LEC 2023 Summer Split Preseason Power Rankings

[@TN-gn1hp]

i rly hope Vitality gets their shit together and shows that they are at least top 3 in every position (with top 1 in Upset & Photon) and also develop this into a well working teamplay

[@xJokers27]

It would be so good for LEC if VIT could be competitive. Perkz & Bo on international stage would at least give me more hope for EU

[@fullfradi95]

Wut? Bo on int. stage? the guy has zero mentality for pro-gaming , he cant handle presure at all, he perma int and choke on important games. no way VIT gets to worlds with a guy like him . finishing top4 already a lucky overperformance ( Upset and Photon turbo carry them)

[@phoroll6082]

​@@fullfradi95 I really wonder what would be better for Europe. A team of players that showed they can't be relevant internationally, or a Chinese prodigy that can compete mechanically but lacks mental

[@mohabmulki7568]

@@phoroll6082 how do you know bo lacks mental do you work with vitality internally or

[@phoroll6082]

@@mohabmulki7568 watch one bo stream and you’ll know lol

[@mohabmulki7568]

@@phoroll6082 ? i watch his streams alot hes usually always laughing and having fun + seems to be full tryhard what are you actually talking about also hes usually speaking in chinese most of the time so unless ure chinese urself i dont get how u know what hes saying? XD

[@fth2780]

Kicking Trymbi have to be a troll move

[@aurelionsol7875]

nope

[@ro_stock2083]

i think TH will easily make groups. IF jankos can perform like has in Spring. Flakked is easy top 5 adc maybe higher (dk because hes not played so far this year) and Vetheo wants to proof that he still is a Mid/Top Tier LEC mid.

[@hdkonvick6299]

Idk, flakked aint Rly good. All i remember is that he can play senna, other than that he aint good. Vit,G2, Mad,Bds,Fnatic,koi, all have better Adcarries so idk how u squeeze Flakked in top 5

[@ro_stock2083]

@@hdkonvick6299 flakked carried games against T1 and RNG Last year. He surely has a high peak

[@jpgunman0708]

Vit doesn't know what to do when facing a disadvantage. Once they fall behind, they tend to play hastily and roughly, ultimately leading to dizziness and ruining the game.

[@_papasparta_-txc-4730]

Vitality suffers from what every superteam has so far suffered from, just going full talent with 0 gameplan.

[@jpgunman0708]

@@_papasparta_-txc-4730 Sure, so I think the most important thing for VIT is to hire an eastern coach to teach them about "discipline": how to maximize benefits during offensive rounds, how to exchange resources during defensive rounds, and how to make good use of soldier lines and vision, etc.

[@_papasparta_-txc-4730]

@@jpgunman0708 I could see that working yea

[@KatastOrfeas]

I personally wouldn't put SK 5th, they looked good in Winter but when Spring came around and teams were starting to figure out their strats they had a hard time keeping up, not as much of a roster problem but a preperation one which is why I would put FNC/AST over them, as both showed good preparation and understanding of the meta in Spring and FNC especially I would put as high as top 4 as I expect the addition of Trymbi and Noah to be great assets on FNC and it also looks like it's going towards an Azir meta again with the buffs he received which is a meta Humanoid excels in and even if it's banned every game it could work in FNC's favour nonetheless as he may regain a bit of his confidence and we get to see Worlds 2022 Humanoid again, other than I think KOI will have a hard time without Trymbi as he was the main leader of that team and they could be really lost without him. Also seeing how MAD performed at MSI I would probably put them lower but I hope they prove me wrong. My rankings would be 1. G2, 2. BDS, 3. VIT, 4. FNC, 5. MAD, 6. AST, 7.SK, 8. HT, 9. KOI, 10. XL

[@pistonhondo2004]

well well well

[@gmrflaming]

I’m saying it now so we can all laugh at it later: As a G2 fan, I think that if Caps steps up and they keep or improve on their MSI, G2 are guaranteed to be in the conversation for winning Worlds. Feel free to laugh at me, this is my one completely biased comment of the split.

