Legendary Lords Defeat Traits Tierlist

[@fatelvis1473]

"Pounding down on The Fay Enchantress with all of your lords can be really useful" - LegendofTotalWar 2021

[@Grivehn]

Makes sense why that gives replenishment, isn't it?

[@Temmoie]

*Isabella sweats*

[@MrKeKeKe92]

Well it has been his motto since 2019

[@vigil2150]

Feet fetishists' be sweating

[@SaURoN-lh1dl]

Morathi approves !

[@vombatti888]

Vlad's defeat trait is very useful if you are playing as...Vlad. Purposefully reducing enemy faction leaders respawn time allows for easy harvesting of blood kisses.

[@nicovelardita8619]

Interesting, but that applies to other VCounts too, probably a better idea than using this strategy while playing Vlad

[@vahlen5281]

@@nicovelardita8619 Not really, since only Vlad's trait reduces wound time and allows you to farm them as fast as possible.

[@nicovelardita8619]

@@vahlen5281 I mean, while playing Mannfred or Kemmler, letting other leaders defeat Vlad and then you come in to farm them

[@vahlen5281]

@@nicovelardita8619 Ah, I see. But it is definitely harder to do it with another VC, since Vlad's faction tends to get wiped out rather easily, especially after losing his starting army. Better to utilize it while playing Vlad imo.

[@twiceasfun9392]

That still sounds like more of a pain than just going around wounding dudes with your heroes, that you'll definitely have more of than you could ever need

[@Veltsted]

01:02 High Elves 05:19 Lizardmen 10:40 Dark Elves 16:15 Skaven 22:16 Vampire Coast 26:20 Tomb Kings 31:00 Empire 34:40 Dwarfes 39:45 Greenskins 44:15 Vampire Counts 49:00 Norsca 50:27 Bretonnia 54:42 Wood Elves 57:29 Beastmen 59:43 Chaos 1:01:56 Gotrek

[@Kidcloudkicker]

What a Chad thank you my good man.

[@SendThemRunning]

cheers boss man

[@jackcall28]

Thank you

[@christhovhannisyan2074]

Hey king you dropped this 👑

[@jasonvorhes765]

What a God.

[@SereglothIV]

Mazdamundi, the oldest and most powerful being in the Warhammer world (well, out of those still alive). Archaon, the ultimate doom of the mortal realms. Both give useless traits to the ones who defeat them.

[@bificommander7472]

Plot twist: They only got that old or that threatening because their defeat traits are so shit that no one bothers to kill them.

[@Grivehn]

So does Karl, with the Warhammer, the namesake of the entire franchise.

[@RDA000]

Wouldnt Kholeks dad be more powerful?

[@SuperThest]

There are plenty of things older than Mazdamundi. Dragon ogres, dragons, and tree spirits were around before Slann even existed and some of them are about as old as their entire species. Durthu is definitely older and Kholek is likely older too.

[@ragefacememeaholic5366]

@@Grivehn Karl uses a warhammer because that is a religious weapon used by Sigmar. You know, the guy this version of warhammer fantasy is named after.

[@sufficitiv5977]

So happy there are still ideas for Legend's tierlists. They are so enjoyable

[@grae_n]

Rites tierlist please! There are so many. Some are basically required and some are worthless.

[@Shadow.24772]

also starting traits for generic lords and heroes. sure. traits like knowledgeable and diciplined are S tier, but what about the others? straight trash? what about faction based starting traits? there are plenty of ideas for more videos. sadly, he'll have to remake them all 6 months to a year after WR3 is out...or lucky?

[@denistannenberg]

Lizardmen dominating S tier but also having a lord in every single tier sums them up pretty well I think

[@Coerciveutopian]

The nice thing with Thorgrim's trait is having the -10% construction on your attacking lords because you often have to build things as soon as you capture cities.

[@toko099o]

I always thought that taking out Archaon should give a massive anti-chaos boost, like a faction wide 1 untainted/faction corruption. He's the big bad of the whole endtimes and there is no reason to go after him unless you are trying to end the invasion.

[@Achillez098]

Fay Enchantress: (sobbing uncontrollably) Lawyer: "Settle down, settle down. Now tell me, which lord bullied you?" Fay Enchantress: "ALL OF THEM!" (cries even more) Lawyer: "Looks like I have to give Legend of Total War a call..."

