Morathi Immortal Empires Campaign Review

[@MrParadux]

Morathi is actually supposed to get up to +5 control at 100 Slaanesh corruption, -but it is bugged.- It also grants slave capacity and slaves per turn, but the control is obviously the interesting part. -It does show it in the tooltip, but the effect is not actually applied. When the bug is fixed, hers might then be the strongest Dark Elf faction.- Edit: As noted by BalkothWarcraft, the effect does work. It gets factored into the "faction" part of the provinces control modifiers. So Morathi is probably great for dealing with the Dark Elves control issues.

[@lompelarsknutsen4866]

Pretty sure the +5 public order does work? It did during my last campain a few weeks ago at least. Can’t remember what it said, but the +5 public order wasn’t listed under Corruption as it does with other races.

[@BalkothWarcraft]

It's not bugged. It shows up under "Faction." For example, if you have 10k+ slaves you'll see your "Faction" category is at -1. This is +5 from corruption and -6 from the 10+ slave threshold so -1 total.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

Its a miss print I think. Someone probably copied the text from an early build of slaanesh which used to give control instead of remove it. Either that or Morathi got it in a previous patch but they moved it all to the Witch elf building. Thats where her extras control comes from, and you need it for corruption anyway so they;re probably testing the different options. The witch elf building, torture posts, Rite to Artharti (the Global Control rite) and corruption all adding control would be overkill.

[@MrParadux]

@@BalkothWarcraft You are absolutely correct. I didn't look at it closely enough. Thanks for noting it here.

[@XenophonQ]

Big fan of the way you edited this post!

[@KitchouaTembo]

I love when Legend starts talking about something he hates with reserve and diplomacy, then slowly starts to show his true feeling. It starts as the Dark Elves "having problems" and end up with them being a garbage experience. You can feel his frustration!

[@sokar_rostau]

Also ends up as the longest video in the series. (I wish they were all this long)

[@maxpower3990]

Morathi is one of the most impactful characters in Warhammer Fantasy. She directly or indirectly caused the Sundering, the Elven Civil war, that lead to the War of the Beard that shattered the Dwaven and High Elven power. It was her Witches that taught Nagash Dark Magic so we can also blame her for the all Vampires and Tomb Kings. Bretonnians live in land that was abandoned following the War of the Beard so their whole culture, religion an kingdoms are also her fault.

[@primary2630]

Lol truly a threat beyond imagining if she created Bretonnia

[@martinnolhaf3151]

the Bretonnian Religion is just the Elven Goddess Ladrielle, implemented by the Wood Elves so the Humans would die for their cause. In Essence Bretonnia is completly cucked from the start. A NAtion of Slaves and they love it. Then again, its good to see Humans know their place.

[@bobsalami]

"The problem is her race" - LegendofTotalWar , 2023, shortly before getting canceled.

[@Vandelberger]

I’m pretty sure he also said she was too “Dark,” lol

[@ecargfosreya]

Nice

[@haaton3116]

Dark lives matter! Dark… wait, dark elves have white skin, wtf?

[@coledelahooke809]

RIP legend

[@Grivehn]

Duh, she's pale white.

[@generalanxie]

glad you're covering morathi, i started this campaign a couple of days ago. the delves were my favourite race in wh2 but completely agree with the points about the slave rework in wh3. Doesn't quite make it unplayable but the public order issues on higher difficulty just make it a slog as you get into the campaign. Hoping for a dark elf rework 🙏

[@JB-xl2jc]

I prefer my Morathi content uncovered, personally

[@gangoolie9816]

I completely agree as well. Dark elves were one of my top two played factions in WH2. My suggestions to nerf the clearly OP slave system would have been to increase the public order malus for high slaves and increase the decline rate, plus make it harder to reduce decline rate. The new system is just not good, you're in a vicious cycle of wasting so many slaves to being over capacity for a few turns, then seeing your slave income drop really quickly. It frustrates me so much to see a system that needed tweaks be overhauled in the wrong direction.

[@tlouie3181]

Keep them Coming Legend. After you finish the Immortal Empires, would you consider returning to the 5-10 turn Legendary guides for the Lords with tougher starts?

