Leasehold Scandal - ITV Tonight - New Build Nightmares - 8/6/17

Customer complaints about new build homes are on the rise, with the dream of a perfect property quickly turning into a nightmare for some.
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[@laverdajota8089]

The builders should have been forced by Law to buy the property back and pay compensation to the buyers .

[@adcuz]

Why is quality control the responsibility of the buyer? Shouldn't that be the builder's job?

[@lucacivalentin3909]

Not really...they are selling the house..I like trusting the wolf to guard the sheeps:)

[@eifionstores2460]

HBF is a builder's club, no interest in the home buyer, similarly the NHBC guarantee is not worth the paper it's written on.

[@ericgabay1580]

why will you buy a house without the land it is sitting on...you got to be crazy to do so.

[@markroyds23]

I hear what you're saying but sometimes when leaseholds are like 999 years with 50p ground rent there not normally an issue. Leasehold flats it's a massive issue though as the clauses and the doubling ground rents that come with them are just.... An absolute scam

[@ryanisstuckin93]

​@markroyds23 And God forbid anything happens to the roof. If you didn't read the contract properly all of a sudden you owe 10 grand in service charges. Never buy a flat unless you are absolutely minted and want a fancy penthouse in a swanky area of a city.

[@Tridhos]

Yep that was the key thing for me regarding fleecehold, "England and Wales", Scotland sorted this problem out but its beyond the competence of the UK Parliament to have done likewise. There is no reason for even apartment blocks to be leasehold they should be sold common hold in the case of apartments and leasehold should be outlawed for houses.

[@jonnyharris55]

The"building inspector" needs to be held to account!

[@swineheartdoppleganger5516]

the 'Building Inspector' they sent me when I bought one of my properties was a Contracts Manager for Estate Management he didn't even know what type of flooring was laid down, what 12mm plasterboard was, or what type of wood the woodwork and finishing was from? in the end in was cheap MDF so I took the Property Developer to court won £36,000 which included costs plus £22,000 to make refurbishments to the property included sufficient insulation and fire stopping in the attic.

[@markroyds23]

​@@swineheartdoppleganger5516jesus. I've had dealings with estate and management when I bought a flat.... When I sold it they was an absolute nightmare. Such a scum bag company

[@gerrywhelan7426]

HBF spokesman does usual corporate speak so well. SAD

[@JOYALEXIS]

Personally think IT'S Better To buy a older house with a better structure and renovate it to your liking

[@fermageehamilton1402]

Definitely, unless your a millionaire, a few times more! New homes are piss poor standard, and this crappy standard of build started about 20/ 30 yrs ago.

[@billtime6015]

If someone is trying to sell you a house on Leasehold they`re saying `You buy it but I`ll still own it` A couple of choice words to that one.

[@petepiper7383]

Not all builders are bad. I'm a house builder myself and we take pride and care in the homes we build. I make sure that every new home we build I would be happy and proud to live in myself. I would never entertain selling and retain the freehold, you get the keys and its yours. Please don't tar us all with the same brush. I, myself, would like to see these so called house builders, the national, massive building companies come to an end and disappear as they have no clue how to build a good home.

[@rrankcow9590]

I disagree completely ive never worked on or seen a new build property that wasnt bad.. some should be condemned its the government who is ultimately to blame for these new build companies... jones homes.. david wilson.. barrets.. taylor wimpy.. anwyl.. eccleston and one of the worst.. kia who went bankrupt and changed their name to tilia and was allowed to carry on building and kept all the sites!.. Dont Trust Any of them!

[@petepiper7383]

@@rrankcow9590 Have you actually read what I put in response or just decided to run your mouth off? I have already stated that we take a pride in what we do and we care and my company is not one of the national house builders but you seemed to have missed that. Your following statement "I disagree completely I've never worked on or seen a new build property that wasn't bad" just about says it all. In the first place why are you working for building companies that you know are doing a bad job? You appear to be labelling my company as bad and lumping me in with these terrible national house builders despite not knowing anything about me or my building company. In my opinion you could well be one of these sub contractors that doesn't give a damn and just bangs out the work with no pride or care? You certainly would not be working on any of my sites with that attitude and its little wonder you appear to HAVE TO work on these below standard sites as no decent builder would employ you. If I'm off the mark here then maybe like you I haven't read what you put down correctly.

[@buggiebuild1]

My husband is a roofer here in Florida, he has seen the damage that builders have created, more often than not, it’s the cheap laborers they hire, some of them, not even knowing about insulation ,and these are in Palm Beach homes, Boca Raton, well-off areas, you are truly lucky if you find a phenomenal builder that from A-to-Z is perfection for all the money you had to put in😞 it’s truly hard and heartbreaking

[@alanmccartney3922]

How helpful was the HBF at the end, a total waste of space.

