What's the fastest 1969 tuner? SUPER MUSCLE CAR SHOOTOUT!

[@bunk-bn9eo]

The poncho is a monster - was there any doubt? Royal Pontiacs were the real deal with one of the smartest tuning packages out there. Combine that with the Ram Air 4 and you have a true gem.

[@bunk-bn9eo]

Those Royal Pontiacs are no joke.

[@larryw5429]

I could tell just by the sound of it that the GTO hadher going on. Sounded mean as hell!

[@rafaelallenblock]

One thing I love about these shootouts by year is checking out how the auto makers hopscotched each other with platform changes and body panel changes. Here in '69 it was the first year for the new, much larger Mustang design, though still on a ten year old Falcon platform, the GTO and Superbee in their second year showing how cutting-edge Pontiac's designers were, and finally the Camaro, Chevy's late entry on it's third and final year of generation 1 body design.

[@joelhatescops]

Just wanted to say cool, I followed you exactly, I was lucky enough to ride along with my brother in a rebuilt 69 scrambler. Just nice to watch.

[@wildbill5126]

Well I was watching "Dream Car Garage" back then but don't remember this episode, Thanks for letting us see it again. Miss seeing Tom & Peter going at it.

[@gmain1977]

The trailer for this was out in 2006 on KZbin and was due to be aired on December 6tth. But after 15 years of waiting I have seen it. Just wish it was on KZbin sooner

[@carcontrolschool]

It's good to "see" Tom again. Always had a good time with Tom. I remember teaching him Performance Driving at Shannonville back in the early '90s. He was always fun to be around. You are missed Tom.

[@danmyers9372]

He had such a quick wit!

[@tonypoore440]

Tom was great, definitely missed.

[@LEADitOUT]

Thank you guys for posting this. I've waited over a decade to see this shootout, and it did not disappoint.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Man! ... at 09:00 he's full second granny shifting that B-M Camaro... prolly to keep it out of the 11's !!!

[@juliuslofaro9257]

same here, I watched this video long time ago in an internet coffee and suddenly was ereased, I was in shock and I could never watch it again

[@nojunkwork5735]

Old Pete's style working the clutch looks like he is foot-stomping at some hootenanny, or trying to kill roaches.

[@harmonicliving3507]

Lol

[@d.e.b.b5788]

Back in the late 60's, my neighbor bought a 'Judge' package GTO; it was green, same color as the goat in this roundup. I, of course, figured that they would have gotten a hemi or 427 vette or something. Now I know that they had the right info, and made the right choice. I'll always remember the T handle shifter in that car. His wife drove it at the track instead of him, and usually came home with the trophy. Ah, memories.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Chevy knew too... Torquey GTO's / 442's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8 GTO outsold everybody until '70 when Chevelle SS finally caught up... John DeLorean had it going on... without GM's permission...

[@dlrautomotive788]

Don’t get me wrong I like the new episodes but the older episodes are nostalgic. They are classics with Peter and Tom!

[@danhoyland142]

I’m happy the gto actually did good in this one. You hear so much lore about the ram air cars and the ram air IIIs never performed that well on here so having the ram air 4 clean house was epic

[@cammontreuil7509]

Those ram air cars always did great. It's no surprise to old school rodder's.

[@Thomas63r2]

I was never really impressed with the RA III's, and I never encountered any RA IV's. The RA IV in this GTO is tuned perfectly - its really to bad the RA IV was not more widely available, because it shows great performance in this shootout.

[@zommergames3972]

I always see the RA III being compared, ans I was so happy to see a RAIV in this one. Woulda been cool to see a RA V conversion but this is perfect either way

[@richardcoram1562]

Awesome video, showcasing some awesome classics. I'm happy to see the poncho as top bandito When I was a young man, back in the last millennium and year 1971- I bought a 1967 Pontiac firebird for $1,800 off a Pontiac GMC Cadillac.used car lot. The badge on the hood was 326, but I soon found out that it had a 400 ci, 325/330 horsepower engine with a TH 400 slush box..Watching those burnouts, oh yeah, my bird would do that without power breaking. And, I could beat anything I raced..Your Professionally thought out and selected muscle cars for the shootout, represented a good mix of the machines that roamed the streets back in the day.I was a 23 year old GI back then, and home from Vietnam . I'm 73 now but still enjoy going back to those days and times with the aid of these types of videos. Thank you for the memories.

[@g8r5oh10]

Thank you for re-uploading many of the American Muscle Car episodes and clips. It was one of my favorite shows to watch with my dad when I was younger. And I really like the new content as well.

[@stevebrown3660]

I owned a Ram 4 Judge and the times are legit. 13:1s at 105 all day long..

[@matthewblank214]

Back in 1991 my dad let me ring out his ram air 3 judge on the street at night and the strip, 3:90 4 spd, although the ram air 3 and street tires i could shift that car full throttle and pound 14.2-13.8 all day, couldnt come off the lines for shit but on the street it hooked up with no wheel spin, beat many cars with this judge but did lose to a 70 chevelle with an L78 by a fender

[@yafois988]

12’s in Pontiac 400 cars is easily obtainable numbers and as daily drive too. The D-Port heads work quite well, the Round ports RAIV & TA pieces #722’s / #614’s Or #96’s added to the flow rate #’s.

