LEGENDS OF THE OLD WEST | Apache Wars Ep1: “Red Sleeves”

LEGENDS OF THE OLD WEST presented by Black Barrel Media. Over the course of two centuries, the Apache rise to become the dominant raiding society in the land that will soon become the American states of Arizona and New Mexico. The Apache battle the Spanish empire, and then the new nation of Mexico, and finally begin a decades-long conflict with the United States. In the process, the first great Apache leader of the 1800s gains fame: Mangas Coloradas.
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[@bradjames6411]

I was amazed to see this and the name Red Sleeves or known as Mangus Colorados. As a boy in NM his great great great grandson was my best friend. When my family came to OK shortly later his family also came with an oil company. I lived in Moore and he in Norman where we still got see each other. Later his mother, Ruby Darrow, became one of the principle elders of the Apache in OK and the White Mtn Apache in the state. I never forgot the tales told by his mother of the tribe in the 1800's and the Chirichaua and Mescolaro.

[@procopiojrpalacios9702]

His name was Mangas Coloradas, Spanish for "red sleeves."

[@ChibiPanda8888]

So cool.

[@wdb3110]

I wish I could have heard her stories.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

When I was a Postal driver many years ago I saw two pig hunters eating lunch at the General store/ Post office. They had solid red pig blood up to their elbows and hadn't washed their hands. They maybe had wiped their palms and were eating meat pies. Two large pigs were hanging on their truck and had dogs caged. 'Red sleeves' had been knifing Mexicans.

[@louie6093]

God bless their souls I’m Mexican but I love the Indian culture, I love the people they were, I respect their courage and bravery, may god always bless those warriors and families that died at the hands of their adversaries

[@lindabeal5353]

HAHAHAHAHA. MEXICANS ARE NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALSO!!! WHY? NATIVE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE FROM ALASKA TO ARGENTINA!!! WE BELONG TO THE AMERICAN CONTINENT!!! MY ANCESTORS WERE APACHE.

[@officialVozie100]

@@lindabeal5353 yes im apache and aztec im just as apache as i am nahua and yes we are one people apacheria extended in texas thru arizona including northern mexico

[@officialVozie100]

We never lost the war either dont believe the lie without apache acouts the us army would of lost tremdously

[@aMFm_]

@@officialVozie100 preach!

[@asupremechieften]

I AM AN ORIGINAL LAND OWNER! IF YALL ALSO NEVER HAD SURRENDERED TO THE GOVERNMENT AND CORRUPT MILITIA LIKE THIS COMMENT!!!!

[@ChaddyMack]

We Apaches called ourselves "N'Dee" NOT "DINE." Thats navajo

[@ewellfossum]

Actually it's Nde just like it looks....

[@chrisminblkdiamond]

I wonder how many know that Cochise’ grandson used to fly warplanes in WW1 and a bomber in WW2. He said he was 45 when he was 60 in WW2 so he could fly. Let that soak in a while.

[@brycepardoe658]

That's AMAZING! What a powerful bloodline that is

[@MothaLuva]

It soaked in ok. What is troubling is that he probably flew them against the wrong people.

[@catdaddy3302]

Who was he? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ApacheKidd]

People seem to think this happened a long time ago.. For us Apaches our history in San Carlos Arizona is not long.. For many of us, the traditional ways of life and wars didn’t end until the 1920’s..

[@ChibiPanda8888]

That's pretty cool!

[@wesleyswaters8643]

I live in the South East corner of New Mexico, and my mountains here are the last of the Rocky Mountain Range, its not rare to find Apache camps, and lots of artifacts, I love my stomping ground. Historically rich, and not disrespected by stealing artifacts. Its a blessing to take my kids to Apache Camps that my dad took me too. Its rare to literally get to learn by hands on, and actual real arrow heads, and pottery that was used by the likes of Geronimo and his band of warriors.

[@wdb3110]

That would be the Guadalupe Mountains, an Apache stronghold and sanctuary from when the Commanche pushed them across the Pecos River.

