LEGO IDEAS IS BROKEN

I've always liked LEGO IDEAS, but it's a broken system. However from start to finish, it has some problems that always leave people disappointed. In this video we talk about how IDEAS is meant to work, and what usually happens instead.
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[@smazmats]

100% agree. I have been asked countless times to put my MOCs on Lego IDEAS and aside from one project that I submitted to test out the platform, the answer is always no because it's not worth all the effort of spamming it everywhere to advertise it. Its far more easier to just sell the instructions outright and let people enjoy my MOCs now at a slightly higher cost of parts then to wait years and years for it to have the sliver of a chance of becoming a set.

[@OntheBrick]

For anyone who doesn't know, this guy makes a ton of amazing Space sets

[@blockbricktech6977]

O, that's you, cool I love the Space Moc, they look great. I also have a SpaceX crew dragon 2 capsule design. As you can guess from my other slightly longer comment, this is also an Ideas project of mine. I really enjoy building new projects for this platform and don't think the hundreds of hours I put in is a waste of time, but lately it's just been annoying.

[@drew8235]

Damn right.

[@Zveebo]

I think that’s fine. Equally only a tiny number of people get to build your MOCs as is, while Ideas sets are enjoyed by 10s of thousands. So I can very much see the appeal of that too. Up to each individual what they want to prioritise.

[@richardholmes9264]

True

[@meowmeow9617]

The Krusty krab would have been SOO successful because it was accurate, spongebob is still popular, and it’s cool. They could have been filthy rich

[@meowmeow9617]

@A Brick Above yes, what makes you think I don’t know

[@bigg_succ]

They literally could have priced it at over $1000 and it would still sell out instantly

[@Lemmy-prod]

But then they would turn into mr Krabs

[@meowmeow9617]

@@bigg_succ yeah lol, but it would be sold out even more instantly if it was at a reasonable price like 150

[@meowmeow9617]

@@bigg_succ lego would be like: Hello. I like money. ‘’What inspired you to make a second Krusty krab? Money

[@Fez_Studios]

Lego changes the models because of the size and building techniques, and most of the time the builds aren’t what lego standards live up to.

[@thatonekermitfan1930]

The questions arises, why make people fully design the sets? Just ask fans for an idea, like a blacksmith, and then Lego create an idea to "their standard". The blacksmith is proof of this, a beautiful build made with legal techniques that are better than the ones used in the actual set. On paper ideas works but it was doomed to fail from the start

[@Fez_Studios]

@@thatonekermitfan1930 that is a good question, the way I see it, you are designing the concept idea, then they take it, and refine it to a more feasible and realistic lego set for price and looks.

[@Zveebo]

Yeah, I don’t understand that criticism. They’re very upfront that the final model will be changed to a greater or lesser extent - and mostly that has led to sets that are a bit better (and a lot more robust) than the original idea.

[@nihili4196]

@@thatonekermitfan1930 with blacksmith set they've made it about half of what it used to be, making it more affordable. It would've cost about twice as much if they were to leave it as it was, and to some, that wouldn't be worth money. In my opinion it was a good idea to make it smaller while still maintaining the original look.

[@sigstad_]

@@nihili4196 first, the set is overprized, the amount lego charges for the few pieces is dumb. Second, why would you make a set, designed for adults, kids friendly?

[@TheRayGunCowboy]

My problem with the Ideas sets is that they’re becoming more television themed sets. I would love to see more sets like the Bait shop, the typewriter, or the birds. But to each their own I guess…

[@wadewilson3296]

That’s my only problem with the theme as well. I don’t really care about the approval rate and all that, but I really enjoy the non-licensed sets such as barracuda bay. I feel like if they limit submissions to only non licensed ideas, it would fix the problem of people expecting to get everything they want.

[@legojangofett1088]

We just need a TV theme

[@Morid13Rocks]

I'm so over the tv shows!

[@TheCoreyJ1993]

I’d love to see an Ideas set of just the round window of Notre Dame. It’s intricate and would require a lot of pieces.

[@anamelessyoutuber1462]

I disagree because when it comes to Lego sets in general, I care waaaay more about licensed sets than non-licensed sets. Which is why I found stuff like the typewriter to be such lame wins. But that's just me since I haven't cared about non-licensed sets in years.

[@cocoemelie8541]

They should propably approve more Sets per Review-stage than just 1 out of 50...

[@omarbaba9892]

Yeah but out of the thousands of ideas that get to 10,000 though

[@drew8235]

Well, it is called Lego "ideas". I immediately just figured it was like they would take your idea and design their own set around it.

[@Silverx50]

I wonder if we don't have the wrong idea about ideas. we mostly treat ideas as a way to get our idea made. While I think the whole program is more of a tool to give Lego, ideas on what to make and release. and if it doesn't like our idea even though lots of people say the ide a is greta they don't make it. But I do wish like you that more sets made it through and stayed closer to the original idea and look of the original creator.

