IT'S GETTING WORSE FOR STEVE YZERMAN… MORE CONFUSING DETAILS ON THE JAKE WALMAN TRADE

[@runningpastexitsa350]

So sick of hearing people cry about someone who was a minus 12 in the last 10 games he played you all wanna make the playoffs or watch a average player with some good offensive moments dance. I think it was probably a first for holl or petry.

[@runningpastexitsa350]

Remember the kids they scouted and ended up drafting were by #55 and #5 plus the old school boys and if they love them you will have to probably have to pry them from Stevie ys hands cause those are probably the closet to heart of Stevie idk just a guess to human side of our nhl 2025 minds

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Nobody is taking Holl - he will get bought out . Petry is a 3rd pair defenseman that the red wings pay $2 mill/ yr for this year - he will probably be sticking around . This was a message to the other players on that team - Walman was on an affordable contract it was not a big deal in as far as salary - he was healthy scratched during the playoff run - so that tells you he was not being held with a lot of esteem . When your negotiating - it sometimes pays to shoot one or two of the hostages just to show the others you are serious . I think the red wings roster that might think winning is a luxury might be thinking twice, You people call him Stevie like he is your little brother - he is a 59 yr old man - and a ruthless competitor he is going to build a team that he knows competes for championships - and he doesn't give a flying F whatever anyone else thinks about it.

[@Monster-o1q]

He wronged Yzerman in some way that we don't know of. Yzerman sent him to Siberia. Yzerman paid for his first class ticket to get there. Yzerman isn't stupid. He didn't try to find a taker for Walman. He paid for him to go to one of the worst teams on the other side of the country. This trade was vengeance.

[@jessecoonce1363]

If that were true(I'm certain it's not), then that would be the most idiotic look for Yzerman that could be imagined. An actual professional is looking to improve the team, not give away assets out of vengeance or spite. If he did that, he should be fired on the spot.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

Interesting perspective that I would shockingly be totally fine with if true 😂😂😂

[@TheMightymolar]

A GM doesn't hose their team to get back at a player.

[@Monster-o1q]

@@TheMightymolar Give your explanation of the trade please.

[@connorhughes7390]

All of these trades are making cap room so we can sign Mo, Lucas, and possibly Kane

[@ekim4363]

Guess Walman was Ray Bourque in his prime, must’ve missed that. Perhaps most fans forget that Walman was scratched quite often towards the end of the last season. There is a glut of young defensemen that needs spots to play in Detroit. I’ll be patient and most need to stop reacting emotionally, this is a business in the end.

[@michaelmignone5869]

Probably couldve gotten rid of him by just putting him on waivers, adding a 2nd rounder makes it a little crazy

[@FirstBossWolf]

"future considerations" can no longer be nothing. It has to be approved as something by the NHL. What is intended must be presented and validated by the league. They know what is coming and they approved it. You don't seem to know as much as you think you do.

[@grogsprog8401]

Walman was rated in the lowest 4% on defense last year

[@hckytwn3192]

Is that true? 🤣

[@icedo1013]

Don't forget, the usage Walman and Seider faced was literally unprecedented in terms of defensive assignment. That has to factor into that statistic somehow.

[@timothywright778]

@@icedo1013 double digit goals. Single digit assists. I like Walman but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

[@jeffreyparker2783]

@@hckytwn3192 in 2022-2023 Walman was 92 pth (74 Off/95 Def), in 2023-2024 after he got his new contract he was 27 pth (71/4). That's really bad and explains why he was a healthy scratch 12 of the last 14 games.

[@hckytwn3192]

@@jeffreyparker2783 thanks… just watched a grind line video were they referenced it too. And also his benching, with Newsy saying that he “wasn’t himself”. So, yeah-something went south. It’s strange that none of this was common knowledge, huh?

[@twerps1]

Just wait till FA is over before jumping to conclusions. Jeesh, the draft still has to start and everyone is going crazy already.

[@jeremycoyle2782]

He's click baiting us.

