Lee Not Good In Tekken 8?

[@KingJaeTV]

Do you think Lee is very strong, ok or not strong?

[@n1kkl3z]

Every character is strong in this game and compete, but it is relative to the cast. He is NOT S tier, but as with every character there are some good tools.

[@versatilelord8893]

My personal opinion is that Lee and Steve are characters that are nowhere near as weak as their player base likes to downplay them at. Not by a mile And Gm isn’t a downplayer but a lot of Lee players do downplay really hard

[@RationalMinded]

The game's mid and low tiers aren't at all bad until you compare their tools and properties to the special T8 treatment that top tiers got. I think Lee is ok, but "ok" in Tekken 8 =/= weak until you're fighting the top 5. He can still launch, carry you to the wall, and put Oki pressure on you because your 1 jab was high crushed.

[@exiledhebrew1994]

Lee is not strong; but Lee players are very strong. Lee is a specialist character that is only good if you master them, similar to Leo or Lars. Fighting GM is conceited though, don’t like watching him play

[@Dat_coach_reg]

Lee is just high b tier . The thing is if you dont press into his counter hits set ups he regular . He has to take big risk to open up a turtle wr 3,4 (step) B33 ( death on block) Punch parry ( launch on whiff) . Lee is def weird to fight. But once you get use to it and also realize his side step is bad, and other lows aren't scary its much easier . It make sense why a defensive god like ash puts him so low

[@PabelekPL]

The point of GM is not about Lee not being good. He's point is about Lee not being S tier, which is true. So I don't really get your whole analysis here.

[@RealMikeHollow]

I remember when I made a tier list early when the game came out and I put Yoshi at 2nd on the tier list and had people saying "Mikes not a pro player, he doesn't know" and now look 😂 As if you need to be a pro player to use your eyes. Besides, you are a pro player. I dunno why he made a random shot at you. Even if you didn't support him, you're not required to. Everyone's on their own grind. He should focus on building his own community and getting support from them organically rather than acting like people owe you something.

[@KingJaeTV]

It caught me off guard, especially when I have beaten NA best Asuka in Evo and various other names...But yeah this was a random shot for no reason.

[@OgSleep]

Yoshi 2nd is still relevant. He is so brain dead its ridiculous.

[@RealMikeHollow]

​@@KingJaeTV just yapping for the sake of yapping 😂 The Lee downplay needs to be studied. Even the notion that he doesn't have anything in Heat is kinda ridiculous when he's able to remain in Heat for a very long time due to the blue spark moves consuming much less so you can chip someone out or hit them for a long combo and still be in Heat. It's just cap.

[@faizanawais2845]

Nah bro, only GM and people who have won some Cadbury Mini rolls 20 years ago playing TTT2 can have an opinion yall are bums lol 😂 YA hEaRD?!!

[@exiledhebrew1994]

People act like because they are good at tekken they are better than other people. It’s weird. And that’s why I have Respect for both of you; MikeHollow and King Jae, because you guys keep it honest and respectful.

[@jonpro9637]

Fighting GM lets his smoke alarm beep for weeks on end ON STREAM and never changes the batteries while calling the people that clown him for it, weirdos. All that needs to be said, lmao.

[@exiledhebrew1994]

@@jonpro9637 hood mentality

[@kwaheri466]

I mean it’s kinda weird how you care so much about someone else’s smoke alarm and constantly whine about it.. I think GM is right there. And none of what you said invalidates who GM is and his skill lmao he’s a pro legend Lee arguably the best Lee on the planet… You’re trying to clown him but failed. If he thinks you’re weird for crying about his smoke alarms that’s what he thinks he’s right You guys are acting like he done something grimy or shady or evil he’s just being real about his opinion and what he thinks.

[@KennyCombo]

@@kwaheri466gm is an online warrior now he hasnt competed yet😂

[@ShinDMitsuki]

@@kwaheri466 Found the brother who won't change the battery in his smoke alarm

[@kwaheri466]

@ I don’t have smoke alarms, but I found the brother who’s dumber than a mf

[@CosmicVoid420]

3:40 I'm not a Lee player so I'm not downplaying or saying Lee is bad. Lee is good, just not S tier which is what fighting gm said as well. But most of the things you said that make Lee good aren't even that strong, especially to make him S tier. Also if he was S tier he would be played in tournaments way more often. b33f is launch on block for 21 dmg and +4. Meanwhile other characters have lows that do around the same damage and give plus frames while not being launch on block like Kaz db4 for example. ws23 is an i14 launcher but you need heat burst and unless they patched it isn't the heat burst inconsistent after it. Heat ff2 doing 10 chip dmg and +2 on block is nothing really special. Considering that ff2 is high, quite slow since it's i18 but it's a ff input and the move is super linear. His df1 being -1 on block and +5 on hit is pretty standard for a df1 with no extensions. He has a 10 hit from his df1 but the frames on each hit is terrible so doesn't really count. ub3 which you say is his spike move, but I think you meant ground hitting attack. Why should or would that be launch punishable lol? It being -13 is kinda bad since many other characters have safe, ground hitting CH launchers. Or just safe mids that hit grounded, some of which are even plus on block. HMS uf4 and HMS 4 are basically worse versions of Leroy HRM f4 and HRM b4. HMS uf4 is a very risky move in general being 26 frames slow and having no tracking. Also you can quick SSR into duck to beat pretty much all of his HMS options even if he enters the stance at plus frames like WR34 on block. Such as HMS 1, HMS 2, HMS 4, HMS uf3, HMS uf4, HMS 1+2 (2nd hit will whiff leaving him at -6). I think you can even beat HMS 3 if your step into duck is really precise.

[@MokBn11]

Pretty good analysis here. His lows are too risky and/or underwhelming to the point where its not even worth using at times (I’m looking at you db3 lol) I was also surprised when kingjae pointed out hms uf4 into guaranteed df4,4 like its some crazy useful thing when in actuality you’ll never throw it out in neutral coz a decent player will punish you for playing so risky and a yolo player will just mash you out of it. Like what lol

[@norf-kr6od]

Thank you for saving me the hassle of writing all of this out lol. Lee’s best moves are largely overrated by people who don’t play the character, because they don’t have the experience to know their value in the context of his whole kit. And anyway just because a character has some good moves doesn’t make them s tier, tiers are relative to the rest of the cast. I don’t think Lee cracks top 15 in this game let alone the top tier.

[@EZpZeero]

Being a good character and S tier is different things all together.

[@faizanawais2845]

Gm got a wierd attitude towards the community, constantly naming a shaming weaker members of the community (constantly uploading "this dude is a worst player in GoD". Wierd elitist vibes.

[@BLKthunda1220]

There's a difference between elitist and truly being in a different level. Tekken 8- you have sorry mediocre people running around who don't have the true skill players had to on in games like Tekken 5,6, TTT2.