[@charleshanson9467]

This. It's a free idea generator for LEGO, not for us.

[@hideofreakingkojima5457]

Staying closer to the original set/idea is most likely difficult to do, because they have to keep the price of the set in mind while the original submission is doesn't have to worry about it.

[@Silverx50]

@@hideofreakingkojima5457 that’s a valid point.

[@johnnyfreespeech5815]

Lego ideas exists entirely for market research purposes only. If they see several builds submitted around the same theme that get highly voted, then they know that it might be worth their time to potentially buy the licenses etc and start making sets around that theme.

[@thetimelapseguy8]

Exactly, they make ZERO money from the Lego ideas website, why should they care about the experience?

[@356z]

I think this is one of those instances where lego just cant keep up with the demand. So many great sets, but so many different tastes too

[@willfowler2968]

The whole point of Lego ideas is that you are submitting an “idea”. Someone from Lego goes in and redesigns the set because they’re taking an idea that was voted on and approved. They then turn it into their own set

[@soapboxk2203]

Sounds like free market research.

[@sundayarvo]

@@soapboxk2203 I mean, that’s exactly what it is. Whether or not that’s a bad thing depends on whether you see LEGO as being underhanded in treating it that way.

[@VCMD]

Maybe they should set certain themes and pieces restrictions etc beforehand which would sell and match lego's future releasing plan. Or give alternative incentives for high votes non selected items like giving them free materials or a certificate

[@thetimelapseguy8]

Actually if you are not approved after 10k votes, then you receive $500 of lego for free

[@airworks7809]

For example no technic models were approved as i remember... But nobody says so

[@Zveebo]

There’s a pretty obvious reason that Lego doesn’t do a detailed review of viability at submission: that would require a *huge* amount of resource to do. Maybe they should do ‘stage gates’ at 1000 and 5000, but then people would complain that their sets were denied the chance to go final review, so there’s no solution which would keep everyone happy.

[@BloodRaven1045]

Lego submission in a nutshell: "Unfortunately, even though you got all of the support you needed, we decided to reject your set. However, since we know that you now know that your set has a following, we know that you will sell the instructions on other sites to make money. Therefore, we are going to hold onto the rights until hype for your set fizzles out, and you are left with a old, forgotten brick conglomerate. Have a nice day" Edit: Typos

[@bdonaghu]

I agree with much of this video, except for the part that begins around 10:17 of the video. LEGO just sticks to the "general idea" of the design because that's the point of this theme. These are "ideas" submitted to LEGO, and LEGO designs a set based on the approved "idea." It was never meant to be a platform where the approved project design is the final product sold.

[@ttmfndng201]

then why require a lego set to be submitted, rather than an idea? and why make people vote on said set rather than the idea?

[@MrAlternateTheory]

When Ideas started it felt genuine, now a lot of the Ideas sets getting released feel like amped consumerism. I do like many of the Ideas when looking at them as mocs... But on the "buying" end I am exhausted. Lego should scale the whole thing back as I think they're over-saturating their market. But I guess they must be profitable from it, since over the past decade there has been a steady increase in the number of "exclusive" sets each year.

[@Zveebo]

I thought people were complaining that too few sets made it through approval, not too many?

[@inyrui]

wym the most recent one was just a sailboat

[@FroyourHistory]

@@Zveebo yeah this seems to be the biggest complaint I see. Other then people not liking the TV show sets

[@FroyourHistory]

Also those tv show sets add to the feeling of consumerism within the theme

[@URSLICCH]

Lego:sees a well made set with functions Lego:Nah lets just choose a real object

[@pwcorgi2000]

I don't necessarily buy Lego for the set itself, but more so for the pieces, mainly any special pieces. If I do build the set, I try to see if I can change anything on it. I bought two sets from Hidden Side that I made into normal vehicles. In fact, I made the bus bigger, & more like a regular bus.

[@The_token__black]

The biggest change I want to see is more sets being approved, I think that would just make the line more successful. As for changing the builds, I agree that they should definitely change less while still trying to make a easy to build model. I do however think the blacksmith that they put out looks way better than the original design

[@ivi_bit]

I have my own problems with LEGO Ideas, of the 4 models I presented, only once I felt it justified it didn't go through, the other 3 followed their guidelines and still didn't pass the review stage

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

What were the models/subject/theme?

