Legacy of Kain Reboot?

[@GeorgeSearsSolidusSnake]

Please no. The way to go forward is either a sequel to Defiance to finally conclude the story, or a full remake of Blood Omen. Preferably both.

[@Nero_PR]

Both is good

[@MrFuckshitdammit]

If they remade blood omen and soul reaver, it could be an opportunity to include soul reaver's intended ending, creating a fast track to story telling beyond the events of defiance. SR2 and defiance essentially spent their narratives finishing what they couldn't before and fixing the inconsistencies created by the development team for BO2. Imagine if they could circumvent that and tell a new story sooner, and more neatly.

[@andreabriganti5113]

The story is concluded by not having a full closure. If this change, the whole tale wouldn't be the same.

[@k-yo]

We gotta be real, I don't think that approach is feasible today. Commercially this game gotta make sense, and times have changed. It's impossible to make die hard fans happy while introducing new players.

[@andreabriganti5113]

@@k-yo When a game Is good, new players will enjoy It. The foundations are good and drastically changing what made this saga so unique, would only lead to failure. If new games will be made from this franchise, those need to start from those foundations otherwise, it wouldn't be LOK anymore.

[@Mr.Hassett]

If it's made in the style of Souls, it doesn't mean it would be clunky, slow, with "weak" player characters, limited to environmental storytelling, or difficult in the same way. They could still incorporate all of the things we love and still do it in the same style as Souls. Not to say they're great games or not, but the Jedi Fallen Order & Survivor games and Black Myth Wukong are in the style of the Souls games. Black Myth is a cross between Souls and GoW and I think that would lend itself really well to Legacy of Kain.

[@k-yo]

Man, demanding Michael Bell to come back is a travesty and being out of touch with the reality of life, honestly. The guy is almost into his 90s and his voice has taken a toll. I don't think we should burden him with that responsibility anymore. The mantle has to be passed respectfully!

[@SadisticMonsterMan]

He teaches voice acting now. He may very well be able to Reprise the role with agreeable accommodations

[@zerocrutch]

I disagree. Find him that stuff Biden snorts and let’s get to work folks.

[@KaeGraves]

he has stated that he wants to return for the role and is just waiting for a call, same as Simon Templeman

[@Calypso694]

im fine with the torch being passed but not to ben starr lol. Hes a fine voice actor just not for Raz or Kain imo. Mike still voice acts now and again he was just in this film Troll or something as an english dub for the president of sweden or something.

[@GeorgeSearsSolidusSnake]

@@k-yo His voice still sounds the same to me. He looks healthy as well. If he is interested why not? Besides he has said that recording a Soul Reaver game was done in mere days.

[@lumpcrittergravy]

No remake. Just remaster the five games and make a proper conclusion. Then maybe in the future, Remake.

[@campersruincod6134]

Agreed

[@zachariahtuttle3543]

That would literally never happen

[@station-7]

That’s what I want too but they won’t just make a conclusion to the franchise out of the blue

[@donovanfaust3227]

​@@zachariahtuttle3543hey we're already halfway there with the Soul Reaver games just getting remastered.

[@rhinochickenflakes9056]

Listen if they can give us the quality of a remake such as RE2? I'm down for a remake buddy. Capcom set the bar extremely high with remakes. They can go with a remake if done correctly and with the right squad of developers.

[@ZeroKyori]

If you can’t get amy hennig to finish the story, don’t even attempt to finish defiance’s cliffhanger.

[@franciscor390]

That's the main issue with a reboot you're simply not getting the original vision. Also trust and believe a modern reboot will come with all of the baggage of modern messaging. It's basically a trap.

[@Krooksbane]

If they make a new legacy of Kain game, they have to make it a sequel in which an uncorrupted Kain tries to defeat and destroy the elder God. It’s the next logical step in the story which, by the way, has not actually been concluded yet.

[@Rfox305]

That was actually the next project after Defiance and I would've loved to see that but it was cancelled. Kain was supposed to go up a ton of years and put an end to the Elder God. Now, if we are being real in my opinion in order for that to happen the game needs to gain more popularity and exposed to more gamers out there in the form of comics, remasters, remake. In other words, it needs a lot more exposure to reach millions of consumers. Otherwise, it'll be dead in the water

[@tengr0057]

@@Rfox305 You can thank the corpos for that. It seemed at that time, tomb raider sold better back then. Imo, Defiance ending was bitter-sweet and open -ended. I think it was fitting for the series. I'm cool with that, but I dread at the thought of reboot/remakes of these characters.

[@Rfox305]

@tengr0057 I dread at those thoughts too bud. Especially in this era and age were gaming is not really directed to the majority of the consumers but rather to other subjects that have nothing to do with games at all.

[@Rfox305]

@tengr0057 Tony Jay is gone, the rest of the voice actors who voiced the characters are not getting any younger. What I'm trying to say is if they want to reprise their roles for a remake or a sequel to Defiance then let them have it. They will need someone who can voice the Elder God, someone qualified who respects what came before him. I'm willing to give them a chance at a remake or a sequel as long as they keep it strictly about gaming and not mess around with whats already established.

[@tengr0057]

@@Rfox305 I'm trying to gatekeep tf out of this franchise to not be tarnished with modern bs, because this is so well-written, voice-acted and made with labor of love that I really don't want to see the ''netflixed'' -version of it. I wish I was calling the shots what to do with Legacy of Kain; It would be; Naah, let's brainstorm some own ideas!

[@thegumgum1551]

I think a remake of blood omen is needed for sure, just bundle blood omen 2 and defiance together and remaster them like this game. Personally I think they need to look at god of war or the Witcher 3 for inspiration

[@ouroboros5793]

Are you calling for a remake or remaster? Because they're not the same thing. BO should be remade at this point. It's completely outdated and was close to being so when it came out originally

[@Slampbell]

3:40 - he's not a random voice actor. He mentioned that he wanted to voice Raziel in an interview once, about a year ago. I tried to pay for a cameo session where he would read the SR1 monologue but he turned it down (gracefully), mentioning there was too much crossover in terms of legal red tape.

