LeBron James vs. Michael Jordan | HEATED DEBATE! 🔥

In this Patreon episode the guys are joined again by Melyssa Ford and Indianapolis Colts linebacker Zaire Franklin. They all get into the most discussed debate right now.. LeBron or Jordan. Me personally, I’m team LeBron and Zaire and Joe take turns crackin muffin after muffin on Ish. Who y’all think is the best NBA player of all time? Leave it in the comments
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[@CapitalColosseum]

“Y’all ain’t gotta argue over me like y’all co-parenting “ 😂😂😂

[@tdavidson31td]

That was hilarious 😂 😃 😄 😁

[@sammygulley7204]

Funny as shit!!!!!!

[@TheSet6145]

THIS LINE

[@clintonmartinez4153]

😂😂😂

[@SergioRamos-ir7mi]

“Im a adult now” lmao

[@MistahUnknown]

Before rodman signed with the Bulls, rodman was a... - 2 time all star - 2 time champion - 2 time All NBA player - 2 time DPOY honoree - 7 time All Defensive team - 4 time rebounding champion Now, I'm no expert but wouldn't that have made him a "Hall of Very Good" player … if not a Naismith Basketball Hall of Famer? And what does having those accolades mean for him if we go by the "he wasn't a starter" narrative?

[@tdavidson31td]

How come how good Rodman was only applies when he joined Jordan but doesn't apply when he played on loaded Pistons teams that were beating Jordan?

[@MistahUnknown]

@@tdavidson31td Who ever claimed that? Lol. His greatness applies to both.

[@marcmason165]

@@tdavidson31td WHO SAID THAT?

[@tdavidson31td]

@sixnine80entertainment I just never hear ppl say that team had Zeke, Dumars, Rodman, Mark Aguire, Vinny "Microwave" Johnson etc as if that team wasn't stacked beating and eliminating Jordan and a bunch mediocre players.

[@tdavidson31td]

Adrian Dantley and Mark Aquire are both 20+ ppg game scorers for their career but that Pistons team wasn't stacked?

[@duraglamar]

Joe know how to push Ish buttons

[@kingtaylor9362]

And ish let him do it. 🤣

[@GabeCerebro]

He just be producing lmao

[@SayWhat336]

Joe Push Buddens

[@DP-fo4cm]

Reason why Jay murdered the beat of his best song.

[@kingtaylor9362]

@@DP-fo4cm because Joe knows how to push ish’s buttons? What does Jay-Z have to do with this? 😂

[@Cyrusb13]

Rodman was literally a DPOY with the pistons💀💀

[@andrejamison2723]

After they won rings

[@RealLionJugz]

With the pistons

[@jamaalbethea_]

@@andrejamison2723 No, the last season they won he got DPOY.

[@francoperrotta4968]

Jordan won a DPOY ..Lebron never did that

[@Dhk4]

Jordan said himself that Ron Harper and Rodman were two of the toughest defenders he had to go up against. They both ended up on his team. He never had to leave to “join up” with other players because Krause was getting all the players for Jordan. Traded for Pippen, got Kukoc from overseas before overseas players were really doing their thing in the league, went through three different coaches till he found the right one in Phil, etc etc. Jordan didn’t need to leave because he had an organization that did what needed to be done. There’s a reason why Kobe almost left the Lakers in 07. If the front office doesn’t get the job done, you’d want to leave too.

[@TaybeenTrill248]

So so Jerry Krause was just getting hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley niggas in Jordan’s draft class to join up with him huh??? Top tier players huh???

[@michaelleon6211]

@@TaybeenTrill248 so Chris Bosh took the Raptors to the finals like Barkley did? D wade has been a MVP caliper player but already passed his prime when teamed up with LeBron. Scottie Pippen was MVP candidate when he led the Bulls to a 55 win season and Jordan teamed with him throughout Pippens entire prime.

[@hitking683]

​@@michaelleon6211 they got pip in the draft a rookie from a small school definitely not the same as teaming up with established all stars. MJ helped pip be great MJ was great before pip got there. The key free agent pick up was rodman. But ppl forget or just don't know at that time rodman was done nobody wanted him. It all worked out but definitely could have went the other way I think playing with MJ helped a lot with that too. Ron Harper lol was well past his prime injuries took his explosiveness away very solid but not close to a all star. 😂 People say anything to cap for lebron bring up kukoc really? He was cool nothing like they making out to be came nowhere close to his expectations never was a all star with bulls. I guess luc longley was a top 10 center as well? Don't even get me started on that garbage bench MJ had jud buchler, randy brown, bill wennington, even kerr was kind of overblown my lebron fans he was ok off the bench couldn't play d to save his life but did hit some big shots. I take nothing away from Phil but if his coaching career started with a team like the Cavs instead of bulls back then that whole narrative change. There no way most of the ppl talking like this actually watched basketball during that era. Joe Budden did but a lot of times he barely know what he talking about when it comes to rap, something he actually do so that tells me all I need to know 🤣

[@natch454]

That’s how you use salary cap properly

[@andremcclendon1220]

Why did teammate have to be matching so much in the goat debate? Jordan is clearly a better officensive and defensive player than lebron didn’t have deficiencies that LeBron has. The argument should come down to longevity versus peak. Talking about the competition they played doesn’t do any player justice, while LeBron face far better teams in the finals Jordan face far better teams in the playoffs. This is one of the worst arguments I’ve heard rivaling ESPN and FS1

[@DJ3DBoyie1]

Good ol barbershop talk.. 🤣 this debate will live on for eternity

[@kingtrawal]

Not really. There's really no debate. One game to win for your life, who is your #1 draft pick? If you pick LeChoke... you gonna DIE LOLLLLLLLL Because LeChoke is a loser.

[@patrickpage2389]

Not really LeBron relies on stats to be the GOAT land they crunched the stats and it still came up Jordan.

[@iamnaimtheartist]

Jordan the only player that makes losing in the playoffs better than losing in the finals…somehow

[@antwajuanparks7563]

But if you go to 10 finals in a 20 year career 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@nannerbf6498]

It is different… you can argue that Jordan never fell short in the BIGGEST moments. A play off series isnt the finals

[@georgeclooney6071]

The bigger the stage the bigger the lost.