[@ivi_bit]

@@VAULT-TEC_INC. first an M-Tron walker, "too many minifigs no build", there's 4 figs and a decent sized walker mech in the middle of the picture, then The old jalopy (Jay's parents car from Ninjago), "can't remake a set", they never made this as a set, third I.M.P from Helluva Boss, "Violence", this one I understand, and now, CAT 797F, "Background not cleard enough" the background is literally white

[@omarbaba9892]

@@ivi_bit does Lego not even know what they’ve made?? To be honest if you put a legacy Kai figure on ideas it would probably get approved the amount of figures they’ve made of him

[@thebrickmeister56]

@@ivi_bit Ninjago is a existing theme, you can’t make sets for it

[@ivi_bit]

@@thebrickmeister56 yes you can, I'll dm you a picture

[@Mando_calrissian]

You still get hundreds of dollars in lego sets for getting approved so it’s still worth the effort even if your model breaks the final rules.

[@vaimantobe3034]

I was going to say the AFOL design program is a lot better for getting the actual design with minimal 'improvements'... but then I remembered the disastrous 'final selection' where they put great sets in a broken competition for no real reason that was decided by votes per milisecond on one specific day

[@suspense_comix3237]

I wish LEGO re-released the LEGO Creator Custom MOC Program, which was this program where you could reach out to LEGO, show them a MOC you made using programs like LDD, and then they can release it as a set and you can actually buy multiple copies of them.

[@f8keuser]

Here are my thoughts about it. 1) Any set ideas that make it the person who created it gets about 1% of all net profits, this includes the sets themselves, any merch and movies if may feature in (if you are that lucky) So ofc it's going to be hard to get your set to be approved. 2) Think on a company level, you wouldn't produce products that will not sell as that will be a waste of money. Lego has their own team that look at what will and what will not sell so if lego thinks your set will not sell they will not waste the time, materials and money to produce the set. 3) The Lego Designers that work at lego review lego set Ideas and they make the call if your set is worth selling, they take into consideration the size of the set as there is a max pieces you have to follow, the idea itself and how complex the set is, if the lego designer sees that your set is too big, the idea is lacking or it's too simple/complex then your set will be declined. Also keep in mind that maybe that your idea isn't market ready yet or your set is just too complex. 4) You don't have to market yourself all too much if you don't want too, if you have the time you can submit more than one set so the more sets you post the higher the chances are. 5) Getting support just comes down to A) How unique your idea is, B) The size of your set, C) The Theme of your set and D) The age range of which your set will sit in. If people like your set then they will share it. And if your set doesn't get many supporters and or gets declined by Lego then it's for a reason.. either your idea wasn't interesting enough or lego doesn't see your idea selling very well.

[@ConchRepublic2047]

These reasons are why I have huge respect for the original builders willing to be so patient to have these sets to become a thing

[@charleshanson9467]

I didn't know this before your video, bit it's very bad that the unchosen designs are not released to the creators for 3 years. Most of the 'highly polished' designs would be viable as instructions only sales for AFOLs and the like.

[@az_raelspencer4292]

I just realized the didn’t approve both the space shuttle and Hubble telescope just to make it a combined set

[@drumstick1113]

LEGO is just mad That their fans are better at designing sets than them.

[@crerul]

I didn't know about the lego keeps your IDEA for 3 years thing. Thanks for the heads up.

[@OntheBrick]

Yup, which is a little unreasonable in my opinion

[@jamesgroccia644]

@@OntheBrick Unreasonable? Lego should give the credit to the builder for submitting their creation at all. Having to wait at least 2 months just for approval and then 2 years gathering support already sounds stressful enough. Keeping the creator in the dark about the state of their content after the 10k mark is just bullshit, especially if Lego has the rights for the next three years!

[@hideofreakingkojima5457]

@@jamesgroccia644 They have been crediting them in their manuals, what are you talking about? Three of the LEGO Ideas I own credited the original designer and have their own mini biography in them.

[@DZstudios.]

This is SO True! I had a LEGO McDonald’s project and I Got BANNED with No explanation

[@azariahkyras7736]

Sounds like something Games Workshop would do... User: Submits idea Company: *So you have chosen... death*

[@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu]

I used to be hyped every time Lego was about to announce a new Lego ideas set. But now I just don't care, it's not worth caring about anymore, even if a really cool set gets 10k supporters, that stopped meaning anything to me ages ago. It used to mean a possibility for a set to become a reality, and even when it didn't they used to have a good reason for it most of the time but now it just means a chance to be told by Lego that you're not good enough for them.

[@Nphen]

I thought the Bricklink creator program was going to help get some of these sets made. Instead of taking open preorders, Lego set a 5k cap which was fortunately broken by a "glitch" which led 10k Forest Castle sets to be sold in just a few hours. Instead of trying to determine the true demand for the front running set, Lego tried to wait around for the less popular sets to get up to 10k. Complete failure to meet the demand of the fans. I would have rather paid $20 more and waited for a Forest Castle set rather than not be able to get it at all because I missed the opening day of a 90 day preorder.

