Jazmen Jafar Vs Andrew Wilson Debate Gets HEATED

[@PlayingWithFireChannel]

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[@spiff1]

youre the worst host ive ever seen, youre basically a big nothing, u aint moderating sheeet

[@SteveNielsen-oc8br]

​@@spiff1Alex (pwf) Stands for Pretty Weird Face 😂 Cheers 🍻 Eh

[@piratemcdavey5184]

You have too many simps in your chats. You need to teach the m to be men Alex.

[@CristoMorelli]

Imagine escaping Iran only for your daughter to end up doing onlyfans.

[@thrilla72]

You know!!! She spoke about her Dad learning about her OF career. I feel sooo bad for him, he must be utterly heartbroken

[@stephencirving]

That’s why they left. They didn’t escape.

[@halflifeproductionz]

@@thrilla72 dad will joing the iranian revolutionary guards soon.

[@Xizziano]

She speaks about it. He doesn’t like it but he accepts it cause she can’t stop her

[@GrandMasterWu777]

Hhahahah!! the dream of being an American whore lol

[@spinaxchin]

"I dont think you're crazy, i just think you're stupid" 😂😂😂

[@krsnaloka333-po9cp]

yes andrew is stupid.....Watch his laugh..He stops abruptly to show is laugh is sooo phony he laughs when he is losing

[@jasonhughes5642]

Very true statement

[@Maginus-Sama]

Based!! 😂😂😂

[@entrepreneur8591]

Facts 😂😂😂 !

[@boxer12350]

Timestamp?

[@ClearwaterChad]

Men really screwed up giving women rights

[@ninjawizard3865]

It's fixable.

[@dansmith3507]

​@@ninjawizard3865yes it is but not with the amount of brainwashed and simps today without a bunch of blood spilled but yes it is fixable

[@Sabre613]

Everyday I wake up and more and more does the urge for conquest fill my body. So much degeneracy and stupid people in power, our societies are so backwards.

[@ninjawizard3865]

@LittleCreeps-w9i It'll take time, we are a slow learning species, but everything always comes full circle in history.

[@gregwilson8503]

Repeal the 19th

[@michaelchevreaux7780]

In "As Good As It Gets" Jack Nicholson, Answers How He Writes Women So Well, "I Think Of a Man, And I Take Away Reason And Accountability."

[@kevinsiegel4436]

Jazmin lied about birth rates, the more money a couple has the less children they have

[@sterilepickle544]

How come?

[@bryangormann214]

​@sterilepickle544 because their materialistic and nihilistic worldview..children mean putting somebody before yourself

[@ziyadh]

​@@bryangormann214Projecting much😂

[@bryangormann214]

@ziyadh no..I actually have children

[@ziyadh]

@@bryangormann214 Good luck to them😂

[@trevorknight9704]

Flourishing? the birth rate is down. Infrastructure is collapsing. Wages are stagnant. Businesses are closing. Does this sound like flourishing?

[@emma-lv7hn]

Most of this things has nothing to do with women.

[@denise26100]

​@emma-lv7hn hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

[@davidgeiger]

I can see why she switched from law to onlyfans with those logic skills 😂🤣😂

[@robertgoldsmith4198]

This woman does what all insecure women do when they debate, which is to constantly cut off the other person, so that the weakness of their argument is not exposed. I can see why someone who does OF would circumvent moral accountability by only recognizing immorality in cases of immediate and direct assault/harm (she specifically refused to call out incest, necrophilia, or societal consequences of prostitution). Hers is an argument of convenience.

[@lemueldickson8620]

​@@robertgoldsmith4198boom fcuking dropped it! On 🎯

[@richardshaw4866]

Could you imagine hiring a lawyer and this person shows up!? The best you could hope for is titty distraction..😂😂

[@kevinboothby5260]

Lol

[@leonpierre7376]

😂😂😂

[@Anonymous38572]

“I’m pretty freaking rich…. From OF” 😂 glad she added that at the end, so no one thinks she actually got her wealth from any actual skills

[@nohomo4774]

​@@mk4883 capitalism 😂

[@germanrud9904]

the glory of the internet. She would have to take a million dicks to make that money without being able to spread digital media

[@jshv73]

What if she won the lottery? What’s the difference it’s money in the bank.

[@MileenaUltra]

@@jshv73 All I know is that she is going to own a house earlier than 99% of the population her own age and I've seen plenty of people selling their souls in dead end jobs to barely make ends meet. I'll never understand people who get mad at women for making money and getting out of that orbit.

[@MK-cm6xo]

@@jshv73 If I was rich from winning the lottery I wouldn't go around bragging about it either. With that said, getting rich from OF and winning the lottery are actually very similar, since the chances of it happening are incredibly slim.

[@UnisoleBunker]

She’s so painful to watch. She speaks so much and actually says nothing 😂

[@johnathangreay987]

She's not even hot.

[@mikebickle823]

​@@johnathangreay987 she's a ratchet chihuahua, which simps might find impressive somehow

[@1N2345]

We really got that she likes "stuff" because it's better than the "stuff" she doesn't like. I'm glad that modern Einstein was able to show us the way.

[@justkenzie]

Absolutely true lol.

[@jaysandi88]

Like destiny… the tautology tactic… say things that sound smart really fast and hope no one notices

[@X0Lineage0X]

LOL her argument is "If you want us women to listen, you need to force us listen, otherwise we won't." Based 100.

[@zerosaber257]

First we must force the simps to stop their simping

[@SarahL9568]

Or just give one logical argument as to why his ideals would lead to greater happiness across society which she asked repeatedly and he would not answer. Which is the whole point of the debate. But he couldn’t or wouldn’t and deteriorated the whole conversation to 2 hours of repeating the words objective morality because he’s very good at sounding angry and like he’s right and you people eat it right up no matter how illogically he banters to skirt questions.

[@Al-Gore-ithm]

​@@SarahL9568lol do you think she's happy? What stripper, escorts or pornstar have you ever met that didn't need narcotics to get naked? That lifestyle isn't happiness. It's been proven over and over...

