Lenovo Attacked My Investment - WAN Show August 19, 2022

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Timestamps: (Courtesy of NoKi1119)
0:00 Chapters.
1:08 Intro.
1:33 Topic #1: Lenovo sends Frameworks a cease & desist.
2:53 Legion logo compared to Mercedez-Benz.
4:10 Linus & Luke agree with Lenovo.
6:04 Topic #2: Apple restricts third-party tracking.
7:42 Ads sold on applications, hypocritical Apple.
10:50 Luke setting up an iPhone to check tracking.
11:10 LTTStore's RGB hoodie.
13:56 Lambo edition LTT bottle.
Cont. Topic #2: Apple restricts third-patry tracking.
15:13 Reading Apple's "transparent" when setting up.
17:28 Topic #3: Discussing Metaverse's look.
19:16 Horizon Worlds, making avatar via Readyplayer.
25:26 Merch Messages #1.
26:32 Important lessons Linus teaches his kids.
29:38 Secret shopper for cell service provider.
30:54 Do writers have partial ownership of channels?
33:24 Favorite daily-driver phone.
37:18 How much damage Denis (& Colton) did to Linus's house.
44:22 Trust Me Bro Limited Lifetime Warranty.
Cont. Merch Messages #1.
47:00 Trust me bro shirt was requested on Twitter.
47:51 Sponsors.
48:05 Squarespace site maker.
48:53 XSplit live streaming.
49:42 Secretlab gaming chair.
50:52 Topic #4: DOOM ran on tractor display.
53:12 Is there a more anti-consumer company?
58:46 How John Deere hurts everyone.
1:00:16 LTTLabs is not LTTLab, discussing domain.
1:04:02 Lab32, reason behind the number.
1:06:26 Merch Messages #2.
1:06:34 Camera bag for the backpack, domain Strawpoll.
1:07:58 What games would Linus & Luke install on the tractor.
1:09:44 Steam alternatives.
1:12:30 "All domains I own" segment.
1:15:28 Frameworks' used hardware market.
1:16:30 Project Farm screwdriver testing.
1:17:28 LTTStore Screwdriver pop-up.
1:19:38 Linus calls about backpack's availability in the pop-up.
1:21:54 LTX, Linus recommends against early booking.
1:22:54 Merch Messages #3.
1:23:02 More home server, automation & labs.
1:24:45 What Linus plans to leave behind for the new owners.
1:25:37 NCIX's impact on Linus & LTTStore.
1:29:10 Hiring experienced V.S. learners.
1:33:14 Topic #5: Tesla accused of false autopilot advertisement.
1:38:02 Merch Messages #4.
1:38:12 VPS company suggestion ft. Linus's birthday.
1:39:40 Valve Index features & suggestions.
1:40:28 What do Linus & Luke eat?
1:41:58 Coolest case Linus & Luke built in.
1:44:00 Take on Samsung's Z Fold 4.
1:44:30 Labs on repairability or jailbreaks.
1:45:25 Labs on mics, interface, XLR & TRS.
1:48:12 Linus on long time format.
1:49:47 Any cool projects for computer vision?
1:49:56 What business help Linus got.
1:50:29 Budget server rack.
1:50:54 Benefits of gaming to buy consoles.
1:52:18 Floatplane QOL features & motivation.
1:54:32 Why Colton is always fired.
1:56:08 Do LTT employees get discount on merch?
1:58:28 DOS gaming PCs build in the future.
1:58:42 LTT RGB merch idea.
1:58:58 Linux-like challenge with Apple.
1:59:38 Linus on Beat Saber technique.
2:00:06 Selling KZbin videos for revenues.
2:02:52 Recommendations for rack-mount gaming
2:03:22 Linus's Epson projector.
2:04:22 Outro.

[@ProjectFarm]

Please send me (Todd at Project Farm) the LTT screwdriver. I'll buy it. I'd really like to offer a comprehensive review. I've had a LOT of requests to test it. Best regards, Todd

[@bartabadht]

I am very eager to see you test that!

[@spacebound1969]

If project farm reviews it favorably I will purchase an LTT screwdriver.

[@tag206]

Yes, KZbin dad needs a review sample.

[@twinversbr]

I would be very interested in seeing this.

[@smocca462]

I'd love to see this! Project Farm is my favorite KZbin channel I never imagined I'd see a crossover with LTT.

[@PhaythGaming]

“I don’t need to like everything we do, we’re a big company now” is a great example of why I like Luke. Able to have an opinion and be firm, but also approach his opinion with genuine humility and understanding.

[@NightRogue77]

AKA Self-Awareness

[@reynutz]

WHERE?

[@fthishandleshit]

That's a bad opinion from someone who gives too little fucks about everything.

[@MusicForHourss]

timestamp please

[@valtarijunkkala]

@@MusicForHourss 47:39, You are welcome

[@Kris2340k]

I feel like luke is 100% right on everything about the warranty Linus is reading what different people have written and has focused less on what most of us were worried about

[@TheArsenalgunner28]

I think Linus is seemingly offended that people don’t trust him. Because he is sincere about the bag and sincere about its quality and warranty, but the idea people don’t trust him seems out of reach to him because the dude has got a great track record for standards and setting a precedent. However LMG is huge, GamerNexus is right with the video he made. People who don’t watch LTT and don’t know the integrity his company sets out will treat like any other company and would seek out their warranties/gurantee’s. That’s what is important and I think it’s hard for Linus to grasp because he does everything he can to stay in touch with his community. I hope Linus comes through on it because the lack of detail on the warranty initially didn’t bother me that much, it’s his validation in the shirt sales that troubled me. That felt very out of touch

[@TheArsenalgunner28]

@UC36di11Rg-qThCxanBvPuRQ agreed. I suppose being in touch with your community directly may have blind sided him a little, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, he’s earned that ten fold. I hope he sees gamer nexus’s video and realises that people will treat his company like a real company as seeing someone he’s familiar with do that might put things in perspective for him. He’s still a human being, not a giant PR team and we’re seeing it from the horses mouth which I still value. You don’t get that from a giant like Nvidia or MSI for example but he does still need to get things in perspective. I value his standards and I’d like to see him progress on this because it can be hard to watch, especially when Luke can clearly see the issue and is trying his best to help him.

