LeBron Fan GETS OBLITERATED IN GOAT DEBATE

[@TheSantes651]

Bronsexuals: its a team sport. Also Bronsexuals: he carries his teams and makes them better, he doesn't have enough help.

[@moonwalker1298]

@@TheSantes651 it's only a "team sport" when the conversation is against players who's resumes blow his out the water or compare very favorably. When it's vs somebody like Steph or KD all of a sudden those "team accomplishments" become individual achievements lol

[@davidmartinez52420]

They unabashedly contradict themselves on this and many other of their arguments. The funny thing about when they say basketball is a team sport is they judge teams by their best 2 or 3 players, so it doesn't really mean anything when they say that. They are fully aware of how much one player can mean to the success or failure of a team too, so using this argument is just a way for them to avoid giving players their props.

[@tavisbanks4781]

And had a team of all stars most of his career 😂

[@dmar82]

👍🏼

[@mr.nimbus537]

This applies to every argument they have though. They just use their goat bingo cards. -Superteams? Mj couldn't win without pippen. -Team hopping for cheap rings? He can win with anyone. -Flopping and complaining? Jordan got the most friendly whistle ever. It just never stops.

[@TheZayzkidd3]

LeBron's first title came in year WADE.

[@acousticLU]

They can downplay MJ's finals opponents as much as they want. The point is, he NEVER lost to them. JJ Barea would like a word lmao.

[@lbarge85]

L3-6ron got cooked by Jason Terry

[@evensbaptiste6415]

And Jordan first Finals win was with Pippin

[@beegeebad3193]

Pippen came in the league as a NOBODY, he just developed thru the years. While lebron had a top pick of Kyrie, Wade, Bosh, and evry nba star of this era​@@evensbaptiste6415

[@huaweichoche]

​​​​​​@@evensbaptiste6415 😆😆😆 But Pippin established himself as a player and neither him nor Jordan jumped on other star player legacy as LeWagon jumped on Wade's by movin to Miami . Nice spin but failed as everything around LeLoser

[@Realrad84]

Labron fans making their generation dumber. Good job kids.

[@AggravatedMan365]

He doesn't even look that young

[@bdr113080]

On top of that they are the first ones to openly just admit they don’t respect anyone that came before them. I was born in 1980 so I’d be sitting here lying to you if I told you I understood how great magic and Larry were but by the time I started watching Sports with my dad when I was 10 in the early 90s I did understand that those guys were legends. The older I got the more I got to appreciate players like them and Dr. J and Jerry West.. I’ve actually heard some people try to use the argument that “well, Michael Jordan was the goat then we’re talking about today” so with that logic that they’re making it’s OK for them to just throw LeBron’s career away 20 years from now when there’s someone else playing?

[@Chuck_EL]

8:35 also Dan, Kevin and Barley all played on the 1992 and 96 dream team at the same time the freaking dream teams!!

[@bdr113080]

@@DanTarrant1 but LeBron fans don’t seem to take everything into consideration they take the parts that make LeBron look good into consideration and leave everything else out. LeBron lost in the playoffs nine years straight and you guys act like somehow that’s better than Michael losing in the playoff for seven years straight. When you take everything into consideration, you have to take into consideration the tournament as a whole I agree, but then when it’s time to look at the competition, LeBron faced through the entire tournament, not just the finals you guys don’t want to do that anymore. LeBron’s time in the east West filled with terrible teams. There were even years that you had teams with losing record in the eastern conference tournament. And really before it started being shoved down everyone’s throat that LeBron is the goat. A lot of us weren’t judging LeBron that harshly. I remember back in 2010 thinking that LeBron might’ve had a legitimate chance to be the goat, Michael, the goat because we just love Michael that much. Kobe Bryant is my favorite player and I really wanted him to end up better and more successful than Michael but that didn’t happen but as an adult I didn’t start crying and start lying about Michael. I just accepted things for how they were. Whatever great has done with exceptions is usually you come into the league if you drafted high you’re not going to go to a good team it takes a couple years to build a team around you then you get playoff experience then you figure out how to win in the playoffs. LeBron never did that. Once Michael figured out what he needed to do as a leader, and a player he became unstoppable. LeBron just kept having to stack the deck and hope it would work out and then his team does a hit job on everyone from Dwyane Wade to Kyrie to try to make them look less than what they were because if you start talking about them like they’re a top 75 player in one of the best of their generation it takes away from the way you guys want LeBron to be looked at.

[@DanTarrant1]

We're not the ones who can't distinguish between team and individuals sports, or saying that it's better to lose early in the playoffs than in the Finals. I

[@mielle_mirei]

Lebron wins: he’s the goat Lebron loses: it is because of his teammates. Needs more help.

[@AlMoton]

If he's so great that how come he didn't go 12 times and win six. If the criteria is oh who has the most championships in everybody can shut the hell up because Bill Russell's Goat 🐐. He went 13 times in his career and the man 11...

[@thecall0ut]

@@AlMoton Is Bill Russel's skillset better than Jordan's? Bill Russel wasn't always the best player in that Celtics team, and he was mostly a defensive presence praised for stopping the unstoppable Wilt Chamberlain. Stay quiet when you're as clueless as that orange bald fanboy in this video.

[@titanlong3726]

​@AlMoton can't argue against Bill. I would take Mike, but I'm only 50. I never seen Bill play.

[@AlMoton]

@@titanlong3726 MJ was hero for a whole generation, and I now realize that I to be honest and more respectful of that 😜

[@AlMoton]

What's more likely to happen somebody going 6-0 on the finals or being a beast for over 20 years..??

[@stanleykwan7759]

MJ's competition looks weak because he kept beating them, LeBron's competition looks strong because they kept beating him.

[@MrJoshbaby1]

That's a good one

[@Bobby-di1ve]

@@stanleykwan7759 he didn't keep beating them ,Detroit pistons whooped that ass

[@senbonzakurabankai757]

@@MrJoshbaby1p. G my

[@2commajourney2023]

@@Bobby-di1veand beat them back , unlike leflop that quit and jump shipped and formed a superteam to win a ring but still got beat by jj barea lol. Oh and jokic kept sweeping leflop along with anthony davis too.

[@maksalvio7164]

😂😂😂​@@Bobby-di1ve

[@HiroOfLegend]

Insulting Karl malone and John Stockston one of the best duos of the 90s era? Take away this man's internet rights.

[@chhansen9813]

90's? ALL TIME!