[@_P0tat07_]

Lego probably changes the builds to avoid paying out massive royalties to the designers. I can understand making minor changes, maybe changing out a custom made part for one that Lego already makes or using a color that will pass as acceptable instead of having to blend a specific new color and buying the pigment. I’m not sure how Lego handles crediting the designers with sets that are approved, in production, and on shelves. I wouldn’t imagine Lego would intentionally change everything to avoid giving credit to the designers.

[@catzi9626]

True bro. Like I wish that there was another place like this but that more sets are getting made. I wish there was a site like this but much better. I wish that there where a site where you could pay to get your set made.

[@Nphen]

That's kind of what the Bricklink Creator program was supposed to be. But instead of taking open preorders they only allowed 10,000 sets to be sold of each design. The Forest Castle was gone after 1 day out of a 90 day preorder period. Lego could have sold 20k more sets. It's like they don't want to sell more sets!

[@catzi9626]

@@Nphen ok

[@lukeball2868]

Another issue is when they just rip off the designs completely... I worked with a rather large company 6 or 7 years ago to create a model based on one of their assets which was extremely popular on the ideas site and was even staff pick a few times, but by the time it got to the approval phase (almost 2 years after it first went on the platform) it was rejected because it was too similar to a 'recently announced product' - which when released about 5-6 was literally the exact same set but simplified in the same manner as the blacksmith set!

[@Nphen]

I actually think that the theft of designs is a central feature for Lego. They don't have to pay 1% out to the fan designers if they release the set as their own.

[@Zveebo]

The 1% is not particularly significant to Lego - if they genuinely want an idea its a very small amount to pay. Most of the supposed claims of ‘theft’ are pretty flimsy - usually ideas that are incredibly obvious, or where the Idea is only tangentially related to the final product. I remember the brouhaha over the Ghostbuster Firehouse set for instance - something it was insanely obvious that Lego would consider based on having made the cars.

[@GoingHamAllTheWay]

Wow I didn’t know they “own” the blue prints for any time let alone 3 years that’s fucked up

[@zam50]

Agreed. It should be that you can't share those until the project gets not approved

[@GoingHamAllTheWay]

@@zam50 I’d even go a step further in the opposite Direction, if a fan makes a model and gets accepted then yeah show there model and design like how LEGO has done this before(already) but if it gets rejected, LEGO shouldn’t be aloud to make anything like it. It’s not there idea so why should they get the right to hold on to it.

[@___David__]

I gave up on Ideas the moment LEGO rejected THRICE the Addams Family Mansion project. For 3 times in a very very small amount of time, the project got to 10K. And it got rejected 3 times, without us even knowing why. From that point onward, I stopped even going to the site. I won't vote and I won't care. If my some miracle they put out a set I like, I'll buy it. But otherwise, I want nothing to do with the program anymore.

[@Zveebo]

It’s pretty obvious with this one that it’s something that don’t have the licence for and can’t agree terms with the licence holder. If it’s been rejected once it’s pretty unlikely to be approved the next time round.

[@Traveler_202]

Back in they day seeing a set hit 10k ment to it might be a set and it got while fandoms hyped, now it basically just means, “well there’s now a possibility there could possibly be a lego set based of the same property if that that thing I voted for”

[@suspense_comix3237]

I did not know that LEGO actually owns all the LEGO Ideas Sets which are up and gaining support, and will own them long after they have been rejected or their supporter milestones have expired. This is such a stupid thing that LEGO does, because, when LEGO Ideas Sets are dead, didn't gain much support, or are rejected, that's the end. That's the closing chapter. It's not fair to anyone that their sets are owned indefinitely by a massive corporation and they can't do anything about it.

[@YC-ls4yx]

Lego shts out crappy sets by the truckloads but is super picky about the designs other people give them for free.

[@ahmedm5988]

12:55 I think the reason to why they don’t have that hard wall in the beginning instead of the end is that if they had, only a few ideas would make it into the process of reaching 10 000 supporters, and therefore almost all of them would reach the 10 000 supporters goal because there is so few ideas to vote for. And then lego would have to cancel them anyway because sets that wouldn’t normally reach 10 000 supporters now do.

[@vaimantobe3034]

Yeah, no. If you have 0% chance of your Star Wars MOC ('set' is usually too generous), they shouldn't let you put it on the site. People put a lot of effort into it and they essentially just bloat the site stealing the spotlight from the ideas that could actually get made.