[@randomaccessfemale]

Isabella: 'You just have to deal with it.'

[@Lockerus]

Legend really living up to his name with this tier list.

[@syltis1994]

yes this is about Total War

[@viktorbasara2368]

He is a god

[@Lockerus]

I'm saying he's actually a legend, you peanut.

[@UndeadMongoose301]

Helman Ghorst's trait deserves an honourary Z tier because his poison effect can potentially override WAY more useful contact effects like Morghur or Oxyotl's special poisons.

[@jonathaneastman3d]

😳

[@NotNewButYork]

Ghorst. Truly the most toxic character. BUT: "Hello, my name is Balthasar Gelt. When I cast Searing Doom for the exorbitant price of 1 manapoint, it is now also a melee debuff and slows the enemy. I AM SUPREME! Also, recruit more knowledgeable wizard heroes!" I just loaded up a file with Gelt to verify this and it still works. Have no file with other wizard lords that have the trait at hand to check if they profit too though. It only seems to work on bombardment spells like Searing Doom, not on direct damage (Final Transmutation) or Vortexes (Gehenna's Golden Hounds).

[@calebbarnhouse496]

Poison is a great a trait to have, just because it can have less upside doesn't make it worse then useless effects

[@calebbarnhouse496]

@@XmictianX except it only does so in extremely specific circumstances, where otherwise your essentially getting 15% ward save for being in melee with an enemy, it merely gives less upside in very rare scenarios, but his poison is still upside, just less then a better poison

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@NotNewButYork Wait spells apply poison if the lord is poisonous?

[@hannibal5158]

I love how the card corners connect with each other

[@SereglothIV]

So I wasn't the only one to notice!

[@Grivehn]

@@SereglothIV Nope, you weren't! :D

[@zachrobertson684]

Looks like MK

[@Scorpion122178]

Oh man Morathi not in S. idk maybe its just my play style but I spam the crap out of agents on legendary and spam their actions skills just to level them up at a consistent rate. Once I get immortality I can use them as a front line defense force. Keep 19 of them close to a settlement on the front line, if an enemy comes close I can recruit a lord and pile all 19 of them to make a really powerful army for single turn defense. I'll also park them in there just for the extra public order/corruption/growth/income boost So with all that in mind Morathi is one of the few people I go out of my way to farm because eventually you can get 100% reduced cost and get free agent actions. Meaning that your heroes can basically get to level 40 free while disadvantaging the enemy. Block Movement is incredibly underrated its the single best action skill in the game imo. Chaos invasions on legendary would be so much harder if I didn't have 20 agents spamming "block army" on all the Chaos stacks splitting their army into a conga line that's manageable.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Apparently, recently Arch-Lectors could get a +effectiveness trait for their Witch Hunters and Warrior priests. At LEVEL 2. And yes it stacks. 1: Start as Karl 2: Get a new Arch Lector every time you need a disposable lord 3: Always succeed in assassinations and snares and wallbreaking and- Etc.

[@carter342000]

Still think it’s hilarious that it’s basically essential for Imrik to stalk on his dragon. Isn’t Minaithnir meant to be one of the biggest dragons as well?

[@BM-wf9uf]

Not sure about biggest. Don't remember reading anything about his size. He's definitely the strongest and wisest of the dragons though.

[@kcneedles261]

I hope Legend goes back and finishes his Legendary Lord power comparison series

[@imakevideosandstuff1]

I think he's said on streams that they don't do well enough for the work required to produce them. Especially compared to these tier list videos, which are even more informative and take no editing.

[@Aiphiae]

Trait limit needs to be removed.

[@botep5529]

I would like to see this trait updated for wh3 with all the new lords, and they changed a few

[@alirezarezaei2976]

One of the things that i do in order to gain blood kiss as vampires is to send vlad alone to fight small skaven clan faction leader in zufbar province and immediately withdraw him from the battlefield to give him the trait and from then after he will spawn every turn and kill him every turn so i can farm blood kisses by defeating that single lord it is very useful

[@gavinbenes9172]

bruh wtf lmao

[@randomaccessfemale]

Good idea. Need to try that next time.