[@mattmmixes]

They think athleticism is the only thing that matters in basketball so they see Stockton as “weak”

[@ericwilson1185]

⁠@@mattmmixes not even dat, they hate Malone nd because Stockton was his teammate, they throw Stockton in there like he guilty by association

[@Wallyworld30]

They also had the best trio from '94-'99 with Jeff Honacek Jazz had a 69% Winning Percent during the entire 90's decade. Only the Bulls had a higher winning percent during the 90's with 71% Sonics were 3rd with a 65% winning percent.

[@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6]

Those same Jazz beat several of the more prestigious teams from that era, sweeping the Lakers WITH O'Neal, beating the Rockets, as well.

[@Taj_Rahine]

Terry Porter was averaging 27 and 7 in the 92 playoffs before they faced the Bulls.

[@d.e.jchung777]

These fools know nothing about basketball

[@theflyingkaramazovbrothers6]

Even guys like Duckworth, Kersey, and a young Cliff Robinson, and Buck Williams (who garnered All Defensive Team selections in 90-92) at PF. These people are morons.

[@RedPhill24]

Terry Porter was a 20pt 10ast guy. But they had a deep team. Buck Williams, Jerome Kersey, Detlef Screfh (destroyed his name) Rookie Cliff Robinson. WTH is that guy talking about.

[@Chuck_EL]

​@@d.e.jchung777 the disrespect it's wild I mean I played bball in the 90s street ball , you always left the court bruised up , cut up or with sore knees and arms

[@mpound97]

Terry Porter was killing dudes man.

[@nevincuff3621]

Lebron fans are ridiculous. They say Jordan's 6 rings are a "team accomplishment", but in the same breath they'll praise Lebron for making it to 8 straight finals. Bulls win 6 championships, its the team. Cavaliers make it to 8 finals, its all because of "Lebron carried a bunch of bums" blah blah blah you cant make this stuff up.

[@Herosennin]

They don't understand this is literally narcissistic reasoning or they do and don't care as long as at some point, it'll make people believe Lebron is better, which is even more narcissistic.

[@davidmartinez52420]

If you were watching a Jordan and LeBron fan debating and took a shot every time the LeBron fan contradicts his own argument, you'd be dead in 20 minutes

[@mattmmixes]

They’ll count Celtics Shaq’s as hall of fame comp to make his runs look more impressive

[@JayDay32]

Yep and if we are going to just remove winning completely, MJ still has all the per game and per season records. Showing even without rings MJ still wins the stats game. Then take away stats and just look at the eye test and…yep, you guessed it MJ wins by doing things on the court offensively and defensively no other players have done. Take away the eye test and yes, finally Lebron wins because he leads the league in turnovers and turnovers and assist to turnover ratios.

[@DamnWhoAsked]

No one moves goal posts as frequently and as efficiently as Lebron stans, lol.

[@universalmind3963]

Most people clickbait, but you actually did OBLITERATE every argument. Well done.

[@Jimmyd134]

Here’s the facts. Playoffs MJ vs 60 win team. 7-2 Lebron is 3-5 MJ vs 50 win teams 20-7 Lebronze is 10-9 MJ played better competition and he won more.

[@roderickwhite6088]

Facts

[@LeGoatOnTop]

"better competition" those are INFLATED WINS because the league was so watered down lmao

[@roderickwhite6088]

Lol that's went they defense. Please tell me what defense they play.

[@LeGoatOnTop]

@@roderickwhite6088 defense looked good back then because everyone's offense was so ass so it made the defense look better. now, everyone's so skilled offensively it makes the defense look worse. in reality, defense stayed the same throughout, offense got drastically better

[@roderickwhite6088]

Please tell me how old you. BECAUSE I am 55 years old I have seen 80s the 90s the 2000s.the 90s and the earl 2000s was nice.

[@Taj_Rahine]

Lebron fans are on self cook mode

[@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401]

It's glorious, and I'm here for it. Sidenote: Never have I seen a fan base with such a case of foot-in-mouth disease.

[@BIGDAWG-z4t]

YALL ON NON EVOLING MODE , TRYING TO BRING MJ A CROSS DRESSER AND 5 WHITEMEN ON THE COURT, DONT YOU KNOW WE IN 2024 AND YOUR BEST PLAYER A WOMAN 😂😂

[@Vennnnnnnnnn]

@@BIGDAWG-z4t After reading this comment I'd say we successfully began devolving after 2010. Yikes

[@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401]

@@BIGDAWG-z4t Brain damage???

[@bluntedspetsnaz718]

@@BIGDAWG-z4tle bron is ass my boy get over it 😂

[@MrSoulja87]

Lebron and his minions try so loudly and hard all day to convince everyone that Lebron is the GOAT, while the true GOAT goes about his business, quietly enjoying his retirement and the whole world still majorly states JORDAN is the 🐐 🤣🤷‍♂️

[@roboninja3194]

I am convinced Klutch Sports is behind all the stuff on twitter. There are a bunch of accounts dedicated strictly to Lebron and every single day without fail they're posting Lebron clips, gifs, and graphics. I don't believe real people would be doing this unless they're being paid. And it's obvious Lebron has used Klutch Sports to manipulate all media. And as far as being paid I know someone could say Twitter is monetized but that's silly cause it takes insane amounts of views to get any real money, views these Lebron accounts are not achieving. A regular person would miss some days here n there. Like I said these people tweet this crap all day long every single day without ever missing even 1 day.

[@KoTM25681]

Remember folks. LeBron fans represent the same generation of people that thought Chase bank was giving out free money 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sebaztionabsolution]

🏆🏆🏆

[@mattmmixes]

Over under 2 years before a major financial crash

[@Kashed]

Lebron fans thought eating Tide Pods was a good idea.

[@Mhr6685]

@@Kashedand smoking potpourri 😂

[@xabvwj]

😂😂😂 so true

[@yaxing007]

Jordan lost over and over and over, instead of looking for a way out, he worked harder, improved every year, and eventually over came the teams that he lost to and built a dynasty. Lebron ran his entire career, ran after losing in Cleveland, ran after teammates in Miami start declining and swept by spurs, ran away from Cleveland AGAIN once klove declined and kyrie was out. You just can’t call a quitter the GOAT. Doesn’t work like that. You can make a case for Kobe, for Duncan. Anyone but lebron, and I used to be a lebron fan before he started to quit and ran away from defeats

[@braveheart8085]

Not to mention when Jordan came back a third time . He chose the Washington Wizards. He could of played on anyteam and ran away with more titles but he chose one of the worse teams to try to will his way to a 7th title . LeChoke ran to teams on the cusp of winning . MJ is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME . Get that through your dumb thick skulls LeChoke fans.