[@kirkcrawford5091]

I’m with you there. His step by step guides for wh2 were awesome

[@hare6227]

That´s what i miss the most about his streams. Dont get me wrong! I dont want him to suffer from 8 hours stream if he doesnt want to do that. It´s just his experience and tips makes me learn a lot of each campaing and enjoy them more on my own playthrougs.

[@ecargfosreya]

Another idea would be army composition guides. I know how you built your armies in TWWH2 but I don’t know how to use Ted to run your armies in game three

[@sg3481]

Yup first turn guides would be lovely

[@poprostuGuru]

Oh man, I'd love that!

[@pedroluizfreitas4943]

I like how the reviews are getting progressively longer with time. Keep them coming!

[@andrewhendrix2297]

I appreciate you slowing it down and explaining more about the legendary Lord or starting situation in these most recent reviews. 2-3 minutes feels a little rushed, I like hearing more about your opinion on any of their mechanics, starting positions, changes between Warhammer 2 and 3, even any mods you recommend to make a faction or Lord more interesting, etc. Take your time.

[@chapter_brother5437]

2:52 Ofc Mommy Morathi would be fun to use!~

[@fourthspartan5654]

I have no idea what CA was thinking with the Dark Elves. Their mechanics were fine in 2, there was no need to make such drastic changes. And even if there was this was obviously the wrong one. It's just a mess. They really should just go back to square one, revert back to 2's slave system, and go back when they've got a better system.

[@wastedtime9900]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer new slave system is garbage compared to wh2, way less control over slaves, way less rewarding, no true professional slaver experience

[@loowick4074]

@Bill Clinton Enjoyer i don't think the new is THAT bad especially since I was just an "eh..." On the old system. It dint blew me away just another after thought on campaign. If they addressed the slave situation I would like something else rather than reverting too wh2. Because that won't propel the dark elves from a boring and bad faction too an S tier faction like grom or belakor.

[@Slagtheangry]

@juscbhbhuvsdsdvbhjwsdv3843 I kind of like the new system too. People have a lot of complaints about it though which I don't understand. Too much slave decline? I dunno bro, it's pretty easy to get slaves from fighting battles and you do that a lot and very efficiently as the Dark Elves.

[@KazeKoichi]

I don't think their mechanic was ideal in 2, but it was way better then in 3. I agree with Legend: Dark Elves are meant to be played in WH2, unless you want to do Morathi & Slaanesh co-op or something.

[@hansblix4083]

The mechanic was completly OP in warhammer 2. Now it is too bad. We need balance, not just op stuff. Maybe people will remember we play RTS not whack a mole.

[@resileaf9501]

I would expect the Dark Elves to change a little when the Chaos Dwarfs are added. They are themselves a slave faction, so there's a real possibility that their mechanics help in developing the Druchii too.

[@melliflously5058]

hi

[@xyro3633]

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[@PhilipJFry-qh2jg]

"Labor" faction

[@diggytablet]

Well this theory aged like milk.

[@resileaf9501]

@@diggytablet Nah. CA has mentionned in a AMA that they're aware that people don't like how the slave mechanics work and will be looking on how to enhance that experience too.

[@jenkinsguitar]

Such a bummer because DE are super strong on the battlefield and have some great lords. Tragic to have such a terrible campaign system right now

[@TheBarser]

I did a morathi campaign recently, and it was really good.

[@aputin654]

Same, didn't see much issue with PO (L/VH)

[@Outside85]

To add salt to the wound, by time of writing Shadows of Change has been added and to add to Morathi's basic issues... she has had Mother Ostankya (Kislev) added to her immediate back yard, which is a colossal pain in the rear because she loves nothing more than show up with hordes of hybrid missile infantry, which isn't great for the relatively lightly armoured Dark elves. Also while she tends to first wipe out the Dark Elves to the east of Morathi, Ostankya loves to circle around the north and take out the Skaven to the west, so you are very quickly going to be fighting her on two fronts. Which says nothing of her usual issues of Elves from the East eventually coming after you along with Mazdamundi from the south... if Yuan Bo hasn't made his way up to you first... I kinda feel like this campaign would be somewhat easier to manage if the Tyrants Peak region wasn't navigable save to those who can travel by Underway or that like, because it is quite annoying to be stuck with just one region and having to defend it with limited resources and enemies constantly coming at you from different directions.

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

I'm now finding it easier to just get peace with Ssildra Tor ASAP so as to wipe out Ostankya earlier, before she really gets going.