[@faizanawais2845]

No Shade on GMs ability as a tekken player, he is Excerrent! But that is not enough for people to get behind you, it's about your personality what people gravitate towards you. Being salty like ASSUMING people owe you something "because I'm an elite player?" GTFO

[@jkdman2007]

He is honest about these streamers.

[@badr123456]

He's shaming people like they are bad players, but he doesn't understand there could be new players still learning obviously he himself been playing donkey years, then cussing noobs

[@neol07707]

It's the only thing he can do to try and get clout and views.

[@DreadPyke]

GM was probably out of of line for the pro player comment, but i doubt he meant it offensively. Regarding Lee, hes right that Lee isn't top 5 (what we consider S tier). I think you proved his point that Lee is good but not S tier, lets be real. We can sit here all day and talk about the gimmicks Devil Jin has, makes him useable but doesn't make him top 5. Lee is obviously a better all rounded character, but arguably someone like Shaheen is better. Doesnt make either of them top 5 if you see what I mean. I think you need to dial back and see the bigger picture a bit, calling out strong Lee moves doesn't discredit the argument "Lee is not S tier". Everyone has strong moves in this game.

[@jinjin45]

This guy gets it

[@forsak3n749]

Jae, the comment FightingGM made was uncalled for, but I completely agree with him that Lee is not anywhere near S tier. Even though your opinion is appreciated, it is clear that you do not have enough knowledge about Lee to give out an accurate opinion. The just frame moves with Lee are easier in heat because you spend heat to use them. If you miss the just frame only, your heat will do the input for you. If you land the just frame input correctly, you get heat back, but where is the net positive?

[@MokBn11]

Exactly and most of the time using heat to heat dash with ff3 is the best option, so the utility factor of guaranteed just frames in heat is pretty low.

[@henrynguyen4315]

Lees heat is one of the worst in the game, he gains nothing - no new moves, no new unique properties on certain moves nothing. He gets ff3 into a launcher thats it lol

[@aoibrando99]

Took the words right from me. He said a fact and this guy took it mad personal over a character he doesn’t know

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

How is it uncalled for this guy is good at tekken but he’s not a pro, he’s a content creator first and foremost

[@jmoorenyc7382]

Ya’ll taking this way out of context

[@kwaheri466]

People are stupid man this is how the world is someone gets butthurt over you saying you’re not a pro. FGC ladies and gentlemen what a stupid joke the FGC is.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

@@kwaheri466 Its sad bro. Im from a different generation. This generation is mad soft. Back in the day you had to earn your respect in arcades.

[@dylanmuir3229]

​@@jmoorenyc7382 the only thing that's sad here are the handful of people who are unable to move on and get with the times. It's one thing to defend a person for being toxic and an elitist, but claiming that this generation is soft while defending a guy who himself can't even take criticism without wailing in the comments is kinda funny.

[@raidennc]

@@jmoorenyc7382 funny thing is that I agree with you that this is taking what was said out of context. GM said that Lee was good, but not S-tier, which is accurate. No disputing that IMO. He also said that Jae isn't a "pro" player. Which I also think is accurate in the sense that Jae does base his career on his performance in competitive play. He is a streamer and content creator. (Which is also Jae's argument to GM as well in that he ALSO does not base his career on competitive performance in the CURRENT game. Which is also accurate). Both of them currently make their living off of content, not competition. Same as Majin. Doesn't take away from the legacy or the skill. We don't actually disagree, which makes it even funnier that you shot at me in a different comment thread. Smh

[@vexyboi267]

FightingGM literally said Lee is a STRONG character; just not S tier. Holy cow lol. King Jae took this way differently than he should have imo.

[@adetayoogidan8464]

he didn't say lee wasn't good

[@thenameisturbo]

"You don't leave your bedroom" 😂😂😂😂

[@darkninja9499]

Lee is as strong as the player.

[@CDDT]

After hearing the justifications, i gotta agree with GM. Lee is only a menace in strong hands... Most s tier chars are a menace in anybodys hands. Gm is a retired pro, i thought jae was a streamer guy.

[@kys125]

Not trying to argue but I want to understand something. Bryan is also a menace in strong hands. GM said he was also S tier. What for real makes a character S tier? I always figured it was a balance of how easy and good they are, but tbh this community in particular seems to have a different criteria every time tiers are mentioned lol.

[@pigmuffin3581]

GM is like mega rude and blunt in the way he says things but i agree he's not wrong.

[@Ahmeal]

King Jae has been top 8 in multiple local tourneys and has beat high level players before with bottom 5 LEROY. He definitely is a Pro by all sense of the term. The issue I found is Gm is a retired pro invalidating a current Pro, Pro’s status. Make that shit make sense?

[@dafyyyyyy]

@@Ahmeali was first in my local burger king tourney. Does that mean I can get offended when people dont call me a pro?

[@sltjk2472]

Everyone being butthurt over the not pro comment is soft as fuk. Youre a strong af player but youre not a pro thats just facts. Hows that coming after you? If anything you being emotional and calling him names is way more disrespect than he showed you. Just saying.

[@naping]

Some people in the FGC are very socially awkward.

[@blackandproud83]

Not some, A LOT.

[@SpicyPunkRockerOfficial]

@@blackandproud83probably like 80% lol

[@sneakerreview4397]

Of course they are lol they sit in the house and play games all day with little to no social interaction outside of some discord calls

[@raekwonunique2798]

You too in your feeling he said lee is good but he ain't S tier because he has no good heat mechanics

[@PDX_Crow]

He never said lees not good. Your complaints here just really show your unfamiliarity with the character. His lows arent that good(either seeable or super risky) you can get away without really ducking against him. theres option selects for HMS, all his damage comes from CH, and his heat is trash. Super steppable outside of 1+2. I think lee is great in this game, not trying to downplay him. But S tier in THIS game? Nah bro. He's a high B low A tier tops.

[@PDX_Crow]

To be fair though, I understand that GM does have a weird attitude, and he talks a lot of shit. I don't think he is like trying to be disrespectful, but that doesn't mean his words aren't harsh at times. He can definitely be a bit rude.

[@funkrates4778]

@@PDX_Crow He’s from New York. Probably from the Bronx or some area in Manhattan. They’re all like that. That’s how New Yorkers are. It can be abrasive to some but there’s not any intent most of the time.

[@vlastermaster]

ikr "i dont know Lee that well" but somehow Lee is S tier... GOT IT

[@WRagnaW]

As a Lee main for now, a can say Lee is really hard to step. Even if you had +1, you can't step his 11 frame moves, DF+2 also almost unreal to step if you has any plus, D2 also has a good tracking, fff3 and b3,3 you also need to step almost perfectly if you want to step and punish. If you try step left he has a lot moves which track this side.

