Legendary Debate Panel: Destiny, Michael Sartain, Andrew Wilson, Malek, Angela Knight

[@thedevilofparadis6107]

For Destiny to put down blue collar men like that is disgusting.

[@HumbleHurricane]

Listening from the truck I'm driving across the country, I completely agree.

[@_GandalfTheGrey_]

He only likes blue haired men, not blue collar men

[@dylanshaft8936]

​@@_GandalfTheGrey_lol, good one.

[@charlieisda1]

@@_GandalfTheGrey_ You, sir, have won the internet today, lol!

[@LuDimezofKush]

He is a streamer that make tens of millions of course he looks down on us.

[@bohemiancasanova5538]

This should've been a debate between Destiny and Andrew/Sartain. Enforcing Malek and Angela to talk completely ruined the quality of the debate. Having people with completely different level of debate skills on the same panel makes zero sense.

[@dazza761]

Then only destiny or sartain should've talked. Andrew is just stupid and can't engage with points properly and relies on anecdotes and dodging questions.

[@Wiseguy87]

💯

[@lrn_news9171]

It make it funny though

[@dmdubb3129]

Fr man. “Let Malek get a word in”. Bro no one wants to hear her talk

[@anthonybenincasa]

The Asian girl is so jaded by the red pill shit, she argues against it when those points aren’t even brought up

[@codes9549]

Destiny saying blue collar workers are lazy AF is hilarious, after busting my ass all day 😂

[@19382q]

Meanwhile he looks like he never leaves his room

[@lenoe234]

Someone should post the picture of him shirtless at the beach, never even set foot in a gym 🤡

[@brockcharz2104]

Destiny is an ldlot saying taller men beat shorter men lol, Its like debating with a child, Does he even realise the average height of a marine is 5'8 Also there are multiple factors involved. there are 6'2 welterweight boxers but they are not going to beat 5'10 tyson in his prime. Because different weight classes. How does anyone take destiny seriously 😂 he can't even think before he talks

[@michaelh878]

​@@brockcharz2104Whatever gets you to sleep at night my short king.

[@brockcharz2104]

@@michaelh878 cant counter my argument so throws insuIts 😂 typicaI IiberaI

[@iBreekk]

patriarchy wins again, men best at arguing both sides.

[@tomv4]

I want you to take a second to reflect on your statement. Do you think any competent, educated woman would want to be in these online circles? Yea... You, along with other incels following red pill channels, are constantly judging women based on the ones that choose to interact with your ilk. That's called confirmation bias. Don't expect the majority of smart women to be in these debates. Destiny is a good replacement, I guess. ;)

[@Darknight526]

lol

[@sole008]

Wait you are actually right 😂😂😂 lmfao.

[@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI]

That is the funniest part of it 😂

[@Steelman2323]

Are you saying Destiny is not a man 😂😂😂😂😂

[@councilestatelife]

Destiny thinks, scaffolders, bricklayers, plasterers and plumbers are just lazy and taking it easy at work, how out of touch with reality

[@PatI-zg9gm]

There will always be the ridiculous notion that the way society functions just “magically” occurs, as if all the jobs that maintain it are just assumed. This lack of respect and appreciation for such men, who have built, defended, and died for this culture, is disgusting,

[@councilestatelife]

@@PatI-zg9gm 100% exactly, hes soo unaware of how disrespectful what he said was to all those people

[@trondadon2527]

Yea destiny was a dumbass in this one

[@ultimateyagerman]

​@@councilestatelifeIve said it before, this kid is the kind of person you leave in the alley with a broken nose after the party is over.

[@councilestatelife]

@@ultimateyagerman he doesn't know how condescending and arrogant he sounds

[@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI]

Destiny used Software Developers as an example for how much better a college degree is. It is literally the prime example of how unimportant it is. There are just as many high grade Software Developers who have no college degree, making the same amount of money. Literally the worst example, ever.

[@jberrocalucf]

First your wrong. There are not as many non graduate vs graduate software developers. Second you can add any other example. Stem jobs pay more . You get stem jobs by going to college. Easy . This is all generalized btw

[@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI]

@@jberrocalucf I said just as many and it is not wrong. Maybe it is not 50 - 50, but it is still a huge amount and not some niche. Show some global stats to back it up. And you cant change, what Destiny said, sorry. And I didnt say, that he is wrong, I just said it is a really badly, chosen example and I stand by it.

[@jberrocalucf]

@@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI I see . You said it was a prime example of how unimportant college is . Obviously that’s wrong . In stem its very important, the labs the guidance and wealth of knowledge of the professors. The network one builds. The standards of the curriculum are the same across the globe . Making easier to collaborate and build things .. it’s a silly argument to not reap the benefits of college. If you can go.

[@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI]

@@jberrocalucf All you have mentioned really isnt worth as much as it may sound. What is quite more relevant is your experience you gain while actually working. All companies know that and will make you an offer accordingly. I personally know people here in germany who have a college degree and problems getting a good job, while top I know others who just went to some school or worked for a company to get something equal to a tradeschool degree and they actually get the jobs people are dreaming here to get, like for our car manufacturers. I am not saying the college degree isnt worth anything, but not as much as people think. The best IT guys are not ones who hold a degree, because they have a degree, it is the guys who actually had an deep interest in IT from childhood. They are the ones making an actual difference. Also, the actual knowledge in technology is not at universities, it is in the companies. That is why work experience tops college degrees. People can hate it, but it is, what it is.

[@clv603]

Corollary to that, I am a software engineer and I happen to know a lot of idiots in software engineering.

[@chrisstamper8814]

Take us back 75 years and Angela doesn’t have this opinion. We’ve quite literally created an environment comfortable to the point this opinion can exist in. Hope society doesn’t crash, she would find the biggest, strongest man and affirm to him how much she needed him. Just facts.

[@CEWIII9873]

True, but women are the ultimate survivors...

[@ethansy2978]

thats the whole point, genius. Most of us dont live in dire times anymore. And just because men are better at combat, that doesnt mean they should lead in other areas as well.

[@gomikuzu4545]

true all men get deployed in wars and work in the coal mines and women should serve them

[@sole008]

​@@ethansy2978tell me one area where woman are better than men and that is relevant please

[@ethansy2978]

@@sole008 1.High school graduation rate 2.College enrollment 3.College graduation 4. More competent at office work "Women are perceived by their managers - particularly their male managers - to be slightly more effective than men at every hierarchical level and in virtually every functional area of the organization. That includes the traditional male bastions of IT, operations, and legal." (Harvard Business Review) 5. Company Leadership (possibly) Plenty of research to suggest they have better leadership skills such as initiative, resilience, collaboration "According to an analysis of thousands of 360-degree reviews, women outscored men on 17 of the 19 capabilities that differentiate excellent leaders from average or poor ones." At the very least, they shouldn't be excluded "Moreover, we found that the greater the representation, the higher the likelihood of outperformance. Companies with more than 30 percent women executives were more likely to outperform companies where this percentage ranged from 10 to 30, and in turn these companies were more likely to outperform those with even fewer women executives, or none at all. A substantial differential likelihood of outperformance-48 percent-separates the most from the least gender-diverse companies." (Mckinsey 2020) Keep in mind, men have had a huge head start

[@WTFBUTWHY]

Andrew is the boss Destiny can’t defeat.