[@chasethespongeking395]

If LEGO doesn't like what we make then why do they keep it up? They should just shut it down like that other "Create a theme" thing everyone forgot about

[@That_random_idiot]

i was gonna submit something to lego ideas but the fact if even if i don't get enough supporters they own the idea for 3 years. I'm probably just gonna put it on bricklink now

[@BrickSystemBros]

Gotta disagree about the voting argument, with the Blacksmith case as the example. The fan submission was a starting point but it was never going to be that off the shelf. There is just something about the products LEGO puts out that has a "DNA" that makes it a LEGO set. That's why the sets are changed; to be aligned with their internal standards and the expectations of their customer base. And in the specific case of the Blacksmith set I didn't consider buying it until the modified version was unveiled and released. Yes, it was a nice MOC as an IDEAS submission, but not something I would purchase. As an updated official release, it caught my eye and eventually my wallet. This extends to every submission on the site. Voters shouldn't select projects they want to buy exactly as it is, but should vote for the idea behind the project. I think this is how IDEAS was always intended to work and is the most misunderstood aspect of the platform, with disappointing results every time.

[@outgoingcall]

The rights are a huge component involving whether or not a set will get approved. Sometimes a rival company will get it or it just won't work out.

[@salihkeremcan5376]

Krusty Krab is a huge missed opportunity maybe it's because of licensing but they should have got it back and maybe even Spongebob theme could have return

[@zarda1484]

It's lego IDEAS. It's right in the title. Very simple. The program isn't broken at all and some of the best sets that lego has every done have come from lego ideas. It also gives us a way to show lego what kind of sets we really want. There is no way to make the program perfect but more choice for them is always good. Even if a set isn't going to get approved its pretty much free advertisement for them and they keep the design rights because other brick companies will rush to make the sets before they can even be voted on not as punishment. I just never understand all the hate for something that lego doesn't have to do. Is entitlement a good work for that? I'm not sure. TLG has a lot of flaws but IDEAS does just what its supposed to do.

[@VirginiaRican]

Lego didn't want to have its own episode of Internet Historian.

[@arcxcc]

the first 9 minutes can just be summed up with "they should make the review stage stricter and earlier"

[@scaryfingers101]

I really hope LEGO listens to this man.

[@Dawid.Mitura]

Your concerns are adventages of LEGO's concept for me. It is sad for not taking many fantastic projects into production phase by LEGO itself, I agree with you. In the background they decide to choose the winner of the contest based on potentially license problem, complication state, potentially customer target, assimilating the production costs, "political correctness", line of existing and coming LEGO's sets, etc. They set the rules and these rules are known from the beginning, so... This is my very short comment from the different point of view.

[@vmsysprog]

@OtB: I totally agree with you. There have been so many sets that have achieved approval and yet don’t make it, that obviously would have sold well. I’ve pretty much have quit participating with the Lego Idea website.

[@asc3nded397]

I really wish we would get that Minas Tirith set but I know it’s not going to happen (at least not through LEGO ideas). Hopefully when the Amazon show releases LEGO will restart the theme like with Harry Potter and gives us some more amazing LOTR setsz

[@AinoNNuunu]

I agree

[@narwhalking2788]

Yeah. The iron Giant has been denied twice. It reached the goal fast twice.

[@gooblin5701]

I think Lego thinks the iron giant isn't as culturally relevant and they might not sell very well. Just the reality of things

[@Zveebo]

Yeah, it has to be viable commercially, and getting 10k people to click a button on a webpage is a lot easier than getting people to actually stump up (quite a lot of) money for a set.

[@Lumberjack_king]

The biggest problem with is that the quality control is too strict and kinda random

[@GregOrCreg]

You make some very good points, but whatever else its flawed, the list of designs submitted to the Lego Ideas page are always really inspiring, especially in terms of creaitng one's own MOCs. Irrespective of how far they get, it's just nice to see what other Lego fans are designing.

[@Zveebo]

Agree. At the very least the system does a good job of surfacing some really amazing MOCs, and the idea that they *could* be a set is always inspiring, even if unlikely.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@Zveebo Also, I think a lot of these designers just want to show their work. If there's a remote possibility their work can become an official set, that's an added bonus. My only misgiving is that the designers effectively forfeit control of their ideas for a while (which presumably means they can't sell the design instructions to third parties during that period). On the other hand, after that period, the interest in those designs will have only increased due to their exposure.

[@ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming]

This is why Rebrickable is a good thing for MOC designers.

