Reacting to Pat McAfee "Taking a Flamethrower" to ESPN Exec. He Called a "Rat"| Dan Le Batard Show

Jemele Hill joins the show to react to Pat McAfee calling out ESPN executive Norby Williamson on air for trying to "sabotage" The Pat McAfee Show after his shows recent controversy with Aaron Rodgers. Jemele details why she tweeted that she relates to McAfee's comments, and her firsthand experience at ESPN. Then Dan and the crew discuss more of it after hearing Pat's response on ESPN touting his "strong" relationship with the Worldwide leader. Following that we look at the College Football playoff and why the country is most likely rooting for Washington tonight.
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[0:00-12:23] Jemele Hill, Pat McAfee's sabotage accusations
[12:24-21:43] McAfee's relationship with ESPN
[21:44-24:15] Super Bowl predictions
[24:16-34:29] College Football Championship
[34:30-36:40] Naked man in Bass Pro Shop pool
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[@cheetohead6942]

Pat brought his already set up platform to ESPN, he still owns his show, he has eay more leverage than any other show hosts and he knows it, if they cut his show he can get another big sponsorship deal and go back to running everything himself

[@918Boyz]

people seem to miss that he only LICENSED a custom segment for a time slot us some cross marketing agreements McAfee didn't sell ownership of his show .

[@Mayotardboi]

Yeah from the start I was super confused on why people said he sold out 😂 man didn’t even sell his show espn is legit just renting his show.

[@vinnykicks7352]

The crew hit the lottery working for Dan. That’s all I gotta say 😂

[@davecheng4201]

Toxic organizations promote toxic people. It's clear with Pat, Dan, and Jemele all speaking to it that Norby is a huge problem at ESPN but, being a toxic organization, they clearly empower Norby to do pretty much what he wants.

[@Evebr]

Hence why I no longer watch ESPN.

[@AndrewWright1998]

Awesome that Pat’s staying true to himself and still calling out bs calling a rat a rat the same way he would’ve those of us who’ve been fans for awhile know that he would’ve just the same 5 years ago before his meteoric rise. And he has the power, leverage, and popularity to do it 🔥

[@mikegray5826]

MRS mcafee and MRS rodgers are very HAPPY COUPLE.

[@TSteeyo]

Thats why we were all so confused that he chose to move his show to ESPN, a lot of people are now saying "we told you so"

[@1200CartaLane]

Dan spoke the truth about them not needing ESPN!! When you can say to a boss that I don’t need this platform they have to respect you more than a 9 to 5 employee.

[@williestyle35]

Good point. Helps Pat that he owns his show and IP...

[@ellisedwards4715]

"if you get jammed up dont mention my name"....Jeezy

[@user-ey8ml1en9m]

YEAAAAAAAAAAA

[@Rico513]

And Jalen Rose😂

[@ellisedwards4715]

@@Rico513 he got it from Jeezy

[@al99795]

@@ellisedwards4715 I thought he got it from Jay Bilas

[@ellisedwards4715]

@@al99795 no it's from a Jeezy song

[@IrishWeegee]

[0:00-12:23] Jemele Hill, Pat McAfee's sabotage accusations [12:24-21:43] McAfee's relationship with ESPN [21:44-24:15] Super Bowl predictions [24:16-34:29] College Football Championship [34:30-36:40] Naked man in Bass Pro Shop pool Dan & Stugotz in Studio, Mike EP Billy, Chris, and Jessica in the Shipping Container

[@JHarleyrider22]

Thanks bc Jemele Hill is a waste of breathe.

[@IrishWeegee]

@@JHarleyrider22 Terribly uncalled for.

[@orange22ify]

You're a waste of food ​@@JHarleyrider22

[@macdaddy2344]

Whats up brother

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

​​@@IrishWeegeebut where is the lie? I think you telling them that their comment was uncalled for is terribly uncalled for I appreciate the timestamps though👍

[@piteusx8440]

Adnan complaining about leaks at ESPN was next level. Well done Adnan. You're awesome.

[@williestyle35]

It's as deep as Adnan was a leaker...

