Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense vs Hollow-Point bullet through a Barrier. Here's what happened.

[@Johnny_Utah333]

I enjoyed this demonstration! Thank You! Also, I understand the point of it too. It shows what happens when a hollow point gets plugged up from any type of barrier. Real world situations are not like Hollywood movies, where bullets do not penetrate drywall, wooden doors, car panels etc. So complain, be negative about this video if you want. Or be grateful that what they are saying is that it pays to use ammo designed for defense. The last thing you would ever want to do is have a round not work properly or hurt someone that was innocent . Thanks again for the knowledge.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thank you for this comment.

[@2A_lifestyle]

That's some beautiful a$$ kissary there! But in a self defense scenario the likelyhood that you will be shooting through any barrier other than heavy clothing is slim to none. If you're shooting through walls you're probably shooting holes in your "self defense" case in court also. If this were being marketed to law enforcement or home defense however, i could see a relevant need for a so called "barrier blind" projectile. But anything else is just a marketing strategy.

[@mdkell4261]

How long have you worked for Lehigh?

[@chucknononsense146]

The way you avoid hurting someone that was innocent is abiding by the 4th rule of safe gun handling. Know your target and what is behind and around it.

[@1unvbill]

In home defense, if you miss there is a good chance you will hit a wall or wooden piece of furniture. It isn’t Hollywood to shoot through wood or drywall and demonstrate what could happen. In reality, I believe most people use hollow points for home and self defense.

[@nikos6220]

Thx Wilson Combat Team for the great test and especially your honesty showing that unusually large permanent wound cavity of the clogged hollow point.

[@shawndodson6805]

That isn't an "unusually large permanent wound cavity". The cracks in the gelatin depict the temporary cavity produced when the bullet yawed in the gelatin block. The temporary cavity usually doesn't cause tissue damage more than bruising. Gelatin stretches, then cracks, when the stretching exceeds the ability of the gelatin to absorb the strain of being stretched. Whereas most soft tissues easily stretch and absorb the strain with very little damage.

[@nikos6220]

@@shawndodson6805 as they showed the projectile was a basically a FMJ. If you watch tests in Gelatine you normally see a way narrower disruption of the gel for such a clogged hollow point. As others already mentioned, it probably tumbled. IMHO they could have repeated the test and gotten a more favorable comparison picture, which they didn’t. Hence my comment.

[@shawndodson6805]

@@nikos6220 The disruption in the gelatin is misleading. It is not a depiction of tissue damaged by the bullet.

[@taofledermaus]

I admit I am confused about how the plywood would translate into a real-world scenario.

[@DinoNucci]

This was a case study in confirmation bias

[@invictusfarmer7188]

maybe shooting through plywood at hurricane ian looters lol

[@TerryPullen]

Plywood vest... obviously!

[@Davidg368]

I always assumed it was part of the fbi protocol for furniture or possibly homes with that old very thick paneling that was more common in that 70s and 80s

[@lindafoxwood78]

TAOFLEDERMAUS - most criminals carry plywood, duh. But on a visual note; the last 13 seconds of the video show the wound channel was bigger and wider for the hollow point. Did this video mention the speed of the 124 gr. VS the 90 gr.? I do not remember that part, or how many meat targets/criminals are 16 inches wide where I could worry about any secondary friendlies.

[@edwardbiasi37]

It looks like the non-expanding jhp made more cavitation than the extreme defense

[@stanswihart3524]

Yes, the JHP caused more damage. More damage equals more bleeding equals stopping the threat sooner.

[@Lucas12v]

I'm surprised by the wound channe of the hp. Seemed pretty big considering that it didn't open. Personally, I'd feel safe carrying either round.

[@gurugoguzhanson]

It looks like it started tumbling inside and again on the way out.

[@mrchavez1967]

The hollow point tumbled.

[@kentwilliams3326]

Interesting. The slow motion replay of the hollow-point exiting the gel block really “appeared” to have expanded.

[@kevingraham8535]

Thank you! I asked, and y’all responded!

[@gowilsoncombat]

Any time!

[@doghousedon1]

Looks to me, in spite of being clogged, the hollow point still outperformed the Lehigh bullet, who's wound channel looks almost non existent. Thanks for the vid. BTW, you should get yourself one of those high tech fleece bullet traps like Paul uses.

[@mrchavez1967]

Hollow point tumbled.