[@blockbricktech6977]

I agree with you. I spent more than 20 hours on a project and another 20 hours rendering it and I have to say it looks really good. To stand out a bit from all the other projects, I thought it would be a grat idea to do a gif as a starting photo for which I had to make an animation and render every single frame. This not only cost a lot of time but also a lot of nerves. When I had everything ready, I uploaded my project to Ideas the next day and it went into the Waiting Approval Stage. The next morning I got an email saying that my project had been rejected because the photos were too dark in Lego's opinion, which I find a bit ridiculous because I was just trying to put my project in the foreground (I had a black backgraund) and create as high a quality look as possible, but whatever. However, I didn't want to do all this work for nothing, so I decided to lighten all the pictures I used in the animation individually and turn them into a gif, which took me another 2 hours. But after I had all the photos and animation ready again, I was shocked. Suddenly I could not upload any more gif files. I tried several times. Not even the old file, which I had uploaded before, worked anymore. I almost lost my mind, 20-25 hours of work for nothing. Thanks to a colleague of mine, who knows a lot about computers and files, I was finally able to create a webp file from the gif, which doesn't look nearly as good, but moves. Now the project is released again for checking, but it still hasn't been viewed or edited and now it's been 3 days. I don't know if the Lego team has a grudge against me and doesn't want to work on the project because of that. I even wrote an email to the support and asked if it was no longer possible to upload gifs, but I still haven't received an answer. I think that's a real pity, because I love to design these projects and I really enjoy seeing how many people I can convince with my idea. Thank you for this video and I hope that my project will be published on Monday, but unfortunately with a hundred others. Never upload an ideas project on the weekend!!!!

[@thetimelapseguy8]

Can you post a link to the idea, if it has been approved by now?

[@shurikenkat]

Flashback to LEGO Digital Designer. 8 year old me spent HOURS in that software.

[@WizardOfOss]

I do in most part agree, but I do think you should think of the Ideas program just as what the name implies: It's all about the **idea** itself. Not about getting the exact MOC mass produced. Most of the earlier and greatest Ideas sets were things Lego would never have come up with themselves. But so many of the submitted or even approved ideas nowadays are not exactly groundbreaking, just (in some cases) very good MOCs. And I think that's also where you see the difference in the end result: If the idea itself is brilliant, Lego usually does a good job on perfecting it before release. If it's not that original an idea but it's a phenomenal MOC, the end result will probably disappoint because in its original form in all its glory is just not feasible. I do absolutely agree however that Lego should much earlier get rid of submissions that have no chance at all of getting approved. And make more clear why. Doesn't have to be in detail, but just with "unoriginal idea" they could get rid of at least 80% of submitted ideas.

[@jamesgroccia644]

All the small and blocky builds that literally ANYONE can make at home shouldn't even be on the site. Yeah, whoever built them worked pretty hard to do so, but where's the fun in building something you know is gonna be little challenge for anyone but the creator? Lego should absolutely release more sets like the UCS Big Boy, or the Saturn V, even the DeLorean, that are a real challenge to build and keep the buyer engaged.

[@viperson9818]

I think LEGO should up the supporter count. To maybe 15000 or something. Since my god there’s too many. Also get rid of many quickly like creator car like ones, modular, etc. Heh u can say the fans give an idea and LEGO takes that idea and build a set based on that idea……..since people voted for the idea if you think closer to the name.

[@OntheBrick]

This is one thing I didn't talk about but I do think 10000 is actually too low. Maybe 10000 should be the number to get to the review phase, but more votes can keep being submitted? Like if a set reaches 20000 votes than lego will know more people want it.

[@thebrickmeister56]

@@OntheBrick Exactly

[@deepsleep7822]

@OtB: totally agree with you on all points.

[@kyleyuen245]

They should also put an asterisk, *if you're set is an intellectual property we don't have the license to then you just shouldn't bother because we most likely aren't going to pick it even if it goes in review

[@thetimelapseguy8]

Seinfeld?

[@luigi6019]

omg a sonic the hedgehog set was approved!😲😄

[@wolf_line]

i really want lego to make the welcome to the black parade submission, but knowing MCR's content it would be like too inappropriate for Lego to make probably and its so sad

[@matthewbrooksher4659]

I just wanted the lego Bag End to come out.😢

[@allen0937]

This whole video is exactly what I was thinking!

[@ianc2963]

It's messed up how they even allow those things to be approved if they ain't gonna even make it its at that point false hope as a builder like wtf and not only that wtf is that bs of them owning "you're" set for 3 years if they aren't going to sell them like if I made it i own it therefore I could sell it it is way too flawed

[@theaccelerons]

Very compelling argument, I feel like all of your points are things I’ve understood to a degree. But compiled all together like this in your video just makes it clear that their is a flaw in the system of Lego ideas. Because on paper it sounds like a good way to engage the community. But in practice.. we’ll here we are. Awesome vid, I’ll definitely stick around for more 👍🏻

[@Samfan4Films777]

I love the LEGO Ideas TRON set, but I just want one of the Iron Giant sets to be made! They've reached 10k 3 times.

[@inkdo]

lmao it’s so funny how lego approves any old as* TV show set instead of amazing ships, forts, castles, and buildings

[@kingdomsbricks4762]

Um...so u understand what it takes to make one of these sets right?