[@colestines9202]

Yzerman got us Mo Ray and Simon I ain’t worried

[@WilliamBenedict-j8q]

Has anyone thought that the Walman trade could have been a favour to San Jose for potentially helping Yzerman out later this week by getting involved in a 3 way trade and retaining salary or doing a sign and trade? San Jose could potentially sign Kane or Stamkos and then immediately move them to Detroit with salary retained? San Jose needs to get to the cap floor and Yzerman wants to make big moves but needs more cap space? Walman could have been the sweetener for them to do us a favour in the coming days. Yzerman would not do this for no reason.

[@dominator9059]

I do wonder if he has a relationship with Grier that is closer than some other GMs. The Sharks also got Zadina and Kostin from the Wings, fwiw. I get that "future considerations" is an empty return but that doesn't mean Grier hasn't verbally committed to doing Yzerman a favor in the future. The fact that people are really upset Yzerman gave away a second rd pick they had for literally 2 hours is pretty funny. It still is a puzzling kind of deal but it's still just a cap / roster dump to make room for a young D-Man handpicked by Yzerman to take the spot. The pick is basically a coin toss for getting an NHLer in 4-5 years time as it is. I get why people are confused but it's kind of a nothingburger from my perspective.

[@SetsunaTheAngel]

When the season starts this will be a footnote..... No big deal.

[@directionallycorrect2027]

The only mistake is Yzerman didn’t get Shapiro’s approval before making the move. Hope he learns from this. Obviously Shapiro knows best

[@mattl2642]

Lol ain't no way you're trying to justify this stupidity.

[@directionallycorrect2027]

@@mattl2642Such a hot take. Mommy must be proud

[@bobbyvv136]

3-way deal with Detroit, San Jose takes part of the cap. That’s the future consideration.

[@lance2465]

Steve clearly sucks at managing assets. Great trade for the sharks and one of the dumbest trades by Detroit in a long time. Makes 0 sense to trade Walman and a 2nd round pick. Maybe Steve was drunk while he made the trade.

[@Twistytwiggy]

🤣 he's going to make you look like a fool

[@billjohansson88]

What we do know is that the NHL as a league has approved the deal. What the deal is about or beyond what is already clear, none of us knows typically S.Y move. What I know is that it cannot be about using SJ as a 3rd party for retained salaries as SJ already has 3 players (max) in Burns, EK65 and Hertl. In addition, there is a time limit on how long such a deal can run without specifying the actual deal.

[@TheMightymolar]

That 2nd should have been used to unload Maatta, Holl, or Petry. This Walman trade is just a miss unless he comes up with something absolutely brilliant.

[@randysaber5220]

It's becoming more clear why the wing's have not made the playoffs the last 5 years yzerman has been here with poor decisions like this and not really drafting well..he needs to take notes from Brad Holmes

[@goodfella8143]

There was something going on that he was benched for the last 10 games or so ...I didn't understand it while I watching those games becusee we were in the playoff hunt but something personal was going on between walman and yzerman

[@rwsaldrich]

I think he got into trouble off ice and yzerman was just getting rid of the problem

[@jeffwalker5514]

At some point we have to start asking wth Walman did to sabotage his own value

[@Monster-o1q]

THANK YOU! Finally someone gets the real story!

[@dominator9059]

played too much Fortnite

[@Joe-t3r9u]

@@dominator9059 Haha for real! 😂

[@americanadreaming]

As a retired MI soldier, I must remind everyone that none of us know what 'future considerations' might imply. The Wings front office is certainly aware of the value here. SJ drafts right before Detroit. Let your mind wander.

[@emushowers7635]

San Jose traded up to pick 11

[@americanadreaming]

@@emushowers7635 Maybe he had issues that the club kept private? He was a healthy scratch in the final weeks of the playoff push, so it was clear he had system or personal issues. All I'm saying is that we don't know everything, and speculating on this type of thing is pretty fruitless. Yzerman isn't desperate or foolish, so I err on the side of caution here.