[@gscott9665]

Pretty much as expected. A test designed for the fluted projectile. I like the ammo, but this is a sales video. Love Wilson Combat. Great content. Outstanding presenters, bust not this time. No problem, your batting average is .999.

[@kentwilliams3326]

The only thing that seemed off was that he didn’t announce the make of the Hollow point ammunition. Additionally, if you watch the slow motion video of the hollow point round as it exits the gel block it seems to have been expanded.

[@paulscountry456]

That hp looks like it tumbled and left a cavity,the 65 grain ED in 357 Sig will penetrate very deep through hard barriers but put the brakes on in tissue and is just a great bullet,I have tested them in several videos they will bore through a thick roll of floor paper 4 inches thick two sheets of 5"8 drywall a sheet of 3/4 plywood and a steel stud both sides and exit with enough retained energy to explode a 16 oz can of spaghetti sauce.

[@waynejohnson3214]

From the camera viewpoint, the cavity caused by the hollow point appeared much larger. I'd have liked to seen it from all angles.

[@riverflyswatter]

Thanks for producing the video. I’m curious. Most wall in modern homes are 1/2 inch material. 3/4 is typically flooring.

[@silverAlphashooter]

Would like to see this test again but using Tshirt material..... shooting thru plywood isn't very realistic

[@daleparker4207]

Thanks

[@jimd8008]

Thank you again

[@gowilsoncombat]

Our pleasure!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Seems the HP projectile only disrupted the gel early on due to tumbling. If it didn't tumble, I'd suggest it would be much less permanent disruption.

[@dominickcolasanto6582]

Good to know!

[@MrDaleStroud]

Even though there’s a plethora of gel test videos with every round available through every firearm on the market…still…kinda like’em. 😜

[@drummerdavemax]

I'm wondering if the difference in bullet weight made a difference ...looked like the 90 grain got 75% of the penetration that the 124 grain got, which is the exact difference in weight.

[@kenboyles72]

Was about to say the same thing. If the Xtreme Defense was the same weight, would it have gone all the way through as well? And is this the regular or +P Xtreme Defense?

[@drummerdavemax]

@@kenboyles72 Totally! ...& I saw the chrono there, but he didn't show the difference in fps and I would've liked to know that too. Hopefully they'll do another vid soon!

[@kenboyles72]

I think there is to much hype on a lot of ammo. Like I replied to another comment here, even though the HP went all the way through, there wasn't enough energy left to do any major damage. Plus the fact that it was shot through plywood first, to purposely defect the HP round, kinda makes me question the legitimacy of this test.

[@onpsxmember]

@@kenboyles72 Of course it was shot through a clogging barrier blindness of XDef round cause that 's what is interesting if one is in buildings with furniture or may have to stop someone through a wind shield. The only reason this gets so much flak is the weight difference and that the presentation lacked a bit of confidence.

[@gowilsoncombat]

We will produce more gel tests. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@glennrogers9905]

An excellent demonstration. Thanks.

[@kenhoward3512]

I wonder what the test outcome would be if the hollow point round was a Hornady FTX, with the hollow center of the bullet pre-filled, which does actually prevent clogging before expansion?

[@herbertconrad5714]

Would have been nice to see cavitation on a new gel block for comparison

[@robertschulke1596]

Seems like shooting through heavy clothing would also clog the hollow point. Have you tested that?

[@gowilsoncombat]

We have more Gel Test videos coming! Thanks for the recommendation.

[@TheRealZJE313]

Nice job I run both in 45 extreme penetrator and Winchester Ranger t series and Federal HST 230gr hollow

[@gowilsoncombat]

To see how the 90 gr Xtreme Defense performed without a barrier watch this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX6VpWuCppiam7c

[@CDT61352]

Nice video, I'd have preferred both bullets of the same weight, showing the velocity of both, and the same test through some t-shirt + denim material.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Thanks for the suggestion. We will produce more gel tests.

[@galeburgess5309]

How much gel penetration did the 90 grain have without going through the plywood?

[@johnsmithjr.1731]

Probably 16 to 18

[@eskimosog]

18 to 18 1/4.

[@la_old_salt2241]

He said 15 1/2 inches in the video.

[@gowilsoncombat]

In this test without a barrier it went about 18" kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX6VpWuCppiam7c

[@galeburgess5309]

@@la_old_salt2241 Wasn't that after passing through the plywood though?

[@turkeyhunter7617]

Good comparison!

