LEAVING ABLETON LIVE for BITWIG???

[@marcelfrehse]

good choice! Bitwig is the future.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I think you might be right!

[@billB101]

If Bitwig is the future then the future is now.

[@juschu85]

You didn't talk about containers. Racks in Ableton are cool, but containers in Bitwig are basically like racks on steroids. • There are layer containers which are like basic racks in Ableton with multiple parallel chains. • There are selector containers to have multiple parallel chains where just one is active at a time. You can also switch with midi notes. So you could play a synth with your keyboard in a live situation and quickly switch to another sound with certain keys or drum pads on your keyboard. • The chain container to quickly add a dry/wet and gain knob to plugins which are missing it (there are more of them than I like). This is possible in Ableton but in Bitwig it's easier. • Containers to have two chains for the left/right or mid/side channel. This is possible in Ableton but in Bitwig it's easier. • Multiband containers to quickly spilt the signal into 2 or 3 parallel frequency Bands. This is possible in Ableton but in Bitwig it's easier. • Transient shaper containers containers to process the transients with other devices than the sustain part of the signal (unfortunately this one adds a lot latency because it uses an FFT). • With a replacer container, you have a gate and every time the gate opens, instead of letting through the signal, it sends a midi note to an instrument you place in that container. I own that plugin (it's awesome and cheap), but just for fun I used this to copy Klevgrand Fosfat just with stock devices in Bitwig. • Every stock instrument is a container. When you place stock effects into the FX chain of a stock instrument, those effects become polyphonic. Even though you see just one chain, internally, you get 6 chains with synced parameters for a synth which is set to 6-voice polyphony. This also gives you a better overview if you save a lot of user presets for you synths. Let's say you make a sound in Ableton that heavily depends on the effects you added after the synth. If you want to save the preset with all those effects, it can only be an Instrument Rack preset but not a preset for Operator, Tension, Wavetable, ... In Bitwig, you just put the effects INTO the synth and hot after it, and then you can save a preset for the synth which also includes those effects. When you later browse through your presets, you can specifically filter for presets for a certain synth, with or without effects included. • Also some stock effects are containers. For example, you can place effects into the feedback chain of the delay and reverb. There's a ring mod effect which has a sine oscillator with a fixed frequency as a modulation source. You can put effects into it's source chain to process that sine wave before ring mod happens or you could even place a whole synth in there to replace that sine oscillator because at that point, devices still receive the MIDI signal (if there is one in that track. Otherwise you can grab it from somewhere else with the Note Receiver or just grab audio from somewhere else with the Audio Receiver.) • and some more

[@lagunajavier]

it's not the same concept.

[@WarrenPostma]

Look, Ableton has its place. But bitwig is just better.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I might agree hahaha

[@rd-cv4vm]

True, but abelton has been around for a while and carries with it a big bag of dirt. There is one thing bitwig could work on, is to bring a fruity like piano roll.

[@vroteg]

Not true. In a nutshell bitwig looks great. But when you start digging deeper you realise most of it is broken. Bounce broker, export audio broken, eq+ broken, they even manage to brake pdc in v5. And if you email them it is broken the answer always one: it is by design. They rarely fulfil user requests and if they finally do it’s way overdue and not required anymore as you use 3rd party plugins. Like happened with MSEGs. They introduce them in 2023. When people been asking for them in 2017. Me personally use plugins with msegs and have no interest to use bitwig own stuff. And by the way the updates focused around devices and almost 0 QOL improvements. But if they do they just give you unfinished or broken feature, tick it off the list and forget about it. This is exactly what happened to quantise audio in v5.1. So I have no idea how bitwig is better. Think about this Ableton made by musicians. Bitwig made by marketing department.

[@austonsmith536]

Everything people are saying bitwig can do that Live can't is all false. There's multiple ways to do all of these things Bitwig can do... in Ableton Live 11. These dudes just don't know Live enough. You can run any DAW in Live as another plugin. Meaning... all these bitwig tricks can be done on Bitwig loaded inside Live. If you are too inept to properly utilize Ableton. How do these masters of Live not know these basic Live procedures? For example, this dude on the youtube thinks you have to flatten a midi track or whatever when that makes zero sense when "resampling" your tracks for premastering midi to audio is a standard procedure? And this dude starts the video saying, "you have to flatten to edit" O_o 😂 Once it's flattened... you can't even edit it! O_o wtf is going on in youtube land these days?