[@Ando2k10]

Wasn't the Rangers cutting Barclay Goodrow, so that SJ could claim him off of waivers, part of a "future considerations" trade. Goodrow had SJ on his no trade list.

[@Eddy1097]

I am really hopping that this trade happened so the Wings can Waive Copp or Holl and SJ will pick them up.

[@kennethrussell1320]

But they could have made that part of the deal. Future considerations means Yzerman is going to get at least $1.

[@lbt782]

I know you have to put out content so I get it. But can't we wait until at least say maybe the draft lol or even free agency. You know there is something coming lol. Walman had a great celly but he was no great player. I wont miss him lol ijs

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@lbt782 I believe the trade expands next week after the draft & FA starts.

[@jeremycoyle2782]

So you know more than Yzerman eh? C'mon Lego future considerations could be anything so you'll just have to wait to find out like the rest of us.

[@josezarate7300]

I like Yzerman. Go Sharks

[@PCPAyLOAD]

Yzerman is 8 steps ahead of all of us. Let the man cook and never get emotionally attacked to players on the Wings.

[@michaelschultz1125]

The point is that he could have got something for a player like Walman, and certainly didn't have to give up a 2nd round pick to basically give him away.

[@PCPAyLOAD]

@@michaelschultz1125 You're assuming that. You have no idea what Yzerman is cooking up or what goes on in these conversations between teams. What we do know is that he's clearly freeing up cap space for a FA move. Not every trade happens all at once. Have a little faith that someone like Yzerman is way smarter about Hockey then you, I and about 99% of the earth's population.

[@jeffwalker5514]

Something has to be hidden behind “future considerations”

[@gordoncheswick4169]

No. IT’s NOT!!!

[@jeffwalker5514]

@@gordoncheswick4169 I think you forgot your blood pressure meds

[@Carsn-nj8sl]

Who knows but Monday better be a good day for wings fans

[@redbeard6403]

I have been thinking a lot about this and watching a lot of Red Wings podcasts (for lack of a better word on KZbin. Originally I thought that it was because of some issue the public was unaware of so they wanted to move him. I no longer think that. As has been mentioned he didn't play down the stretch and in the 2nd half of the season Seider was usually paired with Chiarot. Given that there really wasn't a place for him. If he is not playing with Seider and Edvinsson being the LD on the 2nd pairing, combing that With Johansson making the team there was a log jam at 3rd pair defenseman. He had to get moved. The same is true for Holl and possibly Maatta. The question is why didn't Yzerman get more for Walman. Maybe I am thinking Walman is worth more than people are willing to pay, but I think Walman could have been traded straight up for a pick. I get not wanting to add a roster player either in Detroit or Grand Rapids, but getting a pick is a different matter and we are no where near 90 man limit of our reserve list. I don't like criticizing Stevie, but Lego was right. Terrible asset management. About the Gibson trade, at first I didn't like it. I was really intrigued by it, I liked his profile, but I can see how a winger(who we like) might be better for our prospect pool. Also there is talk about Holl and why we traded Walman instead of Holl, well that is probably because no one wanted him and it would cost a lot more to move him. I am sure that Holl will be moved, but it will cost us. If we don't re-sign Ghost, I think we get a D-man in free agency. Either a LD to be paired with Seider or a RD to be paired with Edvinsson.

[@dannik9932]

If it didn't come from the Shark's GM, we don't know what future considerations is. Seeing as how the league had to approve of it, it doesn't sound like a normal future considerations.

[@Monster-o1q]

Future considerations is just a technical label that they add just because the rules dictate that you cannot trade a player for nothing. You must get a return. So they attach the 'future considerations' label to it just to make it legal through the rulebook and collective bargaining agreement. It essentially means we gave them a player and a draft pick for free.

[@dannik9932]

@@Monster-o1q That is not true. The NHL closed the future considerations (f.c.) loophole. F.C. cannot be traded unless part of a trade with actual value returning (picks/prospect/player) unless otherwise authorized by the league. This trade for F.C. should not be legal, but the league approved it for some reason. Again, this is not a normal F.C.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

You can bet it is a few rolls of tape and an autographed Mike Grier picture .