[@drakoramore9]

I would love to hear this whole ESPN conversation with Skipper included

[@kramwrites]

FINALLY! Thank you for bringing back my favorite bit of the infiltrating Adnan

[@fastlanevlog]

U gotta remember, u guys went to school to become employees. Employees are typically scared of the boss. Pat signed up to be a boss. This is also why Pat came in from the jump making more than almost EVERY other personality there.

[@williestyle35]

This is true. It helps Pat that he is an "owner", he still owns his show and IP...

[@Im_a_49er]

Not exactly Jemele. Only Pat can get away with it because of his leverage. Another regular employee tries to call out an Exec. Like that, they will be out of there in a NY minute.

[@SapoGrande]

Criticism isn’t “open for business” at ESPN unless it’s coming from a Superstar of Superstars. With all respect due to employees on the level of Hill/Smith/Le Batard… They better toe the company line because there’s only one SAS and McAfee could come out and speak publicly like this without being instantly canned.

[@michaelvincent7115]

Dan is Cuban and jemele is a black woman. You can see the difference. Not that Pat is wrong, but yeah

[@jerseyraider9618]

Correct! Dan and Jemele are privileged in their line of work

[@GoDawgs809]

@@jerseyraider9618no, they get fired. It’s not an advantage. Stephen A kisses tons of asses. He doesn’t ruffle any feathers.

[@MarsChampion21]

Human behavior is priceless, yet so marketable. What a time

[@insertcity2508]

"Be who you can afford to be" Pat Macafee lol

[@Tony525_]

ESPN needs Pat more than Pat needs ESPN...

[@Jahwobbly]

People don't watch over-the-air TV (which ESPN doesn't have) and people dumped their cable. ESPN is 2008 Blockbuster and they think they're 2013 NetFlix.

[@BlessedAreTheCheesemakers]

I hope someday Chris learns to read good

[@WorldB403]

That ship done sunk😂

[@LaCheeserie]

Never that

[@DougMcEntire]

Well

[@macdaddy2344]

Light years away

[@chicagogr81]

And why would we want that? That's like hoping Greg Cote will someday learn not to get clipped by the HNO. In the name of good content, may Chris never learn to read correctly. Ahhhhhh sheets and giggles.

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

Imagine what it must feel like as an ESPN executive. For the first time ESPN and their platform dont have the leverage. Pat's show doesnt need it, they need Pat. ESPN's ratings and dominance in the market has been dwindling for years. Everyone got sick of the politics and screaming black man with unlimited shows over and over. I switched to pats because all my favorite sports anchors had moved on from espn and started their own thing. I watch rich eisen and pat mcafee for my mainstream sports news. I watch the TheHockeyGuy and steve dangels podcast for my hockey news. I hope they keep the show what it is and if they get pushed, Walk away

[@jaisonsanchez8715]

huge difference, ESPN wanted PMS, they didn't make him, show was already wildly sucessfull hes helping ESPN

[@dorianj74]

Is this the guy Dan Patrick said that he would do SportsCenter tomorrow if he could fire him on live tv?!

[@preloading777]

Adnan dropping in outta nowhere was great

[@brandonmelchiorre6456]

Like a RKO outta nowhere

[@LaCheeserie]

It’s Adnan at his best

[@piteusx8440]

Note: Adnan got let go from ESPN because they accused him of leaking info. Adnan is the best. He doesn't give a crap.

[@Sports_BS]

@@piteusx8440he definitely leaked something thought he admitted it. that’s why he said aww who cares everybody talks lol all these personalities so much more free without ESPN

[@Dyswtric2001]

ESPN "recruited" Pat McAfee and his show. They did not "make him" nor did he get his start there. It is not surprising that he can speak out more than anyone before him. I am sure many other people would do the same thing.

[@Lord_Stinkfoot]

Yup. He can leave if he wants.

[@TSteeyo]

@@Lord_Stinkfoot not sure if he can and still do the show if he breaks his contract, I'm sure there's some non compete clause. ESPN gave him $85 Million for 5 years, he knew what he was getting into and many are now saying "we told you so"

[@Lord_Stinkfoot]

@@TSteeyo he just calls himself something else. PM in the Morning or whatever

[@Matt-du7xu]

@@TSteeyo Pat still owns the show, ESPN is only licensing it to air on their platform. The show will go on no matter what.