[@rikybj0276]

hummmm

[@carnagerage93]

I think a good voice actor for raziel in a reboot of legacy of kain i would have to go with Troy baker. Cause he has a really good british accent

[@KaeGraves]

I believe what he means by dark souls like gameplay is a medieval style of fighting and magic use, which is basically set in blood omen 1. I don't think it'll be a hard souls like game in the sense where you struggle the entire time, but the environmental story telling idea would be very good to the narrative. I can see the potential idea but I think it also needs to borrow from other jrpgs for the magic system to be fluid enough to feel like an addition and not an overpowered way to play. I have a suspicion they are remaking blood omen 1 based off the locations in the art and the art of Nupraptor implies so. Here's the thing, if I remember right the last canceled game was called dark prophecy and would have older Kain and younger Kain gameplay, this is either a remake/reboot of the original blood omen, or it's a new game. The second thing I've heard is that Michael Bell has already been contacted, but Raziel isn't in the original blood omen at all, in that part of the time line he's long dead and in the main games he's never really in that era and when he was he was having that conversation about the coin with Kain. Lastly, I have said it for ages that they cannot go forward with these projects without Amy Hennig, it just wouldn't be possible without her. Well go look at the additional content credits and look who's name is in the credits for this remaster; Amy Hennig. I strongly suspect based off the art alone we are getting a blood omen one remake, but I can't be sure because of the rumored addition of Michael Bell. ...unless it's actually a remake of blood omen AND a sequel.

[@Coreisus]

I think Dark Souls gameplay would fit within the Legacy of Kain setting. Just make the enemies weaker. Same gameplay, but less spongey opponents, and stronger defense for Kain. And a more traditional style story. Like there's no reason that it *has* to be exactly like Dark Souls.

[@Bajamamut]

"What? A Mug of Ale for a weary traveler from distant Coorhagen? I will reward you well, for I am of Noble Blood!" *Drops a sack of gold coins onto the table *Takes a sip *Dies "Vae Victis[...]"

[@TheDiamondSea]

Definitely need a conclusion to the main arc.

[@thewhistler6537]

Also, I know we talked about this a bit before and I'm not trying to change your mind but I think it's worth noting the combat in Fromsoft games is essentially a better version of Zelda: Ocarina of Times combat, Soul Reaver seemed to have taken inspiration from that so I believe that's how some folk reach that conclusion. Now I don't disagree, but I do want to mention that with the right equipment and stats you can easily defeat enemies in Fromsoft games with one hit, even bosses. If you remove the stat building and weapon buffing then I think the combat would lend well to the LoK series. The way Fromsoft games present themselves with the dark gothic tones is what I think a lot of folk mainly want to see implemented into a reboot. Combined with rich cutscenes and intriguing narrative. I completely agree that the way Fromsoft tells stories would not work well with Legacy of Kain. Some in world lore building but we need cutscenes and character interactions to really drive the story along. The folk that call for a more Fromsoft approach are probably speaking more of the combat (without rpg stat elements) and the dark and grotesque tone of the world and narrative. I have played and 100% all Fromsoft games and if I'm being honest, dealing with rpg elements like weapon stats, armor stats, and what spells give me the best buffs was the least fun part of the whole experience. I would say a less punishing version of SEKIRO would jibe well with a Blood Omen reboot. That game had one weapon (not suggesting one weapon for a reboot btw) and the focus was on deflecting and attacking. It wasn't so much about stats and was focused more on raw gameplay, these are your tools, learn them, get good with them, now destroy! You could jump, use a grapple hook for traversal, sneak, swim, ect. It was a much more fun Fromsoft experience in my opinion but again it was very punishing, I would like them to follow those concepts with more of a power fantasy in mind. Sorry for rambling, I agree with most of your takes. Maybe check out some videos of Sekiro gameplay to see what I mean. I feel the attack/deflect system in that game was what Blood Omen 2 was trying to achieve back in the day. Thanks for reading! Looking forward to your next video homie.

[@k-yo]

As a long time LOK fan that recently got in love with Elden Ring, I 100% agree. It can be adapted to work well. It should not copy the gameplay, but derive inspiration from it.

[@thewhistler6537]

@k-yo Thank you, and like I said, I think simply removing the rpg elements and punishing difficulty while keeping the focus on engaging combat and maybe a few powers for Kain to demolish his enemies would be a lot of fun and not much different than what we already know and love. The combat is not much different because both zelda and Fromsoft games use a similar lock on system, they just need to give the player a feeling of power. More executions, enemies/player traps, and just more attention to making it visually appealing and engaging which is why I suggested leaning into how SEKIRO handled combat and player movement. I'd also like to see the return of weapons to find in the world and picking up weapons dropped by enemies. I feel that added a lot to Soul Reaver and Blood Omen 2's gameplay loop. In Fromsoft games you can get enemy weapons, but they act as a drop that gets placed in your inventory. I think having them physically in the game world to pick up and drop at your discretion is essential for a reboot and was part of the reason LoK game's combat was enjoyable.

[@tonyyolo4774]

Yeah, but then you accept that most of what makes a Souls game a Souls isn't exactly what you want for a Legacy of Kain game, you could get a lot more inspiration from the newer Zelda games which have a lot more in common with the genre I at least really want, which is Metroidvania.

[@thewhistler6537]

@@tonyyolo4774 I mentioned both titles but mainly leaned into Fromsoft titles more than Zelda because I don't want to paint the picture that I want LoK to be more 'cartoony' aesthetically.

[@Foxeyflex]

I think a darksiders 1 feel would fit great for a BO remake. A few weapons that could be upgraded, spells that could be upgraded, items, etc. I'd prefer some odd blend of Darksiders 1 and Sekiro.

