Leaving My Land - Zoning Violations

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Grumpy Toad Creations

Grumpy Toad Creations

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@bryanbradford2742
@bryanbradford2742 Жыл бұрын
Shame on the people who did this to you!! It sure would be satisfying to go to their houses and make a list of all the zoning violations on their properties and then submit that list so they have to go through what you're going through😁
@corymiller3219
@corymiller3219 Жыл бұрын
Regulations will ultimately kill the spirit that made this once great country thrive. Don't let these poor practices get you down. Instead, I would recommend someone like you build a strategic plan to run for local government. Be part of the solution to fix this situation for future generations. We need more of US in policy making positions.
@Bushman9
@Bushman9 Жыл бұрын
That was entertaining! The most crucial part of taking on projects like this, is having the self-confidence to know you can solve the problems as they arise. Like, switching to the persuader (aka sledgehammer) or using tung oil to lube a big rod. 🤣
@smeefamily54
@smeefamily54 9 ай бұрын
Years ago when I was going thriugh Architecture class our teacher told us "make sure that the house you are designing and going to build for the client actually goes on their property". Many times houses are built on the wrong property. That is a lesson I have carried all through my career.
@L46C3
@L46C3 Жыл бұрын
This is a valuable lesson for a future homesteader.. DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE PROPERTY UNTIL!!! Make sure you do you homework. Investigate all of the town/states regulations before purchasing your off grid or even on grid property. Make sue you can perform all of the present and especially future tasks/plans you have for structures and land. Best wishes my friend.
@avishnevsky7394
@avishnevsky7394 Жыл бұрын
It is heartbreaking to see amount of your own work need to undo. Regards form Ukraine! Hope that you will do something even better
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I don't let it get me down. If I did it once, I can do it again! I appreciate your suppprt.
@grifonks
@grifonks Жыл бұрын
Bless you brother, Michigan has changed so much
@denisewilson8367
@denisewilson8367 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Where I'm living you are not allowed to live, and especially off grid. Which is how I'm living. They gave me 24 hours to remove my animals & their "evidence of existance," i.e. fencing, feeding managers, water troughs, etc. And they harass me often about my truck & motorhome. I'm glad you were able to move your stuff. And that you had another property to move it to. I don't, so I'm doing what I can do.
@larry_ellison
@larry_ellison Жыл бұрын
​@@denisewilson8367forcing commerce because if we can sustain ourselves we are not easy to control.
@lorenmeyer5290
@lorenmeyer5290 Жыл бұрын
It all sucks but you did an AWESOME job moving and cleaning up!
@toddwheeler1526
@toddwheeler1526 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work. Safe, sound, practical and efficient. You are a rare breed. Fantastic example of how to get through the challenges. Best regards sir.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate the support.
@brucemanning388
@brucemanning388 Жыл бұрын
Just being cool headed will take you where you want to go
@sportflyer
@sportflyer Жыл бұрын
It's a good job you video-d pushing the shed onto the trailer because I would NOT have believed you did that. Outstanding!
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
It was nerve-racking for sure, I didn't know if it was gonna work until it was done!
@mst5632
@mst5632 Жыл бұрын
Hell of a video. Bitter sweet. Sorry you had to go through all that. Physically, mentally & emotionally. Life will keep you blessed & safe, and pay that local inspector back in karma. It has a funny way of doing that. Thank you for sharing.
@jameschandler2776
@jameschandler2776 Жыл бұрын
I hate places that try to control what you do on your property. We live in a vacation area but we have no restrictions on what we can do on our property. Someone always wants to cause you problems. You had such a lovely camp there, with nice buildings and a beautiful getaway. It is a shame to have to demolish that concrete room. It looked like a lot of frustrating work, especially since it was unnecessary. Sorry you have to deal with stupid people.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
It is a bummer, but I won't let it keep me down. I built a lot of nice things there, but I'll build nicer things on the next property. I had 5 seasons of work and camping there, and I enjoyed my time.