[@triniticoclough6387]

@@SarahL9568 OK I’ll answer your question because this would promote protect and propagate life

[@glassjaw210]

@@SarahL9568 Found the simp

[@vdubz67]

She quickly resorted to personal attacks when she started losing the argument

[@sukaenacornelius9285]

I’m. Christian from Iraq, but she is one of the many reasons I’d rather live in UAE or Saudi Arabia than in UK or US. I can’t stand the main stream idiocy. I went to school in US, the girls I roomed with still lack families.

[@kirjuschaks]

That's what Women do if they're out of arguments typically😂😂😂

[@adamtherighteous8911]

You clowns are hilarious. Andrew was the first to personally attack and get super aggressive. She trounced him

[@farsalami8605]

@@sukaenacornelius9285 stay there... don't come... even if you get a visa lol

[@sukaenacornelius9285]

@@farsalami8605 Already have a visa for my job. I travel there frequently and my husband is an American.

[@ripsaw570]

Wasn't worth having a mod in this debate, he let her shout over the whole thing.

[@cougsjohnson1]

I am in shock that a Woman who's Career is Onlyfans is trying to argue Morals. She also said "Who has the Power....We do!". Does she not realize that all of her income comes from Men giving her Money? All they have to do is to enforce Simping and her "Power" gets shut off like a Switch.

[@frawdulent]

All the while these “men” are living paycheck to paycheck and complaining about how hard it is to find a woman. I will never support contributing to the degradation of society.

[@sheridan891]

She has “power” for a couple more years. Then she’ll be old and irrelevant in a house full of cats and loneliness.

[@kapitan19969838]

​@@sheridan891 "Enforce simping"?

[@jshv73]

You seem to think the customer has power over the creator. Otherwise your entire argument falls apart. She sets the terms and the price and the customer decides to pay it or not. She has the power to ban them if she wants. Idk your whole comment is kinda dumb

[@oldkingcrow777]

​@@jshv73the customer literally does have the power 😂😂 Whether or not an uninformed/reGarded consumer base makes it seem like they have no choice, or not, the consumer *literally* has the power in a capitalist system. If people stopped being so stup1d, they could end any massive corporation over the course of a year simply by ending their consumption of said products. She literally relies on broken, sad men to pay her for pictures of her debasing herself. Nice 😂

[@PhilRockwell]

Accountability is her 👩 Kryptonite.

[@Xsniper0]

If men weren’t simping then she wouldn’t have a OF account. Thus in an essence men control how she lives her life.

[@BigShrimpin416]

Exactly

[@kick_in_the_face]

She couldn't even realize that she shot herself in both legs and arms at the very beginning of the debate by claiming that morals are subjective.

[@JT-oo9gv]

If you are not religious you most likely don't think there is objective morality what do you mean by shooting

[@chadofamerica]

It's wild how often atheist moral relativists contradict their own "beliefs" in one conversation and are completely oblivious to it

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

​@chadofamerica ​ oh please, you wouldn't have morals unless your invisible sky daddy gave them to you yet you act as if you deserve the credit 😂

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

​@chadofamerica morals are objective yet you can't even prove any gods exist that would have given them to you whatsoever lol

[@mitchrapp5214]

​@@LightningDoesStrikeThriceIf you don't believe in objective morality by whatever framework you choose then all you are arguing is preference. And there is no reason your preference should take precedence over someone else therefore you can't make prescriptions or tell other people what they aught to do.

[@A3cove]

How embarrassing this woman is to her family 😂 what a horrible example of a lawyer.

[@jasonu3741]

Jasmine: you would force 100% of the women to have kids even if 80% would die after giving birth Andrew: yes Jasmine: what type of MONSTER would do that why did Andrew simply not explain throughout history men have gone to War for the preservation of there society and the safety of there families. The Idea that some men would die to uphold society is a no brainer to men, but it seems completely foreign to women to consider the same for them. but women have far higher self preservation intuition then men and for good reason... they needed to survive so the children could survive, meanwhile men have far less self preservation so that they could grapple with the idea of dieing to save others even non kin. which is something that makes suicide numbers between men and women tricky to compare because men and women dont want to stay alive to the same degree.

[@metalshorty0]

Yup she sure is. Disgusting woman

[@5050TM]

Yell illogical nonsense to paint your opponent as a psycho and then wait until they delete themselves so the yelling stops. Can't lose 😂

[@jayman7101]

She was likely a failure in the legal industry and went to the skillless shame of offering her body for money.

[@nitrohanktoursamerica5047]

She got through law school on a DEI scholarship. Shes a professional whore.

[@stevenscott9863]

The shaming and insulting is a woman's go-to whenever they lose an argument

[@readmycomment3707]

So many simps in chat, she got owned and her arguments were completely delusional.

[@randybobandy9828]

Exactly...she was getting so frustrated because she had no way to argue for her morality

[@Va11idus]

​@@randybobandy9828 it was idiotic of Andrew to appeal to morality to an addict. You have to make actual persuasive arguments to get to people. Not just beat them down with the fact that you have an objective source of morality and they don't. That's convincing nobody.

[@byus6928]

@@Va11idusso dumb everything down. Got it

[@Va11idus]

@@byus6928 it's not dumbing things down. It's understanding what makes a compelling case and doing that. If all you care about is feeling like you won an argument, sure. But if you want to actually dismantle a worldview you need to do it in a way that breaks it down and doesn't rely on "gotchas".

[@misaelfraga8196]

​@@Va11idusall this doesn't matter unless men figure out that they're being indoctrinated in academia, and media to buy into feminism at thier own expense which is why men are being left behind. All we gonna get are dangerous and laborous jobs they don't want anyway. Meanwhile, they'll make more and never date down due to their hypergamy

[@xAzureXHazex]

Jazmen is a perfect example of certification not equating to intellect and reasoning 😂😂😂

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

Colleges and degrees and certifications haven't been worth anything for a LONG LONG WHILE.... when you lower standards, and everyone gets one, and they make sure everyone can get one - by definition: they don't matter. But women will always be proud of them.

[@faded3657]

Willing to bet youre a neckbearded minimum wage worker with a lower IQ than all three of these people

[@johnkelly5148]

​@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue that's true if u don't look at the facts

[@Thethinker6141]

That woman destroyed that guy. She gave him a lesson

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@Thethinker6141 ....hahaha. good one.