[@toutader5562]

I agree with you. If we still have the same caps we will be decent at worlds but if we get the 2019/2020 Claps we could easily take some easterns teams in the bo5

[@zonomena9153]

The west fell so hard I don't think it's possible to be relevant anymore. But winning vs Na is cool. Copium

[@ph8808]

Think youre way overrating SK, they looked pretty bad in spring due to the level getting higher and them getting worse, think FNC will make it to at least top 4 their bot lane is very promising and razzork humanoid step up insane amount for summer always.

[@psychopathicporo]

I think the whole SK roster has potential to grow, they are all pretty young. Markoon and Exakick specifically could be real carry stars in the future

[@devinmurphy6575]

@@psychopathicporo SK feels like a gatekeeper team. If you can’t beat them, you’re not going to be a top tier team. But at the same time, they themselves aren’t really competing for the top spots. I have hope they can grow, but purely based off their winter and spring showings, they’re simply not a top tier team. I think you perfectly rated them. Better than the worst, but worse than the best. As middle of the pack as it comes. Consistently okay.

[@filipmaric5951]

people were hyping g2 in preason cuz they had over 80% win rate in scrims and they actually won that split. its rumored that fnatic has over 90% rn and with humanoid and razork beeing more hunrgy than ever i legit see them winning split realistically

[@boristruth7912]

I like TH changes. Jankos & Flakked, sounds like old G2. ☺

[@jorgeortizdelandazuri7318]

"old" dude It hasnt been a year xD

[@Simon-dh1fc]

honestly think VIT only issue is how fast Photon and Bo can improve their English and communication.

[@ibrahim5463]

Before watching i predict that VIT and G2 will be top 2 team Edit:yep

[@ak-jv2xl]

great video👍

[@lain_fr0m_w1r3d]

I think u over estimate how strong SK is. They struggled hard late spring and meta won't help them. Also koi 9th max.

[@psychopathicporo]

They did struggle, but they have a young team with a lot of potential. Also saying KOI 9th max is definitely a hot take, considering they made Worlds quarterfinals with 3 of those 5 players in 2022

[@guslarz]

TBH KOI is really strong on top and mid, their performance is going to depend on Malrang coinflips and botlane synergy

[@Eli-pw7dt]

Would love it if you could switch the background color a little hard on my eyes. Still love the content :D

[@psychopathicporo]

I know you've been asking this for the past few videos now, so I'll go ahead and answer by saying that it's pretty unlikely I'll ever change the background from white. Poros are often surrounded by ice and snow since they come from Freljord, so aesthetically the Poro drawings simply blend in better with the white backgrounds. Sorry for hurting your eyes, but I really don't think the channel mascot would fit in with darker backgrounds

[@triflomastera4882]

FNC should be way higher

[@triflomastera4882]

Randomly found this again 3 months later - I was fucking right!! #FNCWIN

[@AofCastle]

BDS can be either 1st or 8th and it all depends on the rest of the teams not doing the "we can handle Adam's picks" again. Ban Adam, their whole team falls apart if Adam is not pressuring top and giving breathing room to Crownshot to scale comfortably.

[@hydros5774]

Love the content, keep it up!

[@Fed-sh9lm]

don’t know if we watched the same msi; yes yike smurfed it but Caps was a disaster and Hans while being good for the west is just miles below these top top eastern ADs (ruler, guma, elk, peyz, and even though they weren’t there the same goes for viper jackey deft). unless caps goes back to being caps, which is always possible, i dont see this team taking a bo5 vs an eastern team apart from maybe LPL 4 seed,

[@psychopathicporo]

I did mention that Caps was the one question mark I had about the team for LEC, so I'm pretty sure we actually agree for the most part

[@Fed-sh9lm]

@@psychopathicporo for sure. great video and I loved your stuff covering MSI, keep it up!

[@deinvadda5699]

Soo its going to be MAD vs GGS for 4th Worlds Spot? EU is doomed

[@dislikemike1151]

lovely you dont understand

[@dlwldme]

When I see vit in top 2/3, it just doesn't feel right. Their potential is always there with all the names they have but they always seem to disappoint. Hopefully this is the split they can turn it around though

[@viniciusgoulartalves4651]

Caedrel and other streamers said FNC is doing really good in scrins. I dont think FNC will win the split, but for sure they will perform better with noah and trymb, at least top 4.