@KayPilger
@KayPilger 10 ай бұрын
So sorry you had to do all that work but you did a great job. Good luck in your new place. I just found you today but will try to follow up. 👍
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations 10 ай бұрын
It was a bummer, but It's probably for the best. My other property has far less restrictions. Thanks for watching.
@robinsouth8555
@robinsouth8555 Жыл бұрын
You did an excellent job. Sorry, they are putting you through all this. When I moved my shed (12×16), my dad brought over 2 uniloaders, one on ea side raised it up and backed the trailer under it. I felt like the director as they couldn't see through it, and I was in charge of keeping them level. The shed company wanted an arm and a leg to move it 1 mi. Glad I found your channel.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks, a shed seems small until you have to figure out how to move it! I'm glad you found the channel too.
@L46C3
@L46C3 Жыл бұрын
The drill template - Great idea! As you were describing the 1" through rod I said to myself "the holes better be oversized or pretty close to bore line". HaHa
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I wanted a friction fit and I got it! The template was my only thought for consistent holes, and it saved a lot of measuring. Thanks for watching.
@Joe-oi6eh
@Joe-oi6eh 11 ай бұрын
Bro this series needs to be seen by the wholeee country! I hate what's happening to you but way to spot light the lunacy we have allowed to rule us, time to just say no and go!! God bless you grumpy toad!
@nigelgrant9693
@nigelgrant9693 Жыл бұрын
😊😂🎉glad you got some help and yóu got it done smoothly wishing you the best in your endevers
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
@davidgagnon2849
@davidgagnon2849 Жыл бұрын
This is just downright sad. I feel for you.
@malcolmsadventuresinnorthe5958
@malcolmsadventuresinnorthe5958 Жыл бұрын
I believe this all comes from the Michigan Township association. They all want to be Bloomfield Hills. Everyone wants to control what their neighbor does. Outside of safety considerations their concerns should end at their property line.
@jimmurphy4083
@jimmurphy4083 Жыл бұрын
Great job, well done, keep pushing forward.
@mcporter03
@mcporter03 Жыл бұрын
You might want to see life with Josh and Sarah ( shed happens). He is a repo man for barns and sheds. When you said 1000 Amish, he is one with a ewsume
@paulineking-wood3882
@paulineking-wood3882 Жыл бұрын
I love initiative and you showed you have plenty of it. Hats off to you.
@robertgonzalez8419
@robertgonzalez8419 Жыл бұрын
God bless stay in courage the world we live in has definitely changed for the worse continue to make the best of things and trust in the Lord I believe that the favor of God is better than the resources of men
@rsinfelt1
@rsinfelt1 Жыл бұрын
Best of Luck Dude......so sorry you had to do that.
@Vandilbg
@Vandilbg Жыл бұрын
Sort of similar restrictions on my F1 forest land. I petitioned to have 1 acre rezoned to R1-Recreational. Had to go through the county zoning committee, public town hearing, neighbor opinion letters, and finally the county zoning board. Took almost a year.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
That sounds like quite a hassle. I give you credit for going through the effort. I think I'll just cut my losses on this one.
@Vandilbg
@Vandilbg Жыл бұрын
Can't fault it, got your violations fixed, still got the mystery shitty neighbor.
@clydeyokoi9347
@clydeyokoi9347 Жыл бұрын
Very creative problem solving. Beautiful craftsmanship on all of your projects. First time viewer here. Dirt contractors for the win 😂
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
Thanks! If I can move the earth, I can move a shed 😄
@JeffPutchinski
@JeffPutchinski 10 ай бұрын
Turned my stomach to see you dismantle all your hard work.........Hope council members reap what they sowed.....
@tommyb.7977
@tommyb.7977 Жыл бұрын
It's a Shame that this even had to be changed after seeing how Beautiful you had it looking. Zoning in my opinion can be a joke.