[@austonsmith536]

RANDOMIZATION- Ableton Live has multiple ways to randomize midi and audio simultaneously, for example follow action or converting any track via transients to a separate drum rack or midi instrument and click "rand" on the side of said midi rack. Plenty of sequencers with random toggles. How is that a reason Bitwig is better than Live when everything can be randomized with a click of a button? To create new progressions on any instrument I use descending 12ths chord arpeggiator, right? The way it functions is randomizing the midi instrument and you simply toggle speed, steps, timing of the randomization. This is the easiest way to create a bassline out of a midi drum beat and it's 2 seconds depending how fast you click it. How much are these youtubers making to pull all this bullshit out of the air thinking us watching are complete doorknobs that can't find the randomize button? O_o

[@cybergwen]

I switched from Ableton Live to Bitwig, too - in December 2020, back when Bitwig already had MPE for a while and Live still didn't. Haven't regretted it, in fact, I never upgraded my Live 10 Suite to Live 11 after that. The reasons in your video were the exact same reasons for me too.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

For sure

[@AdamElteto]

I think the best thing going for Bitwig is that is not just yet another DAW, but a creative tool as a whole. You can record, mix and use VST with any DAW, but DAWs that come with their own set of creative tools are an instrument themselves. With that said, Ableton also is a suite that is a massive creative tool. Then you get Max, of course, and Ableton also simply has more resources, articles, tutorials and videos, with a bigger community. That cannot be dismissed easily. Nothing wrong with using multiple DAWs.

[@vroteg]

Yep. It’s not a daw at all. It’s and instrument with basic daw functionality. Not a DAW with instrument functionality. I prefer to use daw to be honest. Unfortunately bitwig isn’t.

[@absyntho73]

I went to Bitwig 1 month ago because I had really serious CPU issues since I've update to Suite 11...I've been using Ableton since version 4 and I still love it (back to 10), but Bitwig is my top DAW now, period.

[@JamieR]

What's so great imo is how easy the transition is since Bitwig is so similar to Live. Besides bringing so many innovative features which Live later added. Also, having bounce in place is awsome. I always duplicated my bounce tracks, grouped all plugins and then disabled everything + muted the track. That way I'd have the original if I needed to revert back, but it makes each project end up pretty massive with all the disabled tracks. Especially if it's already 120+ tracks. The auto disabling of current crashed plugin in Bitwig is amazing. In Ableton I constantly had to save new version of my projects. By the end of a full track I'd have over 30-40 track files with 1.0, 1.1, 1.1.1, 1.4, etc. Works but time wasted. Bitwig just does everything Ableton does, better. The only place I'd use Ableton over Bitwig would be for gigging. At that front APC40 + Live is pretty solid and it served me well while I was playing records.

[@dizzler-beats]

Great vid, im thinking of switching aswell. Only time will tell !

[@TheCosmicTeapot]

If you're considering Bitwig, Splice offers it on a 3 year rent-to-own plan. Bitwig is a bit pricey upfront so rent-to-own was a life saver.

[@ThePhrenik]

That’s how I got it too. Total lifesaver

[@frallorfrallor3410]

127 usd remaining :)

[@markushavers2283]

You will see...You will love Bitwig even more if you got warm with "The Grid", "Note-Grid" and "FX-Grid". No other DAW is so flexible, intuitive and deep at the same time.

[@heftexperience]

Most importantly, Bitwig also allows Audio Slip Editing like Logic, Pro Tools. This save me so much time to edit drums or vocals or anything in audio format. That's why I am never going back to Ableton, haha.

[@KinkyReeferProject]

What is Audio Slip editing?

[@AcousticBruce]

Bitwig clearly has more than just developers hacking away at code. They actually architect and plan for modular code.

[@Darwinist]

Also IMO. the best UI designers in the game. The use of iconography and visual aids to help you understand what is going on in Bitwig is on a whole other level.

[@ELEKTROGOWK]

The first reason why I changed from Ableton to Bitwig is the better synchronization to my external gear. Even the Ableton Link sync to my iPad is in Bitwig better. That's a shame. It should better be called Bitwig Link 🤣🤣

[@austonsmith536]

For Ableton hanging... all you do is run it, dont click "ok" on the error. Ignore the frozen Ableton Live and simply run a new live session. It can recover your work before it "abnormally shut off".

