Real Lawyer Reacts to A Few Good Men (with Real JAG!)

[@LegalEagle]

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[@ericduggan5798]

Runaway Jury

[@BloodyMary74]

Please team up to do an episode of JAG

[@happyninja42]

Hey could you do an episode on Minority Report? Or at least address the legal issues regarding the precognition aspect, that is central to that plot? I always found it weird that at the end of that film, they let EVERYONE go, when it seemed to me, that the precog warnings could at LEAST be viewed as an anonymous tip that the police responded to? And given the one example we see in the film (the introduction arrest), has the cops visibly witnessing the suspect about to stab someone, couldn't they at least be held for Attempt Assault/Murder? I just thought it was weird to just wipe the entire slate clean, when it seems we have precedent in our legal system for imprisoning people for stuff they tried to do, but failed. But Minority Report seems to just ignore that entirely. Always wanted a lawyer's take on that.

[@vanessac1721]

Boston Legal! Denny Crane!

[@timdunn6489]

A Civil Action with John Travolta

[@StrongMed]

As a physician, I'm going to point out that the claim, "a chemical reaction called lactic acidosis caused his lung to begin bleeding", is also nonsense. Pulmonary hemorrhage might cause lactic acidosis by causing severe hypoxemia (low oxygen levels in the blood), but the reverse cause-and-effect relationship is not a thing. It's a seemingly tiny detail that has always irritated me about this movie.

[@anthonynorton666]

I have a lung disease, and hypoxia is always talked about. This is the first time I've heard of hypoxemia, yet that's actually what we're checking with a pulse oximeter from my new understanding of the distinction. After reading what you wrote, I looked it up the term to find the difference and one source said the terms are often used interchangeably in literature (I assume they did not mean technical.).

[@cykeok3525]

I'm a complete layperson who doesn't know anything, and I see the cause and effect, where if lungs are bleeding somewhere inside, that means that blood isn't getting to some of the places it needs to go. Those places that aren't getting blood aren't getting oxygen. When those places don't get oxygen, lactic acid forms and builds up because that's what cells do when they don't get enough oxygen (like muscles during a workout needing more oxygen than they can get, they form lactic acid right?). But the other way around (like in the movie) doesn't make sense, because body parts not getting enough oxygen does NOT cause it to suddenly start bleeding. Otherwise every time I go for a run or go to lift, my muscles would start bleeding inside (ouch). Which, fortunately, isn't a thing at all. Did I get anything right? :x

[@rieyuki]

@@cykeok3525 You’re absolutely correct. Otherwise, gyms would be a public health hazard, because anytime some guy benchpresses to failure, they start bleeding out as if they have Ebola. 😂 Hollywood gets away with these inaccuracies because medicine is complex, and the general public isn’t going to understand these terms and concepts. Unfortunately this is how medical inaccuracies persist. Kinda like that scene in Pulp Fiction where the guy is holding this syringe needle over his head ready to plunge it into Uma Thurman’s heart. No, that is not how one administers epinephrine or any IV medication. 😂. Giving that med the real way would have made for a boring, anticlimactic scene: “Ok I’ve started an IV on her arm.” “Here goes… Three! Two! On-“ “Hey why are you counting down like that? It’s just an IV push, dude.” “Oh, right.” Drug then enters bloodstream without fanfare. “Uhh weren’t we supposed to start chest compressions beforehand?” Uma Thurman’s character then dies due to medical mismanagement. “Oh shit. Somebody go find some hydrofluoric acid.” (It’s also a myth from Breaking Bad that hydrofluoric acid can completely dissolve a human body, yet perpetuated again in Umbrella Academy season 3.)

[@all4joffrey92]

@@anthonynorton666 --- HI sir! By training, I'm a registered nurse. The suffix, emia, refers to a substance in the blood. Hyperglycemia, for example, is an excess amount of sugar (glucose) in the blood. Back to your situation. Hypoxia, refers to low oxygen (o2) in the tissues. As you know, we measure that by using a pulse oximeter. However, hypoxemia refer to low amount of o2 in the blood. In order to determine the amount of o2 in the blood. Yep, that requires the dreaded arterial stick. I hope that helps.

[@brayidur]

Thank you! Someone else caught that! I thought I was the only person who heard that and went No no no no no that isn't how that works.

[@mattert14]

I'm liking these collaborations with lawyers from different fields

[@jsbzoh6]

Agreed! I think it’s a great job to get different perspective and specialized opinions. I particularly like Spencer who seems to have a great sense of humor and they have great chemistry.

[@mackenziemoore5088]

I wanna see him bring on a public defender 😂

[@maxerd]

Two heads are better than one. The bouncing back and forth is fascinating. Bruce Rivers next!

[@MultiRanman]

Spenser has a sarcasm and comic timing that is unimpeachable. It’s great. I also agree that collabos are great. “A Few Good Men” is a perfect movie to discuss. “God’s awful little children”. Hilarious.

[@dabearsfan9]

@@MultiRanman I never even knew unimpeachable was a word thanks for teaching me something new

[@kenhenderson1762]

Aaron Sorkin was a struggling playwright in New York. His sister was serving as a Navy JAG attorney in Washington. One night in a phone call, she described an interesting case where a young Marine at Guantanamo Bay was accused of assault against another Marine and the legal question was if the accused was ordered to do this and, if so, did the accused Marine have the obligation to refuse this illegal order. Sorkin found this fascinating and turned it into a "courtroom drama". He embellished a LOT for dramatic purposes, but it worked, the play got produced, was a hit and was made into a hit movie.

[@spvillano]

Well, real proceedings would bore an audience senseless, military or civilian. The interesting part would be, was the order unlawful in a way universally understood by service members of that rank and experience level? Was the command environment conducive to allowing such violations of the law?

[@casemcdonald2152]

It was also a curiosity that she was assigned a murder case having no experience. She basically proceeded the same as the movie, for the same reason. Why would the case be given to a junior JAG officer?

[@jsnrvst]

@@casemcdonald2152 Ken said "assault", not murder.

[@mrwittyone]

@@spvillano So in others words, an audience couldn't handle the truth?

[@Fresh_Biscuits]

@@spvillano well not necessarily. High profile cases like Johnny Depps or the trump hearings have millions of watchers. Sure they are high profile examples but ud be surprised. I watch random cases all the time.

[@MagiconIce]

"Just call them marines, God's Awful Little Children" I laughed so hard on that self-description xD

[@davecrupel2817]

Same 😂😂😂

[@aaronvanzile3824]

'how would you describe someone in the navy' (don't use any slurs don't use any slurs don't use any slurs)..... Sailor

[@gehtdianschasau8372]

@@aaronvanzile3824 They don't use sail ships, so the proper word is seamen.

[@ChondroMan]

​@@gehtdianschasau8372it's a joke.

[@Agent1W]

Not even that, because seamen are a species of sentient amphibious humans. There's a game about on the Sega Dreamcast.

[@NightDocs]

Just make this dude a permanent cohost this is such a great dynamic

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

Devin is like the funny man goofball while Spencer plays the straight man perfectly

[@templarw20]

@@SuperNuclearUnicorn And like the best straight men, he's got a wonderful dry wit.

[@thomassmart4088]

legalbros

[@wendyhatt2886]

Yes, please! Make him permanent. Love you two together.

[@mrfclarke]

Only works with military stuff.

[@juliameindl5721]

Fun fact: my school runs a mock trial program and we just had a case where ex police officer turned mall cop Lieutenant Toni Jessep tased a patron of the mall “in self defense” and the mall was being sued for negligence in hiring Jessep. Anyways, in Jessep’s affidavit, there is a paragraph that is a parody of the “you can’t handle the truth” speech with lines such as “you want me at that mall.” And “you NEED me at that mall” To prep for the case, we were shown this scene and everyone playing Jessep was told to take notes.

[@blakeharris58]

🤣🤣🤣

[@CarlWithACamera]

Love the parody... Son we live in a world that has malls And those malls have to be guarded by men with tasers Who's gonna do it? YOU? YOU, food court table cleanup guy? I have a greater responsibility than you can possible fathom. You weep for mall patrons and you curse the mall cops. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That patron's tasing, while tragic, probably saved lives, or at least the loss of that package of hotdogs he had stuffed under his shirt. My existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves merchandise. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in stock rooms, you WANT me in that mall, you NEED me in that mall...

[@juliameindl5721]

@@CarlWithACamera lollll. You’re a lot closer to the actual wording than you think 😂

[@CarlWithACamera]

@@juliameindl5721 😂

[@DustinBarlow8P]

That student gets bonus points for strictly entertainment value. "You walk around carelessly enjoying the security of that mall and than complain about the manner in which that security is provided! You have that luxury because of men like me!"

[@fayethhanna7193]

I went into my law internship knowing no one would ever act that way in court…until they did. A DA ended up yelling at a witness because she was defending her credibility and rightfully so. Everyone was appalled. It ended up making the trial longer than it needed to be

[@Shade01982]

I think the better way to say it is 'nobody is supposed to do it'...