[@Trap323a]

Preach!!!

[@coreyedmonds815]

SOMEHOW! 🤣 preeeeeeach

[@ACelloFella]

It's not just the 3 chips with 3 different teams that is great, it's the fact that he won the title with 3 different teams within 2 years of arriving, 2 of the teams going straight to the Finals the first year.

[@wesleycuban8649]

FMVP with every single one of them as week.

[@jramirez2068]

Yeah and lost 6 finals series 😂 and choked to dirk and Jason kid with Dwayne wade and Chris Bosh on your team 😭

[@ricardolozano5356]

choked against Jason Terry

[@washburn11000]

​@@jramirez2068 thank you. He had better players than Jordan ever did lol like wtf?? I dunno why ppl even debate this anymore. Jordan was on another level and Jordan didn't bounce from team to team and literally team up with other ALL STARS/SUPERSTARS even when he was losing in the playoffs. Not to mention LeBron plays in the softest era ever. Btw Jordans team was the juggernaut lol

[@Dennis-bu9gr]

Joe Budden is a MITCH! If joe budden saw lebron in person he,d run to the ladies room and fix his face

[@rougeau24]

Rodman averaged over 17 rebounds 3 different times with the pistons 😂

[@ricardolozano5356]

his best years where with the pistons

[@Vloneworld25]

Thank u

[@VonVBG]

And he won a defensive player of the year 😂😂

[@southernflavamaker]

And he won the 96 finals ....MJ SHOT LIKE SHIT, PIPPEN TOO....Dennis was rebounding like crazy

[@johnsondailysports1341]

He was balling lol

[@kjo2130]

Saying Chris Bosh was top 5 in the NBA is NASTY lmao

[@kjo2130]

@@brianjackson3031 Lebron Kobe Durant Dwight Howard Dirk Melo Paul Duncan Wade Pierce Rose Nash Amare He wasn’t better than a single player listed above.

[@kjo2130]

@@brianjackson3031 Nash averaged 17 & 11 on 50/40/90 while leading his team in the MUCH tougher west to 54 wins. You have to be trolling. Bosh couldn’t lead his team to the playoffs. He NEVER had a winning record in Toronto in the weak east.. This is laughable.

[@dezz8598]

@@brianjackson3031 nigga that is the season they all joined forces. He’s referring to the season BEFORE when Chris Bosh was a Raptor. Like what💀💀💀💀💀

[@dezz8598]

@@brianjackson3031 and you literally named TWO players on that list. Which implies you’re aware Chris Bosh was not a top 5 player, which was the point that was being made.

[@brandontilghman9610]

Rodman averaged the most rebounds of his career TWICE as a member of the Detroit Pistons. 18.7 and 18.3 RPG. He also played damn near 40 minutes per game in both of those seasons. TF is Ish talking about

[@bubbajaydee]

You do know when Rodman joined the bulls he was 35 and eventually came off the bench. He wasn’t in his prime at all

[@eseaun3652]

@@bubbajaydee thats not what he was addressing. lol. he was talking about before he came to the bulls

[@bubbajaydee]

@@eseaun3652 We can’t act like Rodman has ever been a top 25 player in the league though.

[@R4nk3rz]

@@bubbajaydee24 players make the all star game and dennis rodman was a 2x all star 😂 thats atleast 2 seasons where he was top 25 💀

[@gabewright6603]

Just stop rodman was on his way out the league before joining bulls but buddy said he watched last dance must ain’t see that part

[@shaunj4871]

I think it's wild how jordan defeated the nba Olympic team pretty much by himself but everyone thinks he got 6 rings because of scottie pippen and Phil Jackson.

[@Apollo0nline]

because he didnt get rings outside of scottie & phil . played 7 other seasons too

[@retrolifestyle2542]

Mike did it his self n forget that.....Mike still did what he did n lefraud picked out his rings

[@akeemalston7506]

He never beat Boston.

[@mical2great]

Best offense ever. Best coach and 2 top 10 defensive players all time is by himself

[@Nat_Turner10_8]

International basketball was not a competitor to America at the time. There were no good international teams it’s like he played a good college team. You can’t compare with international ball today. Think this shit out before you just say stuff.

[@anthonydexter3527]

This man said Dennis rodman wasn't Dennis rodman before the bulls.

[@blackbuddha7731]

This why I hate arguing with people who clearly didn't watch the games

[@ducatarina]

Dennis was one of the toughest defenders that Shaq played against, and this was before the bulls

[@DeEntertains]

Imagine

[@nbatalk714]

Alot of mj fans say these things to make it seem like mj made them great

[@broabc66]

Not only that. This man said Kevin love was the best big man in the game in Minnesota.

[@welcomefamilyhustletv]

This man said Kevin Love was the best big man in basketball 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

Just straight up lying to make your point! Lmao. And he said Bosh was top 5.. them guys weren't winning nothing if they didn't play with LeBron

[@marr260]

Lmaooo after he said bosh was top 5 I knew he was cooked 😭😭😭😭

[@jramirez2068]

Jordan was a better scorer and defender than lebron so what was Lebron better than jordan at? Passing the ball? 😂

[@welcomefamilyhustletv]

@@jramirez2068 LeBron could guard all 5 positions in his prime, Jordan used to get COOKED by Magic when he would try to guard him, LeBron is the all-time leading scorer now so how was Jordan a better scorer than him??? LeBron could have average 30 if he wanted to he just never made it a priority

[@jramirez2068]

@@welcomefamilyhustletv lebron is the all time scoring leader cause he’s played the longest, uh duhh. Jordan led the league in scoring ten years STRAIGHT. Lebron led the league in scoring once. Jordan averaged 30.1 points for his career and Lebrons average is 27.2 Jordan’s highest scoring average in one season was 37 and lebrons highest scoring average was 31. And jordan was in more all defensive teams and he led the league in steals 3 times which lebron never did even once AND jordan was defensive player of the year which lebron never was. So yeah keep dreaming kids, you people don’t know about sports or what you’re talking about. I don’t even need to mention that MJ won more championships because that is beside the point.