[@yafois988]

@@babaoreally8220 I recently sold my 69 RAIII 4sp car, still have 68 400HO Conv though. Sorta thinking to put my #96 R-port heads on it. These things are great machines .

[@yafois988]

@@babaoreally8220 Yes I know about them on the heads that are not specifically designed for the 1.65 , the PR will not clear. Its usually a 3/16 / 1/4” milling on the slot to make them clear properly. My #48’s had this issue .

[@gmac8852]

@@matthewblank214 Thanks for telling the truth because living through the muscle car era and hearing some of the BS it's a breath of fresh air .

[@stimpacat]

I might add, Baldwin Motion cars did 11 seconds, It did'nt leave the shop until it did. A friend of my brother had one, The story goes, He drove the garbage trunk and one morning he saw the car. A 1969 Chevelle, purple with the white hood stripes. His wife came out and got in it, started the car and lifted the clutch and the car planted here foot on the gas pedal and it ripped out the driveway, arched into the driveway pillars and smashed into it as it spun to a stop. she got out ran into the house and screamed, YOUR SELLING THAT F-ING DEATH TRAP! The next week it came back from the auto shop and with a for sale sign on it. He stopped and bought it. That was the fasted car around. Again Baldwin Motion cars didn't leave the shop until they did 11 sec. times. The shop was on my Island years ago.

[@505Tempest]

Well that one certainly didn’t run 11’s LMFAO!

[@ragimundvonwallat8961]

@@505Tempest stock non did...

[@jonathanlawson4667]

@@505Tempest it didn't because of the tires and that's the only reason it was spinning all the way through 3rd gear lol

[@BuzzLOLOL]

At 09:00 he's obviously granny shifting the B-M Camaro... on other runs he may have backed off the throttle to keep it out of 11's... to make things look closer...

[@ase2060]

@@jonathanlawson4667 That's right, some 7 to 8 inch M/H race masters on the Baldwin.

[@gordo4044]

Classic episode, watched when it came out many years ago now!!!!

[@tankthebear]

One of my fav carshows from back in the Day. Loved Tom - so sorry to see when he passed.

[@thejudge8780]

The ram air IV gtos were always underrated but kicked ass on the streets. Father had one back in the day and don't remember it ever beaten.

[@d.e.b.b5788]

They kicked ass on some tracks, too. Neighbor of mine bought one new, and they would take it to the track on weekends. Turned out his wife was quicker than he was, so she wound up being the one to drive. Usually came home with trophies. Hers was a 'Judge' model, only green.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

I drove a '65 GTO convertible tripower 4 speed back in the day... I remember one day my high school Buddy saying: " I can't believe I've never seen you beaten, Punk!"... Torquey GTO's owned stoplight to stoplight... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@jeremypike9153]

The yenko nova needs the traction bars that Baldwin put on the Camaro

[@GoatGirl314]

The GTO is my favorite car, ever.

[@night_speed]

Always liked that boxy styling of the AMC. Same reason I always preferred the look of the earlier Novas to this one.

[@javierzorzoli3646]

Do you know the story of the IKA Torinos?

[@ramblerdave1339]

@@javierzorzoli3646 Yes, I do! Impressive.

[@jrex3575]

not for me..those 2 looked boxy n boring... the best looking were by far the Baldwin Camaro n Shelby GT500!

[@tonytronto777]

It was great seeing shootout! Would have liked to see the Nova with traction bars installed. I’m surprised the GTO won the quart mile against the Baldwin Motion 427. Please keep doing these shoots. Great Job...

[@donalddavis2564]

Well honestly Baught a new 68 big block camaro ,Disappointed, Shifter,Junk Wheel Hop,Exhaust, Junk But Fixing that OMG NEW CAR ,SAME AS MY BUDDY'S Z28 .YOU HAD TO WORK ON THEM TO MAKE THEM GREAT

[@timsharpe3498]

I wasn’t surprised. My clappy old GTO saw BBCs as tasty snacks.

[@henrybourdon6712]

@@timsharpe3498 I agree i once had a 396/402 4 speed with 4:11 gears 67 camero and i raced a GTO 4 speed and got my ass whipped. i know it was not stock as well but i still lost by a cars length.

[@timsharpe3498]

@@henrybourdon6712 I love most anything GM made back in the day. I had a GTO that I mostly bracket raced and a daily driver Corvette that was lots of fun. When people wanted to race my GTO I usually raced them with the Corvette first to see if they were worth firing up the old Pontiac. Many times I didn’t have to. The Corvette was a high 13 second car but it could beat better cars on the street because it hooked up so well. I’m talking about 1980 era.

[@ase2060]

@@henrybourdon6712 My 68 camaro 462 4 speed kicked some poncho butt.

[@partsman11000]

My first car, I purchased in 1976, was a mint condition 1969 GTO Judge Ram Air IV. I remember that my uncle and I drove up to the guy that was selling it, and we both looked at each other, and said, this is the one. One the way, as I was diving her back home, I was overly cautious, actually downright intimidated by the power this machine had. I remember that I took the back way home, and there was a little import following me way too close, honking for the passing lane. I slowed down to about 45, and he pulled into the passing lane. I heard his little 6 cylinder doing all it could do, as his tranny shifted into passing gear. Instead of me dropping into 3rd, I simply floored the GTO, and as the secondaries kicked in, I looked over quickly, to see a frustrated import not being able to pass, and me pulling swiftly away. I'll never forget the look of disgust on the other drivers face, as he was completely unable to pass me. The amount of pure torque that engine had was really something. I really miss that car. Lots of great racing and memories.

