‘Legally and morally atrocious’: Australian pilot to be extradited to US

[@Jon-ug3le]

As a former USMC aviator i can vouch that there was no grey area, none. You do not train Chinese pilots how to land on a carrier. I am bemused at what defense he will attempt.

[@mrblurblur2003]

Goes to showcase Anglo Saxons are racist in nature. White supremacy downfall, no shame.

[@mikerobb7443]

So, exactly when did we declare war on china? Im sorry you were brainwashed by propaganda. I can understand you were trained to view people of certain nationalities as "the enemy" but until war is actually declared they are not "the actual enemy" under any reasonable legal definition and the USA doesnt possess any right over landing a plane on a carrier, as any reasonable person would agree, he did not violate the helping the enemy act or whichever law being twisted here

[@ContrarianCorner]

I don't know enough about this particular case to comment, but the U.S. military and intelligence agencies train, arm and fund foreign criminals and criminal organizations all the time. Often those "trainees" then later turn their weapons back on U.S. forces. They also sell weapons to foreign countries who then openly re-sell them to our enemies. What right does our government have to get upset with an individual when they are guilty of this much and far worse? Don't like the competition, perhaps? Do you think the Chinese pilots were completely incapable of landing aircraft on carriers before this American showed them how to do it? Did he commit treason or is he just one of thousands of former soldiers, turned private mercenaries, who continue to train nefarious characters around the globe? Maybe this guy is guilty of something terrible, but one would never know by the scant facts in this report.

[@hughboyle7251]

Yes, we get that America is the only one to dictate world policy.

[@BoominGame]

And I would agree with you if the army's culture itself wasn't pay for play, the fish always rots from the head. Now the chap is going to jail forever while the Bidens and the Clintons and the Obamas keep roaming free after doing way way worst. He is a patsy to keep some face, but deep down, the problem is real, the problem is more systematic than a 100k contract for tutoring pilots. (He charged too little btw)

[@Scrubbull23]

Can we send NZ admirals to train their Navy?

[@BigAl53750]

😂😂😂😂

[@aussiewattle4299]

@Scrubbull23. Brilliant idea .

[@MickAngelhere]

Even better New Zealand can send a certain ships captain to teach them how to sink their ships without firing a shot

[@ruanniemann1678]

😂😂 only if they drive Subaru Foresters

[@F_Tim1961]

@@ruanniemann1678 Pink MG Midgets would be more the thing...

[@SpeedyCM]

This bloke is full of it. Most military procedures are considered secrets and even in Australia it is a crime to give state secrets to a foreign nation.

[@MFFMPN]

Yet the US president arms a whole Army when he cowardly evacuated from Afghanistan!!

[@beauzo9965]

A bit of info kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3qxgZ-QiMh8jcksi=sP0tXCdEAs2KKStz

[@johnshaw6702]

​@@beauzo9965That was interesting until he said genocide in Gaza, which makes me question his accuracy. Anyway, thanks for the link.

[@unfurling3129]

The issue is providing justice and due pricess - the crimes are only alleged, with no specificity or evidence. This treatment is uncivilized and very fishy.

[@MFFMPN]

@@SpeedyCM what’s the crime of arming a terrorist organisation??

[@randomaccount53793]

All for $100,000? Damn, China doesn't pay that well for betraying your country. The juice was definitely not worth the squeeze.

[@onetimer44]

I was thinking that too. Maybe he was good at laundering and hiding the rest.

[@reclhoss]

All our congressmen and women are for sale. Senators too! China must be raking it in.

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

@randomaccount53793 I'm surprised anyone would portray their country at all, let alone for such little $.

[@bojik2616]

If he did it as a private citizen, oh well. It's immoral to train China in squat. But hey saw a opportunity to fund his family using skills he had. Anyone blame him for acting like any capitalist of a higher wage bracket? We have rich scum skirting bans on tech and research (some dangerous to upgrade their military) for far more money than this, and society tirns a blind eye.

[@ManilaTom]

That is tax free. 😂 so double that.

[@steveanderson9290]

I was in the US military 50 years ago and I would STILL ask permission before training adversaries. It just isn't done.

[@mikesmith-po8nd]

He knew but didn't care. It reminds me of the old saying: "With friends like that, who needs enemies?"

[@Berserker978]

​@mikesmith -po8nd He knew but didn't care. How the Fk would you know. You don't even know what sort of Planes he was instructing on. It could of been a Crop Duster. Knobhead

[@thisismyname3928]

These talking heads are on the traitor's side? Get bent!

[@briananderson7285]

Look into the whole story, he's a scapegoat.

[@iamurage]

@@mikesmith-po8nd This man trained pilots in fixed wing single engine aircraft. Location South Africa along side 6 other ex US Air force pilots. There has been no proof that any Chinese nationals were amongst those trained. This man has never broken any Australian laws. This man is a Nationalized Australian just like anther 70% who reside in Australia NOW. Extradition laws state to be relocated to USA the person must be charged in both Countries. This man has been imprisoned in Australia for 2 years unlawfully with no charges . Also please note President Biden has just pardoned his son and this man is to be made a scape goat for no reason.

[@spannerturnerMWO]

As a USMC Officer, he swore an oath. That oath is legally binding. Your duty to uphold it doesn't end when you leave the service. He broke US law and must be tried for it. This has nothing to do with Aussie law.

[@CharlesHedges-v2u]

The President of United States swears an oath on taking office and he is the Commander in Chief. I dont see him being taken to account either of them...