[@alaricpaley6865]

I think Linus needs to step back and listen to Luke because, dear God, Linus is really starting to feel more and more like just another rich guy whos out of touch with the public.

[@lucadanyvesstoelman9025]

can you maybe give a timestamp? I didn't find it anywhere

[@TheArsenalgunner28]

@@alaricpaley6865 I wouldn’t go that far tbh, I mean he’s allowing Luke to challenge him he calls out companies on their shit. I do wonder if he has an ego but I suppose everyone does, it’s just I’m shocked at how he seemingly dismisses the olive branch that Luke continually keeps throwing at him.

[@MajorBreakfast]

Luke is on the money with his take on the backpack issue. The desire for a proper written warranty is normal. It is not about saying Linus can't be trusted. Putting something in writing is a matter of consistent communication. Linus's reaction feels off-base. However, what deserves praise is that it is discussed openly in WAN show and thx to Luke both sides are represented.

[@Bunstonious]

Mocking your customers is bad. Thanks Luke for standing up for your customers.

[@JamesBTurner93]

Strongly agree!

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

Linus acting so childish avoiding Luke's point was so pathetic to watch, right now, I lost all respect I had for him, Luks was the grown man on this one. "sO mUcH mOneY" good then if that's everything he cares now...

[@XionEternum]

Just like piracy; they aren't customers until they buy something (EDIT: or would buy something, but can't for X reason). Just because there was a "cancel culture" vocal minority of entitled normies complaining about a placative placebo of written words, does not mean they are losing sales over it and those sales spoke far louder than them. Don't get me wrong; Luke's stance on this is better. There's no reason not to have a standard warranty and continue the status-quo. However, Linus and the shirt were not mocking customers; they were mocking the rage-babies. The customers still bought the merch.

[@mrstief7168]

Linus needs to be watching out that he's not ending like all the CEO's from big companies.....Because they are all lost their connection with their customers and they only seeing customers are walking money bags.

[@commander_tm]

What timestamp is this?

[@timoluetk]

Linus is getting a little tonedeaf CEO vibes in this one. Thanks Luke for still having your head on straight.

[@TAGMedia7]

Luke is a necessary balance, or counterweight to Linus.

[@oBCHANo]

He's been like that for years, he's full of himself. It's why this channel is literally 50% ads at this point too, he doesn't care.

[@isaackvasager9957]

@@oBCHANo Except they literally aren't literally 50% ads. Excellent use of the English language, my dude.

[@oBCHANo]

@@isaackvasager9957 Except they literally are, I literally went through them a while ago and found about half of their videos were sponsored by the thing they were talking about in the video, which makes it an ad.

[@isaackvasager9957]

@@oBCHANo oh good lord. that makes 99% of youtube an ad then. good lord, grow up.

[@JamesBTurner93]

I hope Linus really considers Luke's comments here regarding the warrantee situation. GN recently released a video discussing how they will have to treat LTT as a corporation now, the good, the bad, the ugly. LTT has floundered a bit in maintaining a solid, genuine, and POLITE embankment into encouraging confidence in their products/warrantee. How polite is the mocking T-shirt Linus? People asked you to hold yourself to your own standards, and you mock them and have your feelings hurt? This is an amazing chance to remember how you got here, and to humbly improve yourself. Consider how to advance, and to make a great Canadian Icon continue to be a force for good in the world.

[@XionEternum]

Speaking frankly, sales speak volumes louder than "cancel culture" opinions. On the flip-side however, there's nothing lost or gained in having or not having the warranty other than the minority of potential buyers that feel all warm and fuzzy with that placative placebo and refuse to buy anything without one. Ultimately, having the warranty is a win-win, but the condescending passive aggressive "be nicer" attitude is leagues worse than the blunt honesty you condemn.

[@lucianosmurf7037]

T-Shirt would have been ok a month or two down the road as a joke looking back after doing the right thing. Doing it while the issue was ongoing really surprised me.

[@bierrollerful]

​@@XionEternum A warranty declaration is the exact opposite of a placebo. It sets the minimum of support you as a customer can expect from the seller/manufacturer. This is incredibly important, to the point that there are countries that mandate warranties for almost all products.

[@XionEternum]

@@bierrollerful - Countries? Yes. But we're talking about the NA market where warranties are at the company's own discretion. In other countries we have various forms of "not fit for purpose" law that allows the return of any product that fits that description. This applies to retailers though and I have little doubt it extends to the suppliers/manufacturers as well. You're missing the point that even without a warranty, Linus has stood up for his customers with a "make it right" policy that has and will continue to go above and beyond any written warranty. It is a placebo. No matter what you or the law thinks. The manufacturer only has to follow the law.