[@coachcoopfitness]

I took a shot every time she did an ad populum fallacy and i died of alcohol poisoning 4 times

[@overrated8817]

These women can thank feminism for tricking them into thinking OF was as legit as an actual career 🤧🤣

[@vesuvius2444]

I think their bank account is what tells them it's a good idea.

[@ibot2157]

​@@vesuvius2444 That applies to anything, if maximum profit is all that matters

[@krushingrip]

@@vesuvius2444 LOL exactly. I love how this guy’s acting like it’s not valid when this woman’s probably making more than most fortune-500 CEOs. Now, whether it _should_ be valid is a much more interesting discussion imo. And for the record it should _not_ be valid or allowed. In my opinion the fact that women like her essentially have a free ticket to enjoy retirement at age 18-with tens of millions of dollars to her name, mind you-is a travesty. There’s no other word for it. It is supremely unfair. It’s even more unfair than being born with a large inheritance, because unlike a trust fund kid, she can always make more money whenever she feels like it. And a lot of the time these girls don’t even have to sacrifice their dignity-they can post cleavage pics or whatever and make millions. In many cases they don’t even have to expose themselves. And for what it’s worth, if I were in her shoes I’d 100% sacrifice my dignity if it meant *I’d never have to work a day in my life.* I could travel around the world in private jets, stay in hotel suites, penthouses, mansions, drive super cars, etc.. People who act like _dignity_ is worth more than a life where you literally never have to do anything boring or undesirable, ever-these people who act like dignity is worth more than a perfect stress-free life are just deluding themselves because it’s too painful to confront the dreadful injustice of the fact that your life sucks compared to hers simply because you were born a man or an unattractive woman.

[@krushingrip]

Replying to myself ^ the ONLY thing more unfair than OF girls being multi-millionaires is tiktokers being multi-millionaires. At least OF girls have to debase themselves, they at least make some sort of sacrifice for their wealth. Tiktokers on the other hand are multi-millionaires as teenagers, will never have to work a day in their life, and all they did to earn it was dance in front of a phone for 60 seconds. Like lemme paint a picture for you: there are 70 year olds out there, working as janitors from midnight to 8am daily and still can’t retire. Meanwhile Charlie Amelia or whatever that B’s name is was able to retire-never to work a day in her life-at age 16. The old janitor goes home to his tiny apartment where he can hear his neighbors banging as he tries to fall asleep, while he’s getting bitten by bedbugs. It’s 90 degrees now cuz since he works the night shift he sleeps at noon, and his place has no AC. He wants a drink before bed to cool down but his tap water’s brown, and no matter how many times he asks the landlord to fix it, the scumbag never does. Meanwhile Charlie lives in a mansion like Tom Brady’s-the cost of which isn’t even noticeable to her. At least when she’s not traveling the world on private jets, vacationing in every place imaginable, staying in hotel suites that an Arabian Prince probably used before her, and Elon musk is staying in afterwards. That’s totally fair, right life?

[@krushingrip]

@@treasuretim3 the fact that any of them make a million a month is a travesty. Even if just _one_ girl makes that much, then our society has still failed.

[@ElijahXMedia]

Lmao damn she never answered any of the questions Andrew asked…I mean Andrew is right she didn’t give one single argument. An actual debate never ensued..Nothing was addressed here, just a bunch of run around. she had no position to defend(which I see why Andrew was getting frustrated)…this was a waste of time 😂😂

[@Coolasguy917]

Yeah she’s so weird lol when she’s wrong which is most of the time she etheir agrees if she likes it or she deflects and argues about something else so she won’t look like she’s wrong. It’s just weird cause she isn’t really debating the points at all. Bottom line she looked bad here. U can tell already with the phone and the coughing and not talking as much she was way out of her element

[@stevenpatrick9213]

Bruh you just discovered women?

[@keatonduckett6966]

Lefties do not make positive statements of fact. They can't, its ideological heresy. Ontologically liberalism correlates with satanism to an astounding degree. She's essentially a morally bankrupt she-devil.

[@IronKing66]

This poor man 😂😂😂😂 He answered the question SO many times and this chick just isn't getting it

[@georgeestana3076]

304 lawyer taking L' s wow these feminist

[@CEWIII9873]

I believe it says much about the profession that so many of these OF girls are also lawyers

[@shadowpoet4398]

Carl> "Where's the tiddies, there were tiddies here last time.."

[@nqwertyredman5625]

@@CEWIII9873 .... sadly .... you're right

[@albertbrodhurst9009]

She is living proof women should be seen and not heard 💯

[@lemueldickson8620]

Bam 💥

[@ehsh3072]

YOU ARE LIVING PROOF THAT THE SAME GOES FOR YOU. ILL LET EVERY OTHER MAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF. YOU DO KNOW THERE ARE A FEW BILLION WOMEN ON EARTH, RIGHT?

[@calvingreene3056]

YES

[@andregreen6089]

💯💯💯💯💯‼️

[@ehsh3072]

thats the point. when it comes to her. she is not all women. but these guys, and there are too many of them, hate women@@simplyjulie1612

[@JamenLS]

It's absolutely insane. What women are fighting for literally will end the human species. Also, they are fighting out of spite because feminism literally has women absolutely miserable

[@kirjuschaks]

Women can in fact not fight for the end of the human species, because nature is stronger than the individual human being😂😂😂 Men always will fuck and women always birth children as long were not go extinct...

[@kirjuschaks]

Women can in fact not fight for the end of the human species, because nature is stronger than the individual human being😂😂😂 Men always will fuck and women always birth children as long were not go extinct...