[@trashiestpotato673]

He sat at our table. Big chief has spoken

[@jamesmetzler2031]

I absolutely love these legends. I can't get enough of American history, and one of my favorite subjects is the American west. Thank you so much for all your hard work in producing this series. It is truly an American treasure.

[@leongossett5691]

Love this series. Please keep up the great work on The Apache Wars.

[@24408167]

Apache legends , even after all this time we still talk of the Apache

[@wild_west_hippie]

Just found this podcast and it’s awesome

[@prophetesssunshinegoddess3598]

Me too

[@jacksano369]

And now again history repeats itself. Only now it's the conservative whites that are hunted .genocide is coming again.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

@@jacksano369 . You mean..5000 troops are out searching for a war party of conservative whites ?

[@jessecaldwell4195]

😄

[@pundamilia1191]

Judging from all I've read and studied concerning the Apache people, this narrative is honest and truthful.. Very good series I only wish there were more pictures to go along with it.

[@andrewmckeown6786]

The Spartans. The Apache. My military idols as a young man. Super Humans

[@moritztabor7804]

@DUZTEM DE7IL Lol what? The spartans never existed? That was a dumb statetment man. There is so much evidence from their existence

[@moritztabor7804]

@DUZTEM DE7IL And what are Ndee?

[@moritztabor7804]

@DUZTEM DE7IL The Indians who fought bow and arrow and lived i tents got exterminated. Dosnt look like so great warriors to me but ok 😁

[@moritztabor7804]

@DUZTEM DE7IL You didnt even wrote down your history lol😭😭😭😂😂

[@andreajewett1125]

Wow. The comments! 😳🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeramiekerns1753]

Thanks for sharing these historic narratives. 👊🏾

[@timcooper7845]

I love real history..

[@psalmsurfer1]

What's real history?

[@bryybreoo5395]

It’s great podcast ! Thanks for the explained, now I understand about Apache history, I’ve been read about Apache tribe on google because my curiosity, and your podcast really help me

[@scottyg.4199]

Very good & informative. Thanks.

[@ojarrid]

Love this podcast

[@prophetesssunshinegoddess3598]

Me too

[@tobingallawa3322]

Thank you interesting story and well told. I think I am already subscribed after seeing something else y'all produced

[@brino7900]

Awesome thanks for this

[@windwalker8058]

And they called the Apache inhuman! Mans inhumanity to man.

[@colinmacdonald2839]

The only problem to me was and still is $100 for a human life in 1840 ????

[@minpros3049]

Difference between wild dogs and show ponies. Inhuman was a compliment

[@TheBarrwen]

Native Americans where straight up warriors

[@glasair38sr]

Roger that. Had it not been for Samuel Colt, the Comanche would likely own North America right now. Once I read ‘Empire of the Summer Moon’, I was hooked on reading anything I could find on Indian tribes / cultures / wars. Def the OG Badasses.

[@glasair38sr]

Reading ‘The Frontiersmen’ now. Even more graphic. They didn’t F around.

[@christophersmith2871]

Why did they lose then? Lol

[@glasair38sr]

@@christophersmith2871 See above. One Samuel Colt ;-). Workin’ smarter...not harder. Hehe.

[@jlo1044]

Are brother are no past tense here :)

[@Ozgipsy]

Good stuff guys. Thanks.

[@goldrush49]

Damn these are so good

[@ewellfossum]

I'm also descended from US Chiricahua Apache scouts Charles Martine Sr and Guydelkon.

[@baruchmaneke6576]

Thank you for sharing

[@chrislouden6702]

The Apache wars didn't end with Geronimos surrender, they continued to raid until the 1930s

[@wdb3110]

Yes, they definitely did, just as you said!

[@ewellfossum]

Yes the Chiricahua and San Carlos and even Mescaleros were raiding in the early 1900s

[@ewellfossum]

Chiricahua from Mexico anyways, my grandmother Evelyn Martine was the last Chiricahua Apache born in US captivity in 1912.