[@JohnSSSSS]

It's pretty funny how they called a car-centric tarmac estate "orchard village", literally the opposite.

[@alienblackgoo_gle]

A new posh housing estate near us was built on farmland. There were skylarks (a species in serious decline) living and nesting on this land. So when they got the bulldozers out, they pushed the birds from their homes, and concreted over the land - they called the estate "Skylarks".

[@yusufpatel2004]

The guy from the BHF is a Snake, he knows what's going on they're making a lot of money on the backs of poor customers. Government inept at sorting out the scandal and the show must go on

[@gabe-po9yi]

BHF isn’t a government entity nor a complaint board. Their major activity is lobbying government officials on behalf of builders. It’s funny to see how nervous he is, though. Talk about squirming in one’s chair, lol.

[@JohnSSSSS]

His answers were all non-committal platitudes.

[@mancunianace8428]

Leasehold is a national disgrace.

[@numbnutone]

My message to any hard working young person in the UK. Try the U.S , Canada or Australia if you want to make a life for yourself. If you are happy to stay with mum and dad then fine. But leave this shit hole and leave these new homes to all the dossers that will get them for free.

[@bar10ml44]

Only illegals get into those countries. Applications from decent people hard to get approved.

[@hannecatton2179]

Uninsulated loft ! What builder with even a modicum of conscience would do that ?

[@scofab]

So... the feudal Lords still demand fealty from the serfs. Somehow I thought England got past that long ago.

[@utilitarian]

Fixing the issue going forward is relatively simple. Housebuilders are mandated to enter a scheme at central government level and each time a development (whole site) is complete, the givernement look at ongoing and current disagreements with snagging and if they are at a serious level then they are suspended from starting on the next development site until rectified.....Housebuilders will change. They are just finding loopholes.

[@tomatobrush3283]

How can they get building houses so wrong? Grading, brick work, insulation, this is basic stuff.

[@BleedingSnow]

@Papa Legba say MAKE JESUS BLACK AGAIN Or it's just to save costs as every Capitalist and financier strives to do?? Pretty sure it's far more likely than deliberately collapsing the housing situation.

[@38dragoon38]

"... And with average prices at a staggering £330,000 pounds..." Is that a mean, median or model average? It really does make a difference and yet we are never told.

[@Ann-bm5qg]

I don’t understand why anyone would buy a leasehold house.

[@SriramKumar-vk2jj]

I am hearing of this senseless 'leasehold' only in UK

[@gabe-po9yi]

I went on HBF’s website and they are not a government entity. It seems their major activity is lobbying government officials on behalf of home builders. They are not the sort of organization that has codes of conduct or certain standards member builders have to meet so, therefore, they are not in the business of handling complaints from homebuyers in any shape, form or fashion.

[@JameyWilsonIII]

Are there not home inspectors in the UK? In the US there are multiple inceptions throughout the building process. You can't sell the house without the final CO.

[@BleedingSnow]

It is not law, but the law holds regulations, but that means it is upto the development firm to follow the standards, so, they don't, in order to stave off "extra" costs that they don;t want to pay for but instead keep in their pockets.

[@Withnail1969]

i thought the buyers had to get surveys done before mortgages get authorised

[@InspiredxxJazzy]

This happens in America too

[@atarbuck3452]

@@InspiredxxJazzy yes it does. ALOT! Although the leasehold situation isn’t common in America. I’ve never heard of it.

[@fnuppyfnup]

My 1970s house is pretty crap (no sound isolation, stairs cracking, hear the neighbour plugging a socket, easily moulds) but the new builds I've seen are sooo much worse.

[@XstaticState69]

Where is the architect and Building Control?

[@mahfuzahmed9133]

That's why always get a professional inspector to check the house and to find any faults... Builders need to do their jobs properly and put good effort into it making sure the house is secure and has no problems then people can move in

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

True. But it's still fucked up that the buyer has to spend a load of money on an inspection. You don't get that money back when the surveyor tells you it's a piece of shit. Imagine doing that on the five or six houses you've looked at. The buyer is therefore spending a couple of grand to be told "don't buy this house"

[@mahfuzahmed9133]

@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere or they should put tests and inspect the house well and then put it up for sale, it's better that way. If there are problems with the house, the builders can come back to fix it.