[@patsfan8057]

Love this! Would have loved to have any one of these back in the day. But on a serious note, the fact that modern day performance cars stop from 60-0 in less than HALF the distance....😳

[@joelhatescops]

I really love the old screamers people were so innovative and still are. Just awesome to see.

[@markchapmon8670]

I loved all of them. I know it's not the most valuable one, but I would prefer cruising in the ScRambler, followed closely by the GTO.

[@MidnightinSavannah]

Now i know why they used a RA III GTO in the other shootout. The RA IV sort of ran away with this one, LOL.

[@joequillun7790]

I busted them on that too. A Hemi car, an LS-6, and a Boss 429, against a RAIII. This car should've been in that episode.

[@bluesman7475]

Pretty lucky no one had one of the half dozen or so 428 ram air 5 GTO tucked away in a barn somewhere.

[@HotRodsnHueys]

The gt500 and scrambler did well for underdogs, being more factory options than “tuned”. The Shelbys of 1965 were more in line with this type of work. They even say ford pretty much built these later cars in the video.

[@stuartb9323]

WOW...love this old episode So sweet

[@rdh5961]

Man, what a great episode! Thank you for the content and driving these baby's the way they were meant to be driven.

[@FODASSEZOR]

Wow, I didn't expect to ever see this in it's entirety! I saw the trailer on KZbin about 12 years ago, and after searching for months, I came up with nothing. Thanks so much for uploading.

[@chrisanderson6837]

Dad had a ram air 4 judge with 4.33. Such a fast car. Little disappointed in the bee tests show they do better. This is a great show and keep it coming.

[@matrox]

I wasn't old quite enough to drive in 69' but remember this era like it was yesterday. Such a baddass time in history and to experience such a fascinating automotive street scene. I loved looking at those cars as the idled at stop lights sitting next to you.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

I grew up in '50's and '60's and my life was just like that American Graffiti movie! kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@carlwilcox2347]

Watched this years ago on speedtv or whatever it was back then. This is one I will watch every time I see it pop up. Thanks for uploading

[@jeffbranch8072]

Too bad you couldn't get a Royal Pontiac with Ram Air V. That would have been the 'Holy Grail'.

[@donalddavis2564]

Ya as a GM man mainly Chevy,GTO RAM AIR 5 THE BOSS ,ESP. A BALDWIN

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

Being a GTO fanatic and the fact it was the 1st car I ever owned handed down from my dad I was glad to see it win. But honestly on any given day it could have lost to any of those other muscle cars. They were all amazing cars and with manual trans a blast to drive.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Remember the Torquey GTO's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8 GTO outsold everybody until '70 when Chevelle SS finally caught up... John DeLorean had it going on... without GM's permission...

[@douglasduham9749]

They out sold pontiac because you could buy a Chevy for a lot less than a gto

[@BuzzLOLOL]

@@douglasduham9749 - Took 7 years because GTO had a big headstart in mid size muscle......

[@PapaSmurf337]

I don't even remember how I stumbled upon the Baldwin Motion cars 20 years ago, if I saw it at a show or read it in a magazine, but I do remember they came in stage levels coined "Phase I, II, III, IV, etc". I didn't see them mention what Phase the Camaro was in this comparison. A Phase III and IV car was supposedly extremely fast of all of the tuner muscle.

[@evilinside5984]

The baldwin motion cars with the phase 1 option, just got jetting, and a tune, the phase 2 option, im not sure what else they added to the phase 1 option, but the phase 3 option was the package that would do 11 seconds in the 1/4 mile, with drag slicks and if driven by Nhra driver, and phase 4 was what ever you had the $ for, baldwin would do for you! The car in this shootout was the phase 1, with slicks, is capable of mid to high 12s.

[@henrybourdon6712]

I was impressed that the Pontiac came out on top.I own a 76 formula and a 77 T/A. Not surprised about the mustang at all.My next restoration after the Cuda will be my 1965 convertible 4 speed mustang. Shifting any transmission is king in my book. Most of my cars are 4 speeds but now i will try the new Tremec 5 speed in my 1969 440 Cuda i am working on now.

[@SurplusLlama0]

The Pontiac was built to beat all these other guys...

[@tonypoore440]

The Tremec is a good tranny, but that 440 is going to have a lot more torque than the newer engines it has been mated to. A good clutch will be necessary.