[@rafaelfriedlander8111]

Regarding LEGO fundamentally changing the designs before public release, I would argue that the case of the Saturn V is different from that of the Medieval Blacksmith. In the case of the Saturn V, I would be willing to bet that people were supporting it because they wanted to see a set of that subject matter, NOT because they liked its particular building techniques. On the other hand, the Medieval Blacksmith was an original concept, one not based on an existing item or IP. In that case, yes, it's harder to defend LEGO changing the build.

[@nihili4196]

I would argue that Lego changed blacksmith set so much to make it more affordable. A lot of Afols would gladly get it, but that's it. Regular fans would look at it, look at the price that would be double what it is right now, and say "nah, I don't need it". It was needlessly too big and too gribbly. It was looking like a MOC, not like a set. I understand why people are upset, but expecting Lego to release set that have the amount of pieces and details worth of MOC is unreasonable. Lego as company have to balance things between original design, internal building techniques and market availability. Original set wouldn't be nowhere near successful.

[@hideofreakingkojima5457]

@@nihili4196 From what I see I think the problem is the color change being too saturated compared to the original, but if people really want the set they could build the set themselves on bricklink. None of the pieces are special molds so it wouldn't be that hard.

[@danhodson7187]

I agree with all this apart from possibly approving more sets to be made. If you collect Lego Ideas sets, as well as other themes as I do, it’s already hard to keep up with what is being released, as well as justifying £320 for the Piano. With currently available sets Dino Fossils, ISS, Pirates of Barracuda Bay, Grand Piano, Sesame Street, Blacksmith, Winnie the Pooh, Typrewriter and Seinfeld. Then still to come: Home Alone, Globe, Fender, Starry Night, Sonic and Lighthouse. It’s already hard to keep up let alone making it 2 or 3 approvals per review.

[@dragonshadow1902]

I would love it if those that get 10k but are denied that instructions still be made and sold. Let us go out and get our own parts or scavenge other sets we own. To make yhem

[@plasticinabox7247]

Someone’s already probably said this, but just found it funny how he said nope the the hocus pocus set lol

[@mthotdog]

I really hope that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang car is approved...

[@Bethos1247-Arne]

Lego Ideas are voted for the look, but would cost a lot to make and might be not very stable. Currently I try to come up with my own ideas, and notice how difficult it is to get something good out of a reasonable part count.

[@lulul]

The whole moc community needs easy access to alternative bricks either directly or through alternative brands.. The best would be a platform (like the ones used for selling fan merch like t-shirts and such things). You upload your moc, the company sorts the pieces and ships it to customers and each get a piecr of the pie.. A similar platform that would help designers reach alt brick brands would be also great, or better yet an easier way for designers to reach brick makers directly (like Gobricks). It would make Kickstarter mocs so easy to fund.. Basically make the path from design to an actual set you can buy as short and fast as possible.. Many moc designers are purists though and won't even hear of alt bricks but a very easy and affordable way for them to sell their designs might sway them...

[@jeffg7044]

Many alt brick companies steals lego's and moc creator's designs though.

[@lulul]

@@jeffg7044 sure but that's just confirming that people do want mocs in alt bricks.. A way for the designer to get easy access to customers and a share of the profits is what is needed.. Many who buy stolen MOC sets also buy the original instructions out of respect tor the designers and even the stolen sets helped the designers sell more instructions than they would have if their mocs weren't stolen.. I'm just saying that an easy way for the designers to reach alt brick manufacturers or brands is needed and would benefit everyone..

[@GameyRaccoon]

You're describing rebrickable and bricklink.

[@lulul]

@@GameyRaccoon not realy, those are very expensive and source bricks from multiple sources that add up that add a lot of shipping costs.. Lego is already expensive enough.. If I were to assume MOCers don't make that much there and probably those who have their mocs stolen make significantly more from people who buy their instruction for the stolen mocs out of respect for the designer..those are just very, very exclusive platforms. A MOC like the sandcrawler is expensive even in alt bricks at around $500.. Who pays thousands for it on the existing lego platforms? If MOCers could easily order through a platform 1000 sets directly from an alt brick manufacturer, lots of mocs would be on kikstarter and successfully funded.. And it would be even easier if an intermediary in China would do the same as the ones you mentioned but ship from the same source, ease the burden of shipping from the designer and keep the cost affordable.. It's the designers that would benefit most and the whole bricks fan base would to.. There are already stores that ship alt bricks based on mocs and you can even order from Gobricks directly, but the process is not that user friendly.. A platform that would streamline this would just blow up the mic community, and even the youtube MOCs scene too since there would be a big need for MOC reviews too..

[@gooblin5701]

@@lulul alt bricks are not made at the same quality control that Legos are made. Legos are expensive because they're High quality. Alt bricks are cheaper because they're much lower quality and that's a fact. Moc builders don't want to use alt bricks because why would u support a company that only profit off being an imitation product?