[@cyborgrhinofromspace1108]

I used to love Morathi's campaign in II. Even though it was a tough challenge, you still had a pretty secure corner of the map to fight from. I liked taking my time with corruption and public order etc. Stacking up interns and making bank. I do find the DE hard to play in III. All of them. Can't really say why, but maybe it's as you said about how the changes to their economy and mechanics affect the actual gameplay. Still one of my favourite factions on the battlefield though.

[@worldena3636]

Would love to see a tier list based on the factions/races you personally enjoy the most and why instead of what's best. Keep up the good work!

[@kmanalpha453]

Best part about Morathi...taking a single settlement in Hexoatl or Skeggi, giving it to Hexoatl, and boom now your southern border has a lizard men guard and a defensive ally

[@hostilehabits6170]

Couldn't agree more. A Boris Ursus review would be much appreciated.

[@RaxoFilms]

cant believe hes locked behind a boring gamemode🫤

[@kriegaone3658]

@@RaxoFilms you can use a mod to unlock him

[@HadamacikTheProphet]

Dark elves used to be my favourite race back in WH2 but now I have to agree they got boring. What's worse and nobody is talking about the issue is that the slave mechanic isn't just boring but also unsustainable. In late game you would need to constantly fight battles with many armies each turn to not lose all the slaves in next 2 turns. I can't play them anymore when their core mechanic isn't just boring but outright not functioning properly.

[@Kaylx3]

I would say that I really loved my dark elf campaign not really because of the mechanics but now in Warhammer 3 you are more able to produce more armies with more varied composition. And for that I just really love their rooster and that basically carries the rest

[@Grammann44]

I personally love the dark elves ... on the battlefield. Having 4 rebellions pop up a turn gets pretty damn grating later in the game

[@moldy_lunchbox3213]

There's a mod that gives her faction full access to Slaanesh units. You get redline buffs, some extra skills, and heroes as well. Really fun when combined with a slave overhaul mod that adjusts public order and province building. But yeah, sucks that you need these to make DE more interesting. I really like playing them, it just feels like something is missing.

[@Phoenix-sc6di]

Oh there are several mods for Morathi, that's for sure.

[@jakubs.5966]

I am sorry. I only use graphical mods. Especially [LIG] Reskin - Morathi, Female Deamonettes, Bringers of Beguillment reskin. I was considering some mod to balance out the new introduced bad system..Why the heck they changed something that worked? It sure was overpowered..but you only need to tone it down. It was great system you managed yourself. 'Slaves go here, not here, thanks'. Now it's so annoying and you have to constantly make decision 'sell slaves or what..' jeez.

[@JB-xl2jc]

​@@Phoenix-sc6di I consider those bug fixes. There's some kind of graphical issue that causes her to have clothes in the main game, can't believe that wasn't caught.

[@loowick4074]

@@JB-xl2jc there was a mod that removes her half skirt thing which clips alot and really doesn't cover anything imo.

[@loowick4074]

@@Phoenix-sc6di it's funny that all those mods even the others relating too miao Ying are traced to one guy and his buddies. You think his steam workshop stuff is much? Buddy made me repent for clicking on his nexus page. I do not even want to think what was behind his LL page link

[@eshaan570]

Slave system really went from such a good mechanic that you manage throughout the campaign and is super strategic to this bs lol

[@propagandalf9511]

Dark Elves are my favorite race no matter the setting. Elder Scrolls,, DnD, Warhammer doesn't matter give me my edgy elven boys. That's why i hope they rework them in WH3

[@SereglothIV]

Unpopular opinion: I think undivided corruption was a better fit for Morathi than Slaanesh. Yes, she leads the Cult of Pleasure and that's a Slaanesh thing. But in the lore she made pacts with all the Dark Powers. In The Sundering trilogy alone, we see her talking to a daemon of Tzeentch (which wasn't called by name, but is described as a crow-like being) or casting spells that make her enemies rot and decay during battles.