[@ericwilliams626]

A lot of people are drama queens, even in law. A lot of people like to hear themselves speak, you know, narcissists.

[@om3ga109]

It does always make me laugh when people go "tHaT wOuLd NeVeR hApPeN eVeR eVer!" It's not supposed to happen, but you'd think these people don't know how human beings can be

[@SEAZNDragon]

I saw two lawyers on the same defense team getting into an argument in front of a judge once. It was an off docket(?) hearing for one of the lawyers to leave the defense team. I wonder why?🙄

[@charlesreid9337]

and you didnt file a complaint with the bar? If not well... youre part of the problem.. as is the judge

[@Otaku155]

The scene where Pvt. Pyle is held down and beaten in Full Metal Jacket is probably the best example of what this movie refers to as 'code red' ever shown in film. In the Marine Corps at that time, this was referred to as a 'Blanket Party' and, believe it or not, is documented to have occurred at USMCRD Paris Island on several occasions. There has even been a case of a United States Army Veteran being diagnosed with PTSD in 2015 for a 'blanket party' he received during basic training in the late 1970s.

[@xanmontes8715]

Jesus...

[@BonsaiBurner]

It seems intense until you understand the mental context then it is more of a kind act actually. These are life and death situations they are headed into and people can just not be suited for that but still be in your group that will cause those around them to die rapidly.

[@gregorturner9421]

in the australian navy it was called contact councilling, but was banned as bullying in the 90's. which just made the Petty Officers all the more creative in their punishments. like shaving on parade minus shaving cream and water. when one of my fellow trainees turned up to parade without shaving. ouch.

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

Sounds traumatizing to me

[@lazysylph3312]

A former marine friend shared this with me: How do you know if someone is a marine? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

[@terrafirma5327]

That is... probably more accurate than I ever knew.

[@craigplatel813]

Spent 28 years in. Never tell anyone I was a Marine unless I note a connection i.e. tattoo, tee shirt, cap etc...

[@craigplatel813]

To things I always hated about this movie is that the XO counter intell officer has to go on the run and disappears like he is some kind of secret squirrel. That is not what counter intell officers are like at all. Also absolutely no Airmen at Andrews will remove a page from the tower logs showing aircraft take off and landing. In fact they would laugh at you.

[@NukeMarine]

Some may even make it a part of their username.

[@Peeps86]

The same thing applies for a person from Texas.

[@neuropilot7310]

For the record: The movie was based on actual events. Aaron Sorkin's sister Deborah was one of the 4 real-life Navy JAGs who defended the Marines at Gitmo accused of assaulting a fellow Marine. Capt. David Iglesias was another JAG lawyer, more known as an improperly fired US Attorney. When they put the Colonel on the stand, he eventually said "Something like that" to the question of if he ordered the Marines to discipline their own (eg Code Red). It was way less dramatic than in the movie.

[@TheFrugalVideoGamer]

Of course, it *was* still admitting on the stand, under oath, that you gave them that order to start with.

[@KumaoftheForest]

Fun fact, the guy involved in that real life trial disappeared and was never seen again. I’m serious

[@Rawhideceastwood]

@@KumaoftheForest He must be at Gitmo

[@hotdrippyglass]

@@Rawhideceastwood More likely he was fish food.

[@brettlovell8761]

@@KumaoftheForest he disappeared, but they found his body a month or two later. Never found his killer. Name was David Cox.

[@ThePirateburke86]

Watching him internally scream when Devin called Marines “soldiers” was fantastic

[@BluegrassFilmsKY]

Devin's getting a "code red"

[@PopstAhri]

The second time it happens there is a visible pupil dilation. He's like, "Devon. I'm going to slap you at some point. You won't know why. It may seem like for a different reason. But this is the real reason."

[@dkleener]

I always equate this mistake like someone going to a hospital and grouping all the doctors, nurses, technicians, etc. by calling them medics.

[@alyrios]

I saw that!!!! 😁

[@joelsmith5938]

@@dkleener That's actually a really good "civilian" analogy. Gonna try that out next time I have to explain this.

[@fadingnocturne9375]

His "YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID" at 10:10 killed me

[@Nebechadnezzar]

It was like a canon blast!

[@patg148]

Devin had so much fun with that

[@davecrupel2817]

​@@Nebechadnezzar Bro let his dormant inner grunt out for a moment. 😂

[@danielmcgillis270]

I served with the marines, he wasn't acting.

[@seancstew]

The "16 hours of Silent Drill" Line nearly had me fall out of my chair.

[@gateway1600]

Not a real Marine Drill team but former Texas A&M cadets... good but not great...

[@Astrosisphere]

On the 17th hour they march into drill garage for a refuel and lubrication. Anyone who's racked up enough hours becomes a Major Problem and is tasked with dealing with General Maintenance in said garage. The Silent Drill has therefore been seen as a good way for dealing with General Maintenance. In spite of this, General Maintenance continues...

[@seanhoward5162]

The funny thing is, because the marines in DC primary duties are ceremonial, they actually do a shit ton of silent drills, and one of the spots they do practice at IS in front of the JAG headquarters at the Washington Navy Yard. So while he was mocking this, it's actually accurate.

[@Nerdbookworm]

The sudden “you’re GOD DAMN RIGHT I DID” then immediate laughter was great

[@scottwpilgrim]

I was half paying attention and I was like, "what's so bad about Mountain Dew: Code Red?"

[@Nerdbookworm]

@@scottwpilgrim I WAS TOO

[@mrbiggin747]

You asked what Tom's skills were as a lawyer if he couldn't do research or witness prep. They established early in the film that he was known for plea bargains, and that after so many years in the Jag office he had never seen the inside of a courtroom. His whole arc was that of a guy that always took the easy way, and progressed to working his ass off to win the case.

[@barbar8425]

He was in the JAG for only like 9 months in the movie. They say it at the beginning

[@NorthStarPNW]

Right. In fact, he even realized mid-way that the reason he was assigned to THIS case was because his bosses EXPECTED him to plea-bargain it.

[@simonw560]

The second part is he might be buttering up his coworker to get help. He didn't say he was bad, just that his coworker was better.

[@marcoantoniosalazarmatamor9496]

Pulling off satisfying plea bargains is not an easy feat, at all, especially if/when you have some really driven opposing forces (seriously, Dawson and Downey are the first guys to go “hell, no, I’ll take my chances in court” Kaffee ever met?). The guy Kaffee meets when establishing that he’s good at pleas really wants to throw the book at Kaffee’s client for alleged drug possession (it was really oregano) and only lets go because he doesn’t wants to spend five months of his life fighting every little hassle Kaffee tosses at him. Imagine if it had been one that decides to go “bring it on”. You are nevertheless correct in that this is Kaffee’s character arc.

[@PyroGam3s]

He didn't win the case though, if I remember correctly they were still stripped of their ranks and dishonorably discharged from the military. Which is probably the second worst outcome they could have possibly been given. Or maybe i'm thinking of a different movie... i've seen this scene plenty or times but never saw the movie.

[@jamesdyer1983]

“What do you call someone in the Navy?” As a Sailor I completely expected the Marine to take a jab at us LOL.

[@peach7210]

Right? I thought at the very least he was going to say "a squid".

[@admdubya2107]

Men of the Sea! 😂

[@TotalKatastrophy]

As a child of two Coast Guard officers I was thoroughly shocked that a full on punch wasn’t thrown 😂

[@CurtisWhitehead-wn5bs]

Squid is the standard. But Corpsman get the distinction of Doc.

[@theiran]

Someone asked me that a while back and his answer was quite different and more offensive. His answer was "Swallows." 😱

[@PavilionParty]

You just incited an actual spit take out of me with the animation of Tom Cruise holding up a bottle of Mt. Dew, yelling at whoever ordered the Code Red.

[@Matstr25]

Same here

[@turnoffthetv]

I SHRIEKED. That was glorious

[@markrichards9646]

That was inspired! Great work!

[@brianleslie7388]

A hearty snort from me.

[@bernlin2000]

Strong start lol

[@ellicel]

I really like Devin for not tackling this movie without an expert. I think he’s bright enough to have researched it and told us all this from his perspective but I think it shows his respect for the importance of getting information from real, primary, expert sources. Not Reddit or FB. I wish more people at least the slightest hesitation when using the influence their celebrity gives them to share their opinion as if it were fact.

[@joshuamitchell5530]

To be fair he has tackled it in one of his early videos.

[@NicoR24601]

I seriously doubt he would research anything on Reddit or FB though.

[@LeRoiEnJaune]

I love History, but it's absolutely rife with people failing to adopt the perspective you've outlined here. Because the subject matter is easy to phrase and describe, or at least much easier than the Natural Sciences, Law and Mathematics; folk make the mistake that brushing up on a subject is enough to present it, rather than consulting with someone who's performed considerable first-hand research of primary sources. Devil's always in the details.