[@vlastermaster]

@@WRagnaW this is the problem with people these days, i swear to God i dont mean to be rude or anything... but my dude here is Raijin with Lee according to his most recent video from a month ago and he has videos using Lee since at least 9 months ago... yet they be super active in social media comment sections spreading misinformation or even worse whining about the game being trash when their knowledge lacking about the game is HUGE... "Lee is really hard to step"... my dude, Lee isnt a bad character, but he doesnt shine in the tracking department precisely... probably when you play against another stiff blue rank who doesnt know Lee he becomes "really hard to step"...

[@sneakypeete]

In noticed that King Jae studiously avoided replying to any of the comments that correctly state that GM never said that Lee wasn't good just not S Tier. I Think that you realize that you are wrong and instead of being gracious leaving a comment of concession beneath such replies (by @PabelekPL, @CosmicVoid420 etc.) you focus on the pettier point of how you feel called out by him. A very moist reaction. A man calls out your competitive bona fides you don't prance about the topic with insults, and lame claims of having not travelled. You KNUCKLE UP. Run a set of Lee mirror matches against him. I'm fan but this was a reactionary, knee-jerk or a response video.

[@TurtleMonkeyGG]

GM is a great player but unfortunately his ego and insecurities hold him back

[@exiledhebrew1994]

It makes other tekken players look bad

[@Danish10xHD]

What insecurities? Dude is literally the best LEE in the world lmao. Got multiple records and tourney wins. A consistent high placing tourney contender. Ego? He’s just real. Some people don’t like that of course but he’s the realest dude you’ll know.

[@DeanExplains]

@@Danish10xHD Is he really the best Lee player? Asking respectfully

[@akarapongboonrat9338]

​@@DeanExplains Nah, one the top sure not the best

[@WuTheBat]

​@@DeanExplains at one point, maybe. Now? He doesn't compete at offline events against the current world top players anymore, so I doubt it. There's probably a Lee out there right now in Pakistan or Korea or something that would hollow him out, but GM doesn't go anywhere, so we'll never know.

[@David-og2sf]

Lee's ki charge is S tier though

[@OmegaXF]

Straight tf out,!

[@beigemaster]

MARVELLOUS!

[@MastaBroshiX]

Big facts

[@DivineKaze]

It's kind of weird because you said you don't know Lee that well, but you;re explaining all the things that make Lee good that GM probably already knows by heart.

[@KingJaeTV]

I fight against Lee so I see the stuff that is pretty strong!

[@hoshikuza144]

You can not know a character and still be aware of his strong tools..

[@manrightchea]

I don't have to use Mishimas to know that Hei is a damn problem. You don't have to use a character to know the strong tools they have.

[@Fleez311]

⁠​⁠@@manrightchea you definitely do have to get to know the character to decide on how strong they are and see what’s their counter play, especially considering you thinking heihachi is a problem. Just because you lose a lot to a character doesn’t make them good, if you actually try Heihachi out for yourself and lab his counter play you’ll see that his neutral is not that great, moves are extremely linear, terrible lows, stance gimmicks are fake, etc.

[@mastakilla7317]

its just a new yorker thing they like to talk shit or not sugarcoat it when they disagree with you but its not really personal

[@SoftActor]

That’s kinda what I mocked it up to be. I’m from up top and that’s how folks get down.

[@House_of_Green]

Yea didn’t sound like a shot to me, his statement about him not being a pro was just incorrect.

[@leafygreensmusic]

Came here to say this NY ish combined with a salty exit he gets defensive for how he perceive things ended in his time; I know many people like this being around the area not even tekken related lol, doesn’t make it right but

[@kwaheri466]

He’s not even talking shit he’s just saying what he thinks and yes it’s not meant to be offensive but these days everyone has soft weak egos. If GM fought KingJae right now GM would win, he’s a stronger skilled player and he’s legendary pro. People clowning him acting like he’s trash are just being stupid.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

Its a New Yorker thing lol you shouldnt even be talking……

[@jinjin45]

He didn’t say “Lee is not a good character because he doesn’t have anything in heat”. He said “Lee can’t be S-Tier when he has nothing in heat. Lee is a good character, but not S-Tier”, which is all true. The stuff he said about you not being a “pro player” was clearly just banter. He even said he didn’t mean it offensively. He also didn’t say “If you’re not a pro player you don’t get to have an opinion”. He heard through his chat (so who knows how true it is) that you said Lee is S-Tier, which is factually untrue, and in his opinion is likely the opinion of someone who doesn’t understand high-level Lee. I respect you and GM both and I don’t want you guys to beef over a misunderstanding.

[@liokimo3686]

I do believe he is wrong for the pro player comment. That was a bit petty. But your argument actually helps him. You are showing why Lee is a good character. He never said Lee is not a good character. His argument is that Lee is not S Tier. And you pointed that out. The characters in this game that are S tier are as you described Lee. They have everything that you just said that Lee has, they are great characters and play Tekken. But the difference between them and Lee is that they are also very strong in heat. That is the difference he is explaining.

[@ramsical]

i think king is saying Lee’s offensive tools are so strong that he doesn’t need heat gimmicks hence why ppl still take him into tournament.

[@jasonkennedy6844]

@@ramsical Who takes him in tournament? Only someone like Flower, Lee3, etc. who are Lee players to begin with. You barely see him.

[@ramsical]

@@jasonkennedy6844 i go to my locals and always see him and travel but could be regional i guess.

[@jasonkennedy6844]

@@ramsical Maybe. I watch most big tournaments and stuff and you don't see him much. Only longtime players too.

[@o.aquila1345]

@@jasonkennedy6844 you can barely see at the beginning of t8 at least 1 or 2 yoshi in some big tournament...despite he was and is one of the most strongest character in the game...i think lee is quiet underrated

[@Manley156]

Lee can be competent, but he is hard. Lee has great tools, but they require specific answers in response to the opposing players question. Lee has a good punish game, but it's tight and hard with bad connection Lee has great combo damage, but it requires high execution The only thing he truly lacks is a decent heat/smash and opening up turtles. He is by no means a top pick character and has essentially zero rep in high level play. He is not S tier, but he isn't bad. No character is bad in Tekken 8.... just some are significantly stronger and may work less in some capacities.

[@fffuuuyyyuuu]

laughable video, proved GM right in showing you know close to nothing about the character or what makes him good

[@exlexcel4446]

Meat riding 🙄

[@Ravemaster620]

One thing I've learnt is that pro players can be *dead* wrong when it comes to character strength. Doesn't matter if most of them say the same thing. Did you all forget how almost the entire community said Akuma was mid tier at best when Tekken 7 dropped on console? Do people forget how pros were saying Tekken 8 Yoshi wasn't that good?

[@gorguts6667]

KJ talking about all these moves like there aren't insane amounts of counterplay to everything Lee does. Character is clearly mid to bottom tier. Bro is mad that he gets CH launched for mashing in ranked. Here, I've solved the Lee match up for you. microstep to his weak side and duck. you cover 80% of his kit this way. you win.

