Legendary Engines: The Mercedes / AMG M113 (And M113K) - The Versatile V8

[@ukwan]

Best engine Mercedes ever made bar none.

[@4ur1m4s]

M113k was the main reason ive bought e55amg ....happy as hell ...torque and subtle roar is fantastic

[@Leo555ZZZ]

CLK55 AMG ,,,reliable , easy to maintain ,,and so smooth when revving at high rpm.. a great GT cruiser especially when the auto transmission has been well maintained .

[@mtxmotors2263]

Not to mention the M113K's tremendous tuning potential, you can do a whole series on the alone!

[@rlscustoms]

MTX MOTORS absolutely yes they’re an integral part of our business

[@rileys8741]

This engine is a little sweetheart in my C55.

[@zacherygrimm547]

The M113K in my e55 amg wagon is just insane. It feels like thor's hammer compared to any other v8 I have ever experienced.

[@schoumv6]

LS3?

[@Markdaamannn]

@@schoumv6 nah bro prefer German V8s 💪🏼

[@donkmeister]

@@schoumv6 If you want to see why the M113K and the LS3 are very different experiences, look up the their respective torque curves 😀 The LS3 has the same shape of curve of most N/A engines, where it builds, and builds, and builds, then tapers off and falls to the red line. The M113K creates so much torque at very low revs that there is no smooth curve, it's like a step function shortly after idle, that then barely diminishes all the way to red-line. Result? The engine always feels potent, you rarely have those "ah, if only I'd been in the right gear" moments.

[@adogmcdizzle]

I have one too! 😎

[@m84nolimit12]

I feel the same when i drive e 55 amg 2004 Thors Hammer 👍👍👍

[@darind4920]

Yes! Thank you so much for this video. I bought a C55 about 6 months ago and there isn't enough content on the M113

[@scottbrooks3402]

I have the M113 in my W220 S55. They really are a peach of an engine, sound incredible with exhaust mods. I've got secondary cats, resonator and muffler deletes, and it really is an incredible sound. Powerful, fairly economical when not booting it (7mpg when hammering it) and dont rev silly high which is one of the reasons it lasts and is reliable I believe.

[@MrKlo-so8tj]

Best v8 engine ever built. The engineers definitely took their time with this one. My e500 is at 180k miles but runs as though it were brand new

[@bearsgarage272]

I have a CLK with the 4.3. Its fun, good on gas for a v8 and very reliable. Pushing past 230k miles with nothing but basic maintenance.

[@techfrog1]

I had a 2006 C55. It had one BIG problem. I wouldn't keep rubber on the rear tires.

[@mattmatt9971]

hahaha

[@kamaukinyanjui8739]

M113 is my favorite engine n/a it's just the one

[@rikardokwiatkowski7998]

Yes I have S55 AMG m113 n/a good strong 💪 engine and is fast car 530nmm torque 👌🔥🔥🔥

[@gordon5533]

M113 for ever 🖤🤘🏽

[@rowanbelindawilson8888]

Yes. A fantastic engine! Just imagine it with a 7 speed DSG box, to release all of its potential. Love my C55, and unbelievable value for such fine German engineering

[@alansoler2653]

Love that M113K!!

[@primahari3133]

2001 ml55 amg here and i have 260k original miles. still running great.. going to run it to the ground

[@MrCarGuy]

One of the most reliable V8 engines ever made in NA form: If you actually change the oil on time and don't ruin the hydraulic lifters.

[@popuptoaster]

mines got 240,000 miles on it, had a cam chain and service items but nothing other than that.

[@medraut9]

The M113, while in reality probably was developed with some cost-cutting in mind (compared to the M119) ended up being a surprisingly fine engine family with excellent reliability and good power. Arguably the last "great" Mercedes V8 if you take reliability into account. The M156, while a nice, big-power motor, has FAR too many reliability issues to be considered as great overall. Go watch Legit Street Cars video covering the reliability issues, a former Mercedes master mechanic talking about the snapping head bolts (later fixed), worn lifters (kinda fixed on some versions) and failing cam variators (never really fixed). M113 all day long.

[@no-damn-alias]

Btw the way. The same engineer later went on to build the Porsche V10 .