[@bierrollerful]

@@XionEternum You're missing the point just like Linus does. It's not about whether Linus will 'make it right' or whether warranties are mere formalities. It's that there is no reason for LMG as a company not to express a warranty for an expensive product - _especially_ if their regular service goes "above and beyond any written warranty" anyway. At that point, you lose nothing by formalizing a warranty. In fact, it'd be stupid to refuse to do so, because you might lose out on potential buyers who expect such a warranty. But that's exactly what he did. And his attempts at damage control just made it even worse.

[@WhiteHawk77]

Good on you Luke, at least on this topic you have a much better head on your shoulders than Linus and even though it’s awkward saying it in front him, good job on that too.

[@NoKi1119]

Lab Thirty Two is a British iOS apps developer, so the choice for Lab32 is odd. Nonetheless, let's see what other domains you got. :eyes: -Timestamps- [0:00] *Chapters.* [1:08] *Intro.* [1:33] *Topic #1: Lenovo sends Frameworks a cease & desist.* > 2:53 Legion logo compared to Mercedez-Benz. > 4:10 Linus & Luke agree with Lenovo. [6:04] *Topic #2: Apple restricts third-party tracking.* > 7:42 Ads sold on applications, hypocritical Apple. > 10:50 Luke setting up an iPhone to check tracking. [11:10] *LTTStore's RGB hoodie.* > 13:56 Lambo edition LTT bottle. [Cont.] *Topic #2: Apple restricts third-patry tracking.* > 15:13 Reading Apple's "transparent" when setting up. [17:28] *Topic #3: Discussing Metaverse's look.* > 19:16 Horizon Worlds, making avatar via Readyplayer. [25:26] *Merch Messages #1.* > 26:32 Important lessons Linus teaches his kids. > 29:38 Secret-shopper for cell service provider. > 30:54 Do writers have partial ownership of channels? > 33:24 Favorite daily-driver phone. > 37:18 How much damage Denis (& Colton) did to Linus's house. [44:22] *Trust Me Bro Limited Lifetime Warranty.* [Cont.] *Merch Messages #1.* > 47:00 Trust me bro shirt was requested on Twitter. [47:51] *Sponsors.* > 48:05 Squarespace site maker. > 48:53 XSplit live streaming. > 49:42 Secretlab gaming chair. [50:52] *Topic #4: DOOM ran on tractor display.* > 53:12 Is there a more anti-consumer company? > 58:46 How John Deere hurts everyone. > 1:00:16 LTTLabs is not LTTLab, discussing domain. > 1:04:02 Lab32, reason behind the number. [1:06:26] *Merch Messages #2.* > 1:06:34 Camera bag for the backpack, domain Strawpoll. > 1:07:58 What games would Linus & Luke install on the tractor. > 1:09:44 Steam alternatives. > 1:12:30 "All domains I own" segment. > 1:15:28 Frameworks' used hardware market. > 1:16:30 Project Farm screwdriver testing. [1:17:28] *LTTStore Screwdriver pop-up.* > 1:19:38 Linus calls about backpack's availability in the pop-up. > 1:21:54 LTX, Linus recommends against early booking. [1:22:54] *Merch Messages #3.* > 1:23:02 More home server, automation & labs. > 1:24:45 What Linus plans to leave behind for the new owners. > 1:25:37 NCIX's impact on Linus & LTTStore. > 1:29:10 Hiring experienced V.S. learners. [1:33:14] *Topic #5: Tesla accused of false autopilot advertisement.* [1:38:02] *Merch Messages #4.* > 1:38:12 VPS company suggestion ft. Linus's birthday. > 1:39:40 Valve Index features & suggestions. > 1:40:28 What do Linus & Luke eat? > 1:41:58 Coolest case Linus & Luke built in. > 1:44:00 Take on Samsung's Z Fold 4. > 1:44:30 Labs on repairability or jailbreaks. > 1:45:25 Labs on mics, interface, XLR & TRS. > 1:48:12 Linus on long time format. > 1:49:47 Any cool projects for computer vision? > 1:49:56 What business help Linus got. > 1:50:29 Budget server rack. > 1:50:54 Benefits of gaming to buy consoles. > 1:52:18 Floatplane QOL features & motivation. > 1:54:32 Why Colton is always fired. > 1:56:08 Do LTT employees get discount on merch? > 1:58:28 DOS gaming PCs build in the future. > 1:58:42 LTT RGB merch idea. > 1:58:58 Linux-like challenge with Apple. > 1:59:38 Linus on Beat Saber technique. > 2:00:06 Selling KZbin videos for revenues. > 2:02:52 Recommendations for rack-mount gaming > 2:03:22 Linus's Epson projector. [2:04:22] *Outro.*

[@Iamsuperb4]

You've already got the timestamps a minute after the stream ended! 😮

[@djcoimbra]

M V P

[@Shadownrun2]

a realife hero!!

[@Xwartu]

Ooo I get to officially claim to be a reason for a timestamp now. 46:55 I have now peaked. It’s all down hill from here. The time stamp god has spoken…

[@Mylksix]

You're the real MVP

[@Serene-Scream]

To Luke, thank you for bringing some reasonable thought process and actual integrity. Perhaps there could be a ‘reroll’ of who is your cohost. Linus should really take some notes.

[@PPWarrior]

+1 on your comment. Maybe Linus would change his uptight attitude over his customers after that.

[@Szergej33]

The issue with farming equipment is time sensitivity. Agriculture is extremely sime sensitive, you gotta harvest square miles of crops withing days, and do it at the exact right moment. If you are off by a week - or wait 1 more rainfall, for example - the quality and therefore the price of your entire harvest can be off by 10-20%. If your iphone breaks, and you REALLY need an iphone, you can buy another one and the cloud will sync all your data. Same with laptops or other consumere lectronics. When JD says they will send a team of technicians to you, they will be there in a few days/weeks, that's your entire profitability for the growing season in jeopardy. Especially for issues that can be easily solved in 20 minutes, given the necessary access.

