Gatling Guns go Brrrr

[@Diego000793]

The fact that shogun 2 playerbase grew in 30% since legend started covering it again says a lot

[@Jeyeyeyey]

Also it's an actually good (amazing even) game, unlike anything they've released since Rome 2 (with the exception of Attila)

[@arturg3333]

Yeah. One of these videos popped up on my YT feed and I've decided to watch it, then another one and another one and eventually I started my own campaign as Hattori, because I wanted to see if I can effectively employ Legend's tactics.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

@@Jeyeyeyey3K? Warhammer?

[@Pikilloification]

That's unfair. Shogun 2 is my favourite TW, but WH2 was solid from day 1.

[@SegaMegaLoh]

Best total war game

[@captainnyet9855]

Armstrong guns are better than gatling guns, but gatling guns are still worth getting for your late game armies; Armstrongs get more kills over-all, but gatlings deliver a lot of firepower quickly, making them excellent for causing routs; they fill different purposes with the Gatling gun acting more like a long range infantry unit than proper artillery.

[@ScarryHarry93]

ya, I feel the Armstrong's are great for long-range large groups, whereas the gatlings are better for short-range large groups - when you're getting swarmed in close-combat or against many lower-tier melee troops. That superior firepower will grind them faster than most single-units and their slower firerate

[@bonehed1]

Yeah it looked like the super-wide firing arc of the Gatling was advantageous too, you could see the Gatling firing into enemies way over on the right flank late into the battle. I think the army comp this guy had complimented itself well, Armstrong guns wiping out huge swathes of troops far away and the Gatling keeping the leftovers from actually reaching the troops in melee

[@Rhainiac]

A couple days ago I accidentally said ratling guns in normal conversation.

[@Typhy7]

Ikit approves yes yes.

[@anteep4900]

Twatling guns

[@RKNGL]

Real human yes-yes.

[@SAMagic]

That is not a normal conversation.

[@Diegoshadow85]

@@SAMagic Don't you think about roman empire daily? What a pleb.

[@AwayWithYouVileBeggar]

This is a certified "Your honour Free Bird was playing in the BG" moment

[@inductivegrunt94]

Legend gets beast artillery, a sick ass unit of gatling guns, US marines, sharpshooters, and he's still complaining about hills. That just shows how much he's a hill addict. Still sweet seeing Legend plays FOTS, dude is now carrying the Shogun 2 fanbase singlehandedly.

[@hyperion3145]

Gatling guns, marines and sharpshooters are ephemeral but hills are forever

[@Predator20357]

I always enjoyed how the Older Total War games treated muskets, matchlocks, rifles and cannons. A bit finicky to set up but devastating when they get going. 50 to 1 indeed

[@whzpoor]

Legend reacting to the panicking advisor is becoming my favourite parts of these 😅

[@thecursed01]

there's gotta be a support group for depressed advisors becasue legend always insults them XD

[@Romahelten]

God I love these FoTS vids, gunplay is so much fun. Makes me wish for empire 2 even more, although I understand most want med3 ^^

[@buzter8135]

Keep up with the old world mod then, what they're cooking looks really cool.

[@pablopablo3834]

Med 3 would also have guns just very early ones. I think most people would prefer Med 3 like I would but if we got Empire 2 I would still be very happy. Ideally we would get them both that would be incredible.

[@inotaarto8719]

Problem isent whats next, but who makes it...

[@Niitroxyde]

I'd still be cautious about either. Devs who made these games what they were probably aren't working at CA anymore, so chances are you'd have yet another Troy disguised as a Medieval or Empire.

[@xXBisquitsXx]

@@Niitroxyde I think CA knows this and that's why they've never remade the fan favorites since if/when they messed it up there would be huge backlash and it would be obvious the difference in quality. Hopefully their recent shake up makes them reassess their priorities.

[@arturg3333]

I'd love to see you zoom-in more on the enemy troops getting so shredded when they are still far from you and there is no risk of you losing control of what is going on, otherwise it was a great video as always.