[@MrOneanddone91]

0:30 “It involves this guy right here, and you might say who Is that?” “Honestly I couldn’t tell you “ 🤣🤣🤣

[@iamaretheone4083]

So goin to the finals and losing multiple times is better than going 6 times and winning?cocaine really is a hell of a drug 😂😂😂😂

[@MrSmitty1074]

space shuttle dust

[@MR.__G]

They made it a trophy being the last one to lose lol

[@stephengenneis5200]

U get a "facts" for that one😅

[@KillMonger312]

Lebron never dominated any era, Steph has just as many championships with significantly less losses in LeBron’s era… Jordan is the undisputed GOAT.

[@Alart28]

Steph has a Dynasty on the so-called king's head. 2010s was the Steph era ...LeBron is the modern Wilt. Great stats, but he couldn't beat the other superstar.

[@twilitezn]

...and I would argue that Steph's 2022 ring is MORE impressive than any of Lebron's...even the 2016 one : - Steph and the Dubs were not taken seriously all year as a contender UNTIL the Conference Championships - TWO of Steph's conference opponents were better than ANY conference foe that Lebron faced in 2016 : Memphis and Dallas (who beat the #1 seed) - the best three opposing players that Steph faced in the Conference Series - Jokic/Ja/Luka - were LEAGUES better than anything Lebron faced in 2011-2018 - While his Finals opponent - the Tatum/Brown Celtics - weren't on the level of the 2016 Dubs, they were an outstanding defensive team and Marcus Smart was the DPOY and at Steph's position. - the Dubs never went to a 7th game

[@brushylake4606]

Tim Duncan has more championships than LeBron, two of which he won over LeBron, so what does that make Duncan?

[@AnthonyScott-j8c]

Steph had the best front office since…the 90s Bulls.

[@Alart28]

@AnthonyScott-j8c the best? Lol they left chips on the table, broke the Dynasty prematurely, AND has Never Ever won since. Great front office 😂😂🤣🧢🧢🧢

[@chrisfabian-maceda8754]

Lebum lost to jj brea and Jason terry

[@Locksmith92]

When I came to America in 1987 the blk kids would say 'Magic'..the other kids said 'Bird'..Then everybody would say 'Jordan'...Then everybody started saying KOBE..Nobody ever made a shot and Said Lebron...Not in my 46 years of life and playing ball...and I like LeBron as a human for his school and his family.

[@Tankstheguy]

He didn't build the school he made donations and computers in his old neighborhood

[@Locksmith92]

@@Tankstheguy nice..he aight..

[@Travis89-ob5tt]

Excellent response video you picked that clown apart beautifully, well done. 👍

[@yournumberonepal]

Dudes right! Magic, Clyde, and Barkley were no Jason Terry. 💥🤣

[@toddpace4588]

Or JJ Barea 😅

[@DesmondDaddy]

Well said dude! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mirzahodzic4399]

Don't Forget aging Jason Kidd and JJ Barrea.

[@MaskHeroLife2332]

Don't forget kevin Durant

[@RobMac-ld2ll]

Lol

[@solemagus4761]

“ What Kind of World are we becoming when L’s mean more than Dubs? 😂😂😂 - Jeff Van NonBronsexual

[@georgewinbush4309]

You got me the dumbing down of America

[@solemagus4761]

@@georgewinbush4309it’s so gross bro 😂 it’s like seeing a fighter where one guy gets obliterated on points.. and scores the biggest gaps between rounds and gets knocked down several times in the fight.. only to be announced as the winner and Hold the Belt 😂😂 - This is bronsexuals like GLK and FYF debates..

[@MrSmitty1074]

You can't fix stupid.

[@Dutch_Rudder]

Democrat America: men are women, too

[@goodguyscomelast2029]

Jeff van gundy says lebron is the goat btw

[@andredeon600]

That guy needs to stop smoking crack

[@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401]

That.....or just admit he's too far gone and just start smoking double.

[@anthonyphifer3217]

What did he say was wrong?

[@VikashAgarwal-di3mz]

Did you even watch the video?

[@shaunphillips3236]

​@@anthonyphifer3217 He was a CASUAL

[@Chuck_EL]

6'4" Charles Barkley dunking on 7'2" Mutumbo was badass

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Uncut Hoops has the best researched arguments around. My favorite bball channel

[@djstillnice5075]

Thanks for doing your research and keeping receipts. I love this channel!!!!!

[@zalgradis6269]

What debate? Isn’t it universally known MJ is the GOAT?

[@King4blue0]

Idk now a days more people are calling lebron the goat

[@JeremyGraczyk]

​@@King4blue0 No they're not. The sports media is trying to make this argument because they benefit from their association with Klutch Sports. Fans don't. Sorry 😞

[@alfasiger4178]

@@King4blue0 No they're not. Its only generation Z whose never seen Jordan. The world never gave lebron goat title.

[@baimun]

@@King4blue0 @zalgradis6269 Too many young bucks that grew up watching Bron and never saw Jordan's evolution or the way each year he would expand upon a skillset... defense, jump shooting, playmaking, etc... leaving each of his opponents staggered and saying "He has no weaknesses!". I've never seen any other athlete so consistently WILL his team past obstacles over and over and over.

[@simonhowell4486]

​@@baimun What you just wrote also describes LeBron's career.

[@marcmata5574]

Stupid people are often loud. It's the only way people will listen to them.

[@MrSmitty1074]

negative energy

[@LSTORMTheMC]

Screaming A Smith, Gil, 🍆 Wright, This orange shirt turd🙃

[@jbm421]

If 6-0 mean nothing, the 4-6 means less.

[@allpraisestothemosthigh9418]

Since when is 40% a passing grade?!?

[@RedPhill24]

Not to mention 4-6 after teaming up with the universe.

[@raphaelhilliard1160]

@@RedPhill24 and swept twice 😅

[@Ace-vf2uf]

@@raphaelhilliard1160#Damn!

[@j.m.flemmingii]

🎯💯

[@roboninja3194]

Jordan: Faced the MVP or the player who finished 2nd in MVP voting five out of his 6 trips to the finals. Magic 2nd in 91, Drexler 2nd in 92, Barkley 1st in 93, Malone 1st in 97, Malone 2nd in 98. Lebron: Faced the MVP or the player who finished 2nd three out of his 10 finals trips. KD 2nd in 2012 and Curry 1st in 15 and 16.

[@derelljackson6056]

But they say he didn't play nobody 😂

[@ckyung1312]

Great breakdown and analysis. You destroyed that 🤡. Wish I could like 10Xs.