[@andoverb1307]

100%. Taller does not mean bigger Destiny. Taller man can be skinny with no muscle mass so yeah a 5.5 foot muscular guy can beat the hell out of 6.2 skinny man. Men by and large has more muscles mass and strength than women. I am not sure why is Destiny arguing over a biological fact that you not going to defend a biological women army from a biological men army. So yes Andrew is 100% correct, you are going to need men to protect any rights be it patriarchy or matriarchy. Another point is remove all men from the army and police and put all women in place and I want to see how safe destiny will feel given all weaponry and power to women. Just for one hypothetical day they should try that. Destiny is clearly arguing in blind faith and ignoring biological fact. Men do not just have testosterone without a reason, they have those hormones to get some jobs done effectively. A hammer is far more efficient in banging the nail than wooden stick doing the same. Yes it can get the job done in 10 days while hammer can do it in 10 seconds.

[@eriklarsson3188]

@@andoverb1307 You are completely lost when you preface woman and man with biological, there are no other types of women and men. Male and female are biological constructs. You lose the frame when you agree to use the language and definitions of those who are menta**y and spiritually ill and you concede to their frame the moment you do and you've lost the battle. You do well to keep this in mind moving forward.

[@pheebs818]

Agreed and it REALLY pisses Destiny off. It's great

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

@@pheebs818 do they have any one v one debates?

[@brandonsimpson1617]

I started this video on destiny side but when Andrew had too set him straight about the intensity of blue collar work; I must’ve rewind 4 times just to hear Andrew ask Destiny wtf are you talking about!

[@Chicagostayscoldd]

When I first heard destiny debates I thought he was extremely clever the more I listen to him it just feels as if he makes a shit load of straw man arguments. Very rarely does he stay exactly on topic, he makes slight pivots to prove a point, and he never admits he wrong

[@rexqt5337]

Finally someone gets it

[@carlospthedon]

Lmao people just be saying these buzz words, how is he straw man the argument?

[@savagegamer2292]

​@@carlospthedonhe does tend to strawman a lot. He even moves the goal post on occasions in debate.

[@WTFBUTWHY]

Andrew is a boss that he can’t beat because Andrews’ argument cannot be defeated. It’s just a fact

[@Ptr-NG]

When someone is a wikipdia fed, dont expect much.

[@michaelhartford8464]

Destiny loses everytime with Andrew because it’s bad faith and talking really fast doesn’t work on him because he makes destiny dumb it down and not run from any question

[@stopreycism]

destiny screaming and yelling is so annoying

[@5050TM]

His wife left him for a twiglet in a dress. Imagine what it must have been like for that to be an upgrade.

[@troy5140]

He is a beta male with no testosterone. Almost certainly raised by a single mom or very liberal parents.

[@deansusec8745]

Beta boy

[@guillermocaliz2488]

King kuk destiny is a female in my eyes. So it doesn’t surprise me

[@s1lkysl1m83]

liberal man child

[@Chrischi_Z_GermanGUI]

I dont get why Destiny is acting too dumb to understand what Andrew is saying. The enforcement arm is what creates the bubble of security in which we can live and speak freely. Without that bubble, there will be the strongest survives. It really isnt that hard to understand. In math we make clear distinctions between some and all. In order for needing an enforcement arm, you just need some people to not play by the rules. For not needing an enforcement arm, we would need all people to play by the rules and that is simply not going to happen. There is selfishness, mental illness and whatsoever keeping us far away from all playing by the rules.

[@jessemiller3108]

Destiny has to act dumb and defend it. If Destiny admitted to what Andrew was saying, his entire ideology would fall apart. He would have to admit we need men more than we need women, and that would undermine too many of his root concepts. Not much is stronger than a man trying to hold onto their ideologies. It makes them dispute concepts they would normally agree with.

[@NULLBDBB]

Because hes losing

[@farahjichi4617]

​@@jessemiller3108what are you going to need men more for of there are no women to birth people in the first place? 😊

[@jessemiller3108]

@@farahjichi4617 Women are great. We need them too :) No denying that. Women can do anything men can do is just an ideology I don't like and isn't true. It undercuts the need for men. And we have people like Destiny running around telling the internet that blue collar workers are 'dumb and lazy'. I'm not denying that some girls can do some things better than most guys. Hell, I know a girl that can beat up most guys. It's just not a general rule, and to go around saying it is just inauthentic to human nature. No one cares about men or appreciates them. And this is part of the reason why. Just looked up the statistics on suicide the other day. It's crazy how white men are immensely higher than all other categories, yet are the least represented and cared about.

[@ultimateyagerman]

​@@farahjichi4617that's not what's being debated, din-gus

[@wrestlingjudoms1302]

Andrew is one of the only people I've seen that can make Destiny lose composure and look silly.

[@Scorned]

It's hard not to get frustrated when the level of stupidity you are arguing against is that high

[@WTFBUTWHY]

I know. I’m a Destiny watcher. But recently found Andrew on the whatever podcast. I was excited to see if they debated because I found his arguments solid… and man Destiny gets mopped by him

[@jberrocalucf]

Lol no . Andrew does not have any arguments that make sense. It was a low level debate.

[@WTFBUTWHY]

@@jberrocalucf then why can no one ever come close to conjuring up a point?

[@jberrocalucf]

@@WTFBUTWHY I mean that part is right. No one had a real argument against Andrew. I think the whole debate was low resolution though. I mean men are the enforcement. I think destiny was right we have institutions that establish laws and MEN enforce but MEN do not work as a collective. They are individual people who sign up to enforce because of personality/ interest:family… they sign up to protect and serve . They fall under control of the institutions they believe in. Where women do their part also. MEN don’t do anything are told what to do especially by WOMEN

[@dontletherspeak7575]

Angela offers nothing to these debates. Some of the most milquetoast teen girl takes I've ever heard. Not even sure why she keeps getting invited to these things. Should have just been Andrew, Sartain and Destiny.