[@riecknicholas]

Very well said, never quite considered the entire impact tbh.

[@p5eudo883]

This is such a monumentally important point. John Deere's actions are so wrong for a multitude of reasons. But this is a very important point that many people don't consider. It is critical that farmers, and people in general, be able to repair their own equipment!

[@alanhilder1883]

You lose the machine at field prep time for two days, that is a year wasted, you lose it at harvest, that is, not only the year lost but also all the time/energy/inputs ( seed, fertiliser, water etc, Not just to the farmer but environmentally etc as well ). Now if JD will guarantee all those costs are covered, fine, your "Authorised Repairers" will be OK, when they get there. Not going to happen, can you imagine the Billions of pay out over a million dollar machine failing at the wrong time. Hence the "bodgy it up till we have time" attitude.

[@duncharvst]

Can confirm, hours can matter. Also some farmers are multiple hours drive from the mechanics. During harvesting this can become a logistical nightmare.

[@CanIHasThisName]

This is exactly the point that is so commonly being ignored, much of the time entirely on purpose. JD makes tools and those tools are meant to serve a purpose. When it isn't possible to get those tools working exactly at the time when they need to be working, they are not fit for purpose. JD's policy around repair is unfit for purpose and renders their products unfit for purpose as well.

[@patrickbrown247]

Linus @ 28:30 "Use manners, be respectful, don't be a jackass" Linus @ 47:30 " I made a lot of money by being childish/petty and mocking customers' concern on a t-shirt so it's ok" Luke @ 1:39:15 "Be nice to your customer, word of mouth and sentiment is important" Proving that Luke is the conscience of LTT instead of the namesake

[@lomelyo]

Lmao mocking customer concerns. It's merch that sold out that customers wanted and fans requested. I don't think you know what that mocking means or are actually the most fragile easily offended person I've seen.

[@CamperGuy]

I miss when the WAN show actually discussed technology. It feels like the ratio is like 2/4 news/LTT news. I don’t mind the self promotion, I want to be kept in the loop. But could you guys consider making like a weekly/biweekly „internal newsletter“ in video format which doesn’t have to be linus and luke, so that the WAN show can return to what it used to be?

[@PrestoJacobson]

You're right; it's at least half ads for overpriced merch..(that merch itself is often an advertisement, because of an LTT logo). Time for me to look for coding podcasts! Or listen to music, at least. 😇 Linus himself in the final 1/6th of the video said he would never listen to a whole Ted talk unless it was seriously applicable or necessary.

[@CamperGuy]

@@PrestoJacobson If you know any good coding podcasts that aren't too technical (that you can just kind of have on in the background) please let me know!

[@davyrando1203]

Regarding the backpack warranty: The initial mistake of not having a warranty is totally understandable. "We have a really good product and really good customer service, so nobody should have issues" is an understandable stance. Even if it's a problem, it's not a problem born out of malice for customers. Linus's behaviour AFTER that mistake is totally unacceptable. The initial mistake might not have had malice, but everything said afterwards did. This isn't a dumb "we said something about Piracy that got jimmies rustled so here's a shirt making fun of it" situation. People's actual money is - or was - on the line. This is an actual product, an expensive one at that. While there were definitely professional mal-contents using this as an excuse to attack, sweeping genuine complaints and problems into the same category is possibly the worst way he could have addressed it.

[@emancesooh]

He's so sorry he decided to make money off his comments by selli g a shirt celebrating them, and then decided to rub it in everyone's face. 1 in a hundred doesn't matter? Well, maybe it does if it's about integrity. Maybe a lot of people are turned off but won't complain.

[@JellyLancelot]

20:00 as Gaben said in a recent interview with PC Gamer regarding the metaverse; 'have they never played an MMO before? We've had this stuff for like 20 years, I have no idea what the metaverse is and I don't think they do either.'

[@PrograError]

like i have been saying in my circles, this is just a mark relevance update project with a view to make it cashcow. but he doesn't know how toxic his brand has became... also it's pretty much idiotic... if anything he should have focused on making a AR VR glasses like in the SAO Ordinal scale movie, that would have been a cashcow for him. and even lapse MS with their HoloLens. VR is still out of touch for many, and who really wants a brick stuck to their head?

[@anonymone453]

"But Metaverse will have this thing, and this other thing, and this other thing!" Like VRChat? "No! It'll have all these other things too!" Yeah, like VRChat.

[@FinneasJedidiah]

Lol Linus's "that's a lot of money" in response to him saying "I've lost 25 pounds" went over everyone's head but was funnier than it should've been because of that 01:41:52

[@rijden-nu]

Hey I missed that :) I thought it was a weird like mental glitch or something. Thanks!

[@lucadanyvesstoelman9025]

timestamp?

[@FinneasJedidiah]

@@lucadanyvesstoelman9025 I honestly have no idea, if I can find it I'll post it

[@FinneasJedidiah]

@@lucadanyvesstoelman9025 it's right around 1:41:52

[@alexanderlane]

I also chortled

[@MrThatblueguy]

100% agree with Linus on the manners thing. I've been thinking about this all day. I was at costco today and I overheard one of the free sample employees whisper under her breath "nobody says thank you anymore". I hadn't been paying too much attention, but yeah, it was kind of weird to me seeing someone just walk buy, grab a sample and keep walking and not even acknowledge the sample ladies existence

[@WookieWarriorz]

That's a cultural thing specific to the USA and Canada k think I can't relate at all in the UK and Europe, people say please thank you etc constantly

[@poipoi300]

@@WookieWarriorz I live in Canada and have never seen someone take a sample and not say thank you or small talk to the person.