[@AcousticBruce]

You have good authentic energy.

[@The_Answer_Is_Within]

Wow.. those are really good reasons to switch. I also recall Ableton being quite unstable.

[@FurkanTopal]

Really it is. Crashes often.

[@Vingul]

Used Ableton for a month, not one crash.

[@axelmaldini4218]

The fact that you can create complex sounds within the instrument 'Layer' and then automate them directly into the recording by just moving knobs and turning buttons on and off and it all gets recorded is monumental [ it works amazingly with the Macro buttons in Avenger VPS, it's actually the only DAW where you can do it efficiently ]. In FL Studio 21 you can create a sound from the Patcher and then you have to create knobs for each input and then you can automate them in the sequencer, prehistoric. BITWIG IS THE NEW SHIT! THE BEST OF THEM ALL SO FAR!

[@vito6707]

The audio editing is like a game changer for making vocal chops :0

[@mattipesola972]

Would love a series of rock production in Bitwig!!! 🎉❤

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I’m going to make some videos about it for sure!

[@mykemuyska8683]

@@JulianGrimmMusic mee too

[@gaoeykreg]

I'm a longtime Logic Pro user. Since the recent release of the iPad version which is subscription only, rumours/predictions about the macOS version going the same way keep cropping up. If Logic Pro goes completely subscription-based, I'm out. So in preparation, I've been researching alternatives and up to now it's between Ableton Live, Cubase and Bitwig. Time will tell.

[@panamatsu5958]

I'm totally agree, last point is the most important to me, even you have a progress bar while project is loading, and it never freezes! In Ableton you don't know if a big project it is gonna load or it will stay loading forever... That sachiel and EoE poster😍😍

[@sugarskulldigital7769]

I'm transitioning over to Bigwig from Ableton due to instability.

[@trollingisasport]

I'm potentially leaving FL for Bitwig. For mixing, it's so quick to dial in sounds and automation. The only thing that FL Studio has over it is the piano roll. I really hate how most daws handle midi input. It's so slow.

[@juschu85]

The MIDI signal flow in MIDI tracks also is very interesting in Bitwig and can be used in a creative way. In Ableton, at any certain point in between devices, you either only have a MIDI signal (in front of instruments) or an audio signal (after instruments or in audio tracks). In Bitwig, you can have a MIDI (yellow square at the top in between devices) and audio signal (small level meter at the bottom in between devices) at the same point. So in the signal flow after the instrument, the MIDI information is not discarded. At first, you might think "why would this be useful?". But Bitwig has these modulators you can put on any devices, even VSTs. Those can be basic modulators like LFOs or envelopes but also more complex stuff. And those modulators might need that MIDI signal. This also means it can make sense to place Note FX like an arpeggiator AFTER the instrument. So the notes are processed for the modulators on the effects but not for the instrument. This also breaks Ableton's rule that you can only place certain devices at certain points in the signal flow. For example, you can place an audio effect before an instrument, which isn't possible in Ableton. That wouldn't make any sense, but it also won't break anything because an audio effect is just passing through MIDI information unchanged. You could also place an instrument in series after another instrument. The second instrument won't pass through any audio from the first one (as long as it's active) but this can be used to quickly try another instrument without deleting the other one or setting up a layer.

[@bitbotrecords]

cool video thanks will have a look at bitwig

[@braynz4796]

Been using ableton live since v8 and remembered when bitwig first came out. It was supposed to be the answer to ableton live and all of its problems, but it was never just right. I went back to it to check up on it over the years and realized that it just wasnt ready for me yet. I couldnt get a good grasp on it and it was so much easier for me to make music in Live. However, on this lastest release of v5.0 of bitwig, I decided after watching this video to check it out again and DAMN. I was blown away. Most of the limitations and issues I have been running into in Live recently seemed to have been addressed by bitwig. I actually am loving how easy Bitwig is to use now and how well thought out most of the UX is. I have spent 24 hours with it and I am really starting to think now is the time to make the switch. Damn this is hard, but after so many years of using ableton live, I think its finally time I am going to move over to bitwig. At least with bitwig I know that they wont take years to release new versions and that they actually listen to the feedback of their users. One MASSIVE thing I am missing though is the midi capture button ableton live has. I like being able to just be jamming and messing around without recording, hit the midi capture button, and then be able to bring up all of the jamming I just did without recording. Bitwig needs this! Anyways, just wondering @Julian, why not just completely switch over to bitwig bro?