[@zharkabat]

The "+x magic winds reserve" should change to" -x magic wind reserve for your enemy" when you play as the dwarves

[@airraid1266]

Id rather dwarves get an army-wide minor magic resist boost than suck out even MORE WoM tbh...

[@renedegames7219]

Bonus to leadership in sea battles? of course it gets C tier.

[@grantalbury3710]

How is Hellebron's trait above Malekith? Frenzy unless your lord already has it, gives way better combat buffs

[@IneligibleOne]

I'm wondering the same thing. Frenzy is 10 MA and 10% weapon strength. Unless your Lord is being brutalized they should always be above half leadership too.

[@tacul9333]

Deathmaster Snikch's stalk trait is very useful on Grom the Paunch. Giving Grom stalk allows him to get on the enemy's flank and rear and take out artillery units.

[@ΘανάσηςΑθανασόπουλος-σ4θ]

I find Malekiths trait very useful to the vamp counts, i spend a lot of time raiding and definitely can benefit from frenzy on ur vamp lords

[@inerevaraskedforthis]

My Norsca campaign finally makes sense. The reason Bretonia is always up in my shit is that they want to establish a base to farm Sigvald.

[@saltefan5925]

I would personally shift Mannfred down to D tier. There are so many ways to mitigate attrition, and by the time you're fighting Vampire Counts, they're dead in less than 20 turns anyway because of how weak their defenses are.

[@Moritz19081980]

I don't play on "legendary". But when I play and go for a one-man-army, I always try to get Isabella's trait and avoid fighting/winning against Mannfred at all costs. It's basically useless and just takes a trait spot.

[@saltefan5925]

@@Moritz19081980 It is useless for one-man stacks, it's useless for vampires (I regularly recruit a throwaway lord just to soak up the trait for beating down Mannfred when playing Vlad/Isabella), and it's negligible at best when playing other factions because the counts can't defend themselves even on legendary (and you can just raid, encamp or go from settlement to settlement most of the time)

[@jackjohnson6044]

I would be intrested a Top ten for the most usefull animations. Like Taurox dive attack or tomb scorpions. Not a cosmetic point of view, but a practical one.

[@TheGreatMaChao]

good idea

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Honestly, for all it gets riffed on, the Dread Saurian does have one top marks animation. It's the one that just pushes forewards. Ironically this animation also causes problems, but, in a vacuum it's handy. That animation is the one saving grace of the Dread Saurian. You can never quite pin it down, and there's nothing you can actually do to truly prevent it from punching through the front line. The downside, of course, is that this animation is part of the reason the Dread Saurian is so unreliable at dealing with any single target. Nakai's happy skip is also fantastic, and is at least one of the best charges in the game. The average Saurus Warrior has kind of a unique one where they parry, looks like they swipe with their tail, then double back. Thing is, the animation ends before they're quite back in position, meaning they tag out for the second line of Saurus behind them. This is a small contribution to how Saurus are so damn effective at infantry grind, they start losing models later, since the first two rows at any given time are occasionally swapping out. And of course the Slann. They aren't really meant for combat, but the huge splashes of telekinetic force they bring down have some crazy range and splash targets, and a Slann can absolutely carve through bottom tier units as a result. Finally, the Temple Guard, a unit with such good animations it kinda cheats. The Temple Guard's trick is a simple one. Most halberd units in this game have atrocious animations, but the Temple Guard is only a halberd unit by stats. By animations, it's just your average Saurus, albeit one that just whacks away with its anti-large, armor piercing weapon.

[@alkabek9581]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 you must play a lot of lizardmen

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@alkabek9581 Yuuup. They're my "Just play another Karl Franz" standard.

[@jeagerjeager9171]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 same lmao

[@PedroRodrigues-je6xp]

Glad to see these tier lists haven't stopped :)

[@Kilen_BE]

Very useful list, good to have them all registered on the same video 👍

[@Zayl1016]

Vlad's charcter trait is also nice for Ungrim who can get a wound reduction as one of his skills. Which is nice cause thematically and for fun you should be sending him into suicidal gambits.

[@goodgame93]

Would be really nice if Legend could include the trait tooltip from the game when he is talking about a trait!