[@Morris_Minor]

khorne corruption would be better, she is an agent of khaine but dedicated to and friends with slaanesh? found that odd

[@kriegaone3658]

@@Morris_Minor Khaine isnt Khorne

[@TheCabarro]

I actually love Dark Elves, and they are one of my favorite races, but yes, I noticed that in WH3 they became quite boring. Malus is probably the one who got the best deal, because his mechanics in WH2 were so shitty that the best to play him was not play his faction! Lokhir and Rakhart have a fun starting positions, but in the end they become quite bland, Morathi has all the problem you listed, Hellebron too. I really like(d) to play with Malekith, but WH3 made his lack of special mechanics even worse, and I get bored even of playing as Naggarond

[@emib6599]

I played a full campaign in Morathi in warhammer 2. I got in a very early war with high elves, then Taurox and the sister wood elves decided to go to war with me, and even some mixed army, and after 20 turns even the vampire pirate and lizardmen. All the first 60 turns were very intense and about first only surviving, the put up a proper stable defence and economy. (The corruption helped me a lot in bother public order and attrition) Around turn 80 i was collecting all the legendary Lords with confederations, expanding in the north until the edge of the map. Turns 100 i was finally strong enough to actually beat back all the high elves assaults, and i started invading "Ulthuan" Turn 120 i won the campaign. It was actually a satisfying campaign. I think i would like to try her on warhammer 3 but i used mods that give her the same mechanics of Slaanesh factions, to differentiate it a little.

[@magma1lord]

I love the Dark Elves, especially Lokhir.

[@vigil2150]

Would love to see a Boris Ursus campaign review. It's been quite a difficult campaign in my experience.

[@belshanaar6317]

Really nice summary legend!

[@DIY_Miracle]

What's unfortunate is the Dark Elves has probably one of the more fun non magic based unit rosters too. Very high aggression army we wouldn't see until the introduction of Slanesh.

[@alexisdurouchet4021]

i hate how the slave system is right now, i love dark elves but they need to fix this it's so frustrating, from a aggresive race it's really annoying to deal with the rioters constantly. as you mention you can't develop well if you focus on control then you fall behind but if you don't focus on control you have to use your money to have authority armies to deal with it a pain in the ***. i prefer to play them for fast match skirmish than playing the campaign.

[@yankchef4067]

Took your advice on volkmar and it's been one of the best campaigns I've played in twwh 👍🏼

[@rosalina2938]

what I like to do, Is destroy skeggi and sell the city's to Hexoatl. It makes sure the dino stay where they are and don't start giving me problems when I am far away or fighting elves.

[@Oh-Deer-God]

Thanks for covering Morathi! Can you cover Clan Eshin/Snikch next?

[@TailRunnerOPSpec]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about how Alith Anar isn't close to her, SIGNIFICANTLY reducing the difficulty of her campaign. I love the Dark Elves... Morathi was my favorite in 2, but she had easily one of the hardest campaigns. I still love Morathi's campaign lol.

[@mathsru2692]

I've done 2 Malekith campaign runs since release of Immortal Empires, both turned into hard snowballs very quickly. I simply spam the elven trinkets producing building in every city and so long as I win battles and have more slaves than the -x number of slaves per turn I activate the slave bonus passive in all the trinket buildings nearly doubling my income. Apart from that just growth building + public order building everywhere and at least on very hard battle and campaign difficulty settings I have zero issues with snowballing across the map. I only had some struggles with the Exiles Of Nehek starting province with the uninhabitable climate. I do think the slave rework was really mediocre and as far as I experienced it, really abusable for absolutely crazy income numbers in the late game. Numbers far higher than the ones I get with High Elves, Empire, Warriors of Chaos e.t.c (I should note I'm not stacking entrepreneurs for high elves e.t.c). It's just from the video and the comments I got the impression that everyone is actually building slave posts? And not seeing the same income numbers and struggling with the economy/expansion? And presumably trying to balance out their slave income and not have it be like -2000 slaves by turn 100? (Note: There is absolutely 0 penalty for having -2000 slaves per turn whilst sitting at 0 slaves, you cant go into the negative so, so long as you get more of them from battles and have + slaves on the next turn the passive gets activated. Hence, why I think the mechanic rework was pretty bad.) Am I on the same page as everyone?