[@thisguy8106]

ESPN *needs* Pat... Pat doesn't need ESPN one tiny bit.

[@Matt-cr4vv]

This entire thing is why I love Pat. He only made his move to ESPN after they basically conceded to him everything he wanted. And he openly stated prior to the move that the primary motivation of even doing it was to lessen his work load since a bunch of the backend work he normally had to do when he was on his own would be handled by ESPN and free up a lot of time for him. But it’s dope to see somebody land what Pat did where he can operate freely rather than bending his knee since he has zero reliance to being on ESPN. I’m sure he’d prefer to stay on the network and continue the lower work load but it’s been cool seeing him stay true to himself and doing what he wants. But I’m not sure it will really benefit anybody else because he’s an anomaly that was well established on his own and has no reliance to the network while all the normal folk will still be beholden to the network as in normal practice. All in all it’s fun to see but it’s largely just an example of how the world has always worked and that being that the big names who are established out side of the network itself and have a readily available pivot to something else if they left the network have always been able to and continue to be able to get away with a bunch of things that normal people can’t. And it may do harm to something independent making a jump since it’ll further entrench the network not wanting to let anybody get control like this again. But who knows will be fun to see things play out

[@chicagogr81]

Defying authority will only get McAfee higher ratings and ESPN still profits. This is the Chris Cote theory of any publicity is good publicity.

[@Zothimus]

Lol, true that Chicago!

[@ironhorse5602]

This was one of the best DLS shows I have seen in a while.

[@PettyFoodDeliveryDriver]

The talk about the name "Arthur"😂 just made me subscribe... this is why I've been watching Pat everyday for the last 3/4 yrs. Random funny commentary

[@smashtoad]

The reason they let "such and such" do it is because people actually watch their show. Having a successful show is a prerequisite. Jemele never had that. Her input on this situation could not have been less interesting.

[@butternuts14]

She wanted so bad to say he can do it cause he’s a white guy.

[@AlexMejia-bb4ql]

​@@butternuts14there might be some truth to this

[@al99795]

@@butternuts14 i mean it is corporate america

[@buff1122]

We’re acting like ESPN is a big deal at this point. The talent is not disposable. Pat doesn’t give a fuck and doesn’t need to give a fuck.

[@gregh2367]

I wonder what espn will be in 10 years. These brands dont have the power they once did and I doubt they ever will again.

[@preetisulm]

I would imagine they will be sold off to Apple, Amazon, Google, etc. one of the big tech companies that are getting into streaming. I used to consume a lot of ESPN content back in college, highly questionable, numbers don't lie, sportsnation, the jump, etc. because these shows were so unique and packed with talent, making them different from typical argument sports television. Nowadays in the rare instance I tune into ESPN for non-live sports content, all I see is the same 5-6 people being on repeat 24/7, i.e. Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Pat McAfee, Mike Greenberg, Ryan Clark, and Kendrick godawful Perkins and its just like why tf do I have to see these same people all day everyday saying the same things they've been saying the day before smh. Sorry, rant over lol.

[@LeBatardShow]

We did a video on this before with former ESPN president John Skipper. Watch it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZi0opisnJmNbas

[@21GamingCo]

The difference between Pat and Stephen .A … jermele and everybody else is that …. Pat didn’t need ESPN … all those other ppl received jobs at espn … pat received a partnership… he was all ready very successful on his own and probably had plenty of offers from other companies wanting to partner with him… he built a brand and a huge following before he got to espn … that gives u leverage to say and do more than a regular employee … applying for a job says u need them 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@maxpuppy96]

The times they are a changing. McAfee does not need ESPN they need him. Norby Williams can be replaced.

[@mdub9669]

Dude look how fast Jess was texting in the background while Mike was talking about espn.

[@investorbettor505]

People just want the truth in all aspects of life. Either Pat is right or wrong. People that like Pat McAfee (and Dan Lebatard for that matter) love genuine people, truth, and humor of course

[@Mayotardboi]

Yeah big fan of both espn sucks though.

[@jakeprewitt3009]

They’re still making Arthurs. Adolphs haven’t been in production for like 80 years though.

[@jeffmiller7071]

He gets away with it because he can do his show WITHOUT 4 letter name network and they are pitiful without him. I don’t even know who the hell else works there.