[@CheesePuff67899]

Exactly bro really started talking about ff2, ub3, hms uf4, fcdf4, 3~3, b33 as if they are some god send moves

[@HistorySilhouette]

@@gorguts6667 correct! If Lee gets 2 ch’s then yes you have lost the round if they can wall carry well. If someone has even a little counter play to lees moves he launched or stepped.

[@jesus2056]

- KJ argues that he’s pro player and competes at a high level - Complains about a character whilst not even labbing him yet ???? I like KJ as a content creator/ streamer but tell this man to get in the lab and stop mashing bruh

[@sipparadoxtv5329]

FGC so freaking weird…. You shouldn’t have a problem with anything he said. He said he disagrees with your opinion on Lee and just said he thinks you’re not qualified over him to rank Lee. He said out of his own mouth “don’t get me wrong Lee is good”, but the question was is he “S tier”. And I think 85% of the community agrees he’s never been on the level of T8 Drag, Nina, Yoshi, Jin, etc. Then you literally start labbing the character not even knowing his kit and admitting you’re not a Lee expert… lol. Massive contradiction. Either way I like both of you guys. I don’t think he meant to be disrespectful you being a little sensitive.

[@forgive.them.]

Their reputation affects their finances

[@asugarush8970]

Literally this. He didn't say anything out of line at ALL.

[@sipparadoxtv5329]

@@forgive.them. yea I think beefing over literally nothing would effect it more than someone just saying, I don’t think you know the game that well if you’re saying a character is S tier that almost no one else does.

[@ZupremeKuzushi]

I was gonna comment this. Fully agree with you.

[@Albi9w]

I'll repeat what GM said in the first minute of this video implicitly: Jae "doesn't understand the game at a high level", "obviously he doesn't know the game too well", and "he's not a pro player". These and only these words are the exact reason this video exists, address these words please. If you think he wasn't out of line given the context of who Jae is, then ok it's subjective and it's opinion, but don't tell me there's no way these can't be interpreted as taking a shot.

[@ayyhermes5819]

He literally said he meant it inoffensively 😭😭😭

[@Albi9w]

Like me saying, respectfully, you mom is a street worker, no offense. I wonder why people get angry when I say that

[@Fleez311]

@@Albi9w except accusing someone’s mother of being a hooker is a personal attack. Telling someone that they aren’t a pro player is not at all personal attack lol

[@Albi9w]

@@Fleez311 context man. If you say to me In not a pro, by all means. If you say that to a pro however... And to me the worst part was "you don't know the game well"

[@Fleez311]

@@Albi9w all the context is already there, telling someone they aren’t a pro in a video game is not a personal attack, it’s a video game at the end of the day

[@Albi9w]

@@Fleez311 ofc, I was exaggerating to highlight that prefacing something with no offense doesn't really mean much

[@MrBackpack101]

2:30 The reason why gm doesn’t compete anymore is bc sponsors don’t give him a chance and he doesn’t want too. let the man stream plus that’s a lot of money to travel place to place. Also if you’re really worried about how he shits ppl then it shows how soft the fgc is which is sad. Ngl kj you’re worried about the wrong thing here what you need too do is grow your twitch up legitimately and stop view boting AND YOUR TWITCH AMBASSADOR SO IT DONT MAKE SENSE HOW YOU HAVE 70K followers on twitch but average out too 20 views like WHAT???

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

GM would smoke every NA player lol dudes underrate him hard

[@JohnSmith-yn9ju]

@@MrBackpack101 fr no one watches Kj. He fell off hard, while GM is growing

[@MrBackpack101]

@@JohnSmith-yn9ju that’s what I’m sayin bruh the fgc is soft and toxic af theyre always shitting on him for no reason and he’s just minding his own business streaming. All imma say is at the end of the day KJ just farming for views and cant think of anything else too do with his life.

[@JohnSmith-yn9ju]

@ exactly!!

[@You_Rage_Quit]

@@johnnymonsterrrronline* he would smoke every NA player online…😂 he got rocked at his locals for years cut it out.

[@President_Shin]

Like pro players aren’t wrong is crazy. I remember when “pro players “ said Akuma and Kazumi were bad.

[@ShinBladeTV]

KingJae is more of a pro Tekken 8 player than he is. He hasn’t traveled at all for Tekken 8 yet.

[@KingJaeTV]

Appreciate this. His Lee is very high level but confused on the call out he did.

[@kwaheri466]

Not surprised Shin blade throwing shots at GM cause GM beat you like a dog in tekken and exposed how you did some shady stuff I can’t remember the details but GM already exposed you for being a punk bro.

[@Mystra]

Has he even competed in any pro competitions? GM that is

[@Brid_tk]

@ShinBladeTV ur literally banned from sum tournaments clown, keep ur hands to ur self next time

[@funkrates4778]

@@MystraHas he even competed? Are you really asking that? (((Green rank alert!!)))

[@zephune9506]

I still say his lows are not scary, his slide and hitman sweep are so seeable. You dont really have to duck against him. If you sidestep alot you can destroy 90% of lee players easily. (Im not a lee player)

[@kwaheri466]

This part you’re right about Lee and GM would agree on this one

[@okaycoo4224]

I mostly get smoked by people side stepping.

[@allxfox5626]

I like GM but bro talk like he cant get whooped in reality 😂

[@Dagdah-u4m]

Hey Jae, good for calling this out. GM has been feeling himself ever since he had a bit of a rebranding as "Everyone's free coach" but he has always been a bit of a toxic element of the community. Don't stand down till he gives you an apology. He was a small creator before this, his skills in the game are great but he can't be talking about you like that.

[@OhRelaxAlex]

Nah our coach is Phi.

[@jamessummers5936]

All he said was that Jae isn't a pro and that he disagrees with Lee's placement on his tier list. I rock with King Jae, but entering a couple of tournaments doesn't make you a pro player.

[@Mystra]

@Dagdah-u4m That's why it's a branding rather than something real, he's not even most people's coach

[@jmoorenyc7382]

This generation is mad soft lol. Get your pacifiers.

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

1) all he said he isnt pro 2) he didnt say Lee isnt strong You re bugging so hard lol are you one of those GOD frauds he exposed?xD

[@Mattittude30]

Tbh I had too get out of gm stream bc he was always accusing me over some bs but yea he takes criticism too TOO FAR

[@blockchainballer4542]

King Jae said SIMMER DOWN 😂

[@funkrates4778]

Nice straw man argument King Jae. He said Lee is a good character, just not S tier. When did you get so soft?

[@KrisDee1981]

Typical progressive Brit.