[@wdb3110]

@@ewellfossum, I was stunned to learn this. Another example of historical facts being omitted from history.

[@wdb3110]

@@ewellfossum, thank you for sharing this!

[@samuelholden35]

N'dee is what we WMAT members use and I believe that's what we used in what I'm told by elders

[@catdaddy3302]

Good video. I wish it had more photos though.

[@battleelf6523]

THANK YOU, THIS LED ME DOWN A RABBIT-HOLE OF BLOOD MERIDIAN, THE GLANTON GANG, JUDGE HOLDEN, SAMUEL THE KID CHAMBERLAIN.

[@painmt651]

Such a sad waste of human life. All war is tragic. May the warriors of the People rest. May the women and children who were slaughtered be at peace. We must learn to forgive, but never forget. It is only through forgiveness that we can find peace. Hatred is self destructive. Vengeance is in God’s Hand, and I pray that I will always leave it therein, amen.

[@InfamousGUNN]

My name is Morrie Thomas Geronimo McMullin and my great grandmother watched him die in Fort sill and are from Oklahoma I am named after him we are Cherokee From the trail of tears he was God to my great grandmother and a savior/martyr😞.

[@colinmacdonald2839]

Your name like mine holds a diary into our past

[@gabrielpadilla4533]

I'm a decendant of one of Geronimo's siblings. My Grandmother's father, uncle and her never were relocated to a Rez. They had to evade the repercussions of the Apache Wars still in the 1930 & 40s. I/We still live in the Soñoran desert.

[@procopiojrpalacios9702]

@@gabrielpadilla4533 Sonoran Desert...

[@ewellfossum]

@@gabrielpadilla4533 many of our Chiricahua Apache people stayed in Mexico, my late grandmother related a story from 1986 when many Chiricahua Apache from Mescalero traveled to the Sierra Madre hideouts used 100 years before. She said she heard a grandmother speaking to her young grandchild in a Chiricahua dialect, my grandmother told her we are Chiricahua and we have come to see our people here in Mexico. The lady was scared and pushed her young one inside and closed the door.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

@@ewellfossum history is quite close really. My wife's grandmother told me about bushrangers ( Australian highwaymen) visiting her family. My mother in law said no, they only visited. Later we found out a girl in her family had actually married one and had kids.

[@michaelduncan2151]

Tanto, Kiowa, Chirichaua, Jicarilla, Mescalero , Membranes, Bedonkohe, Nednis, White Mountain, San Carlos, Cebecue, Lanero, Coyotero, Airavipa , Havasupi, Pinal , Lipan , These are a few Tribes & Bands I remember....Geronimo passed on 2-17-1909 my birthday....!!!! VERY Pragmatic....Unbelievably Resourceful, Great Warrior's, The Ultimate Survivor's....The Apache Mexican War was 200 years of Unsurpassed Blood Letting....!!! The Mexicans killed Geronimo's Whole Family...Which turned him into the man he was...!!!! Goyanthlay... "He Who Yawns"...!!!

[@kathleensaintesteben]

A la mémoire de mon époux adoré mort en Irak. Il était un Apache Chiricahua descendant direct des derniers braves à se rendre avec Geronimo. Il est mort en brave en défendant sa terre les USA🇮🇪🇺🇸🇫🇷💫. Mais je ne me sens pas seule, car je sais que son esprit veille sur moi… et plus que tout, il m’a fait le plus beau des cadeaux avant de partir : une jolie petite fille. Il ne le savait pas et moi non plus, ma grossesse étant à ses débuts… Ce que les européens ont fait aux indiens d’Amérique est un GENOCIDE ni plus ni moins !!! Mais de cela, personne ne parle !! Tuer des innocents pour leur voler leurs terres ancestrales… Honte à eux !! 🇮🇪🇺🇸🇫🇷💫😑

[@danavenzor1169]

Pretty sure my grampa came through Mexico to Texas. I know I have native and Spanish roots but not sure what tribe. Thank you for posting!