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

My only disappointment was no manual targetting Gatling Gun action

[@hippieyoda1993]

its the balance between: do you want a tactical conversation and to maybe learn something or do you want a cool af shot of dudes getting shredded by artillery. I think everyone wants *both* and its hard to do that in one vid xo

[@lucusmccluskey7664]

It would be great if he could post the replay file somewhere so we could download it and watch the replay ourselves.

[@arturg3333]

@@hippieyoda1993 You’re right, but once he’s set up his army and the enemy was walking towards him, that’s where he could have zoomed-in for a short while, risk-free. There is less space for that in the Feudal part of the game though.

[@-Kidzin]

If only dwarf artillery felt this impactful (as it should)

[@marekstarzyk9355]

True

[@zeroner777]

It is, just not for the dwarfs you're thinking of ^^

[@FilipMoncrief]

If only gunpowder was this satisfying in warhammer…

[@pablopablo3834]

The railway mechanic in FoTS is still one of the coolest mechanics in the entire Total War franchise. When I did my first ever campaign I had no idea it was even a thing until I captured Suo as Satsuma which had a railway node and I thought it was damn cool.

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

It's a godsend really, considering how slow artillery moves over the campaign map

[@pisuoxide]

Naval transport is still waaay faster, especially if you have naval control and daisy chain your ships

[@MultiFloopi]

The only big problem I hate is unit movement in siege battles, if there is too much units on the battlefield they just stop to respond to your commands.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

Still can’t get over the fact that chaos dwarfs don’t have railroads

[@captainnyet9855]

Yes, naval transport is a bit faster, but you need ships (upkeep), there is a risk of being intercepted by enemy fleets and you also need to plan your troop movements more (you need to have a ship available at the right place) Beyond that the railway lets you move troops to a couple of important inland places (e.g. you can get to Kyoto very quickly from the nearest railway station) Each method has its advantages, which is exactly how it should be.

[@blagerthorpnonersense1894]

Seem to really be enjoying these older historical titles. Like seeing you cover them.

[@RTEducators]

... That Scenematic Last Samurai moment... except there's no samurai on the enemy side...

[@Keckegenkai]

those clouds from the rifle shots and the sound of the armstrong cannons are so damn good

[@QuanNguyen-rr6pe]

That was a last samurai moment when you turn your gatling guns on the poor sabre cavs haha

[@kolpere1625]

Thanks to legend, it was today years old where i finally found out the usefulness of the siege units from hojo clan: as morale breakers. Cannons, matchlocks, fire arrows, whistling arrows, mortars and rockets apply morale decrease separately. Once the first fire at ranks from the matchlocks start to fire, the morale went like ploof. Proved with katana samurai (better matchlock frontline vs melee than ever the tokugawa with kisho bombs+mounted gunners lol)

[@729060]

Been loving all the recent Shogun 2 videos, one of my favorite total wars

[@fida6358]

I'd never touched FOTS even after 300 hrs of Shogun 2. But after watching Legend play I'm on my first campaign and it's absolutely a blast. I like it much more than napoleon and empire.

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIIlIlIlIlIlIlIIIII]

it's such an excellent DLC - an entirely different game practically

[@feintfaint7213]

I'm gonna need a sale on it. I know its worth it but its hecking expensive.

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIIlIlIlIlIlIlIIIII]

@@feintfaint7213 what does it cost rn out of curiosity?

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

$45 Australian, yeah that's an outrageous price. I don't think it was even that much when it was brand new

[@nonevahed5559]

this is great; LoS management was always the favorite part of my Empire, Dwarf, and Skaven campaigns, seeing a whole game based on it is super cool.

[@Iceman-135]

Watching this was like watching a reenactment of The Last Samurai.

[@Achillez098]

"General! They outnumber us 6 to 1!" "We have Legend, so it is an even fight..."

[@Bagruz]

this guy is merely an average player, it's not him, it's his artillery and gutlings

[@BoomDowg]

I really wish FotS was on the scale of Empire, fall of the samurai just feels WAY better

[@serek_heterogenizowany]

Empire just gives you the illusion of scale. It's a small game with countries like France or Spain being one province.