[@funkrates4778]

@@KrisDee1981it’s weird man. Guy says Lee is S tier and GM says that’s crazy-which it is-and then he gets upset. He doesn’t even address his saying Lee is S tier but argues a point that GM agrees with. Also pro players are sponsored. Just because you go to a tournament doesn’t make you a pro player. Anyone and their mothers can register for these tournaments. Just pay the entrance fee and you’re good. What makes a pro player a pro is sponsorships. When you’re good enough that other people pay you play and represent them. That’s a pro player. Beating KingRey doesn’t make him a pro player. Just dumb arguments or being generally deceptive to start drama. Both are bad. Both together are extra bad.

[@GillioCameron]

Gm is a good player no doubt about it, he earned his stripes. But tbh he does think nobody is better than him and when he got outplayed actually by a player better than him. He starts to make up excuses. Hes a bad looser

[@levitate4694]

King jay I want you to use HMS up4 in neutral and not get blown up against high level players

[@Tenno22]

We doing FT10’s all 2025, no more talking 😂😂😂

[@jmoorenyc7382]

OK, not to start an argument here but GM has an indeed done his fair share of traveling. He was heavily competitive way back during Tekken 5 DR and came to prominence during Tekken 6. He’s won a lot of competitive tournaments. Now the reason why he’s not into competing today, you would have to ask him that question but to say that he hasn’t traveled inaccurate. What I think needs to be addressed here is that people need to accept constructive criticism and not take things too personal especially today’s younger generation. It’s not that serious y’all.

[@yeezywest1510]

Constructive criticism? “He’s not a pro”. Dude said if your not a pro player then you don’t understand the game.. LMAOOOO

[@raidennc]

KingJae didn't say GM has never traveled. Everybody knows GM has a resume in previous games. He specifically said he hasn't "traveled for TEKKEN 8", which afaik is accurate. GM had said previously that he doesn't think traveling for Tekken is worth it financially, so I believe that is why he doesn't. I remember him doing a breakdown on it once. Jae's point seems to be that GM isnt technically a pro either since he doesn't actually compete professionally anymore and that in that regard, Jae is more of a pro for T8 at this point in time. At least that's my understanding of his argument.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

@@yeezywest1510 How old are you? Do you play competitively? wtf are you talking about? Relax please.

[@jmoorenyc7382]

@@raidennc This is getting way out of hand. I'm sick of this generation crying. Live your life and choose to play or not play the game, just please stop complaining. It's unfortunate that you kid's s missed out. It's not your fault but you would have never survived back in the days where you didn't talk you earned your respect.

[@raidennc]

@@jmoorenyc7382 LMAO what are you even talking about? I feel like you are arguing with yourself right now. 1. What exactly am I complaining about? Not sure you even read what I said because I'm not sure WTF you are on about. I'm just clarifying the point about travel. Not sure how you got complaining about anything from my comment if you ACTUALLY read it. 2. What makes you think I'm a part of younger generation? LMAO. I was playing competitively in TTT1...I miss the old school era (and games tbh). I think you read a bunch of things I didn't even come close to saying into my comment. I had to re-read it a couple times because it's confusing how you got there. I guess you are so busy arguing that you didn't even try and comprehend what was being said. Another thing I hate about social media in "this generation". Things were better on TZ back when people had the attention span for reading comprehension.

[@isickhaze1172]

When GM wins, it's because you're a bad player, you got knowledge checked, your movement is horrible, goes and watches your previous matches and questions how you made to your rank. When GM gets washed you're lagging, you're random, you're flow charting, it's a bad match up for his Lee or he was intoxicated... Sidenote: GM really needs to stop playing with his nose on stream, as a former "Street Pharmacist" I see signs in bro that ain't a good look...

[@haziqtheunique]

GM messes with dat snow white? Say it ain't so.

[@jamessummers5936]

Y'all be doing the most, trying to stir up rumors that GM is a user is weirdo shit.

[@isickhaze1172]

@@jamessummers5936 I'm speaking from what I've witnessed in my lifetime, you're just speaking.... Relax

[@jamessummers5936]

@@isickhaze1172 Yeah ok former internet drug dealer, foh.

[@hoshikuza144]

@@jamessummers5936nah the dickriding is crazy

[@BobBob-mg3mi]

Also arslan ash is better than king Jae and says Lee is trash tier so who you gonna believe? A guy who came 33rd or a guy who ranks top 5 consistently

[@DavidsWalk]

You should’ve watched the entire context of that clip , no way you just got rage baited by the community .

[@AZYG4LYFE]

For me, my own definition of S tier, is the ease of the character in proportion to their reward. There are S tiers that require little ito medium investment that will yield more reward (Clive currently, maybe Feng depending on the overall knowledge the competition). There are S tiers that require specialist execution to really shine consistently (refer to Nina and Jodd, and to some extent Yoshimitsu). I personally don't think Lee is S tier material in comparision with the current power level, is definitely a solid A. He shines in his own right with good keepout, block punishment, and CH opportunities, but really lacks and intimidating heat game, throw game (no full throw game compared to Drag, Nina etc), and unsafety of his key lows, perhaps tracking as well to some degree. Otherwise, like all other characters, he has the tools to win and compete.

[@jamessummers5936]

It's always interesting to see different audiences pounce on other influencers - TMM people talking ish about LTG, LTG people dumping on TMM, GM's people dumping on Jae, Jae's people dumping on Lee, etc. It'll never end lol.

[@Fleez311]

He does get a little hyper defensive here and there but his whole attitude is just a New York thing, everyone over here is blunt and will tell it to you straight up but they aren’t meaning to attack you personally. I’d honestly rather someone be dead honest about how they feel considering a lot of people in the FGC in general put on a ‘nice guy’ act and pretend like they’re perfect.

[@manrightchea]

As somebody from the south, I've always seen New Yorkers as douchebags. And I have known quite a few. I don't really give a shit where somebody lives. There is a way that you talk to people and there's a way that you don't. Saying you from NY is not going to keep you from getting fucked up from where I'm from. Especially in the dirty South where people get a rolled on for disrespect all the time. He thinks he's hood, he don't know what it is.

[@stachujones2936]

In the past, in Tekken 7, if your rank was below Tekken King, you were always considered a scrub in discussions who didn’t know the game. People would say, 'You’re not even Omega, lol.' Now, in Tekken 8, with rank inflation, players improving, and most players being squeezed between Fujin and Tekken King, the new go-to argument in discussions is, 'You’re not even a pro, lol.' However, looking at Tekken 7's lifespan, it's clear that 'pros' aren’t always right. Great job King Jae on shutting down that crappy argument-awesome video

[@Howfoolish.]

As a Lee main, I agree that he's on the weaker side of the roster, but the roster in question is a fucking powerhouse, so he is strong, but he has some serious issues (risky lows, bad heat game and some execution requirements)

[@Tensai.]

lee strong def A tier, but also def NOT s tier

[@nahashammon1081]

hey man ! you should play lee to get a better understanding of why lee players downplay him, he's not bad, i'd say mid to high tier, but definitly not as good as you try to make him sound like.