@jeremygourde9880
@jeremygourde9880 Жыл бұрын
Leave a huge sign at the end of the road with a very pleasant phrase letting them know how unpleased u are with them. Make a scene at the town meeting voicing your displeasure with the zoning and file for a variance
@wantsanewvehicle
@wantsanewvehicle Жыл бұрын
So, this is only the second video of yours that I watched (the other being the intro- if you will- to this video). I like your personality and outlook about this situation. I'm sorry they did this to you :(
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I can't let life keep me from living. Thanks for taking the time to watch.
@Steven-jo7cj
@Steven-jo7cj Жыл бұрын
Amazing video she did a great job
@Tonnsfabrication
@Tonnsfabrication Жыл бұрын
Prolly a neighbor snooping around turned you in. If so, I'd cut every tree around the perimeter and turn it into a barren waste land shitty looking full time dirt bike track, then I'd run every day without a muffler. After a few months of that they will beg you to just run the sawmill again.
@hobbyguy763
@hobbyguy763 10 ай бұрын
Wonder if sometimes things are better not filmed and structures just magically go down the road. Definitely fun to watch though.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations 10 ай бұрын
I feel like if I hadn't recorded it, you wouldn't believe I did it 😀
@danewert2306
@danewert2306 Жыл бұрын
I can't stand watching hard work torn apart for such Stupid reasons! Sorry your going through This 😭
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
I guess according to them you could say he chose to go through this it was his lack of awareness that hypocrites could tell you what size home or house you could live in
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
They just wanted him to tear down before he got his permanent House built and he let them run all over him eater from being a coward or just not being educated enough to not let others tell you what to do what happened to people living according to their own discretion of theirs no reason to live life if someone else is making all the rules and choices some people has to stand up for their own rights
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
Should have sued the courts lawmakers
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
If you purchase the land make them repay you or purchase the land back from you if you choose to sell it to them😅
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
Go to the car lot buy a once you receive the paperwork put add attachment attachment consist of no loans garnishes or or Tax and that the vehicle cannot be sold for any reason or destroyed in the future register and record it at the courthouse system publicly that way the vehicle can only be given away as a gift which the new owner would not have to pay tax or anything and it would be legal to do this that's how you repay them for coercing you into destruction
@gotthumbs2235
@gotthumbs2235 Жыл бұрын
Make it into a Trailer shed for real IMO. It would have been neat to see you fasten on some wheels onto the shed and actually make it a 'trailer' with a tow hitch. I haven't seen/heard anywhere what your long-term plans are for the property. I sure hope you are going to hold onto it. I would hate to see the township trolls push you out permanently. I'm betting you could come out ahead in the long term.
@99Projects
@99Projects Жыл бұрын
Sorry you had to undo all that work. That’s unacceptable. Good video tho
@harlanmclain1719
@harlanmclain1719 Жыл бұрын
Wow man that to bad i be done with that sell it off & would be done with it all feel for u man so sorry for loss
@christopherweidensee6133
@christopherweidensee6133 Жыл бұрын
I'm still in the process of investigating zoning issues with dropping or building a tiny house on my land one state over from you in Northern Wisconsin. I've watched a few folks in KZbin videos running into rather heartless zoning issues ending in the uprooting all their hardwork and dreams of off-grid living. I'm not giving up hope.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I've learned that if you're in Agricultural Zoning, you can get away with a lot more than the different residential zonings. Find some Ag. land.
@mediumrare9051
@mediumrare9051 Жыл бұрын
You should offer, for a fee, your video/zoning experience to every township in America. Could save towns and citizens a lot of headaches.
@mediumrare9051
@mediumrare9051 Жыл бұрын
Looks like you should be in the bunker construction business.