[@MichaelMartin-qe5ye]

Sportscenter doesn't make stars anymore. Scott Van Pelt is the only one I know who still does Sportscenter.

[@kodylemons2276]

Pat has all the power and more people want him then ESPN want him to think

[@curtiscain6368]

I hate that stupid box.🙄 Give me the tea 🫖

[@at0mly]

so annoying

[@OK-uu8cc]

Pat ain't scared

[@EddiXP]

Pat Mcafee sticking it too the establishment. You love to see it.

[@princealirogers]

McAfee don’t need ESPN. He can easily go back to WWE and promote his show on Fox every week

[@lionelclark2614]

It’s crazy how ppl hide their hate while saying they root for you.

[@jamesmaguire9518]

Seems like espn needs pat more than pat needs espn.

[@ytowndroog5940]

lol. Just came off a Scientology video to this. First few minutes felt like the same beast, discussing ESPN and control over talent.

[@nathanmcdowell4731]

I knew Dan would delight in the ESPN higher ups being put on blast lmao he's almost as giddy as when the heat won the finals with LeBia James

[@ericciaramella1984]

Just so we're clear. Having a mirrored object beside your face where your computer screen can be seen in its reflection is always a bad idea. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[@DanielFromAlbuquerque]

Also I'd expect someone of her stature in sports media to have a better mic than a fucking Blue snowball.... If you've been at ESPN you should not have a microphone that I purchased at 18 yrs old for about 50-60 bucks making minimum wage, just sayin😂

[@terrymcginnis223]

@@DanielFromAlbuquerqueboth you losers care way too much about this and not the actual topic 🤣🤣

[@honkskilledit57]

This is all about the decentralization of media. KZbin and podcasts changing media landscape, and espn and sports are non immune

[@butternuts14]

I was a huge fan of the Dan Lebatard show on ESPN. It sounds like Pat McAfee is going to bat for shows like this….. Pat is almost at Joe Rogan level, possibly already there

[@orange22ify]

McAfee and Rogan are the go to listen for incels

[@americasevilgenius]

@@orange22ify I don't think that's true...but if it is, then I guess there's a *lot* more "incels" out there than anybody thought, and that those "incels" bring a lot more revenue to the table than anybody wants to admit!

[@ojuice54]

@@orange22ifycall me, a black female, an incel then… 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@erv.7663]

@@orange22ifyOnly people that hears an out of context clip will say that

[@orange22ify]

@@americasevilgenius sure thing incel thanks for sharing

[@jayharris3797]

Jemellle is GORGEOUS

[@4biz]

you&jemele spoke truth to power to this.they burn the both of yall.''please spill on them'' i remember yall on espn before the mouse&them took over.when it was great.i stoped watching them.

[@Cneph1964]

Change the complexion, and it goes in a different direction.

[@winstonsyme5899]

Not all groups work hard or are intelligent. One group created and developed the Industrial Revolution and another never created a mechanical device. Talk about different.

[@rxtrerx]

Loved jemele and Michael but they did not fit for sports center I’m sorry and I’m saying tht as a blacc person they should’ve kept tht pod and held onto it

[@fluffybunny364]

Jemele's Mic is so shiny, love it.

[@dmurphy1578]

I know I do t watch anyone named norby everyday

[@kennethwest1781]

Pat is the GOAT, and ESPN is a joke.

[@kevinhall3797]

Everyone had to see this coming. Doing your own thing versus coming into a rigid corporate structure is different. Not sure how they convinced him otherwise. Big dollars come with a certain level of control being desired from the powers to be.

[@williestyle35]

It is a different thing to ESPn as well. Pat still controls most of his show and "owns" his own IP.

[@stephenlacey5925]

That's not fair to Bama fans, that guy is an Auburn fan :)

[@wmcuccia1356]

Pat doesn't need espn...

[@yeoleunicorn858]

I love the hate from the support of Miami I think it’s called irony.

[@jrdlttl]

Stu in Bob does sports was badass!

[@fexcab]

11:48 fuckin Adnan😂

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

Shoutout to Shapiro! I knew him well after he left ESPN and don’t know what he was like in house. He was always great with me. He reinvented the channel and was proud of what he helped create, but he left with zero loyalty after they portrayed him has a failure who pushed the limits too far with ideas.