[@bohemiancasanova5538]

Same for Malek. No idea what Alex was thinking. Let's take three college students and have them debate but also throw in two preschoolers and enforce talking time for them to ruin the debate I guess. 😅😅

[@dontletherspeak7575]

I wonder if there is some kind of shared immutable characteristic between Malek and Angela that would explain this...@@bohemiancasanova5538

[@overrated8817]

She destroyed MLD and that’s about it. She’s as interesting as cardboard

[@Misha0013]

she destroyed MLD

[@majinbuu518]

tbf, thats most of the modern 304, they think they're equal to men where they will just argue from a stupid standpoint

[@jordanmoore7380]

It's amazing to me that people still don't seem to get Andrew's point. I've recently discovered Andrew Wilson and I've been watching a lot of his debates, but so far the only person who has been able to understand him (or at the very least not PRETEND as if they don't understand him) is Farha. Farha at least had the humility to say that she hadn't considered Andrew's point enough and wanted to schedule a future talk with him after she reflected on it more. Everyone else has either not understood his point or pretended to not understand it...and that includes Destiny. I know Destiny is too smart to not have understood what Andrew was trying to say about the monopoly of force. So everything after I realized that point was just Destiny incorporating rhetoric tactics to try and win when he couldn't win on merit. It's so simple to understand... Any society is necessarily going to need to exist on a basis of laws. Without laws, you have anarchy. And without the enforcement mechanism of law, then the law is meaningless. Men have the monopoly on force. You can have a system where 90 percent of lawmakers are women, 90 percent of judges are women, 90 percent of lawyers are women...but at the end of the day without police, military, baliffs, and guards..,you don't really have any law. And the difference is...all those intellectual positions, men are not handicapped from performing, but women ARE handicapped in all those other positions. Andrew is not advocating we live in a society of brute force and "might makes right" type ethics. He's simply giving a description of reality where you can PRETEND that an egalitarian is ever possible, or you can live in reality and understand that we will ALWAYS (by rule) be living in a patriarchy where men allow women rights and privileges. Destiny wants to debate on what makes for the best, top tier societies versus the middle to bottom societies. That's fine, but that's still secondary AFTER the point you understand that without laws and security, everything else is meaningless if you don't FIRST have those things to function.

[@zachman5150]

There are none so blind as those who would not see, and there are none so deaf as those who would not hear. There's no way for someone with a 3-digit IQ capacity to fit their level of comprehension into someone with a 2-digit IQ comprehension capacity's head space

[@lenoe234]

I know.. I'm over here pulling my hair out

[@dnad85]

Couldn’t agree more with Andrew or your summary of his point! I think the problem word for the lefty types in this post is the word “reality”. Destiny and post modernists focus so much on their ideological utopia, they forget reality has a lot to offer as far as examples of where a society can go correctly, and where they can go off the rails.

[@carlosfuentes2485]

Exactly the currency of democracy is force plain and simple

[@hem944]

It’s because he uses big words with complex sentences’ structures and points after points without real distinction!!! The art of debating is not just about the point and arguments, it’s also about the way you talk, the words you use and how you use them!! I agree with Andrew on a lot of points, but he uses complicated words and sentences for simple concepts and he says in 30 minutes what he can say in 5 minutes!! He is NOT precise and concise!!! He is absolutely the opposite!!! That makes him hard to follow!!! You should be able to speak at the “LEVEL OF LANGUAGE” of your opponent and the audience (which means being PRECISE, CONCISE, CLEAR!), instead of trying to flex your “intellectual vocabulary” just to sound superior and by that, losing points in the eyes of the AUDIENCE!!!

[@everyotherbar65]

Some people genuinely have no appreciation for tradesmen who build the country or the men that keep the country safe and it’s sad.

[@karljonson3287]

Who has no appreciation? Why are you making shit up?

[@Scorned]

There is appreciation then there is over romanticizing

[@josecuervo8487]

College "educated" folks look down on trades but complain when they get a bill for $1000 to fix something in their homes. Why do they get mad? They can fix it themselves.

[@Va11idus]

I'm a wildland firefighter, and I'll say that logging is 100x harder. But nobody gives af about loggers.

[@xJayhawkFANx]

​@@ScornedWithout tradesmen you have no HVAC, no plumbing, no houses, no electricity, no Internet, no furniture, no phones, computers, cars, roads, oil, etc. etc. Without trades society would literally collapse.

[@Bushodai]

Destiny is not a debater. He is a sophist.

[@thefieldtrippers3646]

Yeh he’s a whiney bitch who never argues in good faith.

[@NULLBDBB]

A "sophist" who has no objective truth and cant explain to you why his way is the right way.

[@farahjichi4617]

No one can argue against an absurd position...

[@willieyork6999]

If you are taking any advice from Destiny, your IQ is super low.

[@NoOne12332]

A "sophist" who believes a 6.2" man is stronger than a 5.9" man? lol

[@manasesa.davila1828]

Not gonna lie. Destiny took the L here. He's trying to debate something that ultimately can't be debated and it shows.

[@Nosirt]

I think it’s because destiny himself doesn’t believe in his own position, you can tell because he doenst try to defend them in the same autisticly mad way he usually does. But I kinda agree. It’s hard to argue about it when Andrew is saying “women can only do these things because men that enforce the rules allow them to” and literally anytime the 2 women try to talk, they need the rule enforcing man Alex to step in to help them talk when he doenst have to for the other men. If Alex wasn’t there to moderate, the 2 women would have no way to input anything as they’d be over talked. The thing destiny is arguing aginst is showing in the debate he’s in.

[@brockcharz2104]

​@@Nosirt Destiny is an ldlot saying taller men beat shorter men lol, Its like debating with a child, Does he even realise the average height of a marine is 5'8 Also there are multiple factors involved. there are 6'2 welterweight boxers but they are not going to beat 5'10 tyson in his prime. Because different weight classes. How does anyone take destiny seriously 😂 he can't even think before he talks

[@mantiscoregaming6699]

Destiny can't win against a toddler. He's not a debater. He's a drifter that needs ppl to stop platforming him.

[@LandoCommando-nu1jp]

@@mantiscoregaming6699 it’s interesting that this is the debate that I started following Andrew, and I don’t care what the # of interactions or subscriptions or views says-Andrew is far and away a more influential contemporary voice than Destiny is. Andrew is moving a needle and Destiny is just yelling nonsense into a void. I can tell that Andrew is having a cultural influence by listening to other content creators and this is even within popular or mainstream culture. This is a stretch perhaps but I have reason to believe that Andrew opened a door somewhere for the Chiefs kicker to give that graduation speech. Seems like a stretch but there is a trail of breadcrumbs that suggests he may have viewed some of Andrew’s content before giving that speech

[@gucciadjective7745]

​@LandoCommando-nu1jp Andrew is for people who actually want to test their worldview and acknowledge potential intellectual flaws. Destiny is for people who want to feel right

[@sephiroth6839]

This entire debate was 3 women not being able to manage their emotions, a man explaining things and another man explaining those things to the women.

[@aureum7479]

💀

[@RestorationsFOD]

Andrews polarising debate style is amazing to watch

[@jshv73]

It’s like watching someone try and catch a greased pig.

[@mikeschneider1624]

@@jshv73 so good :°°°)

[@mantiscoregaming6699]

The reason why it's amazing to watch. Is because it is correct, and you're watching those stuck in this gynocentric society, break in real time.