[@rafayet23]

I dont think bds, sk and ast will be in that top tier. I feel like fnatic will surpass these teams idk why i have that weird gut feeling. Lets see.

[@psychopathicporo]

they definitely could on paper, it just depends since FNC has had strong rosters on paper for the past few splits and never really made it work as well as people hoped

[@idontreallycaretbh]

i think its bias because FNC has historically been way more dominant. It would be unfair to place FNC higher than the teams mentioned just based on a gut feeling and not their actual results

[@NaikaiWZ]

New FNC will be top 3, trust me :)

[@NaikaiWZ]

RIGHT

[@dlz5709]

I really don't see fnc being 7th, in terms of pure talent they're at least top3

[@JuiceReloaded]

Xerxe no longer in a league should have happened during his stint in LCS. Xerxe straight DOODOO BUTTER.

[@garethgunter4392]

1 g2 2 fnc 3 mad 4 vit 5 bds 6 th 7 koi 8 sk 9 ast 10 xl

[@hisaichiyushiki8219]

Is this 2020??

[@patriklundvall3296]

If Fnc wins against G2 making it a 3-0 first week, it might snowball

[@cat4luny4]

vit is too inconsistent to be placed so high

[@Martin-dx6qr]

First of all, thank you for really trying to explain why you think this teams could work and not just throw some outdated or pure hatred arguments like Caps is the GOAT or VTO is dogshit, my ranking is quite different, I won't lie there might be some subjectivity here, but I'm trying to put my objectivity first. 10th : XL, as they might have a better chemistry than before, I don't think Abeddagge and LIMIT are LEC level rn, also Patrik needs to wake up a bit, I do think Odoamne is still really good, and Peach might surprise us. 9th : Koi, I think swapping Trimby for Advienne wasnt a good idea and even more, other teams has improved their roster I believe while they worsened it a bit, they need to have Malrang and Comp back on their 2022 level and Szygenda finally meet the expectations. 8th : SK, honestly I really like this team and they have a lot of potential, Irrelevant Markoon and Exakick have definitely earned their place in LEC, I do have doubts about Sertuss and Doss who put up some deceiving performances, but they can still do better than what I project them to be. 7th : FNC, they improved imo, Noah and Trimby can be one of the greatest botlane in LEC, the catch here is the chemistry between Razork and Humanoid, and if Razork can put more of his good performances and Humanoid is willing to put the effort to be prime Humanoid, I have a bit of trust in Oscarinin, he really put up better performances after the first week of spring split. 6th : Astralis, their gameplay is really unique and coinflippy, they have good players and they can surprise everyone for the best or the worse, I do find Finn underwhelming tho 5th : TH, this is the hot take one for me, but I do think the Jankos - Vetheo can be one hell of a duo mid - jungle, Flakked really deserves LEC and Mersa is underrated imo, but he needs to bring it together as well as Vetheo who needs to bring back spring 2022 Vetheo, doubts on Evi who's honestly been the worst toplaner in spring 4th : MAD, great team, great players, but as proved in MSI, they arent the best and they can underperform in important moments, really like how Chasy plays tho, and Hylissang is retrieving little by little his greatness 3rd : VITA, same arguments as MAD except that they CAN be the best, best ADC probably with Crownie and Hans, one of the best support, one of the best toplaner, it all depends on Bo and Perkz who does quite a lot of mistakes that throw the game, as well as the communication needs to improve 2nd : BDS. Crownie was incredible in spring, they have such inspirations sometimes that surprise their opponents, they can be so dominating, especially through Sheo and Crownie (and Adam on carrys) 1st : I will still put G2 because they really did put quite a good performance in MSI, Yike and BB are ready, the problem are Caps and Hans, they need to be as dominating as they once were, but that MSI experience really is a big boost for LEC. In other words, my top 3 is not fixed, if Vita meets their potential, they are probably first, BDS can be really surprising, and G2 as always can be the most dominating team, I don't see any other team winning Summer, maybe TH if Vetheo brings back his best form and Jankos keeps dominating, MAD if the top 3 trolls as they did in Spring or Fnatic if we have prime Humanoid and Razork