[@tonyyolo4774]

I totally agree with the idea that the gaming industry is in a really bad situation, I feel like it needs to burn down and start again because they strayed too far from what people really want and I think the problem is half political dei shit and half greedy businessmen who know nothing about video games, it's a shame and I hope it gets a little better at least in these years.

[@ShaunMeechan]

I think the art style of dark souls/elden ring would fit nicely. The mechanics would need to be different I agree, you play as two very powerful characters and of course we need to amplify that in the gameplay loop. Great voice acting, great narrative, score and sound design is the most important thing here!

[@2236gaming]

I agree some of the concept art looks super-new. I don't know how to feel about Reboots, but the concept art collection in the game made me think immediately about a Blood Omen reboot or something in the works, especially the young Kain that looks like the art that Piotr Jabłoński made for Diablo IV, especially the Necromancer illustrations. About the Soulslike combat applied to a LOK game, I think you could borrow some elements like the lock-on, but soulslike are all about combat, we need LOK game to be mostly about exploration, immersion and puzzle solving.

[@k-yo]

I for one, would LOVE a soft reboot/remake, taking great care to fix some minor plotholes, maybe even the whole plot of Blood Omen 2 (while still keeping the hylden, because I liked how the writers incorporated them on Defiance), and incorporating ideas that got the cut originally. Give it a souls-like + metroidvania-inspired gameplay approach, with interesting puzzles like the originals, don't ditch the stage/Shakespearean/gothic atmosphere, keep most of the original characters, but introduce a couple of well-written new faces. Then just wrap up the story of what happens after defiance, or rewrite that ending to give a proper conclusion (I wouldn't mind). As long-time fan who is not out of touch with how times have changed (let's be real), this would be a dream come true, a proper modernization of the series while respecting the lore and world-building. I mean, with time travel on the play, just call it an alternate timestream that was the result of some more time-fudging by the characters, the original timeline can remain intact and part of the whole lore (to keep die-hard fans "happy") and would ultimately end on the same conclusion, due to time being like the flow of a river (you just can't completely change it's course).

[@PrismaticWolf]

I agree with folks saying Elden Ring-like in scope maybe, not gameplay. I do think that sort of world, discovery, immersion etc would be amazing for Nosgoth. And gameplay of idk... Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom sans motion control? That might sound weird but Blood Omen 1 was a Zelda-like so

[@Emerald_Blasphemer]

I think you're taking the Fromsoftware comment a little too literally. He probably just meant similar in terms of general world progression and atmosphere. Not every mechanic and design needs to be identical to it.

[@apollonmoropoulos6900]

The recent jedi games could be a guide for a all new 3rd person blood omen, and i would be all for it. It is more action oriented, but also has metroidvania elements and in combat sometimes can feel challenging like a souls game

[@niizzy7485]

Most of this is huge copium, but i mostly i agree. Even though i am not sure how raziel would come back, micheal bell is over 80 years dude. At this point i just wish for his health to be good. Second point, i kinda agree with the others, i'd rather get a conclusion, a sequel if you may.

[@Eggasalad]

A Legacy of Kain reboot makes a lot of sense and in terms of Fromsoft pay less attention to combat mechanics and more attention to their level design. I agree that the methodical combat doesn't make sense for Kain (unless you play as pre-vampire Kain) but the demon souls remake level designs, especially The Ivory Tower and Bolitaria, are masterful examples of how to apply Gothic horror elements to how you build out an environment.

[@wildervibrations]

Political agendas are a factor, but a minor one. The real reason that the games industry is crashing is the same reason it crashed in 1983: poor quality, buggy, unfinished games being released at full price, destroying consumer confidence. Developers thought they could sidestep this by virtue of modern technology allowing them to ship it and patch it later. The market is proving them wrong; finally.

[@franciscor390]

Not a minor one but rather a piece of the puzzle, another part is "corporatism" where short term growth (an unsustainable model of it) is prioritized and the identity (or direction) of the company is completely lost. Then we have what is perhaps one of the biggest issues, where the international money banks have been flooding the video games market by hijacking the whole process of how business and protocol are traditionally conducted. This has caused a disruption by sabotaging stocks and numbers, while then expecting to buy up IP's, dev studios and companies at the lowest possible cost.

[@misapheonix]

Poor quality and poor politics are one in the same ol

[@MrHalo087]

Can't be woke. If the new legacy of Kain is woke It will fail.

[@Filip.777]

it's the major reason, all the stuff you listed as problems are directly caused by political agendas and hiring based on checking the dei boxes instead of hiring on merit

[@arx3516]

For any potential remake of either Blood Omen or Defiance i'd prefer a "single lock" type of combat system (like Soulreaver, Ocatina of Time, Dark Souls etc.), to a "free flow" system (Devil may cry, Defiance, God of War). etc.) As i prefer the combat to feel personal and visceral, rather than fast and frenetic.

[@Simon53188]

I think a remake would be great. More realistic character models, updated controls, different gameplay mechanics, puzzle mechanics, everything could be really updated and loads better of handled correctly. Raina Audron should be brought on as supervisory/quality control.

[@pgcroonerva3256]

I agree with most of what you say, except for the more realistic character models. You could mean just better graphics and more pixels. But I actually prefer the more stylized World of Warcraft/dark siders visual aesthetic to the series. I don’t believe this series hasta, be hyper, realistic, looking, which again you might not be saying that.

[@smexehcougah3]

One of my biggest pet peeves is when someone fails to understand I point I'm making and focuses in on the wrong part of what I'm saying. If I was one of the devs I would be so mad at Calypso right now.