[@WhyXelsingPlays]

Smart move Legend for doing this review before the upcoming update. They should fix this mechanic for how it was in WHII

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

I don't get what we're doing differently. I've been playing a lot of dark elves recently some on legendary, and today on VH with Morarthi. I've only had one revolt and that was right at the beginning in the skaven infested area. I don't even have any torture posts but think it might be the temples though, House of pleasure etc. Now she has access to Slaanesh's debuff combo playstyle, I have a temple in every main settlement, and I farm the Malicious trait so i can build them for free, but more importantly get high lvl Death Hags. I'm on turn 82 and have only had to usethe diktats twice (again when conquering new settlements). With Slaaneshy corruption perma at 100, it is giving me more control than the other dark elf factions. so if anyone's having trouble, I'd give that a try. You can easily farm malicious traits, and once you have 3 the buildings are free and they only take 1 turn to build. Then on the field its just Witch elves, Sisters of Slaughter, Ex'Daemonettes and ideally some borrowed slaaneshy spawn. Layer them all so that all 4 debuffs hit on impact and just charge screaming at their line. Ai always crumbles .Morathi also has the heart render for further debuffs. With regards to Grey Rock point, I always take that too and you can still stay out of the high elves vision until turn 30-40ish. focus the skaven, push west and then up so you can get Hellebron for the objectiuve, and take Karond Kar on the way down to Ulthuan. I'll give legendary a try tomorrow to see if its any different, but i didnt have revolts with Rakarth and that was on leg. Very odd that we're experiencing such big differences though.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

ah i got it now. Checked it vs my Rakarth Campaign. So with Rakarth (leg) i had 1 toture post in the main settlement for each, with Morathi the temples give you the same control. I mentioned in another comment, its a miss print I think. Someone probably copied the text from an early build of slaanesh which used to give control instead of remove it. Either that or Morathi got it in a previous patch but they moved it all to the Witch elf building. Thats where her extras control comes from, and you need it for corruption anyway so they're probably testing the different options. The witch elf building, torture posts, Sacrifice to Artharti (the Global Control rite) and corruption all adding control would be overkill. You also get at least 1, possibly 2 ancilliaries from the temple, which can be put on heroes rather than Lords (choirmaster)

[@SpectrumSO]

It's easier for Morathi but I really hate how they've changed (or potentially bugged) AI vision in this area. High Elves SHOULD have vision on those Dark Elves and vice versa. Because they don't, you can't build relation against those factions' enemies by fighting them. That's a problem for people who have neutral relations, then you add the Great Power penalties, so you take those settlements from who should be their enemies and get instantly declared on once you get vision if you didn't instantly try to bribe them.

[@NyJoanzy]

I feel like C.A.(and most devs) need to take a page out of Super Giant Games when it comes to difficulty settings. Not only have they found a way to avoid the unevenness of "one size fits all" difficulty, they also have options for weird nonsense that gives new traits to old enemies.

[@chrisjackson1215]

Fair warning: Just wiped out Morathi as Marcus on Legendary by turn 30. I figured i was doing the High Elves a Favour and they would love me - turns out they *hated* me for being expansionist. I suppose that's because they didn't even know Morathi existed.

[@jjyyffee]

Have to say i love these short campaign reviews, and i agree on many of the points made,. But despite their massive drawbacks, the dark elves are still on my top 3 mostly due to how i like to play them and how fun their armies are on the battlefield , but i do hope they get a rework on the slave mecanics and the public order since i play them much less often than i did back in wh2.

[@MarineCARMINE]

My favorite DE faction

[@ac_taylor_15]

May be I'm that few person who actually like DEs and my favorit race and Morathi is my favorit LL. I admit the slave system is boring and need to be change it, but I play on VH and I don't really have big issues with public order it's kinda mannage able even if you conquer fast. By the way this is a good series and most of may favorit LL has been coverd, but I like to see Valkia review.

[@oenkrad9404]

The Total War 3 version of Dark Elves is significantly better. I have had no issues with revolts on VH/VH. If I need to boost a province (typically a red territory), then I could use the public order diktat for +20 a turn for 5 turns. Morathi in particular is great because her Slaanesh corruption at 100 gives: Attrition to non-Chaos worshipping armies, +5 Control, +250 Faction slave capacity, +10 slaves per turn, and +15% income from slaves. If public order is still bad you still have the +4 commandment, +8 global boost rite, the public order building with Witch Elves that you will be building everywhere anyways, up to +8 from having lower public order, and the followers for loads of public order. He also forgot to mention the plus sides of the new slave mechanic, which are pretty significant. The bonuses/penalties cap at 10k+ slaves, but they are: -4 construction time to all buildings, -25% construction cost of all buildings, -6 public order all provinces, and +20% income to all buildings (factionwide). You can build remarkably fast and make so much money. I run a hero stack on Morathi and while that's not something you'll do with all armies, that stack provides so much public order that by the time she finishes conquering a province it's in the positives or at +100. Adjusting the public order penalty for slaves could probably be adjusted by 1 or 2, but that's all it would need. The thing I like about Morathi is she has a unique playstyle due to her personal and factionwide designs. She also has a fun starting position now where can you really choose how you want to start off the campaign. She doesn't have a fancy screen for mechanics like Throt or Nurgle, but everything is just worked through her faction on a thread-like level. One of the best factions in the game from a design standpoint.