[@ericscottstevens]

Last time this happened it was with Jakub Vrána. Possible additional backstory that we do not know.

[@wingsdiehard4135]

He was sidelined the end of the year so I feel we have the same thinking on this

[@jeremycoyle2782]

Exactly! Lets say Yzerman just didn't like him, or he wasn't good in the room etc. Yzerman would never tell us those things.

[@billjohansson88]

There are positive signs (negative symptoms) that it may be something similar backstorey as Vrana. Coaches who verbally indicate that everything is not right with the player. Stats dramatically down this year and the player is not present on the ice as well as sidelined both last year and this year... IF that is the case, then it is a private matter and should remain so. In the best case, it is a 3rd part to this deal that gets its solution during the draft or from the start Monday onwards...

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@jeremycoyle2782 and these reporters or "insiders" sure as hell don't know . When they are being honest - they say flat out they never get anything out Yzerman / red wings organization . He does not allow any leaks to the media . They try to do their best from agents - rest assured if there are reports about what Detroit is doing is coming solely from agents and so they might no part of the story but definitely not all of it.

[@elvisguitar5394]

Detroit is signing Stamkos

[@broaaakkkaaa3822]

Doubt it. Nothing significant going to happen for us this year. Another sad year

[@vernonhowell4070]

Stamkos isn’t finishing his career missing the playoffs in Detroit.

[@florida1289]

​@stenco-eh1hdI live in Tampa and as it stands today Tampa's current offer is not acceptable. According to his agent they need to change the offer problem is they don't have the cap space so they need to do what Yzerman just did create cap space. Only it's crickets on that front too. I'm just reporting what the guys on the radio reported today. They seem nervous as they should because it appears to be at an impasse, said Nashville was interested and Detroit, others.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

@@broaaakkkaaa3822 please crawl back under your rock and rockoff!

[@jxmhlr_on_xbox]

Celebrini timeeeee

[@gordoncheswick4169]

This is very close to the dumbest move by Yzerman. Tithe worst is the Hronek trade.

[@icedo1013]

The real dumbest move is the ones you're failing to correctly make across the keyboard. Yikes.

[@SetsunaTheAngel]

We were never going to afford Hronek's next contract and we used one of the picks we got on Sandin-Pellikka. So trading him instead of losing him for nothing was dumb????

[@dj4aces]

It's not "for free". "Future Considerations" *always* means something is going back to Detroit at some point soon.

[@gordoncheswick4169]

No. It doesn’t. It means ‘we got the best of you on this one’. I truly believe SY got a burr in his pants with Walman - and traded him in a huff

[@philippeleblanc5314]

@@gordoncheswick4169sûre… could’ve still traded less though. Dosent add up. Might as well still tried to send him through waivers.

[@joeygrossbeak4092]

Bottom line: Red Wings just need to make playoffs to eliminate doubt in Yzerplan. Good Luck in coming season: Red Wings!!

[@crossface222]

We have Seider and Edvinsson. Just find them partners and a 3rd pair. Defense is solid.

[@lengendaryfettygaming2709]

And then we also have ASP in the future as well

[@crossface222]

@@lengendaryfettygaming2709 ASP will be Edvinsson’s partner for years to come. I hope he’s here for 25/26 but time will tell.

[@socratesartemis4825]

Spot on. Wings should have waived Wallman

[@markvanderhaeghe6639]

Dude you're a putz if you think he had trade value to teams that could take the cap hit. He had a no movement clause.

[@detroitdavid1952]

Petry isn't tradeable, Holl may be tradeable, and there's no guarantee Ghost is going to resign. So losing Ghost and trading Walman opens up 2 spots on defense. Edvinsson and Johansson should take those 2 spots. Seider will be the on the first PP unit next year. He's earned that and deserves it. So now our defense is based on Seider, Edvinsson, Johansson, Petry, Maatta, and Chiarot, with Holl a healthy scratch. Also I hear that Yzerman is still in talks with Kane, and he wants double of what he was paid last year, which means $5.5 million minimum. I think he may go after Stamkos or Guentzel. Let's see what happens tonight if he pulls off a trade during the draft. You never know what he has up his sleeve.