[@Pinzollo100]

No other two players are going to trigger such heated arguments about the GOAT debate in a long time. We were blessed to see them and we appreciate them both, what's important now is for the game to find another generational talent before Lebron goes

[@raymondsims7042]

Completely agree with that mate!!💯I think the “goat”debate is pointless tbh but lebron James and j were both phenomenal players🙏

[@wraithyoshidj6702]

Relax your g string playa Kobe is better than lebron

[@Pinzollo100]

@@wraithyoshidj6702 How do you compare two people with diametrically opposite approaches to the game, ring counting? One is a reputable selfish ball hogger, when the other always remembers it's a team sports and has always played to include everyone and still has amazing individual success

[@kyddopeness]

Messi and Ronaldo

[@burrybondz225]

cristiano and messi? the three tennis monsters nadal,fedderer and djokovic?muhammed ali and floyd mayweather?

[@lank465]

Dennis was back to back defensive player of the years with the pistons

[@Biglinekennel]

Scotty went 55-27 without Jordan and was eliminated in the conference semi finals to New York 3-4. The bulls were tough without Jordan.

[@danieldoerr7210]

What about the 94-95 season before jordan came back ? They were 34-31 and were in danger of missing the playoffs . When Mike came back they went 14-3 and made the playoffs

[@Biglinekennel]

We all know they needed Jordan to close but they wasn’t no scuba if Scotty had time to continue as number one odds they might have taken it.

[@dapperdon7063]

They got robbed in the Knick series

[@back2back379]

@@danieldoerr7210 Yeah they don't like to hear that. They also don't seem to realize that Scottie Pippen had one of the lowest statistical improvements for someone who was handed the keys to an offense. I mean, 22 PPG? Really? He had averaged 21 PPG just 2 seasons ago, and that's all he could muster despite getting the keys to the offense? And how about the drop in assists/g? What superstar player has a drop in asts/g when he's given the ball and the offense? Also people need to realize that the record did not entirely indicate how much worse the Bulls had actually gotten, they had significant drops in team statistics after Jordan left and were lucky to get that many wins. The 92-93 Bulls underachieved in record compared to their Net Rating, and the 93-94 Bulls overachieved in record compared to their Net Rating.

[@modousamba6545]

Most heated debate ever on LeBron and Jordan 😢

[@myfacemad]

Them basketball arguments get abnormally intense… RIP TakeOff

[@FERRARIBOIII2]

damn

[@nofreehooks]

Facts. It’s sad that dudes be this in they feelings about a game!

[@winningishalfthebattle154]

This is very nasty comment.

[@myfacemad]

@@winningishalfthebattle154 What part is nasty? The part where I told the truth or the part where I sent condolences to a brother?

[@FERRARIBOIII2]

@@myfacemad wasnt nasty dat shit real a nigga die ova sum dum shit like that smh

[@richyuh]

Scottie Pippen's 7 yr/19mil deal is an underrated part of the Bull's dynasty and being able to retain top level talent for multiple years.

[@andremoore7671]

Joe don't know basketball, he just knows how to argue lol

[@puncho8799]

Joe hates Jordan so he’s going to say whatever it takes

[@Rf201njfam]

Joe thinks just because words come out of HIS mouth, that's what make him right.

[@shakirhankerson3923]

@@puncho8799 just because he doesn’t think Jordan the goat don’t mean he hate Jordan

[@puncho8799]

@@shakirhankerson3923 If you go back 2 or 3 years ago when the last dance came out, I think Joe was on a show called state of the culture and he admitted that he just does not like Jordan for personal reasons he did not like the way Jordan treated his teammates, and he didn’t like the way Jordan didn’t endorse the black candidate going up against a white man Joe feels like Jordan is all about his self, and doesn’t care about anyone else so that sounds personal to me

[@IsaacClark23]

why y’all jordan fanboys so mad about the cold hard facts? joe knows exactly what he talkin bout lmfao y’all mj fangirls are delusional af😂🗑️

[@Rogelioespino2185]

Question when Phil started Coaching the Bulls how many rings did he have or did he became the greatest coach after he coached the Bulls with MJ

[@BigBall78]

People act like Phil had ten rings when he walked in the door. It’s a combination of both players, coaching and management

[@MelRivers]

He had 1 ring, and a completely new offense the league has never seen.

[@Rogelioespino2185]

@Mel Rivers he had no rings as a coach his first coach ring came with the Bulls. That doesn't mean he was already the greatest coach ever. That's my whole point people assume that he was already great coach when he got the HC with the Bulls

[@anelson603]

He became the greatest coach with Mike. I'm glad someone realizes that

[@malcolmmack4221]

Your statement is hella valid... but, winning a chip overseas in the spot he was at prepared him for NBA due to the extreme vitriol given for playing and or coaching a country verses your country. Basketball was like soccer in some cases not to talk your head off lol 2 as a player 1 as a coach I feel gave preparation.

[@1MoeDolla]

You don’t have to argue over me like ya co parenting 😂😂😂😂

[@purpdajerk89]

I died at that comment

[@nehemyahyisrael7170]

Gary payton THE GLOVE!!😂

[@shaunm9025]

"when did he lose?" had me😂😂😂😂

[@awilliekevinpaul3168]

..he was serious!😂

[@SergioRamos-ir7mi]

Ready to cry at that point 😂

[@tyleekruffin9402]

Rodman was 2 time defensive player and all star on the pistons 😂😂😂

[@robertmoss4210]

I’m an older guy that’s had the privilege of watching both careers. The biggest nod MJ has over Lebron is that in the moments when it mattered the most, MJ never let you down. Every great player lost in the playoffs, he may be the only one not to lose in the finals. That sticks with you as a fan.

[@terrence2396]

Jordan got swept in the first round though

[@fedeb727]

Bro, Jordan went over to play baseball, he was not consistent his whole career.

[@michaelhuber6405]

I was really let down by the bulls and Jordan in 95 tho. That was an embarrassing loss that forever gets swept under the rug.