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

@@mantiscoregaming6699 Why do you think there's a big push for AI and robotics?

[@mantiscoregaming6699]

@@JustIn-mu3nl because avg men today are simps and want something that's going to give them love that they won't get from modern women. It's not for some altruistic reasoning. Just look at the software that's getting produced. It's all ai gf. It's for control over men. So they can control the world.

[@ratedrrr]

Destiny's inability to understand the importance of the enforcement arm in society is quite surprising. It's the most important part when it comes to protecting your laws, borders, etc.

[@icanget9683]

Yeah! Why is US most successful country? Because they have excellent military 🪖 Nobody even measures that "oh women are involved so this country is successful"

[@lor3608]

Because it has zero connection. Somalia doesn't have the strongest navy on earth, Yemen doesn't have the best military on earth, and Sudan doesn't have the safest most well policed society on earth. Japan, on the other hand has a safe, powerful society with tiny men that reach up to my collar bone.

[@ratedrrr]

@lor3608 That still doesn't make a good counter argument. Given your examples, there is so much in fighting within each country so unifying as one enforcement arm isn't even close to being true. Japan on the other hand is different. What would happen if boatloads of immigrants decided to land in Japan? Those "tiny men" that you described would not allow it, by whatever means they deem justified. It's not whether men are super strong and 6 feet tall, it's men collectively that are the enforcement arm of society

[@ethansy2978]

youre missing the point. Yes, the enforcement arm is necessary for any country, Destiny agrees with that, but its not anymore a main marker of success in a nation. Nowadays we look at quality of life, health care, economy, safety, and equality as measures of success. Why? Because a country can have a police force of mostly men, and still be a dangerous shithole. Look at the US for example, it has the most powerful enforcement arm in the world. But do immigrants migrate to the US for that? or do they do it for economic opportunities? Is the US applauded for its policing, or is that one of the things its criticized for the most? Its enforcement arm is 80 percent male yet it has a high crime rate and an extreme amount of mass shootings. This whole enforcement arm argument is such a shallow and narrowminded assessment of society. The only time this would be relevant in is in times of desperation in war. Men dont need to be the ones to lead most things today. @@ratedrrr

[@chrisdavison297]

You won't even have jobs without an enforcement arm

[@ScottR3389]

The construction workers standing around on job sites 9/10 are the women 😂😂😂😂

[@johnanderson9403]

The women are the ones who are holding the signs

[@WTFBUTWHY]

@@johnanderson9403 yep. The flaggers lol

[@FatalS420]

I see a lot of lazy dudes on construction sites actually lol. I've been in the trades for almost 16 years.

[@aged_balloon_popping]

Every road crew of men I have ever seen are standing around doing nothing. I have never seen a woman on a site at all.

[@drewmyers3916]

​@@FatalS420but the point is that they are still all mostly men doing it.

[@gigipopescu]

Destiny got slammed. That Andew guy gave a very reasonable take on the topic.

[@googletaqiyya184]

*"These guys out there aren't working that hard" OK now substitute women and you have less capable people who on average have far less interest in these jobs to begin with now not working hard. Genius. Destiny is sooooo smart.*

[@ultimateyagerman]

That guy is such a pencil neck

[@kozmosius]

He worked like 1 year as a carpet cleaner and has never experienced true back breaking work. Of course he has no idea of what it takes to make the world function.

[@googletaqiyya184]

@@kozmosiusAll hail the common mans god!

[@googletaqiyya184]

"Like a year". Is that SJW for one day over six months to one day less than 1 yr six months? Is that one day if the same person is Black? A great scientist you may not ever be. Just sayin'. Facts still spit on your feelz, then they slap you and say 'Stay with us!'. Like I am totes serial!

[@Wiseguy87]

Andrew wiped the floor with destiny!

[@lampad4549]

So this is what delusion sounds like

[@Wiseguy87]

@@lampad4549 😂😂😂 me or you?

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

@@lampad4549hey man no offense but you need to just really take some time to think about things. Honestly no disrespect but if you watched this and thought Destiny looked good or won or whatever then you have some presuppositions that are way off. And a lot of that is REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE. Destiny plays video games….honestly what does he know? what does he reeaallyyy know.? Michael and Andrew have lived lives. They KNOW things because they have been there and done that. Destiny doesn’t look like he could lift an iPad. Like it’s so infuriating to hear him talk about blue collar jobs and labor when he clearly had no clue what he’s talking about. because I do and there are many ppl like myself who listen to someone like Destiny talk and out blood boils with his ignorance of soooo mannnyyy basic things that it’s offensive. I am a licensed truck driver and trucking is overwhelming men-but can’t women do it in todays day and age? Actually NO-they can’t. Even today with all automatic trucks there are things you have to do like even opening the doors on the trailer that are 99% busted can be incredibly difficult to the point that almost no women are going to be able to do it. or when the trailer is loaded at max capacity on the front axle and you have to crank up the piston to clasp the trailer into place on the truck plate it can be be incredibly difficult to do, and it’s little things like that that you understand when you have LIFE EXPERIENCE that make Destiny sound like a moron.

[@capcaptainmycaptain4771]

Holy shit... Saying that Destiny looks like he can't lift much and dismissing his arguments based on that, is the most ret*rded thing I've ever read. I hope you have children, and one day they read this and you feel a terminal amount of shame for saying something so stupid. Don't respond to this, just read it and never speak again, you braindead hick.

[@ultimateyagerman]

​@@MarioEstevez-re1us"sound like a moron" More like he clearly is a moron

[@HolyMarmot]

Destiny loses every debate where he can't reframe and straw man the arguments of his opponent. It happened with Naked Ape, it happened with Metokur, it happened with Andrew.

[@jberrocalucf]

It here .. Andrews performance was weak. Destiny made more sense

[@mikeg8221]

@@jberrocalucfur tripping

[@RavencrowProductions]

Destiny L with the construction worker thing. Construction is obviously very hard work, and not something women usually get into. It doesn't mean they necessarily can't, but they usually don't, and it's a lot harder for them. I think it's easy to say something like construction workers are lazy, dumb, etc, when your work is primarily on your computer.

[@junkaccount2535]

It's almost like since one of the sexes is taller, has greater bone and muscle density, and gains fulfillment from doing harder work on average, they may be better suited to be a construction worker. Oh well, guess we can't bring that up since destiny, someone who most likely believes in evolution, discounts the merits of evolutionary psychology as a hack science because the logical conclusion would offend his modern sentiments.

[@6thandHarrison]

You must not know the reality of the world then. You work a low paying, high stress job long enough and realize that there is a job that pays more and possibly less work, you’re going for that job unless you just can’t or don’t know better yet. He is simply saying that in construction it is the same. People do it because it pays better than other jobs that don’t require studying your ass off for a masters degree or very hard bachelors degrees such as nursing or computer science.