[@turgonmorphon324]

They can do a Blood Omen remake but I do not want a reboot of the whole series. They tried that with the canceled Dead Sun project and thank goodness we dodged that bullet. That game was Legacy of Kain in name only. Now they can make other games starring other characters as long as they fit the original narrative that was already laid out, and most importantly moving forward with a new game that is a sequel to Defiance. They can do a game that centers around Raziel's years as a Vampire before he got cast into the abyss. They can make a game about Vorador and his younger years as a Vampire battling Moebius and Mortanius's armies. They can even make a game set after the genocide of the Razielim ordered by Kain, and one or a few managed to escape. Whatever they do. They should definitely pick up what was left off at the end of Defiance. The ending was such a cliff hanger they should make a sequel to that game. And whoever they pick to voice Kain or Raziel, either hire Simon Templeman and Michael Bell or tell the new voice actors to sound like Simon Templeman and Michael Bell. I don't want some voice actor putting their own take on the character. Simon Templeman's voice is the voice of Kain, you cannot think of anyone else's. The same thing goes for Michael Bell. Now some of the other voice actors have passed away such as Tony Jay and Paul Lukathor, and René Auberjonois. May they rest in peace. So they are going to have to find the right cast to fill in such big shoes.

[@GamerX51]

A reboot? No thanks. But a remake that remains faithful to the original source material wherever possible? I'd be down for that. Too many people have gotten the mistaken idea in their heads that all remakes are bad no matter what. But what they fail to understand is that Video Game franchises aren't like T.V. or movie franchises, whose main technological medium hasn't changed much in over sixty years. Video games franchises MUST adapt to changing computer technology in order to remain relevant to modern audiences. The simple, unfortunate fact of the matter is that the original Legacy of Kain game, while a masterpiece of storytelling, has aged incredibly poorly in terms of graphics and presentation. If the game isn't updated to appeal to the expectations of younger gamers, then it's going to fade into irrelevance. That's the plain truth. Top-down games like the original LOK are a niche market in the modern gaming industry; 3D action platformers or RPGs are what most gamers expect to see nowadays. And the fact that this is exactly the direction that Crystal Dynamics went with Soul reaver and it's sequels only confirms the truth of everything that I've said.

[@PerfectHandProductions]

A franchise reboot would likely be a travesty. The fan in me wants new Legacy of Kain titles but the realist in me knows we should be happy with what we have.

[@matthewlucent7645]

Deadhaus Sonata is going to probably, maybe come out someday. It will probably suck, but it is a thing that exists.

[@tengr0057]

I agree whole-heartedly. I'm long time Lok -fan and this game series was the reason I wanted to learn english back in the day. I saw the trailer of SR1 on ps1 demo-disk when I was 6 years old. Every line in these games are so well-written and voice-acted. Nothing can ever top this for me.

[@SamwiseTheNotSoBrave]

With the release of the Soul Reaver remasters and the re-release of the Blood Omen games, the only thing I want for sure if a remaster of Defiance (preferably with a user-controlled camera, but I know that'd take a lot of work). After that, if it were up to me, I'd go through with The Dark Prophecy in the same style as the Defiance remaster, wrapping up the original story as best as it can (Kain continuing to encounter the Hylden, going to the Demon Realm, finally stopping the Elder God, etc.). As for the Elden Ring/Fromsoft comparison, I took it as being more of a tonal or aesthetic comparison, as I 100% agree that both the gameplay and narrative style of Fromsoft's library is completely antithetical to that of Legacy of Kain and would be an instance of giving the audience the exact opposite of what they want.

[@TravisMBarr]

Whatever you say, Manosphere......

[@zerocrutch]

We just need one more game with Kain, now healed from corruption to take down the Elder god and restore the pillars. That is all we need at this point.

[@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506]

Maybe not even restore the pillars. The whole point of the pillars was to seal the hylden in the demon realm, the pillars were basically "stitches" in reality to seal the rift used to banish the hylden there. I don't believe it's a coincidence that the elder gods physical form appears to spawn from the base of the pillars, I suspect he's an entity from the demon realm who's been seeping through ever since the rift was opened to banish the hylden there. If kain deals with the hylden threat and the elder god, the pillars will no longer be needed to keep Nosgoth stable.

[@tengr0057]

Sounds boring. Like Kratos against Zeus -tentacles. What will the story be?

[@Drprophetius]

What they should do is not an AAA reboot game, what they should do is an AA direct sequel. Most important thing is the story, and I have no idea how they are gonna get the old writers back. If they don't, they should leave it.

[@JuanDiaz-jo1rw]

I really hope there is no reboot. The game is way too perfect to mess it up now with reboots. Stick to the remasters and then keep adding sequels and prequels. I prefer to see deleted content in the remasters and improvements. Maybe DLC extension to what's already available.

[@thewhistler6537]

1:25 Ummm.... actually....XBX didn't get Blood Omen 1&2 and I would really like that.

[@tommapar]

Please not another reboot. I'm sick and tired of this AAA industry fucking up everything we loved as kids because they want to put idiot film school drop out californians to make their own twists. Specially not with how many loose threads Defiance left. As a fan that plays these games every year or two, I'm actually writing a script/summary/gameplay outline for a sequel to Defiance called Legacy of Kain: Redemption. And in it, a somewhat savvier Kain with his Soul Reaver complete with Raziel's soul in tow has to decide the fate of Nosgoth again. The Hylden are coming- War is nigh. Humans and their numbers might be the key to win the upcoming war. Kain refused the sacrifice. This time, he won't have a choice. Whether he chooses to side pragmatically or violently with humans, is up to him. If he listens to his conciousness (maybe with Raziel's voice now? Got to bring Michael Bell in on the fun. But it makes sense given the impact that Raziel's sacrifice had on his own psyche, and since it taught Kain that sometimes sacrifice is required to see and be able to overcome the true enemy) he will follow the philosohpy of Janos Audron, and establish more of a symbiotic relationship with humans. His death after the removal of the Heart of Darkness implies new human guardians to the pillars are born. But the pillars are very much crumbling as we see in the end of Defiance.. There may be a way to restore them and it may involve time travel, but he can choose whether to pass the dark gift on to the would be guardians or not. Even if he does take control of them, there may not be any way to stop them from succumbing to Hylden corruption... Unless he ventures into the Hylden's decrepit realm, and ends the influence of their own Elder God. To do this he either convinces or kills the Hylden world's alternate version of himself and Raziel. (I've resorted to calling them Abel and Azrael for now). Azrael is the vampire champion in this world, so the Hylden's Champion who held the fate of his world in the balance will be Abel, introduced to us as the Sarafan Lord (a callback to Blood Omen 2's timeline, which is what I imagine the Hylden world to sort of look like. Heavily industrialized. Very dark, ripe with crime, smoke stacks, black tar rivers, the whole nine yards). Having freed themselves from the influence of the Elder God, the wheel of fate no longer turns, and souls become unable to be reborn, but with the caveat that now people in Nosgoth actually have free will. That works in tandem with the theme that now Kain can choose his approach, whether bloodsheed is justified or unjust, whether he actually spares lives and goes on hungry or he chooses to satiate the thirst.. whether the dark gift is passed on willingly or not, etc. I have more written down, but to me as a fan, this sounds more or less like what it SHOULD be.