[@dinadaughtry8993]

I'm a Mopar guy but I think that the 426hemi in the b body car would have been more representative of a b body hot rod for 1969, but the 440 was a more common option

[@henrybourdon6712]

@@dinadaughtry8993 i agree with you. It was common because of price. I myself am just a car guy of all brands and my first thought when i was a boy and discovered what a Hemi was or looked like was why only 426 cubes instead of a 440 Hemi or bigger to make it king Kong of the Mopar freak world. What turned me on to the Hemi was it's fat valve covers and plug holes. That is why i have a few big block chivies in my collection of toys. If i was bucks up instead of just a working mans pay stubby i would have thrown a grease monkey wrench into one of them with a Hemi headed Chevy block and enjoyed popping the hood at gatherings to see how many would call it a Mopar engine in a Chevy body and let the fun begin when i explain that there is nothing Mopar about it. Maybe i am a real freak because i own and built what i like to call a woulda shoulda goulda built 1981 never made 4 eyed Malibu 400 vortec headed 4 speed trans am scooped spun around into a ram air Lemans tail lighted G body car that has about 30 multi yeared Chevy, Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile major parts in it picked from a scrap , oh sorry "recycling" yard and at times i get people walking up to me and claim someone in their family or friend circle had one. That when i have to decide if a tell all or just smile and say, cool. Of all the car brand guys out there i love to shake, poke and rattle the cages of Mopar paint and chalk marked restored freaks the most. That is why i will build my 69 Cuda with a stroked 440+6 BBL fool injected motor with a (rare Proto type) pistol grip 5 speed manual trans and put BO30 on the licence plate and let the fun begin. Hope i made you crack a smile or i will suggest you run to your safe space to the left side of you while wearing your chin mask in the heat of summer fearing to catch a cold and die. It's all in the science i hear. We just have to wait for daddy government to find it for us taxed slaves. So glad the 2 week or was that years curve is over!✌

[@dinadaughtry8993]

@@henrybourdon6712 absolutely the definition of Hot rod, take a car and you scrounge up all the stuff you can find in a junkyard and fund out what works and what does not getting harder to find the older stuff and when you do whoever has it wants to much for it but I found a 1973dodge charger with a 440 not original engine but I don't care not building a trailer queen,I want to build a charger the way I want it to be, my first car was a 72 Charger and it cost me a lot $50.00 and it was a 318 car no rust anywhere and it was yellow with tan interior, and I always wanted to put a 440 in it and put mags with fattys on the back and skinnys up front and of course a lot of chrome on the engine (everyone knows that chrome makes it faster) so when I came across the 73charger I had to scoop it up for $2400.00 even though it was a bit rusty and the suspension change that year does suck at least it's a charger that has the nice body style and I can build it anyway I want, going to get it to look like a 71 as much as I can a few parts will interchange with a little fabrication work and if it turns out like I can picture it in my head it should be a really cool Hot rod

[@mikiplavin1424]

Thank you very much for uploading this episode! I remember seeing it back in the day and was blown away. Well done!

[@johnmoser2689]

My best friend in high school had a super cool Dad who would let us cruise his 69 GTO Judge Out had a Ram Air 4 engine and 4 speed man I loved that car.... he got it for graduation... lucky dog Still has it too

[@rayun6860]

That pontiac slayed the competition! But now im wondering if a Buick GSX Stage 1 could've toppled the Bobcat...

[@bw3506]

Wonder how the weights compare between the two?

[@rayun6860]

@@bw3506 i think the pontiac is about 300 lbs lighter, but hey, the GS Stage 1 in the ordinary muscle car shootout was faster than an AMX (700 lbs lighter) around the slalom..

[@Thomas63r2]

@@rayun6860 A '69 GTO and a '70 GSX were very close in weight when similarly equipped. They really should have run all of this episodes cars across the scales.

[@rayun6860]

@@Thomas63r2 right, but arent the royal bobcats lighter than the average gto?

[@Thomas63r2]

@@rayun6860 no. Any weight differences came from options like power brakes, power steering, a/c, etc. Royal Pontiacs used the same frames and bodies and seats as all other Pontiacs.

[@michaelmaskal9295]

Would have been cool to see them run one or two runs with drag radials or slicks. Just to see how much wheel spin impeded all the cars E. T.'s

[@davidlackovich946]

I like that Hurst AMC Scrambler..i had a 64' Rambler American back in 1970 that my dad and i put a 283 Chev engine into it! At 18 yrs. of age i loved it!

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Drag radials would have cut a second off... 10 tenths...

[@volvobrynk]

@@BuzzLOLOL I bet you, it will changes all cars different. Possible bumping the nova up some. But it will be hard to say .

[@allenoshana7461]

Worked at a Chevrolet dealership in 1968, the Nova’s problem with wheel hop was due to the measly 4 leaf springs.

[@DesertMike]

My buddy had a ‘69 AMC Hurst Scrambler. He sunk an additional $2000 in the engine. Fastest street car I’ve ever rode in.

[@koolaid117]

That Rambler S/C is sharp!

[@bruceallen6016]

That Goat was impressive! Made my day. I'd like to see what a 1970 nicely opted 442 W30 4 speed would have done against this batch. I was the 442 guy, but older brother had some nice GTO's etc.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Yessir... Torquey GTO's / 442's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8 GTO outsold everybody until '70 when Chevelle SS finally caught up... John DeLorean had it going on... without GM's full permission...

[@ase2060]

@@BuzzLOLOL Chevy needed the overlap and lift, they revved like real race engines.

[@hendo337]

The '68 Hurst Olds 455 4 speed non A/C big cam was the one the beat.

[@hendo337]

I think the '70 Stage 1 Buicks were the baddest from the factory in '70.

[@chrisauten2039]

Superbee and yenko camaro were the tire shredder kings!

[@evanobrien2429]

Does anyone else notice how the driver's entire body jolts when he shifts the gears on the cars? It looks a little like he is starting a lawn mower.

[@1996slamster]

It took some effort to drive these cars. You shifted them like you hated them.