[@GM8101PHX]

I was assigned to the 92d Security Police Squadron for just under 5 years, and to my memory only one courts martial convened during my time there, usually it starts with a letter of counseling, next would be a talk with the squadron commander and he would be doing the talking as you stand at attention in front of his desk, the third would be an Article 15 in which the commander can demote you and take some of your pay as well as order you to serve extra duty. If that all fails then you would be court martialed!! The sitting squadron commander would not be the judge or on the jury panel because he must mete out the punishment that the court would order!! One of the airmen of my flight was given an Article 15 for disobeying a lawful order from me as his supervisor, I was ordered to see the commander along with those supervising myself and the flight present so we could briefs the Colonel on the specifics. He took care of the rest and demoted the airman first class down to airman for his disobedience!! We also had an airman tear up our dayroom in the barracks, I arrested him and put him in the jail in the basement of our barracks by order of the first sergeant, then called the colonel for verbal permission to search the airman's room. We found pot, and M16 rounds that he claimed he lost in the weapons storage area, along with martial arts stars with drywall dust on them. We were careful to process the evidence and for the chain of custody videotaping the search!! I am incorrect before the article 15 and after a letter of counseling x 3 then it is a letter of reprimand, then the article 15!! Depending on the offense it could go right to the courts martial as it did for an airman that was breaking into homes and raping the wives of pilots while they were flying their missions!!

[@Gingerprince521]

It's a good movie but for me the best scene, that I'll watch over and over again isn't the "you can't handle the truth" part but the bit before where Caffey manoeuvres the Colonel into a contradictory trap. "If you gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why would Santiago be in danger? Why would it be necessary to transfer him off the base?" I love that bit.

[@Nr4747]

@@Phyrre56 True, but it's not so much the contradiction itself, it's the play on the ego of Jessup. He would have had to admit that he doesn't actually run a tight ship in a court room full of high ranking officers.

[@bobapjok4241]

That is great, but for me it was always when he takes the rules book and asks him to point to the section that talks about the mess hall to show up the other lawyer

[@jpgcomposer]

@@Phyrre56 That always reminds me of The Caine Mutiny with the strawberries thing.

[@last7509]

Awesome movie. But I guess it's complete bs. 😊

[@2Sor2Fig]

One of my aunt's is my only personal experience with someone who is a lawyer. My favorite thing about her is actually how nice she is as just a human-being to talk to and hang out with. Watching you two go back and forth gave me the same good vibes. Much love from Zimbabwe.

[@lonnywilcox445]

A little snippet from the movie's opening scene when the Marine Corps Band is playing you will see a trombonist, Gunnery Sgt Dale Fredericks march past the camera. He was killed in a carjacking on June 11, 1993 7 months after the film was released. I did not see the movie until significantly later and instantly recognized him. He worked for me in a part time civilian job and was a good friend who is still missed.

[@donhartfield]

Oh wow, sorry to hear. He will be missed by those who knew and loved him.

[@wolfboy20]

R.I.P.

[@larryking9951]

Rest in Peace Sgt. Fredericks. I hope to see you on the other side. Thank you for your service......

[@yellowstone024]

A very sad way for a Marine to die

[@CraigGood]

Nicholson shot that scene all day long, even doing his end of the conversation when he wasn't on camera. (Not all big actors are that generous.) Rob Reiner was blown away with all the energy Nicholson was putting into it and asked, "Jack, how do you do it?" "Bob, I'm an actor. I like to act."

[@josephschultz3301]

The dude's a legend for a good reason :D

[@Madmanmarque]

I was a propmaker on that film and was there for that scene. Pretty great to watch him do it over and over with the same intensity and dynamic!

[@thewhitewolf58]

Know what you mean some big actors or more of has bins coasting off the lastest movie and just cashing in a paycheck while doing a favor to a friend

[@neverlistentome]

The best Jack Nicholson quote ever comes from a story Jay Mohr tells about being out with Jack. A woman comes up to Jack and ask "Mr. Nicholson, would you like to dance? To which he replied "wrong verb"

[@CraigGood]

@@neverlistentome I heard that same story at Skywalker as, "Wrong verb, sweetheart. Wrong verb." I believe the woman was a journalist.

[@dustinschaffner7870]

During the table-read for Jack's scenes in rehearsal, apparently he walked in to the room in full military regalia and never broke character once. The other actors were also stunned by the fact that he delivered all his lines without the script in front of him, at the TABLE-READ! Jack is the real deal!

[@WTFisTingispingis]

Dude is a different breed.

[@akfreed6949]

They don't give Oscars to monkeys .

[@jasonh.8754]

For a few $million I'm sure I could put on a costume and shout some words. EDIT: Sorry, no offence to Mr Nicholson. Of course there was a movie to make too.

[@None-zc5vg]

@@jasonh.8754 For a few million dollars, I'd lie in bed all day.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

Haha I miss actors like that. Tom Cruise has chops but is still always just himself, except in this movie apparently based a lot of his performance on David miscavige hahaha, that manic aggressive dick energy inspired directly from his favorite cult leader

[@Pseudowolf]

Fun fact: While this video shows a brief clip of the Villanova University drill team, the people portraying the marines in the opening were actually the Texas A&M University Fish Drill Team. Since the Marines did not authorize any participation in the film (due to the portrayal of the Corps) the filmmakers could not use an actual Marine drill team and instead asked the Fish Drill Team to perform. Technically, these were former Fish Drill Team members ("fish" is A&M slang for freshmen) and not that year's actual drill team.

[@mammajamma4397]

I was wondering if the military were involved in this. They usually are, and they provide a lot of information and equipment to film and TV shows in that case. The made up Internal Affairs and the made up Code Red probably came from the filmmakers not getting permission from the Navy and Marines to use much of any actual details that aren't already widely known.

[@MentalAtheist]

The scene when he holds up the (Code Red Mtn Dew) and screams "DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED" made me lose it.

[@DodonaWind]

Same! I almost want to make it a gif and share it with a friend of mine who is obsessed with the drink.

[@IfImCommentingStopMe]

I literally couldn't breathe. It caught me so off guard

[@markrichards9646]

I was watching a “making of” This movie and the person being interviewed said that they did a few takes of the, “You can’t handle the truth!” and following speech, and Jack Nicholson is so good that he delivered that speech the exact same way every time. He’s always been my favorite actor.

[@hubbsllc]

Right - per Kevin Pollak (IIRC) Nicholson kept nailing the entire thing, every movement, every word. Director Rob Reiner walked up and said, "Jack, look, we're just getting angles here; you don't have to go all out" and Nicholson replied "Rob - Rob - you gotta understand, I love to act!"

[@theshadowherself]

Everything Spencer says is loaded with the most deadpan, dry sarcasm, and I'm living for it.

[@josephsherby]

Seriously! It took me a minute to clock that he was being sarcastic.

[@theshadowherself]

@@josephsherby You can see the internal eyeroll Spencer says every time Legal Eagle calls Marines "soldiers".

[@paulzuk1468]

I think Gitmo being a sleepy posting back then was pretty much the point, along with Jessup being entirely too invested in The Mission (TM) and essentially creating a cult built around himself ; It probably took root on the base *because* it was a sleepy posting in a post-cold war world where the marines were starting to feel useless. Santiago wasn't a problem because he was incompetent, he was a problem because he didn't share the cult's values and didn't *want* to share them. Ask anyone who's ever tried to leave Scientology how that usually goes.

[@JnEricsonx]

That was my view. Gitmo wasnt the gates of Mordor. Take it seriously, but it ain't 1963, or 1973 or 1983.

[@josefk7437]

It seemed like all the characters were made to represent different types of bad leaders. Colonel Jackoff represented the Narcissistic bad leader, taking offense at anyone who fails to adequately worship him, and sleepy Gitmo helped make that point. Lieutenant Coffee represents the bad leader who got his job through inheritance, just wants to pick up his paycheck, and would be told he is "Quiet Quitting" if the movie was made more recently. Lieutenant Kendrick seems to represent the bad leader who is still mentally in his middle school bully days and is on a power trip. Demi Moore's character would strenuously object to the idea that she represents the incompetent leader who was kicked upstairs, according to the Dilbert Principle, into a position where she can tell more competent people to do the work.

[@stevekaczynski3793]

I was fascinated by a minor detail of the film - when they start preparing the case, Kaffee asks for half a dozen boxes of black pens and half a dozen of red pens. It seemed to me a lot more stationery than they were going to need. But early in the film Kaffee forgets to bring a pen and his commander pushes one across the table to him - perhaps wanting a glut of writing utensils is meant to show his increasing professionalism.

[@MrMariobrocca]

I agree, or it was just a sign that he never had to write anything before because his main occupation seemed to be playing softball ...