[@judithcampbell1705]

Thank you for this history lesson. ❤. Very interesting. It is heartbreaking to know how many Indian people were killed. Sorry, but I'm the lady who has always rooted for the Indian to win, but they never did.

[@Hualapai702]

My grandpa is Jicarilla & Chiricahua Apache

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

Awesome..now is time to have victory in the new wars..it will be victory for even enemies

[@jonnyboi068]

God bless all my native brothers and sisters.

[@johnshields6852]

In my neighborhood growing up, a lot of streets were Indian names, Boston area, Massachusetts actually means, rolling hills, which is an accurate term for my area, born in 1960 I grew up very aware that the land wasn't ours really, to this day I still live here but always felt that I'm intruder in a way, my respect for Indians is at Nth degree, I don't know how to feel about it because I'm also proud of the colonists who helped defeat the British, my realities who fought in all the wars, from WW1 to Vietnam. Respect the land.

[@lauranicholls9421]

Thanks for sharing. I love. The apaches. And I regard. Geronimo as a real. Hero. And a. Braveheart. I think the. American. Government. Are. Beyond evil. Thanks for sharing. ☀️

[@hankworden3850]

N.i.c.e.f.u.c.k.i.n.g.se.n.t.enc.e.s.t.r.uct.u.re.d.u.m.b.f.u.c.k.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

I saw two pig hunters with 'red sleeves' buying and eating lunch at a General store/ Post Office years ago. They had dogs and two large pigs on their truck. I saw in a movie, the Apache's hiding under sand and when the cavalry was on top of them they jumped up and knifed the cavalrymen.

[@nephilimivritt8216]

a great people

[@dtrapbai9030]

Geronimo. The man of my Nde.

[@ronaldarenal2314]

It was the Mexican government that put the bounty 200.00 for men 100.00 for the women and 50.00 for the children I'm lipan Apache of Texas we were fighting Mexican and American government we're still here still struggling with colonial genocide love my Apache people...

[@charlieredeemed]

My great great grandfather fought with Geronimo.

[@robertreisner6119]

The Apache Native originated in the far dark and gloomy Forrest in the extreme northwest. They spoke athapaskan based language. They were warlike tribe that considered all other native as enemies, they were warriors until the end of their freedom in the late 1800's. This was the only lower 48 tribe that originated from southeast Alaska.

[@ewellfossum]

Your mistaken, it's us Apaches and the Navajo people whom are both descended from the Athabaskan tribes of the Northwest, as we speak nearly the same language.

[@jeromeluna7495]

Very Interesting does anyone have any info about Cuchillo Negro ???

[@officialVozie100]

Im 100% native american mainly Apache Aztec Kickapoo Purepecha (chiricahua mescalero) i love my nde people we have 100 thousand years of history thru alaska new mexico we are true americans we are still unconqeured because without apache scouts we would of defeated the us army and we did believe it or not apaches continued raiding until 1960 we the truest americans there are

[@bubbazametti2292]

WRONG The ones the Chiricahua called N de or just people had a name they are the ones the buffalo soldiers 1877 a highly trained kick murder squad of black men came for the ones they had to get rid of at all cost . The N de started the war with Spain 1775 after they [spain] thought they had drove the band to extinction so they could build The Presidio Santa Cruz de Terrenate but had to evacuate by 1780 because the modern spanish soldiers were no match for this band of other-worldly ghost Apache you could not see,find or kill. The one's the Chiricahua called just N de .the ones who are at the place you can listen to the god's. my home . Hua Che a

[@user-gl9zg2iu1d]

apache, flasher

[@albertvejil363]

Am Grandmother was pure Apache Indian from New Mexico

[@MothaLuva]

23:45 So, he WAS seen again. Just in a bit different state.

[@ewellfossum]

Mangas Coloradas and Victorio were also my great great great grandfather's and Ruby Darrow was related to my grandmother Evelyn Martine. Evelyn was the last Chiricahua Apache prisoner of war born in captivity in 1912.