[@sfliberal]

Your view of the M113 family echoes my own. Not only do they produce good power, regardless of displacement, but they are very, very solid and reliable. This includes the M113K version. I've looked at several S430's and S500's with over 300,000 miles on them. Without exception, the engines and 5-speed transmissions have remained in good, solid shape. I was really amazed. I've seen M113K engines with over 200,000 miles on them, and they're in good shape as well. The M112 V6 version of this engine is just as reliable. I regularly see them with over 250,000 miles and still going strong. Where I have one difference with your presentation is the 5-speed transmission and the M113K engine used in the AMG cars, at least in the S-class. The S55 AMG actually uses a strengthened version of the 5-speed transmission. That version can easily handle the M113K's torque, as it was originally designed for the Maybach 57s's 738 lb-ft (1000 N-m) and was also used on the S600 twin-turbo and S65 AMG. Other than that point, I'd say your presentation was pretty spot-on.

[@theovannieuwenhuizen5756]

To my understanding the CLK 55 also had the 12 cylinder 600's transmission with added AMG speed shift.

[@phil955i]

I actually sought out a CLS with the M113 engine because of it's reputation as being a bulletproof V8. The later M273 5.5 V8 gives an extra 80 bhp but has timing chain issues.

[@vincentsolito8234]

and less torque

[@mercedes-benz.thebest.5350]

@@vincentsolito8234 No, M273 has 530 Nm, M113 has 460.

[@swedishtruther3166]

My E55 SW 2001 has 530NM

[@Strontium_Dog_72]

Got the m113k in my CLS55 AMG, makes it a jekyll and hyde car for sure. The torque is sublime. What better cars can you get for the price.

[@donkmeister]

So glad you mentioned the M155! The camshafts will actually fit into the M113 but it's not a straight swap; not many people have done it but it is a real badge of honour in the M113 tuning community! There was an aftermarket supercharger kit available from Kleemann that boosted the N/A 5.0 to around 450bhp. So there are some E500s pushing around with a supercharger and the 7-speed, but obviously that's not standard. I've had an E500 with the 7-speed for years; I'd struggle to replace it. It ticks so many boxes for me; it's quick off the mark when I need it to be, it's anonymous, it's comfy, it's economical for a V8. I can put the suspension in Sport2 and it handles well enough for fast country lanes, and in Comfort it will waft down motorways getting 30-31mpg. I've driven it at 150mph and it didn't break a sweat, at the other end of the spectrum I once did an economy drive out of curiosity and got nearly 39mpg by turning off the climate and cruising without CC at 55mph... Wouldn't want to do it all the time but you'd get just under 700 miles out of a tank! Sure, single figures if you hoon hard but you can get single figures in anything if you want.

[@diablocls55]

My E500 had the 5 speed and RWD. I would’ve loved to supercharge it as it was completely bulletproof but I had other projects at the time

[@mrlcazzlb]

M113 over M156. Fun and reliability don't usually come together very often!

[@lindman399]

Educating me every day my friend, thank you

[@foxdragon88]

I have a M113 engine and it's the best engine I've ever driven. I have a m113k, very fun but I prefer the plan M113

[@petersimpson8386]

This engine in an SLK is nuts. It's the most fun u can ever have,so much grunt !!!!!!

[@supraJZA80s]

This series on engines is awesome, keep doing it !

[@CarsIn4K]

My w203 c55 ! Love the sounds and feel of the m113!

[@raw-amg4396]

A great engine simple but very effective. I mated my m113 to a manual gearbox

[@ryanmeredith152]

Ooooo do tell

[@saulius1984]

What gear box? Whwt car??

[@mattdedasc]

I had the M113K in my G55 AMG. Amazing engine - at 8mpg one had to really love it - but the gearbox was dreadful. At least it was indestructible.

[@TraxxofAOT]

I had a M113K in my E 55, and now I have just the regular M113 in my SLK55 and with the resonators and 2nd cats taken off, it sounds sooooo good

[@WatchoutNSG]

u go from m113k to 550 tool

[@DouEditz]

@@WatchoutNSG m113 AMG is not 550 read a little

[@WatchoutNSG]

@@DouEditz he goes from 480hp 520 torque to 350hp 370 torque, that's a tool move 🤷‍♀️

[@DouEditz]

​@@WatchoutNSG First of all M113 has 367 Hp and 376 lb-ft..... Second... How you gonna call someone else a tool when you live with your dad and blow up the car he put a down payment on...TOOL?? Look at your videos..what kind of 22 year old sits in front of the camera and rips off private information...lol

[@WatchoutNSG]

@@DouEditz was for college, thats the crap they make you do, also i paid for the car 12k I trade stock options, im happy you watched my amazing video, ya going from a high performance engine to the shittier one is whack, keep fuming bud your prob like 50 getting all mad in the comments

[@savostanivukovic9801]

I absolutely agree, I own few of these early AMG cars and they are great.