[@ΠάνοςΒασιλειάδης-ω7φ]

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[@MrSuperKoon]

He wasn’t referring to the using similar gameplay, he was referring to the rich world of dark souls and Elden ring.

[@MrSuperKoon]

Additionally, DEI is a factor for sure why gaming is “dying,” but I feel like a larger factor is that companies over hired during COVID and are now laying them off now that games aren’t selling like they were in 2020.

[@pigvometify]

Demon souls style art, world. Then more of a devil may cry battle system. That would be pretty badass honestly.

[@Eckylis]

I do not agree with Dark Souls at all. If anything, it'd be great to renovate the entire game aspect of Legacy of Kain, which, beyond Blood Omen 1, has been a significant weak point for the series. The music, the dialogue, the overarching story?: A++ Art Concepts?: A++ (disregard the 1999's-2003 graphics, different era of gaming) The gameplay?: C- to D, at best. Very clunky mechanics, 1990s puzzle gaming and semi-platforming elements ... it's just not a very fun concept for 2024. I'd love to see a sort of return to the Blood Omen semi-isometric gameplay style, with modern camera zooms and whatnot being part of it. This might not be as interactive as an FPS or behind-the-character 3D camera style (Soul Reaver 1 - Defiance gameplay), but IMO isometric has its charm.

[@thewaifudefiler]

When people say a new legacy of King game would play like dark souls. They don't mean 1 to 1 more like the world layout and branching paths With boss enemies to slay, which it would have to be

[@k-yo]

I would like some of the gameplay elements too. The idea of re-exploring areas with respawned enemies (something SR1 already did and I completely forgot about it, so it got me drawing parallels with souls games instantly while playing the remaster), challenging combat (but not overly-punishing), LARGE BOSSES (but keeping puzzle mechanics please), and astonishingly beautiful and creative scenarios like they did on Elden Ring. Damn... just imagine exploring Nosgoth like in the Lands Between.

[@Z8pwu142]

I don’t think he meant the gameplay of Elden ring but more the vibe and the world building.

[@Z8pwu142]

And yes, it’s a bs reason that it’s costly to make a game. Games sell more copies than ever. He said that to make it vague if there will be another game. Games are not successful because they don’t get finished. Decision makers are only seeing their own profit, which means games are not a passion project. They get released unfinished and executives get paid for implementing DEI to emotionalize us. We need to kick out overpaid execs and we need people back in power who love making games.

[@andreabriganti5113]

This saga has already it's own vibe and world building and it's perfect for the kind of tale being narrated, no need to ruin it by copying anything from other franchises.

[@k-yo]

Gameplay-wise, Elden Ring is WAY more fun than LOK's. Although a bit clunky, I think it can be somewhat adapted to work for LOK (like what they did to God of War). I'd love to see that coming to fruition

[@andreabriganti5113]

@k-yo No thanks. LOK doesn't need to be another soul game. No disrespect intended but, having all games that play the same, become boring. You'll just take part of it's own identity, if you change the gameplay so drastically.

[@takerweapon1]

I would so love remakes of Blood Omens I, II, and Defiance. Imagine them drawing some inspiration from Devil May Cry, The Witcher III, Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, and Castlevania Lords of Shadows II gameplay for these games.

[@Calypso694]

leave out AC and im in.

[@jackfwoodward]

In an age where reboots/remakes add/remove elements that change the game entirely and still get criticised against the original? Literally, just remaster Defiance and the Blood Omen games, create Dark Prophecy, DONE.

[@Johnny_Fox_Show]

Just give us more Soul Reaver 1 gameplay. The 3D MetroidVania thing without the block puzzles this time.

[@theRobson0908]

and in terms of "dark souls" gameplay just go for the reverse idea that your character has the goal to feel like a op dark souls boss feels

[@Mopki3]

"Okay... that's a good reason, but what if I said it doesn't make sense anyways?" 5:00

[@Calypso694]

lol yes but still, why would they invite a big VA for a remaster documentary just because hes a fan? *grabs white board and red yarn*

[@Chelemi89]

I love these games, im like, come on, im ready for a new one😊

[@EijiShinjo48]

Vae Victis 🔥

[@ferfighter]

With today’s technology, they can make Blood Omen 1 look like Diablo 4

[@unapologeticart45]

Think the only way I'd take a reboot is if they exclusively hired fans that loved the series to work on it.

[@bill5974]

Dark Souls style gameplay would probably mean that I wouldn't buy it. Now, a Dark siders 2 style game I would absolutely lap up.

[@Calypso694]

@@bill5974 oh that’s for reminding me I was gonna say darksiders Also. Great games.

[@RDGameplays]

Very high quality video, rich in information and well organized ideas. You deserve more subscribers!

[@Calypso694]

considering i just pissed off half the fandom with 2 of my vids thanks 🤣

[@theRobson0908]

didnt amy henning also said something in the line of that she regretted not finishing LoK? maybe after the forspoken flop she has changed directions idk.