[@ChanceC77]

I've been playing Lokir Fellheart, and I feel the pain that Legend is describing. The whole slave mechanic is just a pain in the ass now. Also I was incredibly disappointed when I discovered that Karond Kar's unique building is just a weaker version of the slave capacity building. I was really hoping that going through all the trouble of taking out Alith Anar and building up this far-flung city would provide a meaningful bonus and maybe almost redeem the slave mechanic. Nope.

[@armyofone5904]

she's muh queen.

[@lastround2357]

I'm still planning wh2 to this day it's way more fun than 3 and as i said before dark elves need some good mechanics but they were always my fav race to play

[@paulcases2646]

Dark elves were my favorite race in WH2, I played them more than all other (and without using the agent cheesing stuff I didn't even think of doing that). But now with the new slave mechanics it became a pain with too much micromanagement. I still love how they play in battle, for me it's still one of my favorite faction, I just hope they will get a better slave system with time.

[@Adjusting1]

The videos are getting longer and longer. First ones were 2min long now 8min. I like it Waiting for Skrag and Arkhan

[@KazeKoichi]

Waiting for 10 min video.

[@JJ-up1dx]

I'm going to be sending you a disaster campaign later. I have had nothing but BS I have had to deal with since I started the campaign and it has not improved. Hopefully it makes the cut and helps get you some content.

[@BalkothWarcraft]

If he doesn't take it on I'd be interested in taking a stab at it.

[@chriswhitefield3026]

I love shades. I agree that DE have some annoying mechanics, but they have some of the coolest troops

[@ValtheJean]

This pretty much sums up my experience with her. I keep thinking "Oh neat, her slaanesh corruption improves the slave mechanic, that should be fun!" and then get into a game and it's just....so god damn boring. I hate the new slave system so badly. I don't know why CA felt the need to dramatically change so many things from WH2. All they needed to do was just bring the WH1/2 races into 3 and it would have been better than what we've got here.

[@leo-paulgrain3832]

"All they needed to do was just bring the WH1/2 races into 3 and it would have been better than what we've got here." : so you would say that Norsca was better in WH1 and 2 when they couldn't settle inland ? The changes on slave mechanics are bad but i think overall most of the changes where needed.

[@ValtheJean]

@@leo-paulgrain3832 Norsca was worse because of the supply lines issue. With the new diplomacy/alliance system, not being able to settle on every place of the map was far less frustrating to me. And the slave mechanic isn't the only change that I disagree with, it's just the only one that's relevant to the video.

[@zhiphius]

Oh that explained really well why the slave mechanic sucks. CA really did not think that "revamp" through did they. I like the dark elves, but i have to agree with the slave mechanic. They just haven't gotten it right. Not in WH2 nor in WH3.

[@iamsoroushet]

I don't know! I play on legendary difficulty but I don't get many revolts and tbh it's way easier to get really strong with dark elves by turn 50!

[@Rukdug]

All the penalties from having slaves means that I actively avoid taking slaves unless I can get a new black ark, and in Lokhir's case, I basically try to not get any slaves at all. I would literally rather be broke (or more accurately, be able to afford fewer stacks) than deal with the absolute tedium of dealing with the control penalties. Hell, at low control, all your slaves run away anyways, so having one bad control province leads to massively draining the slaves that the rest of your empire needs. So freaking frustrating.

[@majormoolah5056]

Young bucks are swarming Alarielle... but experienced gentlemen know that Morathi is the one you want.