[@vudujl83]

they're doing themselves a disservice if they're trying to use this video as the definitive case for propping up LeBron

[@christianmorgan5956]

How do people make the win lose argument with MJ and LeBron. MJ in his 13 playoff appearance won 6/13. MJ is damn near 50% in win-loss in playoff performance. Lebron is 4/17 with SUPERTEAMS. Also Lebron James from 2011-18 only beat one 1st team all-NBA performer in a WEAK ass Eastern Conference which is a joke

[@chhansen9813]

Wtf are you talking about!

[@reptileloverreptile-vt6fd]

Even in those losses, he averaged high 20s ppg the season and sometimes 30 ppg the season, like he wasn’t trash then it was his team that loss to the bird Celtics and the bad boy pistons

[@wizmanballin8498]

@@chhansen9813he said..Lebron some gump chump pork roast.

[@showofhands8214]

​@@chhansen9813 He's giving another example of why LeBron is not in Jordan's realm

[@stephordless8876]

@@chhansen9813 he’s talking about factual details 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Wu_36]

Had a disagreement with my 60yr old uncle the other day about MJ and Bron. The topic was championships and finals appearances. He said “rings don’t matter” in which I replied that “finals appearances don’t matter either.” I then asked what’s the point of playing a professional sport if winning the chip isn’t your goal? Needless to say he then got loud and dismissive after realizing that he crushed his own narrative about how Bron was greater for being in more finals than MJ…

[@stephordless8876]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

CURRY > LeSteroids I can name 11 players better than LeSteroids.

[@brianharron3435]

@@Wu_36 well taking a less talented team there at a young age is different

[@Wu_36]

@@brianharron3435 is it though? Was young Jordan’s Bulls team as talented as young Lebrons Cavs? Who had a tougher division and conference to play in? Or is that irrelevant to your point?

[@americasteam2112]

Yup that’s why Bill Russell is the goat.

[@86twin]

The 98 Jazz were no joke. They had the same 62-20 record as the Bulls, but had the head to head tie breaker with a regular season sweep. They went 31-5 after the all star break. Swept the lakers while the bulls were taken to 7 games vs pacers in the eastern final. The bulls were underdogs in that finals.

[@metaviewx2091]

Yep … and they were favored to win it all. I remember the news, emphasizing how stoic they were as they headed to the finals. No celebration at all-all business.

[@mikekinzel4017]

Shawn Kemp should be a Hall of Famer and it's f****** ridiculous that he's not

[@stephengenneis5200]

But that was More of a franchise heeckup

[@wc4201]

LeBron arguments are hilarious because it usually involves made up stats like: “Bron should have 3 DPOY’s” “Bron could have 20 scoring titles if he wanted” “Bron never has any all-stars on his team” “Bron title against the Warriors have more value than any of Mikes titles” Brons title against the warriors counts for at least 3 title!”

[@nine3seven]

You forgot the crazy "Bron 2016 chip is worth 2 rings!" 🤣😂🤣

[@brandocalrissian3294]

@@nine3seven and their only excuse is because the sorry ass city of cleveland hadn't won a championship in any sport in 50 years. basically, people are dumb.

[@tomjudge7920]

Jordan only played with one all star Pippen .... LeBron has played with 15

[@japspec96]

Shawn Kemp not being a HoFer is crazy to me

[@scottb3034]

if his career didn't fall apart after seattle he would be. and probably top 75.

[@MrJoshbaby1]

That just goes to show how great the level of basketball was back then by who isn't considered a hall of famers.

[@George-i7p]

Swear

[@jtremaine23]

He's on my all underrated team. He should be a HOF-er. What's interesting is he had his highest scoring average with Cleveland, not Seattle.

[@Nofunleaguesportschannel]

Jordan the goat sorry lebalco fans ☠️

[@frandonfrank10]

Well sorry clown it doesn't work like that, you have to actually put an argument forth

[@ptown24]

😂😂😂😂Lebalco

[@adamm2787]

The difference is, Jordan still won. You can make all the arguments you want...Jordan didn't face this, Jordan didn't face that...But Jordan won...Six times...Lebron lost six times.

[@derelljackson6056]

Speak them facts 👏 that's all that matters no excuses.

[@Codesta]

He says “ You ain’t going to win by yourself”, and then proceeds to say “Paxson, Kerr, and BJ taking big shots”. So now he criticizes MJ for feeding his teammates. Is this guy mentally stable?

[@celestialdemon1316]

"They had to get multiple Hall of Famers to take down LeBron." He never once mentioned that LeBron's team always had multiple HOFers to begin with. Aside from himself, the Heat had Wade, Bosh, and Allen. The Cavaliers had Irving and Love. Lakers had AD and Dwight. So, LeBron can get all the HOF help he needs, but if anyone else gets the same help and beats him, then that's unfair.

[@2Good2BeTrue45]

😂😂😂 these Bronsexuals are absolutely insane

[@lilm2k4]

@celestialdemon1316 Man for real... they always bring up, that it was unfair when Durant went to the Warriors and beat him but him going to Miami and win doesn't seem to bother them at all

[@andrewmauney3082]

Rondo too

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

He had Big Z, Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Shaq, Antwaun Jameson, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Love, Kyrie, Jr Smith, Derrick Rose, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Anthony Davis. He's played with more OLYMPIANS than any player in nba HISTORY.

[@crizzleyo815]

u do realize that lebron will have faced 20+ HOF when its all set and done? that we even have to talk about the balance betweens mj and lebrons competition. when lebron left the cavs they went last place, and the 2nd time he left back to back last place. when mj left the bulls they made the conference finals without him and mj stans try to tell me he left the championship dna there xDDDDD mjs rings were are a pure cakewalk. bird and magic got old. his team got stacked. all he had to do was score and guard jeff hornacek. what did lebron have to do? literally become the smartest most complete player ever.

[@Jcage22]

"6-0 means nothing" i cant imagine what 4-6 means😂 Lebron isnt beating any of Mjs finals comp. Mj is beating all of Brons. except MAYBE GSW in 17-18

[@moonwalker1298]

And even the Warriors are a stretch when I saw Harden and a hurt CP3 take them 7 games and the Pat Bev/Lou Williams Clippers take them 6....but MJs Bulls couldn't have beaten them?? LOL

[@gabrielmurray929]

Actually the 2017 Warriors were the better team based off that year's playoffs.