[@TheBb6prelude]

That’s how I shift too especially on one occasion I ran 1/4 mile in my old 2.0”F20b” liter NA Honda running fully stock internals with cams and 91 octane tune. Ran 12.8 at 107-8 but had more in it.

[@hendo337]

It looks like he's trying to rip the cars apart...

[@hendo337]

@@TheBb6prelude what are you talking about...we don't speak your chingchong language here...😂🤣

[@bobbyadams1507]

69 was a great year but 70 was the pinnacle year. Loved the video.

[@426hemi440]

Years and years searching this episode. Great Cars

[@gmain1977]

Yup 15 years for me

[@LifeofnotBrian]

Been waiting 17 years to see this... Awesome shootout! :D

[@hotolds455]

I loved this show!! But I just wished there were a W-30 and GS included.

[@gtuttle4]

Love the shot out, love to see more of these!

[@josephnewcomb5670]

Pontiac Ram Air 4 is super tough to beat & That Rambler is impressive

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Watch this: Torquey GTO's / 442's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8 GTO outsold everybody until '70 when Chevelle SS finally caught up... John DeLorean had it going on... without GM's permission...

[@leehouston5436]

The 68 Hemi Darts and Barracuda STILL hold the records

[@precilianoduran386]

The AMC should have been the Javelin SST 401 now that's a fast car I had one. Did great at Trans Am racing as well.

[@danawilkes6174]

The RAIV did not come with forged rods or crankshaft. It did come with forged pistons. Round port exhaust like the RAII, aluminum intake, 735 - 750 cfm Quadra Jet, cast iron headers, and the largest Pontiac camshaft at the time 308-320-113.5+1.5 LSA and .517" lift at both valves using 1.65 rockers. I liked the GTO's I had back in the day. I sure miss those times!

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Excellent and accurate specs. The only question is how did that GTO mile an hour at 106 with factory exhaust and that puny quadrajet ?? The Camaro had the hottest engine hands down because it was NOT as factory delivered. It had headers and aluminum intake AND aluminum heads and a 930 cfm 3 barrel Holley, the mile an hour difference between it and the Goat was too close to matter. That isn't correct. Lots of mysteries that don't add up in this shootout.

[@danawilkes6174]

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 The Q-Jet has a 735 - 750 cfm rating. The RAIV came with cast iron headers. The GTO could run these times. The Rat motors should have done much better here, I agree.

[@hendo337]

@@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 the GTO wasn't a factory Pontiac, it was fully modified by Royal, that's why it was so powerful. I'm surprised it wasn't a 428ci, since Royal would sell them that way in '68-'69 before the 455.

[@joshbrekke6374]

Funny in the 69 RamAir lV 400 only a 730-750 CFM Quadrajet. I parted out a rusted out 1976 T/A who’s OEM 400 had its original 800 CFM Quadrajet. It’s now been built up by Cliff Ruggles to 830+CFM and feeds my Butler/Murgic Racing 1969 406. My 3212 Lb 1964 Tempest runs 11.03 @ 121mph in the 1/4 currently. I still have a set of 340CFM CNC ported KRE heads with portmatched Northwind intake to put on and fiberglass hood, trunk lid & bumpers soon to install. I’m pretty sure it will be a 10Sec car after that, 😉.

[@dirkpittthegreat4559]

Great vid. 67 and 70 owner in the day. Thank you for the great competition vid. Loved my Pontiacs.

[@rcfred_689]

AWESOME _ I must have missed this episode!! Thanks for uploading!

[@tskraj3190]

It would of been great if they could've included an Olds 442 or a Buick GS Stage 1. There was a reason why they called the Buick 455 the "Hemi Killer".

[@markdodd1152]

There is another episode where they ran both of those cars in the same test is this was

[@theeoddments960]

They already did it it’s like 2 clicks away lol

[@onesecureone]

Never killed a hemi where we run the streets in northern va. Street raced all the way thru the 80s nearly every weekend But even 340 dusters and darts would run close or with street hemisphere because a police tire was the best you could get in the early days Mopars ruled and Sox and martin proved it so can't be disputed

[@onesecureone]

A 440 super bee was not the best Mopar had to offer should have run Mr norms 383 or 440 dart or demon Goodbye competition

[@onesecureone]

All these test where already done in the late 60s and early 70s at small towns and drag strips across America I was there watching Sox and martin win so many times it wasn't funny Dominant if it wasn't Ronnie it was 1 of many other mopars don't take my word for it

[@srtmetal7647]

Very cool I wonder if these guys even imagined one day we would get the return of muscle Luke the Hellcat cars.

[@scottdezieck7056]

Really enjoyed this video! Thank you for doing this. Learned a lot about the history of these cars. Looking forward to your next video.

[@JohnB-le2pi]

That guy driving is certainly no Ronnie Sox, Herb McCandless, or Bill "Grumpy' Jenkins shifting those cars. Looks like he was trying to yank the tranny through the floor of the car and stomp a hole in the floorboard with his left foot. I did love the selection of cars- all heavy hitters.