[@israv7993]

Mangas Colorado

[@charlesbullghost5491]

Bigfoot's minneaconjou Lakota ghost dancers had their pictures taken in October of 1890. Two months later they all be killed at the wounded knee massacre December 29. 1890 also with thier pictures on the frozen bloody ground. Ending the last Indian wars on a burial moment on the frozen great plains of south Dakota January 1. 1991.

[@goosegander3747]

#proudboys

[@HarlynReynald]

I AM NAVAJO AND HUICHOL NATIVE AMERICAN

[@pattodd4479]

From. The. Grsves. They. Still. Speak. They. Speak. Truth. None. With. A. Forked. Tongue. May. They. Rest. In. Peace. As. Others. Take. Uo. The. Battles.

[@andresmora5192]

THE APACHES ARE FROM MEXICO 🇲🇽 NOT FROM THE UNITED STATES 🇺🇲 When we hear about the Apaches, we tend to think of them as an indigenous people that belongs to the United States. However, the Apaches congregated different ethnic groups that extend from northern Mexico to the southern United States (Mexican Territory annexed by the United States). In reality, Chihuahua and Sonora are the cradle of the Apaches, in those states they are recognized as originating from those lands. A recent study returns Mexicanity to the origins of the ethnic group, which was believed to be US-American, the cradle of this group is in the northern Mexican states, according to the book by researcher Manuel Rojas. "Apaches: ghosts of the Sierra Madre".

[@12floz67]

Who cares? They got their ass handed to them just like the rest of them.

[@ewellfossum]

I'm a half blooded Warm Springs Chiricahua Apache and had my mother's DNA tested, she has descendants in Chihuahua and other places in Mexico. Yes we roamed all of Northern Mexico and had very good relations with towns like Janos, Tres Castillas and such it was the Mexican army that fucked that up.

[@ciscoterres717]

The name mangas coloradas is properly pronounced with a's like in "ball", not like in "bass". I think its called "long vowels" for some reason.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

Americans don't speak properly.

[@MFourtySeven]

The best assassins in the world.

[@MyTownDrunk]

So much historic ancestry in the comments .

[@dakotatelles3483]

That boy was my grad grad grad Uncle felix telles

[@garrywagner7717]

What happen to the native Americans is happening to all Americans now. I don't know who's in charge , but its not Americans.

[@cyraxkkcb2mo10]

Yup thru vaccines

[@bobbyc7929]

WE ARE ALL INDIANS NOW BWHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@charlieredeemed]

I'm part Apache.

[@matthewmann8969]

Apaches were not giving patches

[@100MileRonin]

My people beat the Apache and the Comanche in the end.

[@jeffhoward553]

The question is this, how hard would you fight for your home, we have modern example the Ukraine’s

[@redtobertshateshandles]

A little bit different. The Indians were/ are suffering genocide. Ukrainian issue is politics.

[@gabrielpadilla4533]

The name is N'Dai. Sort of like backwards Navajo.

[@ApacheKidd]

The Apaches didn’t go by “Dine” at that time.. We went by “The People” but we all had different ways of saying it.. Such as Nne, Nde etc.

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

Well..only one BEN HURRrr is in the comment section

[@heavinhellandearth5309]

North west south east go north Before us after us for internity no matter what apostlic God and the devil Jesus Christ name amen

[@markbrown375]

Brig. Gen. Stand Watie (CSA) principal Chief Native American Slave ownership Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, Seminole "Five Dollar Indian"

[@chiricahuasailing1690]

Hay the peebles didn't make choco canyon. I am watching apache ep1 wars and the Anasazi built that the most evil people to ever live by word of the Navajo. Also as you probably know died out over the extreme heat of the 12th and 13th century.

[@KernowekTim]

These warriors were fierce and cunning fighting men, but just think how much more deadly were the Nermernuh, who, in some instances exterminated complete Apache tribes as they ethnically cleansed them. The Nermernuh terrorised the Apache, and all peoples within their sphere, save their Kiowa friends..They were the true Lords of the Southern Great Plains.