[@willdabeast6503]

@@poipoi300 Same.

[@GaleOfPeril]

@@WookieWarriorz nope, largely the same in Russia (Middle Urals to be specific, idk about elsewhere). I'll say that I value good manners more than anything else, but bloody loathe small talk, esp from people I barely know or don't know at all.

[@cheater00]

the sample lady is there to engage in predatory hard sells. i'm not surprised people do that. i'll usually say something, but other people might not have the wherewithal to nope out of a conversation they are being forced into against their consent. it's not a manners thing, it's a consent thing. do you respect consent? especially if you're on a tight budget, as most people are when doing groceries nowadays (let's be honest, rarely if at all are any of us rich), getting guilted into buying something you don't want might mean not buying diapers or new books if you're a single mom, so you have to be extra defensive of pitfalls like that. don't think of the "poor sample lady" who's there in any case to do harm mandated by her corp - think of people who are living a fragile existence, paycheck to paycheck, and can't make ends meet. not everyone has the luxury of getting guilted into buying a more expensive kind of ham and not thinking twice about it later on. if you do, count your blessings.

[@CarsonSchmidtMusic]

I’ve watched a lot of WAN shows, never seen Linus be THIS out of touch.

[@hyperactvehuman]

I remember the 3080 Ti review. They were out of touch back then as well.

[@CarsonSchmidtMusic]

@@hyperactvehuman yea that wasn’t a great moment either 🫣

[@serbrighterunagainst9231]

"Don't touch my "warranties are security" tabu, take your implied "integrity supremacist" stance elsewhere!" :)

[@Big_Chungus935]

What's the new drama about guys?

[@trevalyon8610]

Your explanation of how share prices affect company operations and executive bonuses is spot-on, and exactly what sickens me about "modern economics". I'm young enough to hope for better and want to see better, but old enough to remember how "for their customers" companies were before executives started manipulating stock prices for shareholder perception and their own greed... Thanks for taking the time to explain it to others so simply. Our childrens' children deserve better. :)

[@gordowg1wg145]

With John Deere, as luke said, they need those machines to WORK, especially as much of their work is VERY time critical! If they break down farmers and contractors can't wait for dealers to make time to fix their machines, they need to be able to make repairs themselves as required - remember, modern farmers need to be VERY smart people to make a living, they're by no means "country bumpkins". The good thing is that farmers are smart and will factor that "FU" attitude of JD's into their next purchases.

[@Jimmeh_B]

Not to mention the logistics of getting a 200+ ton harvester to a stealership just to be plugged into their gameboy to "enable" an attachment. Or to be told that that harvester uses an "obsolete" gps unit and the newer gps units are not backward compatible and therefore you need to buy a new combine harvester for a couple million. I realise I'm preaching to the choir here. JD are IMO just as evil as OPEC or any of the oil companies and the political cronies that allow them to pull their... ... business practices.

[@Silverhks]

This is the biggest thing most people are missing. Not only can you not repair you time critical equipment on-site. The dealers are all backed up weeks or months. The harvest windows are very finite. You either get it done or it's a big loss.

[@skytrimmer11]

I never cared too much about the backpack warranty debacle in the first place but when I saw that they starting selling a shirt that essentially mocks their customers concerns, that made me reconsider ever buying something from the LTT store.

[@C4M3R0NM]

To the dude calling out timesheets... They are how I keep my employer accountable and make sure my actual health is taken care of. I work for two small non-profits and do a lot of overtime, I track it, and then take those hours off by month end. No timesheet, no accountability for taking that time off, angry employer who thinks I am just being lazy.

[@Finder245]

Do you have a timestamp for this? I have the opposite experience with timesheets, but I would like to know what this was a response to first.

[@LukeLafreniere]

Yeah my problem with it is that I don't get compensated for overtime and can't bank it, yet am still expected to mark in my time sheet that i worked 40hrs/wk when it's often considerably higher.

[@Finder245]

@@LukeLafreniere I had a slightly different issue at a job I had: I had to put my time on projects and it had to be exactly 8 hours every day, but there were no projects for some things that I was expected to do. IMHO, there is no good reason to have timesheets for salaried employees. There may be a need to log hours spent on some projects for billing purposes, but there is no reason to log non-billable hours.

[@C4M3R0NM]

@@Finder245 oh gosh, no chance I find a timestamp anymore, haha. There was a moment where timesheets were mentioned and a chatter just said they were the bane of productivity... Hard agree there is no reason a salaried employee should be filling out a timesheet unless you have negotiated time banking into your job description

[@C4M3R0NM]

@@LukeLafreniere I wasn't calling you out about it, just the chatter being over the top about it! It definitely seems like an aimless task if your timesheet isn't reflective of reality... I'm sure the accountant wants some slip of paper though to justify the payroll...

[@gloomyblackfur399]

My favorite childhood lesson was taught to me by my grandmother, "you can behave however you want at home for your mother, but you don't act like that in public." My sister and I took that deal and my mother got nothing but compliments from others how well we behaved... in public.

[@henrik1743]

same, lmao

[@DotADBX]

most large companies have a policy for distribution of reward based "swag" usually given out based on revenue milestones and/or events the company is holding such as safety records or years in service -- additionally swag is usually purchased in large quantities and handed out throughout the company either at the beginning or end of the year usually limited to 50 to 500$ per person based on the reasoning. smaller cheap items such as lanyards/water bottles/t-shirts/hats are usually given out throughout the year as moral boosters.