[@Blox117]

who cares about laws lmao. what a clown

[@swampcritterisbackbaby1740]

@@Blox117 civilized people

[@veetors]

I looked further into this story and I believe the USA and Australia made the correct decision on this one, Dugan is no innocent boy scout.

[@FrancisBrown-v8x]

There are many politicians you voted for guilty of the same thing ...

[@reedwright301]

@@FrancisBrown-v8x Maybe so, but that doesn't have ANYTHING to do with this traitor. Yours is a typical tactic of a person that has no good argument or even a working brain.

[@StevenRogers-hw9dj]

@@FrancisBrown-v8x Name one politician who has trained Chinese military pilots. We'll wait.

[@MickAngelhere]

@@FrancisBrown-v8xyou’re absolutely right about

[@marcoantonioperin2187]

​@@FrancisBrown-v8xand they should pay for that. 2 wrongs don't make 1 right.

[@MichaelKoronka]

This guy was in the US Marines, he knew better. If he wanted to fly jets, there were other options. Teaching a nation that threatens others to fly and fight like their potential adversaries is traitorous. The American people paid a lot of tax dollars to train this guy and gain the experience he has. Selling out to China is disgusting.

[@MFFMPN]

Wow so what do you reckon the punishment should be for arming a whole terrorist Army??

[@MichaelKoronka]

@MFFMPN doesn't matter, Marines are a band of brothers. You don't sell out and bring potential harm to your brothers. Marines are a tight knit group that only those that stood on the yellow foot steps would understand. We don't like traitors.

[@MFFMPN]

@@MichaelKoronka you mean like your current president?? What did you do about that traitor?? Nothing!!

[@Seastallion]

​@@MFFMPN Unfortunately he's protected by (if nothing else) the fear of setting up precedents of going after past Presidents. It didn't stop them from going after Trump, but frankly I'm concerned that Trump will try to be too "honorable" in that regard for either his or the country's good. Frankly Biden and his family are criminals, and there is evidence in that regard. Just because he's fallen into senility is no excuse.

[@jamesgazin9447]

@@MFFMPN Wait and see. Since Joe pardoned his son, his son can be compelled testify against him in court. Hunter can't plead the fifth because he can't be prosecuted for his previous crimes. But, and its a really BIG but, Hunter can be prosecuted for refusing to testify against his dad.

[@edthebumblingfool]

Expalin to the kids that dad was helping an enemy of both mum and dads countries. They will understand

[@WeveGotBush]

Enemy please they have sold the country anyway.

[@saltiplumz2103]

An "enemy" that we import their goods into Australia making up the bulk of our products available to purchase here. Yeah right, an enemy.

[@jetnavigator]

Yeah he also sold weapons of mass destruction to Iraq. Idiots will believe anything...

[@oliphauntsneverlie6227]

They still won't understand but at least they'll know why.

[@chloeleedow7250]

Australia sucks Chinese dicks China owns half of Australia lmao I Agee China is the the Emnemy but our govement have bent over and took it like a slut for years.

[@robertshaver4432]

If he's innocent and honorable then he should want to clear his name. Also: I would say that this is nothing compared to the Bidens' Family and Administrations' actions/crimes

[@patrickshaw8595]

Yeah Joe will probably pardon him now because Joe's a "witch".

[@superjnovaannularaurora9065]

It’s every politician( ex politicians and the new president trump).

[@briananderson7285]

@robertshaver4432 He's been in a maximum security prison in Australia for over 400 days without charges, the government took all his and his wife's assets, properties so it basically impossible for any legal defence.

[@gregmoessner3104]

@@briananderson7285like a Canadian trucker

[@briananderson7285]

@gregmoessner3104 Yes at the wim of authority.

[@keithrickson8522]

Please explain to me what duty the Aussie government has to protect the family of a criminal from having that criminal sent to jail? Is she just saying words? Just making nonsense up?

[@allenstanley3418]

As far as I know where there's no legal requirement for her to speak the truth or testify against her husband. So she can say all kinds of nonsense and drum up sympathy from the ill-informed to make it a political Quagmire in service of her own interest. If she had any morals she probably wouldn't be too keen to accept the money he got by training enemies of his and her nations on how to kill their countrymen.

[@Shannon_Moore]

yeah I was confused by that..Unless she believed he didn't do anything wrong, which I don't understand how she could think that..?!

[@jamesjames8174]

This pilot sold out his country and deserves no mercy. Stop bringing up his family as if having kids should be a get out of jail free card.

[@nav1269]

He sold out the U.S. and Australia.

[@samuelschick8813]

Joe Biden: "No one is above the law." Hunter Biben: " Hold my beer dad."

[@samuelschick8813]

@@nav1269 , Sure did. Remember when treason carried an automatic death sentence? This is nothing short of espionage.

[@Bat-Ben]

Are we at war with China? You're a fruit loop.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

And putting his wife on to defend him. She's either complicit or totally snowed by him. What he did is insanely illegal, no way around that.

[@blackorchid2180]

He was training pilots from a country who is hostile to not only his own but to many others and who would use that training against us if given the opportunity ... he is a traitor and doesn’t deserve sympathy.

[@yungcaco1443]

Exactly

[@mittenjumpstrings]

Irony. Also a country that we flood with trillions of US dollars in exchange for cheap labor, billions for a few elite, and campaign and lobbying contributions. Also the country that makes all our defense tech, or most of it. Also the country that buys bonds and helps the politicians bail out our criminal overspending. To the tune of trillions and trillions. This makes us hypocrites and if Washington cared about our security the world wouldn't look the way it does

[@ksteinmuller]

that's only if you accept the US version of events... and on current form... I don't believe any allegation the US makes right now.