[@NicholasAlt]

Her morality is “cuz it isn’t patriarchy”

[@overrated8817]

Imagine having a female president and there’s a potential for war and she declares it. Essentially women have no skin in the game with the draft but oh they can send the people who do 🙄 that fact alone is why I will never vote for a woman for president. I think the fact that men are the cannon fodder for war is why women are more likely to start a war than men are

[@jasonu3741]

A general rule in a debate that is not specifically aruging these claims as the basis is 1) asking for proof of a god and by extension the objective morality provided through there religious context should not be used as a rebuttal 2) asking a secular person for an on objective morality should not be used as a rebuttal to do either without the debate specifically being about either of those two points in contention is intellectually dishonest and is akin to saying "I just want to talk and not debate". A Secular person can never provide and objective morality, a religious person can never prove the existance of a god and by the extension the objective morality that flows through that religious context. BOTH need to argue with those precepts in good faith or else we go in a roundabout discussion of the religious person say "where do you get your morals from" and the secular person saying "I dont believe in your god" it halts all meaningful dialogue and I am dissappointed Andrew used that as the basis for a claim to drag the discussion away from its original purpose for over an hour.

[@Kage-Da]

@@jasonu3741 In islams case, quran has many crazy scientific predictions that no man with primitive technology of their time could have known, we are talking about 1500 years ago. The only conclusion that you can reach is that god gave prophet Muhammad this knowledge and prophet Muhammad recited it through the quran or hadiths. The deeper you get the crazier it gets. There is no way that this world started to exist based on a coincidence let alone all the organisms.

[@Mmoselle1983]

@@jasonu3741Regardless, she was outclassed on an exponential level and essentially obliterated intellectually. Which isn’t difficult to do with leftist ideologues and feminists.

[@oldkingcrow777]

​@@jasonu3741you can provide the existence of God, but I'm getting ready to pass out so I don't care to grt into the neurological aspect of why we know "God" exists. What you *cant* technically prove is that your specific understanding of "God" is the right one. But as a "non religious" person, it's actually a far greater stretch of the imagination and requires XYZ presuppositions to be an atheist today. It's super silly 😂

[@michaelkanthack]

I cant believe Jazmen went to law school. Just dumb logic

[@ChevyChaser9]

She ain’t pass no bar.. she lying

[@MiamiCuz305]

She went to Hialeah College Law School

[@mikebickle823]

She probably graduated the same school as Cum-in-ma-Harris

[@nitrohanktoursamerica5047]

DEI Scholarship.

[@conspiracybuilder]

That woman makes me soooooooooooo greatfull for my non combative patient loving wife. What dread that lady is. Can have a normal conversation. Talks over every single rebuttal. Gross

[@damionwilliams9262]

Can you imagine? Insanity. No peace.

[@Coolasguy917]

Man she looked bad in this debate way out of her element 😂

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

because her element is laying on her back and pushing them together

[@phglam]

Yup all she need to do for men is show her body PERIOD.

[@chrisjoseph4088]

Actually her destroy the absurd presupper. All this halfwit does is try to reduce the argument to the problem of hard solipsism which his view doesn't solve either but he just pretends it does. Presuppers are garbage. Even my two gfs know Jazmen is damn sexy.

[@transcribeded]

Seriously what makes a two dollar whore think she's qualified to debate morals?

[@northernthrifter8817]

​@@transcribededfeminist idealogy that was socially engineered decades ago. Any idiot can pretend their intelligent even a two dollar pross.

[@PhilRockwell]

Ten years from now this chick will change her tune, but it will be to late for her.

[@Kage-Da]

Exactly

[@jamescash887]

Bingo! It’s all good now because she is young and somewhat good looking but that fades quickly.

[@jeffreyheil9542]

It’s not even about her looks. No real man would put up with this bullshit for a lifetime.

[@raufaghabayov9521]

Well done, Andrew. I know that you know that it is pointless to waste time on such an individual, but you made the point and transmitted the message to the audience.

[@veliqnespa]

I love Andrew but this woman is insufferable and I can no longer listen to her ramble on about arguments that he didn't make and ignoring what he said. 30 minutes is all I can handle

[@MissMal92]

Same. I made it to 58 minutes and still can't figure out what's going on with her sloppy cleavage. 🤮

[@MotivationFromMinds2]

Andrew's patience is on another level!!!!

[@ryanjones4863]

I would of stopped talking to this tard about 10min in. She's dumb af

[@iwillwinsomehow]

It’s hilarious how smart she thinks she is and then any push back at all or her logic being tested she falls apart. The amount of petty bullshit she says to try and get under his skin is truly disgusting. She’s so defensive and insecure it’s hard to watch.

[@jothe4thman]

I’d hate to have her representing me in court. They would just kick her out for being extremely incompetent.

[@Superfan303]

Shed be shocked that they werent just so mesmerized by her barely contained breasts that they just agreed with her on with everything

[@illdeal6187]

She’s never worked in a courtroom lol

[@Superfan303]

@@illdeal6187 shed probably get in trouble for hooking up with her clients if she did actually work as a lawyer

[@irvinace9576]

Unless she does other things to help your case. 😂😂😂

[@darienzalewski-ql6yl]

"PIPE DOWN LADY" So good😂

[@kingpage]

She’s the perfect example of why i always say eloquence is neither evidence nor a prerequisite for intellect 🤦🏾‍♂️.

[@orlando130]

I started watching Jazmen on Reddit about a year ago… I can’t take her serious at all in this debate

[@orlando130]

Just a conversation about her losing her rights as a woman is making her lose her shit. Logic out the window. Thinking based on how she feels like all women do.

[@daMillenialTrucker]

@@orlando130 whaman brother, whaman

[@pete6300]

She is a perfect example of the clueless modern American. The UK is currently falling to Islamic ideology. There has been no apocalyptic war. Yet Muslim communities have created sharia judicial systems that operate outside of British law. The national police force has given up challenging the large Muslim communities.

[@CEWIII9873]

I commented on negatively on your other post...but, I agree with this post. I believe the muslims should get in leaky watercraft and float to their own wealthy countries like the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia instead of coming to the West with their huge sense of entitlement. HOWEVER Shouldn't the British police and army put their foot down on the this nonsense? Also, the West is not a Christian monolith.

[@torstimyle1355]

Let Islam take reign rather than atheism. You people abandoned Christianity and that void is now getting it's rightful owner.

[@harsh3948]

@@torstimyle1355more like atheism will take over islam lmao. Most 3rd gen islamic immigrants in the west are muslim in name only

[@itsjustaname777]

Only because the natives are now minorities and our government is more concerned with pc virtue signalling to do anything about it.