[@KingJaeTV]

Don't need to play a character to understand how silly they are. The last time I called out Asuka being strong, I got her to GoD rank.

[@Holyjermaine]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@KingJaeTV I have to disagree. Lee is not Asuka so calling Lee silly is crazy when he has a lot of execution. If Lee is silly please hit God rank with him and don’t fully understand him and see what happens.

[@okaycoo4224]

@@Holyjermaine bet he won’t bc he already hates Lee he won’t join the dark side with us

[@kisenova4479]

Qudans a pro player and he never complains but recently said Lee is too strong and needs nerfs

[@KingJaeTV]

Bingo

[@NateBiggsby]

Pro players “downplay” their characters so they don’t get nerfed.

[@johnnymonsterrrr]

@@KingJaeTVdid you really say binge to “nerf lee” xD

[@Lay_rue442]

Brother are you serious? Active pro players downplay their mains all the time, it’s practically part of their job. JoKa in a podcast the other day tried to downplay Feng’s safe high powercrush heat engager that tracks to his right but he begs for nerfs to other top tiers

[@hiddentactics8831]

Lee is much better than Lee players give him credit for, but he’s WAY WORSE Than non-Lee players understand him to be. this game isn’t suited for him the way he is now, and how he released in Tekken 8 almost feels like he was a last minute addition, like they didn’t plan on putting him in the game.. when this game dropped he had a lot of issues, a couple bugs, and even now he’s still what I consider to be the worst Heat character in the game. he finally got a real Heat smash 8 months in, and all they did was make it -14 instead of -15. However, I don’t think he NEEDS to be a super strong Heat character. The bigger issue is that His defensive options have all been nerfed one way or another. His most important low, slide, is the worst of all the slide characters as it’s the easiest to sidestep, and doesn’t condition the opponent to duck since the frame advantage isn’t much and the damage is laughable. Lee has always been a defensive character. When you run this character you’re supposed to keep the opponent in check with pokes, run mind games with df1 and slide dash, then capitalize on frustration with his defensive tools. Unlike Tekken 7 where the character had a more balanced risk/reward factor due to his linear game and unsafe lows, in Tekken 8 he took a lot of hits to his core in moves like magic 4 and slide, and his new offensive comeback tool in b33 being launch punishable as well, the character has way more risk overall, even in the basic neutral. It’s not very feasible to stay safe as Lee while trying to enforce your gameplan. This added risk makes him unsuited to the metagame of tekken 8 since he’s always at risk of getting killed for attempting to play small tekken, and anti-Lee becomes a braindead game of “step-duck and wait for him to die.” So his defensive capabilities are worse and in exchange they buffed his offense with moves like b33, but it falls short as he’s always had poor offensive capabilities, so it puts Lee into this middle ground that he doesn’t fit into. His defensive options have been weakened more than people realize. The “buffed sidestep” doesn’t see much value, in fact he has one of the weakest sidesteps in the game. It’s not feasible to step a lot of characters when you’re playing Lee, and pair that with his bad backdash, his movement is in the bottom 10. On the other side, it’s quite easy to step Lee in this game, with a lot of players defaulting to sidestep duck to cover his options, which he can ONLY use slow homing (1+2) to prevent this from happening. In order for Lee to shut down players taking control of the match, he’s gotta throw out moves that are high-commital, highly unsafe, or linear. The problem this creates is that Lee as a defensive character gets overshadowed by every other character in his archetype, and he doesn’t have the offense to really compete with anyone. I don’t really see Lee as the bottom 2 character some people believe him to be, but I do understand WHY they think so. He is NOT as strong as you think. If I had to place him on a tier, it’s probably Lower B at best. If Lee had better movement, better tracking, and a few buffs to slide without breaking the move completely, Lee would not only be perfectly fair, but become incredibly more balanced.

[@3fones]

his slide is +2 on hit that’s better than average

[@hiddentactics8831]

@@3fones I think you meant to say +3. But if we’re saying “better than average” what are we comparing Lee’s slide to? Comparing frame advantage to the other slides makes no sense since they knock down, and if you compare this low to something similar, the closest thing would be like hatchet kick, which is +5. +3 sounds good but since Lee remains full crouched, he doesn’t have any strong options to prevent interruption. What low would you compare Lee’s slide to that would make its frame advantage “better than average”?

[@HistorySilhouette]

@@hiddentactics8831 it’s the worst slide in the game, it has the illusion to be spammed to a mixup but as you said it’s linear and the risk outweighs the reward. Knock down is what made the risk reward worth it as you have taken complete momentum.

[@thoraero]

Well said. I also thought his defensive options were overrated. b4 keepout only worked against noobs who ran in, and we seem to lose b4 delayed hms semi homing here, which limits its use even further. Without magic 4, but instead magic 4 "string", I always felt exposed to being ch launched by those characters with db4 and the like. d3 is only good against those aggressive players who don't know Lee. d4 4 is death if it's not a ch. Still I enjoyed him much more than T7 due to the offensive options added. More than seeing him buffed, I would prefer having all the mid heat smashes nerfed. Plus it would nice if, with the sliding nerfed, they could buff his FC df 4 a little bit. And add utility to his underwhelming (but cool) "just-frame" moves like b1:1+2 and ff2.

[@3fones]

@@hiddentactics8831 Nina, Clive

[@NocInRotation]

Here is the thing, dont take it personally. I'm not good at the game, so I'm far from a pro. But facts are facts, and he was being honest. You're not really a pro unless you're making like top 16-8. GM has won tournaments. So, even in his inactivity, he's accomplished more. He is a pro fr. Lee is not an S tier character. He doesn't play Tekken 8 like the rest of the roster. His combos rely on counter hitting while a vast majority of the cast will crush your shit for literally guessing wrong. Lees D3, does nothing if you do nothing. His slide? Does nothing if you do nothing. You get hit by it? So what? You block it? Easy punish. So no real 50/50. Yeah, any character can work in this game, but with everything every other character has to offer, he is bad in comparison. Don't get so offended by the comment. You're a content creator compared to the likes of the pro players that consistently make top 8. It's not disrespect. It's just truth. And most people don't like the truth, which is why people get defensive.

[@REPIN156]

I’m not gonna lie, he comes up on my feed and he comes off as a bully. All them videos about “this G.O.D is bad” and all that bull. I can’t stand people that put down others.

[@danmarksfinestedaniel]

He is actually doing a community service with that series; he is exposing the faultiness of the ranked system in Tekken 8 while teaching you. I think it's an excellent combo.