[@amunak_]

Yeah, they could just keep their "be reasonable" policy for cheaper items like clothing and mousepads and then have some limits on the rest. Like if you know you're short on screwdrivers/backpacks/whatever and/or they're expensive just limit it to 1 per person and they only get a discount or something. Wouldn't be hard to figure out I think!

[@DotADBX]

@@amunak_ when it comes to an item like backpack or even screwdriver if they manage to sell enough and get a good enough ROI they probably could use part of that ROI profit margin to provide everyone with one at wholesale cost -- that's where it makes sense on a business end to provide something like that to their own employees that if the company does well enough it can afford to splurge on its worker base to some degree, however, that goes both ways that if it doesn't go as well or just breaks even it may take longer before something like that can be given to employees as swag. keeping the business afloat so its employees can continue making their 50+K Salaries (id assume people at LMG probably making closer to 6 figures with enough years there) is more worth while then digging your self a money hole to provide your employees with cool gear at a massive loss if the business does well the employees should do well and vis-versa its a symbiotic relationship.

[@AgentSmith911]

It's important to teach kids manners, as my experience is that it's a fading quality in our society. It's also important to teach kids that even though they need to be friendly and respectful towards others, don't expect that everyone else will be the same towards you.

[@crazysc0tsman]

@linus gouges in wood can be somewhat fixed using pressure steam to force water into the water and cause it to expand. it won't get all the way back as the cells of the wood have been damaged. But it can reduce the depth of that gouge. Hope you see this and it might be helpful.

[@cchaz003]

I think one of the reasons I always come back to WAN show (aside from y'all being awesome - yes even Colton) is that it takes me back to the Diggnation days. Just scratches that itch of a couple good natured tech guys talking about what they love.

[@fieldrat9046]

To be fair when I saw the framework case I thought the button looked a bit like a logo (but I couldn’t recall which). Nice to see Linus supporting Renault though.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

I own 2 Legion laptops, and am currently using one of them, and that wasn't my first thought when I saw it. Also, the power buttons on these are just circles with an led in the middle, not that design they showed.

[@CreativityNull]

Eh, I mean if Lenovo didn't have the laziest logo design it wouldn't be a problem.

[@diophantine1598]

I’m betting that this design has been used in hundreds of other places before without lawsuits.

[@beanburritobike]

@@diophantine1598 sure but this is a case made to hold a laptop motherboard. Literally any other type of product and they wouldn't need to care.

[@emenesu]

Renault? What?

[@lemoncake9385]

"It sold really well, people love it" "it's a smash hit" I think the money side is changing Linus. Shame.

[@davidsen1805]

On the store for water bottles, have you thought about making the color bubbles multi-colored to reflect the full color combo of that water bottle? Might be a bit of extra work but I'm sure there are other products that could also benefit.

[@bellacosy]

In all the years of being an LTT fan this is the first WAN show i have watched all the way through. I love the format of the questions being answered, and I hope you stick with this format as it seems more lucrative for the channel. Not to mention it is fun to watch and listen, keep up the good work.

[@CybershamanX]

Lab 32 can also be abbreviated...well, LTT! 😉 😎 (I'm thinking that's what you guys were thinking anyway. 😉)

[@ghosthunter0950]

good catch, I don't know if they were thinking that since they didn't mention it.

[@CybershamanX]

@@ghosthunter0950 Yeah, I was wondering that, too...

[@miguelguthridge]

Remember kids, it's ok for Apple to track user data and sell it to advertisers whilst not making the extent to which they do so clear to users, because they respect your privacy, unlike all those other companies that track user data and sell it to advertisers whilst not making the extent to which they do so clear to users. (Big sarcasm if it wasn't clear already)

[@Ash_Cafe]

It is kinda true tho. At least Google is open about being evil. /s

[@playerguy7]

I think the story goes a little further actually. As far as I know, Apple does not sell user data to advertisers. They basically tell them "Give us X money and we will use our great data stuff to serve the most relevant ads". That means that your data should at least not leave Apple (yay) which claims to have good pseudonymisation algorithms. The fact that Apple is focusing more and more on advertising though, leads to believe that they may change this at will any time. Ans since their Apps are the only usable ones on their devices (Apps Store) you have no choice but to see their ads. This would be remedied a lot in my book if their stupid "personalised Apple ads" were opt-in instead of an opt-out setting under privacy-Apple Ads. I actually think if they treated themselves to the same standard as 3rd-party apps in that case, I'd be much more compelled to swallow their bullshit. I know where to find these settings, 98% of users don't.

[@miguelguthridge]

@@playerguy7 that's essentially what Google and Facebook do too.

[@koustuvkanungo9873]

@@playerguy7 Most companies don't sell user data directly, including Google.

[@playerguy7]

@@miguelguthridge With the difference being, that Apple does tracking of you using Apple Services only, is it not? or are there Apple Trackers in almost every Website you visit?

[@patemathic]

1:48:20 I've watched every WAN show in its entirety as a VOD for at least a year, if not more. I love the chemistry between Linus and Luke (and other staff) and the interaction with the audience. (I'm European so I'll rarely catch it live.) I also watch many of your other livestreams back. The forced genuineness of a live show is very pleasant to watch, despite it not having any of the 'boring parts' and mistakes cut out.

[@OfficialSamuelC]

Cambridge, UK guy here. I feel the same. I enjoy waking up on a Saturday seeing a new WAN to enjoy as I go about my day either over the weekend or the next week either in one go or parts.