[@Garret007]

@@serek_heterogenizowany interesting point, never thought of that

[@zondor8123]

​@@serek_heterogenizowanylol yeah empire sucks in terms of immersion of the world

[@serek_heterogenizowany]

empire sucks at many things...@@zondor8123

[@ayomri1914]

How tf was that a Decisive Victory? That was 100% a Heroic victory with that balance of power and that Kill Ratio?

[@CatroiOz]

Ammo used is taken into account. The more you used the lesser your score is

[@RobinTheBot]

​@@CatroiOzthat explains a lot lol

[@ayomri1914]

@@CatroiOz Really? Well that's shitty because then they're basically punishing you for using your units effectively. It should be a positive if your units were positioned so good that they could use all their ammo.

[@SamuelBlake83]

@@ayomri1914 Yeah the calculations factor in ammo usage along the lines of "these units X amount of their ammunition, therefore they would have lost their damage output if the battle lasted Y more minutes, therefore the victory was Z% less decisive than it could have been." So if you had a unit of 100 archers go up against a horde of enemies and the archers defeat those enemies with only a couple of losses, but they ended the battle with a dozen or so arrows left between them all, then that was technically a close battle because only a few extra enemies or a few more missed shots could have been the difference between total victory and total defeat. But at the same time I would also 100% define that kind of victory as a heroic victory too from a human emotional perspective. The battle outcome scale is pretty limiting in that regard.

[@Alex_Fahey]

The problem is that the balance of power values reduction for yourself and your enemy is the deciding factor for the calculation. The majority of a ranged unit's power is in firepower, and the power steadily reduces as they use the ammo. As such, an archer/gunner/artillery army that expends all their ammo loses most of its power over the course of the battle. Even a complete victory will no casualties will be a close victory in that situation since you lost ~75% of your power and the enemy lost 100%. Heroic and Decisive victories can be difficult to get when relying on firepower victories over melee shock victories where the only loss of power is the initial deaths in the charge before the targeted units break.

[@SofaMuncher]

Man I need to play some FOTS, never really got into it because the units didnt seem very distinct to me, but the aesthetics and soundtrack and weaponry etc. All just phenomenal !

[@brandoncampanaro7571]

It is the best version of guns in all of total war

[@zondor8123]

To be expected if you are not familiar with Sengoku Jidai or Japan in general. And you missing a lot

[@bryanduhart7218]

I love this guy

[@commissarkordoshky219]

And then there’s me who has difficulty fighting the bloody pirates in empire total war lmao 🤣 well done, sir!!!

[@Kristjan0209]

Your evaluation of the cannons is pretty good since the tier list I looked at rated armstrong at S+ and gatlings at B. Also speaking of tier lists, I would love for you to make tier lists for the older games.

[@thmaster1236]

Thank you for your amazing content, I have started playing because of you. I played Napoleon total war and was looking for another game with with muskets/single shot rifles and im glad I found you!

[@SuperAerie]

Love the smoke-effects in all the empire era-games. Even better with mods. Dont like how its basically non-existant in the wargammer-games

[@booradley6832]

Fun fact: Before going into WWI the US Marine Corps was very small, well under 10,000 men. They did an expert job of using recruitment propaganda(that doesnt have to be a negative word) to make their branch into the powerful entity it is today. If you made a full army of US Marines in game you'd have nearly half of all existing marines at that time.

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

I think there's a unit cap of 6 or so. Still, that's still more marines than were ever in Japan until after WW2

[@sengleanu]

One of the best if you ask me! The unit combat animations are incredible, and they seem to have skimped on this in newer games.

[@jarskil8862]

Yup. In general in new games units behave like colliding animation blocks. In older games every solider was invidual.

[@lecoutcritique8854]

kill ratio 50 to 1? I'm surprised it's not close victory (maybe pyrrhic ?)

[@juliovielma8703]

When you have good positioning and can keep continuous fire on an era with line infantry it is like bringing a machinegun to a musket battle

[@Arkki11]

First thing that came to mind was the ending of the movie "The Last Samurai"

[@quint3ssent1a]

Whatever happens, we have got The Gatling gun, and they have not.