[@Pscooter7]

Seems like the premium hollow point still had a larger wound cavity within the same distance. Also the penetration test overall wasn’t apples to apples considering the defense bullets were 90 and the premium was 124. A clogged premium seemed to do better the the defense bullets

[@evnrayash]

Has there been a real world shooting using XDs ?

[@johnmiller1925]

Well this shoot well out of a p365 with a 3.1 inch barrel?

[@daltybell]

If both bullets were the same weight, would we see the same effects?

[@gowilsoncombat]

We will record more gel tests. Thanks for your suggestion.

[@tylerrodriguez9233]

I’m rocking Extreme Defender in my SFX9

[@boomanh63]

The 124 HP didn't have much on it coming out of the gel block. It was tumbling and I highly doubt it was very far from the table. Not surprising it got clogged and didn't open. Would be interesting to know just which brand it was as some of us may be carrying that now.

[@gurugoguzhanson]

It looks like Federal HST but I could be wrong

[@kenboyles72]

Even if it did go all the way through, there was not enough energy left to do any damage.

[@KD-lb9bg]

It was a Federal HST. I alike these guys, but I see several shenanigans with this particular testing protocol, Lol. I wouldn’t be afraid to carry my HST’s, Gold Dots, Winchester Defenders, Remington HTP’s, or Critical Defense rounds based on this obviously skewed testing.

[@patientestant]

@@kenboyles72 could still take out an eye or kill someone.

[@PPISAFETY]

@@KD-lb9bg I did professional level FBI type testing for a part of my living for a number of police agencies and have participated in actual manfacturer's testing with no shenanigans. I know this because I was the one firing the gun. If you are carrying something good such as duty grade HST or Gold Dot, bullet clogging in most barriers is simply not a concern. All of the "majors" are selling their products to law enforcement agencies based on not only price, but performance. They all seem to work pretty well in standardized tests with minor design and performance variations. I use HST's and Gold Dots (whichever I can get), and the HST expands a bit more and penetrates a bit less, while the reverse is true with Gold Dots. It's not enough to lose sleep over either way.

[@jefferypeterson2119]

Wound cavity is way bigger with the hollow then the chaos.. chaos shined without over penetrating

[@jeffshermer9361]

The hollow point also did more damage though.

[@patrickgoncalves3878]

What about a hornady critical defense or critical duty that has silicone in the hollow cavity to push the bullet to expand out when plywood or whatever tries to clog it.

[@jpo2311]

Military arms channel has a video comparing this round, the critical duty, gold dot and hst. The crit duty under performed. Worst of the 4. The lehigh out performed all the others. Good video.

[@TheRealZJE313]

What BRAND premium hollow point is that?

[@deucedeuce1572]

The HP did look like it lost nearly all its energy when it left the block. It went through Quick, but then came out slow. Nothing beats Underwood/Lehigh Xtreme rounds though. I'd buy them if they weren't charging ridiculously unfair amounts of money for them.

[@alejandrovargas7592]

Plywood seems like an odd choice. Cars don't have plywood doors, body armor isn't made of plywood. Interior walls aren't plywood usually. For a more realistic test of a round's viability to deal with a resistant barrier, use a car door, a windshield, drywall, or interior door, each with a gel block behind. That would be way more useful.

[@Davidg368]

There going to show 1 ot the 6 fbi standards that that showcases that round vs other ammo the best

[@salomaomariano1796]

I suggest a comparision RIP ammo versus G9 Defense bullet.

[@nikos6220]

Can you share why you opted for the 90 grain. From all I have seen, speed is king for the XD design. So why not use the 68 grain? Thx

[@toddsb07]

Same test with a red tip hornady would be interesting.

[@100vg]

Please give me a link to the Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense vs Hollow-Point without the plywood, just the ballistic gel. I knew the Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense would do better than the Hollow-Point from going through plywood first, but I would like to see the one without the plywood. It also may not be fair that the Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense is only 90 grain while the Hollow-Point is 124 grain, depending on the powder load. Are all things equalized through velocity and any other factors? The 90 grain Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense was slowed down enough by the plywood that it didn't exit this time, but the 124 grain Hollow-Point must have had more powder and faster velocity. I've seen some showing that the Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense exits the ballistic gel with enough speed and force to injure or kill a nearby bystander, but I doubt the Hollow-Point would. I use Hollow-Point .45 ACP, but would consider Lehigh Defense - Xtreme Defense if it was made in .45 ACP. Will it ever be? And let's see an equalized comparison with the ballistic gel only covered at the entry side by a material similar to a shirt that would be commonly worn, please. It could be wrapped around a bit to be able to clearly see the target square. By equalized, I mean both bullets the same weight, same powder load and traveling at the same velocity, or as equalized as possible. And maybe another one in the same video with a common jacket material instead of a shirt material, please, but a second ballistic gel block to keep it more fair, if that makes a difference. Seems two bullets in one ballistic gel should be enough for that one. Otherwise, there could be vast variations in the gel, depending on entry points. Thanks in advance.