[@Leftyintollerable]

Where is your proof to these claims? Have you seen the evidence first hand or listening to what others are saying?

[@Fish_Ventura]

100%

[@Stetsonhatman]

Um Yeah. I have missile batteries going in my area because of China's aggression in the Western Philippine Sea. The Australian navy has had it's share of problems with China. Mr. Duggan is on the wrong-side of US, Australian, and most Asian countries to say the least. Mr. Duggan was an a former US officer which means that he can be recalled to active duty and is subject to the UCMJ. Mr. Kolomeitz is a silly lawyer full of sheep dip.

[@timhinchcliffe5372]

Everyone has the right to a defence, the lawyer is just doing the best he can.

[@georgevanaken925]

The military will recall him to active duty, then court martial him.

[@StigFerrari]

Why are USA putting nuclear missiles all around China to stop them trading, Exactly like they embargoed rising power Japan, forcing them to war, then leaving them under an army of occupation ever since, same as Germany and Korea 🤷‍♂️

[@kadmow]

@@timhinchcliffe5372 - yep extradition is to have a day - or month - in court.

[@jeffhedrich3551]

Those missile batteries have been canceled.

[@mjrtom2501]

Tell them their father was training the enemy ! Almost considered a traitor ! He knew better

[@Berserker978]

Their only the Enemy if you're at War.

[@thisismyname3928]

@@Berserker978 Apparently you've never heard of a cold war.

[@armymutt25A]

Are you telling me that you have never purchased anything from China?

[@dreb222]

@@Berserker978Not true. That aside, aiding a country that’s in an unfriendly relationship with that of whose secrets and tactics you’re sharing, is sedition at the least, and treason at the most. THAT aside, it doesn’t matter if he was training Australia, UK, or China, he was divulging tactics, procedures, and information that’s closely kept in house, without permission. There are laws about this. A lot of them.

[@briananderson7285]

Our government training more hostile personnel.

[@markturner9272]

Just tell your children he is a traitor and will pay for his crimes in an American jail

[@benhart777]

You pay for crimes in prison. Jail is where legally innocent people await trial if they can’t afford bail, or if the offence they’re accused of is murder or there are other circumstances that warrant being held presumptively. I know people serving up to a year, or in some cases longer, usually serve their time in jail but that’s just a quirk of the system

[@animalian01]

He chose to train the chinese pilots for money,no one forced him to do it.

[@elisadelaurenti2516]

Says who? The ones OWNED by the CCP. Wake up.

[@superjnovaannularaurora9065]

The act of training it self is not wrong. What the Chinese want is the tactic the west especially the use using. What is wrong is he exposing the tactic( limitations /advantages of us jets)to Chinese so this will/could have cause a big problem for us pilots. Never tell your “ enemy” about your war strategy.

[@PrayingPanda]

So? What's wrong with that? Fact is that it seems he didn't break the law. But america doesn't like he trained other countries pilots...allegedly. If he's not employeed by the US military, then he's free to seel his skills like all the tactical folks who teach gun training.

[@superjnovaannularaurora9065]

@ anyone can get in trouble with their government. He got in trouble regarding to him training the Chinese pilots. Chinese get in trouble for criticizing the government. Pooh the bear is banned. When did pooh the bear criticizing government or negative influence?

[@dartarian]

​@@PrayingPandathat is not how it works. Not in the slightest. There are many things that are agreed upon when entering and leaving the armed services. Technically, you never really "leave" it.

[@stevenelson1239]

Explain to the kids that daddy is a traitor to his country of birth after running away & gaining citizenship to a foreign country.

[@rusticbox9908]

Yup, guilty until proven innocent.

[@swampcritterisbackbaby1740]

@@rusticbox9908 No, he is guilty because he did it.

[@eugeniahobbs41]

Thought he wouldn’t get caught. He has a reservation at Leavenworth Airbnb.

[@EZ-df1cm]

@@TDX3000 It's a military prison in USA

[@oliphauntsneverlie6227]

@@TDX3000 Selling your country out is weird. What @eugeniahobbs41 said is not.

[@StevenRogers-hw9dj]

@@TDX3000 "The United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB), colloquially known as Leavenworth, is a military correctional facility located on Fort Leavenworth, a United States Army post in Kansas" - Wikipedia

[@timmcmullen5]

Why try to send him to Kansas when you can send him to beautiful Colorado and have him be a guest at USP Florence ADMAX or as everybody knows it " Supermax " !!!

[@MFFMPN]

Yeah right next to the current US president, you know the one who armed at the taliban' when he withdrew from Afghanistan

[@rogermckinnon5738]

If he betrayed his country of birth, what was stopping him from doing the same here. No sympathy

[@mackenzieowens161]

very true

[@keithwhisman]

He did betray Australia, you think Australia has anything to gain from CCP Naval Aviation? China is a huge threat to Australia and the Philippines where they are actively stealing islands.

[@fhuber7507]

"former Marine" if he considers himself a former Marine, then he never took being a Marine seriously. And the security clearance documents he signed have no expiration date. If he was violating that, then he was committing espionage or treason.

[@brasidas2011]

Former Marine is not the same as Ex-Marine.

[@brunonikodemski2420]

@@brasidas2011 For strategic programs, there is no time limit, unless the whole program is cleared.

[@brasidas2011]

@@brunonikodemski2420 Incorrect. An Ex-Marine was discharged under dishonorable conditions. A former Marine is one who is no longer on active duty yet was discharged under honorable conditions.