[@amyeasler2086]

I think after defiance maybe the blood omen time line shofted a bit so maybe a new blood omen one 3d remake with time line changes and elder kain working in background, matbe call it blood omen revamped

[@Hynotama]

If it gets rebooted, it’s not Legacy of Kain, period. If it gets rebooted, it will stop existing for me. Reboots almost never work. But if they do reboot it, I hope we’re getting a Defiance re-release. I’m not foolish enough to expect Blood Omen remakes. Also yes, dark souls would be a horrible idea for a LoK game. Legacy of Kain isn’t for Souls fans. The neckbeards can play something else if they think LoK is too easy for them.

[@donovanfaust3227]

The irony of you calling others "neckbeards" with a comment like this lmfao

[@Hynotama]

@ go play your precious dark souls and stop getting offended over others not liking your favourite sadistic game.

[@VindensSaga]

@@donovanfaust3227 lol. He replied back to you without your name tagged so you wouldn't get the notification.

[@VindensSaga]

@@Hynotama He called you out and you cry about it, well done.

[@Hynotama]

@@VindensSaga I replied to him using the automatic function. Not my fault KZbin is garbage. And he didn’t call anything out. He got butt hurt that someone doesn’t praise his favourite shit game.

[@Itsyesfahad]

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 3? to finally finish this saga?

[@bigbadwolf5033]

I'm a fan of the Dark Souls style games, but I still agree with you on that bit. Whether you like D.S. or not, that's an entirely different style of gameplay than the LoK series. It wouldn't mesh well. In LoK, we're basically playing as monsters with supernatural abilities to be an absolute menace to our enemies. In the D.S. style games, you're basically playing a weakling that does what you can to just barely survive. Sure, your character might be considered a badass by the end, but you still feel like the underdog the whole time, and that's the whole point. You're supposed to feel like the underdog, so you get that satisfaction of being the underdog that pulls through in the end. In LoK, you're not the underdog. You are something to be feared.

[@thej5497]

The best way for the series to move forward would be to release Blood Omen 2 and Legacy of Kain Defiance in the same style as the remastered Soul Reaver Titles, then give us a Blood Omen Reborn with all new gameplay but overall the same story even through in the original as a bonus. But at the end of Reborn reveal that it is actually the new timeline created at the end of Defiance. Then no matter what the new versions gameplay style ends up being everyone will have all the games available and the path forward won't spit on what came before while also allowing new stories in the universe.

[@jasonrichardson1222]

Remake Blood Omen 1 and 2 in the new style and then tell the entire story of Razel and his brothers and their evolutions after the fall of Razel then finally remake Soul Reaver 1 and 2 and LoK Defiance then work us into Dead Sun. The fans would buy these up faster than anything. Just take my money!!!

[@jasonrichardson1222]

I want the entire story please!!!

[@GaryMcAnim]

Hmm, this video seems like you're trying to stir something. Ben Starr is in the documentary as a fan, he's expressed love for the series in multiple interviews - it's hardly unreasonable to feature him on the doc especially since he's very popular right now. You're ranting about development costs but your opinions are not really valuable here. And then the cherry on top is the bs at 16:17 which just isn't true. AAA is stagnating because game development has become formulaic and no dev wants to take risks anymore because new IP is dangerous and untested game mechanics can be a massive waste of development time. These are not concerns that any indie dev has to worry about so they can make any game that they want.

[@Cypunk]

7:26 I would love a Blood Omen remake based on these concepts, with some elements of The Witcher it would be a cool game.

[@jovzpal426]

It's possibly a remake of Blood Omen 1 like the 3rd person remakes of Resident Evil 1, 2, 3 and 4 or the Silent Hill 2 remake. Possibly depending on the financial success of Soul Reaver 1 & 2 remaster. Since that top-down pixelated game of Blood Omen 1 won't cut it for a remaster cause it is like a SNES/Gameboy Advance game. With the games that released, they can reference and get ideas for that Blood Omen 1 remake in 3rd person. I think the atmosphere/environment is what they are talking about when they mentioned FromSoftware gamres like Elden Ring. The gameplay of the LoK is hack-n-slash so games like dmc, darksiders 1 & 2, god of war 1, 2 & 3, shadow of mordor/war and lords of shadow 1, these are are closest game to the gameplay of LoK Defiance, even the old game that also got a remaster some years ago called Onimusha: Warlords has better flowing combat and soul-sucking than Soul Reaver 1 & 2, like if you played the game and reach later levels you would say wait this is a better Soul Reaver 1 & 2 combat-wise. They would benefit a lot if they have the parry/riposte system of FromSoftware games that are fast like Sekiro or another quick game like Nioh 2 or Wo Long Fallen Dynasty. Also make the sneak/assassinate attack better. Hopefully they will incorporate traversing on top of buildings and scaling walls like you see in LoK Defiance and better yet copy the parkour system of climbing of Infamous 2, Shadow of mordor/war, Fortnite Zero Builds (parkour to climb walls and buildings is crazy good now in that game) & Batman Arkham games. Kain can legit turn into bats or mist or super jump and such like you see in the parkour of playstation 5 spider-man 2.

[@TheRunicDruid]

So me personally was a little disapointed that we got a remaster instead of a remake of the Soul Reaver but i can also see it as the studio checking the water to see if people are interested. Now before i rattle on for too long let me explain my point of view here Remaster = tweek the graffics (which we often see on emulators) + some minor works on mechanics (good example Resident Evil 1) Remake = overhaul the game but keep the story, gameplay and the core of the game as close to the original as possible (good example Resident evil 2 and Dead Space) Reboot (

[@RoballTV]

A better format for a Legacy of Kain universe would be the Batman Arkham games. Good Narrative, good environmental traversal, good stealth but also good power trip.