[@nsahandler]

A pen is part of your issued gear and you are required to have one on you at all times unless limited by operational requirements. In bootcamp they literally hang the pen on your dogtags so you always have it. That's not a joke. It's in the Blue Jacket's Manual (Navy's Core Instructing materials).

[@thegoodgeneral]

Great catch!

[@jamesspears7242]

Or, that he loses a lot of pens.

[@AndrewCheshire]

Mitch Hedberg: "I bought a $7 pen. Because I always lose pens, and I got sick of not caring."

[@patrickm2191]

Holy crap I'd watch this show religiously if that cat was a full-timer. The dynamic between you two is a riot.

[@andrewhogan6533]

Agreed

[@robertw31968]

I agree also.

[@michaeljacyna1973]

His... "You're goddam right I did!" Made me snort-laugh

[@martinjames6431]

Deffo. The bits about the fence are hilarious

[@alexspindler1]

Find any reason to have him as a guest. He's awesome and your rapport is great.

[@stevenjoyner4387]

As a former military lawyer I will state that if you shout in court the judge will shut you up. There are a lot of differences between UCMJ and civilian law. The Marines are part of the Navy. The JAG is spot on. Conduct Unbecoming only applies to officers and the standards are extremely low.

[@iandhr1]

Quick question. Any idea why the prosecuting attorneys were Marines and the defense attorneys were Navy? Or is that kind of assignment done on a case-by-case basis?.

[@stevenjoyner4387]

@@iandhr1 With UCMJ prosecutions/defense, the branches are immaterial. The prosecutors choose the defense councils. I was the youngest officer in the division, newly assigned. That's why I was picked. I won the case before realizing that I was supposed to lose it. The judge was appointed with very little notice for his first time on the bench. The defendant was extremely lucky. I referred to Marines as jarheads among other things. The more you know the less impressive it becomes.

[@DisDatK9]

It cracks me up thinking about the guys I served with getting charged with Conduct Unbecoming. We were super laid back on the decorum so I've had plenty of dumbass drunk adventures with my NCO and OIC. It would probably make a marine have an aneurysm when we were training and used short rank/nicknames to address each other. Crazy how different the military experience can be depending on branch and rate

[@nokindred]

Your comment about Article 134 is incorrect, at least in regards to the USMC. The USMC will absolutely hit you with a violation of Article 134 (Conduct Unbecoming aka General Article.) Any time you do something that they don't like and feel like charging you for, they will use Article 134 to charge with you Conduct Unbecoming a Marine.

[@stevenjoyner4387]

@@nokindred you are absolutly right on correct. Artical 134 is the caveat for punishing people who haven committed any violations. There is no justice in the UCMJ. You hit the nail on the head brother.

[@benhibbard4519]

The Mt Dew clip in the very beginning literally has me in tears. 😂

[@naejin]

well done by the editor

[@RobRoss]

I was in the Marine Corps from 85-93 and I never heard of a “code red” until this movie. We called them “blanket parties”, but in the context of “blanket parties are not allowed 🚫”. There were plenty of better, more effective ways of improving unsat Marines without using physical violence.

[@marhawkman303]

yeah, in my time in the service... no one ever called it "Code Red". I wonder if the term was ever used in the Marine Corps.

[@Insipid42]

Yeah, in the army it was called "blanket parties". But if you were a playwright or a script writer you'd never go with that as it doesn't sound bad ass or threatening.

[@maybeyourbaby6486]

@@Insipid42 Yeah as a civillian it sounds horrifying and I get that talking about blanket parties in a military trial would surely be taken very seriously, but seeing Jack Nicholson scream passionately about throwing blanket parties would just feel utterly ridiculous to me 😅 I think the filmmakers made a good decision. Clearly military personnel would interpret the term a very different way, so keeping the accurate terms would be arguably straight up misleading. I guess it's just a translation, in a way?

[@karenorgan6203]

Ah yes, Extras (basically an extra shift) was popular in operation Harmony roto 2. I know one fella was up 24 doing two extras in a row.

[@karenorgan6203]

@@Insipid42 depends if they’ve recently seen Full Metal Jacket (thinking the scene with pillow cases, bars of soap and holding down the corners of a blanket to restrain)

[@borisglevrk]

Heard on some discord server or something from a former German Heer (army) soldier. He said during his training his unit was asked to take a piece of paper and write "I am an idiot". In his squad, only one wrote instead "The Sergeant is an idiot". The entire squad was ordered to follow this rebellion's order for the rest of the day, because only he knew that he should object an illegal order. That's part of the training. (and when another guy asked why that's illegal, the former soldier explained that the order was in direct violation of German Basic Law's provision of "respecting every individual's human right and dignity" and stuff. So that order "wasn't only illegal, it's actually unconstitutional".)

[@KutWrite]

Imagine Germany's military having more respect for human rights than the US's.

[@Jertude1981]

@@KutWrite I think it's more due to their military history perspective, considering how often "I was just following orders" was a defense at Nuremburg. The intention is to teach the troops if they get ordered to due something highly inhumane like say, go round up people into slave labor camps, the troops should understand they are obligated to say "No".

[@KutWrite]

@@Jertude1981 Right. Meanwhile the US ignores the Nuremberg principles, e.g. in the untested "vaccine" pushed onto the public, now including infants.

[@kazemizu]

Sounds like a consequence from WW2

[@bluecollar58]

Well aren’t they sweet.

[@ColinFox]

Jack NIcholson in A Few Good Men is like Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. Few minutes of screen time, but owning every minte of it.

[@Gigrunt887]

Exactly

[@andyghkfilm2287]

(Exasperated marine) “Objection, your honor, he’s beating us in this trial and we wish he wouldn’t be.”

[@McCullough324]

Note the ever-so-subtle eye twitch when Devin truncates the term “Marine” with “soldier.” The only thing that rivals this in terms of heinousness is referring to someone as a “former Marine” or “ex-Marine.” Also, if “conduct unbecoming a Marine” was a thing, the Marine Corps Ball would no longer exist.

[@puckerings]

"Also, if “conduct unbecoming a Marine” was a thing, the Marine Corps Ball would no longer exist." Nothing says "military culture is toxic" like the truth of this statement.

[@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia]

@@puckerings To think that when I was young, I had a huge respect for all military people because for some reason I thought they respected a code with high moral values. Ah, so young and so naive, I almost miss that blissful ignorance...

[@AggressiveLemur]

I dunno I think they would avoid discontinuing the Marine Corps Ball, just because the jokes about Marines no longer having Balls would be too much.

[@markrichards9646]

I think the term you were looking for was conflate instead of truncate.

[@bubba200874426]

Did you say heinousness or hilariousness. Because it's genuinely hilarious to me the cult indoctrination is that strong.

[@KenJohnsonMusic]

They all looked good in their uniforms. Often that is a detail lost on many filmmakers, but Kevin Bacon looked phenomenal. That back and forth you two did with the "Have you ever ordered a 'Code Red?" was funny as Hell.

[@GoofysHatBand]

Nicholson may have only had to work 10 days on that movie but he was lean and carried himself like a Marine officer. He definitely put in some prep work.

[@Ramboost007]

If that's true, then it's even more impressive when you consider that they had no support from the United States Armed Forces (the Marines in the silent drill at the beginning are played by ROTC, not enlisted men)

[@yuki-sakurakawa]

And Kiefer Sutherland. Shaved his head just for the show. Guess his spiky mullet didn't go with the uniform too well

[@BelgorathTheSorcerer]

My dad is a retired Master Sergeant, and I cannot count the times he really started giving someone the business for calling him a soldier instead of a marine. You got off really easy there, Legal Eagle. That made me laugh.

[@kyuubinaruto17]

This comment reminded me of something I once heard a long time ago, that ARMY stands for "Aren't Ready for Marines Yet."

[@runninrebel1520]

Sergeant

[@Freekymoho]

Seems silly to me. You fight and die at the behest of a nation: youre a soldier

[@jaycievictory8461]

David Eddings fan???

[@frankeinstein7990]

@@Freekymoho A wet soldier...

[@hunter99225]

I have no idea why, but 0:24 made me laugh harder than almost anything in years. A few good men is one of my favorite movies and Tom Cruise holding mountain dew and red face yelling just got me dead. Thank you for that.

[@naejin]

yeah, great job by the editor

[@iraherson1820]

Actually, in Australia lawyers can shout at witnesses. This is usually when a barrister has no case. This shakes up a defendant and hopefully gives the barrister something to work with. Judges know this tactic. So when a lawyer does this everyone is aware it is a desperate tactic.

[@andyroo9381]

Interesting.

[@predetor911]

Damn, I live in Australia and I didn't know that. Here's hoping I don't ever end up in a court room.

[@JohnnyTightLips13]

Also if found guilty punishment can include a giant boot to the arse.

[@lepotato135]

Why is everything scarier in Australia? 😭

[@iraherson1820]

@Le Potato It is so much safer to live in Australia. a lot less guns.