[@Gonken88]

They're all a bunch of thugs anyway.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@brasidas2011 Depending upon the person it could also be a branch transfer...not part of this case, but it happened. Did happen to my grandfather though.

[@sidecarmisanthrope5927]

His wife is upset that he got caught.

[@Roonasaur]

To be fair, she was probably totally clueless, and is dealing with some feelings of betrayal.

[@benhart777]

What an original comment. People on the right complain about the loss of morality in the west when it comes to all the degenerate filth being pushed on children like transsexualism and all kinds of evil woke ideologies, yet they can’t see where they’ve lost morality themselves. Whether or not you believe in God, the west was founded on Christian morality and Christianity demands forgiving your enemies, and turning the other cheek and all that. But many parts of the right appear to be vengeful unforgiving and cruel, constantly demanding that any wrongdoer be given the maximum sentence or worse, and then taking joy in the idea that might be SAed in prison. In not saying all of this applies to you, but certainly some of it does

[@MFFMPN]

I wonder if that's the same betrayal the US people are feeling since their current president open the southern border allowing so many members of the Chinese communist party to enter the country unopposed🤔🤔 oh that's right no one's thinking of that are they

[@kenneth9874]

​@@Roonasaurnah, she urged him to do it for the cash.

[@stevestancill4928]

@@Roonasaurclueless to the extra 100k showing up in her account ?

[@MikeHunt-s9m]

Good. He deserves to be extradited. But Australia has a more radical problem than some pilot

[@MFFMPN]

Really he deserves to be extradited does he?? then what does the current US president deserve for arming the taliban??

[@johnshaw6702]

​@@MFFMPNI don't know about the pilot, but unfortunately we can't extradite the current office holder.

[@swampcritterisbackbaby1740]

@@MFFMPN A short drop and a sudden stop. What does that have to do with this case?

[@MFFMPN]

@@swampcritterisbackbaby1740 really?? You can’t see the similarities here?? They’re accusing this man of treason because he trained foreign fighter pilots to land an aircraft on a moving ship!! Wouldn’t you think a politician who armed a whole terrorist organisation should also be charged with treason as well?? So the question is, if the U.S. government is willing to charge this nobody with treason and all he done was teach foreign pilots to land on a ship why aren’t they charging this other criminal who armed a whole enemy army with billions of dollars in modern day military equipment from weapons to aircraft to night vision systems to ammunition to vehicles etc etc….

[@swampcritterisbackbaby1740]

@@MFFMPN Kindly point to the person Currently in the dee ohjaye who would bring that case to court. Reread the part about short drop, sudden stop. That was in reply to your last question. This in no way excuses what the pilot knowingly did.

[@Dr_Augustus_MD]

0:53 It seems to be you're less upset about him being caught as a Western traitor for the Communist Chinese military than you are about not being supported by the Australian government. The only remaining question I have for you, Mrs, were you aware your husband was a traitor? If not, then, did you ever stop and think to yourself, 'Whereas all is extra money coming from." Neither Australia nor America take highly to traitors.

[@Anon54387]

And the lawyer is an idiot saying this isn't a crime under Aussie law. We aren't talking about Aussie law hence the extradition. Does he understand what extradition means?

[@Anon54387]

Morally, if I can say this as a lawyer. He really said THAT. Speaks volumes.

[@briananderson7285]

We have a lot of traitors in parliament.

[@benhart777]

@@Anon54387that’s not true. The offence has to be a crime not just in the extraditing country but in the rendering country as well. So, the UK wouldn’t be able to extradite someone from Germany for consensual adult in’cest because, even though it’s objectively sick, and an indictable offence in the UK, it’s totally legal in Germany. (Make of that what you will.) Likewise, Uganda couldn’t extradite someone from the UK for gay things as it isn’t a crime in the UK. (Quite why the UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda is somewhat worrying, but I suppose African SAers can’t just high tail it to Uganda to escape justice which is obviously a good thing. That being said, if the person in question was accused of SAing their wife, then Uganda could refuse to render the offender to the UK as SAIng your wife is totally permitted in Uganda. Basically, the crime has to actually be a crime in both countries. The amount of people who feel free to comment and put out misinformation without thinking twice is really worrying

[@benhart777]

@@Anon54387if you’re really a lawyer, your lack of knowledge of basic extradition law speaks volumes

[@saltymonke3682]

I argued with him once online, and he's very pro CCP. Don't trust him that he's innocent. He knows what he's doing.

[@dimitzvonmelbourne7886]

Traitors should be punished, US can keep him there....

[@GaryPutnam-l4z]

Trust me, they will for a very long time, in Leavenworth military prison they will love a traitor like him !

[@noanswer1864]

No worries there, friend from across the ocean. If he did what they say he did, and with the new administration coming in, he won't be seeing the outside, much less your fine nation, anytime soon.

[@pallidustigris]

Before he left the US Military, he should have signed a non-disclosure agreement stating that he could not transfer skills acquired as a US Military fighter pilot to foreign military forces without explicit permission from the US Government. He should have known "ITARS" rather well.

[@Angelo-g6l]

He was chasing the dollar. Australia never let him and his family down as his wife is claiming. Sleep with the enemy and you might just catch something

[@beauzo9965]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3qxgZ-QiMh8jcksi=sP0tXCdEAs2KKStz

[@mikezappulla4092]

I agree. He thought he could hide in Australia but we have extradition treaties for a reason. Also, this hurts Australia as much as it hurts the US.