[@dikarilee4975]

@@gabrielmurray929cut it out

[@jaredamiker7321]

He would've went to the Celtics or Super Sonics

[@dominicharris5489]

now you are talking out of your ass. lakers without kareem and an injured byron scott and james worthy? a suns team with no defense and ONE superstar? lmao gary payton and shawm kemp? an old ass karl malone and stockton? please stop talking nonsense. lebron would destroy all of them

[@moonwalker1298]

Lebron stans "case" is only based on 1) trying to denigrate other greats, their competition, and his own teammates to make him look better rather than his career just standing on its own merits and letting others stack up to it and 2) "longevity" which is purely from PEDs so I ask....what case does he really have?

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

BINGO. Zero case. He aint better than Curry or Kobe or Duncan, heck, I STILL think KD is a better PLAYER than LeSteroids.

[@MR.__G]

It’s hilarious to me how they argue everything but the actual game itself. They can’t explain how lebron “plays” basketball better.. the guy is no where near jordan fundamentally, let alone mentally / skill wise

[@BrandinBoyd36]

​@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270kd had super team his whole career without curry he would have 0 rings

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

CURRY > LeSteroids I can name 11 players better than LeSteroids.

[@Robss_]

Delusional 💀

[@alejandrobarrionuevo9957]

'that' HAD TO BE THE MOST IGNORANT NBA FAN I EVER HEARD , who OBVIOUSLY had NOT done ANY RESEARCH on the era that he OBVIOUSLY NEVER SAW

[@imsljr420]

Look how old he is...He obviously even saw the Magic BIrd era, He just has an opinion that Lebron is better.

[@suntansuperman26]

Lol man said ‘93 Suns wasn’t no competition. If we compare them to the ‘16 Warriors, Suns had 4 15+ ppg scorers, Barkley 27 ppg, KJ 17 ppg, Marjerle 17 ppg and Dumas 15 ppg, Warriors had 3 15+ ppg scorers, Curry 22 ppg, Thompson 19 ppg and Green 16 ppg

[@roderickwhite6088]

Facts

[@trick0502]

Wait wait wait a minute. Did he say the sonics beat no one in 95 and they were a trash team? Hmmmmm, anyone remember that “great” run lebron went on to get to the finals in 2007 finals? He gets all that credit for taking a team to the finals (and losing)? Who did he beat? No one.

[@d.e.jchung777]

They know nothing about basketball they jus repeat what they hear other main stream bronsexuals say 😂

[@andrewmauney3082]

Exactly. The 1st 2 rds were against losing teams

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

@@andrewmauney3082 And Detroit DIDN'T HAVE BEN WALLACE and was on their last legs.

[@MR.__G]

@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270lebron has a losing record against hof bigs in the playoffs. Ben Wallace 0-1, Duncan 1-2, KG 2-2, Dwight 0-1, Dirk 0-1, Joker 1-2. That’s a 4-9 record for a 44% win rate ! And Jordan played in a era full of hof bigs so just imagine how much more lebron would’ve struggled in the 90s

[@cnelsonlv99]

If their argument was valid, they could stand proudly on the truth, instead of ALWAYS shoveling lies!

[@bGzzzzz]

What’s funny is Magic Johnson has been to just as many finals, won more and has more individual accolades in a SHORTER period of time 🤷‍♂️

[@PioVincentFelia]

2016 finals Curry 22.6ppg 4.9rpg 3.7apg Thompson 19.6ppg 3rpg 1.9apg Green 16.5ppg 10.3rpg 6.3apg 1993 finals Barkley 27.3ppg 13rpg 5.5apg Johnson 17.2ppg 3rpg 6.5apg Majerle 17.2ppg 8.2rpg 3.7apg These dudes just all bark and no research.

[@Robss_]

This is a bad argument tbh. Implying that they’re equally good just because of their similar numbers is such a simplistic way to compare players. Do you really think that Barkley, Jhonson and Majerle are as good as Curry, Klay and Draymond? 3 of them showed to be able to be the core of a dynasty, the other 3 never even came close to that.

[@Minamino_Shuichi]

​@@Robss_ Probably because they ran into THE dynasty. The argument that they are weak is nonsensical, Jordan's team was just too strong at that time. He is the centerpiece of the best Dynasty in basketball, that is worth more than trying to beat a dynasty. For Goat debates you are measuring winning basketball, not "who had it harder" basketball. Jordan is the reason why the greatest players of all time didn't win in the 90s. Lebron gave Dirk a ring, he was not even a factor in 2019, and the Spurs with TD took 2 from him. MJs loses within the 90s came from playing baseball, if MJ didn't retire, we would not be looking at Olajuwon in the same manner. That is what MJ is. The fact that you're saying Barkley's suns is worse than No Durant GSW is because of the Jordan effect.

[@Robss_]

@@Minamino_Shuichi bro why did you turn that into the goat debate? No matter how you spin it, those 3 players are no where near as good as Curry Klay and draymond together. The only one at their level is Barkley

[@trick0502]

Dominique Wilkins summed up Pip the best, "he is the ultimate role player". If you think about it, he's right. He is the the ultimate ROLE player.

[@markmittens]

This is where the Jordan fans become just as delusional as the LeBron fans you have to discredit Scottie to assign more credit to Jordan.

[@MR.__G]

Yessir !! He is the best robin of all time

[@Robss_]

A role player? When Jordan left in the 1993-1994 season Pippen finished 3rd in the race for the MVP and he was all nba first team AND all defensive first team. Calling him a role player is plain disrespectful.

[@MR.__G]

@@Robss_ and then he choked in the semis vs the Knicks. A team the bulls never lost to when Jordan was there. He couldn’t buy a bucket in the 4th quarter of that series and he even quit on his team when Phil gave the last shot to Toni, despite pip bricking the last 2 shots. After that season the bulls were in 6th place heading into the all star, pip wanted a trade and he was pointing at his Jordan’s basically begging for him to come back. They gave him the keys to a dynasty while he was in his prime and he proved he couldn’t be the driver. I would agree to not call him a role player. He’s a robin, a sidekick, nothing more, nothing less.

[@Robss_]

@@MR.__G at least you agreed on the fact that he wasn’t a role player. But I still think that you’re underrating him, he was the second most important piece of that Bulls dynasty. And just like Pippen needed Jordan to win, Jordan needed Pippen to win too.

[@potenteon2028]

Real Debate is MJ makes his teammates better. LeBron runs to better teams and doesn’t make them better (why he need to trade everyone or threaten to trade?)

[@liumatt2874]

Because he has no patience or the leadership to actually grow and develop with other players, he wanted them ready to go and follow his " system ", and you don't fit or won't cooperate, you are out of the team.

