Lecküchner Langes Messer: the full treatise

[@joyork9138]

So much value here! I can only imagine the amount of work involved to put this together, thank you

[@VirtualFechtschule]

I'm happy you like it. :)

[@steevemartial4084]

I can't study Messer in a club at the moment. This video is immensely valuable for those of us who don't have a teacher.

[@jervistetch9162]

22:03 for the legendary SACK Play.

[@WinnipegKnightlyArts]

Man, the journey here is awesome. The difference between the stuff at the beginning compared to the stuff at the end is like night and day. Also your physique and general coordination improved so much. Great job man!

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Thank you! :D

[@sirpuffball6366]

It's very important in combat to hold your sword high above your head to make your opponent believe you're charging it with magical power

[@VirtualFechtschule]

I'm certainly having He-Man moments when assuming that guard. :D

[@robkay1975]

This is a huge investment in time and expertise. Thank you!

[@VirtualFechtschule]

You're welcome! :)

[@christianweiss5842]

This really is a fantastic project. Together with a fellow fencer I teach Langes Messer according to Lecküchner in Austria and your video is a great way to get a "second opinion" to our interpretations. Would it be possible to get the different plays as single files (e.g. as a Google drive download), since it is very difficult to find a play we want to study by searching through the chapters of your full treatise video? If you could offer this somehow this would be such a great help for trainers of the Langes Messer. Thanks for your effort to produce such a great video

[@jasonbaldwin273]

I am glad to see that Oscar went through the inevitable HEMA pony tail guy phase like everyone else in HEMA... I am now curious if he played Jazz clarinet for a while...

[@ksc888]

I'm sure you are a brilliant coach or practitioner, but practising or demonstrating without safety equipment? Even a master can make a mistake and then some poor sods eye is gone and for vanity!?

[@harithhasrat2671]

Don't know anything about sword fighting, but looks cool.

[@VishnuZutaten]

8 mins in. So much material...6 times as uch still to go... o_0

[@KingTrouser]

Amazing work Oskar - Now for those wanting to get into Messer - can people list where are some options/places to buy a nice thick, safe sparring messer?

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Checking the Messer Guild on FB is usually a good idea for such questions. I personally can recommend three models I use a lot: Landsknecht Emporium Karl or Gottfried, Krieger and Kvetun. The last two are really geared towards sparring, while the LE models are also really good when it comes to handling like originals.

[@GeekMAXX]

Definitely saving this to bookmarks. I want to learn messer so bad but there really isnt any interest at my local club. Im sure this took a LOT of effort to put it all into one place but it is a GREAT video. Well done and thank you :)

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Excellent, I hope this will help some people in your club see why messer is awesome to practice. :)

[@frankberger7035]

I'm really at a loss on how I would learn all this different positions and movements and apply them manually. training training training is a nice wordshell that's obviously always true but me personally it neverreally helped. I'm quite literally have a plank in front of my head when it comes to such details and mirroring other people.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

This would be a long discussion and I will have some videos in a month or so talking about this, but there's several ways of internalising a physical skill. Ultimately though, this whole video is based on a manuscript that isn't a lesson, it's a description of all the things that could happen when fencing with the Messer. So you practice them all in isolation, until you make the connections. But making those connections is what tends to happen more effectively in a training session from a good instructor, preferably taking your style of learning into account

[@dallasburnworth]

This is fantastic! Great work! The sound track is perfect!

[@jervistetch9162]

0:52 7r

[@jervistetch9162]

21:29 for cool backgammon play

[@elrohirthehasty]

Holy cow, I was getting bogged down in terminology. Your practice looks good and this video is a valuable resource! (Editted to say: I've only been working Italian (Marozzo) stuff, hence the bogging down in German terminology)

[@elrohirthehasty]

Dude, you just convinced me to buy a pair of messers.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Awesome! You definitely should! Messer is really a lot of fun to do. :D

[@KankukanAiki]

I am an Aikido Keikonin, aikidoka and Daito Ryu Aikijutsuka and I also have a martial arts dedicated channel here on KZbin. Even if I trained my whole life in Japanese Martial Arts as a Historian I really love those channels who show the traditional historical swordsmanship (hema or not hema). I really enjoyed many of your video and so to speak I subscribed to your channel. It is always nice to help each other especially if we are fellow KZbinrs. And I really do hope to meet you someday. I live in Sardinia 🙏🙏🙏

[@Maarrcco]

Patrocinated by Adidas 53:00

[@OliverJanseps]

Four years of work! Thanks for that! Your hair style changed a lot since then ;-)

[@imstupid880]

Amazing, thank you!

[@WheatKnight]

I'm just starting to learn messer properly and dive into Leckuchner. This is incredibly valuable, and I applaud your hard work. Thank you very much!

[@vicenterojas1884]

Yea at last I can beat link

[@chadhealey3057]

Oskar, this is incredible! I really appreciate all the work you've done on this. Also, that messer that appears around 37:30. Could I ask who makes it and what model it is?