[@6thandHarrison]

Similarly, nursing is extremely hard work that men never get into

[@junkaccount2535]

@@6thandHarrison Its not extremely hard work, I'm going to med school and know some insane nurses. NPs maybe, but RNs, hell no.

[@junkaccount2535]

@@6thandHarrison Its also a traditionally female job that has carried over into modernity due to the fact that they were the primary caregivers during wars when men would come in off the battlefield. Same when the MD DO schools were developing and differentiating in the mid 1800s.

[@johnsalmons4724]

1:32:50 This is where I lose Destiny. I think it's obvious there is very little hyper masculinity left and men are becoming increasingly less masculine, look at the dropping testosterone levels. It makes no sense to connect rising suicide levels with rising masculinity (because it's actually dropping). It's also obviously not the hyper masculine men killing themselves. There is something weird going on where many people see male suicide just as another opportunity to just shit more on masculinity, instead of rationally thinking about that problem.

[@fifiadan]

He can’t admit that though otherwise everything else he thinks is wrong

[@mattfrosty8775]

No I think his point is there's a loud culture of pushing this level of masculinity that probably isn't healthy nowadays. You're not a man if you can't get a woman, you're not a man if you're not making at least 80k, you're not a man if you're not ripped. Don't talk about your problems unless you're on the grind 24/7. A woman will abandon you if you're not checking all of these boxes. This kind of culture makes it really hard for the average man to feel like he can talk to other men or women. That's his point he's not attacking the idea of normal masculinity

[@loosecannon6142]

Humanity will always evolve. What was seen as normal back then is now considered barbaric. You guys are using the negative things in society as of today to look back in history with a fantasy. The great masculinity you guys long for caused 100+ millions deaths. We have great problems now and none of them will be solved by being more masculine. Its a made up fantasy.

[@Devansh-iv3un]

@@mattfrosty8775 Women attempt suicide as much as men. If women express their emotions and still attempt suicide then clearly expressing emotions is not the solution.

[@fifiadan]

@@mattfrosty8775Problem is this masculine culture is lowest now and we have more suicide than when it was way more prevalent. When men were more masculine they had less suicide.

[@fifiadan]

It’s a debate about patriarchy and when Andrew described exactly how patriarchy will always exist Destinys only response was “It’s not that important in modern society” and “this is not what makes nations rich”

[@savagegamer2292]

But this is the guy who is the great debater, though. He's top tier and extremely intelligent, right?

[@fifiadan]

@@savagegamer2292 It’s insane to me he has this reputation. But I guess the best people debating wrong positions aren’t going to be that good if you pay attention.

[@dannymasters5461]

Destiny is more of a dancer, or a very artful dodger. He's not as good of a debater as Andrew, and not as knowledgable or informed as Sartain.

[@zen-isaacreymo4016]

I haven't watched the debate yet but that statement on it's face seems true. As society becomes more evolved men become less dominant that's just natural progression since there's not as much of a need for it.

[@savagegamer2292]

@@zen-isaacreymo4016 how long do you think it's going to take for us to become evolved enough to where men aren't needed?

[@ikemathieu6946]

I usually agree with Destiny, but his dismissal of blue collar workers is disheartening

[@gsdgfds]

He's definitely wrong about underestimating both how much blue collar workers make and how intelligent they are. Learning plumbing or electricity is a tough skill just like learning accounting or finance is

[@brandond1947]

​@@gsdgfdsI don't think that what he was tryin to do. I think he was tryin to get people to understand that they're 2 different lvls to this. For ex I have friends that went to trade school for accounting and plumbing. Usually the accounting students have different GPA requirements that are higher and require u to do more classes than a student going in for plumbing. Wen I switched from psychology to radiology tech the GPA requirements for rad was at a 2.5 where as with psychology it was over 3.0 and it may require u going to a much better school to further education. Also an ex is radiology and trucking. Trucking usually makes more money than a radiology tech but I would be more educated becuz I have to do more math classes and English classes than a trucking student. But also for a trucking student them trying to get into my rad field is gonna be harder for them to adjust than if I were to go into trucking.

[@anthonybenincasa]

Sometimes it feels like Destiny disagrees just to disagree on a subject like this cause he doesn’t like the fact women can’t and don’t wanna do these jobs and we’re not the same. I could be wrong But I’m a plumber and it’s not easy physically and mentally and it takes 4 years to get your journeyman’s Making 80-100k a year is very possible not having to work 60 plus hours

[@ShadowmanEXEv3]

​@gsdgfds - agreed. I see what blue collar workers make working in the tax industry and it's usually much higher than the average white collar job except for a top nurse or tech job. He doesn't realize that the growth in white collar jobs was heavily propelled by record low borrowing costs in a bubble economy that is reversing and that there is a huge shortage of trades people due to the failure to launch epidemic, white collar wage bubble and the penalty that women have given to the status of those jobs in the dating market. These chickens are now coming home to roost and are going to put obscene pressures on the cost of living and will start destroying lots of the white collar industry because people will not have the disposable income to purchase lots if the services that are propelled by the college educated.

[@brandond1947]

@@anthonybenincasa I do have a question. Is that most plumbers that are becoming journeymen?? Also I wouldn't agree that women can't do that. I think women could if they want to but becuz of gender societal standards, they aren't gonna want to

[@rolandotorres7112]

LOL Destiny got SMOKED.

[@declanflynn2580]

Andrew the GOAT. It isnt a debate its ideological/logical abuse.

[@windseraph2938]

in the patriarchal part with men and woman, destiny and that Angel chick need to take the L

[@user-ui4cu6fy4i]

For anyone saying destiny did a good job, point out 1 sensible argument he made throughout this debate. Absolutely nothing he said made sense

[@zerority2k]

Just because you can’t point to exactly where something is or begins, doesn’t mean it’s intuitive. There is one. And is correct. That doesn’t necessarily make it intuitive. Do I win

[@junkaccount2535]

@@zerority2k LMAO Destiny (a girl's name) during the whole debate. He couldn't provide a counter argument and sperged out any time Andrew got close to mentioning evolutionary psychology, who by the way, is an Orthodox Christian. An argument could be made that Andrew is arguing better from the worldview that someone like Destiny *should* have given that he most likely believes in evolution whereas Andrew may or may not. Just goes to show the difference in skill level

[@NerevarReincarnate]

​@zerority2k he's saying men use their intuition when rearing their children on which emotions need to be checked and which ones need to flourish. Everyone is different, and has different needs; this includes their psychological make up. The point was lost on destiny because he thought Andrew wanted a quantitative answer when there isn't one to answer the question. The qualitative answer would and usually is a case by case scenario. Some children have excessive aggression which needs to be self reflected and have learned behaviors to control it. Some children need more ambition so they have a drive to succeed in life to their own goals. It is 100% intuitive from a parent on how to cater to the needs of your children. There isn't a set standard for how to raise a child to be a high functioning adult with zero issues. This is true even when adding outside variables into the problem, i.e. bullying.