[@marcusakiti7608]

Gotta love the little edits, clips, and added pieces to drive home the humor or irony. Clearly these guys love what they do and it makes it so much fun to watch.

[@podx140]

The editing is so sassy and it's really adding a lot to the video, fully agreed.

[@zack31191]

The buddy dynamic chemistry with Spencer is fantastic. I had more fun watching this than I did watching the movie itself!

[@matthews2122]

I joined the Marine Corps in 1996 and at that point in time hazing was still very big and I guarantee you situation’s similar to what is in the movie did occur. Also, if you want a good idea of what Boot Camp was like in Paris, Island South Carolina in 1996-97 go ahead and watch full metal jacket boot camp scenes. There were a lot of things that were just like that, Sans rifle murder/suicide.

[@Brian-yt8fu]

One of my co workers was a Marine one girl in her company got roughed up.

[@CaptRich-bi3gp]

I don't even personally consider myself Old Corps. But when I went through MCRD San Diego in 1981 things were a little different than they are now. I was sent flying across the Quarter Deck more than once in boot camp initiated by a Drill Instructor. I can fly... Ouch!

[@MauraWattam-dl4uu]

@MauraWattam-dl4uu 0 seconds ago I served in 93. The Marines were tougher and everything you stated is correct even for the women. Women Marines were treated harder because we were taught everyday “male Marines” will not support us and need to be tough as nails. Funny, when I entered the fleet I was tough as nails but my counterparts treated me well and only a few were disrespectful and disgraced the Marine uniform when we worked side by side with one another. Semper Fi!

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

As a civilian I cant really wrap my head around the benefit of hazing in any armed forces setting. Who does it serve? It seems like a recipe for destructive chaos if rules and proper chain of command and conduct are not being strictly adhered to. But what do I know. As far as Hollywood depictions I’m partial to the 1986 movie ALIENS and those were obviously fictional interstellar marines, and some of them were pretty dumb and reckless.

[@matthews2122]

@@EastSide-qc5oy Hazing was mostly done to bring people back in line who aren’t following the rules and/or who aren’t putting the rest of the unit first. It can also help weed out people who are not fit for service. If you can’t instantly and instinctively follow orders and put the Marine Corps and your unit first, you will get people killed and/or die yourself and quite possibly ruin whatever operation you are part of. Most people are not truly ready or do not really understand that. The corps uses 90 days to break down who you are and turn you into a Marine. People learn in different ways, repetition is one of the main methods they use. In that short of time you can only teach/retrain someone so much. It is actually amazing how much they teach you in so short of time and how long it stays with you. I still remember how to treat a sucking chest wound, 25 years later, even though I’ve never done it, As well as so many other things. It is an Extremely intense experience, it needs to be in order to work effectively in such a short time. I don’t know what they do now, but I do know hazing was a very effective tool when I was in boot camp. It wasn’t the main/only thing that they did, but it was what they used when other things didn’t work. It made recruits; focus, work faster and harder, be more concerned about doing things right, be concerned about how/what your fellow recruits are doing, or it made them quit and give up. It rarely made people quit, but it quite often brought them back in line. Sometimes that would also take repetition though. It was by far not the most of what you experienced in Boot Camp though.

[@aristidesmaldonado9931]

Excellent review! I’m a retired Coast Guard Chief and back in the mid 80’s while stationed on the cutter Dallas we stopped in GTMO frequently. Besides the iguanas there was not much to do. Used to go to the Marine club and had a good time with them. But as always some of my shipmates were idiots when drunk, then decided to get into fights at the club. Of course the marines were happy to oblige and give them a good tune-up 😂. Took care of some of that boredom you talked about!

[@ragglock]

What did you do with the iguanas is an question I need answered, under oath 🤔😉

[@gregoryfoster8179]

Yeah, I spent time In Sigonella, Sicily back in the '70s. We had a few good chair tossing bouts at the EM club with the Sea Bees stationed there. Good practice.

[@daxisperry7644]

As a Marine, I love this episode. All the banter, all the jokes, all the comments on the movie. I'm 5 minutes in and this may be my favorite episode.

[@daxisperry7644]

@@Phyrre56 It really bothers me when civilians do it. I don't get hostile with them because I understand that not everyone knows that. So I'll either politely correct them if I talk to them often or just ignore it if it's someone I don't know and we're just having a nice, one-off conversation. Generally other service members don't do it.

[@flyingGrandpa]

Semper Fi, brother!

[@glazierblue573]

I have a question. Is it normal in the Marines for a gang of them to beat one up while tie down as a training? Hazing!

[@daxisperry7644]

@@glazierblue573 Not nowadays. I'm sure it happens, but you can get in DEEP shit for it. I saw a lot of guys get reduced in rank because they made some guy to push ups and run until he puked. Beatings never really happened where I was at, while I was in (2012-2016). It was totally normal in combat training before like 2010. Someone I know who was in during the height of the Afghan war said he and his bootcamp platoon had a blanket party for someone. But I really didn't see thT sort of thing when I was in. They cracked down HARD on beating and even hazing like push ups and stuff by 2010-2012

[@glazierblue573]

@@daxisperry7644 I am relieved to hear that. I was actually wondering if it was even an official thing like in the movie. Maybe it's naive of me and unfair holding Marine to an unrealistic stardards, but I consider Marines to be almost like super heros with that level of training. They shouldnt beat each other up.

[@xjarhea]

As a Marine I found this laugh out loud funny multiple times. This is some of your best work. Well done Sir…

[@WayneWerner]

so, not a soldier then?

[@nsahandler]

"So why is the Navy trying this case?" Marine Lawyer: "It happened on a Navy base so the Navy has jurisdiction." Real Answer: "The Marine Corps is a subset of the Navy and there's no way any Marine would ever bring that fact up, even if directly relevant."

[@phoenix21studios]

Didn’t ask

[@Cabledeluz1977]

Marines=Crayon Eaters

[@123Mathzak]

@@phoenix21studios Nobody asked you, either. Yet here you are.

[@psmith867]

Your dynamic in this video is fantastic. Well done sirs, well done.

[@frankied.roosevelt6232]

I'm not even a law or military-interested person and I wanted this to be longer. I was cracking up every single second pretty much. Lol I just about lost it when JAG sir mouthed Kendrick's (marine taxi service cab driver) words since they look so similar. 🤣

[@spvillano]

Could you picture what they'd do to every episode of Matlock? Perry Mason? Hell, they'd have Raymond Burr climb from the grave, just to commit suicide.

[@frankied.roosevelt6232]

@@spvillano do you know if he has his own channel? Devin didn't link anything for him

[@FourthDerivative]

Spencer: Spends entire video ripping apart how completely unrealistic everything in this movie is Also Spencer: "Eh, A- for realism"

[@essentialatom]

Yeah, that's a ridiculous rating given the rest of this video. If the film got a lot of little details right, as he says, I would have liked to have known what they are.

[@alanhersch4617]

@@essentialatom Yeah I bet a lot got lost in the editing. Unfortunately.

[@robertt9342]

@@alanhersch4617 … or… and hear me out… most other things in the film are reasonably close. The list would be longer of the details they got right.

[@alanhersch4617]

@@robertt9342 that is exactly what we are implying. In fact if they didn't cut out the positive and just didn't talk about it I. The first place, that is almost worst. Cause getting a good mix of both is important

[@robertt9342]

@@alanhersch4617 . Maybe…but how long did you want this video to be? Also, there are plenty of examples where they say it’s good.

[@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.]

10:13 Well, he shouts like a Marine officer, so I guess that's confirmed.

[@nathanielschwartz425]

9:40 While I can’t speak for the military specifically, I DO know that in the medical field there is actually a color code for emergencies that occur in the hospital, and in the hospital setting a code red means that there is a fire in the building. Other emergency codes include code blue (respiratory emergency or someone has stopped breathing), code silver (someone has a weapon in the hospital), and code white (someone is behaving violently).

[@tomsmith5584]

The codes vary by hospital. I once was walking into the emergency department at my local hospital when I heard a "code violet" over the radio system. About five seconds later, I was almost knocked down by a security officer running to the incident. A nurse later told me that the code was used for a violent patient. I also heard some hospitals use code orange to indicate a weather emergency such as a tornado and code black to indicate a mass casualty event.

[@nathanielschwartz425]

@@tomsmith5584 Oh interesting. Yeah, I was mainly going off of what I remember seeing at my local hospital.

[@DJosAmmel]

Trial lawyers: "You're not supposed to object to *everything*." Appellate lawyers: 😑

[@KumaoftheForest]

Amber Heard’s lawyer: Hearsay

[@KenMikaze]

@@KumaoftheForest Johnny Depp's lawyer: "Absolutely Not!"

[@KenMikaze]

@@bubbamaster3116 Objection! Speculative!

[@ardynamberglow3124]

*Looks at Amber Heard VS. Johnny Depp.*

[@dvdv7777]

@@KumaoftheForest A megapint of hearsay!