[@gfgfgfggg-i9w]

It's about being S tier , not about being bad

[@LowBackPain94]

"You havent left your bedroom in tekken 8..." lmfaoooo that was funny af. The tier thing is ironic because this take applies to Claudio as well. "Pro" players agree Claudio is S tier but the online community says he's trash. So who is right? 😂

[@arielcastillo3513]

Lee is ok. In a game centered around a certain mechanic a character who doesn’t really have access to it like others do is half a character. Lee with good heat would have an argument to be top tier. That being said, when it comes to Lee GM knows what he’s talking about. He does have his blunt NY style to him, although that’s no excuse, does explain his delivery of how he says certain things. At the end of the day, he is that good and has beaten your favorite tekken player in their prime in tekken games that were much harder to play than 8 or 7 with a much harder Lee to master. Disrespecting him is also uncalled for.

[@foxsteve9937]

lee is a beast the only reason we dont see him is execution

[@taleb6570]

As a Lee main, I agree with GM that Lee isn't S tier and is good but needs a good player behind it. In the other hand.. GM is probably one of the weirdest dons, guy is such a neek. I swear I don't see a single positive video from that guy. It's always tearing a player down, and if he loses a round "I messed up that move, he laggin". Even his "coaching", bruddah stops the clip every 2 seconds and just disses players. He just rinses people like Mainman and Miirio for views. Neeky guy. Don't take his shit Jae, there's a reason why you got more subs g. 🤣

[@conscriptreporting6265]

Lee IS very strong, if you take out heat from tekken 8, lee is a contender for top 10 even top 5, but as the game works AROUND heat, and Lee's heat is dogshit, he gets knocked down in tier list and strength wise, if your heat is bad, your char is isnt so good.

[@conscriptreporting6265]

how can you say GM has not travelled when he literally has a guiness book world record for most tekken tournaments around the globe? ok its not from tekken 7/8, but the guy has represented US for hundreds and hundreds of tourneys an won so many medals i couldnt even fit in my room..

[@conscriptreporting6265]

Gm never denied that Lee is strong in tekken 8, he's just not tourney viable as he has no heat, thats what gm says.

[@Allblaster]

His ff3 is enough to scare people to not press when Lee is in heat at range. Can get 85+ damage with wall if he catches you not holding back. In close range he has everything you need as well with a good df1, plus frame low into stance and CH tools. You don't need braindead heat mixups like Xiaoyu, Lidia, Nina and Raven to win the round.

[@conscriptreporting6265]

@@Allblaster one linear mid alone is obviously not enough to "scare" people, it is still very good though, but its like 20 moves that are highs and lows, and a single duck can give you a launch back, its too easy to defend against lee heat, at least his smash is not -15 anymore

[@WuTheBat]

​@@conscriptreporting6265 People are saying he hasn't traveled since the dinosaurs turned to tar. Which, in that case, he's not a pro either. So if a player not "being a pro" means they have no right to say anything about the game, then GM can't say much either. Especially considering he earned all his flowers travelling for older games, not the game people are talking about now.

[@JohnSmith-yn9ju]

Yeah Lee is okay. In heat he gets the just frames for free but it comes a lot of heat.

[@Holyjermaine]

Yeah Once you learn Lee the just frames in heat are useless 😭.

[@blackdream8822]

Don't be upset about what he say, no offense like he say too but he clearly know what he talk about, you're not an expert on Lee -> its ok, you say many wrong thing in that vidéo that GM alway talk and corrected in his Lee Tutorial. I'm not gonna tell what is it because its very long, by the way. I think you and GM must do some staff together like you did it with other pro player. You can talk directly with him about weakness and advantage. Maybe he must talk less "radical" ahah. Play Lee Jae, and you propably know whats GM tells you about this characters. If we didn't see Lee in tournament there is à reason. Like Kuma by exemple, Rangchu win TWT final but how many Kuma was in top 128? Same for Lee.

[@phenom504]

I don’t think there’s any character that isn’t good in Tekken 8, especially with heat on top of everything. Sure there are characters with bigger weaknesses, but everyone is viable and it also depends on the player as well.

[@raadbekatyzakov2029]

Fighting gm won a lot of tournaments since tekken 5 though and he is pro not just high level

[@fujin_cge]

All i'm saying is. If someone says i aint a pro tekken player, i'd just post a trophy/medal from a tourney and move on. I wouldn't feel the need to make a video about it.

[@Saucyy_Juss]

Mad respect to u Jae , continue to stand up for yourself and be as opinionated as u are For me personally I find it very distasteful and off putting when pros and elitists and other high level players talk down on players for having opinions on the game or certain characters simply because they aren’t as good. It really turns me off from engaging with the community and I don’t think these ppl understand that they are hurting the community and health of the game You don’t have to be GoD or be a pro to understand Tekken and to understand when something is weak or strong

[@IzNebula]

If we put Lee in the tierlist, he's at best A- because Lee forces your opponent to play at his pace with his CH, but that isn't enough in this game b/c when people turtle up his whole gameplan begins to unravel. His damage is above average and he's CH game is top tier, but guess what, all that doesn't matter when your opponent turtles up. His heat also doesn't help vs turtles and it's probably his least fun aspect for me personally. I wish it was more fun, doesn't even have to be better. A character being annoying doesn't automatically make him S tier, look at DJ for example, he's annoying but isn't S tier. Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive. B3,3 is a strong tool, but getting it blocked once you pretty much lose the round 80% of the time. You don't spam b3,3, you use it to begin your offense on turtles due to it's speed and tracking. If you really think Lee is S tier, then I I have to agree with GM's take in that sense. I can't see I agree with him saying you're not a pro an pros opinions aren't the only valid ones, but that's just GM being GM, he said the same thing about Imyourfather. A character being good or annoying doesn't always mean they are S tier.

[@Radiovietz]

i remember when he made video about GoD bryan sayng that he is worst GoD and have no combos, while at the same moment watching him do wall to wall death combo. i asked him about it and gm just said that im stupid. oh well.

[@KazamaGEN]

U are cuz Bryan is know to have the best damaging combos in the game soooooo u are

[@Radiovietz]

@KazamaGEN what?

[@chrisbenavides7696]

Forget that rat looking goon.

[@Chris_Da_Prince]

As a hwo main I secondary Lee. I ALWAYS told people Lee is so strong in this game even without heat. I think he’s a stronger character than Hwoarang because of Lees tools. People think he’s plus but he’s always minus 98 percent of the time. People press into Lees -1 -3 which he has plenty of counter hit tools to feel like he’s plus. His lows are trash but still use it from time to time. I kinda use b33 every so often and just use b3 at the beginning into uf 4 to launch duckers. D3 is a high crush but be careful when blocked because it’s laugh punishable. It’s so much stuff and tech you can use with this character. You just can’t press into Lee. Lee teaches people not to press into him or else you get counter hit. When you don’t press into Lee he has a very hard time fighting into neutral so you rely on movement and keep out. And you don’t press into Lee while in HITMAN for the most part. I watched GM on stream when he said this. It woked me up out of my sleep when he said this😮. I was waiting for the response vid 😅

[@electricwindgodfedora3453]

Rule #1 never listen to Lee mains

[@kwaheri466]

Rule #1 never listen to GM haters with no brain cells whatsoever.