[@donaldstalker5273]

What if the professional inspector is as bad as the professional companies that built these houses . It happened to my father with a professional inspector , you are delusional . All these new builds are signed off by surveyors anyway , it makes your statement sound rather silly . You are not one of these so called profesionals are you ?

[@rdtheskald]

why do lease holds still exist?

[@TheTopG420]

I blame the government ✌❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@michaelagood9358]

Where are the site managers?

[@nickcoppard5335]

I blame the parents

[@christinedavis5813]

I bought Freehold from Belway and I still at to pay So much twice a year for Maintenance of the ground so that was every House on the estate paid for the Estate Management Maintainance and the council as well, Also the Houses had no plaster only Painted Plaster Board and lots of the studs would Popout I was glad to sell it I will never buy New build again, The Builders Ruined my experience of owning a new build Had four new Builds over the years and they never improved I have yet to meet a good Builder that's the Company and who they Employ once they have your money they do not care and seemed to take delight when They bought me to tears

[@mariahsmom9457]

All of our homes in the states are built fast, poor quality, and all for the profit. I bought an old house just because construction was better better just 40 years ago.

[@Gingerharry2011]

Why on earth if things are so bad, 117 builders visits, would you not just sell and try again! Some people are their own worst enemy

[@YUSKHAN]

Always get a survey on a building before buying

[@heinkle1]

And if it isn’t yet built?

[@YUSKHAN]

@@heinkle1 don't the buildings come with warranties

[@CalebMarti]

Almost fell out my chair at 10.07 time stamp

[@crackedgaming5696]

I’m glad it wasn’t just me who noticed that I almost stopped drinking

[@jenniferhenderson9313]

It's even more laughable for me as I pay maintainence for management of land around my estate which is actually private land owned by the council. I pay council tax too, so I am effectively paying my council twice to mow the grass.

[@tyjakkty8668]

and yet our crappy goverments let it continue

[@marygrace9117]

I don’t understand why and how they were passed the snagging check list. Private individuals like myself are checked can’t get away with anything thing and rightly so. It’s an outrage and a national disgrace. Properties are going up around where I live in the thousands, God help us if they’re all like this. Your better off buying a doer upper.

[@oneeleven9832]

As a site manager on commercial buildings I believe the main problem is the snagging needs to be completed or majority of before the building occupier moves in…it’s so difficult to carry out these works once the occupiers move in…

[@cdub5033]

Building Standards have been slipping for decades. Cheapest low quality materials flung up by the lowest bid sub-contractor. They're all built on the cheap these days.

[@brenninkmeijer1986]

I have just purchased a new home… I will never buy a new build ever again.

[@uhno123no9]

This is exactly like how Ronan point was built, if there’s gas, boom there goes the house and houses next to it, I thought this method would of been stopped, I would rather move into an older house, they have better structure, make it look nice to your taste, exactly like a new build, just better quality.

[@peterkelly6232]

Prefab housing was used after the second world war and people are still having nightmares about those prefab buildings as for new builds if some of the buildings I delivered building material to where I saw cracks in the foundation of the thresholds of the townhouses saw I would not want to buy one at a third of the price which they are selling them at is nearly £400,000 pounds

[@elik1804]

When demand is so high, you don’t have many options!! Need to increase supply of housing so that there is more choose for customers to choose the best!

[@Nine-Signs]

"More new homes than ever are being built!! =D" Reality: Only circa 30,000 more homes are being built than a decade ago, this notion of some mass ramp up of housebuilding is utter bullshit and most people cannot afford the miniscule amounts built anyhow. In 1945, Clement Attlee, was building 140,000 council homes a year along side whatever bullshit private enterprise could supply, and he was able to do that at a time when we have vastly less manpower and materials, vastly less technology, a debt to GDP 3 times the size of todays, and a nation freshly ruined by war. The UK population had a chance to have this again in 2017 and 2019 but 64% of those over 65yrs old who vastly outnumber millennials decided for a nation that we would have more of the same, decline, misery, and shoddy fucking options provided via capitalism and markets allowed to run rampant without any restraint, all due to their own gullibility and general contempt for anyone not themselves. Next on the chopping block will be the NHS, no matter if Tory Sunak wins or Tory Starmer wins, only the ribbon colour will change, not the policies.

[@chrismacleod3947]

Steve Turner is probable taking ... Back Hander's

[@lesliewhicker7409]

Builders these days on developments work in pricework ie price per brick, everything is rushed

[@rachelwilkinson7154]

People should get their own home inspectors to check it out before purchasing.