[@beauzo9965]

@@mikezappulla4092 you know nothing

[@valeriys01]

His alleged crime WAS NOT A CRIME in Australia. Try to extradite an Israeli or American to Australia. You will be told off. As simple as that.

[@ronkostars4258]

@@valeriys01- Treason is not a crime in Australia?

[@jamesdunn9609]

As a veteran of the US military, he is still subject to the UCMJ when it comes to secret information he had access to while active duty. If he shared tactics or other information that are still considered secret, then he should go to prison.

[@videowilliams]

One young soldier in the Civil War got hauled in front of General Lee for breaking regulations. Noting how scared he looked, Lee gently said: "Calm down, son. You'll get justice here." To which the shaking soldier said: "That's what I'm afraid of, General!"

[@NS-ex6cm]

100.000 Dollars only? Is the guy stupid or what??

[@Soulessdeeds]

Well he was a pilot so education wise no. He is definitely not stupid in that regard. Disloyal? Yes. Dishonorable? Yes Greedy? Yes I would say no to stupid. Many educated people have done things that could be called stupid. I know I have in my years. He did something stupid 100%. But to say he is stupid throws shade on everyone else that also worked for and achieved the status of fighter pilot. With all that said and coming from an American veteran I will just say: Yeah he's a Dipsh*t! And leave it at that lol.

[@CoolHand273]

Well considering that the pattern of facts is that he specifically renounced his US citizenship so he could make money being a traitor I would be perfectly fine for him to rot in prison for life. The irony is he did this for only $60K. I am sure he tried to do more "training sessions" but the heat got turned on. I thought he would have just moved to Australia for the free healthcare but apparently not. This should be a crime in Australia but I guess the Australian military does not really have any special capability that China is interested in. If anything this will bankrupt him even if he does not spend any time in prison which is the ultimate punishment for someone who will sell out his country in such an obvious and blatant way for only $60K. On the bright side he can get his receding hairline treated for free in prison. He can even have his gender reassigned if he feels that is necessary. Thanks Joe and Kamala. If the Australians remember the Japanese tried to invade. The Chinese have already taken over your country economically wait until they take over the country physically and militarily. I am not sure if you want your allies training China in how to be more effective from a military standpoint.

[@chrisrabbitt]

Just a fun fact, the Chinese tried to approach former RAAF fighter pilots who all told them no. So they went for Duggan instead... guess us Aussies know who the enemy is better than your guys after all he was one of yours before he turned traitor. He just tried to hide out here from you guys and that didn't work out for him now did it.

[@benhart777]

That’s a lot of assumptions you make

[@atatterson6992]

@@chrisrabbitt Really? Going for the AUS is better than US flex? Ok dude.

[@chrisrabbitt]

@@atatterson6992 when it comes to knowing who the enemy is... kinda obvious. Your man got caught betraying your country and mine and none of the RAAF pilots who were approached betrayed us, they instead reprted it to our leadership. If you guys don't like the return fire then maybe you should invest your energy into getting your lot not to start sh!t in the first place with that USA is better than Aus nonsense.

[@chrisrabbitt]

@@atatterson6992 when one of your lot talks smack about my country, expect a similar reply. Do I really think Aus is better than the US, nope just different but with similar problems.

[@RobertLewis-el9ub]

We have an extradition treaty with the US, you can't pick and choose criminality. Let the justice system takes its rightful path. I am confident if he is innocent then his peers will find him not guilty.

[@LarryaproudU.S.citizen]

We have an extradition treaty with Austrailia. The law is the law. The guy decieved both our nations. He deserves punishment.

[@reubs91]

The alleged offence was not an offence in Australia at the time, which the treaty precludes.

[@ianfoster43]

Wasn’t aware that there had been a trial. You haven’t got a clue mate. Pure prejudice.

[@benhart777]

The law is indeed the law, and it’s a basic feature of pretty much any (if not all) extradition treaties that an offence must be a crime in both the extraditing nation and the (potential) rendering country. (Obviously American allies have been known to engage in so-called “extraordinary rendition” but that is extrajudicial and illegal. If America’s extradition request goes through, this will be another extraordinary rendition but in broad daylight and in plain view. You appear to claim to believe in due process “the law is the law” but you’re willing to forget due process when your own sense of right and wrong says otherwise. When you think about it, it’s extraordinarily arrogant of you

[@MFFMPN]

And what does your current president deserve for arming the taliban' when he cowardly withdrew from Afghanistan??

[@shanemossmoss]

He still has to face court in USA it's up to that court to decide his guilt or innocence. On the face of it he is a bloke who set out to make money at the expense of loyalty to his country

[@KabukeeJo]

He did a NO NO and now he must pay the price.

[@keithrickson8522]

$100,000 in Australia will buy you a new ute, that's about it.

[@Xalta_Sailor]

A Chinese Ute maybe?

[@Stonecutter1004]

Two Chinese Utes

[@richardm3023]

What's a ute?

[@Velocus-p3z]

@@richardm3023 SUV

[@Stonecutter1004]

@@richardm3023 a pick up

[@robstone4537]

Australian citizen or not, he has committed a crime against the US.

[@9thGenerationCajun]

Treason to this degree if proven carries a heavy price he was fully aware of. Surprised they didn't Epstien him already.

[@ksteinmuller]

then prove it in Australia... US won't extradite their citizens to Australia for prosecution... why would we do the reverse.