[@NeizdAviir]

LoK has one of the greatest story to tell the player and coupled with music, but gameplay wise, it got old. Recently finished the whole remaster, and I have lots of nostalgia with the game, but halfway through the first game, the combat became tedious. There was no reason to fight those 2-3 mobs, I just rushed past them through the rest of the game, the puzzles were easy since game mechanics were also limited at that time. If they keep the story + music but improve the gameplay mechanic, be it reboot, remake or a sequel, they can't go wrong with it. It's not going to be same game in case of reboot / remake but its been too many years, the original release and the remaster won't go anywhere, so if they want to play around with the series and make something new, let them. The coin has two sides, one side is them making it terrible, which is no loss, the other side is they make a new masterpiece. Either way, doesn't matter. Some will love it some will hate it. Either way, something happening with this IP is better than years of nothing again.

[@elveone]

Good catch with the concept art and getting Denis to comment on it! It is art that could have come straight up from the 2016 and even from Deadhaus Sonata though and a reboot of the series is most definitely in the works. It might be a soft-reboot with a sequel though like they did with Outcast 2. I personally do not agree that LoK should be a soulslike but then again there are many different interpretations of what a soulslike is nowadays with the checkpoint based progression with respawning enemies when you die being the only common thing in the broadest term. I don't mind a Dark Souls combat in itself though. In many ways the combat of Blood Omen 2 is similar to that of Dark Souls mechanically. I think the problem with that combat is how it is balanced and how those games rely on cheap tricks to kill you whether in or outside of combat. I've always though that Darksiders is the closest to Legacy of Kain we've gotten in the last... well, since Defiance really. That is not really saying much cause Darksiders is getting quite old as well and the last game in that series is already 5 years old. There are other games that do have a similar feature-set when it comes to gameplay though and they are quite popular. Jedi Fallen Order and its sequel for example - both are the same type of game that Legacy of Kain games are. And both are kind of soulslikes with very Dark Soulsy combat but the difficulty options in those games actually demonstrate that you can be really overpowered and feel awesome with that kind of combat if you just balance it differently. I do prefer a DMC style of combat though - I like the faster pace of those games as well but would also like to see a bit more complexity than some of the games that supposedly have similar combat style actually have.

[@giuseppesantoro3620]

I agree almost on everything you'said, this game needs tò follow the darksiders series style of games. Dinamic combat with free camera and Zelda/Metroid style of progression in a semi-open world

[@Foxeyflex]

A blend of 1 & 2 (i think 2 bit off more than it could chew with weapons, stats, etc.)... they certainly get a lot of bang for their buck with environments/space usage

[@TriksterJazon]

Not a fan of Souls games as well, but imagine a modern game with playable Raziel and Kain. The Raziel parts could work with Souls mechanics, Raziel wouldn't die just shift into spectral realm. While the Kain parts would play differently - dispatching enemies and bosses way easier and quicker than Raziel.

[@trueSconox]

14:57 Did you ever play BO2?

[@Tottokamm]

Use the "Fallout" Franchise to reboot the essentials of "Legacy of Kain" The "Elder God" is the boss of "Vault Tec", there is another "Stadislaus Braun". The "big war" between "Hylden" and "winged", or between the USA and China, is unimportant, only the Elder God is "erternally present, here and everywhere, now and always". The "vampires" are the "Ghoul", only 1000 years later. In SR1, the "Ghoul" are not only the over 104 year olds, but the more than 1000 year olds.

[@Trillville43]

I want a young kain game it would be a great way to modernized the series/franchise and introduce it to gamers now. It shouldn't be a dark souls game.

[@Juggalo42240]

Honestly they do need to make a reboot for the newer consoles. Kind of a pain in the ass to find a working copy of the disc, unless you're willing to spend some money or just happen to by chance come up on it luckily.. it would be nice to see it revamped no pun intended. I would have preferred blood Omen and blood Omen 2 over the soul reavers first.

[@MardiBaldi]

As someone who has played a ton of Legacy of Kain and Elden Ring, I have to say that a blood omen souls like style gameplay would be Fn AWESOME!! 🤞

[@tonyyolo4774]

I agree with you, a souls game is a very bad option especially because of the level system, soul reaver being for me the most important and well-known and loved is a metroidvania and that is what they should aim for in a next game or in a remake, combat is not even close to the most important thing, the best bosses are puzzles

[@xavierblack1528]

Brother, you just said God of war gameplay for a legacy of Kane remake and I made a mess everywhere. I would be so thrilled if that happened beyond thrilled I remember getting off of school rushing to my PlayStation just to play that game to get mad and do it all over again.

[@Coreisus]

It doesn't make sense that Ben Starr would even be there for the interview! I mean, why would he be at the development studio for any reason at all? He just so happened to be there and they're like "oh perfect let's do an interview!"? Or did they fly him out just for the interview? Neither option makes any sense! He was there recording lines that day and they did an interview during a break from recording.

[@turnbasedtoddy7664]

Ben would make such a good Raziel. I hope they do a sequel and not a remake though. Also, I think the reason Ben was in this is he once said he wanted to voice Raziel in a game, so it’s not just random.

[@Garrie29]

I wish they made Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun I know some people didn't like it but I think it looked so interesting and fun It was called Legacy of Kain still so it must have been connected to the original games in some way I just hope the next game is a soft reboot thats still canon to the original games instead of a full reboot And I wish they made Legacy of Kain: The Dark Prophecy it would have been so cool they were going to have 2 playable characters like Defiance but instead of it being Rasial and Kain it was Old Kain and Young Kain from the new timeline

[@vivimusjenos8174]

Id love it if they re-released nosgoth. The devs were pretty shady and somewhat lazy claiming they closed the servers due to lack of player base but i can tell ya as a beta player tjat there was a lobby glitch where a lobby would become bugged making it so that it wont fill to the last player and the game needed 2 full teams to start. Easily fixed if everyone abandoned the lobby but there would always be one person that wouldnt leave causing everyone to get dragged back into the bugged lobby rather than creating a new one. Other than than the game was just so much fun. Hail clan Dumahim!