[@paulbradshawguitar]

did it last year after trying out bitwig for a a few weeks, for the overview/workflow/modulators/stability/customisability in shortcuts/speed initially that suited me much better, and the 4.0 update with operators/midi devices and more cemented that choice even further , it just keeps getting better as well

[@siv6292]

you're the only youtuber that focus really on rock, ive been searching and most of them are for beat creation, man you really help me push this DAW experience, I really hope you could have the time to create bitwig punk rock tutorial just like what you did on ableton if you have the time and if possible. thanks man.

[@DaKingof]

That option doesn't disable the plugin. It makes sure to load the plugin seperate from all other plugins, incase you have 'mixing' plugins or something that can talk to each other, that need to be in the same environent. You can still have it to where those plugins can see each other but the naughty plugins will always load in their own container so they don't crash anything else.

[@billB101]

I did it 6 months ago as a temporary measure and always meant to use both DAWS, but I haven't opened Ableton in months. I now absolutely love Bitwig it's just so powerful as a DAW ( and I say this as someone who used hardware, then Notator and Cubase on Atari ST, then Opcode vision and Logic Pro and then Ableton so I've had my run of music programs ) I mean seriously, it may look like you're working on a Lego brick aesthetically, but under the hood it's the absolute cats nuts.

[@jesseward3121]

I actually really like the look haha. Everything else feels like I'm using ms dos or making a spread sheet haha.

[@Submersed24]

Honestly the look is kinda nice now. The text is nice and big, especially on a 4k oled monitor

[@zakur0hako]

Bitwig has been getting a lot of traction recently. It's awesome

[@mykemuyska8683]

about time people do the switch

[@alaukikdj]

Hey.. in ableton plugin view.. can be happened by a code .. in mixer.. samilar to bitwig.. i have seen a video.. but it happens in 10 version only.. after then i dnt knw

[@mykemuyska8683]

i'm actually very happy i found you cause i'm also interested in this content ,,,, got another subscriber

[@HarryAdee]

I remember when I first saw Bitwig. That little, humble DAW, almost like Audacity, people never talk about, me even. I've used almost any DAW, then when I came back to see Bitwig, I was surprised to see how it evolve. I love how it has everything that other don't have. The reason I chose this DAW now.

[@austonsmith536]

For Hybrid tracks... in Ableton Live, simply route the midi into an audio track... you could easily resample it into an audio conversion if you wanted to edit. Don't flatten, just resample. Then disarm midi for later.

[@austonsmith536]

Resampling is how you premaster everything anyways. [Every audio track has a "resampling" toggle under ext in]

[@iso_brown]

Bitwig user I am and I now follow you because of this video

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Thanks man!

[@DaKingof]

Samsies sir.

[@dnalyen]

Bitwig is superior and I can’t tell you how awesome it is on a 65” screen with triple display

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Envious of that setup!

[@Makebelieve123]

Great video...I've only ever had Logic Pro since Noah's Ark days...and been thinking of changing to Ableton, but recently I thought about Bitwig, and what got me thinking was, if you have to re learn a new DAW in 2024 which would it be Ableton or Bitwig ? Reason i first thought Ableton was because its evolved over so many years, but in a short time Bitwig is super competitive. I do like Max for live though, would be cool if Bitwig had that too. Any suggestions on which daw i should go for? I have a lot of analogue gear but want to spent some time in the box again

[@peoplelikefrank]

Logic user here too, I’m also thinking about getting bitwig. From my understanding The Grid in bitwig is the equivalent to Max for Live.

[@adidasGuy74]

What is the plug-in in hybrid tracks section with bass sound?