[@Soulessdeeds]

Nah people only get the Epstein treatment if they have evidence and testimony that threatens the rich, politicians, ceo's, and celebrities. That's how you suddenly become Epsteined in jail. I'm just waiting for Diddy to be Espsteined. He has WAY more dirt under his nails on allot more people it seems. -

[@edwardsmith5650]

The Biden family needs to be looked at real close for their activities with China.

[@billalumni7760]

When the war goes hot with China (not if, but when) will these two still be upset when Aussies are getting killed because a US traitor? Where's your morals at that point? How about other Aussie families that won't be seeing their sons and daughters for a "long time"?

[@philiplangford9434]

I am thankful that they caught this guy so he can be tried in court in the US. If the evidence finds him guilty, let him serve time at Ft Leavenworth.

[@craigoverall5753]

Training CCP pilots. If true should be jailed. Same as AFP training CCP police.

[@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367]

Hmmm israel and the us military trained the chinese pilots for years.. dont know what his crime was.. in the 80s Australia supplied china with an aircraft carrier but they couldnt use it. ....

[@joshklaver47]

The penalty for treason isn't jail...

[@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367]

@joshklaver47 *bang

[@quasicrystal5166]

Well being a traitor is pretty serious.

[@chrisdudfield3043]

meanwhile, the Australian government has been training Chinese Government IT specialists, in how to detect and prevent hackers accessing there networks, The Australian Government has learn these skills from the constant IT Network attacks, from the Chinese Government.

[@ksteinmuller]

not to mention training the Indonesian Special Forces...

[@benhart777]

@@ksteinmullerIndonesia is an ally of the west so I don’t see your point.

[@ksteinmuller]

@@benhart777 of course you don't see my point... because you actually think Indonesia is an ally of the West... it is not.

[@MFFMPN]

Meanwhile the current US president has allowed members of the Chinese communist party to walk across the Southern border an opposed!! So what exactly is your point?? And if you do have one what do you suggest they do with this traitor JB??

[@fgoogleinthea7475]

@@benhart777 Indonesia an ally of the west!?

[@JoelTopsom]

What a load of crap from the traitors lawyer.

[@JohnyLatelyCome]

The wife married a traitor and is mad at the govt. talk about disconnect

[@Cassander314]

Your poor husband deserves better

[@ronkostars4258]

@@Cassander314- ??

[@Cassander314]

@ I don’t like it when women betray their husbands, even when their husbands are evil, they picked them, and they should rectify the situation with grace.

[@Cassander314]

@ if you, as an agent of a government, require a woman’s testimony about her husband, or seek it, you should be put in jail, by my codes.

[@Cassander314]

@ the government should have a policy of not using women as informants; they’d do a better job that way, all the way around town.

[@peltiereric6497]

Just because the guy moved to Australia and married an Australian Woman and had a family there doesn’t mean he’s free to violate the laws of his home country and the Oath of the Military who put substantial resources into training him, the US Military is always going to consider him theirs. Now if he had done nothing with his skills after getting out of the military they wouldn’t have cared but if you use the skills they invested time and money into you to then turn around and “Train Our Adversaries” then you’re a fool and they’re definitely coming after you. Former Military can be reactivated for disciplinary reasons depending on the severity of the offense, it’s actually in the fine print of the contracts for Enlisted and Commissioned Personnel although it’s rarely used.

[@patrickshaw8595]

Yep. Courts Martial and then Bye Bye. Good luck with those appeals - they will probably be ruled on when you are as old as Joe Biden.

[@smokejaguarsix7757]

Trying to say treason isnt a crime in Australia?

[@slayergus8252]

Lmfao the amount of Treason that has occurred in Australia over the last 20+ years is astonishing

[@gazman2769]

Traitor is a traitor. Paid or given other things

[@kepeliwa]

Only 100,000?? Dummy got ripped, he deserves prosecution.

[@ericcarterofthehillpeople]

If he did this while he was an American citizen then I have no sympathy.

[@CoolHand273]

worse he specifically renounced his citizenship to take advantage of the Australian loophole allowing this as well as not having to pay US taxes on the ill gotten gains. He seems like a rogue. 11 out of 10 military aviaors in his background do the full 20 years, retire then get a job at a major airline and make $300K a year on top of the military pension and benefits.

[@hanktraynor4423]

​@CoolHand273 If he was a fighter pilot, I highly doubt he'd have a career with an airline lol.

[@santamanone]

@@hanktraynor4423actually most of them do. Have you forgotten Capt Chesley (Scully) Sullenberger landing US Airways Flight 1549 (an airbus A320) on the Hudson River in 2009?

[@CoolHand273]

@@hanktraynor4423 You don't do both at the same time. After you separate from the military after a 20 year stint you get a job with the airlines. Sure it probably would be a boring transition but the money is good and the hours are far more predictable. Some people can't wait that long and leave the military early and forgo some retirement benefits but they more than make up for it as they accumulate seniority at an airline.

[@EZ-df1cm]

@@hanktraynor4423 I highly doubt you have a clue what you're talking about. Many fighter pilots wish to keep flying in some form and a respected well paid career at an airline is perfect for them. Just look at any pilot profile on Mentour Pilot and you'll see just how common this is the case.

[@TheWayofKen]

It's called treason.

[@bertsrig6153]

If you want to explain to your kids why he’s in prison just show them the meaning of traitor in the dictionary.

[@blue6gun]

Don't assist adversaries. It's pretty simple.

[@gone547]

In days gone by he would have faced a very severe and warranted punishment.

[@RA9U1]

In days gone by, Australia would still be a colony of the British Empire, and America would have zero coercion power to demand extradition since the British Empire was more powerful than America.