[@jcs3330]

Leasehold property is not existent in spain and many other places in Europe (You own your property outright).Seems like the UK government have got far too much to loose (Billions ££ per annum to outlaw it). That's why they have even allowed leasehold on houses!. There are companies all over the UK (and offshore) where it is their 'sole' business model on buying-up freeholds of developers 'before it is even built'. It's a business endorsed by the british government - period!. Maybe if the UK would not have ripped-up their EU Membership and thrown it to the wind...they may have had more chance to change the existing law having the EU has a whole force the UK to change a law that was introduced by a UK ruler who kicked the bucket back in the 11th century!. But hey!....patriotism right!. (or is it "having your cake and eating it!).

[@davidlaycock5486]

350 snags on one property is shocking who repaired these stevie wonder

[@DavoInMelbourne]

Great Britain, where nothing works.

[@nickcoppard5335]

Not even the boaties

[@faisalmahmood3420]

That's whys always buy old houses 🏘️ if you can

[@ianspaintpot]

pre fab is nt a thing of the feture it was a thing just after the war. i used to live in paulsgrove portsmouth the whole place was pre fabs to house the bombed out people and they are all going stron and they really do hold there value. lets just call them pre fab. a single house could be put up in as little as 2 days then

[@jordan8168]

i think this is a bigger problem then just developers as local councils would come and inspect and sign off propertys maybe its a case of lobbying developers and then the regulation man comes and gets a backhander to sign it off because he knows the developer no one will openly admit it but the regulations are there for a reason to stop things like this so obviously its not working as the above scenario is one of many that could be happening

[@SA-kt3wt]

I don't understand why the building trade is lacking in skilled workers. On a moral level, I don't know how people can knowingly do a substandard job. If the government were regulating these companies properly, the incentive would be for them to train up builders etc. And why exactly are we giving builders millions in grants to do such a crap job?

[@persona250]

Real simple one . The big house builders wont pay decent money for the good workers so the good workers steer well clear of these sites .

[@peterkelly6232]

I would say if this is the quality of Taylor Wimpey then I would say avoid these as you would hopefully avoid Covid 19 pandemic but apparently Taylor Wimpy is a Pandemic because no matter what part of the county you go this is the type of quality of build you get with Taylor Wimpy

[@stephenhollings1676]

All new homes should go through privat inspector and have a certificate of aproval and the banks sould not release moneys till this is given.All builder are just out for money ,the building trade a just been allowed to put its own price on the job.If this was the food industry some one would go to jail.Long term as the govermment will do shit get an inspector to go over the property as it will save you money and a headaches.

[@oneeleven9832]

The guy who’s flat was that bad he had water running down walls & couldn’t sleep because he thought it was harming his daughter…was offered to be bought out…said he wanted to stay because other things were perfect…sounds like he is exaggerating if he wants to stay 🤷‍♂️

[@nickcoppard5335]

Where was the legal advice ? I would not buy anything lease hold , may as well just rent , I can see the point when buying a flat but not a house , this is a scam , I understood all this at 18 , why are these seemingly professional people buying these things ?

[@kennethatkins9250]

Taking advantage of peoples innocence . Where is their legal advice coming from ? Solicitor bound to spell out details and repercussions of lease ? to client ?

[@gailtomlinson5510]

In stead of taking from the animals build up wards eg flats

[@lucacivalentin3909]

For a 4 bed they pay a painter £ 900..of corse the contractor don t give a f about your home sometimes the painter was a car washer a day before i know cases...u are in big shit...the materials in the homes are as bad as 90% of the contractors...and paying a contractor a little bit more then a labour is not helping

[@Hhggggggguioo-lq8pj]

UK engineering 😂😂😂😂

[@titledprince]

why would you post a big ass sign like that on your house and bring down whole neighbourhood's face value? if you are unhappy with the build, sell it and move on instead of being this stubborn

[@crackedgaming5696]

Yeh it’s that simple just sell and move on 😒

[@lifetruthseeking5808]

@@crackedgaming5696 was that sarcasm?

[@tomatobrush3283]

That house with those issues is worth less than they paid for it.

[@lifetruthseeking5808]

@Freudian Trialogue houses that are built bad and have mold and damp because of how they build is how they get Corona virus

[@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere]

Before posting a nonsense comment, maybe think about the answer to the question you are asking. The obvious answer is she put that sign on her house to hit the developer where it hurts the most - in their wallet. They'll struggle to sell other houses with that sign putting potential buyers off. It's not as simple as your suggestion of just selling up and moving on

[@KeithApp]

I wouldn't buy a new build home, even if somebody kindly paid the deposit for me! I'm seen way too many horror stories.

[@crazy-jake]

A disgrace

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

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