[@axel978]

Role by role i think, in toplane : Alphari and Destroy should replace evi and irrelevant or odo. in jungle : selfmade and inspired should be there (instead of 113 and maybe peach) in midlane : nemesis or magifelix should still play in pro, or anyone better than abedagge in adc : caliste and jezu should replace patrik and maybe kobbe in support targamas should be up there. Then, in a perfect world, we would have : 1 - G2 : current roster (MSI proves they're 1st) 2 - VIT : current (bo + upset + photon ceiling is just too much+ they have xp) 3 - MAD : current (hylissang and elyoya are world class, and everyone can shotcall in this team. They might end better than 3rd or worse tho). 4- FNC : current (looks good at every role, but I have doubts about humanoid working hard enough and oscarinin showing his lvl on stage) 5 : AST: finn - inspired - lider - caliste - jeonghoon (looks great with an upgraded jgl + lider's micro level is off the charts tbh. Compared to rn, they would have one more win condition through bot and Caliste Aphelios for example) 6 - BDS : current (very good team, but i need to see more from mid/jgl. They have great botlane tho) 7 : KOI : current (really depends on the meta. I really like comp szygenda and larssen but i think support swap is a big nerf, considering how useful was trymbi as shotcalling and at carrying bot) 8 : SK : alphari - markoon - sertuss - exa - doss (can be great, I think Alphari has the highest ceiling of all toplaners, but they need time) 9 : HT : destroy- jankos - vetheo- flakked - mersa (i think the topside can work well, and jankos can bring the team far. They could be higher maybe) 10 : XL : odo - selfmade/peach - nemesis - jezu - limit/idk. (Wouldneed much adaptation time, but the team can carry from everywhere and has serious weapons. They might place higher with some time) Clearly if EU teams did better job at recruiting, we would have a very competitive league with 10 good teams. I mean even like this LEC 10th team would look great. We really have talents but we have to use them well

[@holdthesigninside9223]

doubtful of upset being the best western adc when berserker exists

[@psychopathicporo]

Not the worst take actually, but I think Berserker needs a strong international showing first

[@mohabmulki7568]

good thing berserker isnt western

[@alexmichl3137]

Crownie was by far the best adc in last split, upset is good, but definetly wouldnt call him the best western adc.

[@lourencobica903]

I have nowhere near as much faith as you in Vitality. To me they would be 4th or 5th. And Putting Heretics in 9th is an absolute crime. I think they only received upgrades and there's no way Evi can drag the team down all the way to 9th. I believe in him!

[@ccomboxdd]

I see fnatic as top 4 team

[@bambino694]

mad lions 4th placexDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@ilitsh1]

i think u are underrating fnc too much, i think they are gonna be top 4 100%

[@psychopathicporo]

Could happen for sure, not convinced just yet though due to recent performances the past year and a half

[@filipmaric5951]

fnc winning split i said it here first

[@_papasparta_-txc-4730]

FNC gonna win worlds with this roster

[@affenaxt3647]

This ranking didnt age well.

[@fullfradi95]

How the hell VIT 2nd place? They got the most overrated support Kaiser (not top5) with the most overhyped and rated import in EU history Bo , who littery has no mentality for pro-gaming and perma choke and int on important games.....and we got Updrama in the team , wouldnt be a big suprise if at end of the split some real drama happening in VIT thanks to him. Also BDS ?? They had 1 split overreaching their potential , but they def. not top5 team. You did terrible takes on MSI and you kicking off with terrible takes on this one as well.

[@psychopathicporo]

What's your LEC team ranking for this split?

[@peterkotus2095]

i mean g2 looking like the best team for most of the year with caps and hans sama(except on draven ofc) underperforming alot, pretty much sums up the state of the LEC. Mad lions besides their good run at the end of playoffs looked pretty bad (nearly knocked out in Bo3). Bds and ast looked good but seem to get figgured out and dont look that adabtable. Koi looked very inconsistent especially Malrang having a rough year and now downgrading supp. FNC might be good but a lot of FNC roasters looked good in the past and razork humanoid synergy is still questionable. Sk just fell of a cliff in spring. We dont talk about XL. Im not even saying VIT look good but we saw MSI LEC is struggling in general.

