Lecture15 Gothic Part1

ARTH2710 Art History to the Renaissance
Lecture 15 The Gothic Part 1
Travis Lee Clark
Utah Valley University
Summer 2020 Block 1

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[@mckennagrace1754]

Hi Prof Clark! I found you from tiktok. I just graduated with my Bachelor's in Art History. My focus was on Medieval and Gothic art History. I felt like I never learned enough in school, so I'm excited to be able to watch these videos in hopes of learning more/ confirming what I already know :)

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[@MindTardis]

The saint who protects against plague omfggg 💀 that's such an eery coincidence!!! hahaha

[@NewAbbySquirrel333]

I think he may have gotten his saints mixed up, I looked this up because I wanted to share with my mother, but apparently St Denis is not the saint who protects against plague, he protects against diabolical possessions and headaches? I'm not Catholic though, do saints usually have like a million things they're patron of and plague protection is just far down on this Denis guy's list? Idk.

[@TheOfficialOC]

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58:55 Is what everyone is looking for 🤓👍😂

[@kd9k4h8d]

The amount of detail you put into these lectures is amazing. I recently went through a history of architecture class and yours is seriously better, and this is an art class! Thanks so much

[@andreaivanna2185]

I've never been interested in architecture but after your videos i'm tempted to change my major hahahah im very glad i found your channel, it is amazing to find someone as devoted and charismatic as you are in your field! makes me wanna learn!! i hope (and am sure your students appreciate u ! loved it 10000/10

[@arthistorywithtravisleecla6343]

Thank you!

[@crisgo4875]

Tiktok really gonna have me learning about art history huh, ok but also, I have been looking for something interesting to learn while I’m working from home and the excitement/passion you put in your lectures is contagious. So happy to find this page! 💕

[@rsquarcini]

Man, you are good! Finally found art history videos worth watching.

[@tinaayer801]

Came through tictok...stayed due to great teaching abilities and the skill to engage an audience on why an arch is so useful in gothic architecture ha ha 😂

[@regeleionescu935]

Thank you for your high quality lectures!

[@didbara]

Even though I am a Programmer I love your lectures, and thank you very much for this amazing content.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

If you have pointed arches on the sides of a vault you can have the crossing arches round. That is actually what they do most of the time.

[@maitearanguren4498]

this is so amazing!! thank you v much for this class, i had never had the opportunity to learn abt art history (even though im v interested in it) so im glad you upload this kind of content 🥺❤️ keep doing it and i am (of course) going to subscribe

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Lavori Moderni sounds like a spell for creation ✨

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

The timber roofing of Notre-Dame which burned was actually from the original construction (mostly 1215), not a recent restoration like you say. They called it "la forêt": the forest. It is irreplacable. The spire was 19th century.

[@Hegeleze]

As I was listening about the explosion of churches in the 12th century I thought... well, the University of Paris started then too. Now, it wasn't taught in university and I assume architecture was connected with other local guilds, but I now realize that I haven't heard anything in these lectures about how architectural skill was passed on. I did a brief search and found crafts, stained windows guilds etc, but nothing clear about architecture. Any suggestions?

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

Quadripartite vaults predate actually sexpartite vaults, so they weren't really a discovery for the architects who made sexpartite ones. There are also octopartite vaults in a few churches like at Provins.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

If you want to go further than the English speaking world on Gothic, a few suggestions of French authors on Gothic: Focillon, Grodecki, Erlande-Brandenburg, Timbert. German ones: Kimpel, Suckale.

[@MrP981]

I was bored one day and, so, was doing some general searches, when I came upon these videos. Wonderful! With St. Denis, could the topic of teaching (religion) also be a part of the design? After all, Latin was still used, and how many people know Latin? However, people CAN understand pictures. On any account, I think you are doing a very good job of sticking to the point and not giving personal opinions as dogma.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

wooden roofed early churches had actually more light because they had thin walls at the windows and nothing impeaching the diffusion of light in the building. Saint-Denis is about the light to some degree, due to Suger's writings, but Gothic isn't.

[@ourladyofguadalupebotanica6732]

lecture appreciated

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

They were'nt really going for light in the Gothic, otherwise they wouldn't have put so many stained-glass which makes Chartres Cathedral so dark. I think they were going for the supernatural effect of dematerialising the structure. They succeeded in that.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

There is no birthplace of the Gothic which is only a scholarly concept, you would have to define it more precisely to say where it begins. Saint-Denis is quite exceptionnal, but is famed mostly because of Abbot Suger's writings' preservation. It wasn't a very influential building, unlike Sens, Noyon, Paris and Saint-Rémy of Reims, and later Chartres, Soissons and the later Saint-Denis.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

It is not the number of ribs which is six in a sexpartite vault, it is the number of stone panels filling in the space between the ribs...

[@Anna-jk9ty]

Thank you for this course. This is even better than Gombrich books in terms of making history of art accessible to people from outside the field. One question: does anyone know the year and title of that Panofsky (I hope I spell it right) paper?

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

It is a book: Panofsky, Erwin: Gothic Architecture and Scholasticism, Latrobe 1951. I would rather recommend reading Erlande-Brandenburg's books on the subject, or Grodecki or Kimpel and Suckale's.

[@Anna-jk9ty]

@@petrapetrakoliou8979 thank you!

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

If you think Saint-Denis is a small church you may be surprised if you visit it.

[@ElliesCousin]

pretty sure they had *paper* *cups* *w/* *strings* back in the middle-ages

[@r.v.7885]

Dr. Clark, you say the pointed arch is a unifying design element. But couldn't the same be true for the romanesque semi-culcular vaults?

[@regeleionescu935]

I guess he meant that the pointed arch could unify different sizes while the Romanesque semi not.

[@rwaccs]

11:40 xd

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

Panofsky was great but he did have some conceptions that were plainly false, like when he writes about how perspective works, you can see he didn't understand the ground rules.

[@petrapetrakoliou8979]

The Goths were actually Christians when they sacked Rome, so perhaps you went a little fast by saying they were from a totally different religion. But yes, the Gothic style has nothing to do with the Goths, right, unless you aren't referring to 12th-16th century architecture but actually to the art of the Goths, for which we do have remains like jewellery, decorated swords, and that is actually Gothic style, although nobody calles it that, which is a shame.

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37:14 omg are you ok?