[@andrewferguson887]

Yeah, just tell the kids he was training a potential adversary if true. If that's not a crime in Australia, it should be. If he's an American citizen still he's theirs.

[@chrisrabbitt]

Yes it's a crime in Australia, it's called sedition.

[@charlesgustavino7085]

No sympathy…. The lives of Australians have been put at risk…. Only one guy failed in his duty!

[@navajojohn9448]

He failed to get an export license. U.S. companies and nationals will need to apply for a special license - with a “presumption of denial” - before doing any business with China’s Global Training Solutions and Smartech Future, South Africa’s Grace Air and the United Kingdom’s Livingston Aerospace.

[@positivepawpaw7564]

“Australian” ?? Only on paper

[@Nathan-yy2xs]

40% of the people in Australia are Aussie by paper

[@johnlong1100]

Believe it or not, you can never renounced your US citizenship. You can, but the US government will never recognize that for their purposes. It is a law. Good luck trying.

[@RA9U1]

@@johnlong1100 It is *slavery*, and the slaves of the good ol' US of A happily accept it, which is why they never demand a change to it.

[@Joe-b4f3h]

He's denied the charges. Sounds too risky to do, so if he did do it he must be a total narcissist.

[@BigAl53750]

If any citizen, of any country with which Australia has an extradition treaty is guilty of committing a crime in their home country, that person is extradited without any fanfare. Recently, the Australian Government applied to have a man living in Italy extradited for a murder committed by him on Australian soil. He's charged with a crime in Australia and the Italian government/legal system has complied with Australian requests to have him sent here to face trial. If this guy is being charged with a crime, there's no reason he shouldn't be treated any differently.

[@beauzo9965]

It's called dual criminality Look it up

[@benhart777]

Yeah, cos (as the other commenter alluded to) murder is a crime in Italy as well as Australia. You can’t just extradite people for an offence if it’s not a crime in their own country. The UK has an extradition treaty with Uganda, but we don’t extradite (technically it’s called rendering) people to Uganda for gay acts, because it’s not a crime in the UK. I find it so irritating but worse, worrying, that people are so quick to post opinions on matters they know nothing about, thereby spreading misinformation which other people believe, contributing to general ignorance. It’s totally irresponsible

[@wiiildfire]

Tr reason is a crime in Australia. So here you may differ on specifics in each country. But the point is to extradite and let that country deal with their own specifics.

[@RA9U1]

@@wiiildfire But is it treason against Australia or America? If it's a violation of both countries (i.e. like giving secrets to Imperial Japan when both the US and Australia were at war with it), this is easily understood, but it's not. Only America has declared it a violation and Australia is complying because it is a geopolitical colony of the US, not because the Australian government has stated what he did was a crime.

[@Dan-re7go]

Wouldn’t be doing that for 100Gs.

[@marcostapiz3568]

If true, he should be held accountable. This is a treasonous act.

[@beth1966]

Traitor

[@donskuse2194]

If he did it he deserves a trial. If he didn’t he deserves a trial to prove his innocence. It’s something that can’t be ignored by either the US or Australia. If he did take money from Chinese sources to train Chinese pilots it’s an act that’s dangerous to both Australia and the U.S. If the extradition is ruled legal then all the Americans have to do is “follow the money” and display the spreadsheets in court. Sure, I feel sorry if he has put his family in jeopardy and that’s one of the bad things that’ll come out of this. If the shoe was on the other foot and he was Chinese or Russian then I think we know what they would’ve done with him by now.

[@VinnyBully]

no sympathy.

[@Shannon_Moore]

the wife trying to gaslight us all lol

[@JW-so4fc]

If he did train the Chinese. He will have to pay the piper...

[@roastmaster2000]

I love it how Australians seem to think treason is ok.

[@slayergus8252]

Yeah as a Real True Blue Australian.Death Penalty for Treason should be Mandatory.

[@hlcorick]

No, I don't think so. Its my belief the Aussies in general think as most of us do that Duggan has shared state secrets/skills and should be held accountable. His wife seems to think treason is ok and as long as her check cashes the lawyer will agree.

[@benhart777]

No, it’s just that they believe in due process unlike you it seems

[@indigocheetah4172]

Australians do not think treason is acceptable. If found guilty, then one of your countrymen does.

[@jimfesta8981]

Don't you love how they are hiding behind their Australian citizenship.

[@dennisammann9104]

If this ex-American USMC Fighter Pilot was training Red Chinese Fighter Pilots to land on their aircraft carriers, this guy is an American traitor! He needs to be brought back to the USA for trial. 🤔😔😤

[@GalironRunner]

The best part is i saw somewhere he said he didnt know it was the chinese military lol Id love to see one non military functioning carrier like seriously you're training them to land on a carrier in china who the fuck wouldnt know its for the chinese military.

[@Velocus-p3z]

A traitor and a spy that didn't think about the consequences for his family.

[@davidaeldon1214]

The last question put to him should be......" do you want a blindfold?"

[@RespectMyAuthoritaah]

100%

[@GarthWatkins-th3jt]

@@davidaeldon1214 yes, 100%.

[@RA9U1]

"I'm proud that my son will die fighting for Buttsex in Botswana." - that's what this post reads like.

[@wesleyworley8982]

Considering how closely the US and Australian militaries train and are integrated, his actions put Australian service members at just as much risk as American service members. Sending him to the US for trial is as important to Australia as it is to the US.

[@Richard-f4b4r]

This American, if he actually trained CCP military pilots violating perhaps a sharing clause or something, I say put him away for making the world a more dangerous place! I assume he became an Australian citizen to avoid the consequences. In this case, an American betrayed his country to an enemy.