[@vee7747]

The Crucible W

[@stevendouglas3781]

*men do something* “Yeah, women could do that too, they just don’t want to. So you should give them credit like they did.”

[@stevendouglas3781]

Crazy that women are given credit for men inventing the things that allow the former to work.

[@megakazuya123]

"Theres no hardcore leftists" Destiny: *(Profuse sweating)*

[@scottemmons6409]

Correct me if im wrong but dont soft were engineers depend on electricity to do their jobs? Lol

[@Valor_Scott]

Also according to this debate, men are also better at debating.

[@crossmarian773]

37:23 lol women have been working in factories for decades. It was very common for women to do all manner of factory work during and post WW1. They did identical work to the men because they had to replace the men who went to war.

[@ivanrodriguez4754]

Sure they could do assembly line shit but anything that requires endurance,strength and long monotonous work, they cant perform near the same degree as their male counter parts. Ontop of that women really only take those job if they're forced to if they have the option they aren't choosing to work in those industries.

[@Delano1236]

They can’t work as hard, efficient, and aren’t as capable as a man can they do it yes nobody is saying they are completely useless but for the long term and for it to be done at a faster rate with better quality it would be men doing it

[@crossmarian773]

@@Delano1236 That's not the argument though. These guys seem to think women were all stay at home wives until feminism. That's not true. Women have always worked in pre-modern and modern societies.

[@keyki9832]

@@crossmarian773 I think they said that women didn't really take part in infrastructure jobs untill the WW1 and WW2s. Women worked as teachers and in various support jobs prior and currently tho but just not as much as men. So you are both right but talking about different things.

[@Guyle11]

​@crossmarian773 if you owned a business, women wouldn't be your preferred choice to do heavy labor.

[@GreatDane1993]

It's amazing how Destiny continues to go on these debate panels with Andrew when his bad faith dogsht debate tactics get blown out of the water every single time

[@jberrocalucf]

Lol what are you watching? This whole debate was very low level. Destiny and Andrew going back and forth was the only good part. In the end destiny made a lot more sense.

[@ultimateyagerman]

​@@jberrocalucfyour boy got cooked kid Now go finish your juicebox

[@jberrocalucf]

@@ultimateyagerman no more juice . You’ve been away a long time . Maybe they didn’t go up there and tell ya . I don’t drink from a juice box no more.

[@coltonditmore9087]

​@@jberrocalucfyou're out of your mind

[@Zacarek]

It's funny when Destiny argues with a woman over women feelings.

[@portishphonic]

as a woman, I am 100% sure that if tomorrow all women, ALL women exited the work force, society would function just fine. If men did, society would be the literal urban jungle.

[@hebber1961]

Man, the level of arrogance Destiny and the top chick have about education is off the charts. These are the people who claim to speak for the workers in other discussions. Their true feelings and thoughts about trade workers and people of colour come out in discussions like these.

[@aribailor3766]

Destiny is such a classist.

[@stevendouglas3781]

Him not appreciating the trades is directly connected to thinking women can do them.

[@pheebs818]

​@@stevendouglas3781great point...so true!

[@Ufhhh12]

@@stevendouglas3781 Yeah he said electricians are bottom of the society, then what are streamers like him? lol.

[@brandonfreeman6517]

@@Ufhhh12 I thought it was hilarious when he started down that path. Shows how he just makes things up, but he does this assertively on a lot of topics which makes it seem like he knows what he's talking about. Electricians can make boatloads of cash, especially if they own their own business, you can basically make whatever you want. Even if you're a journeyman, you make more than most college "educated" people unless they work in STEM fields, but even then you can make more than some.

[@Ufhhh12]

​@@brandonfreeman6517 You are right but this was even worse than that, along with money destiny thinks they are like idiots who are easily replacable, thats why they are the bottom of society,look out for the usual weasel tactic too, who is he comparing them to? Stem graduates. LOL. So because stem graduates earn more etc that means electricans are all bottom of the barrel compared to degree holders. Destiny never knows the facts, he just likes to argue

[@gibson4648]

Embarrassing showing for destiny, he sperged like a twelve year old throwing a tantrum

[@hartyewh1]

HAH! Sarcasm. I've heard about it.

[@gibson4648]

@@hartyewh1 I can tell you were born yesterday

[@hartyewh1]

@@gibson4648 Oh no, you were serious😅

[@brianmeen2158]

Destiny has to be beyond tired of these debates . I could never talk about these same issues over and over

[@gibson4648]

@brianmeen2158 it truly is embarrassing destiny can't just admit simple truths and has to fight tooth and nail to be a gay cuck

[@josecuervo8487]

Destiny: "a wahmen can be a judge. A judge is oart of the enforcing." How does the criminal get to jail? How does he get in front of the judge? Definitely, not be a department full of wahmen police

[@chuckiesrus1399]

These people have no idea what it takes to be an electrician. Nurses are NOT smarter than electricians. All the electricians I know are the most intuitive and creative people I know. The nurses I know are just regular 105 IQ people, if that

[@squidwardtennisballs3390]

Legendary debate! W Andrew. Keep up the great panels Alex

[@user-sb6it6mk2e]

Destiny: You can be the best engineer in the world but you still need someone to build your shit! Also Destiny: Tradesmen are the bottom of society.

[@Einstoic]

You know, those IQ tests? Sometimes they're off the mark. They can mess with your head a bit, making you doubt yourself and all or have over confidence in individuals. Plus, they don't always give you the full picture of what someone's really capable of. A useless tool to measure real intelligence.

[@cranialvisions]

Destiny really disappointed me in this debate.... I've done construction my whole life. There are very smart people working in these fields. Even at the low end you make decent money. It's disgusting to say people are low.

[@Changeyourstar]

23:30 Destiny brought up a really silly distraction tactic by using height of men to derail from the larger point.

[@Va11idus]

Not to mention how disconnected the argument is. He clearly has no idea about physical combat.

[@joshualittrell2457]

To say that a man who is 5’8 or 5’9 can’t defend himself against a man who is 6 foot is insane 😂

[@Rudeboi1613]

Jesus destiny got slaughtered

[@trugoblin7578]

Damn I just said that. This mf said enforcement and defense isn’t important to society I was done

[@carlospthedon]

How did he get slaughtered? That is not what he said at all.

[@Oznek2014]

​@@carlospthedonactually listen to the discussion. Destiny think military and law given by institution. Who the fuck lead an institution if not men? Fukin idiotic

[@ethansy2978]

he said its necessary, like food, but those are mostly solved already in developed countries and isnt a metric of success. Nice of you to share your comprehension deficit.@@trugoblin7578

[@ohmyv3gatron]

@@carlospthedonlol when ever people use ‘extreme’ adjectives like that they’re usually bullshitting and trying to spin the narrative.