[@alessandrofinazzer2881]

Legend your videos of shogun 2 made me so much interested in the game that I bought everithing regarding this game with the current sales and I'm loving every hour of it

[@ragerancher]

WW1 generals: "That attacking army seemed to have the right idea..."

[@demomanchaos]

Man you just forget how powerful FoTS artillery really is.

[@tommyservo9660]

I like big hills and I cannont lie. -Sir Total-Wars-A-Lot, 2023

[@Drcrabs1484]

Hey Legend, you may have forgotten but you can take control of the cannons yourself and extend the range of the shot just for that extra bit a cheese for a bit more micro.

[@aidanmattys7488]

I'm also fairly certain the blast radius increases for manually-fired shots

[@danielangelo2135]

I love the cannon sound in that game, i think i'm not normal

[@Kalafinwë]

If you are worried about shooting your artillery/gatling pieces, you can always press the ''withdraw'' button for the front unit. This way, they will detach their limb and horses, but you have to quickly attach the unit to the gun/gatling pieces (if you hover over it, you will see a small hand, right click and they will go back from withdraw to the pieces).

[@alannguyen5452]

1:32 "Flat-ass" man that make me laugh already

[@divedweller4295]

Yes. Mighty hills with firm peaks make the best positions.

[@johnnyreigh7988]

Legend: *slaps Shogunal Army* This bad boy can take so much fucken damage

[@RuskiFuze01]

This is just making me hope that legends next stream is a shogun 2 campaign. FoTS or Base game would be amazing

[@ryanmelaugh7096]

I read guns go brrrr and just assumed a skaven weapons team video lol

[@Ashes-Crime]

Отлично выполненный огневой мешок. Лучшая часть серии игр, в возможностях артиллерии и огнестрельных войск!😂

[@aaronburdon221]

The gatling gun is NASTY when it's fully upgraded. It'll wipe out like 3 units of men before they even get in range.

[@NRSGuardian]

9:25 Legend literally Last Samurai'd that unit of Sabre Cavalry.

[@Neon-zq5of]

I'm adoring all these shogun diaster battles

[@righteousham]

Love a good hill defense. Really demonstrates why historically everyone wanted the hill.

[@pablopablo3834]

I've noticed that gun units in FoTS barely do friendly fire damage even if they are behind a unit only the troops who have a clear line of sight fire where in other games they just obliterate your own guys. They massacre friendly cav because they run into the projectiles path so it doesn't register that soldier will hit your unit. There is one thing I'm not sure why they removed which is capturing buildings on the battlemap like in Napoleon I thought that was a really interesting mechanic and I liked seeing them fire from the windows and then fight hand to hand inside for control.

[@minhqun]

Kid: Can we have TWW3 for the weapons-team doomstack? TWS2: We have doomstack at home *the* *doomstack* *at* *home*

[@MilanVoorhees]

The other way around

[@DunklesStahlherz]

Greetings from Germany. Kudos to you, the game has a lot of entertainment value!!!

[@VoPoHo]

Turns out this was a doomstack video actually :D

[@ohauss]

The limited ammo capacity of the gatling guns is what has made me shy away from them most of the time.

[@RX7FDfreak]

Been watching legend religiously since this historical kick, kicked off.

[@0KOrbU0]

"God is on the side with the best artillery" is so true in FoTS :)

[@itsafshin8327]

it's so fun to watch legend weapons team around and expresses his feelings towards those damn curves and hills XD

[@Jayton.Olerie]

12:20 FIFTY TO ONE WHEN THE SWORD MEETS THE GUN

[@MenAreSpeaking]

I need a cigarette after that gatling volley

[@LOL-zu1zr]

I am glad to hear legend like big hills in his woman just like me💪

[@gustavom2305]

The Classic Good and Old Corner Camping 😂😂😂

[@MarkAndrewEdwards]

and that's why the samurai fell....

[@roguegargoyle914]

2 units of Gatling guns mixed into the front line, nothing is getting to them as long as your flanks hold, though artillery can be an issue but that's the same for all units. Deadly and no risk of friendly fire.