[@madra000]

​@@torstimyle1355religion isn't impervious to critics. They gave way to metrics of empiricism and predictions. You're so Inclined to tout 'clutches of virgins' determine certain courses of existence.

[@creepyrobsta5509]

"We have the power now"..she would 100% be part of the national socialist party back in the day since they had the power! This need for "power" shows you what a tyrant she actually is. You can agree or disagree with religion, but at least their principles are noble. Getting rid of all people because "my feelings" or "no subjective harm" shows how despicable her argument really is.

[@derrickevansjr3564]

Your comment is deep💯 and so true

[@doomsdave3321]

Or she's for Communism and the ending is the same.

[@FatalS420]

I base their principles on control and slavery.

[@bhonest-gb5zg]

All women want power

[@johnbullishi2853]

Moderator needs to stop her rambling so he can speak.

[@wakeUPdummies]

Jazmen: "blue!" Andrew: "blue?" Jazmen:"i didnt say blue!"

[@bergieoldschool]

I understand why she quit her job to do onlyfans 😂

[@chrisjoseph4088]

Yes Because she's hott

[@MiamiCuz305]

Loool yessir. Initially, i thought that maybe she got her law degree from university of phoenix. But as the discussion progressed, i think she might be lying about getting a law degree

[@BourbonJawnt]

Argument was lost when she said there was no objective morality

[@xyourarsonistx3826]

Morality isn’t objective.

[@fayandgake]

​@@xyourarsonistx3826if it's subjective then it's preference

[@xyourarsonistx3826]

@@fayandgake yes that would be the definition of subjective…

[@fayandgake]

@@xyourarsonistx3826 it wouldn't be moral tho..just preference of outcomes

[@xyourarsonistx3826]

@@fayandgake it’s not moral to enslave women either yet Andrew argues for just that…

[@thaddeuscole5375]

Even an educated woman can't keep her emotions in check and use logic!

[@derrickhall160]

The height of narcissm. She truly beleives because "she thinks" is a true justification. Wow!

[@willbarefoot4571]

She just acts very entitled and like her way is the way, because of the fact that she’s been able to make money from pathetic men lol

[@mikebickle823]

It's not even think, it's what makes her happy. That's the mentality of rapists as well lol

[@claymanning2729]

You think god exists? Isn’t that your justification

[@simpbeforeusleep]

Lol when he started clowning on her after her contradictions and “morality is subjective” BS I almost died of laughter. Then she brags about all her MALE guards that she has to pay to keep her safe and he asked if she should be consistent by hiring only female guards that knew ninjitsu… I was laughing to much. This woman is a joke she should stick to OF and shut up

[@Tanaka-kun9313]

Jasmine has no right to talk about morality if she herself does OF and also admit that OF is ethical to society.🤢🤮 What a joke

[@The_Humble_Hurricane]

I can't explain how mindblown i am that i found someone like Andrew Wilson. For over a decade, I've cone to realize, embrace and teach the principle that ALL laws, rules, religious beliefs, authority etc comes down to who can cause the most violence and the threat of violence. I've opened lots of minds in personal conversations as its pretty much indisputable and has never been successfully argued against. The government, police, army, lions in the wild, men in the house and even God all are respected, followed and honored due to the ability to cause violence, pain and death. Andrew calls it force, whereas I say violence, but its ultimately literally the same principle and reasoning. Me finding Andrew 2 months ago was absolutely incredible to hear for the first time in my life another person speaking on the absolute same thing. And after studying his work and realizing how knowledgeable he is, he instantly became my favorite and most respected debater and teacher on KZbin by a Longshot. With as much research as ive done over my lifetime, that's saying alot. Huge props and respect to him🙏🏿💯

[@FatalS420]

Sounds like a bunch slave shit. Laws were made up by man, rules were made up by man, and religion was made up by man. IT WAS ALL MADE UP LIKE A CHILDS BOOK.

[@PhilRockwell]

Alex is a terrible moderator.

[@seanharris2463]

“I know her arguments aren’t like, logically sound, but-“

[@willbarefoot4571]

It seems like a lot of times he only gets on Andrew for interrupting but not her so much lol

[@moriosasahara7841]

Fr, bro was simping hard while she interrupts Andrew and he says nothing about it

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

Was he even moderating at all?

[@humankirk9196]

52:00 Jazmen "I believe in moral intuition" Translation: "I can't articulate what i think, so i just speak with my emotions and I make no sense"

[@willbarefoot4571]

Pretty much lol

[@Billywhitebread4]

I really wish we could see the people who debate Andrew and don’t understand wtf they’re saying re watch the video and then it finally clicks in their brain what Andrew is saying. I think the big problem people do when debating Andrew is they don’t THINK and they don’t LISTEN to the actual WORDS being used.

[@guamcounty]

Feminist moral logic. As long as it makes you happy. Invest in cat food.

[@CrucibleAndrew]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[@taylormade9748]

men will still want her regardless of her morals lol

[@PhilRockwell]

Chewy stock on the rise. 😂😂😂

[@gjjijji]

@@taylormade9748for sex yea

[@stephencirving]

It’s just dishonesty, it’s not logic at all.

[@frawdulent]

It infuriates me that young men will help pay for an OF girls monthly salary when they themselves live paycheck to paycheck. Come on guys, we’re better than that. Build a better life for yourself and stop contributing to the destruction of society.

[@baronn9809]

Nope. At this point accelerationism is the only way out.

[@vaporageyt]

The only fans girls are doing gods work by highlighting the true nature of women being out of control

[@thaddeuscole5375]

She has no argument and Alex is explaining her question when he understands and has answered her! He should explain the answer to her if he understands!