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Thank you! As for the messer, both are made by Landsknecht emporium. The one on the left is a Gunther with thick edges and the one on the right is a custom pieces that is affectionately known as a Kleinkriegsmesser

[@chadhealey3057]

@@VirtualFechtschule Thanks for the response! I've currently got a Gottfried and sparring Dorothea, with a sharp Günther and sharp Dorothea on the way. I shouldn't be surprised that lovely curved one came from L.E. too, haha. Thanks again!

[@flod.5537]

Very Good work. I have recommended ist already to some of my Messer-fencing-friends.

[@NothingYouHaventReadBefore]

I adore this, it seems luke such a labour of love. Good job guys!

[@jonathanlair5948]

Very good job for the video and a big Thank you.

[@alexschexnayder8624]

I gotta say Oskar, as someone who's been waiting for an old injury to heal before returning to hema in earnest the fact that you've put this out there has made it possible for me to study messer, which weirdly is the only one handed system that doesn't seem to immediately aggravate my arm. Thanks for making it possible for me to train again sir.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

You're welcome! :D

[@mariacristinabarrosorodrig9498]

a remake from this video? please

[@VirtualFechtschule]

I have something like that in the pipeline. :) But it will take a while.

[@radeknemec]

Pure gold!! I'm studying Lecküchner's treatise now and you just made it a lot simpler for me, mister :-O :-) . Thousand praises to you!!!

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Thanks! Have fun with Lecküchner! :)

[@miguelveratraditionalarche9374]

Nice video I loved👊😀🗡

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@indeswma4904]

Wow! I was impressed by your individual videos here and there but this is an excellent piece of work. Well done and thank you for sharing this with the community.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

You're welcome!

[@anErnazure]

Even if this weren't otherwise great it would get a like for the dog yelling at the fencers in part of the beginning section.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Hahaha. Precious Roxy the Boxer. :D

[@agumm8198]

Awesome examples! 🙏

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Glad you liked it! :)

[@johndurish4092]

Oscar, a kinda deep question on plays 30R-30V (at 6:10), the translation of "Here the master speaks abut the sixth element that is called the Wincker and is one of the main elements in the Messer and strikes well in the "free fighters"..." has raised a question. Does "free fighers" here mean "one who displaces" or is this an opposing "guild" known as the Freifechter (sp?)? We were trying to understand the connection between "displacing freely" and the behavior of the ideal target for these plays, which made sense, but we debated whether one who "displaces freely" is a fighter who strikes to your blade, or, one who once they have contact tries to "displace" or push your blade wide. Alternatively, could this be a play against the "enemy guild" and it was something they didn't know about? We felt like the latter version was less likely, but we didn't want to rule it out completely. Thanks! Great video!!!!

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Hey, Check out the video that I did on the Wincker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYPVapSdiNGLpqs I think it is somewhat unlikely that this already refers to the guild, because it got recognition much later. It would have to be some sort of semi-illegal fencing society for several decades, so I think that's unlikely. I think it's rather more the type of behaviour associated with a certain type of fencer.

[@johndurish4092]

Thank you, and agree, we think it's a reference to the behavior, vice a guild. But this then begets the next point, of "free fighting" - this seems then to describe someone who is loose and fast, and flash, looking to chase your blade? We tend to focus a lot on the context of the plays, because the pretext of your opponent's behavior should dictate your choices, no?

[@garroyo23]

This is amazing, truly.

[@ScotlandsJan]

Thats very good. Which Messers are you using dir your techniques?

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Thanks! We use mostly Landsknecht Emporium messers these days, with Blachfencer for those times that nylon would be better than steel. :)

[@alexhunt7810]

Excellent resource

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Thanks! :D

[@aceofr3ap3r21]

Much longpoint in Lecküchner?

[@VirtualFechtschule]

There is indeed. :)

[@airnt]

jeemig, man, hoe lang ben je hier al aan bezig! petje af

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Dank je! Dit was zo'n vier jaar nu. Nou maar eens kijken of ik er over een paar jaar nog een keer helemaal doorheen ga werken. :P

[@airnt]

@@VirtualFechtschule lijkt me heel moeilijk om tevreden te kunnen zijn met alle clips... het zijn er zo veel dat je aan het einde van de rit alweer meer geleerd hebt en met het begin helemaal zelf niet meer tevreden bent. (alhoewel ik niks te mekkeren heb) dit soort werk valt mij bij 3-4 Stücke al zwaar, laat staan zo'n gigantische verzameling

[@basdoeksen7776]

Excellent reference Oskar! I love it.

[@VirtualFechtschule]

Nice to hear! :D

[@jamesrafael6794]

I see arnis and aikido techniques, too. Martial arts is really universal. But the unique double armpit "skewer" with the messer is my favorite @12:15.