[@Ape_In_His_Apex]

@@michaelhuber6405 you’re let down that a rusty MJ came back mid-season and got swept by a team that was ready? Finish that story and say what happened to Orlando when Mike came back and swept them the following year by going into training the day after he lost to the Magic for 4 months straight 6 days a week

[@HarlemPSGamer]

The moments when it mattered the most🤣 sure when his team was ready for that moment, what about him getting there early u know like LBJ at age 22 in just his 4th year in the league with a bench of nobody’s. Rather u have MJ or LBJ as your 🐐 u can’t go wrong. LBJ 🐐

[@hi.imgonner5813]

Phil Jackson and that organization were amazing at getting the role players MJ needed. It worked in Chicago and LA. Everyone learned their role and you were winning. People talk about pippen and rodman, Harper, etc. Still had Cartwright, Livingston, and Longly, and winning in an era where you had the Shaqs, Ewings, and Olajuwon. Lebron gets to play GM...and loses. Now I'm not saying he's not a goat, he's a goat who i feel tried so hard to be a goat, he shopped around for his Rings. Played GM lost, Left teams in shambles in doing so. MJ sat on one team and expected you to win. Won, gets shitted on....still makes billions of haters.....hasn't played in how long and is still relevant. Reason Lebron will never win over Jordan? You can't compare a great player to a culture guy. When is the last time you sang "I want to be like lebron .... Never" Then Lebron does Space Jam 2, after who? Stop Lebron has a #23 jersey. You lose.

[@BallerBrownsWorldMusic1]

Joe be capping for content sometimes. Lol

[@EmraldoDaSilva]

Haha it just amazes me. Michael Jordan brought such a different mentality to sports (NOT JUST BASKETBALL) and became so great that people got tired of hearing it. He came in to the NBA, played his heart out every time he stepped out, never sat out, and never traded teams just so he could to prove everybody that he was the best. Saying that winning 3 titles with 3 different teams are more impressive than going 6-0 proves my point. What if MJ teamed up with Pistons in 90, won 3 championships, and then went to play with Hakeem or Ewing for a couple of years and won another 4-5? If MJ would be that dude then being the "Michal Jordan" of something would not be a saying today. The fact that people use the phrase "He's the Michal Jordan of surfing" and you instantly know the meaning of it says everything about the greatest athlete of all time.

[@burrybondz225]

4 chips 10 finals is waaaay more impressive than 6 chips and 6 finals.

[@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725]

​@@burrybondz225no it isnt...

[@godsoulsukmadewa]

You go to Indonesia, almost all boomer espescially village boomer call every motorcycle as "Honda", even though it's a Yamaha or Suzuki. All waterpump, they'll call it as "Sanyo" even if the brand is Shimizu or something else. It's all about branding. "Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player" was the greatest advertisement ever from the 80's-90's. Started by Nike, a huge success. The others follow. That's something shoved into every oldheads brain, including me. When you Jordan worshippers talking about rings, back when Nike started the campaign he's still ringless. Imagine if back then we all can clap back through social media like today. "Swept by Pistons" "Where's your rings?" "Kareem got 6 rings". Those Air Jordan won't sell so much. But no. Noone talking about rings back then. The rings talk only started when Jordan's gone. Which is funny because then someone mentions Kareem, or Bill Russel, and the goalpost will be shifted to something else.

[@MrJbake17]

Rodman was DPOY and had rings before he went to the bulls

[@brianjackson3031]

Yea but for those championship teams on the pistons he did come off the bench. And prior to coming to the bulls he was on his way out the League

[@mobetta2092]

@@brianjackson3031Rodman was a starter in the 1989-1990 season. It was actually Mark Aguirre early in the season who was the starter who suggested to Coach Daly that Rodman start in his place if the Pistons had a chance of repeating. Coach Daly made the change and it energized the flow of the game….the Pistons beat Portland that year.

[@Trentbaldwin5822]

Wait hold on the bulls were went the conference back to back years without Jordan 🤣 and rodman was a 2 time dpoy and two time all star and one of the best rebounders and defenders in the league before going to the bulls he was an established dominant defender before going to the bulls 🤦

[@kingshottah4429]

@@brianjackson3031And he was still a dpoy idk why yall are stuck on him playing on the bench like that truly mattered

[@joejones3333]

Kevin Love was the best big in the game???!😂😂😂 how many playoff wins did Kyrie and love have before and after Lebron?👀

[@notthattactical]

Mel just sitting and looking at these grown men scream at each other 😐

[@derriusgooden7021]

Ish being an older person, not knowing that Rodman was HIMOTHY before he got on the bulls is SCARY! A lot of old heads be loud & WRONG

[@ThePlaybackRoom]

That’s literally the only thing they hold on to in these type of argument. “Oh back in my days” 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@joshuaporter5802]

D ROD averaged 18 rebounds per game twice with the pistons 😂 Ish dont know basketball

[@HotGritz910]

My friends and I used to get like this.. then getting older I realized it's stupid to compare era's and situations. We still debate but not with this type of energy.

[@BigMike_RTTV]

Yeah fr… What’s the point in arguing like this if we’ll never really know?… Jordan is too old now to lace them up so all we can do is wonder and imagine.

[@cinecraze6240]

If Jordan walk in the room these guys would groupie up quick riding the jock

[@kavid8120]

so would i.

[@richyd4762]

Just like a Jordan fan, true story but incomplete... They'd do the EXACT same to bron😂

[@mobetta2092]

And you’d do the same to then.

[@smokeabaguhthat5443]

One minute Joe says Jordan beat up on bums ,then next minute he says they were filled with superteams back then🤣

[@ThePulse2x]

he was talking about the 80s when it was the Lakers and Celtics and piston and then they got old

[@redskins2151]

Yeah he lost to all the 80s super teams lol. Then beat the bums in 90s. That's his point.

[@smokeabaguhthat5443]

@@redskins2151 that's ONE of his points but as most lebron groupies do they move the goal post to fit the narrative

[@jayhova_tha_god8162]

🤣🤣wright! He did!🤣

[@shurone8829]

That’s the exact reason why I said Joe is reaching, he don’t know what he’s saying.. Just trying to instigate a argument..