[@Yash1331]

From India, Same I would watch entire live streams including WAN show just for the pure genuineness & get to learn behind the operations and principle of LTT in raw form which is something you can't find in a pre-scripted\edited video. Both Linus & Luke's thoughts and reasoning behind their opinions etc. as the guy at 26:32 said, it has helped in shaping me or my approach to stuff. I wish other KZbinrs who are recording the entire session for their podcast clips anyways would upload whole uncut podcast as VOD.

[@nothinglessthannumbers]

My yellow Lumia 920 will forever be my favorite phone to have used in it's time ❤️

[@hananas2]

Seeing Linus say the note 9 is probably his favourite phone of all time is fun when you're still daily driving one lol Just replaced the battery and back glass of mine so I can use it for a bit longer until it actually starts feeling genuinely old and not fun to use.

[@mre9593]

Give Colton a raise! I was originally going to try to do the 3D projector thing too (I wasn't big on the idea of the glasses running out of battery in the middle of a movie, and the movie ones are reusable, in case they were damaged or lost) but it was expensive! even for 1080p 60hz/ I always wished the price would of dropped for the technology, but instead it disappeared. hopefully Avatar 2 will inspire (better) movies, and viewers.

[@seanieb64]

Been watching since you were on NCIX, sub 20k subs. Own a few shirts and participate in floatplane and contributed a few million points into F@H during the pandemic. I was strongly considering buying a backpack and talking about it with friends. I think standing by your products is a good thing but mocking your customers for wanting to know what they are buying and turning a profit on it is tone deaf AF and I won't be buying any more stuff until it's acknowledged publicly. Please do better

[@SolKnightt]

Same. I don't want to buy any LTT products if I'm going to be mocked for asking about a warranty or anything else relating to the item.

[@emancesooh]

Same exact thing. I canceled my Floatplane. I'm unsubscribing on youtube. And I won't be watching LTT videos anymore because Linus has lost his integrity to the point where he is making shirts celebrating his lack of it. It's disappointing how unaware of this he is. Way to damage your own brand on the cusp of LTT Labs. I won't trust those videos now. I do IT purchasing at a company with 900 employees. Those buying decisions will no longer be informed by LTT videos. Not servers, not laptops, not perepherals, cables, cloud anything. NOTHING. I won't be using LTT referral links anymore either. The T-shirt thing is disgusting. Lots of respect for Luke. I feel for everyone working at LTT who is having to deal with Linus's stupidity. I am utterly grossed out, feels like being betrayed. Like if Louis Rossmann started advocating for John Deere. BYE

[@elijahevo6859]

Same, Linus was a bit off his rocker and really spit in the fans and customers faces then bragged about it

[@emancesooh]

@@elijahevo6859 Feels like everyone should report this video for self harm. That's what he's doing 🤦‍♂️

[@isaackvasager9957]

@@emancesooh lol....guarantee you are still subbed and still watching.

[@Sasageyo-oj5ph]

Love that project farm got mentioned! I watch those videos all the time and they’ve really steered my decision making on some tools I’ve purchased

[@smegskull]

I'd argue that "logo" is way to simple and functional to be trade markable I have loads of old stensils that use that exact shape for suspending circles.

[@martinpalmer6203]

thats called "Prior Art" was thinking the same thing, that design has been round for decades, so much so its basically generic

[@NickVanRegenmorter]

I feel like I should comment on this, John Deere makes excellent equipment, I personally say it takes abuse way better than other brands of tractors (livestock farming is more abusive than field work). That being said their software is not only harder to use, is also very restrictive and locks mechanic from basic OBD-2 levels of diagnostics. That is the main reason (second reason being price) that our newest tractor is an 05 and most of our tractors are 70's to 90's because everything is mechanical and everything can be fixed without diagnostic tools. As for the GPS and software, there is aftermarket companies out there that are usually cheeper and have software that run very similar to Android (whereas JD used its own one off software) and personally I prefer the aftermarket GPS solutions. The only issue with the aftermarket solutions is that the communications with the implements is not always the greatest and usually takes a whole array of aftermarket sensors instead of the factory sensors. Making the aftermarket harder to justify due to the added cost.

[@sirjonsmithiii992]

Jokes on you: Zuck's avatar is spot on. The rest of the game is photo real. That is just how he looks; and other things look when he gets near them.

[@megaludek]

Glad to hear you guys sharing the Jason Hickel view on where pursuing the ever growing profits will bring us in the John Deere part!

[@cal5365]

People trademarking simple isometric shapes and designs seems insane

[@Johnny_Shields]

Lenovo's O design can be seen literally anywhere. That symbol is friggin ancient.

[@williamwinner4234]

Can you put a link to one? I googled Lenovo logo and the only thing coming up is the name. I don't see anything where that power button is trademarked

[@NamasteProgramming]

@@williamwinner4234 That's Lenovo Legion Logo

[@alanhilder1883]

Like the time Apple sued an European train station for the old clock there looking like the Apple clock design.

[@ilerien]

I think all my fans have that logo...on the back

[@BeHappyTo]

@@NamasteProgramming its not even lenovo legion logo. The logo looks different. It's about stylized “O” Lenovo uses in the wordmark for its “Legion”

[@infi84]

I think the main issue with the logo is that a trademark was granted for such a simple geometric shape in the first place

[@JGWalrus]

trademarks are not patents. They only apply within certain product categories unless you have lots of money.

[@Drebin2293]

That design seems to be the most efficient way to make a circular reliable 3d printable structure like that. Sounds to me like the trademark is getting in the way of practicality and should be revoked or not enforced on functional parts like this.