[@kevinmerrill4003]

As a huge fromsoft fan I agree that a soulslike version would ruin it. It would have to be some sort of disconnected story in the same universe somehow but it would flop and destroy the game.

[@alanbilton2547]

I'd love to see a blood omen remake in an oblivion type open world, with all the old voice acting kept, like they did with the medieval remake

[@TheGhostFLA]

There was a canceled legacy of kain game called Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun. It actually looked really cool! There are videos of gameplay on KZbin.

[@Citizen_JV]

If they do this, I hope they do it right, properly.

[@jeremyp5210]

No remake. You cannot replicate the storytelling or even do it justice. Just give us a conclusion game to Defiance. Then start a new trilogy. Also get and most importantly... get Amy Hennig involved.

[@GnaReffotsirk]

What do you mean? LoK was the father of souls games, with adventure and puzzle elements. They could mix in batman combat for crowds, Id be fot it.

[@arx3516]

Will we finally get Dark Prophecy?

[@jonathanyates7883]

We definitely need a reboot of blood omen 1 and 2, keep the original vibe and story the same (with a few changes here and there) then make the combat a balance of fast paced like dmc and a slowish tactical like souls games

[@jyesucevitz]

I was thrilled this was done. one of my favorite series from past consoles. the only other series I'd like to see a remake of is the King's Field series.

[@craigwright8216]

They need to keep the same voice actors while they are still alive.

[@Sercil00]

I bought the remasters because I wanted to reward a faithful revision of the originals. I also wanted to signal that the interest in this AMAZING series is alive and well. But please. We don't need a remake of every franchise under the sun. LoK needs a sequel. A proper conclusion. I know, I know. It was tried more than once, and those projects went nowhere, but I'm just not interested in rehashing EVERY DAMN FRANCHISE I ever played. Especially since most remakes are worse than the originals. Move forward, not backward.

[@SystemCrasher113]

Henry Cavill as young human/vampire Kain in live action movie!.....? 😂

[@Calypso694]

nah hes everywhere and too handsome imo need someone kind of average or not traditionally good looking if that makes sense? no idea who

[@DanAltieri]

@@Calypso694 I'd like to nominate Daeg Faerch as a young Kain. He was the kid Michael Myers in Rob Zombies Halloween and he now looks like he'd play a vampire role quite well at 29 yrs old. I think he'd also make a great "Johnny" from the Texas Chainsaw video game (if you're familiar with that)

[@KhydroDjent]

Hope Michael is able to come back but the guy already retired, man has his health to consider. He's my all time favourite actor but I hope he doesn't feel the pressure to come back to something he's not 100% (Pure speculation, he could be like, yeah mf les go)

[@TheGuerreroinca]

I never played any souls like games, and most likely never will. Besides the titles both having the word "soul" in it I see almost no defining connection that could back the idea of a new LoK game playing like a souls game. Yes there's the gothic element where they share some connection. But looking at the world of Nosgoth, which is so much richer than that, this would be a very narrow minded view for designing new LoK games. I want the world if Nosgoth to feel organic and alive, like the time when Raziel arrived in Nosgoths past in SR2. That way it will feel all the more devastating when that world is torn down by Kains decision. As for gameplay I definitely agree with the GoW aspect being the way to go! I love the over the shoulder perspective and I think story and character driven games just work better and feel more immersed the closer you are with the character. Same goes with the gameplay mechanics. As far as I know, in Souls games, you play a no name character that you've build yourself. Which means you put a more fitting idea of yourself into the fictional world you're about to discover. With Kain and Raziel (with every famous game character to be concrete) you take on the mantle of an already defined established character in that world and see it all through the lens of that character. As such, this immersion comes with a certain set of expectations. Like, I'm a vampire, so I should be stronger than some random foot soldier type of enemy character. I should be able turn into bats, have telekinesis, drink blood and all that. I should be able to feel as powerful, as depressed, as angry or as happy like how the character feels. I simply never saw this for myself in the souls genre but games like GoW definitely check all those boxes which is why I think this is the route to go for a potential reboot, remake or whatever. And if they going for a reboot, I think it'd be a smart move to actually start in Nosgoths past and play through all the events that we've only seen on cryptic wall paintings in the SR games and defiance. It would be something new for established fans to get to know and it could be a soft entry into the franchise for newcomers to see the bigger story unfold step by step.

[@Batman_83]

I think first we're getting Defiance remaster then we'll get the long awaited sequel to Defiance.

[@sikliztailbunch]

You do not understand Fromsoft games. So much is for sure. In the late game you eat through the world OP af, With the right build you can basically one hit every boss. What do you want? Kill the boss with HALF a hit. I don´t see one hitting a boss NOT being rediculously OP. Perfect for a vampire

[@ominae1]

Would be the worst error in gaming history. But I complete disagree, a new game like Elden Ring in Nosgoth would be EPIC.

[@Evil4Eyes]

These guys at CD are stupid because Amy Hennig is still alive and she has the script for the final chapter. Hire her for the story. Put BO 3 in pre production. Remake Blood Omen 1 style of V rising. Hell get them to make it with Aspyr. Then do Blood omen 2 and then boom announce blood omen 3 for 2027/2030. Money money money chaching

[@mvrk4044]

this makes entirely too much sense to not at least have some truth to it. I think you're misreading the Souls comment though, I would much rather well-equipped, high-level Souls type gameplay than any kind of DMC inspired action. DMC is too over the top for a grounded gothic-horror type game and the Souls series shrugs off all of your complaints once you're an adept player and it settles right in the sweet spot for this series. The only hard part is starting the player at that power level and not make them slog through the early RPG mechanics of the Souls experience

[@DarkShadow-pe6ud]

They could just remaster the other games and finish Dark Prophecy which was very far in development, a package including Blood Omen 1 & 2 and a package including Defience and Dark Prophecy would be anything a fan wants and easy money for them.