[@hurgle3197]

Yeah it's wierd how Lego now is trying to act like they're taking all this public input with ideas and the fan votes and stuff but in the end they just do whatever they want. Lego ideas is just that tho, ideas, they just want inspiration I guess.

[@thomasley4006]

All true. And that’s why I mostly ignore the whole process. I also stopped buying them.

[@deadaccountpleasedonttagme]

Lego needs MEDIUM train wheels!

[@pacecory1]

you know, at that point, you might as well just create a pole system where fans vote on the idea they want

[@LagoonKnight]

Wait, was that a Sonic set being approved! 😁

[@extremebeastreaction6245]

It’s now a set

[@jasondylan9230]

I get tired of all these people flooding groups asking for all this support. Then you have a final round flooded with sets that people know clearly have no chance and full of sets that people only supported just because the designer asked for support and the supporters clearly had no intention of buying to begin with.🙄😒

[@braxlucky5718]

I just looked at the ideas pages and looked at the among us set that is in review and it is terrible no one would buy it what would you do with it honestly I don’t know how it got the support

[@jasondylan9230]

@@braxlucky5718 more 5han likely because the designer flooded the lego groups and other threads asking people to support it.

[@PurpleRhymesWithOrange]

I definitely agree that in the very first stage Lego should tell people if a build is something they will never make into an official set (and why). There is no point is wasting a creator's time trying to get 10k votes when Lego knows it is something they will never sell in stores!

[@zarda1484]

Another thing I'll say is that if you want a near original design that got 10000 supporters go look at the bricklink designer program and you'll see that a month later there are two sets that still haven't sold 10000 sets. All these people that have opinions about how lego doesn't approve enough sets etc but they have barely sold any of those sets for the past 3 weeks. Looks like lego has an idea about what they're doing.

[@lorenzodepaoli3642]

I think that lego just doesn't put the filter at the start of the submission so that they can wait for worst sets to just fade out 'cause of a lack of votes to make the work THEY have to do the least difficoult and resource consuming, wich just makes sense from a commercial point of view

[@117johnpar]

Heres a thought. Its called Lego Ideas. As in submitting ideas to lego, and they may build a set out if the idea. not actually submitting the set itself. This has always been how I saw it.

[@xtentasticx]

I laughed so hard at when they changed up the blacksmith so much. And then if you watch the designer video, they were asked what was left from the original design. "We put in this chest with a compass for the original designer"

[@tebjylesoldevilla6564]

Its true actually I build a very nice moc but they not got approved and i almost cry i work for the moc for 3 years!!

[@powerhouse8310]

It seems that Ideas works exactly as intended and you just don’t like it. You’re negative reasons for not liking the process are not backed by anything substantial and has lots of holes.

[@maymaystudio1702]

8:25 DUCKS POWER LINE REPAIR

[@zam50]

The redesigning shouldn't be so heavy on such specific feeling and complete designs, it should be used with things like the upcoming bts set (which is a basic idea pitch set)

[@serina3872]

The last one I actually liked was voltron

[@funnyuniverse1]

I like it as well

[@maxmoviestudios886]

What particularly sucks about the Avatar the Last Airbender IDEAs set is that two submissions almost exactly like it have been fully supported and denied before. It's really obnoxious. You'd think that after 30,000 supported the same idea, they'd get the picture.

[@OntheBrick]

It also has to do with licensing, which sucks.

[@epicwarriors]

One question when they Take a design and post it and make a model and publish it for buyers through the creators get any rights to the design and if they do do they also get paid

[@ryanperkins5309]

Not broken. Have more than plenty of great Mocs ‘ideas’ submitted. Lego chooses not to fall through. after all that..spongebob. Really..

[@sinfinite7516]

I think for redesigns, changing the more technic based sets to make them even better is good. But like for sets based on aesthetics, changing them to much will be bad.

[@djgoldstarr8727]

I’ve submitted planes and they always say no due to the stud shooters but then I see others have their builds approved with stud shooters and lego guns and I’m so confused

[@URSLICCH]

Why does lego Only makes scaled objects?

[@bobbykevin]

you might as well just be voting on a line of text on the website.

[@Traveler_202]

A few years ago, ideas was a lot more clear what it was, you give lego an idea and they make it, any set at all, the tron bikes, doctor who, cool ideas that would never get a set, now we just get big collector sets, that don’t even resemble the superior original and are far to expensive for most people to afford, lego will take these amazing ideas, and deny them in a strange pattern without explanation, sometimes it seems the sets are not detailed enough or to small, but a completely unique set will be denied because it’s to detailed, or to big, lego only accept 3 scales medium and overpriced or huge and overpriced, anything in between is Insta denied ,