[@SW33T_Dr34M]

When ignorance manifests itself into physical form…bron fans appear

[@robertfoster6940]

😂😂😂😂

[@vernonharrison2488]

He said its more impressive than going 6-0 😂😂😂😂

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Because it is

[@vernonharrison2488]

@@sportstalkonly1442 yeah ok 😂

[@Amanda-ue6kk]

@@sportstalkonly1442lebron won 4. He’ll never top MJ

[@AveryB.0]

Rodman was 2x defensive player of the year, all star, and leading the league in rebounds BEFORE joining the bulls. Was still extremely dominant and best rebounder while with the Bulls. They gotta start googling during the episodes lol

[@LightUpDaBomb1]

But the question is with all that said why was he sitting at home and not already on a roster? Nobody wanted him, a great player of that caliber isnt just sitting at home waiting on a phone call. Jordan and bulls still deserve credit for taking a chance on him when nobody else would.

[@AnanseSavage]

He said Rodman didn't start .. none of them no ball .. Mark Aguirre sat on the bench for Rodman to start and the Pistons took off. The Bulls needed Rodman and it showed.

[@AveryB.0]

@LightUpDaBomb1 i believe he was traded to the Bulls for Purdue. The Bulls 100% deserve credit for getting him. My point remains they were a loaded team, especially the second 3 peat. And then you combine that with having the best player in the league in MJ, its no wonder they won 72 games in a season then 69 games the next year.

[@cel6682]

He was with Madonna and all over the news before He went to the Bulls.

[@cel6682]

@@AveryB.0 Ron Harper too.

[@ewww_we8833]

My only question about LeBron is why didn't he 3peat when he was in Miami

[@myfacemad]

10:09 Poor Mel LMAO

[@1MoeDolla]

Gotta pick ya fights 😂

[@productivecitizen2066]

Love these real heated discussions!!💯🔥💫

[@len6482]

Dude is like every MJ Keyboard lover but in person

[@LemonPepperStepper]

Joe is crazy. The Utah Jazz beat Kobe and Shaq, Tim Duncan and David Robinson and the Hakeem Rockets

[@brianjackson3031]

None of these guys know basketball

[@losangelesstreetnews]

rookie kobe that was his worse year FOH

[@brianjackson3031]

@@losangelesstreetnews that wasn’t Kobe’s rookie year it was his 2nd year. 97-98 jazz swept the lakers. Yea they were young but it’s still Kobe and Shaq. And that same spurs team won the title next year. Jazz were no joke the bulls just made them seem that way

[@losangelesstreetnews]

@@brianjackson3031 that laker team was still building. the jazz were already up

[@brianjackson3031]

@@losangelesstreetnews for sure

[@senseisaf2652]

Minnesota K Love had a 30pt 30 reb game, he def was that guy before Cleveland

[@isadoreblumenfeld4679]

Absolutely, but he was never the best big in the game.

[@TheBiggestFleeet]

And didn't get nowhere

[@senseisaf2652]

@@TheBiggestFleeet literally wasn’t the point. From 2011-14 he was avg 23 and 12 and was def a top 5 pf in that time, how far his team went is irrelevant.

[@thehumannugakareemsupreme9484]

Not the best big, not at all

[@PlaystationWPLY]

When you're the #1 option on the team, you'll look like "that guy", same with Bosh in TO. Where was "that guy" when Bron left?

[@YoutubesFinestPR]

JBP Fans Let’s Go! More clips coming!

[@yoboyspadeii1963]

Any player who can make it to a Finals TEN Times in their career with DIFFERENT player and sometimes CONSECUTIVELY, deserves some RESPECT...👑💪🏿🏀♑

[@malonin6973]

The Buffalo Bills went to 4 straight Super Bowls....QB Jim Kelley should be in the G.O.A.T conversation?!

[@crowing3886]

Yall want participation trophies soo bad.

[@yoboyspadeii1963]

Absolutely! Any team that stops a whole league of players from getting to the TOP...😳 Come To Think Of It, i actually do think the team wins a participation trophy anyway...@Eastern/Western Conference Champions 🏆🏀

[@moon.mp3201]

Poor Mel. 🤣🤣🤣

[@deelow828]

I came to the comments for this lol "poor mel" frfr

[@vanessas2012]

😂😂😂

[@LouisianaInNOut]

I never thought about Bron having 3 ships with 3 different teams. That’s crazy.

[@CousinKwan]

4 with 3 different teams 😉

[@mrterry2277]

No it’s not

[@EssentiallyBlack]

@@mrterry2277 Found Jason Terry's burner

[@MDAce150]

Others have done it.

[@tyrelhackworth2006]

That's not impressive.

[@carlosmcgill761]

I need to be there I would’ve cooked Joe and Z ain’t no way they trying ish like this 😂😂😂

[@rayray1052]

Ish would have been cooked worse if I was there loo

[@LaFlare5600]

​@@rayray1052 you LeBron stans kill me

[@MrRa32]

​@@rayray1052 🧢

[@venusspacey9685]

@@rayray1052 I believe you. He easy to defeat because he clearly biased to Jordan to a fault. He don't know basketball, he know Jordan's career and then a little bit about basketball

[@jomarcoliverman4971]

Naw you not winning because they’re just gonna clown and say stupid sh!t like they’re doing now for instance talking about Chris Bosh wasn’t sh!t that man was a perineal all star and could’ve went anywhere and got paid he took a backseat so he could be apart of something special if he wasn’t all that why they rush him back from injury against the Celtics that first year they won the chip because they needed him he got busy after the chips everybody wanted him and was gonna pay astronomical money to get him but he wasn’t sh!t theses dudes some clowns when they ain’t got nothing for you they crack stupid jokes and team up on you fuckn clowns bro

[@jaywally6322]

It's always the loudest ones that don't actually know basketball 😂😂😂

[@zay4510]

“You tellin me about THA GLOVVVEE”🤣🤣🤣

[@zayytesla]

Ish forgot the bulls still made it all the way to the ecf wit no Jordan … can’t say the same for a team when lebron leaves

[@oksimoron7765]

They never made ecf, stop lying

[@BossKong400]

@@oksimoron7765 93-94 Pippen def had them bulls in there against the knicks

[@oksimoron7765]

@@BossKong400 again, stop lying. Google is free. I didn't know that Pippen played for Pacers.