[@fullfradi95]

@@psychopathicporo There are many things i not mentioning about the teams just the 1-2 main reasons for ranking , if i want to mention everything it would take waay much more writing. 1. G2 (dont need to explain to much) 2. MAD ( this year 2. and 1. place , prob have the best jgl, support in EU, with top3 toplaner and a consistent mid looking at their achiement this year disrespect put them down under 2.) From now between 3-8 rly close teams small difference hard to rank , 6-7 placed team easily can go for 3. depending on form. 3. SK ( They got carry jgler who has a meta champ pool and their botlane just superb and their coaching staff is rly rly good) 4. AST ( Their botlane also proved themself , Finn ( altho i hate his personality ) is a carry top and their fixed their weakest point midlane Dajor , Lider is a steady mid who might not be the flashiest but not making many mistakes either ) 5. VIT ( biggest issue comming from BO , we saw many great soloQ and streamer who were not able to transform into progaming simple cause cant handle stage game /important game presure , and so far BO perma choked on important games hard int and getting out jgled his good with no presure stat padding games for kda and damage %but when matter he unable to step up and carry games if his teammates underperforming - meanwhile we saw other jgler can carry games when their teams underperforming - , also Kaiser looked good on lane next to Upset but when teamfight come he does many mistakes overextend for ward no reason getting outposition many times) 6. KOI ( They got new more of the meta support player Trymbi champion pull was one of the big issue in this year for the team , also Malrang underperformed spring , but dont think he will be that bad again - yet cause of the stacked mid pack can't rank them higher) 7. HER ( Jankos is OP but Evi is rly heavy clearly not EU lvl toplaner , their upgrade their mid is huge and i can see HER go 3-4 place if hyper carry Vetheo showing up. Flakked also a champion MSI experience AD who had a super weak support in G2 and ppl blame him for support diff.) 8. BDS ( the guys heavily depends on Adam carry performance but we saw from G2/mad ,when ppl able to prepare and handle him they are not as good as they want to be ,their bot overperformed -cause other teams botlane underperformed - this split dont think they will shine as much simple cause of skill diff compare to other botlanes ) 9. EXL ( mehh dropping Vetheo for Abe and keeping Patrik , they brought new jgl but its a question mark , cause the stack midpack i dont put them higher but they can be suprised if jgl work out they can be 6-7 placed team 10. FNc ( well... yeah i mean yeaaahh... 2 rookie - oscar had issue perform on stage, his good games where all from gamer house , he still got nerves front of the crowd probably, they got a support with no meta champ pool and they got 2 veteran who are out of the from, looking at how stacked JGL poss is , Razork probably not top6 jgl in EU atm and Humaniod just suffering this year on mid )

[@XDragonittyX]

@@fullfradi95 Noah is not a Rookie, he played LCK with KT rolster

[@fullfradi95]

@@XDragonittyX He still count as rookie in LEC , but as you can see i not talked about him futher more , i dont think he will be a big issue for FNC compare to other players

[@aurelionsol7875]

g2 😴

[@NotWorking32]

XL 10? In what world? Also heretics has a really good roster... fnatic will be 10th.

[@psychopathicporo]

XL was 10th in winter and 10th in spring, and as far as I'm concerned, they made one upgrade and one downgrade to the roster FNC has Noah Trymbi which sounds pretty insane to me

[@NotWorking32]

​@@psychopathicporowhat about heretics? Sounds like top 6 roster to me.

[@psychopathicporo]

@@NotWorking32 wasn't impressed with Evi or Mersa, I think they might drag the team down

[@kaisamyboys5233]

fnc 10th hahahahahaha

[@jimgu2578]

My pre-season tier list: 1, G2 2, BDS 3, MAD 4, VIT 5, AST 6, KOI 7, SK 8, FNC 9, HRT (most variance) 10, XL

[@tomrotten1246]

cringe pilled