[@wolves1901]

Stop acting like Jake is Bobby Orr. Let’s wait and see what happens. Look I’m tired of not making the playoffs either but something else must be a foot. I guess he thought PTBNL was of some value ? Idk.

[@chumpmtb2554]

Utah has ONE defenseman signed.. and he's an AHL fill-in. I suppose Walman likely had AZ on his mod no-trade, but I'm not sure if that applies, since Utah didn't get to keep the Coyotes branding or history. If not, Utah has NO defenseman, all of the cap space in the world, and enough draft picks to take them into 2030. Walman would instantly be a top pair there, so Yzerman couldn't get anything for Walman? Also knowing SJ would've picked him up for free, has to mean something else is cooking. Plus, there's a new rule against "future considerations" that it can't be nothing. Those trades need to be approved beforehand, and something has to be thrown in within a specified time, without special exception, so something is in the mix there. It only doesn't make sense - until it makes sense, I guess..

[@kylet9116]

Hot take ..SJ 11th overall pick comes into play. For Eiserman?

[@dlphcoracl9645]

Stevie Yzerman is in over his head. The Yzer-plan is a myth. Yzerman was a great NHL player and a very mediocre GM.

[@ngadam3126]

Just guessing here, could it be that we will be trading up to SJ 11th in this years draft? Even better if they also exchange with us the 33rd pick.

[@miketylenda8880]

I hope Yzerman got rid of Walman for doing that stupid dance whenever he scored. He was an embarrassment to the organization.

[@mr.nimbus537]

I didn't have a problem with it. Until I saw the 2nd. Terrible.

[@alancarr4272]

Sharks pick up Holl and/or Copper on waivers.

[@jerepesonen8426]

Jan Rutta IS better than Jake Walman. Rutta has Cup afterall

[@donaldsillence6853]

Wallman’s defense has not been that good this last season from a statistics point of view compared to his first year in Detroit. Its like he has gone back to his play at the end of his Blues stint.

[@jessecoonce1363]

No one looked good defensively on Detroit's roster last year. I'm not going to try and convince anyone that Walman is a great player, but Yzerman gave up a 2nd round pick to move a guy that other teams would have taken for nothing, or potentially even given up a minor asset for, while retaining total duds like Chiarot and Holl(Petry too, though he doesn't have a terrible cap hit and only one year remaining).

[@jonahs5956]

Of course his D stats were not good, he had the 2nd highest QOC in the NHL

[@rexmcdowd]

Even if Yzerman does something good with the extra cap space, it's not going to make a bad trade good. Getting rid of one of your best defensemen to free up cap space is like trying to lose weight by removing one of your kidneys.

[@dereksnively7692]

😅 what

[@grandtrunkwestern4165]

best defensemen? forget about a stretch that's a leap

[@thenickfoxx]

We're still talking about this? lol

[@Alaskaguys]

Let’s just hope copp also gets traded

[@ace2359]

He’s cooking something

[@redizit]

Kane Stamkos DeBrincat 2nd line 🤯

[@ace_fishing1660]

That pick was never ours, SJ wanted a 2nd to take the contract, and Steve went out and got one with the previous trade. We aren't losing anything!

[@hockeytalk13]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@rozzer6501]

this is braindead

[@gordoncheswick4169]

Yes. We did! Trading off Gibson for this guy in the second league in Europe somewhere - absolute madness!

[@timothywright778]

@@gordoncheswick4169 Yes. no one mentions the Gibson part of the whole mess. I don't know what his upside was but my understanding is that Gibson is a big right shooting defenseman.

[@ace_fishing1660]

Gibson may have looked good in that Finnish league, but its the Finnish league. Plus, 10 points in a season was average at best. He was expendable with minimal attachment by the fans. No one understands the Walman trade fully yet, but he had a miserable season compared to 22-23 and with the Blues. I'm sad to see him go as a fan, but I get it.