[@Chrispbacon636]

Thank god she’s not breeding 😂

[@GBeegobeekobado97]

She is a fake lawyer

[@Ryan-vl2nn]

________Final Score____ ___________W L_______ Andrew: 01 00 OF Lawyer: 00 01 --------------

[@Coolasguy917]

Damn she got cooked 😂

[@cuppa_joe]

Jazmen's facts are incorrect. Women that are highly educated are not having more children. If you read up on the study "The Puzzle of Falling US Birth Rates since the Great Recession", the evidence shows that the trending data of birth rates of college educated women is on the continual decline. The study goes on to also state that there's no solid evidence of US specific policies or economic factors that would explain the declining birth rates. They concluded that a potential explanation is due to preferences in not wanting to have children and the focus of life aspirations in young women. These shifting priorities puts a greater emphasis on individual autonomy, with a corresponding de-emphasis on marriage and parenthood. These preferences and attitudinal shifts in priorities sounds a lot like the work of feminism to me. Ironically, Jazmen's views and outlook on preferences not only helps to further support the conclusions of the journal but it also strengthens Andrew's arguments.

[@efiniGTX]

Correct. It’s actually the economically disadvantaged and less educated that is reproducing more.

[@chuymiranda453]

She thinks there’s a difference between saying “I thank the universe for how privileged I am…” and “I thank God for how privileged I am” 😂 who’s the universe lady? Lmao

[@ivanborsetto6538]

believing in a universal consciousness makes way more sense than a sky daddy😂

[@chuymiranda453]

@@ivanborsetto6538 and how did the universal consciousness create everything?

[@ivanborsetto6538]

@@chuymiranda453 well we don’t have the definitive answers, we have proof of the universe and science limits itself to study it but the reasons of why it exists are of philosophical nature…and honestly believing in a book that was written by men 2000 years ago or that God is like a man or smth doesn’t make sense

[@realMDizzy]

I think we are in the prime of feminism, a point never before reached. I also think whatever effects of it will be coming up soon and that will determine if it gets dialed back or not.

[@stephencirving]

It has happened over and over in history so many times that our most famous stories are based on it. The Roman’s we’re having orgies and Jesus told them it was bad. Plato wrote the republic’. Germany implemented it, Venezuela implemented it, North Korea implemented it. It has happened literally over and over. People pop up who only care about their own pleasure. They sit in the corner doing coke, don’t have kids and die.

[@pheebs818]

You're already witnessing the effects. The trajectory is frightening.

[@FazeParticles]

what is frightening about the trajectory?@@pheebs818

[@willbarefoot4571]

@@pheebs818It really is frightening

[@dkconceptz6055]

Her morality is herself, and everything must be sacrificed for her happiness now.

[@truthsocialmedia]

This woman is exactly what she says she is. It’s important to believe people when they tell you who they are.

[@RafidNassir]

The moment she introduced herself as a highly educated OF content creator, I knew what kind of “debate” this would be 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@BigShrimpin416]

Right 😂 her parents immigrated to America for a better life, daughter went to undergrad then law school and ended as an online prostitute 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@trev100]

I think Andrew smoked about 3 packs this debate lol. And why is Jazmen's instagram the top pinned comment? My brain actually hurts from hearing her ideas.

[@hamalik1]

The path to destruction is always paved in Gold(Only Fans) LOL

[@cptnbennett]

She's a lawyer? Seriously? She came to a debate and didn't write an opening statement. This would be acceptable if she were good at improvising. She isn't.

[@harsh3948]

So she’s a lawyer with onlyfans? How’s her career even exist with that?

[@demetriharris2071]

She's a fake lawyer

[@seymourbutts7872]

How long did she practice law? I wouldn’t really call somebody who graduated law school but hardly practiced a lawyer.

[@normanosborn1277]

Why do you think she left the practice of law?

[@harsh3948]

@@normanosborn1277she didn't leave it though, her degree just wasn't valid here when she immigrated.

[@johnmoler2773]

I cannot believe she just thanked him for calling her stupid

[@claymanning2729]

Ad hominem usually means you’re losing.

[@westernartifact4163]

Jazmen is a good debater, but she either didn't really understand the debate or overplayed the "we are on top now" card. I've noticed nobody EVER challenges the enforcement aspect. They either avoid it or acknowledge it's men and thus claim men are satisfied with women running things. The problem is, if your power dynamic rests on the satisfaction of men, guess what... You're acknowledging men carry the only true power. Your power is transient and is inherently limited. Say women push too hard against men... Men go from satisfied to resentful and act against women. She just thinks this will never happen; essentially implying men will always be satisfied. Do men sound satisfied today?

[@overrated8817]

Well said

[@harsh3948]

You’re taking “Men” as a whole unit. Men at the top are satisfied, but the men at the bottom which are the majority, aren’t

[@westernartifact4163]

@@harsh3948 I get that, but at a certain point, we have to decide and stick with how we're going to view gender in a conversation about gender. If we're going to divide men as those on top vs those on bottom, we need to do the same with women. Given the fact that we are always speaking about women as a collective as "running the establishment" in this case, we have to speak about men as a collective as well if we're going to remain consistent. While men as a whole aren't at the top, the men at the top that go against all men might as well be seen as women at that point. The Trudeau's and Newsom's of the world are pretty much women for all meaningful purposes. They're completely feminized and in an violent outbreak, I'd doubt they possess much of the physical abilities of men. They're symbolically male only, there to keep men thinking they're still in charge. The thing is, when men across the globe realize these men aren't really men in the practical way we believe they are, we could certainly revolt the same way we'd revolt againt a matriarchal authority with little difference in the outcome.

[@aspreedacore]

@@harsh3948 still men

[@harsh3948]

@@aspreedacore Yes, they're men. What was your point?

[@Tanaka-kun9313]

Damn Jasmines so annoying that the internet froze on her.📶Which goes to show that even the wi-fi gave up tolerating her😂

[@The_Turbo_Charged]

This shouldnt be legal, you destroyed her on video lmfao

[@younggeezer8232]

How is she going to say that the establishment favors them yet she's bitching about the patriarchy 😂

[@ChevyChaser9]

I’m glad u said this.. this is typical feminist bs.. they don’t want equality, they wanna b above men

[@spyder_33]

This was good, Andrew always has the ability to make any debate/topic become entertainment- especially when it comes to making degen feminists SPERG OUT!!😂😂😂 Great job moderating as well @Alex

[@jasonu3741]

when he first asked "why should we follow your aught claims" is where Jazmen should have just moved on because at the 17 minute mark it was established you are no longer arguing in good faith BECAUSE we already know Jazmen does not have an objective morality because language does not permit a secular person to have one and Andrews '"objective" morality will always be hand waived as "just lines from a book written by a man". It is a dead end conversation and anyone opening up to that is essentially asking for a nothingness debate. Even if I agreed with his initial commentary his willingness to drag a conversation into a space where neither side can provide an answer is a waste of everyone's time in a debate. for context it would be like Jazmen refutting his response with "prove there is a god and that god has an objective morality" to say this is essentially saying "I dont feel like debating" regardless of how many times you tell her to be quiet so you can speak, and raise your hands like her response is beyond comprehension. Unless you are specifically in a debate about the existance of a god or objective morality to bring that up as a rebuttal to anothers aught claim is intellectually dishonest and arguing in bad faith.