@dadsvespa
@dadsvespa Жыл бұрын
I feel so bad for you Kevin. You' and your wife are good people. You worked so hard building on YOUR land, then some town flunky says tear it down?! Who the hell do they think the are? We've got these "little Hitlers" over here in Massachusetts too. A few years back, an old lady up the street from me wanted to sell her field . The town "fathers" said NOPE! You can't because the frontage of the property was THREE FEET short!.... and they wouldn't allow anyone to build on it. She sold her house and her field and moved to Maine. Shortly thereafter the person WHO HAD FAMILY on the town board, bought the old lady's property, and immediately built a house in the field !!! They stopped a good hardworking American family from building, pushed her off her own property ! Then let their criminal buddies build on the very same land !!! I have a dozen stories just like this one that proves these people have no conscience, or empathy for anyone but their own "families" once they get in power. In short, they suck! Haven't we all taken enough?
@geo_walters
@geo_walters Жыл бұрын
I live in MA too. Saw the town steal an old couple's land and repurpose it for the senior center.
@douglasthompson2740
@douglasthompson2740 Жыл бұрын
A load strap all the way around the base of the structure would be a more secure pull and spread the load more evenly plus be much quicker.
@gregpaterson330
@gregpaterson330 Жыл бұрын
I don’t know where you are from but in New England we call that Yankee ingenuity
@erichagler7842
@erichagler7842 Жыл бұрын
is this an HOA township and did they give you a set of rules of can and cannot does .... and i can only say WOW ...
@mitchpalmer8485
@mitchpalmer8485 Жыл бұрын
What a shame - Nice place, Government Regs. , don't you just love them
@bobflores
@bobflores Жыл бұрын
You got the stuff done that had to be done within the time period they allowed with minimal damage. As you said nothing that you can't fix. Are you going to keep the other property? Thanks for the video.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I will keep it for now, but I'm not sure what to do with it. I have so many hours into it that I'll have a hard time parting with it. I suppose I'll just visit it like an old friend.
@rodmagee7895
@rodmagee7895 Жыл бұрын
As the proverbial they say...it could be worse. Nice job.
@pauls4708
@pauls4708 Жыл бұрын
I hope you can maybe benefit from those rules.Has the land appreciated in value? Put hte sawmill on a trailer
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
The land has appreciated in value, I've done a lot of work that hasn't been shown. I'm just very attached to it. I've been thinking about the trailer more and more.
@pauls4708
@pauls4708 Жыл бұрын
@@GrumpyToadCreations completely understandable
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
First of all when it comes to zoning rights you can have your property revoked from the zone if you own the property read your Land title if it doesn't state that the property is under restricted area due to zoning you can beat the but if you were aware that it was on before you purchase then it's on you for buying zoned you can request that the property be Removed from the zone
@hiimz
@hiimz Жыл бұрын
Did you ever find out who was trespassing on your property?
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
The complainant's name is protected as a "whistle-blower," and the closest I could get was the name of the elected official at the township who filed it for them. I'll have to wait until it comes out through the rumor mill.
@mikebateman8021
@mikebateman8021 Жыл бұрын
It was not a permanent structure I would have went right straight to the state a building structures
@williamfreeh1198
@williamfreeh1198 Жыл бұрын
local governments can be heartless to their citizens. at times they do more harm than good and most times it is pointless to argue your point with them. best of luck to you and yours.
@marlonestrella5054
@marlonestrella5054 Жыл бұрын
You can buy a prefab tiny home for 8k... its cheaper than losing all that material
@nancynancy8986
@nancynancy8986 Жыл бұрын
That's my fear, the county, I'm seeing a lot of videos that this is happening to
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
They have more authority than I gave them credit for, that's for sure. Don't underestimate the rule book.
@rkn3045
@rkn3045 Жыл бұрын
O'er the land of the freeeeeee!
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
You made a educational video of building therefore it was your recreational and educational residence just that alone is enough to beat the case take it to the United States supreme Court
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
So according to the law that they had you all by that means if you could get enough people together you could zone the piece of land where the courthouse is as recreational airport and they would have to tear the courthouse because it would be zoned wrong for a courthouse sounds like a great idea payback
@bigake1353
@bigake1353 Жыл бұрын
Local elections matter. Outsider creep in is a real thing.