[@krimsonshadow94]

Well we got 2 D men that need spots and I get that no one wants Jeff, Ben or Holl but you really couldn't get anything better with Walman. Dude was a top shot blocker and was an excellent slap shot on the blue line, ya could have got a lot more then nothing

[@johanblomfeldt7681]

I still not gett it. I mean Wallman why. Bin better to get rith of holl. But moste likely it could be. Stamkos or gumtzel maby saaros

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Saros signed an 8 yr extension with Nashville today - better luck next time

[@johanblomfeldt7681]

@@pjpredhomme7699 Oki well that was to bad for wings . But i understand . Well just wait and see what happends

[@fitoquintero4577]

If redwings reach 2025 playoffs sanjose will help them

[@shatrod6000]

im going to call it now buffalo didnt want to trade down with the wings san jose facilitated the trade. detroits trading up to 11

[@dangroat4438]

Walman may have traded for cap space only. Not that he was a bad player for the Wings while he was here. During the recent playoff run from last season when they almost made it he was a healthy scratch from many of our final 20 games and it was unfair to him and that has to say something about the way Yzerman is trying to build our team. We need room on the roster for some of the younger defensemen that have shown promise in Grand Rapids and need to come up here to prove it. We sacrificed him to give him a better chance to thrive where he can. Future considerations might not seem like much now, but it will pay dividends for us later on.

[@vernonhowell4070]

Had to get him out of town before he was cancelled for cultural appropriation like it was 2021.

[@richierich398]

As a wings fan, I am dumbfounded right now

[@beatonlawrence47]

Similar to what Canucks have done?

[@ryanr5637]

We'll find out come J1

[@NoName-qs2jx]

It’s Jake Walman.

[@davidlove6500]

room for stamkos

[@davecomstock9544]

After the Sharks moved up from #14 to #11 today, it got me to wondering if San Jose had struck a tentative deal with Buffalo prior to the Walman deal, and the "future considerations" is that if the player Detroit covets is still available at #11, the Red Wings can move up for the #15 pick and a late rounder. Prior to the Buffalo trade, I just figured Detroit got San Jose's assurance they wouldn't take Detroit's guy one pick earlier, but that just didn't seem like enough going back to Detroit. The option to move from #15 up to #11 would be significant in this year's draft though.

[@davecomstock9544]

Or another possibility that came to mind after watching a KZbin video on Jacob Trouba's situation: Could the Sharks have agreed to retain a large chunk of salary for an expensive player Detroit has been negotiating a trade for?

[@davecomstock9544]

Just answered my own question: The Sharks already have retained salary for the maximum of 3 players allowed by NHL rules: Brent Burns (through the upcoming season), Erik Karlsson, and Tomas Hertl. Thank you, CapFriendly (RIP).

[@Bryguy1986]

Losing that 2nd rounder is gonna be devastating.

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@Bryguy1986 he got it from Nashville earlier the same day so chill out doomsday.

[@hckytwn3192]

@@RealMcCoy0205 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic

[@TylrVncnt]

@@RealMcCoy0205lol Memphis

[@Bryguy1986]

@@RealMcCoy0205 Yeah I was being sarcastic, I know it's hard to tell because the internet is crazy town.

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@TylrVncnt lol

[@coreyshafer4747]

Big trade and San Jose is needed to retain salary. The future considerations are them retaining salary for someone the wings ultimately get but goes through San Jose first for a bit of salary retention.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Wrong San Jose cannot retain salary for anyone --that horse has left the barn . Why is it so hard for you folks to accept Occam's razor - he did not want him on the red wings . and so much so that he was willing to pay to get him gone . = the end.

[@Ando2k10]

Clearing space for Jake Guentzel. Jake's from Omaha, and grew up as a Red Wings fan.