[@creepyrobsta5509]

Wth cares about good faith or bad faith? The person with the best ideas will win so the faith entered into it is completely irrelevant.

[@Kage-Da]

@@creepyrobsta5509 It does matter since in several podcasts like fresh and fit, she was called out for arguing in bad faith and she stated that she never argues in bad faith yet here she is. She has a long pattern of contradictions. You know that she supports incest??? Who can take anything seriously from her??

[@creepyrobsta5509]

@@Kage-Da Good faith=You agree with me Bad faith=You disagree with me. That is the world we are living in!

[@Kage-Da]

@creepyrobsta5509 That's clearly not what i meant... What i meant by bad faith is the fact that she is justifying incest just to fit her belief because she knows damn well that her whole argument would be refuted if she condemned incest but all she did is make a bigger fool out of her self. She is either lying about her belief just so she doesn't loose an argument or she is genuinely delusional. She is definitely lying about her belief because when she was asked the question "how would you feel if your dad jer*ed off to your OF" she expressed disgust and said that she thinks it's weird. But when she realizes that she has to stick to the script in order to stay consistent she justifies it by saying "who am i to judge" "no harm then no problem". She clearly doesn't believe what she is saying. I can't believe that people continue to struggle to argue with a person as messed up as her.

[@markandrewgriggs2294]

Wow this really makes me second guess ever getting advise from a lawyer, male or female. I thought they were supposed to be smart. Logical fallacy after logical fallacy. Jesus our country is in deeper trouble than I could've imagined.

[@jothe4thman]

You can't debate with a woman who doesnt understand words, including her own. She uses words in the wrong context and meaning. Also, she argues with emotion so she responds to buzz words instead of the argument.

[@Coolasguy917]

Damn this guy destroyed the 304 lawyer shittttt.

[@universal1771]

No he didn't

[@G.B.P.]

@@universal1771yes he did you pathetic OF consumer

[@doomsdave3321]

@@universal1771, Oh, "YES" he did...

[@FatalS420]

How? All he wants to force control onto others.

[@GeoffVanDamage]

My moral philosophy is winning! (And winning by any means necessary = no morals and 304ing on only fans, what a genius)

[@zxheroxz1]

Its clear to see why she went to OF instead of being a lawyer. Her mouth isn’t winning any oratory battles.

[@lorileon2816]

She just talks and talks and talks snd doesnt make any valid points. Alex you need to do a better job keeping her from interrupting😓

[@iamdavidra]

Can you point to a specific spot in the video where you think she talked and didn't make a valid point?

[@jaypey8253]

@davidra1223 the whole video. Bish should be in the kitchen cooking not yapping

[@PlayingWithFireChannel]

Come on, if we’re being fair Andrew interrupted a lot more

[@CrucibleAndrew]

​@@PlayingWithFireChannelI have to if the other person filibusters. What choice do I have?

[@adriansoto239]

​@@CrucibleAndrewandrew, im not gonna say this was a good debate. It was just you destroying this girl who kept refuting herself. The results of atheism, ....... an absurd worldview with an imbalance of cognitive thinking.

[@Harbringer12]

Nothing in Jazmin's opening statement contradicted anything that Andrew said. He gave a this is the way all things generally are, and she said things can be adjusted on a case by case basis. Like, he effectively said all houses have at least four walls and a roof and she said some houses have big kitchens and some have small kitchens based on the needs of the individuals. It really says a lot at how unprepared she came into this without a prepared opening statement.

[@MuslimCommunityInUSA]

She should go do this podcast from Iran 🇮🇷 😂😂😂

[@badgasaurus4211]

Alex has realised he can’t debate so now he just employs andrew to generate views on his behalf. Smart

[@CrucibleAndrew]

Alex can debate in my humble opinion. With topics he is knowledgeable on he's impressive. Also, if his master plan is to use me for content I am fine with it. The PWF channel has always been good to me audience and host. Thanks everybody.

[@julesfalcone]

​@@CrucibleAndrewI learn a lot listening to you. I've never heard rights described as coming from men due to enforcement. Where did you get that? (1 specific philosophy? or 1 specific and an almagam? I want to know more.) Thanks in advance if you choose to enlighten.

[@overrated8817]

⁠​⁠@@julesfalconeWell if someone infringes on your rights, for those rights to be respected, enforcement is needed. Without men, there is no enforcement.

[@julesfalcone]

@@overrated8817 I get the logic. He has a very detailed and specific position. I'm wondering from whence it came.

[@simpbeforeusleep]

@@julesfalconeidk where he got it from but I got it from red pill content and a little bit of common sense. TFM is the first person I heard make the argument the only reason women have rights is because men allowed out and if men got tired of it they could stop it without even need of war, which I agree with

[@powdercowboy90]

She's the definition of someone who likes to hear themselves talk

[@HistoryPoliticsFiction]

Yeah she doesn’t have an accurate view history or logic. It hurt her a lot in the debate. Especially with her subjective over objective stance. Andrew answered her questions multiple times.