[@eatshit8907]

He was lifting his foot up two feet above the pedal then stomping the shit out of it 🙈

[@craigcampbell8560]

The GM A bodies were easily the best overall muscle cars because they had the best chassis/suspension as well as engines that made a ton of power without much difficulty. MOPAR had some really badass engine packages (six packs and hemi's) but they really do handle like shit. Ford just didn't have the same power output as the others. People love to point at the Boss 429, but in reality they are dogs bone stock because Ford detuned them too much for the street (they're real screamers in race tune though). The FE is a great engine and runs really well, but wasn't designed as a performance engine since it was originally a truck engine which does put it at a bit of a disadvantage to the big blocks that were designed as performance engines from day 1. I wasn't surprised the AMC did well. I worked at a drag strip for a while and every AMX I ever saw ran like a scalded cat. Very underrated muscle cars. I'd love to see them do the same kind of test with some of the small block cars like the L79 Nova, DZ and Boss 302, and a 340 six pack MOPAR. You could also include the Pontiac Firebird since there is no Pontiac big block or small block. They all use the SAME basic engine design.

[@chrisvig123]

The leaf springs on the Nova looked like spaghetti during the burnout lol 😆

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Needed Buick GNX rear suspension setup...

[@bishlap]

as great as they looked, they were that much fun to drive... today's cars are fine pieces of machinery, but they have no soul - The MUSCLE era automobiles HAD HEART & SOUL!!

[@JerkVegas86]

Spot on!

[@charlesdalton985]

Thank you for showing this! Interesting results as you noted. Let’s face it, this is rarified air these cars are flying in, they all put down some serious numbers.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Would have been better without the 50 MPH headwind...

[@elijah2078]

I was rootin' for the Six Pack Super Bee!!! Still my favorite of the bunch.

[@kennaaye8596]

This is awesome thanks guys!

[@c.johnstonblacksmith]

A body dart or barracuda with a 340 would have been a good add to this testing, a little biased really with 3 GM products,

[@brianstough5286]

and NO Fords! (Shelby can't possibly be counted as a ford - Carroll made sure that ALL the ford parts and badges were replaced with QUALITY parts) - "tuner" is a term that implies a few parts were improved - not the entire car replaced!

[@BuzzLOLOL]

@@brianstough5286 - Shelby had little to do with Fords by '68 and left totally Summer of '69...

[@79tazman]

That Super Bee looks like a Factory built A12 car to me in 1969 you could get the Dodge Super Bee or the Plymouth Road Runner A12 cars and that's what they looked like 440 6 pack dana 60 with 4.10 gears, HD hemi suspension and cooling, HD engine components with a lift off glass hood and 15x6" steel rims with the red stripe wheels

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Yeah, performance looks stock... into that headwind...

[@hendo337]

I think the 4.10 gears hurt the Bee, too short, it probably would have been a lot quicker if it had 3.23 gears for the that 490tq to chew on, it might have even worked well with 2.92 or 2.76 gears like a CHP car.

[@leehouston5436]

That IS an A12 car

[@davidtosh7200]

1968 was the last year for vent wing windows on all redesigned GM midsize cars, especially for convertible and 2 door hardtop. For 1969, adjustable head restraints come, and vent wing windows go. For 1968 Ford, Lincoln Continental and Mercury full size cars, both adjustable head restraints and vent wing windows are still available, including the convertible and 2 door hardtop.

[@davroscaan1318]

Incorrect David. Vent wing windows were available on GM post coupes until at least 1972. I owned a 70 LeMans with them and here is a 72: barnfinds.com/bf-auction-1972-pontiac-lemans/

[@patsfan8057]

Yup. Had a friend who's parents brought a Buick Skylark 4 door back in '72 and it had wings.

[@patsfan8057]

Not quite. I remember going to a few showrooms back then and paid close attention to whether the cars had vent wings or "Astro Ventilation" as they called it back then. I was in high school and my friends and I would look for that and the side marker lights to tell if a car was newer.

[@davidtosh7200]

Davros Caan, Correction: all 1969, 1970, 1971, and 1972 GM mid size cars still uses vent wing windows on 4 door station wagon, 4 door pillared sedan, 4 door hardtop sedan, and 2 door post sedan, but not on 2 door hardtop and convertible. That's make more sense.

[@ivanmarkovicxxx]

Epic shootout! Would have been cool to have a RA IV TA on here for the superior handling, but since a Pontiac won anyway...

[@snaken9561]

Now it's time for the small block shootout 😎

[@jaymoe5.7]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the 340 six pak would probably win haha

[@travispfannmuller7717]

Boss 351 would give everyone a run, too bad ford didn't offer that in 69, it would have been so much better than the FE in the mustang. I'm a chevy guy at heart but they didn't offer a factory head that could compare in the day in my opinion

[@jaymoe5.7]

@@travispfannmuller7717 yeah the boss 351 would be a good contender too, even as a Mopar guy I'll admit that's a good engine, and Chevy's DZ 302 would probably be a good one too even though it's short on cubic inches

[@jclark347]

The gto and amc are smallblock, would be a better shootout though.

[@davidh1249]

@@jclark347 Pontiac V8's are neither big nor small blocks because they are all share the same exterior dimensions.The same is true for AMC V8 engines,if my memory serves me correctly.