[@d.c.thirtythree7752]

Great video Uncut Hoops, I don’t know how old you are but you are spot on. I’m 48 years old I watched every Bulls game while Jordan was there.

[@SugarCookie03]

Haha that was gold when he dissed on the Glove then the clip of old Gary Payton on Lebron James shoots an airball. hahahaha

[@donjuanismo]

Another timeless video, disproving the fallacies. Great work dude. Much respect to you

[@USUE_Collxn]

I miss nineties basketball

[@itznotdatserious99]

I feel exactly the same way. I feel like we were spoiled in the 90s.

[@kingbambino22]

I miss 80's basketball. Way better than 90's. 80's NBA was its peak. It started declining after

[@alanjones4683]

Went to UNC with Jordan ( grew up on UNC, Charlie Scott, Coach Dean Smith and all the brothers! - you KNOW I miss it terribly!l)😂

[@sportsnfitnessrants]

Let’s roll UnCut!!! These fools embarrass themselves!! They refuse to live in reality!! 🤝🏾

[@RiseAboveAnything_]

These guys get on camera and talk nonsense it’s sad if Jordan was loosing to all those teams in the finals he would never hear the end of it bro smh MJ 3 peated twice lebron never 3 peated smh

[@mikelowrey__]

Dude killed his own argument a few times in his “rant”…and he’s an old head speaking like this about the 90’s!

[@mvolpe998]

The 1996 Sonics won 64 games. That's probably the most combined wins in the NBA finals. Bulls won 72 games.

[@scottb3034]

@norsemustang it still is a top 20, closer to top 15 and is tied with the 97 jazz. By the same token they are in the top 10 for teams with most wins to not win the title and 4th among teams to make it to the finals and lose. All this to mean that the 96 and 97 sonics and jazz are two of the top 4 teams to finish as runner-up.

[@jjlebrams4421]

Portland, Phoenix, and Utah were great teams that lost to Jordan's Bulls. They had great offense, defense, bench, and clutch players. They just didn't have Jordan, who was on another plane when it comes to winning high pressure championship games. If you were alive and aware in the 90s then this goes without saying.

[@DexterTheEducator]

You Cooked this Lying Lefraud disciple!!! Great Video!!!

[@RDJCisneros-uf2vi]

*I HAVE TO HURT THIS POORLY UNEDUCATED MAN'S FEELINGS: LEBRON JAMES LOSING 6 TITLES AND GETTING OUTPLAYED BY JASON TERRY A BENCH PLAYER 🤕 WHO AVERAGE 18 POINTS PER GAME WHILE LEBRON JAMES AVERAGE 17.8 POINTS PER GAME 🤯, MICHAEL JORDAN WINNING 6 TITLES AND 6 MVP'S, 10 SCORING TITLES AND 9 DEFENSIVE TITLES PLUS NEVER WENT TO 7 GAMES ON ANY FINALS 😎💯🥇🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆MJ THE G.O.A.T.* 👀

[@PuhiPureBloOdYT]

The only argument needed for that clown is 100% > 40%

[@goodguyscomelast2029]

11 rings

[@michaelperez3720]

​​@@goodguyscomelast2029nobody consideres russle a goat 🤡🤣🤣🤣 thats just a dumbass argument lebron fans make to try to prop him up which never works

[@americasteam2112]

Bull Russell must the goat since he has 11.

[@LowValueMan]

@@goodguyscomelast20292011 finals automatic disqualification clamps! Jordan never quit like a loser in the finals. One of the worst finals performances LeBalco 99th all time.

[@LegendGamer-dj8om]

@@goodguyscomelast2029he didn’t mention count.

[@Kashed]

Never listen to someone wearing pumpkin.

[@engelmann82]

😂😂😂

[@RichardRennes]

Or claps their hands like a 6 year old. Or screams like a little girl while wearing their pants around their knees(the child). Or calls white people "niggas". Or says Lebron won 8 times already, when it was only 3-4(depending if you actually count the bubble where 1/2 the top players in the league actually played in). Or says Armstrong(who averaged for his career 23.8 mins a game and 9.8pts a game), Paxton(who averaged for his career 22.4 mins a game and 7.2pts a game) and Kerr(who averaged for a career 17.8 minutes a game and 6 points per game, WHILE averaging WAY UNDER ONE MADE THREE PER GAME) are "money".

[@bnsz8704]

Reminds me a lot of people downplaying the 2023 ring. People saying Denver didn’t play anyone. But the Suns were favored by everyone. 🤔

[@chucknorris2418]

It'll be the same people who brings up the consecutive Finals in the East but never seem to bring up that he was getting damn near bye weeks or were the likes of the Hawks or Raptors were supposed to be a threat? 😂 then he goes to the west grindhouse and immediately gets clapped.

[@drosales43]

He weaked his competition in the East! Shuffled players Cleveland than bailed, took Raptors top guy, took Boston 3rd guy, and the team just accumulated talent from there

[@bornaseki4195]

When he goes and names every player and says they were trash without any substance... I mean how can you argue with that.

[@jokersinurface]

One of Bron's titles was in a bubble and doesn't count to most fans. LeBron is the first guy who needs so much help to win its crazy. They want to discredit Jordan so much yet their arguments fall flat.

[@potenteon2028]

2011 will forever disqualify LeCheat

[@AggravatedMan365]

They never want to talk about that

[@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212]

LeWon'tCompete 😂

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

Or the fact that he ran away to the West the same summer the Raps got Kawhi. LeFlop knew LeBronto would be erased if he stayed.

[@TheJohnWick1]

Yall are so sorry 🤣🤣, Yes, 2011 happened, it was his lowest point but he's been legendary ever since 🤷, Say what you want to make yourself feel better at the end of the day, the man's accomplished everything you can in basketball, I'm a lebron fan but I can admit i believe Jordan is the goat, Yall don't have to diminish him to prove someone's better, if you believe someone's better just say it but throwing around 4-6 or 2011 proves nothing. Imo, he's top 5, If he's not in your top 5, cool, no problem, I just hope it's for basketball reasons and not cause you just don't like the guy.

[@mop2195]

He got his butt handed by an old dirk nowitzki especially him and wade know that thyere stacked coz they made fun of dirk

[@leptonparticle238]

People talk about the 94 Bulls still winning 55 gameswithout mentioning roster changes. They lost MJ but they acquired Toni Kukoc and Steeve Kerr, which is another great player and a decent role player.