[@silverc4s146]

C43AMG. WONDERFUL CAR, way ahead of its time. A thrill to drive today.

[@frank09busa]

my 2001 ML430 with 73k miles drives like butter and surprisingly fast.

[@Maggie-q1u]

Thanks for that. Very in f ormative. Love my C55, mainly because of the engine.

[@johnwallace7104]

I have an 06 Clk55 and I am in love with the way it drives and handles. Sadly no supercharger but as small as it is, it’s just right.

[@kombinezon]

Mercedes been putting excellent m112/m113 engines into cars that would rot away if you'd use them in any weather but dry. Just like leafs, they change color to brown for the winter. The engine would last longer than the rest of a car. Next generations had galvanized body panels, but we all know how much of a disaster M156 can be. So the question is: "Is SLK55 the most reliable car the world?"

[@326piotrekify]

It's basically a European LS. From a 4.3 "smallblock", to a 5.4 Supercharged. And dirt cheap. Lovely.

[@DEEuroworks]

M113K/M275 great video.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

You can't beat the sound of a V8. I'm lucky enough to own a V8 Jaguar XK and when they're wound up the sound is addictive, just like this Merc....

[@ademc8872]

Had a lightly tuned M112K. Loved it to bits. Power delivery snd smoothness was unreal.

[@edim108]

I've seen a guy in Poland driving an M113 swapped Nissan Patrol on 38 inch tires and the sound it made was honestly orgasmic and it tore through terrain like through tissue paper!

[@mintsaturn]

I recently added a 2000 SL500 to my fleet and "silky smooth" is an apt description of the driving experience of the m113. I am head over heels with that car

[@pedroborda9040]

Whatever you do Jay, keep going. You've got an essence all your own, and you're content is always top notch. Jay for president!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thankyou Pedro

[@pummer]

Great video, I have the M113 AMG 5.4L in my 2000 W163 ML55 that I recently bought with only 50k miles.... full-time 4MATIC 4x4 body-on-frame SUV with hi/lo transfer case and sport suspension... not to mention 342bhp at 5750rpm and 400nm torque at 3000rpm... this thing goes 0 to 60 in 6.4 seconds, is great in all driving conditions, high speed, highway cruise or off-road... now I’m only saving up to do a stage 3 Kleemann turbo and tune to get it to 540 hp and 750nm ;)

[@Intechdude300]

Very reliable engines. Usually the M113 outlives whatever car it was put into. Hence why they are dirt cheap at salvage yards. MB diehards hate it but IMO it’s an one hell of an underdog

[@Jralder]

Fave engine from merc in my opinion : - m113k - m156 - m157 - m133

[@Manuqtix.Manuqtix]

No the m157 sucks it’s direct injection it’s bad, you know how horrible direct injection engines are? The m113 is ok but It requires 16 spark plugs not just 8 I don’t know why Mercedes didn’t just stick with the m119 that’s a much better engine

[@usandutz]

This technical series of videos are some of your best! Love them!

[@bunter6]

Had a Turquoise 1999 C43 AMG with the white on black Designo leather, was a great car and although not as quick it was a much more relaxing car to drive than my B6 S4. should have kept it, they are going ballistic in price.

[@mynameisnobody211]

Yes I love my E55 113k, it’s a luxurious fun car. Mine has 630 injectors Long tube headers LSD Forced Induction -Interchiller 83mm belt pulley an Intake kit a better TCU for faster shifting….plus much more. And I must say, it’s very enjoyable to drive.

[@simonvancoevorden295]

Your channel is fantastic! Can’t believe you haven’t got 10 times the subscribers !

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

The M113K and mighty Bi-Turbo V12 are the Mercedes engines I covet. SL55 AMG and E55 AMG wagon would be my favourite M113 cars.

[@raw-amg4396]

The m113 in my track car has been brilliant

[@beco4ever]

Amazing engine,unforgettable sound!💓🤩

[@Jamesgarethmorgan]

Excellent thanks. I've got a CL500 standard 5L V8 and it's wonderful and I've been tempted to upgrade to the CL55 with the supercharged engine but then as you say the gearbox in mine is already not exactly happy so imagine another 200bhp and I hear you when you say not such a great idea. Keep these vids coming.