[@ehsh3072]

THE DEBATE TOPIC IS SUBJECTIVE. ANDREW FORGETS THAT HE IS ARGUING HIS OPINION AND THINKS HE IS VICTORIOUS. HE IS AN IDIOT

[@angelmedina2272]

She can’t even see past the point…. She is literally insane… she never made one point

[@majinbuu518]

whichever law school gave her that diploma should be ashamed of themselves

[@Forthetruckofit]

It’s not a hard concept to understand, the feminist in you refuses to concede to the argument that your rights are protected by the very men who gave them to you. The day that authority decides you have begun to abuse said rights they can absolutely be restricted or all together rescinded, much like a parent who decides you no longer have the right to privacy in the very house you reside in if certain behavior is exhibited that draws concern. The parent is the authority in control of enforcement, any right granted is merely an exercise in mercy and compassion on behalf of the protect entity. The delusional frame of thinking allows you to think that these rights are God given and irrevocable, when actually they were allowances granted in the best interest of community moral as a whole. Your movement is a farce, the paradise on the horizon is a mirage in its own right, a figment of your own subconscious, shaped by the self serving bias that is feminism. What vexes me most is how easily the a person could feign situational naivety when confronted with absolute proof of a failed philosophy. Talking loud does very little to sway the tides of practicality, because it’s rooted in logic. Her Pop shot deflections, scapegoating, and weaponized incompetence was shameful to say the least. The core of feminist rhetoric is frustration, what’s understood doesn’t need to be explained. No matter how many bras you burn the truth will still be waiting to confront you in the mirror above the bathroom sink as it’s always done. The open aggression is just a cloak hiding the ever so looming fear of losing the privilege she refuses to acknowledge.

[@srodriguez3295]

Literally the only time This MODERATOR steps in is to assist the OF Lady 😅

[@watchonjar]

shes definetly not a lawyer lmao

[@Opp313]

She is crazy. She can’t remember her own hypothetical question. The sad af😅😂😂😂

[@LPWSzzz]

If you were a lawyer and went to onlyfans you failed in life, even if you make a bunch of money

[@efiniGTX]

It’s pretty crazy bc lawyers can make very good money without the stigma or shame, and not be dependent on her declining hotness.

[@Duneboy13]

@@efiniGTXshe’s not a real lawyer, it’s an Iranian law degree

[@medic91b91]

She’s got smoked by Wilson…showed how all that high IQ she talks about went out the window?

[@kirjuschaks]

She's just wh*re, even if articulate and fairly high IQ but having no morals, arguing in bad faith that's her downfall. In fact women like her only could exist in western, 1st world countries.

[@zacharyriggs8681]

When she said “this might get into lawyer stuff” I knew in that moment why she went into OF.

[@tyronejames4187]

I get you Andrew. With the physical force argument, she's thinking of it as feminism vs patriarchy. So when she asked about are there enough men, she is thinking enough men to overthrow feminism. What Andrew is trying to say that even the feminism that she is saying is the dominant ideology is held by men enforcing feminism to be that status quo. So it is still patriarchy in a way. It's patriachy in the apparent. It's patriachy in de facto. The better take would be in his case is to improve patriachy instead of elimate it altogether, because no enforcement means chaos. She's also not acknowledging that because her morality is subjective, there may be no answer to justify to her why patriachy is benificial, or any other proposition. It's all based on her opinion, which means it may be only based on if she likes the propsition, not based on whether it's good or bad. I wouldn't be surprised if she was trying to flip the moral argument in attempt to make Andrew "force" his morals on her so she would look like logical one and him the "preachy" one. If that was the case, it would show that she argues with alterior motives instead of the wanting to dispute points with facts. Andrew, if you read this, don't allow her to move the goal posts. I would stick to the premise of your argument instead of entertaining her inputs that had nothing to do with the argument. I understand your argument was a practical one more than moral one. She made it a moral one and made you stray from your argument at times. That, and calling her names can take away your frame in your argument. Just sticking to the argument would actually make your opponent sound crazy, because your argument is sound.

[@ultimateyagerman]

He literally won this with little effort within the first 20 minutes and anyone with a solid brain can see it Anything beyond that is just him dunking on her for entertainment.

[@majidaljaburi7870]

Everything you said are all facts

[@madra000]

Why is opinion to the mutual exclusion of the 'good' or because it relates to an objective person making a subjective conclusion. All facts are selected by measuring, but moral claims cannot be discovered except by exercise in application and comparison. Most of what you say I agree with. He keeps saying fallacy to nature, but there is no way to not artificially construct a system and appeal to a happening of historic legacy. Excellent summary of the points in general

[@derekhamel2991]

She failed to understand that man enforce patrarchy and men enforce feminism. Mm/mf have one common denomiator

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

Women going to only fans IS the definition of leaving the “work force”. Sex work is not contributing to society.. don’t confuse “contribution to society” with “money people paid me to do x”… getting paid does not prove anything of objective value has been contributed - this can be demonstrated so long as people concede that humans individually and collectively are capable of engaging in self destructive behavior.

[@lexj432hz6]

For those who didn’t understand Andrew around the 40 minute mark when he kept giving the same answer like 50 times, here what he is saying: Since Jazmen already conceded that she has no objection to _and_ would _not do anything_ to stop Andrew if he decided to impose his worldview onto her, it automatically makes Jazmen’s question self-refuting. Her question being “why should I adhere to _your_ worldview Andrew?” And one of Andrew’s responses was “because, if I and a bunch of guys with guns decide to bust down your door and impose our worldview on you, you would just allow us to do it because you already explained that you would not do _anything to stop us_ from doing it.” Jazmen’s question is null and void because she already told Andrew that she thinks it’s okay for Andrew to do whatever the f^^k he wants to do and will _do nothing_ to stop him. 1:18:25 Yet, again Jazmen says “good luck.” Meaning, “I’m not going to do anything to stop you.”

[@jussaysomethin8923]

I honestly don't understand how people show up to a debate without researching their opponents' position. Andrew has debated this topic numerous times. No one that I've seen yet has answered where rights come from, if not from the enforcement of men. These people don't understand that he's making a grounded and logical argument backed by history. That argument needs to be overcome before any further argument can be made in her favor. Without men, how do you enforce your "rights?" Why is your position better, even tho our empirical data shows the opposite of your worldview is better for society? ... Regardless of any religious grounding.

[@fatemad4012]

The guy is dumber without rights you can't build civilizations you should live in jungles like animals

[@HachikoBeats]

Exactly. These people just get on here with him and poop turds out of their brain. Like what the hell does anything she said relate to Andrews point? This broad cannot possibly be a lawyer.