[@jkim1241]

Why is it so hard for destiny to concede that men are necessary to enforce rights. Every argument he had involved men and never involved only women.

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

Cause if he concedes that point his whole world view breaks down and he would have to re evaluate his entire life philosophy

[@tlksoup15]

Thank you Alex. I love when PWF teams up with The Crucible. Keep 'em coming.

[@randal3122]

bro, women used to not be able to vote. wtf is destiny talking about saying you wouldnt have a democracy if only half of the country could vote? he literally just made that argument just as a gut reaction response in order to disagree with andrew, and he didnt think about what he was even saying

[@DannyBoy77772]

I respect Andrew Wilson , Michael, and Alex.

[@ilikeRUNE]

"Destiny did u build roads?" "Yes i did carpets"

[@stevenvonsancho]

We have union lineman foreman making 300-400k a year with full pension, medical, dental

[@CEWIII9873]

yup Destiny has NO idea what he is talking about. And those people earn every penny.

[@stevenvonsancho]

@@CEWIII9873 He compared the founder of a social media company to an electrician instead of the founder of a construction company

[@CEWIII9873]

@@stevenvonsancho I know. I lost a LOT of respect for Destiny. I think he has a narrow view because he was low-skilled labor back in the day (carpet cleaner), and does not understand the intelligence and discipline needed to obtain certain trade certifications, and then how much these people make.

[@stevenvonsancho]

@@CEWIII9873 Well hes a leftist it will take a couple STDs, some gray hair and his car broken into a couple times for him to slowly pull his head out of his ass

[@karljonson3287]

​@@CEWIII9873you got triggered hard my dude.

[@spidey677]

Patriarchy wins. Just look at the faces of Angela and Destiny. 😂😂😂😂

[@squidwardtennisballs3390]

Not going to lie, Angela is absolutely gorgeous W Andrew though

[@20yrs_oldBlackGuy]

Yes she is

[@JaeWoodFLAWDSKWAD]

36:52 - "Most people I know are lazy as fuck ... they're not running around busting their ass" - Destiny, female armchair politician

[@yazidk2402]

The best way the beat destiny is to force him to stay on topic and doesn't strawman u, that's exactly what andrew does. A clear w for andrew on the first topic

[@ankitvarma1652]

Afghan man decided women can't study and they are not allowed now. When destiny said men and women decide together. Does destiny think afghani women also dont want to study.

[@jessewebb3882]

Andrew seems to be the only sane one on this panel. I keep on hearing how evolved our society is today vs the past. It kind of sounds like the same rhetoric we read in history books on great nations. Although we may have advanced in modern day society, it is never out of the question that our society being decimated to a point destitute. Palestine during the early 1920 was a prosperous nation with a thriving economy and infrastructure. That all changed due to war. Venezuela, after the discovery of black gold, was another prosperous country that turned 3rd world. The introduction of AI technology does not prevent great nations from reverting back to mid-evil times. If anything, it makes a nation much more prone to emp. So the need of strong men becomes more important than ever. This is probably why a man who is not only strong but also smart is at the top of the food chain.

[@aloysiusdevadanderabercrom6401]

It's fitting that Andrew ends in a W and Wilson starts with a W.....because that's all this guy does is WIN

[@jacquestube]

The irony is every single other person on that panel could kick Destiny's ass

[@silviomorales6523]

Destiny got cooked his ddg community is losing it coping hard

[@Unknown-us3ii]

I see what is Destiny's weakness, he has two so far: -Trump is mentioned=Destiny's IQ regresses to caveman era. -Argue the simplicity of a claim without adding variables.

[@2010justj]

This is anecdotal but Jubilee did a video where they took. I think 5 or 6 people had them wrink each other and then took an IQ test to see how it all matched up. One of the ladies put herself in the top 3. Because she had a master's degree and worked for a biotech company. She put another guy at the bottom because he was a marine. When the tests came back, the marine was in the top 3 and she was at the bottom for IQ. So just because you have a degree or education does not mean you're more intelligent than someone who does a physical job.

[@user-ew6ky3go7q]

The average 6’2 computer programmer will be devastated by a 5’2 average bricklayer.

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

In a fight? Probably not. If both people don’t know how to fight then the larger person will most likely win the fight

[@user-ew6ky3go7q]

@@ArmwrestlingJoe no. If the skill level is zero for both physical endurance has a huge effect. The guy behind the desk loses not every time but statistically you are wrong. It’s a little silly that you think this. A 20yr old computer tech loses to a 20yr old bricklayer. How about 40yr olds? We are talking averages so yeah tall guy that sits behind a computer all day will be devastated by a short guy juggling rebar and concrete all day. I’m gonna go on a limb here and say that you are a city kid. Am I close? Is it office jobs and tren for you?

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

@@user-ew6ky3go7q I actually work on power lines and live in the country lol. And there’s nothing saying the computer programmer can’t go to the gym in do cardio in his spare time and be in better shape than the brick layer who might even have injuries from his job. A guy who’s is a FOOT taller than another guy will also be substantially heavier which is the main advantage. Reach and height are the main advantages in a fight so you literally have 0 argument

[@user-ew6ky3go7q]

@@ArmwrestlingJoe “the average” you lost before you started typing.

[@user-ew6ky3go7q]

@@ArmwrestlingJoe the average computer programmer is more like a sack of suet than an average cement head. Average. That’s what I said specifically. That’s taking from the middle of each group in case you need more explanation. So pretty much everything you said is incorrect. But do go on.

[@billusher2265]

In your next PUA panel have Karisma king and Alex social on, it would be interesting to see them discuss Alex’s anti rsd principles that KK disagrees with, such as don’t open all, don’t isolate, etc.

[@cladd9910]

Uhh wow. I hate to say this but Destiny got owned real bad and he got super mad when it occurred to him.

[@coltonditmore9087]

He even admitted to not listening to a point Andrew made to him

[@damienveals7641]

He brought up weight class, then starts talking about height. Professional fighters aren’t in height classes they have weight classes.

[@Jebaskin1]

Most good faith and well behaved Andrew has EVER BEEN in a debate

[@aries8910]

Because he cucks to any guy that calls him out, and only goes hard on uninformed onlyfans girls. Very brave.

[@donaldbiden9492]

I agree, and he did a really good job of dismantling Destiny's arguments throughout most of it, to the point where Destiny had to resort to insults instead of arguments multiple times because his ego was hurting.

[@LoneWulf278]

@@donaldbiden9492 Which argument(s) did he dismantle?

[@lrn_news9171]

@@LoneWulf278Are you joking?

[@LoneWulf278]

@@lrn_news9171 No. I watched the whole video. Andrew seemed to repeat the same thing over and over again.

[@sgtpickles1319]

Not flexing, just illustrating a point. Served 7 years in the military repairing radio systems, those skills got me into a 5 year paid apprenticeship. I finished it with a six figure income, no debt, and I purchased a home at 28. I am not some exceptional guy, just worked hard. We don’t need more MBA’s, we need skilled labor.