[@adidasGuy74]

Figured it out - UADX Opal Morphing Synth

[@alex-esc]

Oh ableton! There's so much it gets right but I've come to the conclusion that at the end of the day Live is best as a creative tool and editing and mixing is waaay better in other software.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

That’s usually true

[@HowYouMove]

I have a MacBook Pro & I’m getting my Akai MPC One Sampler this week & I have one question I know that I will be able to use a free DAW like Ableton Live Lite my question is if I was to tryout BitWig with some free VSTs like Spitefire Labs, Addictive Keys 🎹, Dexed FM, Keystone Classics , (The Heart) that has good Harp sounds is there a way that I can sample or transfer the sounds from any VST from a DAW to blend in with the MPC drums in full song sequence? Because I also have a Roland JV-1080 with 4 expansion boards (Session)(Dance) (Orchestral) & the (Keyboards of the 60s & 70s)

[@timschannel247]

There we go Stability!! Thanks very good contribution!!!! Very very good! As far as I know, the BITWIG Guys went out of Ableton Group, as they were already trying while working at Ableton, but those guys did not wanted that, thats the Reason why Bitwig exists at all, as those guys leaved Ableton to found that company... lol

[@Darwinist]

I´m no expert in the mythology of exactly what went down when the core Bitwig coders left Ableton, but I suspect they wanted to implement root-and-branch changes to the audio engine that would make it more capable for the future...but would have meant no backward compatibility with projects from earlier versions, which is always dangerous for companies to do.

[@soundfx68]

I've been in many 'relationships' I'm now married to Bitwig.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Hahahah it’s a good partner for sure!

[@albert-stefanstancu4634]

Have you heard about FL Studio?

[@juschu85]

I think the most important thing about audio editing in Bitwig really is that you have audio events in audio clips. Those are basically some kind of sub clips inside of clips (which you call containers here (which you shouldn't, because containers are a completely awesome thing in Bitwig on its own)) which can but not necessarily have to come from the same audio file. That also means comping can be on the clip level. So you can also have comped clips in the session view/clip launcher without bouncing them. In Ableton, you would have to bounce comped clips before you can drag&drop them into the session view. That's destructive editing and you can't go back to change something. You can also record something in the session view/clip launcher and comp it there without switchg to the arrangement. You have to do that in Ableton. And like you showed here, you can do some wild editing and do it all in one contained clip you can drag around and launch like a normal clip. Because it IS just a normal clip.

[@Submersed24]

I have no idea what clip launcher even does still lol.

[@HumanBeingWithFeelings]

I'm almost convinced of switching from ableton to bitwig. I'm wondering, If I don't care about sample packs and stock plugins (fx and instruments) is it worth the studio version or I should be fine with the producer version? The difference in price is twice as much $200 vs $400 and I think the only relevant difference for me would be the grid, but is it worth $200?...

[@casadasmelodias3379]

That IS why i Switched from Ableton to Studio ONE

[@atetraxx]

Worth it. Don't look back.

[@nachoci6876]

Also the MIDI operators and MIDI expressions are super cool ...

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

For sure!

[@DrewShreveDrums]

How does it do with latency compared to Ableton for live use? I use Ableton to control VSTs from my Roland kit or drum triggers and sometimes have multiple midi devices running. Interested in some of these Bitwig capabilities!

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I haven’t tried yet. But will soon!

[@DaKingof]

Bitwigs latency compensation is rock solid. Abletons has been broken for as long as I can remember.

[@rd-cv4vm]

You can try bitwig full for 30 days, give it a shot, maybe you ll love it

[@mølekule-l3d]

Welcome to Bitwig brother :)

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Hahah thanks man!

[@Al-lx7bh]

Ohhh I've been tempted by Bitwig! A reverse video (Ableton VS Bitwig) would be cool 😉

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Noted!

[@williamshaneblyth]

I don't think it's one against another. They are tools... I like that Bitwig can import Ableton projects even tries to substitute plugins does surprisingly well

[@Al-lx7bh]

@@williamshaneblyth I'm glad Bitwig is useful to you. It's a great DAW cousin of Ableton really very interesting. However, I think it would be interesting to know those Ableton virtues that Bitwig lacks. Just for fun! We don't want DAW's wars of course 😉

[@rez9159]

For the buggy plugin problem preventing too loading the session properly, there is a solution even if it's totally pain in the ass. First check the crash log Ableton creates after every crash, maybe you finde a hint there. Drag all the VSTs out of its folder, check if the session is loading, when it's loading drag the vst back in bunches beginning with the ones that you thinking could cause the problem and try to load the session again. Do this ass long until you isolated the troublemaker. Save the session again with all plugins except the troublemaker. Its time consuming but it is working, most of time my NI plugins made problems. Another approach: Open a clean session and drag the tracks from the session that can't load properly into the session until you found the track that causes the problem. This works only if its not a plugin on the master track itself causing the problem.