[@flo5851]

Love it! nice work bro. Me and me friend went from easy/normal difficulty players to Very hard/legendary thanks to you. You are a great teacher.

[@ungabunga345]

I've watched every one of these tier lists 10 times each at least. They are like crack to me.

[@treeorwh2]

Petition to make stalk attribute a skill toggle…

[@indrickboreale7381]

It would be B tier then, useful for some lords

[@КостяУшаков-е1ы]

Hey Legend, it will be pretty interesting to see your tierlist of weapons/equipment for lords!

[@vojislavjovanovic6596]

Highly disagree with Vlad's defeat trait. Having ability to kill your lord and instantly being able to get him on the opposite side of the map the next turn is extremely useful in my opinion. Let's say you finished conquering norsca lands and now you would have to walk like 10 turns to get to your other front let's say fighting orcs or skaven somewhere in border princes lands. Saves so much time

[@tomselleck6912]

Tyrion trait is useful for all because it also boosts autoresolve and it makes archers lose less balance of power as they lose ammo since their base melee stats are taken into account.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Starting in the (northern) Old World, you can and should lock down Isabella and the Fay Enchantress both. It's worth the minor settlements to give _all your lords_ Regeneration and Casualty Replenishment.

[@Harbringer231]

Finishing up my Tomb Kings domination campaign in prep for IE. The Khalida defeat trait actually greatly helped by making the vampire tide super friendly w/ me lol.

[@hankcyrus9776]

Malekiths trait also gives you frenzy, which makes it way better than you give it credit for.

[@spyke403]

i love how the community pretty much agrees that the only good thing about nakai is his defeat trait. its a shame hes still my fav LL but thats no biggie

[@AshenVictor]

I think you've underrated Frenzy from Malekith, +10 Melee Attack and +10% Weapon Strength (both base and AP) is one of the best upgrades you can give a melee lord who doesn't already have it. Most lords are going to spend most of their time above 50% LD so it's going to stay active pretty much all the time. It's at least an A tier trait for that alone. It's a bigger upgrade than you'll get from Hellebron or Malus that you've placed above it.

[@ruukinen]

The problem is it comes in the form of an ability. Any lord that already has that ability doesn't gain anything. Any lord that spends a significant amount of time under 50% LD also doesn't benefit much. There are also some spells/abilites that gives a unit/units frenzy for a duration. Conditional bonuses are hard to compare to bonuses that always apply.

[@AshenVictor]

​@@ruukinen There aren't a lot of lords who naturally get Frenzy though, and most lords are not going to be under 50% leadership unless something has gone badly wrong to the point you're probably keeping them out of melee anyway.

[@do0myk]

41:00 very important trait, you wanna get it, too bad for some reason the lord spawns at another part of the world from his starting position.

[@kirevkizrepnav572]

Fun fact about poison trait from Ghorst: It actually applies on some metal spells making it very good on Gelt and kinda useless on everyone else.

[@GuyTheSheep]

Oxyotyls defeat trait was such a let down. Lizardmen getting shafted is CA's inside jokes.

[@DesevPostMortem]

I think it's a good trait but only for some lords who are better on foot or large / without mounts and with armies having vanguard deployement armies or being fast. Nakai with skinks chameleon, Throgg with skin wolves (i guess?), Kholek jumping on the empire arty or the midgets beard things, Malus on foot with cold ones for a themed army, etc There's room for it, but not for every one.

[@SWtaervdesn]

I liked when Darkblade and Direfin had maluses to their defeat traits. A mere -5 armour and +5% miscast chance respectively had character to them and gave some semblance of trade-off for the lord defeating those Legendary Lords.

[@haroldvollmar7296]

Thank you for taking the time to put this list together it is greatly appreciated

[@KingofGeo]

Stealth from Snikch is so awesome for a caster the only thing better than missile resistance is not getting seen at all.

[@emorigio]

I desperately need new list for TW3!

[@gHGhej]

I feel like he has got Fear and Terror confused in this video, he seems to think it goes Terror then Fear but it is the otherway around.

[@lokenontherange]

Causing revolts is actually amazingly op against Norsca or the Orks. Watch as the Grimgor blob turns all into rebels in one turn :D

[@alemorikec]

Storm and Reef attrition immunity is useless for Wood Elves too. Researchable.