[@Jenda-dp9ls]

Great review Legend ;) Make Alarielle the Everqueen next please

[@geherrit1989]

I recently started a Hellebron campaign. With Warhammer 2 i felt that her mechanic was a waste of slaves because stacking them at the beginning is difficult. With Warhammer 3 i´m almost always at the max slave capacity, so spamming her mechanic and getting op Armies was actually really good. So far i would say that hellebron is better in wh3 than in wh2

[@helenline1790]

Yeah I've never liked the Dark Elves. They've always been boring to me ever since warhammer 2. Even playing as LF which was the lord most people recommended, was still a boring slog to get through. In my opinion, they need a rework or something significant changed to their slave mechanic to make it less passive.

[@carlvongoes4167]

Legend, as u know the answer is as always SFO

[@whereswally8695]

Best part of Morathi is the +5 Public Order at 100% Slaanesh Corruption

[@ShrympyRS]

I really liked Dark Elves in Wh2, but haven't enjoyed them in Wh3 but enver really could pin-point exactly what annoyed me. But you completely nailed it legend, there mechanics are just annoying af to deal with.

[@terlondre]

As Morathi, i usualy keep city of quintex and Ashen Coast province. In the south i make skegi a military ally and same with Bleak Holds to the east. They make a good buffer for invasions and i dont have to care for rebelions. I leave one lord to babysit my province for uprisings and just take Morathi to the sea with black ark, playing it more like a horde faction. Roaming around and putting to torch whatever i fancy. This is no way to win the campaing but imo its more fun. Dark elves and their armies are my favorite but I don`t like their campaigns and i dont like Naggaroth and Lustria areas that much either

[@ControlledRage]

Certain mods make Morathi really fun to play. :)

[@partizannen1]

I like dark elves. Playing as Morathi right now on very hard, public order was never a big issue. I have 10k+ slaves, slave markets everywhere, and it is not a problem at all. No busywork, nothing, developed provinces are just fine, no revolts.

[@Keln02]

Every vid just makes me increasingly nostalgic of TW WH2... Can't we just have a mod to import the AI?

[@nonesuch6833]

The good news for Morathi is, they fixed the public order problems. Dark Elves are fine to play on harder difficulties now. The bad news for Morathi is, Ostankya now exists.

[@boomerix]

She was annoying as hell. Shortly before I wiped her out she pulled Tyrion and Alarielle into the war just to spite me.

[@samuelcooper3664]

I do agree that Morathi in WH2 is much harder, and I like the dark elf economy better in WH2, but have those extra levels for in WH3 is nice since she has so many skills to pick. Also, I like how I'm not getting attacked from all side right off the bat in WH3 since dark elf garrisons are pathetic.

[@rubenandersen1773]

Would love to see High Queen Khalida next

[@FreeMoter]

Dont REALLY understand why they changed the slave mechanic. In WHII it was a lot of fun!! You could grow tall in a few provinces or do the hell you want. It could be cheasy but what the hell it was superfun. They could have tweaked it a bit and didnt touch it much.

[@victorsmith8699]

I think very fun dark elvs campain is the one you get for buying shadow and blade you get to play with monster pens you can get hydras for raiding feral wywern and other monster all of your monster super strong and the legendary lord is fun to play

[@LordBeff]

Hey Legend, you see in this and in the last few videos you pack some information so that these videos are useful. At the beginning videos were like 2/3 mins and had barely any information, maybe that's why these reviews are getting more popular as they get better.

[@Boingy420]

Kinda hard to turn down that Malus run you offered a few weeks back. In Warhammer 2, the best confederation I can get with the Dark Elves, was a pathetic lvl30. All the Legendary Lords had butchered builds. But because of your Turn 1 Blitz tactic with Malus, I was able to clear out every enemy near every Dark Elf Legendary. And with a save friendly Confederation Mod to boot that lowers the AI's resistances to Confedding, I was able to Confederate every single Dark Elf Legendary Lord at lvl5. They just had nothing.

[@dye7]

This is the only one so far that I disagree with Legend about. Marathi's campaign is incredibly fun. The slave mechanic was better in WH2, without a doubt. But it's not horrible here except for super late game. The key is to play incredibly aggressive with many armies. You can get a ton of money from their basic income building. If you want ro cheese the mechanic, leave a single settlement skaven enemy alive - skaven give double the slaves of other races. The key to managing public order is to max out technologies, then blast the +20 PO dictat after you finishing conquering a whole province. They have all the tools to manage PO, you just need to use them. As others have mentioned, the only serious problem is late game when you can literally burn through so many slaves in a turn that it's impossible to keep up. If they added a late game tech that reduced slave attrition from the income building by 50% this would be solved.