[@gmain1977]

I waited 15 years for this. When I seen the 3 minute trailer in 2006, could not find it anywhere. I was in KZbin searching and Searching , I even commented on the trailer. The other muscle shootout was on KZbin but very shocked not one person had this and uploaded. Royal was very fast, Baldwin motion was it a phase 3? I heard there was no phase 1 and 2 but phase just sounded better. Sixpack launched great but shocked about not pulling near top end but I guess the weight held it back. Today a 2 litre Golf R with 320hp runs 12.2 seconds , who on earth would of foreseen that 50 years ago. Burnout was a draw I agree, I the Royal Bobcat sounded awsome , Ram air 4 cars did sound great. I wanted the Mopar to win but never mind. Great video 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@joelpaape8748]

People essily could've seen it 40 years ago with the Omni GLH

[@snaken9561]

YES!!!!! THANK YOU GUYS!!!

[@iSpike]

Awesome Video! I love my... 1969 PONTIAC Grand Prix 455 Stroker RHD 🏁 🦘DownUnder WILD Western Australia

[@howabouthetruth2157]

Smokey Yunick was directly responsible for the final engine position of the '66 Chevelle's with big blocks. Smokey at that time was a engine/car tester and consultant for Chevy ( he did the same for Ford and Pontiac at other times ). He complained to the Chevy brass and told them the car was too nose-heavy, and that they needed to move the big block back 4" and lower it 3" as well. Even though the Chevy plant already had the jigs made to mass produce the firewalls, Chevy brass granted Smokey's recommendation and totally redesigned the firewall so that the engine would be dropped and moved back. Smokey tested the car again, and was very pleased with the results. He said the car actually felt "kind of racey". Why am I telling you this? Because in the same true story, Smokey stated that he saved the '66 Chevelle ( and later models ) from being a disaster in the handling department, and that title goes to ALL the Ford Mustangs equipped with big blocks being way too nose heavy. Carrol Shelby was totally against putting a big block in his Shelby Mustangs, citing that the 289 small block would run circles around it on road courses. But under pressure from Ford brass, Shelby relented, and gave them the big block Shelby's.

[@Thomas63r2]

That Smokey Yunick story never happened. The '66 Chevelle's big block was in the same exact position as on the 1965 Z16 - which Smokey had nothing to do with.

[@brianstough5286]

EXTENSIVE MODIFICATIONS were required to put anything bigger than a 302 in a mustang!

[@howabouthetruth2157]

@@Thomas63r2 I don't know why in the hell I said "66 Chevelle". It was the '64 Chevelle, the very first yr of production, and YES, Smokey Yunick DID advise Chevy brass to drop that big block down and move it back. Because he tested a prototype BEFORE AND AFTER moving the engine. My mistake on saying "the '66 Chevelle" earlier.......but I know I am correct about Smokey really pissing off the guys at the Chevy plant who already had the jigs made for mass producing the firewalls, and I can't recall the head honcho's name at the moment who hired & paid Smokey at Chevy, who took Smokey's sage advice seriously & ORDERED them to move the engine & build all new jigs for a different firewall to accommodate the different engine position for the big block.

[@Thomas63r2]

@@howabouthetruth2157 Sorry, I'm not buying the story that because of what Smokey said that they retooled the Chevelle AFTER the car was tooled up for production. No brass at GM ever wanted to be the one who held up production. Its the same firewall in all A bodies of the era in all the GM divisions, so you are not talking about changing tooling at just one plant - but at all the plants producing A body cars across all the divisions.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Here's the real story: ... Torquey GTO's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@georgesaleeby8037]

Great photos and Video. . AND. SHOW

[@warrenstephens3705]

Poncho for the win.

[@ianriordan6382]

I'm a BBC bloke, but I've always had a soft spot for 66 to 70 GTOs, especially Green 69s. Another category you could list is anger, how angry does it sound? The Baldwin/Motion Camaro sounded plenty healthy, but it needed some slicks and ladder bars to step into the ring. The Royal Pontiac GTO sounded like it took a deep breath, got up on the balls of it's feet and came out swinging. All of the others sounded tired and flat. The Nova was clearly not sorted (as described). An L72 should sound crisp, not flat. The AMC, Dodge and Shelby all needed a decent exhaust to let them breathe.

[@scottsavinski9311]

That Goat though.... Damn!!!!!!

[@michaelsimko7694]

Super Cobra Jets were underpowered vs most other 400+ cubic inch big blocks

[@bdogjr7779]

Wow《☆》The GTO is a Beast. Let Nick's Gararage ave a look at the throttle linkage on the SuperBee⛾He likes to mount a camera next to the engine to verify all SIX barrels🤳are opening when they should◇¿.😎🎱☮🔊🖖👍

[@truckerkevthepaidtourist]

It was 12 years ago. This originally was 2009 when this episode came out. The big guy died in 2012 Tom Hnatiw

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Dodge front end didn't like that 50 MPH headwind... GTO didn't mind it...

[@michaelpiercey2160]

That Rambler is so gorgeous! HOT DAMN!

[@dr.detroit1514]

Royal Pontiac was doing Pure Stock supertunes on their engines before it was cool! If the Pontiac really wanted to be sneaky, there could be a 428 under the hood. All normal production Pontac blocks, except for the decked 301's, look exactly the same, and have the same external dimensions. It was one advantage Pontiac had, that 350 or 400 badged car could have a 428 or 455 in it, and unless your really knew what to look for, you couldn't tell the difference.

[@hendo337]

That's exactly what I think was going on here, I believe that was a 428ci in that Pontiac with the RAIV top end.

[@oldskool1979]

TOM HNATIW was the real legend here !