[@mikepowell197633]

😂This youngster don't know what he's talking about😂 😂😂😂😂

[@102allenwalker]

Look at what the media started 🤦🏾 knowing damn well it ain’t no real debate with MJ and Lebron AT ALL and I’m a Kobe guy and grow up watching MJ and know ain’t no debate for Kobe or Lebron or anyone being over MJ

[@Ace-vf2uf]

The closest to MJ was Bryant and no one comes close to this day. Rest in peace to the legend Kobe ‘Bean’ Bryant.

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

Kobe was the closest. I have MJ: 1a (GOAT), and I have Kobe 1b, and then Bill Russell 2 (or 3). Kobe was the closest. No OBJECTIVE debate: it's MJ Kobe's top 2 ever IMO. LeSteroids isnt even in my top 20 when you factor in his CLEAR PED use.

[@ChanceyBoi-g4t]

Jordan's teams were also winning upwards of 65-70 games way more often than any Lebron teams

[@Chuck_EL]

And the bulls especially the 1995-98 bulls broke many records defensively points allowed until the 2003 pistons broke their record , record for steals that still stands

[@brianharron3435]

@@ChanceyBoi-g4t because there was expansion teams

[@MR.__G]

@@brianharron3435and what’s the difference from the league today being watered down with players who should’ve stayed in college because their games haven’t developed ? The lack of fundamentals is abysmal and the game is essentially a traveling 3 point contest. That’s what watered down sounds like

[@scottb3034]

@@brianharron3435 there still are expansion teams. in fact there have been expansion teams since the mid 60s... WOW

[@Wayne-qn6zo]

That's true he lost to Bird and Isaiah but once he got to the finals he never lost, big difference!

[@Ace-vf2uf]

That’s a fact.

[@MrSmitty1074]

Losing in the finals is worse than first round exits.

[@WavieCrockett-27]

The Jazz were old cause Malone and Stockton were 34 & 35 but how old was Mike and Rodman? 🫵🏾🤭 The ‘98 Bulls are still to this day the oldest team in NBA history to win a title 😂😂😂 15:33

[@MrFLUIZZLE]

Also a big difference, Mike was never a 20 year flopping whiner. Le Bron cries about EVERYTHING that doesn't go his way.

[@anthonyhernandez2111]

Jordan Fans: Speak actual facts that occured in history to back up their points (demonstrative to get the point accross) Lebron Fans: All emotion, no knowledge of what true overall basketball skill is. Use half ass based stats and fake facts to get their point accross

[@KommieKaze]

0:54 it took LeBron nine years to go and win his first championship, it took Jorden only seven. Also, Jorden learn the fact that it was a team sport because he won two straight three-peats with the bulls unlike LeCarry that only has four separate championships, three of which he had solid teams (the bubble championship doesn’t really count in my opinion). Also, we’re talking about LeBron who is the stat chaser so saying that Jorden didn’t know how to be a team player is a terrible take if you think lebron is a team player.

[@MrSmitty1074]

MJ had a great career with ONE team.

[@MR.__G]

And most importantly jordan won without running to a fmvp, a coach who had a ring as an assistant and an owner / former coach who won multiple titles ! Talk about cheating the game

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@MrSmitty1074that career is greater than levrons

[@MrSmitty1074]

@@tyronelorenzovalentio3414 MJ won six championships (2 3 peats) and five MVP awards in just 15 seasons despite retiring twice.

[@jalmain]

The only argument needed ever imo is 8 points in the finals. I could never let that slide from LeFrauds resume.

[@yp1c]

What about "the first player to ever avg a triple double in the finals"

[@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls]

@@yp1c He also lost the final he averaged a triple-double, so you might not want to bring that up.

[@Cpro969]

@@yp1cumm… jokic was .5 assists off averaging a triple double the whole playoffs. So is he the goat?

[@MR.__G]

@@yp1che’s also the 1st and only player to shoot 35% with 5 TO’s per game in the finals 😂😂

[@yp1c]

@@InverselyComplicated-ve3ls mj is the goat but he had nowhere near the finals comp lebron had

[@moneybagz7700]

I still haven’t seen a poll EVER that has LeBron over Jordan. They just be talking.

[@quesques3954]

I agree with everything you saying I'm a big Michael Jordan fan I don't know why people keep comparing LeBron and Michael Jordan there's no comparison in my eyes that's just my opinion😅

[@frankiefernandez9225]

Tell me in what sport does the goat have a lossing record in the championship ???

[@kingquince9184]

Facts over Feelings is a reason why this debate is ridiculous. Fact is Jordan is the GOAT! Why? His resume is damn near impeccable. Feelings is what Lebron fans go off of in this discussion.

[@deanrogers8273]

Amen brother. You said a mouth full. This delusion and ignorance of this guy is insane. Brother please go get some help. 6-0 don't mean anything. How many players that can claim that statistics

[@rakulnito]

Losing 6 finals makes you the goat? I have seen a video in AOH fan channel of a lady describing this kind of Lebum's fan and killing their narrative. It is a masterpiece

[@andrewmauney3082]

Jerry West made the Finals 9 times and Kobe 7 times but nobody says those 2 are better than Jordan

[@jeffreybonner6895]

Their arguments are always disingenuous and extremely creative. I don’t pay then any mind.

[@jussanerd]

LeFlop got clamped by Bruce Bowen and cooked by off the bench Jason Terry.

[@executioner13245]

dont forget when jorgambler got crassed by allen iverson 😂😂

[@jussanerd]

@@executioner13245but that's AI not some "nobody". At least he didn't get carried off the court by Juwan Howard because the FLOP KING had a cramp. 😭

[@MrRoda8143]

​@@jussanerddude can't even spell correctly lol. I swear, these LeBalco fangirls are something else

[@MrRoda8143]

​@@executioner13245wow, so clever of you to come up with that lame name. So what if the man loves to gamble? You think he's the only athlete who gambles? He's got the money for it lol. He's free to spend it as he pleases. And you forgot to mention what you LeBalco fangirls love to say, "LeBum's a great father." 😂😂😂

[@jussanerd]

@@MrRoda8143 there's definitely something in that powder LeBalco is tossing. Must be made from the same factory where Kanye gets his nitrous.

[@trick0502]

one last thing, how is kemp not a hof? i found this out a few months ago and couldnt believe it. we need to get him in there.