[@micha_ncl]

You've just discovered a tiny part of the tip of the iceberg... There's so much more to discover! :-)

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I’ve been discovering so much! Too much for just one video hahah!

[@MrPoppunk182]

I'd sign up for a "Synth for Rock Musicians" video in a heartbeat!

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Maybe I’ll do a whole series

[@GJP1105]

I'd LOVE that too!!

[@Submersed24]

I need bitwig to add a scales helper lol. I know it’s newb stuff but it makes life so much easier especially since it’s kinda annoying to constantly check to see which key you are inserting to.

[@spenzakwsx4430]

great video. bounce in place for midi (when midi tools used) would be great as well

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

For sure

[@jesseward3121]

So I've used bitwig since 1.0...I had no idea that ableton couldn't do most of these things. I always use the containers to reverse little sections and chop. How else could you even do this? The only thing I wish wig had that ableton has is 'convert to midi'. Sometimes I'll have a cool sample that could use another layer, but I have to write it from scratch, shame.

[@SvetoslavAtanasov]

Yes, man!! The deeper one goes into Bitwig, you don't look back. There are so many different approaches for different workflows that just that is enough. Let alone all the things you mentioned in your video!!

[@blendermind]

Reaper has super-hybrid- tracks (midi, audio, text, video)

[@eky]

I agree Bitwig is the next level But for me this is sad but true: look and feel of a program influences a lot what I do with it Bitwig feels SO DOOMER, i wish the font, buttons and icons were customizable There's just something about the design language of Ableton that feels blank and open for creativity while Bitwig screams INDUSTRIAL GERMAN TRANCE TECHNO 😭

[@x-iso]

Stability and project safety was truly breaking point for me to ditch Ableton entirely, even though I've used it for over 10 years prior. I just don't want this crap to happen to me anymore. I always tried different things, but Ableton was my main DAW for longest time until I just figured it gets in my way awful lot too often for what I'm trying to do (and that is generative stuff with modulations that can modulate other modulations, etc, which seems to put Live on edge of crashing). I think the only selling point Ableton still has is M4L, especially if you managed to overcome the learning curve to build stuff yourself. but then again, if you know max/msp, might as well use standalone and bridge it to the different DAW or use PlugData, which has a lot of stuff in common with max/msp.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

I couldn’t agree more!

[@KnzoVortex]

Have you heard about RNBO? It seems basically like it’s max as a 3rd party VST.

[@x-iso]

@@KnzoVortexit's not exactly like PlugData, you use it to export stuff as plugin or code for variety of target applications, while PlugData is basically PureData running as VST with live patching capability. with RNBO you have to buy it in addition to max/msp.

[@KnzoVortex]

@@x-iso Hmm, interesting. That is a bit unfortunate you have to buy Max and then RNBO, dang, and for $700 too...

[@x-iso]

@@KnzoVortex yeah, and you'd think it might make sense if you're planning on putting it to work and make some money from all the possible project applications, but you have to read the license very carefully.

[@gabrielfernandopassos7693]

I have recognized your accent hahaha Then I confirmed it accessing your channel's about section. Best Regards from Brazil!!!

[@Artek604]

If you want to have your mind blown, then hit F1 whenever you have any Bitwig native device, modulator or Grid module selected :) Also in Mix view, you might find it useful to disable clips and instead see big meters - you can do that in bottom-right corner :)

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

For sure! I do both all the time!

[@williamshaneblyth]

Absolutely gold

[@okoiful]

Modulators, hybrid tracks, bounce in place, the grid, operators, what took you so long...

[@michail_777]

When I need to know something urgently about Bitwig (how this or that instrument works), I turn on the first Bitwig video and they tell me exactly what I need. And of course Bitwig is the best DAW to date.

[@KYTHERAOfficial]

Yeah Bitwig is cool, but no visible gridlines behind clips - makes it unusable to me. I wish to switch as well, but without visible grids? How am I supposed to be arranging anything precise and detailed there when Im blind???