[@travislostaglia8861]

That Shelby is no different than any other 69 mustang 428 scj Shelby did nothing to the 69-70 cars they were built by ford and not super tuned like the other cars

[@Thomas63r2]

I owned a '69 Mach 1 428 CJ 4 speed 3.50 posi, I was surprised at the Shelby in this episode. It was quicker than mine was stock, I had lots of 1st and 2nd gear tire spin at OCIR - but mine trapped 101.X mph almost 102 mph. With the Shelby's 3.91 gears I thought it should have done 103.x mph passes. There was no hp difference between the '69 Shelby and any other production 428 CJ/SCJ.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

Yes, in '68 GT500 lost its 2nd 4 bbl. carb. and Shelby's influence was waning... in '69 GT500 lost its hotter camshaft... was considered a 16 second car... Shelby/race shop tuning on this one plus Super Cobra Jet engine got it into 14's... Summer of '69 Shelby parted from Ford... back in the day a neighbor had a GT500 and it seemed like a slug for the spec.s it had...

[@josephbartolini351]

This was my favorite car since I seen it back in 1977 was only 10 years old but the looks and the power was unreal I like how he didn't change for the two years and that car has more horsepower than what advertised I would love to have this one at raceway park englishtown New Jersey 🔥🍟🍔🥇🧨🐕‍🦺🐀🦮

[@josephbartolini351]

I think the 1969/1970 Shelby 500 for identical and they were both the best looking cars and 69 and 70 the 428 Cobra jet had good horsepower 335 but I think you had a lot more than that that's my favorite muscle car the hardcopter

[@JD-ir5fj]

65 was the best.

[@ejp75]

I was 17 in 1973. I had a ‘69 GTO, Windsor Blue black vinyl top and interior. 421HO motor Ram Air IV, 4 speed Muncie M22 Rock Crusher trans. It was tuned by Nunzi Romano “Mr Pontiac” of Nunzi’s Automotive in Brooklyn NY. I loved that car. Then I had a ‘69 Baldwin Motion Phase II Corvette built by Joel Rosen of Motion Performance. My last hot Rod was a ‘70 Chevelle SS454 LS6, 4 speed, cowl induction hood, Birch White with black vinyl top and hood stripes, also tuned by Motion Performance. They used Sunoco 260 gasoline. If I only knew then what these cars would be worth $$$ today…

[@Cartier_specialist]

I haven't watched this yet so I want to place my wager beforehand on the Yenko Nova.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

You didn't come back to pay us off... Of course... Torquey GTO's owned stoplight to stoplight... where more people saw them... took a full 1/4 mile for the overcammed Chevy's to get a fender ahead: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXusg5yqgLaMqK8

[@Dogboy1960]

Not surprised by the 440 Super bee as a winner in the 60ft race. The torque in these engines is amazing and Dodge always did seem to have cars set best to launch at the drag strip. I was a little surprised to hear them say it failed to show good power in the remainder of the run. The 440s didn't show the breathing potential of the HEMI cars at high RPM but they will wallop a HEMI all the way up to 4000-4500RPM on torque. This may not make them as good a drag race motor as Hemi but it's far from the ingredients of an engine you'd ever call out as "weak". Makes me wonder if it's giving it's all or if this one isn't really up to potential.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

That Dodge front end prolly didn't fair well running into that 50 MPH headwind...

[@hendo337]

4.10 gears are too short for the 440's powerband, it would have probably benefited from a 3.55, 3.23, 2.92, 2.76 axle so that TQ could have generated mph.

[@jackperry9369]

Love this Era man grew up in it Baldwin was a big deal so was yenko always a chevy guy and still am thanks great informative nostalgic car info nice cars also 👍 I subbed keep this coming

[@Formulabruce]

Wide Track, Wins again !!

[@generalsixty2133]

Wheel hop will seat all those fresh Yenko panels in nicely. lol

[@BuzzLOLOL]

LOL !

[@linnrandy1677]

love the video , thank you. i tell ya what at the 28 minute mark and the wind made him look like his legs were shaking lol that was funny

[@jonpaulcottrell7314]

Love the shootout!

[@gristlepounder]

Very cool. I never saw this episode.

[@happycat0411]

The mid to late 70s was a great time to grow up in. Fashion was butt ugly but one could buy a muscle car for a few thousand bucks and go street racing that same day. I owned a clean stock all stock Sikkens midnight blue 72 455 Formula Firebird and even though it the engine was only rated at 250 HP, the torque was 490 foot pounds. Great car for light to light racing and showing off at the Friday and Saturday night car get togethers! Had to sell the car to finish my university but what use is a muscle car if you don't use it to have fun while you're young?

[@christhomas5794]

Pontiac GTO is my favourite car Respect from the UK

[@scarface9617]

Now thats your real American Muscle run’n down that Strip! 💯🦅🇺🇸

[@donlange1491]

Where's the Buick Skylark GS I saw in the intro????? I had a 71 GS when I was a kid that beat EVERYTHING I RACED with it - mustangs, corvettes, camaros trans am etc. I know this is all about 69's but 71 was the fastest production year of factory stock cars, 71 Trans am being the fastest at that time and I watched this video mainly because that GS caught my attention. Would have loved to see how that turned out in the races. Also 69 chargers were also extremely fast back then, and the AMC AMX, and the AMC Javelin were also extremely fast for a factory stock car