[@vegetia]

This is what happen when you try and cap for Lebron. Pippen did not make it to the ecf 😂😂😂. Guessing you were born in the early 2000s.

[@blackprideb1236]

No they was a game away from the ecf they never made it without mj

[@ldope3904]

MJ put Air Jordan on the map Lebron turned the NBA into a national flop league

[@BKLYN_TZU]

The real victim in this argument is Melissa she had to be saying to herself WTF is going on here with these grown ass men arguing over a sport that was created in her home country of Canada .🇨🇦 😂 😂 😂

[@Meezyouttaherex]

This debate be so serious with everybody and I’m just sitting there like “well.. I’m a Kobe guy” 🥲

[@westside-fu7iv]

Naw foreal lol

[@LDNballer]

We all love kobe, but we're having a serious discussion here.

[@user-kj6be8sf3v]

Exactly. Be quite when the adults are speaking!

[@westside-fu7iv]

@@LDNballer dont ever disrespect kobe

[@marcmason165]

@@westside-fu7iv chill Bron better than Kobe too

[@Solo_01]

We will never know who's the best coach the LBJ ever had because he got all but one of them fired and if it wasn't for Pat Riley, Eric Spolstra would have been fired too....

[@F1sTDaGuNz]

If he didn’t start averaging 18 rebounds that should tell you how good he was

[@magicdon55]

I just want Ish to know that Rodman won a DOPY with the Pistons

[@k-way8471]

Rodman was almost out the league before he went to the bulls

[@bigo5250]

@@k-way8471 because he was a nutcase not because he couldn't play

[@k-way8471]

@@bigo5250 because he was a alcoholic And nut case who only mj could keep on track. So joe or any of them don’t know basketball

[@ducatarina]

NBA people is so emotional about GOAT debate lol Lebron can win 10 championships, he never will be the GOAT... Joe sound dumb, Jordan played in the hardest Era of basketball, Lebron played against little boys

[@mmiller7615]

Exactly.

[@blackprideb1236]

That was not the hardest era ... Stop it

[@AGholst502]

Phil wasn't the best coach until he came to the Bulls and MJ made him that. MJ was already the best player before Phil

[@PlaystationWPLY]

Phil WASN'T a head coach before Jordan.

[@MrPangsky]

no way! what did MJ win without phil????? and phil won with kobe and shaq! stop this nonsense

[@jaye5490]

"you was not even born!!!" LMAO that one took me out hahahahahah

[@mzmav720]

Here's 10 players Jordan had to play against during the 90s Reggie Miller (That was Steph before Steph), Pat Ewing, Karl Malone, Shaq, Gary Payton, Charles Barkley, John Stockton, Drexler, Magic, Isaiah..

[@sosabelton2164]

None are better than kd Steph or Timmy d

[@mzmav720]

@@sosabelton2164 I would hope not after 20 years the game evolves. But in that present time they were the elite. Different playing style which was also more physical as well with stronger more physical big men.

[@sosabelton2164]

@@mzmav720 yes no doubt family I’m jus more so saying Bron had to face greater comp bc the talent level gets higher

[@rustynail1071]

@@mzmav720 no real athletes on this list 😂

[@mzmav720]

@@rustynail1071 Its hella hall of famers on this list tho.

[@haroldcamper8783]

I love conversations like this

[@MacManDrew]

Didn't Jordan win with a old rodman and a pippen who barely played in 98

[@blackprideb1236]

Did ISH really just say dennis rodman wasnt Great before 96 .... Then has the nerve to say somebody Dont know basketball

[@Dipset415]

Yeah he was trippin and called Kevin love the best big man and bosh a top 5 player😭😭

[@jojan715]

@@Dipset415 K Love was the best forward when he was on the Wolves & Bosh was more like top 10 lol

[@jojan715]

I think that point was very bad 😂 but Ish knows basketball

[@gabrielt8185]

this argument will be held forever lmao

[@herschelpatel7115]

Not really. Watch jxmyhighrollers Using Numbers to find the Greatest Individual Season in NBA History, its all very nicely done. In the same video Jxmy also finds the greatest peak over a span of seasons.

[@gabrielt8185]

@Herschel Patel regardless of any evidence provided, this will still be a debate 🤣

[@AndrewR21]

They said K love wasn’t nothing or Chris Bosh 😭😭

[@Darshawnnglynn]

Without Scottie pippen and Phil Jackson Michael Jordan would not win six rings that facts!!!!!

[@thehollistichealthmonster5993]

rodman said himself that jordan saved his career he was almost out the league

[@MrPangsky]

but he was already RODMAN! 2x champs with pistons..... stop this lie that MJ fuken molded rodman! stop it

[@thehollistichealthmonster5993]

@@MrPangsky so rodman is lying on himself is what you saying lol

[@sinatra222]

These guys are entertaining. i love the passion.

[@johnwayne-vs7ub]

Dennis Rodman was averaging 35 min a game the 5 season before going to the bulls lol. But he didn't start

[@lex6794]

4 Rings on 3 Teams is better than 6 Rings on 1 Team. MJ had the Greatest Coach of alltime, lebron never had a great coach. Jordan was so mentally weak he quit the NBA 2X for almost 6 years total. He dominated a garbage league with weak competition in the 90s when the 80s dynasties died out.

[@jbeataman]

I would never argue with anybody who didn’t see it for themselves and just read stats.

[@810Jones]

Why not? Won’t it be stats that define curry as the greatest three point shooter or Bron as the greatest scorer?