[@FJUNKDUMP]

Vlads trait is also good for the replace lord option if you want to move some lords around the map super fast

[@KingofGeo]

Markus trait makes shade stacks so much better for Dark elves I march over there and open up a single city to recruit lords from and farm the crap out of it... I set up another city to farm Thorgrim so when I run out of ammo I can still do AP damage. I also put stealth from Snikch on the lord too because when the whole army stalks and the lord stalks the AI gets really derpy and stalking flying casters are the best. If I need someone discoverable I can put a Master in the stack but usually disciplined assassins with tormentor blades do the trick ( send them in the enemy blobs up I start shooting, I activate the tormentor blade so the enemy can't move then I run away and hide again and rinse repeat)

[@DIEGhostfish]

The flat weapon damage lord buffs are hilarious on the OVN Lost faction lord that's a whole cavalry unit.

[@pablopablo3834]

Tomb Kings and Pirate Coast are usually dead unless I play as them or are right next to them. I barely ever get to fight them and for a lot of Factions if Tomb Kings are alive they usually have good relations so you can easily trade/ally with them

[@TheGHOST191909]

16:21 Bonus-vernus vs infamous Heinrich Klempner. I love Legend's mispronunciations, they're so funny.

[@marceloangelo4182]

great tier list, a good tier list would be about landmarks

[@michaelsw2468]

hey, I happened to be watching this while playing a beastmen campaign. One of the options when you take a settelment is to sack then raze, so I think you can get the bonus from Aranessa's trait

[@elmanhux]

this list makes the most sense for nakai! his faction being so far below every single other one he actually "respawns" at the top of the list since it can't be measured otherwise xD

[@Zayl1016]

I was thinking Khalida's would be higher considering how meta ranged units become on Legendary difficulty. I feel like you would want them to get to rank 7 ASAP for the red tree rank 7 bonus which usually gives good bonuses for them.

[@jacobgebhart7550]

Finally the list I've really been waiting for. Time to watch with glee Alberic get put on the bottom.

[@NightCheese89]

I like Gelt's trait. It's basically 120 armor across 20 units. But of course armor is worth less at lower amounts

[@Macfierce1]

I will be coming back to this one quite often i think.

[@maryrosetran5109]

I don't cheese(abuse ai flaw) so stalk is one of the most important lord trait for me. It's an SS tier for my playstyle. You don't have to worry about your caster lord and your warrior lord can easily get into position. What's not to love?

[@sim.frischh9781]

Great video, very informative, basically, any trait of B or higher is something worth aiming for to get on your Lords. C and D are still potentially valuable, but more niché. Except Snitch.

[@JohnnyBuschi]

Before pressing play I already know it's going to be one of the best lists.

[@KingofGeo]

Vlad's trait allows you to teleport. all you need to do is Kill or disband your lord and then you can revive them anywhere else in your empire next turn. You can use it strategically to get all the other traits.

[@zoltanszabo4350]

THIS! However replacing lord is 5 turns and wound recovery time does not apply. So AFAIK you have to suicide Lords to teleport in 1 turn (with Vlad trait).

[@todhold2673]

Ooooo... This is a good one. I was wondering about this the other day.

[@Foodisgood]

Can you redo this list and include all the immortal empire lords?

[@spiffyracc]

This is probably the most useful one so far

[@gblongboarding]

This is so helpful been waiting for this list for so long thank you!

[@Sokaku5]

And Sigvald is the 69th LL. Just as Slaanesh intended.

[@martinlysy]

I wonder how stats would look like on one lord with all traits.

[@chrisspink8873]

That was My Taurox campaign essentially plus his own buffs, item buffs and mortis engine effect from banner. He could solo like 2 armies 😂😂 he had around 170 armour, 72 melee defence, 780 weapon strength and 3 types of regeneration 😂😂 god I loved that campaign.

[@twiceasfun9392]

Flashbacks to my Eshin campaign where Ungrim got Vlad's trait.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

VC the first to go extinct? That's news to me. Whenever I play Mortal Empires as a New World race, by the time I get to the other side of the pond, they tend to eat up all of the Empire, most of Bretonnia and the Dwarfs, and busy having border-skirmishes with Grimgor. I think the only reason they don't dominate that side of the map is because their expansion area is right in the way of the Chaos invasion route, and they get decimated and swallowed up after that.