@glenpaul3606
@glenpaul3606 Жыл бұрын
What a shame you had to go thru all that and destroy some the things you did such a good job building. Good luck in the future.
@c50ge
@c50ge Жыл бұрын
Good thing you have you own therapy dog.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
Ha, they make the day better. That's for sure.
@thearrowheadwoodsman3811
@thearrowheadwoodsman3811 Жыл бұрын
Be careful how you vote. I love the U.P. Cheers !!
@clubberlang5593
@clubberlang5593 Жыл бұрын
Typical government telling folk what to do with their own land.... I'm right angry
@BS.-.-
@BS.-.- Жыл бұрын
So find a crappy boat trailer, slide the axles under it and bolt a tongue on it. The zoning inspector is not a DOT inspector, they cant tell you something is not road worthy.
@Rob_Dob_Bob
@Rob_Dob_Bob Жыл бұрын
Wow... what a hassle.
@robertzalaker4775
@robertzalaker4775 Жыл бұрын
do you still own the land?
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I do still own the land. I'm sure what to do with it now, but I'm not ready to sell it.
@winstonrobinson6732
@winstonrobinson6732 Жыл бұрын
sounds like poor planning when you do all that work only to learn that "regulations" prevent what you have done and require you to undo all of it? Glad to know that MI has such regs out on raw land so others will not make this same mistake. I looked in FL in a sparsely populated area and learned similar regs existed. the realtor even suggested that my RV would be out of view on that 10 acres - proves that you should never trust a realtor.
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I assumed this land had the same rules as my other land down the road. The assumption was my mistake, and I paid for it. Gotta know where those invisible lines are.
@noneedtoknow2870
@noneedtoknow2870 11 ай бұрын
You should be able to do what you want on your property!! It angers me that some arbitrary collection of people are able to dictate what happens on property that does not belong to them. People should just mind their own business.
@jamessickmore236
@jamessickmore236 Жыл бұрын
for most of us normies it would cost more to move the shed then to build another
@hoangpham4468
@hoangpham4468 Жыл бұрын
City rule , permanent house with permit
@edwardprasad5942
@edwardprasad5942 Жыл бұрын
So sorry for your problems. Could you not just build a small bunkhouse? That's if you liked the property
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I'm starting a house on a different property down the road. This land is just my hobby forest. I don't have the money to build here because we're already starting the project at the other property. I'll just have to cut my losses and focus on the other one.
@L46C3
@L46C3 Жыл бұрын
It appears by the (nice) work you're doing that the land must be returned to its original undisturbed state. Is that the case?
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
It doesn't have to be returned to its original state, I just can't have anything that could be considered a "structure" or campsite. No habitation allowed without a house, but landscaping and earthwork is fine.
@terryroberts4589
@terryroberts4589 Жыл бұрын
I bet you are so pissed off after you had it looking so good, you have to do all this, next time make sure where you put it all, no one can tell you to move it again take care man.
@stevensexton5801
@stevensexton5801 Жыл бұрын
I'd clear cut it and sell the trees. Fah-q them.
@BobSmith-cs9nq
@BobSmith-cs9nq Жыл бұрын
That is total BS by the town.
@paulvanhouts3365
@paulvanhouts3365 Жыл бұрын
I really detest this over regulation for silly reasons. If you bought the land you should have the right to build how and when you can afford it. It may be naive of me but my comment about our overpowering bureaucracy is that as we become more educated, more ’civilised’ the greater our capacity to become extremely stupid. Life isn’t improved by such bureaucracy, it’s just power to the wealthy.