[@jschex123]

You and l volound got me to start a new campaign. The fever has spread

[@stalhandske9649]

Dude your general looks just like C.G.E. Mannerheim 😄

[@shinsekai101]

If only total war allows for maps that is not just PLAIN FIELD with itty bitty miny hills

[@pastabrain1903]

It's not the size of the hill that matters, it's how you use it... or so i've been told...

[@CahitbeyAdiAlinmis]

This is like the movie Last Samurai all over again

[@VarroxFur]

Its not the size of the hill, it matters what you can do with it.

[@caboosehelpsu2840]

I would kill for another game like this setting, even if it’s alt history/fantasy.

[@darthplayer5333]

"Balanced dyz nuttz" -Legend about TW Balance of Power, probably.

[@timflormahe6103]

9:30 and I start having flashback to The Last Samurai (2003) lol.

[@ehniper]

If "Minimal losses" was a dude

[@scholaepalatinae4988]

Those smokes... i miss them.

[@elmertsai1312]

I guess this is why WW1 devolved into trench warfare

[@Meat312]

Just bought Shogun II 2 days ago, I really enjoy the innovative game feeling. Been a while!

[@thaliatherasdotter9175]

It's so frustrating when you order an artillery unit to attack an enemy unit and it aims in the freaking leftmost edge of the unit instead of the center of it, missing a lot of shots that would be a hit if they aimed center. I remember that happening in many of the Total War Games.

[@VanguardDeezNutz]

FOTS has a lot of bugs but that's definitely one of the most egregious

[@yazui.i.9368]

Could you do some Guide Videos for Shogun 2, when I started to play this game (it was my first TW) I had no idea how anything works, would be great for newcomers as well.

[@somangoren4911]

Yeah, 200 US Marines pulling up in black Railway Transport Carts Gatling Guns landed Echigo ranch is under siege, under lockdown.

[@waffle-waffle5416]

We really need Victorian Era total war since there's a lot of cool stuffs like gatling gun, ironclads, mitrailleuse, needle guns, krupp guns, revolvers, etc. but everybody still fighting like it's Napoleonic war

[@terzaputra3203]

Those infantry got shredded, Holy. It makes even Warhammer Artillery seems weak.

[@month32]

Legend of Total Hills.

[@Helmet_Von_Moldy]

Started playing Shogun two because of legend, had it in my library but never bothered to play it

[@george867]

Hey legend, why dont you ever use the unit formation abilities (like the tactics for sharpshooters, or fire by rank/kneel fire for line infantry)

[@iron4517]

now THATS a blood bath

[@trowachess]

They gots some great giant mounds... of hills 😂

[@StPwnerer]

Always love to listen to the pre-battle music in FotS

[@Colty95]

Nice, a skaven army in Shogun 2 :)))

[@Smocaine69]

I just finished a Saga play-through of FOtS. Had twin artillery armies moving east on the north and south of the main island. Each army had 7 gatlings and 6 armstrongs + naval bombardments + general&foreign vet accuracy/reload bonuses. Eventually all my agents and railways were max level too, it was so fun.

[@Exzentriker]

When will we get a Total War map hill tier list?

[@cuqier5889]

The problem with Shogun 2 is how disgustingly accurate are those carabines and artillery. Which make Gatling Guns pointless. Btw. any good mod recomendations?

[@HellRavennn]

2006: we have elephants with cannons vs knights. 2012: we have samurai vs gatlings... 2023: we have more guys in leathure with bronze stuff right after anoter game about guys in leathure with bronze stuff.

[@ellenrochefil8501]

It say was right, it not about number of army but it about strategy and tactics

[@huskyandhdftw]

This was so satisfying

[@tonecruise8277]

Imagine rats with gatling guns.

[@Darthmessiah66]

i have officially concluded that cannons are op in fall of the samurai.

[@jamesanderson5465]

Legend likes Big HILLS and he can not lie.

[@ntluck1592]

That's it, I demand you play a FOS Republic campaign. It would be so damn rad