[@TheHollowFace]

Damn your pfp is a throwback

[@Manley156]

This seems beyond silly and just downright naive

[@byronjosafatmartinelli7373]

He says lee players is scammer just bcs his just frame is guarantee on heat This guy maybe is the best analysis on tekken man, someone hire this man🤣

[@PearlsOfwiszdom]

Fighting GM looks like Neon's older wasteman brother

[@smallwonder866]

A couple of things: 1. I hate that Tekken 8 has caused so much division. 2. It has become tradition for “pro” players to downplay their characters and call them mid. 3. I will continue to petition for a “legacy” mode, where there is no chip damage, heat, or rage arts.

[@superdupeninja8149]

Tekken 6?

[@CosmicVoid420]

i would want a legacy mode too. but be real legacy mode will never happen lol. at that point just play tag 2 solo mode or tekken 6 and the games that came before

[@exlexcel4446]

In the words of Harada you have Tekken 1-7 making a petition pointless tbh

[@thoraero]

Be cool. That guy bited everyone.

[@detestable_one]

I feel you on the 'not a pro player' disrespect, is man following your journey enough to be making calls like that? But mate, he never said Lee wasn't good, he specifically said he's not S tier, and I'm inclined to agree; as much as i love maining Lee, heat is just a combo extender for this man (and chip i guess)

[@neol07707]

gm is extremely narcissistic and toxic. i hope more people start to realize just how toxic he is

[@dwnpour4122]

You lot are soft😂

[@detestable_one]

He was waaay worse back in day, couldn't stand it. But hes mellowed out last few years for sure

[@ksang0013]

Everyone already knows at this point, and either you like him or you dont.

[@RJUmbra]

that thumbnail done GM dirty 😭

[@levitate4694]

Lee heat is absolutely terrible for Lee mains who already know how to do the just frames from T7 and they already nerfed home in T8

[@zaimrana2746]

Lee ain’t even A tier tbh but gm be targeting people here lol

[@c.c.anubis]

Doesn't Lee's Heat make his ws1,4 a 13f launcher? Imho, even if he gets nothing else, a once per round 13f ws launcher for about half your life with no walls, and more than half and wall oki with a wall is still a pretty amazing deal as it gives him insane comeback potential.

[@GibbyVee]

Its 14f

[@alidagreat32]

And just because somebody not a pro player dont mean they dont have a point but he always say people not good if tthey dont play like he play or agree with what he say he need to stop that but you good King dont even sweat it 💪🏾

[@tiger-rgn]

back 33 alone made lee into a noob character in this game, yet they act like he is an elite character, his acid rain is MAAAD easy to do

[@okaycoo4224]

If you don’t like lees b33, let me show you these characters….

[@bioswat96]

Tired of people downplaying their characters. Lee has much cheese. Yes, he is not as competitive as drags and fengs but that doesn't mean he is weak and can't play in ranked games.

[@thenameisturbo]

Lee has crazy evasion plus his ff4 is damn near impossible to react to not to mention in heat.

[@faizanawais2845]

Yo king, you got a new setup?

[@KingJaeTV]

Nah backlog of videos to upload accordingly...

[@faizanawais2845]

Good things come to those who are patient 🙏 keep grinding best of luck to you and Family. ❤

[@IamthatGuy-]

What leroy has in heat some characters just don't need special moves in heat

[@jamessummers5936]

Just a good Lee player? The same Lee player who bested Arslan in a T7 set and did his thing in the pro curcuit in Tag 2? I rock with both of you guys, but come on...

[@frustratedlemur]

Jae salty cause he's not a problem player

[@SleepAllNightNapAllDay]

I don't know man. I understand your attitude and reaction towards GM. He sometimes says stuff that (can) sound rude. For a streamer or someone with an audience, I think it's good to mind his language and tone. But that's something he has to decide. For me, it's not fun to watch him play when he is talking trash about his opponents or complaining about the game. But this video was hard to watch. GM always defends Lee saying he is good, even when Arslan said Lee is trash. GM is saying Lee is good, just not S tier. One of the big reasons is his lack of threat in Heat. In Heat, he can perform his JF moves without JF, something no Lee needs or should need. Performing JF moves correctly in heat prolongs being in heat.. for what? He doesn't have anything special in heat to threaten with, like most or all of the cast.

[@TheLenny655]

The thing is, Lee relies solely on fundamental Tekken while other characters got buffs through gimmicky and uncoventional moves and systems. His punishment is great but it has a skill wall to master and topple that with barely any gimmick shinnagans with or without heat, you will see how he is actually mid when compared to the cast. His 13frame ws launcher is a nice buff but he had that in tag 2 so we're not breaking barriers here as he was no where as op as the Mishimas in that game.

[@nixuniverse5240]

See the thing here is that you’re listing off things that make him a good character yes but not S tier. Even GM says he thinks Lee is undoubtedly a good character but just not as good as you’re making it out to be. Lee’s biggest strength is his wall carry (which is a trait that’s barely even unique to him anymore) and his wall combo damage and get-up oki. Other than that you have a character that can work and do well, but he’s surrounded by other better characters you could be using.

[@tekkn_579]

FightingGM said Lee was A+. So not too far off i guess,. Bro just has that aggressive New York mentality, its a part of the charm lol.

[@You_Rage_Quit]

He looks like Earthworm Jim…😂 he not aggressive outside 😂😂

[@flemin9k]

Iv been wa[ching fighting gm for awhile. He's developed this us vs them strategy. He puts everyone down to elevate himself. I wouldn't take it personal he calls everyone bad and trash but not him he's the best 😂. I told him this and he blocked me on KZbin. He loves to critique others but can't receive it. He's becoming the next LTG

[@DarkLess89X]

I've played Lee a bit and in my opinion ihe has his strengths (like all Tekken characters) only there are characters who have more strengths than him. WS2,3 to date I think it is the best 14f punish in the game both in terms of consistency and potential damage. for example, if I have a Jin against me (and I only find Jin in ranked) if I manage to parry d2 with WS2,3 it's a dead jin while with Yoshimitsu the most I can do is WS1,2 which does like 30 damage. Lee also has an excellent variety of defensive moves that are extremely fast and useful in countering. For me its flaw is that without db3.3 it doesn't have fast and easy low in his moves

[@conscriptreporting6265]

you should try to play lee KingJae, maybe you will like the character and the challenge it is to play him!

[@xitskayo_]

Fighting gm is a clown fr 🤡

[@usmansubhani7482]

GM is doing this weird bad boy persona that is too sane. Dale is fun because he genuinely doesn’t understand his own toxicity. This guy actually does dip his toes in toxic for views.

[@Nkodtb]

He ain't just doing it for the views. That's how he is. I personally don't have a problem with it, but yeah.