[@benzinonr.1635]

Legend now we need same tier list but for their uniques items (and their battles as applicable) 🔝🔝🔝

[@Viryu9]

+damage traits do make a difference for low damage lords on altar mounts, they seem to benefit from it most. Hellebron and Gelt come to mind.

[@nicovelardita8619]

*Volkmar Also if your lord can go on an altar you probably shouldn't put him in one. Usually it just makes him a slower/bigger target

[@jhtiger1104]

Tehenhauin's trait has changed. Now he has -25% damage taken from all attrition (Lord's Army), instead of untainted +3

[@_gallowmere]

Good video Legend. Hope CA reworks some of the D rank traits. Between their state and the trait capacity taking a shit trait is really frustrating

[@EarlSoC]

At this point we're gonna need a wiki for all these different charts. Tons of wisdom here.

[@michaelseparovich]

Fuck yes. The most useful of all tier lists. Thanks legend... youre a legend.

[@haydensmith5352]

Researching this yesterday perfect timing

[@uroghai3439]

Discovered the cap on number of traits the other day and was very sad to be unable to get Isabella's trait on Kholek.

[@icewolf1811]

malagors trait is leadership +4 (lords army) and melee attack +10 against beastmen

[@tinimiteriteri762]

Can you consider making mount tier list. I'm really addicted to this stuff

[@Mortarius17]

Archaeon really should give you something OP to help close the game out or rebuild after you beat his final boss ass, especially since you can rarely if ever get him more than once. like maybe: - Untainted +2 factionwide - Immune to Psych (Whole Army) - Fire Resist 90% (Lord) - Immune to Chaos Attrition, Growth +10 Local province (to Reoccupy razed areas) - +10% ward save when fighting Warriors of Chaos (Whole Army) Any other suggestions? He'll probably get a rework with WH3 as the leader of Chaos Undivided.

[@sensino2543]

Really good vid with extremley important infos

[@Psilocybear]

You really are a legend for making this

[@seangough5228]

Do a most popular / powerful doomstack Tier list!

[@TheBulstrom]

If I know I'm going to have to fight Snikch I will usually replace my lord with a temporary one before I launch the attack.

[@Scorpion122178]

Throgg doesn't cause terror in base but he has a skill you can put a point into that will give him terror. I still wouldn't go out of my way to kill Franz with him. Most players are going to use a Mammoth Mount instead of Throgg anyway. Although i don't agree with Skarsnik. That trait is so good anyone can make great use of it because most people will end up fighting Skaven at some point in the campaign. I have not done a legendary run yet where either Mors, Skrye, Essine or Moulder did not have vast empires by the end game.

[@matthewfritz4629]

You can have up to 30 traits at any given time so you got a lot of room to play with.

[@JoshSweetvale]

Aranessa's trait is good for _Black Ark Admirals!_

[@swapertxking]

man i was clearing through woodelves until i got durthu's slay perk. seriously, i lost that damage because of how much damn fire res durthu somehow got.

[@otwk]

Another awesome list! Personally I'd put Tyrion one tier lower, as Tyrion is similar to Volkmar - he affects all units, but buffs them by a smaller amount (and does not buff MD at all, which is often the better stat to get) Also, I'll put both Hellebron and Queek under B tier with Malus and Grimgor, because they're all pretty similar traits Imo they're even bordering on C tier, exept maybe Grimgor

[@chinpanzee8540]

Everyone in S tier: *chuckles* I'm in danger

[@R17inator]

My poor lizard bois, getting most of the more useful defeat traits and the short end of every DLC they're in.

[@Nightmare_52]

i hate getting stalk on imrik so i am forced to use a separate lord to fight snickers, its like he keeps stabbing you when he is extinct just another thing to make the start of that campaign even harder

[@cheesus7672]

The best thing about Nakai is his defeat trait

[@Glo0ze]

great list, only its a bit weird to see hellebron ranked higher than malekith. since frenzy gives 10 MA vs hellebrons 5 and 10% weapon damage vs hellebrons flat +20 AP damage. it seems to me that malekith should at least be at the same tier as hellebron