[@jbeataman]

@@810Jones stats tell part of the story. If that’s the case Kareem would have been deemed as the greatest player ever because he held the record before lebron broke it. Lebron has been chasing Jordan as the 🐐 not Kareem. Stats don’t tell the whole story

[@brianjackson3031]

Exactly

[@LilYBOD]

Such a weak ass argument lol yall so stuck on that shit u seen MJ do..man the average nba hooper is doing all that shit 😂

[@apolloskywalker633]

@@810JonesArguing solely on stats can be a net negative if you don’t actually watch the game. For example, Kobe may not have the best stats and on paper he was a gunslinger when it came to shooting miss or make. But if you watched him, you’d know he’d was intensively defensive and a great vocal leader that elevated Gasol and Odem’s play. That’s something stats are not really able to measure. You’d have to watch the game to see what was happening.

[@MistahUnknown]

They're knocking LeBron for recruiting players. But if Jerry Krause listened to Jordan's advice when it came to drafting and trading player prior to Jordan's 1st retirement, I can't say for sure the Bulls would win 6 finals. Jordan wanted Krause to get Joe Wolf from the Tar Heels in 1987 instead of getting Horace Grant and another player who was projected to become an NBA superstar by the name of Scottie Pippen. Drafting Joe Wolf over Pippen would delay the Bulls from winning 50 games or even winning a series for a few extra seasons. And Jordan went on a huge recruiting campaign after the Bulls got molly whopped in the 1995 playoffs. He literally called rodman and told him to come to Jerry Krause's house after his failure to get Jayson Williams. Jayson Williams said: Jordan told me all he needs is for me to rebound, and he’ll get me two or three rings. He was all over me. He said I was at the top of list. Jordan said, "I had to come all the way to your neighborhood to find you." I don't know about y'all but I'll take how history played out. It's better than being in the situation where LeBron was in for his entire first stint with Cleveland.

[@suntansuperman26]

Now you just making stuff up. It was Phil who decided to go after Rodman and he has talked about this, he just simply asked Jordan if he could play with him which Jordan said yes. Krause himself is quoted saying Jordan never asked him for anyone

[@MistahUnknown]

@@suntansuperman26 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2bZkoF5bbuAjsk

[@blacksuperman475]

Old man style when arguing if they felt they're losing is shout, show that their angry and keep walking out but still coming back.😂

[@mo.magas824]

And then say “you weren’t born yet” 🤣🤣🤣

[@blacksuperman475]

@@mo.magas824 😂😂😂👍

[@sheltonwilliams9656]

The argument is dead Lebron is the GOAT period

[@thegenius586]

That Mav series when Lebron was being guarded by little man Barea and couldn't score in the 4th quarter looked really bad.

[@universoullifebalance]

He can never live that down.. Biggest choke job by a superstar of all time

[@spazzer4723]

Dennis was definitely him before the bulls

[@JS-xj2uq]

This shouldn't be a debate! Jordan years ahead of LeBron

[@eddieogun]

Nah

[@ducatarina]

Lebron can win 10 championships, he never will be the GOAT

[@pennyscifen4388]

this dude said all the teams jordan beat were bad but all the teams jordan beat were 60+ win teams. NEW YORK, PACERS, CAVS, ORLANDO etc were shit east teams? this dude doesn't know basketball.

[@VandjeeEs845]

Jordan had the dream team, best number 2 option player in Pippen, best role players, best coach, best gm,

[@bluv5185]

And still didn’t have as much help as lebron lol

[@tenthirty82]

Phil didn’t win anything before coaching the Bulls. Shaq had a better number 2 option. LeBron had another better number 2 named Dwade. Pippen was never as good as people thought he was the one All-Star in the league that never face a double team never had to carry the load

[@supaway9168]

The way Joe said “man Lebron would tear them niggas up” 😂😂😂😂

[@mrbasketball34]

Being undefeated at the championship level is always going to supersede teaming up and losing a bunch of times.

[@four5718]

lmao jordan had one of the best rebounders in rodman, best two way in pippen and the best shooter in kerr….bron era way more talented and he has the two hardest rings in NBA history 😂😂😔

[@LaFlare5600]

​@Four MJ won 3 without Rodman, Pippen was a nobody when he got to the Bulls and Kerr only made 1 3pointer a game lmao Kerr didn't do shit. Stop with all this CAPPIN.

[@suntansuperman26]

@@four5718 Stop looking at the results and look at the process. Pippen didn’t come to Jordan as the player we know him to be now he had to develop into that. Jordan had already capped off a 3peat before even getting Rodman. The only reason why Rodman even ended up on the Bulls is because nobody wanted him. He was seen as a problem and the Spurs wanted to get rid of him, Bulls were the only team interested. Now look at LeBron, the man has teamed up with Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD, all players who were established franchise players and all stars before playing with LeBron. Yet y’all always crying about what Jordan had

[@eseaun3652]

key word TEAMS. But somehow Jordan gets the credit for the team ...like nobody else mattered...

[@LaFlare5600]

@@eseaun3652 Jordan was the best player so of course he's gonna get the credit. MJ wasn't out there teaming up with 2-3 HOF players

[@amandac4579]

Ish "YOU WAS NOT EVEN BORN!!!!!" 😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂 that took me out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nehemyahyisrael7170]

😂😂😂

[@deanoss777]

the 90’s Bulls were ABSOLUTELY a superteam

[@Ape_In_His_Apex]

How? The only other all star Chicago had was Scottie and Scottie wasn’t an All-Star until 1990.

[@deanoss777]

@@Ape_In_His_Apex You don’t need 3 all stars to be a superteam. No one had more talent than the Bulls in that era and they arguably had two top 10 players, one being the very best. 3 guys that were selected in the top 50 of all time if I’m not mistaken.

[@ricardolozano5356]

john Paxson and Bill Cartwright that was a super team ?

[@charlesokereke4297]

At that time Bosh was a top 5 big man in the game. Super skilled offensively with 3 point rage

[@IncSpen]

Top 5 big man in the game is not top 5 player in the game

[@charlesokereke4297]

@@IncSpen I agree, I thought he was saying too big man, def not a top 5 player

[@visibleangle7147]

But theyve been injured specially wade wasnt even 100% rodman and pip was and their coach was fully healthy. Whos the best coach lebron ever had? idiot!