[@gowilsoncombat]

Here is a test that shows how the 90 grain Xtreme Defense did without a barrier. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX6VpWuCppiam7c

[@eddiearchuleta615]

Does yours hit as hard as underwood? They load them hot the way defense ammo should be

[@jubjub905]

Do we have any data on any of these lehigh rounds have been used in self defense and what the actual effects were?

[@Davidg368]

KZbin primary secondary modcast 308..it's from a month ago one of the officers mentioned a suicide thought the head woth all the wat through but flutes didn't do anything..it does cut I nice deep whole that's it ..possible handy for a 380. To get the penatration If 9mm 45acp vs human not the best option ..of my options were between this and fmj that different this ammo has a front that will cut like a wadcutters..this vs hst golddot..not even close

[@invictusfarmer7188]

i love how it always looks like a lightning strike at full speed. gets my man card wigglin lol

[@goinhot9133]

There is a flash, combustion from the air pressure

[@invictusfarmer7188]

@@goinhot9133 pretty fascinating to watch. you would think if you see a few gel videos you have seen them all. for sure not the case.

[@goinhot9133]

@@invictusfarmer7188 556 does a pretty awesome job at doing this

[@johnstarr2326]

You need to get out more...!😂

[@pauldeahl3980]

why not disclose the manufacturer of the HP?

[@gabrielduell5226]

The premium 9mm projectile they used was the federal HST

[@bernardhayes4459]

Very educational video. Fluted bullets have replaced HP ammo of any kind for my daily carry.

[@Davidg368]

KZbin primary secondary modcast 308 it's from a month ago

[@gurugoguzhanson]

@@Davidg368 its almost 3 hours, but ill listen to it, thanks :)

[@kennyharp4125]

Would the test result be different if you tested similar grain 9mm? Why test a 90Gr against a 124gr? Really looking for knowledge here.

[@coltkiss.45]

Can you guys show the test of .45 as well?

[@gowilsoncombat]

We will record more gel tests. Thanks for your suggestion.

[@joeybagodoughnuts3357]

We run Sheetrock cowboy. That would be important.

[@gurugoguzhanson]

The XD seemed pretty weak after going through the plywood. It made the same wound channel or less than a clogged HP 🤷‍♂

[@DinoNucci]

Correct

[@paulg1827]

Where can you get your hat?

[@DrTech-pw2cu]

I don't imagine I would shoot somebody behind a piece of plywood or through a wall.

[@chuckster243]

Unless they were shooting at you, from behind that plywood, or wall.

[@surfandstreamfisher5749]

the wound channel looks larger with the hollow point bullet.

[@MDMiller60]

But you didn't test the xtreme without the board. Wouldn't it have gone completely through the jell?

[@steveh7108]

You should have walked around with the video and showed the other side of the gel. Because from this side it looked like the Lehigh did not do as good of a permanent wound track. I know from watching other videos that it does do very well so it is probably just the bad camera angle but the point is that it defeated your purpose of promoting the performance. By not showing a good angle of the wound track.

[@PPISAFETY]