[@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212]

LeBron James went to the finals when the Eastern conference was at its weakest. Michael Jordan went to the finals when the Eastern conference was at its toughest. The difference between the two other than the fact that Jordan never lost a final, is that once Jordan figured out how to win a championship after losing in those playoff runs in his early career, he never stopped winning championships. It's almost like Michael Jordan saw the obstacle and said "you know what? I'm gonna get back in the gym" And LeBron saw the obstacle and said "you know what? I'm taking my talents to South Beach" 😂😂😂

[@Reaper13-hi3yo]

This isn't true at all. MJ went to the Finals in the 90's, not the 80's. The 80's were much better than the 90's in the East. Great point Wooden lmao

[@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212]

@@Reaper13-hi3yo I never said MJ went to the Finals in the 80s. I said their was so much talent in his conference that he had to build a team around him and when he got to the finals, he won and never lost. The point is, he never cheated the game like lebron did. Are you this dense?

[@Reaper13-hi3yo]

@@thesentinelsfootballchanne3212 You said MJ went to the Finals when the East was at its toughest. That is entirely false. Your point is wrong.

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@Reaper13-hi3your lying again

[@DrkMegaman]

I enjoy hear the debunk from ppl that is basied. Make the conversation more realistic

[@HunterofMadness]

Why can't LeBron and his fans just be happy with what he's got. He has had a great career compared to most players but compared to mj, kobe, kareem, magic and bird he has been weighed, measured and found wanting.

[@alejandrobarrionuevo9957]

'LEBRON' GOT HIS ASS WHIPPED 17 OUT OF 21 YEARS!

[@omarharris4758]

You forget to mention that Jordan is older than Malone more than a year and same age as Stockton just a month apart 😂

[@brushylake4606]

So, by this guy's logic, Tim Duncan is 2-1 against LeBron in the finals, so I'll just argue that Tim Duncan is the goat.

[@nine3seven]

Tim Duncan WON MORE! Winning matters 💍💍💍💍💍 > 💍💍💍 *💍

[@davidelsea1296]

When they try to use the look who Jordan played against as some sort of proof of something is wild lol. They didn't look like competition because they are comparing them to Jordan, where as Lebrons excuse is look at the level of competition he played against, which means lebron isn't good enough to rise above it.

[@jamridd14]

In 92-93, the Bulls coasted that season because they were coming off 2 championship runs, and MJ and Scottie also played in the 1992 Summer Olympics so that contributed to the fatigue that they faced. In 93-94 when MJ retired, the Bulls signed a lot of the key players they would contribute on the second 3 peat team, and they still had the key players from the first 3 peat team, so Scottie played with a combination of the best players on both 3 peat teams in 93-94 minus MJ and Dennis Rodman, and if MJ played, that probably would’ve been their best team because that would’ve been their deepest roster.

[@jamridd14]

There’s plenty of teams that was successful after an all time great player left or retired. So using MJs retirement in 1993 is pointless. There’s a reason why teams run systems and why the draft is so important. The system gives players roles and responsibilities based on physical attributes and skill sets, and coaches and GMs find guys that fit their system through the draft and free agency. LeBron’s teams don’t do that because they don’t run a real system, and they can’t build through the draft because he has no patience, and since free agents don’t want to willingly play with him, his teams have to trade future draft picks away for veteran players, then those players get paid along with LeBron so when he leaves, the team is in salary cap hell, and they can’t rebuild through the draft and that’s why the organization falls apart when he leaves. In Kareems last year with the Bucks, they won 38 games. In the following year, they won 38 games without him. In Kareem’s last season with the Lakers, they won 57 games, and the following season, they improved to 63 wins without him. In Magic Johnsons lasts year with the Lakers, they won 58 games. The following year, they won 43 games but they still made the playoffs without him and lost to the Trailblazers. In Larry Birds last season with the Celtics, they won 51 games. The following year, they won 48 games and still made the playoffs without him. And the Celtics would’ve been good in the 90s, but they unfortunately lost Reggie Lewis and Len Bias. And in Tim Duncans last year with the Spurs, they won 67 games. In the following season, they won 61 games without him. Those are some examples of teams still being successful after their all time great player left or retired. Its an indictment on LeBron that his teams fall apart when he leaves or isn’t on the court.

[@jamridd14]

Jordan was 33 & 34 when he played the Jazz in the Finals. The Bulls was also old. And everyone that MJ beat in the Finals, they were around the same age as the Bulls. The Sonic were a younger team. With MJ, you can’t say that he beat a team that was precocious and got there too soon or was mentally fragile like you can say with LeBron when he played OKC in the Finals, or was beating on teams like the Raptors that was lead by a mentally fragile DeMar DeRozen and Kyle Lowry and a young Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown lead Celtics team.

[@stealths15]

So, MJ got lucky 6 times that all teams on those years are not good?! Do this guy even know how to think?

[@bygeorgehemayberite8385]

LBJ Stans lack b-ball IQ, & it shows by just stating things that either aren’t true or simply lacks zero context.

[@suntansuperman26]

They lack iq in general. Never understood playing longer while having less accolades is a good thing. Still don’t understand LeBron jumping around playing avengers with other team’s stars is better than developing your help to win. Sad part is he been doing all that and only could scrap up 4 rings

[@MrSmitty1074]

@@suntansuperman26 It's about being competitive. MJ thrives on competition. He had great success with one team. He wanted to beat the best.

[@bents59]

Didn't even talk about the teams he had to play just to get to the finals. Do that one 😆

[@ilyakats54]

Yeah, the East was terrible

[@MrSmitty1074]

@@ilyakats54 hot trash

[@AfrikanCaesar]

I love how LeBron gets to stack a team to win, but the moment he loses to a "stacked" team LeBron fans argue as if the league had to conspire together in order to stop him. Lol

[@Ben-zr4ho]

Talking about MJs competition or him losing to the all time Celtics and Pistons when LeBron didnt win anything until year 9, choking the whole way and it took an all time superteam to go 2-2 and it took an all time shot by Ray Allen to not go 1-3. He scored 8 points and made Jason Terry like like MJ in a vitak Finals game. In his prime. Name another great that did that in a Finals in their prime. Bragged about 8 championships then had the gall to say that he was over performing to even get to the Finals and that he needed more help and basically implied he was carrying the Heat.

[@Ben-zr4ho]

And exactly what era did LeBron dominate? We never had a Kobe LeBron rivalry despite the league doing everything to try and make one because LeBron never showed up big against Kobe in regular season games and couldn't get to the Finals, couldn't even beat the Magic. He didn't do well against Steph at all. The Lakers years... Well he's lucky to have the bubble "championship." Hasn't done much otherwise. THAT team not good enough? Hes got a top 75 player. Just like MJ did in Pippen. First it was the 60s was a plumbers era. Then the 70s. Then the 80s. Now the 90s. Pretty soon players from the 2000s making 100 million are going to be called "plumbers."