[@drkdvn]

Great video and info! I have a e500 with the 7spd transmission and it actually is pretty nice but I’m also coming from a C36 with a vacuum shift 4spd which is pretty old school now. The m113k vehicles with a modern gearbox would be absolute monsters

[@shaikymandel7593]

I’m about to buy the Mercedes CLS55 AMG so thanks for making this video.

[@saymyname218]

"Got one, It's awesome, and more reliable than the 63! ( And just as fast because it has more torque)

[@BobBenz55]

Awesome video, just got a SL500 R129 with the M113 engine and fixing up my C43 w202 👍

[@samschifferes]

Enjoying all the latest videos, glad to see your channel growing. Been subscribed since about 10k. We seem to share similar taste in cars. Keep up the good work!

[@arrangrant6037]

I wouldn’t recommend a Mercedes with a manual gearbox had a c class with one it was like something out of a tractor 🚜 their auto boxes are some of the best in the business

[@blademansw]

I've got a manual in my s204 c220. Hateful it is. Then again stack that up against a Peugeot pudding stirrer and you will think it's wonderful lol

[@phil955i]

I agree, I've owned many cars with auto gearboxes & Mercedes do make the best

[@bazilgururozhkov]

Like this review, thank you

[@millichips1]

I'm enjoying your video series of the legendary engines, thanks for posting. I have a CLK 280 - 3L V6, I love how smooth the engine is and once you put your foot down the grunt sound makes me smile. The 7-speed gearbox is ok for cruising but a tad lazy if you want to get a move on. I have driven a CLK 500 and the delivery was smooth but much more of a rush. I’m considering a V8 for my next car.

[@ThrottleBody]

I love this series. Keep up the awesome work

[@HG504X]

Classic AMG V8s from that era. Shame the new C63 is going to become a 4 cylinder hybrid.

[@Leonardo555ZZZZ]

How did that work out ?

[@mikebeardy5590]

"Most unique!" Shirt was a bit mild too. Standards JayEmm, Standards!

[@Mr.Affalterbach]

i Had an sl500 with the normal m113 engine. amazing car amazing engine but it wasn't though for me. So I picked up a new to me sl55 with an m113k and my gosh does this thing fly

[@JM-fv8un]

Unfortunately this glorious engine is suppressed with the stock exhaust set up. I removed the exhaust resonator and it made a huge difference and its much cheaper than other mods like headers or a new exhaust set up. Highly recommend doing this and great video - 05 CLK55 Coupe

[@revinot]

What was the difference it made? Sound, Economy?

[@mattmatt9971]

@@revinot wanna know too

[@Leo555ZZZ]

@@revinot It makes it louder under acceleration , high rpm , and cruising , but quieter at idle and gentle throttle.

[@felawes]

With a CL500, the M113 is a beautifully smooth and powerful V8. A joy to drive.

[@CarToneHK]

This certainly has its charms and muscle car feel, but the M156 after it is just so manic and additive that it seems even more exciting. Do miss not having a supercharger though

[@keeponcruisin7876]

I'm trading my bike for an 04 clk500. Drooling over that w202 c43 you showed. Had a C280 with an M104 in it. Which was STILL a great engine.

[@kevinbarry71]

A very good engine. Reliable durable and versatile. So naturally it had to go. 6.2, head bolts? Who needs head bolts?

[@richiesorge5099]

M113 and M112 were the last reliable engines MB produced.

[@brunobegic3841]

the m156 was pretty bulletproof as well after it got new head bolts in 2010

[@vincentsolito8234]

awesome vid however the c55 actually made about 30 more hp than the timebomb in the m3, in addition to more torqure

[@lanmastersassistant659]

this is my favourite sounding v8 or at least the only one i know about

[@CarSauce]

Hey mate, just found your channel - love your down to earth approach. Subscribed, and when I come to the UK I'd love to have a beer 🍻

[@kawoutster]

I’m in the search of a ML500… have read that the M113 with 306 bhp is better than the M273 5.5l with 388 bhp. Apparently the M273 has some crank issues? Any advice on the car i’m looking for?

[@Alps6408]

The reliability of my CLK 55 has been interesting I won’t lie. Rocker cover leaks are common which do affect the idle slightly and of course valve stem seals needing to be replaced! Puffs of smoke coming out the exhaust when under WOT can be terrifying! Aside that, the car seems fine and the 5 speed box is smooth and the engine is quiet when cruising! 23-24mpg can be achieved, even in Cornwall! But for comedy I have seen 3.4mpg when a sports bike met my rear lights.