[@sebbosebbo9794]

I send this to Ableton....

[@sounds-r-foundproductionz2588]

A solution to your stability issues in Ableton: Freeze every track before doing a "Collect all and save". It keeps the tracks at their present state, but plugins are disabled on launch of application. I also have just started a dive into Bitwig, and understand the similarities, but I've been using Ableton for so long, I have yet to find a "major" difference between the two.

[@m.e.e.o2855]

I just say... Bounce In Place :)

[@ThePhrenik]

Bitwig is Ableton on steroids. The only thing I miss from Ableton is the scale fold function for midi when drawing in chords/melodies.

[@enoodle]

try drawing the notes of your scale outside the clip boundaries, then switch to drum editor (square grid button above the piano notes) and you'll only have notes from your scale

[@PylonRecordsdotcom]

Bitwig has lot of similarities with Cubase, been using Cubase for decades the stability of the audio and the sound is amazing, never liked Abelton, that entire warping and just the way the audio engine is and that horrible mixer feels like and performs like a toy. Bitwig is fresh, it is not legacy DAW, it is fast, nothing hangs and it will get better, its made in Berlin, we can not expect anything less. We need more videos of how people work in Bitwig that will help more people to use the DAW, it is the best new DAW in decades.

[@ClaudeYoung]

Great Video!!!

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Thanks so much!

[@griffithe2438]

Bitwig is my first DAW I have ever tried out. I'm not a musician at all and to make it short, I like it. I could create some cool sounds in 10 minutes after installing it for the first time. I have also do not have that amount of time to try all of them out. I've installed it, tried it out, I like it, I keep it. 🙂

[@analogsynthtim8823]

Bitwig is Great but I‘m back in Ableton after the amazing V12. Also own the Push 3 standalone and love ist. The combination is fantastic. I really like Bitwig and use it sometimes but I really feel more „at Home“ in Ableton

[@floatinganarchychannel3204]

Ableton! :]

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Hahaha!

[@rexeffect7122]

Bigwig isn’t for everyone, it mostly for experimental music or sound design. I just like pre made presets yet I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel, too much time wasted. Just interested in making music with a intuitive DAW such as Logic Pro x.

[@xcreenplay7264]

As a long time ableton user bitwig is quite special but I always get home sick when not using live but when version 5 of bitwig comes out I might that my second go to DAW

[@sternenherz]

I ll make a video soon about why i cant change to Bitwig, and why i would LOVE to (little Spoiler: there are some very basic things still missing for my personal workflow) EDIT: 1 Year later, i fully switched to Bitwig ;) Even built a Looper for it, cause it didnt have one yet.

[@sternenherz]

Finished it :) here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX2npJupfdJ_j9E

[@aditivienna2194]

Use it since Version 1 and left ableton over the years completely. I don't Look back often cause every version of bitwig brought cool new Things.

[@rano12321]

I recently got Bitwig just for the cool modular stuff and been enjoying it but maybe I'm tripping but everything you talked about in this video, Reaper already does better than both of them, of course it's not anywhere close for the modulation stuff which is why I just got Bitwig lol but my main DAW has been Reaper for sometime and it does everything you talked about in this video and does more.

[@FlashRayLaser]

Bigwig's solution is better but it's not accurate to say that Ableton doesn't address projects crashing or lagging on startup; it has two safe modes. Holding down ALT while opening a project temporarily disables plugins so it'll load and you can find the problem VST. Doing the same with SHIFT pulls up the project with the default layout. I've never had a layout-related crash but apparently it's possible so they addressed it.

[@nixc1972]

Can you please repeat that? I was sucked into that cat waving at me and didn’t hear you.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

The cat is more relevant to be fair.

[@morizanova]

Oh man .. those crashes in front of client also happen to me.. luckily they give me more days to rebuild the song😂

[@SykeThrone]

help spreading here:)

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Yeaaahhhh!