[@MothaLuva]

Shouldn’t Red Sleeves be Mangas Rojas in Spanish..? Mangas Coloradas is Painted Sleeves, no?

[@keikialoha8626]

All I knew from family is that we were related to Geronimo. Now with DNA and the family name Telles, we discovered we are descendants of Mickey Free and not Geronimo.

[@ewellfossum]

He was hated by many Chiricahua because he told so many lies along with scout Chato

[@pandacookie6503]

People say savages no they were skilled and smart native American Indians that's why the US government took that away now they want money and say we don't want to work People took are children that was are life are families to work for are selves

[@unknownperson3649]

Sounds like Prescott Bush trading with enemy act.

[@heavinhellandearth5309]

Before after me internity no matter what apostlic God and the devil and Jesus Christ name amen

[@favidhamilton-fr5sm]

Imagine what they smelled like no deodorant, no soap old clothes!!

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

I`ve heard Comanches were worse torturers even than the Apaches

[@isaacjmilligan]

The Apache were more fierce.

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

@@isaacjmilligan All cruel buggers mate

[@redtobertshateshandles]

@@waynemcauliffe2362 LOL.

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

@@redtobertshateshandles Wouldn`t like any of them to skin me in the day

[@ewellfossum]

You are correct, we only mutilated people after they were dead, these are stories told me by my late great grandfather who along with his wife, Lillian Mangas, were prisoners of war in Florida, Alabama, and finally Ft Sill Oklahoma.

[@johnrice1943]

Mangus coloradus isn't Spanish for red sleeves lol

[@rickkinki4624]

Mangas Coloradas. The correct spelling is important.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

Then what is it ?

[@isaacjmilligan]

Mangas Coloradas translates to Red Sleeves

[@benjamindouglas862]

Spoiler alert: it ends in an Anglo 👊 'in!!!

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

What does that signify ?

[@bretthaws4545]

Lame

[@kneedeepinbluebells5538]

Hmm - Sounds Like The Apache Lived By Violence, Terror And Theft, Until It Was Visited Upon THEM By Others ...

[@psalmsurfer1]

Like Comanche

[@lauranicholls9421]

They were only trying to protect their land and family’s. I would have done the same. I honour them for it. For not just rolling over and. Taking it. Stand up for your life is rare now. Nobody’s got the. Guts to do it

[@michaelkurz9067]

I love a good scalp

[@Bonzi_Buddy]

His nephew claimed his last words that were he should have never stopped fighting but I doubt this very much. It basically means that reflecting back he would have preferred to be dead on a battlefield 20 years prior instead of the death of an old man.

[@frankspencer-zk6ef]

Everyone else has a homeland?. Apart from Americans, Israelis and Kurds? Isn't that strange? Maybe that's why the Americans don't like Nationalism or even understand what Patriotism really is? That actually makes perfect sense. Because patriotism comes from the heart, it's a love of one's country and all the good things your country stands for. Well, really, in all real terms, how can any American person ever feel that love in their hearts for home and country, when they actually, in all real terms, don't have one. So who are these people? LOL.

[@raulpolaco1105]

Ohh I mean so called Americans

[@McDanielRanch]

He was not the last of the apache hold outs look up the bronco apache

[@patrickbush9526]

Unbelievable they could survive in that heat in leather and long-sleeved coats. Imagine working in a copper mine after being scalped, 🫵🤯💨🧠🔪

[@user-gl9zg2iu1d]

indian to american

[@devilslawyer1646]

great radio show, too bad this is a video format

[@davidiclineage3767]

Hey to all the native Americans in the comment section serious question did you know the original American Indians were reclassified as colored in the American census with the racial integrity act in the mid to late 19th century well my question is assuming we all know who the colored people of America are by now Id hope but if this was happening to my people what was going on with you guys at this time in America were you also reclassified as colored and negro?

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

No..we are not African Americans..or Hebrews..or Welsh..or any other people who identity thieves make up.