[@Deewrizz]

He’s not a wrestler lol. He was a commentator and a nfl kicker.

[@Mayotardboi]

Still think it’s funny so many people were dogging on Pat for “selling out”. Maybe he “rented out” his show to ESPN. But dude maintained complete ownership of his show. I’m still convinced ESPN needs pat a lot more than he needs them which is why I think they show there belly everytime Pat steps out.

[@jupiter619]

Does "Arthur" the cartoon count? He's still on TV I believe

[@richardhunter6858]

Dan is at that age where he looks like he just ate a powdered donut. Some snow on the front porch 😉

[@seangaughan9103]

NBA Championship Trophy in the Jemele interview....didn't see that coming

[@8bitsamurai6]

This is human tho. We should be able to talk out our problems out. I know Pat wouldnt say it if it wasnt true if not hed use the word allegedly.

[@Jahwobbly]

It's never good when when your name and job title is in the news. B-bye Norby.

[@KDC41]

The MCOC legitimately ruined Dan's day 😢

[@Workingman22]

When Jemele starts talking, I change the channel.

[@WheelerRickRambles]

Haven’t watched espn in years. Don’t have it. I’ll watch mcaffee on KZbin every now and again. Cable is the jv team.

[@joecarey4356]

Welcome to the real world. Jemelle

[@andrewscherf6456]

I personally know an Arthur born in December 2023. 😂😂

[@LaCheeserie]

Love it!

[@mca217]

Do it in 2024

[@eddiehernandez2516]

It’s not espn’s shit it’s pat show they can survive with out them

[@keysersoze6506]

Still no public apology for your friend Stephen A?

[@SuperMCFIVE]

Listening to Blake Corum, he's as far from a hater as anyone imaginable.

[@keelanmccloud1203]

Tangentially - in a way that relates only slightly to a matter; peripherally

[@sebeku2]

Go Blue!!!

[@DXAdamJensen]

McAfee has every right to call out this executive. Espn's ratings has been sliding and they are losing money. Williamson's method does not work and if he continues to lead Espn's programming, Disney may be forced to sell off the brand. This dinosaur needs to go. Good on Pat to show leverage

[@glenndowling8383]

Where else will Pat be allowed to be dumbass with a chain and tank top? Espn has a real gem 😂

[@kairibaker8348]

Joel Embiid's son name is Arthur

[@leslielove498]

I love Jamel I love Dan and Stu Gots. But let’s face fax. All of them are bitter exes of ESPN, and this whole Pat McAfee thing reeks of what they had gone through and why they were let go from ESPN and now they see the new people going through what they went through. I don’t blame them at all for talking about these shows.

[@lochnessmonster5149]

Pat should buy your show and shut it down.

[@briankennedy2013]

Does it really take all those people for 2 dudes talking in front of a camera

[@jeffkotuby]

The Bass Pro Shop guy had a top 1 percent case of shrinkage going on there, goodness me

[@ajevansjr]

The fading out of adnam voice is Emmy nominee worthy

[@Pigasaurus1]

It's Hill!

[@dharris1084able]

So about accurate numbers.... the Pat show has numbers on you tube AND espn.. it's why he says he has accurate numbers (espn) and non accurate numbers (you tube)

[@Bolttoast]

She don’t got the star power of Pat. Apples to oranges.

[@wickedblue3218]

Its funny... when an exec leaks info to the newspaper..... its ok not to be called out? I think Dan was worth the money.... but he should have gotten more....

[@jramos1501]

That iiipoints hat 🔥🔥🔥

[@1914jblue]

So are we saying that McAfee is bigger than ESPN?

[@rippski9826]

Leverage!!!!!

[@BuffdatRatt]

“Precedence” being a naughty word in American business is exactly why I can’t stand capitalism. God forbid companies do things for their employees …

[@user-tg7ub7qz6y]

I can listen to Arseni hall talk as much as it did.

[@darkhorse1989]

How bad did Jamel want to bring in race to the topic

[@daneg]

Dan looks better without the hats.

[@machiavelli1422]

dudes name is Norby...

[@ndnow12]

This is what Pat signed on for, it was a mistake from the start to join espn and stupid when you are building an empire yourself.