[@robnsusan2000]

“We don’t have a lot of expectations for conduct of lance corporals and privates” actually, you expect a level of debauchery, hence the Good Conduct Medal 😂

[@kevinphillips150]

(S)NCOs get the GCM as well.

[@JamesSmithTheArmoredOne]

He's right though, we were always up to no good. Every Friday ended with a short speech about what not to do, and where not to be. Which we promptly did anyway.

[@TartarSauceBeans]

@@kevinphillips150 they also get the most DUIs

[@terihammond5932]

When I was in the Air Force I dated a marine from LeJeune, went to visit a few times. Holy wow, that was a wild place💕 Had to go everywhere with a small security contingent, evidently females were scarce around those parts, lol. Never seen anything quite like it, unless throwing chum to sharks counts. lol Never had a bad experience, and still friends with some of them all these years later. Craziest bunch of guys I've ever known, and I love them like a fat kid loves cake.

[@JamesSmithTheArmoredOne]

@@TartarSauceBeans Its worse than that. Our BN commander had DUI's as in multiple.

[@karincampbell9289]

The courtroom scene in "To Kill a Mockingbird" was another scene paced with emotion. We all knew Tom Robinson was innocent, and knew there was no way he would receive a fair trial, but watching Atticus Finch as the defense attorney, was heartwarming, and he went out on a huge limb taking this case, knowing it might put his family at risk. I love courtroom scenes, no matter if it is factual. My cousin Vinny, is also at the top of my list! M

[@jbaker6811]

To Kill a Mockingbird, yeah another overated American "Classic". Those are air quotes BTW.

[@infonut]

@@jbaker6811 what makes YOU the expert Jim Baker? (And only an airHEAD emphasized the need for quotes. Air or otherwise).

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@jbaker6811 What? You don’t think so?

[@DPBGMODELRAILROAD]

Atticus Finch was assigned the case by the Judge so he had no choice but to accept the case!

[@karincampbell9289]

@@jbaker6811 over rated? What is your idea of not over rated? Great movie, great book. Showed true colors of getting a fair trial vs guilty before proven innocent.

[@vhelma21945]

You guys chemistry ⚛️ are on point !I really enjoyed all your commentary

[@Vacuon]

You know he's legit military when everytime he talks about service there is a nice "not-so-sublte" layer of salt on every word haha

[@joelcastro-reyes1667]

All service members just become the salt over time.

[@Stellar-Cowboy]

Timestamp pls?

[@Jartran72]

@@Stellar-Cowboy Start of the video?

[@supercoolguy43]

@@joelcastro-reyes1667 at some point, salty becomes crusty

[@JimboRustles]

I love his dry sarcasm and the fact he doesn't make eye contact with Devon.

[@schoolgirlmellie]

These two are comic gold i love these collabs

[@jasonlong8754]

"Did you order the Code Red?" with Cruise holding a Mt. Dew had me in stitches. I knew the video was only going to get better from there. "Let's get into A Few Good Men.... That didn't sound right."

[@aaronthomas6155]

Those were my favorite parts of the video...

[@lect0n7]

My dad was a Specialist First Class in the U.S. Coast Guard Electronic Support Unit (Seattle) in the 1970s, he was excused on something called a hardship leave (which my two special forces brothers-in-law tell us CAN be revoked at any time now that my father’s 69 years-old) he tells me that one of his duties was scuba diving off of a coast guard vessel, with an MK-I M16 (a weapon *KNOWN* to not work while it WASN’T submerged in salt water) and scuba dive to a ship where it was his job to fix broken things like Radio’s, Radar, different elements of weapon systems… I was breaking his balls one afternoon while we were driving somewhere because I used the term BDU’s & he responded “I don’t even know what the hell that IS” and I said “Battle Dress Uniform there Coast Guardsman” and he responded “That’s Coast Guardian Asshole”

[@antoniog9814]

19:53 Cruise standing around with his hands in his pockets while in uniform in court kills me every time. He may as well have a t-shirt on with, "Danny Kaffee don't follow no rulez!" lol

[@briang.7206]

He's a staff officer..they do seem very informal.

[@KutWrite]

The Marines call pockets "Navy gloves."

[@amandamilobooks]

@@KutWrite 🤣😂

[@elizabethvlahos4091]

@@KutWrite We Sailors called them “Air Force gloves.”

[@dannahhoopervlogs]

Can I just say the moment when you guys acted out the most famous lines of the movie, was the nerdiest most wholesome moment between two grown men! And I loved it! Very reminiscent of two kids quoting their favorite spongebob quote at a sleepover!

[@aandwdabest]

It was downright hilarious. Their Top Gun episode is great too.

[@JoyaLewisTheMusician]

It’s so sweet haha

[@WieldingEminator]

Man, that Marine's face every time the lawyer said "soldier": priceless. He looked like he was going to hit him.

[@SorcererVtuber]

I cringed each time lol but you can't really get too mad at civies. We're just kinda wired to correct people sometimes from the day we get outta boot camp.

[@angelmarauder5647]

I mean, JAG vs grunt is a world of difference.

[@neutrino78x]

@@SorcererVtuber for some reason, to all civilians, any enlisted person in any branch is a soldier! Us Navy guys hate being called soliders too :) I was a sailor goddamnit! Specifically a submariner. Or you might know us as "bubbleheads". :)

[@535phobos]

"A soldier is a member of an armed force." Marines are specialized soldiers. In the words broadest definition. So, its not wrong. That soldiers have their own language and can be pretentious snow flakes is a different matter.

[@JamesSmithTheArmoredOne]

He wanted to. I wanted to.

[@thaisgregorio2734]

This movie gives so much importance for that Guantanamo Bay base that I forgot the movie was set in the early 90s, and not during the cold war

[@thewolfofthestars1847]

You know, as someone born in '99, I watched this movie from the perspective of someone who never really experienced the world before 9/11, and so I just sort of took it for granted that Guantánamo Bay was this dark scary place where terrifying people do awful things hidden behind a veneer of government oversight. So of course all this posturing in the movie made sense to me. I never really considered that, when this movie was made, Guantánamo was nothing special--just a sleepy outpost leftover from the Cold War days, before the War on Terror reared its ugly head.

[@dropkickmurphy4114]

That line from Captain Ron (early '90s Kurt Russell film) is so much funnier now!! ("C'mon, Guantanamo! Wake up!") 😄

[@jigafox]

I was born in 81, and I’m telling you, our country was a very different place before 9/11. Same for the world, in general too!

[@LordTelperion]

The original play that the movie is based on was released during the Cold War ('89), so GTMO was more relevant then. Ironically, as you described, the base would be relevant again in a different way 12 years later.

[@tickledeggz]

@@jigafox America is a different place post 9/11 for sure, I'd say the most significant impact it had on Britain was that Irish-Americans suddenly lost interest in funding the terrorists (Provisional IRA) that had been murdering british civilians for 100+ years. As for the rest of the world, I'd say the biggest impact has been America doubling down on its self appointed world police status.

[@ChromeJob]

Gitmo was a sanctum sanctorum. Most people had no idea what it was like, and in fact a lot of people didn't even know it still existed. When I would tell some friends I'd been there, they'd ask "is there really still a base there?"

[@theMitchBau5]

That “you’re goddamn right I did!” At 10:14 was spot on 😂

[@szurmatpl]

I want to know was that planned or not!! XDD

[@reycesarcarino4653]

He became Heisenberg

[@steakman4691]

@@szurmatpl The way he hesitated and changed what he was going to say makes me think Devin didn't tell Spencer beforehand but he just went with it lmao

[@mastod0n1]

@@szurmatpl I don't think it was planned but it was obvious what Devin was trying to do there lol

[@brendanblanks4438]

The editing on this video is impeccable. Hilarious. The grade of A- however, caught me completely by surprise; you guys were dunking on the movie repeatedly for lack of realism. I'd expected a C or even a D, so hearing "A-" made me do a double-take.

[@wierdalien1]

Cos it's a boss a film

[@Eli-uu4vt]

A lot of the dunks are on subject material. I think the 'A-' was on process. A few minor mistakes, but they apparently felt that the movie was fairly realistic in that manner.

[@CoffeeStained]

Me too, the amount of times they said "That's not an objection." would kinda make me think there's some realism missing.

[@seanraines5871]

Grading it on a curve

[@RyanLynch1]

they got soft man

[@midnittkr]

I've seen it 100 times and I still get goosebumps during that scene as I did today when it was first played....one of my Favs

[@8584zender]

Not the most realistic legal portrayal but some of the best dialogue put to paper.

[@PeterSedesse]

Aaron Sorkin never misses

[@JakeKoenig]

A movie or show with a realistic trial would be incredibly boring, and like 10 hours long. There's no way they could adhere to every tedious rule of due process in a courtroom.