[@davidiclineage3767]

@@creaturecaldwell9858 Well seeing what I said above is actually documented and recorded in history this happen to my people basically we were the American Indians being reclassified as colored and negro and you admit this never happen to you or your people which in admission is saying your not the original American indian so the question stands..? Who are you and your people really?

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

@@davidiclineage3767 . No..basically you're a product of your slave master and will be dealt with as your daddy will

[@johnrey1001]

@@davidiclineage3767 we are native Americans the real aboriginal people of the Americas and you are just another lost black person who denies their real African ancestry out of shame and internalized racism. Thank you good day.

[@warhammered6485]

They lost ...stagnation nation.

[@creaturecaldwell9858]

What point are you trying to make ?

[@carllove3705]

Your history is a little off. Back in the 1500's and even before that, the Apache people lived in the plains area. Among the buffalo. They were pushed south and west by the Comanche people who were themselves part of the Shoshone tribe that was being pushed south by other people moving to the west. What we commonly know as "Plains Indians", like the Arapahoe, Cheyenne, Sioux, Crow, were woodland Indians who lived to the east of the plains. As they migrated west they pushed the Shoshone and other tribes west and south, just as they themselves were pushed out of their traditional lands by the Cree, Asiniboine, Ojibwe, Chippewa. When ever I hear the Native American complaint about their ancestor's land, I just laugh because they themselves were killing each other and conquering each other's "sacred" land before the white man came here.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

Carl love. Why would you laugh in the first place ? I don't see any of this as amusing or something to give me chuckles.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

Carl. How does killing each other before invaders came make sacred ancient land..or anscesters land anything different ? Or something to laugh at ?

[@carllove3705]

@@jessecaldwell4195 Because a few hundred years ago those "sacred" and "ancestral" lands belonged to another tribe. A few hundred years before that those same lands might have belonged to a totally different tribe, we don't know. The point is that the land was apparently not all that sacred or they wouldn't have left their original lands to occupy the lands of another tribe. Take for example The Black Hills, the sacred "Paha Sapa" of the Dakota/Lakota people. It didn't belong to them for tens of thousands of years before the whites came, only for a few hundred years before the whites came. Before that they were eastern woodland Native Americans, not plains Indians. The same thing happened in Europe when we were the nomadic people living a tribal life. The Celtic people were pushed out by other tribes like the Goths, Visigoths, Huns, Franks, etc.....That is the way of life.

[@jessecaldwell4195]

@@carllove3705 . Maybe so but it still doesn't change anything sacred..graves of the people are still there..so it is anscesters land.

[@redtobertshateshandles]

It happened all over the world. The Mongols pushed tribes West. The British conquered the Irish and Scottish and others. It's divisive left wing Commie inspired crud.

[@gandjgomezfamily5701]

Apache Mexican decent but no tribe it’s better then my ancestors the Mexica the best at war

[@frankspencer-zk6ef]

Americans lie saying they won their independence from the British?

[@frankspencer-zk6ef]

The colonies belonged to the Native American Indian. Not the British? So how could the USA claim independence from the British, when it was never British land in the first place? That's like stealing a push-bike from someone who had stolen that push-bike, and then thinking you then legally own that push-bike?

[@frankspencer-zk6ef]

So we need to ask?, what are the American people really? They don't really have any homeland as such, do they? They're in all real terms, mere immigrants living on land stolen through genocide, right? I mean really, what are the American people?

[@frankspencer-zk6ef]

Everyone else has a homeland?. Apart from Americans, Israelis and Kurds? Isn't that strange? Maybe that's why the Americans don't like Nationalism or even understand what Patriotism really is?

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That actually makes perfect sense. Because patriotism comes from the heart, it's a love of one's country and all the good things your country stands for. Well, really, in all real terms, how can any American person ever feel that love in their hearts for home and country, when they actually, in all real terms, don't have one. So who are these people? LOL.