[@kerryfrancis3279]

He should go to prison

[@murraypotts924]

The guy is traitor and needs to face the justice system. He new what he was doing was mortally wrong.

[@jtwilliams8895]

Wow! It’s shocking that an American pilot would train an adversary force, and only for $100k!! The question is, did he train the Chinese on defeating American tactics? That would be a whole different level of betrayal. I’m not sure what the punishment should be, but if there’s none, what’s to stop others from doing the same?

[@zenden6564]

"Though those that are betray'd Do feel the treason sharply, yet the traitor stands in worse case of woe" William Shakespeare

[@Blox117]

pretty much describes america

[@DadCanFixAnything]

Pathetic attempt by the media and his attorney to portray the suspect as the victim. The comments make it clear that his wife is the only one buying the victim stance.

[@LuciferBlack-j1k]

Successful ALP governing 🇦🇺 Tell your children that no one is above the law !

[@positivepawpaw7564]

No one except your Liblab uniparty masters & you shill bots who are allowed to break disinformation laws

[@awc900]

Successful ALP governing is an oxymoron.😆

[@Berserker978]

I'm now convinced that you don't know what SUCCESSFUL means.

[@kermitthehermit9588]

@@Berserker978 yes, they are our important trading partners and friends. We provide them with all our natural resources and lobsters 🦞 and in return they provide us with Ali express products and infectious diseases

[@GLEN-ys7qt]

Except Police, Politicians and other assorted bottom feeders who are members of "The Club" !

[@johnrieley1404]

"Failed to protect..." But question is did he train the Chinese? He for sure knew he was prohibited from doing that, leveraging his training by the U.S. military to help the ideological enemy. Another tragedy in the making.

[@interestedobserver587]

It doesn't matter if he knew (that may form part of his defence or sentencing mitigation if found gulty). According Reuters he renounced his US citizenship in 2016 (backdated it to an earlier date) which would mean he was still a US citizen at the time of the alleged offences. He can argue he wasn't a US citizen at the time because he back dated his renouncement date to years before he signed the docs in 2016 but that seems a pretty thin argument. From Reuters "He renounced his U.S. citizenship in 2016 at the U.S. embassy in Beijing, backdated to 2012 on a certificate, after "overt intelligence contact by U.S. authorities that may have compromised his family safety", his lawyer wrote. His lawyers oppose extradition, arguing there is no evidence the Chinese pilots he trained were military and that he became an Australian citizen in January 2012, before the alleged offences. The United States government has argued Duggan did not lose his U.S. citizenship until 2016."

[@JamieRawles]

Bloke was morally atrocious to train them in the first place.

[@krtcampbell9007]

The man around the 3 minute mark stating it wasnt considered a crime in Australia until recently. Well the fact he was never an Australian pilot makes no difference in his case as he was teaching American military movements and technical maneuvers to the chinese. Play the worlds smallest violin louder gor sympathy as its being drowned out by his bs.

[@Ragnar-b5m]

If hes guilty then so be it.

[@johnlong1100]

Judging from the comments, he may find it hard to get a “fair” trial outside of China

[@elisadelaurenti2516]

This stinks BIG.

[@RealtorDanHayden]

He will be very fortunate to avoid being charged with treason. Training the closest thing the USA has to a near-pier enemy on complex skills is a blatant criminal act-and all for the price of the helmet he wore as a pilot in the Marine Corps. I feel bad for his kids, but he may never see another day as a free man.

[@Imtheonewholetthedogsout]

Explain that he was a traitor to his homeland 🤷‍♂️

[@joelreis5366]

The lawyer stuttering on his explanation tells me everything I need to know. And no one denied what he did.

[@oldtimers6460]

Australia did not set out to train foreign governments pilots hostile to us, the American marine pilot did. Duggan was an American citizen at the time he trained the Chinese pilots.

[@barefootonasandybeach638]

If he hadn’t been released from his obligations to protect and defend the Constitution, then the US has every right to seek extradition.

[@kellylynn3211]

Why not try just telling the truth for once in your sorry life.

[@konnorj6442]

Something screams of bad politics behind the scene here

[@boanerges5723]

There is a lot more to this story.

[@CompositesNG]

WTH!! This man will have caused massive geopolitical military damage that will be irreparable.

[@kermitthehermit9588]

Double agent. He pretended to train Chinese pilots but was really there stealing ultra top secret CCP Shih tzu soup recipes 🍜

[@alanwatts9232]

Like Bobo on Get Smart, the spy ring is just a front, the real money is in the laundry.

[@jacobgorst8357]

Treason isn't a crime in Australia?

[@haroldj.kennedy7300]

Did he instruct the Chinese pilots?

[@edthebumblingfool]

yes all he claims is that it wasnt illegal.

[@kermitthehermit9588]

“Pull this lever marked ‘EJECT’ to engage afterburners”

[@jamesalias595]

The US trained him, he knew secrets, doesn't matter he changed his citizenship, he still could violate USA law. So let's say this Marine decided to move to North Korea and got citizenship there and then trained North Korean pilots. While NK wouldn't extradite him, he still would be guilty of breaking USA laws. I don't know if he broke USA laws but that will be decided in court. Last of all you are subject to the military USMCJ for life, that is military laws.

[@afleser]

What is wrong with you Sky News? You used to stand for values such as morality, patriotism, etc. The guy stands accused of aiding the enemy. WTF?

[@preschoolenglishwithtumtum4283]

Agreed.