@suzylarry1
@suzylarry1 Жыл бұрын
And you are taking your baby GRUMPY TOAD ! It is a shame you have to do all of this. Maybe sell now? Hmm , if you didn't have bad luck ... Did you have to get a permit for what you did build? Township just wants $$$ I had a inlaw take a garage from my nextdoor neighbour ( 20 feet away ) travelled 5 miles bay farm tractor with the garage jacked and resting on a hay wagon. His wife followed with 4ways on THRU town of 85,000 on a sunday at 6:00 am. He won ! I would like to say you beet them at their own game . I like the way you think !
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
I believe we'll sell the land in the next year or two and focus on the property I moved everything to. It's not as beautiful there, but there's less regulation. There's a $35 garden shed permit that I should have applied for and a camping permit as well. If I had applied, I would have learned that the zoning doesn't allow what I have. Lesson learned. I'll take my Toad and do better on the next property :)
@Melicoy
@Melicoy Жыл бұрын
I call BS. There is a way to fight this look at other properies
@alfredwilkinson6845
@alfredwilkinson6845 Жыл бұрын
I say sell it to a chemical factory. Something that smells awful. And tell them you could Have let me do what I wanted to on my property. But sinchange you wanna be like that better yet sell it to China let them put a circuit board manufacturer there
@cathyjones3403
@cathyjones3403 Жыл бұрын
I subscribed today after I found out what the government was doing to you. 😡build a cabin for rental
@matthewburke4776
@matthewburke4776 Жыл бұрын
@15:44
@paule4696
@paule4696 11 ай бұрын
"Land of the Free" is a lie. You pay for the land, pay taxes on the land every year, pay permits fees to some bureaucratic overlord and they still control every aspect of how you can use "your" land. You had a beautiful spot there. And to think that this was initiated by some busy body illegally trespassing on your land. So frustrating.
@billiehuskins8129
@billiehuskins8129 Жыл бұрын
Like your video but could improve on the music
@Chickenman62
@Chickenman62 Жыл бұрын
muck fishigan
@mikebateman8021
@mikebateman8021 Жыл бұрын
A trailer company would have came and and move that for you for 300.00 I don't even know why you bothered with a trailer they would have moved it in 15 minutes a company that builds them and install they also move them
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
The only company in my area that does that said they won't move a shed that they didn't sell. If I bought it from them, they'd move it. But I built this myself. Tow truck companies wouldn't haul it because it's too tall for them to move legally. I had a small window of time to get it moved, I had to make it happen.
@timtripp
@timtripp Жыл бұрын
That would be about like them coming up and that I had to tear my living facility down first of all they would have I would force them to trespass on my property my living home and I would have told them that my home that I lived in was my house and it was educational and recreational you did not break no law you just wasn't smart enough to know that you didn't have to tear down they would have to destroy my place themselves that way they would have been the ones breaking their own laws
@cainsriverhideaway
@cainsriverhideaway Жыл бұрын
My Heavens ... talk about beating someone down who is trying to better the property they own... Yah think they would be proud to have people there who love there land and wanna make it a home... Shameful what there doing to you... I feel for you
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations Жыл бұрын
They just want the tax dollars. A big house brings in more property taxes than a campsite and a shed does. I guess you've gotta pay to play. Thanks for the support.
@miriamploude3175
@miriamploude3175 Жыл бұрын
Promo SM 😭
@williamburns9731
@williamburns9731 Жыл бұрын
Ahwell that's woke America for you.
@dond9633
@dond9633 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I don't live in Michigan, it's all about what your political affiliate is. Democratic leaders are crazy in Michigan. Vote republican to be left alone.
@rivjoy
@rivjoy Жыл бұрын
Yes the D's are crazy, but don't assume the R's will leave you alone either once someone is in power they think it's their duty to run your life.
@michaelpowell9164
@michaelpowell9164 11 ай бұрын
Watching you have to destroy all your hard work because some knuckle head decided to target you is appalling. I'm a pretty petty guy, I believe I'd find the most unattractive buyer for the property and sell it to them. Then the township and "that neighbor" would have to deal with that! lol
@GrumpyToadCreations
@GrumpyToadCreations 11 ай бұрын
It's a tempting thought!
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