I am sure that Wilson's Lehigh Ammunition is a good performer, or Bill wouldn't have bought the company. I'm also sure that his non-hollowpoint rounds would be very useful in places where civilian use of hollow points is unlawful, as in New Jersey. But I'm not quite ready to give up on well designed premium hollow points. I spent about 20 years doing professional level FBI spec gelatin testing, and have found that with loads such as 9mm which reach expansion threshold, hollow point clogging in true premium ammo hasn't really been an issue for quite some time. In these days of repeatable FBI standard tests, one has to look pretty hard to find real, name brand LE grade ammo that fails in the FBI Plywood barrier test. I don't know what type and brand of this "premium hollowpoint" is, but if this was typical peformance, LE ammo companies would not get too many contracts. There are older hollow point designs still made that won't pass muster on FBI tests, but they are not what I would consider "premium" in any modern sense of the word. My two current carry 9mm +P loads (I use whichever I can get) are the Federal 124 grain HST, and the Speer Gold Dot. On the Plywood test I repeatably get 14-15 inches penetration with the HST and about an inch deeper with the Gold Dot. Both expand reliably, with the HST opening to a larger diameter than the Gold Dot. I'm not being critical about the Lehigh ammunition. I'm certain Bill Wilson wouldn't sell it if he didn't believe in it. I'm sure it is fine, and I might well use it on hogs and might also choose it if I thought I'd have to shoot through auto glass, which is a bitch on conventional hollow points. As mentioned, it might be just the thing if you live in New Jersey. I'm just pointing out that in my experience, hollow point clogging with modern premium law enforcement grade ammo is not a major concern. I guess also that one of my concerns is adopting self defense ammo for which there does not seem to be any actual human shooting data as yet. It could be a while before we get enough of that to be of value. I think this ammo has some value, but I'm not quite ready to switch up just yet.

[@gabrielduell5226]

It's 124 g HST

[@truckerdaddy-akajohninqueb4793]

Ok, do I need to poke a hole or blast a hole. Hunting seal, I'm supposed to use a 22 copper hollow-point. But through a hefty chunk of wood, it doesn't really open up? 🤔 A lead, long rife, yes

[@WGH-ef5ze]

And the point of the exercise is????

[@gowilsoncombat]

Hollow Points clog up when shot through a barrier but Xtreme Defense is barrier blind.

[@WGH-ef5ze]

@@gowilsoncombat oh. So don’t shoot through plywood with HP bullets at things, let me see 🤔🤔🤔. Okay I won’t and I won’t do it with Lehigh Xtreme bullets. Let’s just avoid the shooting at anything we can’t clearly identify. I think there is universal safety rule that goes something like …be sure of your target and WHAT IS BEYOND…. You guys pump out great content but this video is questionable with your brand associated to it because it would imply that the exercise has some kind of validity. I guess if we’re just demonstrating with bullets do through obstacles it’s fine but unfortunately the Internet community may read more into this and draw conclusions that are unsafe.

[@billessex4616]

You could have caught the first round in your hand coming out of the gel block. Strange comparison.

[@tomsbigtrucks]

What caliber 🤷🏻

[@gowilsoncombat]

9mm

[@PRINCE_175]

I don’t know what everyone else is looking at but the 124g HST …oh sorry the premium hollow 😂 Did better with a larger wound cavity through the plywood 🤔 Ok it did exit the block but think about it 30 years ago everyone shot FMJ… just be responsible where you’re shooting 👍🏾

[@Macallan562]

That's why don't shoot "through walls".

[@chuckster243]

The plywood seems to be putting a lot of people "off". Consider an assailant/combatant, firing at you (ambush comes to mind real quick) from behind a plywood wall, concrete block wall, or some other structure, (construction sites fit the bill nicely, like checking the progress of your new house or office building). If you've been training to "get to cover" like you should be, what would lead you to believe someone else wouldn't do the same, or start from cover? I'm not real impressed with this test but I understand the concept of where it could be of value. Oh yeah, and use a 40S&W.

[@johnstarr2326]

10mm 😁

[@chuckster243]

@@johnstarr2326 My next purchase!😁

[@glennrogers9905]

Be great to see the same test with a .380.

[@brianmcsorley3229]

Secondary target ?

[@MegaCraptacular]

I heard they are making hoodies out of 3/4" now.

[@shawndodson6805]

The cracks in the gelatin block are being misinterpreted by many as the "permanent wound cavity". It is not. The cracks simply depict the temporary cavity. The bullet yawed as it penetrated the gelatin block. When it traveled sideways it pushed more gelatin away from the wound track, stretching the gelatin and causing it to crack when the strain exceeded its ability to stretch. Whereas soft tissues are more resilient than gelatin. Most soft tissues can easily stretch and withstand temporary cavity disruption produced by handgun bullets in common combat calibers with no more damage than being bruised. The permanent cavity produced by this bullet is no larger in diameter than the bullet itself. Only the gelatin the bullet came into direct contact with was crushed - producing a hole no larger in diameter than the leading edge of the bullet as it penetrated and yawed.

[@PPISAFETY]

Hi Shawn. Nice to see you are still around. I used to read your posts on ammunition way back in the days of AOL and computer bulletin boards. If you are who I think you are, I remember that you used to have some spirited exchanges with DocRocket. Take care.