[@ItsWesSmithYo]

Best part about the bitwig fam is you only see them talking about leaving ableton, and after, you see very little publishing content to grow the bitwig community like the ableton community…the magic of ableton is the community…all good baby 😂🖤😎🐓

[@kpibaras]

i can do all that in ableton 😮.. if you freeze the track and hit ctrl and drag you can have an audio file and the midi to edit with low cpu

[@dr.gregoryf.maassen2637]

Bitwig is certainly much easier to comprehend than Ableton. I have both as I started working with Live, but have basically switched to Bitwig recently. Ableton keeps on crashing, its interface is antiquated and it is very difficult to understand. Now, Bitwig is still not perfect. It has no MIDI capture and video track for scoring. I also have not found an option to convert audio into MIDI. I am sure these functions will be available in the future.

[@neonvoid]

if you are not using the session view and/or not using a push2, then it's not a dealbreaker for you to leave.

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

Push 2 works with Bitwig.

[@neonvoid]

@@JulianGrimmMusic absolutely, i used with it, its just obviously not as seamless than a native implementation with ableton. i do like the isolated plugin system though, so its not the whole system crashing down during a live show, only a single plugin. i hope ableton will integrate that too at some point. btw "bespoke synth" also works with push2, another interesting concept.

[@allancerf9038]

I'm switiching - well, I'm getting a lesson on Bitwig in a week because of bugs in Ableton - the only reason. No other features however better implemented in Bitwig, are worth switching DAWs particuarly as Bitwig is comprised of former Ableton coders who switched companies. We're talking VERY similar. That said Julian Grimm - while I certainly liked your video and MY bugs in live are serious... They're serious but yours are monumentally serious! I have NEVER, ever, lost a set as you describe - cannot open a set and you have to simply write off a client piece (like you I'm a professional). Even though Live Support has declined to a mere shell of what it used to be, I feel 101% certain that if you told them you can't open a set for a client, they'd help you. Anyway, all the best and wish me luck as I transfer apparently (depends on how the lesson goes) over to Bitwig.

[@juschu85]

Bitwig modulators are also awesome. Ableton's Wavetable has 3 envelopes and 2 LFOs. You need more? Bad luck. Not possible. At least not without Max For Live, but those wouldn't be polyphonic. At first, I was confused that Bitwig's FM synth has just one envelope for overall volume, but not a single one to just modulate the volume of operators just used as FM source. That's essential for FM synthesis. But that's just not necessary in Bitwig. With the deeply integrated modulator system, you can just add as many envelopes and LFOs as you want. And as long as you place them on a polyphonic stock instrument, they are also polyphonic. I think with the new Clap plugin format (competitor to VST) they can also be polyphonic with third-party plugins. And besides envelopes and LFOs, there are also a lot of other modulators.

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

I would say I left Reason for Ableton, but I dont think thats fair. Really, Reason left me and decided it would rather be a VST than a DAW, which is ironic considering that I suffered years of Reason's idiotic choice to refuse to implement VST functionality.

[@rd-cv4vm]

Stability….my bitwig has been on since 2 weeks on my mac air m1, with multiple sessions opened….i have yet to see any crash

[@carlesmora8351]

Uaauuu... I never heart about this daw... 😮

[@JulianGrimmMusic]

It’s pretty cool!

[@nomad1517]

I have literally went through hundreds of reddit posts of Lives stability. Since version 9 it's been a uphill struggle. Most likely due to tge fact some of the devs left Ableton in 2009 to start Bitwig, launching in 2014. But holy moly, just countless issues and people still support it even though nothing is really getting handled. They released the push 3 instead of working on crash protection. And even push 3 has had a lot of issues. One channel that focuses on Ableton for live performances said the reason so many pros use Ableton is because of its stability. If thats true, why are there so many fucking videos on how to fix crashes? I feel like I'm missing something here, or im taking crazy pills. Its sad. Because i saw Ableton as a German icon. But apparently thats not the case as it used to be.

[@timschannel247]

By the way in Ableton nobody stops you from just duplicate the channel and do the same... question is if it really needs more cpu that way..

[@prodbytony2k]

The solution to bring back that crashing Ableton Live session with vst causing that problem are backup files. That's the only way you can save your work when that shit happens. So yeah, they must add solutions for that kind of problems in Live 12 cause that's kinda embarrassing 🙄

[@SenfSenferson]

I am addicted to the GRID... what should i do? Last 3 Days i propably spent 30 Hours in it o.O Jokes aside best DAW for creative electronic Music!

[@mesfigas]

pk lets like this video.......