[@sorkvild1473]

Legend of Total War: "The problem is her race" 🙃

[@JustChatta]

its like they wanted you to farm revolts for money, experience and slaves... but the entire system backfired heavily by you not having any means to stop revolts easily

[@bathroomlew]

Public order for the Dark Elves probably won't be fixed since the majority plays on Normal, and since majority doesn't see the problem - it doesn't exist.

[@ORO323]

I really enjoyed playing the dark elves and learning their slave mechanics in wh2. But after nerfing them in wh3 I rarely play them at all now 😢

[@thebackup2121]

Hey bud, are you able to review Zhao Ming next, please? It's my favourite so far and I'd appreciate some tips

[@AspectPL]

My bottom 5 races are Ogres, Nurgle, Dark Elves, Vampire Coast and Daniel's Daemons

[@Colston3]

Even if the Dark Elves had better mechanics they would still be one of the least popular races, they always have been especially on Tabletop, etc. They have never had mainstream appeal for whatever reason.

[@Jokester-rd3lt]

I’ve never been a big fan of legendary difficulty to me it’s more stressful then enjoyable. Personally on hard or very hard i really don’t mind the dark elf setup I think its manageable.

[@posthumor2097]

u can tell Legend dispises the Dark Elves cause he propably didnt even play a single turn of her campain. if u conquer "Grey Rock Point" u actually dont encounter the High elves cause the sea region doesnt stretch all the way to ulthuan. if im wrong and its just a minor error im sorry Legend!

[@pogo8050]

01:10 except Mazdamundi. Who ended up being my bestie for quite some time

[@zacharybecker8228]

with the chaos dwarf labor mechanic coming out i hope they do something similar for the dark elves

[@Valivali94]

I find it pretty interesting that so many people hate the dark elves, they are my second favourite race after the rat bois. But I have to agree that for no damn reason CA made them way worse in WH3. Still love the style, units and gameplay on the battlefield though. Nothing like a shades stack boosted beyond recognition.

[@christopherboye5498]

They should have made the slave system more interactive, not less so. The spreadsheet system needed more things going for it, like certain races giving you certain buffs and/or debuffs. This would incentivize the player to travel across the world to seek out certain races to enslave according to their needs. This diktats system is even less interactive than what we got before and just completely uninteresting. The new slave system honestly feels like a TW: Warhammer 1 mechanic at the moment in how simplified it is.

[@phillipcrook3424]

I know you probably are doing these in whatever order you want, but please Lokhir soon 😁

[@aputin654]

The Mother...

[@SergeantSon]

Druchii in wh2 made me like elves in any fantasy for the first time and was my main faction. Now i cant bring myself to play them in wh3. You are absolutely right on Druchii being very powerfull race stuck with a garbage mechanic. It is the worse combination. DEs reach their potential in like turn 40 ffs. It is so boring.

[@LordPratticus]

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[@stampsu]

So is the Excel spreadsheet management gone? Tried to get into DE in WH2 and really hated that mechanic

[@jamesmcdonald1108]

The only other races that don't feel quite right are the Bretonians and the empire- the empire more mechanics and tech tree wise at least. Those three races need a fix, and others Cathay, ogres and Kislev need more content

[@pronumeral1446]

Daniels faction needs a minor rework. His body parts should provide more buffa and more interesting ways to play. And the 4 Daemon factions don't need more units but they do need FLC lords

[@PatSlovak]

Dark elves were my favorite race in WH2 ... Played a single DE campaign in WH3, haven't touched them since. What a shame CA ruined the race. Should have just nerfed the eco from WH2, but kept it the same.

[@shareintheview]

my VH campaign with Malekith on wh3 has been one of my highlight campaigns. While I would prefer to have the old slave mechanic, maintaining lands wasn't that hard in the later game? All your armies are on black arcs too so public order buildings n money etc are fine

[@datuputi777]

Warhammer 2 druchii is like proper rival to he.

[@GraveGhoul04]

if you could change dark elves what would you do @legendoftotalwar?

[@AspectPL]

I'd really want to see a 1v1 duellist tier list, I've done one myself and I wonder if yours would be different.