[@nuckles_237]

Yzerplan - I trust it a lot more than I trust Ken Holland. He went into the job with legitimate star players on the team already, basically the Wings when he took over. Yzerman is literally rebuilding the Wings from a dumpster fire like when he was drafted. Don't forget the whole reason the Wings were a dumpster fire was because Holland signed crazy long term contracts that the team is still paying on. He just dumped 3.4M of cap space, and made room for younger players with higher upside to be on the roster. Don't forget down the stretch he didn't play in 13 of the last 14 games. The Wings are going to have to eat Petry's and Holl's contracts, nobody will take them. Even with the couple bad FA signings, I trust Yzerman's track record.

[@brentdemonia6648]

The 2nd round pick included is that stumper. Walman a cap dump, fine. But to have to include a 2nd to get rid of him is wild. Sharks picked up a worse player off waivers

[@gordoncheswick4169]

Holland went off the deep end the last 10 years. But he built some of the best teams ever around the turn if the millennium

[@nuckles_237]

@@gordoncheswick4169 Through free agency not development, and the majority of the team was already built. He just added pieces like Hull, Hasek and Robitaille. Devellano was responsible for building the entire core. Detroit hasn't had a true superstar on the roster since Datsyuk retired, Love Zetterburg, but he wasn't the same at the end. Those two are basically the last great picks for Holland while he was with the Wings. Larkin is a great C but isn't a superstar outside Detroit. Raymond and Seider are superstars in the making, both were Yzerman draft picks. Name the last legitimate superstar drafted by Holland? Sing Holland's praises all you want, but he crippled the organization through shoddy drafts and rentals.

[@RealMcCoy0205]

People need to realize SJ has to send something back and they haven't, so that trade is till open and can expand to include more players and or picks.

[@kicken55]

future considerations at best will be a7th round pick and likely nothing....

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@kicken55 So you're saying Yzerman is just a dumbass that acquired a second round pick and gave it away with a player he could have just waived?

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@kicken55 you have no clue what could be happening. I believe more is to come next week and this trade expands.

[@pwvincil]

You might be on to something. Didn't San Jose just trade up for an 11th?

[@redbeard6403]

What did we give for future considerations for that trade we made with Colorado?

[@hollywood3511]

Something I do not think I've seen mentioned is Yzerman's relationship with San Jose GM Verbeek. San Jose needs some decent players if they want their #1 pick in the NHL this year. Yzerman needs to clear cap space to be aggressive in free agency given the uncertainty of the Seider and Raymond contracts. Add the fact Edvinsson is LD and played serious minutes at the end of the year while pushing for the playoffs and is better defensively. Likely Yzerman is replacing Walman with a better and more defensively responsible Edvinsson. Yzerman just did his friend Verbeek a solid while at the same time clearing a roster spot and freeing cap space. Future considerations may be San Jose taking on some salary for Detroit if they need it trying to sign free agents since San Jose needs to reach the cap floor. Yzerman needs that wiggle room in place before July 1st. Getting salary back in a trade is likely not what Yzerman wanted. The Nashville trade for the 2nd round pick Yzerman gave Verbeek involved swapping two prospects which are no where close to NHL ready. I find this to be a good move at face value. Yzerman helps Verbeek, Verbeek helps Yzerman. Yzerman can now be aggressive in free agency. Declaring this bad asset management right now is premature and quite frankly ridiculous. I like Walman and am sad to see him go. However, Yzerman found room for Edvinsson. He will be on an entry level contract at the same position Walman played. You want the kids to take spots, someone has to go. If Edvinsson wasn't NHL ready, Walman is probably still in Detroit. If you don't have Seider and Raymond signed, you ensure you have the flexibility for a FA season with several very good players. I find the Walman trade between Yzerman and Verbeek good for both parties involved. If Jake Walman being on your roster is the difference between making the playoffs and not, you are not where you want to be in the first place. If Yzerman can land a big FA or two, this move was well worth it. Bottom line, he gave Verbeek Walman to move the salary and make room for Edvinson. The second round pick is likely where "future considerations" come in. You would have to assume given Yzerman's track record, those considerations may require a second round pick.