[@dearshomy]

WORD

[@JasonWilliams-um8im]

​@@IncSpen He did what b4? During? Or after Lebron. Nothing was ever super about Bosh.

[@jovelhamilton601]

Kevin love was the best forward at that point. At that period and time yes.

[@Teeclutch]

Ain’t lebron a forward

[@aquartermil]

@@Teeclutch a small forward is a different position than POWER FOWARD Jesus Christ y’all really don’t know basketball

[@Teeclutch]

@@aquartermil man small forward power forward all a forward

[@aquartermil]

@@Teeclutch no it’s not my boy go relearn basketball 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Iamhimbutyouarenot]

@@aquartermil these mfs ain’t play ball. They play 2k.

[@Ethan6000894]

Chris Bosh was not top 5, wade was questionable too. You had Melo, Kobe, KG, Paul Pierce, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard was in his prime. Cmon stop it

[@IconicUniverse4L]

The problem is they discredit MJ for beating teams who was in front of him which were 50 plus win teams but don’t address Bron beating up on a Monte Ellis bucks, a pG and Roy Hibbert pacers, a trash knicks team and more like come on yo the east was at its weakest dam near the whole time Bron was there until maybe his last 2 years

[@puncho8799]

Facts!!!!

[@bkborn4256]

Don't forget the Kyle Lowry Raptors. They was calling them Lebronto

[@go_423]

Exactly bron fans only look at his finals competition and ignore those trash ass east teams him and superteams ran through lmao

[@IconicUniverse4L]

@@go_423 trash ass east teams he played in the playoffs. They bring up two teams in the finals, well 3, vs the spurs when he had nobody, 73-9 warriors and KD warriors that’s basically what they bring up. I don’t hate Bron at all but I hate how they make it seem like he had the hardest road ever when he did not and a lot of players never get as much grace as Lebron. I dislike his fans

[@aquartermil]

Some them teams won 60 games also btw

[@Jonathan-wh5fw]

Ish Dennis was Defensive player of the year for the pistons

[@DarinAtkins]

I knew this segment was a joke when Joe knocked Jordan for trying to play 82 games as a wizard.

[@Ape_In_His_Apex]

That’s a fact

[@sportstalkonly1442]

Maybe because Jordan was trash on the wizards

[@DarinAtkins]

@@sportstalkonly1442 I see you got a hold of that stuff Joe smokes…Bullshit….and it’s clear you know nothing about sports. Even as a shell of himself before the injuries Jordan was better than the average player in the L and was still putting up numbers. Was he the same Jordan like he was on the Bulls? Definitely not. He wasn’t the best player in the league, but trash? Nah

[@Higharcent]

🤣 old heads that are Jordan and Kobe fans are so delusional. Just fail to even realize Phil Jackson was there for all of their rings and the only coach to win more than 1 with Bron despite ten straight finals is Spolestra 🤣

[@MrJayfreeable]

Chris Bosh was nice, Kevin love was nice and Lebron had Eric Spo as a coach. They both had nice teams, no matter how they got them. It seemed like Jordan was organization first. Lebron probably tired of the GMs during his first time in Cleveland so he took matters into his on hands.

[@sosabelton2164]

Bosh and love had never even won a playoff game before Bron

[@MrJayfreeable]

@@sosabelton2164 Actually, Chris Bosh playoff record at home when he was with Tornoto Raptors 3-2. He was 3-8 in total before he left. Kevin Love did not go to the playoffs before Leborn.

[@MistahUnknown]

@@sosabelton2164 Same goes for Coach Spo as a head coach if I recall correctly.

[@sosabelton2164]

@@MistahUnknown yeah I’m jus tryn figure out wne bosh was a superstar lol

[@sosabelton2164]

@@MrJayfreeable so he won only 3 games?

[@heeldarrell]

The team that made lebron leave Cleveland (Mo Williams was the second best player btw) had 1 big name player out of 4 acquired through the draft. Then he went back to his team to get them a ring. Then the team he beat got the other top 3 player (2 against 1 with the 2 having better depth) just to stack the deck against lebron because he took the soul out of them. Lebron forming a "super team" is a moot point

[@wade2xx552]

Mo Williams was not drafted by the cavs.. he was a free agent stop with the lies

[@heeldarrell]

@@wade2xx552 I was referring to the Celtics. Paul Pierce was the only person on that team was drafted by the Celtics. Rondo, KG and Ray Allen were acquired through trade

[@TowDow3]

point still stands, LeBron chickened out left cleavland to join someone else's team and a super team and still only managed to win 2 rings LOL meanwhile Jordan out here getting whole three peats LOL

[@jerrysmith8899]

Lebron James was not just a great athlete he could tell you every opponent plays on the court. Great athlete and greater basketball mind.

[@andrejamison2723]

Without a killer instinct and can only play from ahead.

[@DamagedGoods77]

LBJ Winning Championships in more than organization isn't proven to be superior to 6-0 in 1 organization. MJ never had to leave nor ran from the situation. Even when MJ had beef with the front office he still rose to the occasion. 🐐

[@crushinithard]

As a PF with the Knicks, Phil won 2 Championship Rings While in the CBA, he won his first coaching championship, leading the Albany Patroons to their first title in 1984. Jackson was named the CBA Coach of the Year in 1985 Winning was already in Phil's DNA No Phil, No Rings

[@johncarloflorentino]

And yet he has to convinced Jordan to adopt the triangle. Same scenario. No jordan no phil.

[@theboywonder721]

Y'all on dope. Kevin Love was literally the best 4 in the league after Dirk, Duncan & KG left. He was getting 30 boards regularly

[@joshualibrun4959]

he was not better than blake griffen, lamarcus aldridge or tim duncan in 2014.... rebounds dope... he averaged 26 on a bad team... but defense matters.

[@JasonWilliams-um8im]

He was so nice, he didn't win b4, or after Lebron. Irrelevant since

[@MusasGamingandFoodcorner]

@@joshualibrun4959 He definitely was what are you talking about