[@perseusrex614]

wow, the HP had 4x the wound track, even without opening! those lehighs are worthless even in a test designed for them.

[@JimDangle-z5t]

Yeah but aren’t 99% of self defense shootings open air and not shooting through barriers?

[@TATE-d6z]

With the price of wilson guns you think they could afford 2 gel blocks ?

[@skye1212]

So did the Lehigh not open up? Why wouldn't it clog up? Would have liked to see what it looked like after like the 124gr he showed.

[@Ando2k10]

It's not a hollow point, so it doesn't open up. It's a solid metal, fluted, projectile.

[@kalcolt744]

Only real world scenario the Lehigh perform better is in short barrels with velocities under 850fps. Show bare gel of this. Expansion under 850 Is ify on hollow points.

[@visualverbs]

If homes hadn't repeated himself to the point of provoking nausea, this could have been a one and half minute video.

[@fredrickg5697]

Interesting but would like to see it without the plywood. In a self defense situation nobody is going to be carrying plywood

[@nagaviper1169]

Wouldn't both go through a human torso?

[@jjgriffin3275]

The hollow point made a better wound channel, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[@veteranredbeard6222]

This seems to me that they wanted a way to make their bullet look better than hollow, so they found a material that would clog up the tip and showed us "what can happen". Lol

[@StrangeSwag]

if anything they proved hollow points are better for the innocent people in surrounding rooms by it clogging up if it goes through a wall and hits an unintended target

[@jackspencer8290]

Why in the **** would I base my ammo selection on what happens when my target is behind a layer of plywood?? This video is a great illustration of how this ammo is nothing but a gimmick that “fixes” a non-existent issue.

[@bobrockefeller1348]

How is it that a 90gr bullet can deliver the ‘same’ energy into a target as a 124gr bullet?

[@patientestant]

Higher velocity

[@bobrockefeller1348]

@@patientestant Maybe. But there was no velocity mentioned even though a Lab Radar was set up. And how much velocity would be lost by the lighter bullet vs. the heavier after the plywood?

[@3Pillers]

👍

[@Pookie556x45]

This has to be one of the most illogical Apples to Taco’s tests I’ve ever seen. First off, no sane lawful gun owner would or should ever shoot a “target” blindly through 3/4” plywood period. Second, using what looks to be a Gold Dot is disingenuous at best. Why not test against a Hornady FTX that has a chance to not get clogged up? Why not put the plywood on the back-side of the target to test over penetration of both rounds? This video just convinced me to keep my Hornady Critical Duty carry ammo.

[@tommyhill268]

Raise your hand if you also don't understand what this video was trying to demonstrate? Congrats....the Lehigh didn't over penitrate.... it also left a wound channel half the size of the clogged HP. You probably could of made the same point comparing 9mm HP to a 380 HP! I was always a little hesitant on the solid bullets but man, this video did more to confirm my initial thoughts rather than disprove them. It would be interesting to see the XD against a 115g FMJ. My guess is they probably look about the same. Way to go Lehigh?!?

[@steveisgood2go]

Tell i what I'd love to see: 2:06

[@TheQuidditchfan]

In all of the gel test videos that I have seen, both with barriers and without, the Lehigh defense comes out on top for permanent wound damage, and barrier blindness. I've been so impressed by this round, that I've since changed my carry ammo. This round is not like the Rip round, and several others out there which I feel are gimmicks, it is the real deal.

[@andrewg.2165]

I’m a streamer defender fan….but it tumbled sooooo

[@Adam-nv9zo]

This video didn't exactly prove anything. The hollow point just kinda fell out of the end of the block. I don't honestly think that projectile had enough energy left to be a concern as far as collateral damage goes. The hollow exhibited better real-world results. Under penetrating rounds will never be the answer to real-world scenarios of personal defense.