[@EastSide-qc5oy]

@@JakeKoenig The 1976 TV Movie “Helter Skelter” about the investigation and trial of Charles Manson and his followers for the 1969 Tate LaBianca murder spree did a good job of using actual court transcripts to tell the condensed story of what went on in the courtroom. Although the movie did have the benefit of telling the story of some shocking and colorful people being put on trial so the risk of it being boring, especially for the times, was pretty low. To your point they did have to slog through 8 months of trial proceedings to get to the interesting parts.

[@189Sasquatch]

100% need for these two to establish a consistent KZbin partnership.

[@DwayndibbVids]

Yes find out who ordered the code Red on Private Pile!!

[@aandwdabest]

Absolutely, their collaboration on the Top Gun video left me howling in laughter.

[@thekingisdead6411]

I had the displeasure of being part of a hazing investigation in the Marine Corps. The primary goal was to be the furtherest away from the highest ranking person in the room. There are people in those investigations who have the power to absolutely wreck careers. Edit: part of the hazing charges included senior Army officials referring to Marines as soldiers. So yes, referring to Marines as soldiers is worse than murder.

[@kossakken]

It's a bit interesting to a foreigner like me, because the Navy can be referred to in two ways where I am (Norway). One is Sjøforsvaret (literally Sea Defense) and the other is Marinen (The Navy). So a marine is marinesoldat, meaning marine soldier. Often confused by media with Marinejeger (Marine jaeger/ranger or in your version, SEAL.

[@yuki-sakurakawa]

In my country, I think it's just maritime self defence force (MSDF), no separate navy vs marines. One team, one fight.

[@JoshSweetvale]

I _hate_ soldier brainwashing. And Marine brainwashing is extra 'prone to bash your face in for not being tribe.' Roided out animals.

[@TunjungUtomo]

@@kossakken In some country, like here in Indonesia, the Marines is part of the Navy. In the US, USMC is its own branch of the military. And yes, here we can all call non-civilian personnel of the armed forces "prajurit" (= soldier)

[@nokindred]

@@TunjungUtomo the Marine Corps is it's own branch, but it receives funding and direction from the Dept of the Navy.

[@gegaoli]

Outstanding analysis and commentary from these two gentlemen.

[@lemili524]

I'm a member of the Air Force JAG Corps - thoroughly enjoyed this video!

[@watchman835]

Have you ever ordered a code red?

[@andyroo9381]

@@watchman835 LOL! Too funny!!!

[@rhoonah5849]

@@watchman835 YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT HE DID!!

[@mwduck]

Very entertaining.

[@realthursty4953]

I was once on a jury for a murder trial. I don't remember the exact words but the lawyers and the judge were constantly saying (in effect): "May I enter the well?" "Yes, you may." The lawyers were pretty much always in the well. This may account for the perception that there is no problem with lawyers entering the well.

[@spvillano]

As I recall, it's typically "Your honor, permission to approach ___", the variable being jury, witness or bench.

[@thewhitewolf58]

Irl atleast on trial they act nice but firm because even if your very smart and confident you will still lose the juriors if you act like a dickwad despite the video of your client killing in self defense.

[@thatguy772]

As a lawyer, I have never been explicitly told to stay out of the well but I still feel uncomfortable every day that I walk in the well just to hand documents to the judge or milling around while the court is adjourned. It's amazing how instinctually wrong it feels to be in that space

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

They asked and got permission. Which seems to be the decent way to move in.

[@spvillano]

@@HappyBeezerStudios that's what I said, then she slapped me. ;)

[@Meg_intheclouds]

OMG I have been waiting for you to do this one! One of my fave films of all time and film first made me go "i want to be a lawyer"- i was 12 and my mum got me to watch it with her. I was hooked, seeing tom cruise in the courtroom trying to break down these witnesses to win the case made me go "I want to do that". Now i'm studying law, and hopefully along the lines qualify as a barrister. The seed was sort of planted before with being good at debating and really enjoyed it and people telling me I should be a lawyer, but a few good men first made me realize it's what i wanted to do!

[@yourheartsdesire6308]

Truly wish you the best of luck, and nothing but success. (Hopefully I'll never need you, lol). It will be good to see another great lawyer on our side!

[@toothlessrick3970]

Remember to stay out of the 'well' 15:10 when you question a witness or LegalEagle will be all over you.

[@dos3622]

Don't forget to yell so people won't sleep through the trial.

[@dancedj2k2]

Good luck to you on completing your dream

[@Meg_intheclouds]

@@dos3622 😂😂 (side note- I wonder if any jury members actually fall asleep…)

[@goheen1701]

RESPECT, Spencer! I went to my Army 'A-School' (MOS) with a class that was half Marines (Ammunition Training, Redstone Arsenal, AL) and for the few short weeks we worked alongside each other I got to see their D&C Training (WOW), and LOVED actually being able to RUN when we did P.T. together. They held amazing BBQ's, too. I've known more than a few Marines in my life & they have never let me down. Got to work with them again during Ammo turn-ins at Bragg (Victory? Freedom?) just after the first Gulf War. Shout out to the Marines at Camp Lejeune!

[@Psyco069]

Unofficially, a Marine Corp code red is slang for hazing. Oxford Dictionaries defines hazing as “the imposition of strenuous, often humiliating, tasks as part of a program of rigorous physical training and initiation.” I served in the Corp back in 1985, there was a blanket party when I was in bootcamp on a fellow recruit for falling behind more than once in PT, that blanket party was 'suggested' by our senior drill instructor, that is the closest thing to a 'code red' I have seen.

[@andyroo9381]

WOW! From the top, down.

[@KevinCODunn]

I instructed at Cape May. I was never a fan of the building theme that the whole company was trashed by instructors for the lack of enthuesum of one recruit. It was not in my company but there was one blanket party in 1976. The kid was bound to the rack with dental floss and bashed by Bars of soap in socks. Around ten recruits were arrested. After that all I heard were rumors of what happened to them.

[@thodan467]

@@KevinCODunn I know that for those acts the commanding general of the german paratroopers (WWII Veteran(IIRC Eastern Front) disbanded a company taking in dishonour their colours.

[@charlayned]

Blanket party. Yep, heard of that one. That's a long-standing "correction" in the military. :)

[@lauriestlyon8773]

Closest I have heard of in the RAF was a "Regimental Bath" for a recruit with serious hygiene issues. In the shower, with liquid soap and stiff brushes. I stress this is something I have heard of but never seen. Did serve in a section where a Cpl took off his rank tabs stepped out into the truck bays with a mouthy idiot who accused him of "hiding behind his rank!" when he was bollocking him for being an idiot! He dropped the guy with one punch (he was a solid foot shorter and 28+ pounds lighter) and when the guy whined about it he was told that if the FSgt had to investigate when he had no witnesses then he would also have to investigate a case of insubordination WITH witnesses. He was posted out asap as he had come to us from the other crew(Edit: For clarity The Cpl was the shorter and lighter one)

[@webstertyrrell9412]

I served from January 1983 until October of 90 and during that time I had never heard of a code red and the term hazing was never used. I have heard about several blanket parties however, which is what happened during the movie "Full Metal J.acket."

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

That's actually the point of the movie. Code Red is essentially seen as a myth, just an urban legend among the military. There's no official records of a Code Red even existing. So, first the lawyer has to find out if a Code Red is even a thing, then he has to prove it. That's why he resorts to grilling the military guy until he snaps with his "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!" It parallels what was actually going on in the military in the 70s/80s. One story that sticks out is the original Seal Team Six, which basically used millions in government funding to 'test' the military men at secure bases, which resulted in the team essentially using millions of dollars and their military credentials to walk into military bases, kidnap the personnel and torture them without warning.

[@webstertyrrell9412]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 I grew up in San Diego and heard about that happening from friends in the Navy

[@thomasparker8449]

I served in a Marine security forces company in 89-90 overseas, Hazing was very common, It was called holding Court. You screwed up you payed for it.

[@MrCooterpooter]

We called them blanket parties.

[@webstertyrrell9412]

@@MrCooterpooter that's what we call them

[@yorktown99]

The crazy thing about this movie is that it was Aaron Sorkin's first hit, originally written as a stage play, and loosely based on stories from his sister, a Navy JAG lawyer who once worked on a hazing case at Guantanamo.

[@eurojenn]

This was AWESOME! You two are really funny together, and presented this video in such a playful, yet informative way!

[@PatrickThomasBrady]

That code red dialogue was spot on, short of being jack nicholson himself, that “you’re god dam right I did” was as good as it gets

[@brandoncruise6398]

On a side note, “As Good As It Gets” is another great Jack Nicholson movie. It’s one of my favorites.

[@Tyfreaky13]

I see what you did there...

[@alexanderlucard4810]

My favorite part is you can see Legal eagle jump back. I probably would too if I heard a marines parade ground shout that close.

[@Stephenmc21]

I felt that direct reference to Camp Horno in my soul. That aside, the thing "internal affairs" was warning him of is reprisal (retaliation). Fear of reprisal is supposed to be something we are protected from in the military, but it undeniably does happen. Far less likely between branches, though the Navy and Marine Corps work directly together regularly.