[@devanrogers3133]

What milage did you experience these problems at? I'm about to get a 2002 CLK 55 AMG with only 49k miles.

[@Leo555ZZZ]

@@devanrogers3133 These problems are rare if the oil is changed every 5000 miles or so...except valve cover gaskets need replacing every 15 years.

[@rollotomassi8251]

Great series you got here. Keep it up The Swede

[@maximedupuis9805]

I really enjoy mine in my C43!

[@peterboyce6643]

I love my 113K E 55 MY 2006 The last of the best ever made in my opinion it delivers maximum Adrenalin

[@berner]

How about the motor mounts? I have an M112 V6 for my 2002 C320 and I want to upgrade to the M113 E55 engine. Will they line up?

[@ericgiddio1259]

The M113 in my S430 is like a sleeping lion. The growl it makes when she gets up and going is exhilarating.

[@BoxImpala313]

Is the 430 still a m113?

[@MacarthurfitnessequipmentAu]

@@BoxImpala313 most definitely.

[@ts6070]

Simple Mercedes V8 brute awesomeness

[@iversonogilla]

I have a W211 M112 engine and since there are importation restrictions in my country of cars from 2012 and below, its near impossible to import the w211 E500, E55 & E63...would really like to know if its possible changing the engine in my car from the M112 engine to the M113 engine and what other components or things will I have to change in the car

[@miklu26]

SLK with V8 is nuts. Now u would get v4 😁😟

[@sportzntouring]

Detailed, well researched and enlightening as always!

[@yevgeniyshawyer2767]

M113k the best

[@rv9990]

The Merc 500E. 🥰 love those things. Just so damn expensive. Think the W203 C55 or W202 C43 is the cheapest way to experience something close to that thing.

[@raycroal]

clk430 coupe is the cheapest way in

[@Ghousempc]

I have the c43, not cheapest cause its price is increasing and it’s hard to find.

[@bernardwarr4187]

Cool car, 500E 😉

[@granvillebarraclough8846]

My favourite is the c180 Kompressor.

[@timorgano]

I love the SLR, personally. They sound incredible and look even better. Just let down by having that 5-speed gearbox. Compounded with the McLaren edition SLR as that got the bodystyling the SLR should've had, but still got a 5-speed auto.

[@encinobalboa]

I wanted a 6.2L but there were too many problems with variable timing. I wanted a M113K until I saw a KZbinr who had found a rubber gasket in the oil pump that went bad in two engines he took apart. Bad gasket means loss of oil pressure. To replace what must be a $2 gasket appears to be an engine out job. Settled on a 4.3L which despite being the smallest, is more than capable.

[@Leonardo555ZZZZ]

Those engines had had a tough life,,probably got hot , which harmed the gaskets. Most of these engines are now nearly twenty years old and are still running fine.

[@matek1ivan]

M113 need to have 7-g tronic! 5-g is not acceptable. Good video! Cheers!

[@miseryparty3726]

5:12 Jesus christ. That is intoxicating.

[@TheShinyShow]

Did you not sell that thing?

[@okeyezeilo6187]

The M113k engine in my '06 E55...

[@julesviolin]

The later M156 engine had head bolt issues. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the transmission in the SL55 AMG unless you drive like a complete nutter. Anyone demanding more of it should be sticking to a racetrack!!

[@rayjones3473]

I love this engine. I'm thinking of doing a 190e with this engine, but I'm using a zf8hp70 from. The new bmw 8speed transmission with a turbolamik tcm stand alone I think it will allow this engine to be what it's meant to be, especially if I can pick up an 113k engine for a good price

[@richardjennings8184]

I had a 1999 Mercedes E240 with the M113 engine. I agree this engine is superb far quieter and trouble free because of its single camshaft

[@DjAlyX1]

M112

[@Guitfiddlejase]

I really hate to be "that guy" ..and I am not looking to offend anyone in the comments here.. ..but a "Merc" is a Mercury.. ..always has been. A Mercedes is a "Benz". Always has been. Thank you for your time and may The Lord bless you and keep you. P.S Liked. Subscribed.

[@2003AudiS3]

No, for 99% of people a Merc is Mercedes. Maybe decades ago it could be throught as Mercury but not today and not for a while

[@maisondav1d]

Which is the best m113k car?