[@Chrisfragger1]

Destiny thinks you're a Dum-b Phuck. Thank you for your service.

[@Ngooo]

I really admire Sartain’s ability to listen to another person’s argument and brake it down and explore the complexity of it in good faith. Andrew has NONE of that. He is one of the most obtuse people I’ve ever seen in these spaces. He has the intellectual openness of a GTA radio host.

[@InquisitionFren]

I really admire how Sartain gets bossed around publicly by his used up girlfriend

[@yazidk2402]

That's your subjective opinion, he won the first debate clearly

[@fifiadan]

Translation I agree with Destiny and the like people who are closer to agreeing with Destiny more than those who call his dirty tricks and make him look foolish

[@almostafa4725]

@@fifiadanexactly lol

[@natediaz1863]

Density fan Boi mad Andrew smoked him lol

[@Guyle11]

Trades allow our society to function. Without tradesmen, Destiny becomes nothing.

[@oliverg.1537]

Every time I watch Sartain, he just earns more of my respect for his personality and intellect. If I were to buy a course from anyone, it'd be him.

[@InquisitionFren]

I’d rather buy a course from Tranthony than from someone who lets his girlfriend tell him what to do on KZbin livestreams

[@mohammedrashid8250]

Hey Michael, how's it going.

[@oliverg.1537]

@@mohammedrashid8250 Are you saying I'm his alt account? What?? 😆

[@donaldbiden9492]

Stop buying courses from people and go outside.

[@oliverg.1537]

@@donaldbiden9492 "If I were to buy one" means I haven't bought any. Get your ass back inside for english class.

[@guerrilla_tactics]

Please never have Destiny on a panel ever again, he's not smart, contributes nothing and is a general waste of air time.

[@ilias856]

What was even the point of having Angela here, just say "man bad"?

[@weirdflex2598]

Male suicide is most likely due to the up tick in single motherhood, the social shift of saying men are horrible, and the shift away from religion and spirituality.

[@benperry1045]

Michael doing a better job at mediating than Alex 😂😂

[@TheUzamaki1234]

This is so true! 😂😂😂

[@TheUzamaki1234]

This is so true! 😂😂😂

[@trondadon2527]

1) Dude destiny lost this debate. Dude was using strawmen like he was tryna build a fucking haystack. 2) Angela doesn’t understand that men still uphold the general infrastructure and enforcement that makes women comfortable. Women aren’t doing the jobs that uphold the infrastructure, so idk why she keeps mentioning the “past” when women still aren’t doing it. 3) Andrew won, but he needs to tag Sartain’s argument more with his cause Michael did the best job with at least bringing the gap so everyone can understand each other’s point. The infrastructure point that Michael was making at first is arguably the most important aspect to Andrews point, and he wanted downplay it at first, until he needed it. 4) Malek at least understands the common sense point better than Angela did which was surprising. The true underdog here was honestly Michael. Without him, everyone is kinda just missing the fucking point

[@stephaniemcavey4637]

My husband is 5’4 and has never lost a fight in his life, including when it’s been him against 2 or more men, and they tended to all be taller. My husband is the strongest man I’ve ever known so this nonsense about short men is laughable to me! Lol!

[@6thandHarrison]

Ive always grown up with short dudes who were respected in fighting and pulled lots of women. This rhetoric about short dudes these days is so off.

[@stephaniemcavey4637]

@@6thandHarrisonagreed! I see all these dumb ass girls on street interviews saying they won’t date a guy unless he’s 6’4 or taller!!! They sound ridiculous!!! 😂

[@loosecannon6142]

Its just been a recent trend on social media where the number 6ft+ got hyped. Tall stature has always been a positive trait in men but its just in an overhyped state right now

[@CEWIII9873]

How many times did you wrestle your husband down and peg him?

[@justinr1513]

Your husband is not going to tell you about the loss’s. He’s not floyd mayweather. If he doesnt have cauliflower ears and scars then he’s just selling you a dream. You dont tell or show your women about your losses, you remind her that she’s with a winner. He’s playing the game the right way. He’s SUPPOSED to have you believe he’s superman, cause that makes you respect him more and feel safer around him. Your husband knows what he’s doing 😂

[@donaldjdemarco]

28:33 This is the entire point... you're an independent boss chick, until your AC goes out, or the power goes out, or the internet goes out, or your water is cut off/contaminated, or there is no more gas/oil for your car. Very few women work in industries that support these baseline necessities. Furthermore, if men banded up and decided to physically enforce womens' removal from the workforce (not advocating it, just positing a scenario) there aren't enough strong women to outmuscle the men. EDIT: 31:09 exacto. And no, the majority of women cannot work these jobs. They aren't building the roads, they aren't working on oil rigs, they aren't powerline workers. Ask Red Pill Thor, a powerlineman, women rarely make it in the job

[@CEWIII9873]

Yup Kevin Samuels and TFM already proved this. Why do you think they get so huffy when this fact is pointed out to them?

[@fifiadan]

Destiny got beaten so bad on the patriarchy part

[@ms-mr8kg]

Andrew is one of the best debaters on youtube.

[@kingdodgearcane]

Lol

[@Ngooo]

Lmao sure thing lil bro

[@stratocaster1986able]

Is there any chance that Alex can get closer to his camera? I can't quite see all the contours in his broken nose that clearly.

[@50jofa]

Andrew is great at debating destiny because he’s experienced in debating women.. 😂

[@davidchung2203]

Men are logical even in this argument 😂 no word salad 😂

[@FranciscoShreds]

Holy God, I hope this Malik person doesn’t stay on this entire conversation.

[@jassielzaragoza9256]

Destiny thinks men working trades are dumb?

[@travisstotts1107]

Men are not out here working hard?? Destiny needs to spend a week with me. I will show him what men are out here doing

[@golfoftonkin]

Destiny is the most bad faith debater

[@epicbehavior]

1:15:00 Men aren’t depressed because they can’t express their feelings…they’re depressed because of nihilism and are low T and many of them haven’t found their purpose.

[@cladd9910]

I’ve been a crane operator my whole adult life and never made below 100k in my entire career. I have no college education but ok Destiny. Real easy to have an opinion when you have never broke a sweat. Blue collar guys would eat you alive.

[@CEWIII9873]

Yup I knew who someone who operated cranes in the Middle East and made ALL the money. I lost a lot of respect for Destiny when he stated this and continued to support it. Really - it is shocking. Looking at the schematics for a officer tower HVAC system vs a heart.

[@everyotherbar65]

Crane operators, welders, electricians are all eating well

[@karljonson3287]

You can look up average construction worker pay. Your crane business proves absolutely nothing except exception for that particular work.

[@CEWIII9873]

@@karljonson3287 should we all just turn tricks like your mom?

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@@CEWIII9873 I dont even know what that means. You seem really triggered by Destiny