[@spvillano]

Well, the USMC is a corps of the US Navy and hence, on the rare occasion that you'd receive a paper paycheck, you'd see proudly emblazoned being issued by the US Navy. As for reprisals, I've been with many joint forces on our now ubiquitous joint bases, "Fine by me, we'll kick each other's asses for a while, no matter what, I'll win, as I've rank, time in grade and time in service on God. Jesus can't get promoted before me". And hell, I can chew the crayons with the best of them, despite being Army.

[@Revan058]

Yeah, that made me roll my eyes hard. Deny it all you want, extra-legal retaliation happens all the time. Watching you like a hawk for reasons to demote, demerits, shit postings or worse, the claim that 'isn't a thing' is one of the most smoothbrained, bootlicking takes I've heard in a while.

[@tyl8770]

The closest that you get to "internal affairs" is the Inspector General. I did a number of hazing investigations as an IG, most of the events were from Afghanistan. Some of them were really ugly.

[@seanraines5871]

@@Revan058 yeah. If it happens at my civilian work place which is part of a large corporation I'd say probably in the military too. Only thing I can think of is painting a picture for civilians to see. But he doesn't come across that way. I mean no disrespect

[@tomsmith5584]

I work for the Defense Department in a section that is almost entirely civilian employees. One time, to help with some backlogged work, we brought in some national guard personnel. We were meeting with them in a conference room. When our (acting) department director, who was a commander in the Navy, walked in, the guardsmen immediately jumped to attention and the highest ranking one shouted, "officer on deck!" It caught the rest of us off guard.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Huh, I thought that was only for use at sea?

[@BigBoss-sm9xj]

That’s so cool

[@br2k]

@@SimonBuchanNz there are plenty of serving or post-navy dorks who can't help but refer to every wall as a "bulkhead" and every stairwell as a "ladder." having some ultra-dork shout ATTENTION ON DECK for a civilian/veteran, in a civilian context, etc etc surprises me very little.

[@Edcognito]

@@br2k Did you miss this part: "who was a commander in the Navy..." When your commanding officer walks in, unless he directly orders it *not* to happen, you call "Attention on Deck". National Guard people also might have been told by *their* chain of command to fall on the side of caution to not cause offense.

[@br2k]

@@Edcognito "commander" is just an O5, it doesn't mean they're THE commanding officer, dork. Someone with first class crows as a PFP should know that, maybe quit LARPing military because you'll sound silly to actual veterans and active duty.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Quote of the Day: “Let’s get into ‘A Few Good Men’.” You can’t get more iconic after this line 😂

[@82dorrin]

Phrasing, Legal Eagle. Phrasing...

[@AntoineADubai]

That doesn't sound right...

[@photonicpizza1466]

It is Pride Month, after all.

[@TheKrazysexykool]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LucianDevine]

Absolutely awesome cut, and I'm glad he left it in the video!

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

"Lets get into a few good men." In 1992, that'll get you discharged. This was before even don't ask don't tell.

[@ninjabreadman1993r]

That won't be the only thing getting discharged...

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

@@ninjabreadman1993r Yeah, I saw that coming. (And the next one too)

[@gzer0x]

DADT still got you discharged

[@Cubs-Den-Reactions]

And I oop…

[@CherryBomb_Games]

"God's little, awful children." Not even 5 minutes in and I this is going to be a good one!

[@saikido1]

A soldier is the man or woman who fights for their government and carries the weapons, risking their life in the process. Hate when people try and change the definition of words to boost themselves up. Just admit they’re soldiers ffs.

[@metalrocker627]

@@saikido1 You are so wrong. Soldiers and servicemen and women do not fight for just the government.

[@heidiiiiiiii]

The Mt. Dew Code Red was perfect 😂

[@anjulikamins6420]

As a former JAG member I'm so happy you guys did this movie! And invited a JAG officer to comment as well!

[@joegoss30]

When I was in the Army, I spent my first few years at Fort Lee, VA, which was where the newly commissioned JAG officers go for their initial officer training. I was a 2nd LT at the time and they were all 1st LTs when they arrived. That meant they were senior to me, but had no idea what they were doing (most didn't have ROTC or any prior military service). I was duty officer at the HQ one weekend when they arrived to sign in. It was interesting for me to have to explain what some basic military terms meant, but at least I didn't have to call them "sir" or "ma'am" (LTs generally are treated as one rank for saluting or other honors). Most junior JAGs never really got the hang of the military side of their jobs, though I dealt with a number of good ones.

[@jonathankral6787]

First off, you two are very good together and the dryer humor of this cohost especially plays nicely against your slightly goofier style (and I mean that as a compliment, you’re more animated and use your hands and even do some voices during those moments, great stuff). This is the first time I’ve watched all the way through, and that’s only because I’ve sort of just found this channel and I get distracted and interrupted a lot, BUT-i seriously enjoyed this! And special thanks from an ex Marine on calling out that Jessup was in Service Alphas, not his Blues!!! That’s nagged at me for years. Would love to see you two on more vids together!

[@themingler441]

You really should just watch the film in all its glory - this doesn't count as "watching the film"

[@bex416]

I watched this movie for the first time 1 or 2 years ago and I can say that I, in fact, did watch it because of the "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH" moment and it did live up to expectations. Excellent acting.

[@Silver_79]

Please do this segment with the movie, “Rules of Engagement”. It would be awesome to hear his breakdown on those court scenes……Excellent Tommy Lee and Sam Jackson film.

[@ssgus3682]

My thoughts exactly

[@shelbyherring92]

Anytime hearing Samuel L Jackson yell "Motherfucker" is always a great time.

[@attiepollard7847]

@@ssgus3682 that's my favorite movie I hope they review that

[@darkalman]

My favorite part was "I don't know what kind of unit you are running here" "And the witness will address this court as Judge, or your honor. I'm quite certain that *I've* earned it"

[@CronoXpono]

😂 always loved that interaction. Dudes like “hey, know your station bro” 😆

[@NJGuy1973]

​@@CronoXpono"You're on my base now, I'm not on your base. I'm the CO here."

[@CronoXpono]

@@NJGuy1973 LOOK AT ME, IM THE CAPTAIN NOW!

[@MichaelMoellerTRLInc]

Still love this movie despite it's warts., maybe because of them. The flaws enhance the dramatic effect and the dynamic between Cruise and Nicholson is spectacular. I agree with other commenters the two of you also have a great dynamic. Thanks for lawyering this classic legal drama.

[@Bubba__Sawyer]

Most of the criticisms are nitpicks because of how things need to be streamlined for a movie. A lot of the technical details, especially to do with the military, the guy just basically says "that's not how it works" without really explaining how it _does_ work.

[@Zack_410]

I mean if a movie or show got every single little thing right it wouldn't be very entertaining.

[@Marathonman2043]

@@Bubba__Sawyer The military was not happy about this film being made and refused to cooperate. Perhaps there would have been fewer technical details botched if they had cooperated.

[@drfrancintosh]

I once watched an Aaron Sorkin master class. In it he said he grew up going to the opera with his parents. And his greatest desire was to write operas. And he said that writing screenplays and the dialog was the closest he ever came. That Jack Nicholson scene is a prime example of how Sorkin's scripts execute like operas.

[@joshuajohnson9594]

You guys interact like best friends. I'm loving the dynamic, I am down for more military law interpretations!

[@AxelQC]

The Nuremberg Trials (1946) pretty much established that following orders was no defense for violating human rights.

[@dionh70]

The atrocities committed during Vietnam forced the U.S. Military to implement an entire training regimen during boot camp on the concept and understanding of "lawful orders", far more so than the results of the Nuremburg Trials.

[@Nikotheleepic]

Don't pretend that it wasn't a matter of the victors assigning the judgements they saw fit, there is nothing objective established about it given it has no relation to US military law.

[@AxelQC]

@@Nikotheleepic Found the Alt-Right here.

[@Nikotheleepic]

@@AxelQC "The surest way to work up a crusade in favor of some good cause is to promise people they will have a chance of maltreating someone. To be able to destroy with good conscience, to be able to behave badly and call your bad behavior 'righteous indignation' - this is the height of psychological luxury, the most delicious of moral treats." - Aldous Huxley.

[@LordMondegrene]

"Befehl ist befehl"... translates basically as "Orders are orders." Didn't work at Nuremberg.

[@Rapinasimplicis]

A perfect one for you two to do would be Jim Webb’s Rules of Engagement with Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L Jackson. A Marine Corps procedural drama. As far as I’m concerned one of the best movies ever.

[@stucowie1982]

I love this movie, and every time I watch it I start it from the start of the trial

[@koreykilburn5303]

US Army 1991 it was called a blanket party not just hazing. The scene showing some soldiers or marines holding the blanket down over the victim while others beat on the person is where the name comes. Often weapons include soap bars inside tube socks used as makeshift clubs.