[@carmanwright2889]

Pat Verbeek isn’t the GM of the Sharks. lol He’s the GM for the Ducks.

[@TylrVncnt]

Are you trolling? Verbeek is Anaheim Ducks GM… Mike Grier is SJ’s

[@emushowers7635]

​@@carmanwright2889I don't even know what was being said in that whole essay. I read them saying Verbeek was the shark's GM and stopped reading right there

[@yzerab19]

Uh he is Anaheim gm

[@carmanwright2889]

@@emushowers7635 😂

[@oldjarhead386]

So what exactly is the “Yzerplan”? To stay out of the playoffs? If so, at least he and Chris Illitch are on the same page.

[@derekhand7904]

Terrible move should have put him on waivers first. The Steve 🤖’s are out in full force telling me king Stevie can do no wrong.

[@cameronfranke8566]

Wait till you see the real reason why we made this movie Jacka$$ cause you have no idea how good and how this move will impact our team with what yzerman is doing in the next couple of days

[@derekhand7904]

I hope you joking, cus if not you delusional. It doesn’t matter what the move is he didn’t have to pay someone to take wall, and if hadn’t made so many terrible deals before this the wings wouldn’t have to get rid of him.

[@Disciple_of_Larkin71]

I have no more faith in Yzerman. He has no clue what he’s doing.

[@broaaakkkaaa3822]

Sad being a die hard wings fan right now.. And if you say anything against Yzerman the Yzerbots come and call you out for “not knowing hockey”

[@BradTyler1984]

Yzerman is doing a good job. His big mistake is the Lalonde hire imo.

[@Twistytwiggy]

He's going to make you look like a fool. Go find another team to root for.

[@Twistytwiggy]

​@@broaaakkkaaa3822He's going to make you look like a fool. Go find another team to root for.

[@jeffwalker5514]

What if Yzerman working his two week notice before taking a job with the Sharks 😂

[@hockeytalk13]

The yzerscam going in full force 😂 this pos will never be fired either. The team needs to be sold and the entire front office stripped to the bone

[@Twistytwiggy]

😂 like you know more about hockey than Steve freaking Yzerman. You are the pos. Go find a different picture and team to root for. I will come back to this comment when Yzerman signs someone much better than Walman and the wings make the playoffs this season.

[@debisusan4338]

I was a Stevie fan, huge, no more. He is done! Time for him to go, even if he makes a big deal.

[@Twistytwiggy]

He's going to make you look like a fool. Go find another team to root for.

[@p.rick12]

Wings picked Gibson 1 position ahead of NASHVILLE... Trotz stole Gibson. Yzerman lost both trades

[@RealMcCoy0205]

One trade isn't even finished so how did he lose it? Swapping prospects and getting a second too isn't losing. lol

[@TylrVncnt]

@@RealMcCoy0205I don’t think you understand how trades work, the trade is the trade

[@gordoncheswick4169]

ABSOLUTELY!!!

[@gordoncheswick4169]

@@RealMcCoy0205 it is if you give it away……

[@RealMcCoy0205]

@@gordoncheswick4169 I guess you just cherry-pick what you comment on. you obviously seen where I said one trade isn't even finished so it's not given away.

[@marcbabineau6001]

I don’t get the hype with Yzerman, don’t like his signings and this teams build is beyond weird

[@gordoncheswick4169]

If SY wants to be a contender, it needs to get rougher, big, more scoring prospects. Gibson was DEFINITELY an NHLer in the making

[@Twistytwiggy]

He's going to make you all look like fools. Go find another team to root for.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

His reputation comes from what he did with Tampa - where he took a really bad team and turned them into a contender within a couple years - and Team Canada - yeah he had a lot to work with there but the teams he built were completely dominating and did it with such precision . His time in Detroit has not been as successful. His scouting staff in Tampa was better IMO - Detroit has had a very poor scouting department other than Haakan Anderson for a long time now. I like Yzerman -but the Red wings let the best GM go IMO- Jim Nill .