[@jrbailey3208]

Sadly, Wilson does something that I didn't expect them to do: provide a false comparative and thus, a false test of the ammo presented. The presenter did NOT stipulate whether this test had in mind LEO usage or civilian usage. LEO usage MIGHT have at least some context to the test, as officers do sometimes need to shoot THROUGH some type of barrier, attempting to strike an assailant. However, in a Civilian Context, this test is almost worthless, both in public settings and in home settings. Assailants in public, in MOST encounters, are not hiding behind 1/2" or 5/8" plywood sheeting; they are out 'in the open' and wearing standard clothing for the given season during which the encounter takes place: t-shirt, hoodie or light jacket for most of the year, medium to heavy coat over a t-shirt and regular shirt. Public encounters take place in Convenience Stores, restuarants, sidewalks, driveways, etc., rather than at a construction site where such plywood sheeting might be found. Drywall would have been a more useful tool IF Wilson had wanted to simulate an 'in the home' encounter. The bottom line for me is that this video should be classified in the category 'propaganda' or 'snake oil'; it's only usefulness MIGHT be found IF an assailant is in a construction site, a housing sub-division that is being built, or some other location where there is an abundance of heavy plywood sheeting, otherwise, it's just an 'infomercial' for Xtreme Defense and nothing else. Shame on Wilson for stooping so low in such a manner. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY

[@kennethferguson4283]

Problems here, the caliber tested was a 9mm, the XD round used was the heavier slower 90gr vs the higher velocity 68gr, the round was made by Lehigh Defense which loads it's ammo much weaker than Underwood. I carry an Underwood 68gr XD in a G31 357 Sig caliber which gets a velocity of 2200 fps with 765 ft. lbs. of energy! A 9mm Lehigh 90gr XD is no more than just wishful thinking, evidenced by this sad performance.

[@litsci4690]

I don't shoot through plywood. Shows nothing and don't care.

[@jwbowles86]

1. Someone willing to shoot through a barrier probably hasn't put too much thought into overpenetration. 2. Shoot that XD through a gel block with no barrier. I'm willing to bet you have both overpenetration and zero expansion, especially considering the distance at which the majority of self defense scenarios actually take place. 3. Barrier or not, if we're looking to achieve between 12-18" of penetration with the expectation of zero expansion, why not just carry some powderpuff FMJs?

[@chuckster243]

If someone were shooting at me from behind a barrier I would be more concerned that I had enough to shoot through the barrier and return the favor, hopefully a little more accurately/effect.

[@johnstarr2326]

A realistic demonstration / test would have been the use of a car door, drywall, cement block. I take it...there was a sale on plywood 🤣🤣

[@TheAxe4Ever]

My takeaway from this….the lightweight 90 grain projectile didn’t have enough ass behind it to go through. And boy! Did he gloss over the obviously better wound channel from the plugged up hollow point or what? Let’s be realistic about this, shall we. The fear of injuring an innocent person beyond your intended target due to over penetration from a pistol is extremely overblown and overhyped. The biggest threat to an innocent person beyond your intended target is greater by far from a missed shot due to poor aiming and gun handling from a panicked defender with poor training in a stressful situation. In fact, I’ve never heard of an innocent person being killed or injured from an over penetration pistol shot in a self defense scenario. I’ve looked.

[@veteranredbeard6222]

So wait a minute...you are shooting through a barrier to get to a potential target, and you claim it's good you arent hitting a secondary target?? If you have to shoot through a barrier, forget trying to save a secondary. Why? Because I guarantee that plywood won't be what you have to shoot through. It will be a thicker barrier.

[@stuntmanmike37]

I feel if I'm shooting through plywood at an assailant I may have trouble defending myself in court.

[@chuckster243]

Not if they were shooting at you from behind that plywood barrier. Home invasion comes to mind real quick.

[@JJ_SDWR]

Correct, you're probably going to jail. Not sure what this video was supposed to prove lol

[@johny9516]

@@JJ_SDWR It was basically an advertisement. I believe Wilson owns Lehi.

[@la_old_salt2241]

OK, someone behind cover is firing at you trying to kill you. You're telling me you won't return fire in your own defense, just because they are behind cover? Do you actually carry a sidearm in real life or only in video games?

[@stuntmanmike37]

@@la_old_salt2241 I carry a 40 watt plasma rifle as my daily and a 45 longslide with laser sighting for my night stand gun, but those probably aren't as big as what you carry.

[@Tomindy46203]

Great sales pitch?

[@zigbeegooblesnort125]

Is it a bonded hollowpoint, and what kind of zombie wears plywood?

[@Davidg368]

Solid copper shaped like a Phillips head screw driver except from flat act like a deep penatrating wadcutter.. only problem is people this the flutes ate going to act like a boat propeller in a human..gel is a homogeneous material tha give the flutes constant resistance the entire time..so it looks cool in testing..I'd pick it all day over fmjs given no other options or if I carried a 380 and this ammo feed reliably