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Since 1945, America’s Manifest Destiny, posing as the Free World’s Crusade against the Red Menace, has claimed 45 to 50 million lives worldwide, and has bombed one-third of the earth’s people. In the 19th century, America exterminated another kind of “red menace,” writing and shredding treaties, stealing lands, massacring and herding Native populations into concentration camps “Indian reservations”, in the name of civilizing the “savages.” By 1890, with the massacre of Lakota at Wounded Knee the total of the slaughter rose to well over 150 million, the frontier land grab, and internal imperialism - was over. There was a world to conquer, and America trained its exceptionally covetous eye on Cuba and the Philippines. American external imperialism - was born. For a while, after 1945, the US had to behave like a civilized country? While formally It claimed that the USSR had a barbarian, all-conquering ideology, rooted in terror, disappearances, murder, and torture. By contrast, the USA was the shining city on the top of the hill, (the beacon of hope for “the free world.”) Its shrine was the United Nations, Its holy writ was the international law, its first principle was the inviolability of the sovereignty of nations. All this was of course rubbish? It was an apartheid society. It nuked Japan, not once but twice, deliberately selecting civilian targets. It shielded from justice top Nazi criminals, to absorb them as partners in intelligence structures. It conducted many virtual “show trials” against dissidents, during the hysteria of the McCarthy congressional hearings, (seeding the country with a harvest of fear). It waged a genocidal war on Vietnam to prevent independence and unification. It assassinated African independence leaders, and bestowed fascist dictators on Latin America. It softly occupied Western Europe, tied it to itself through military “cooperation” in NATO. And it waged psyop war on its opposition parties. Behind the civilized façade was a ruthless effort to take out the Soviet Union and crush self-determination in the colonial world. By hook and by crook, the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, and the USA went berserk with triumphalism and unwarranted boasting. So now today, we live in a dangerous world. Once again, since the 1930s, the world is being stalked by an expansionist power, answering to no law but its own unilateral humanitarian vigilantism. They said the Kosovo precedent had spun out of control? Yet of course, those were lies that span out of control. Libya smoulders in the ashes of NATO bombs, dropped to prevent “genocide”. Syria fights for survival today, under attack by genocidal terrorist groups, armed, trained and funded by a genocidal USA, with other so-called ''preventers'' grouped in the NATO alliance and the Gulf partners. Afghanistan languishes in a permanent state of war, seeing the largest non-nuclear bomb ever built dropped ''to make a statement''. Present ten thousand American troops, which bomb hospitals to promote human rights in Iraq. Oh yes, the humanitarians are back, after twenty-five years of humanitarian failure. And in Ukraine - Nazi patriots are promoting American democratic and humanitarian values, by shelling Donbass daily. I hesitate to mention Africa? Where ''humanitarian Special Forces'' are watering the fields where terrorists sprout like mushrooms after rain-in Mali, Nigeria, Somalia, Kenya. Then there is Yemen? Perhaps the most callous, vicious, and careless humanitarian crime, of a litany of crimes against humanity in the Middle East. The US government has recently admitted deploying troops to Yemen. The Pentagon claims that the deployment will assist Saudi Arabia “the Arab coalition” to fight al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Can such a grotesque claim be met with anything other than infernal laughter? Help Saudi Arabia to fight its own creature? Are we stupid yet? $7 trillion dollars later, spent on the ''War-on-Terror'' (should be re-named “War of Terror”) and Humanitarian-R2P. The pattern of military destabilization of sovereign states proceeds apace, one recalcitrant independent country at a time in the Middle East and North Africa. For the rest of the world the surrender of sovereignty is sought by means of economic globalization, through trade pacts-TTP, TTIP, etc. Neither the military, nor the economic war on the sovereignty of nations, has yielded anything close to a stable prosperous and peaceful world. It has delivered death, destruction, debt, market crises, tidal waves of millions of refugees and displaced persons. And as always, the concentrated masses of weapons sales wealth end up in a few, yet but powerful hands. The USA is the problem of this world, and always have been for Its 245 years of existence.

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