[@rougenaxela]

Yeah, I agree. Really, (this is not legal advice but) I don't think Lenovo asserting trademark here would have a chance of standing up in court if for some reason it went that far and someone with such a 3d printed design was determined to fight it.... But *also* because of how trademark law works I get why Lenovo felt they had to do something... and of course this is a simple enough thing to change that it doesn't make sense for Framework to fight it anyway. It's kinda bullshit, but it's also the natural consequence of the way the law is set up and the incentives for all parties involved.

[@Jimmeh_B]

@@rougenaxela I agree too. I don't see why Framework should spend a single second on redesigning it. As you guys are saying, it's a functional part and it's form is literally because of it's function. I can't think off the top of my head, of a way to redesign that button to look different to their logo and still have the same cycle life and reliability. Their logo has nothing to do with the design. I also agree that it wouldn't stand in court. Although... judges these days... How many manufacturers are they intending to go after because the spring steel components in the buttons that are installed in literally everything now days, have a resemblance to their "logo"? To me, it beggars belief that they would even attempt a cease and desist order.

[@tommykarrick9130]

It shouldn’t be enforced at all, it is such a ridiculously generic image that every child has probably drawn by pure chance alone It’s two circles connected by a couple lines, it’s not exactly unique or distinctive

[@nanopi]

would it work as well with 4 holes instead of 3?

[@cinnabarsonar2072]

I believe that was what was ultimately decided with lego bricks, that you can't copyright a functional part like that Bricks only though, the lego figures are still fair game

[@Illithid]

Nokia 3210 & 3310 are indestructible. Dropped my 3210 from a sitting position, slipped out from my pocket to the floor and exploded into many pieces. Had to put back the antenna module, battery, keypad and the 2 covers but it still kept on trucking.

[@DailyCorvid]

Blackview BV9500 is the new 3210 literally I defy you to destroy one of these.

[@ziyaoyang321]

56:59 I would also argue that the "infinite growth" mindset also comes from the incentive system of the people on top (the CEOs). You probably heard about how absurd the CEO to average worker pay ratio has gotten over the recent years. It is worth noting that the increase mostly come from STOCK INCENTIVES, not salary raise. So it makes sense that the execs are figuring out any way (evil ways like John Deere included) to make the company stock price goes up. Edit: there you go, Linus called it 2min later haha

[@roji556]

I find it extremely ironic how critical Linus is of Capitalism on a consistent basis when it's the entire reason he gets a cushy life. The infinite growth mindset also isn't even a capitalist thing, it's a human thing. We, as humans, tend to believe that if we, either individually or as a society, aren't infinitely growing in all aspects then we are failing. There's a reason we see this mindset throughout all of human history and it's both an asset and a curse.

[@assassinhidblade5147]

I mostly just go "I want that shirt" whenever Linus does a new line of shirt or hoodie, but the RGB hoodie is the one that im like, YES I NEED THAT. Seriously looks like a great hoodie!

[@phillee2814]

I have two (major) answers to John Deere - Massey Ferguson and Ford. Great job on doing their marketing for them "Our products can be repaired by YOU when YOU need them repaired, unlike other well-known brands". My uncle had a number of farms, and never bought anything he couldn't repair himself, with the workshop he had built on the home farm (along with the rest of the farm including the substantial house). He's retired now, but would still hold to the same methodology, and taught it to my cousins and as you can tell, it rubbed off on me, too. The only things I exempt from this are those I can replace instantly if necessary, and from a choice of suppliers.

[@AbbStar1989]

I would love to see a Project Farm video testing the LTT screwdriver. I have no doubt it will perform very well.

[@tysonfromm5397]

Yes!!!

[@westanthony]

He's awesome at testing practical stuff.

[@Max_McGamer]

Lab32 has some really good spinoff potential: Cab32- taxi service Ab32- gym Tab32- browser Crab32- seafood restaurant Slab32- construction company Stab32- knife company Fab32- beauty salon Scab32- band-aid brand Rehab32- does what it says on the tin Vocab32- dictionary Kebab32- kebab shop All good names imo

[@MaxMichel89]

Fab32 should be their own silikone chips

[@klaxoncow]

Yeah, I don't blame Lenovo or Framework for this. It's more that trademark law should be more "flexible" about these things. That companies are, indeed, compelled to defend their designs - like it or not - or risk losing the trademark. That's the bit that's dumb. That a company has to take legal action, and can't just, you know, come to a settlement themselves, amongst themselves, and for this not to have an impact on their trademarks. That they could actually choose to allow something like this, for example, and for that not actually be a threat to their trademark. That they could contact Framework, come to an arrangement (maybe to just allow it, maybe to ask Framework to change it voluntarily, etc. - they can settle the matter however the two companies want to settle it) and that this is no threat to their trademarks, and no-one is compelled to take legal action, unless, you know, it can't be settled and the courts have to be deployed to settle it for them. It's kind of weird, if you think about it, because that's actually how most other things work - that private disputes can be settled out of court, if both parties can come to an amicable arrangement, without legal compulsion - but, for these laws, no, you're compelled to instantly make it legal, or it doesn't count, to retain your trademarks. Like, even by the law's own standards, this is a bit of a strange exception there.

[@TennSeven]

It's not dumb, though. The whole point to a trademark is that a trademark indicates the sources of goods and services to consumers and prevents consumer confusion. If you do not protect your trademark by asking other companies to respect it then consumers will become confused, negating the purpose of that trademark in the first place. The law is there solely to protect the consumer, which is not "dumb" at all. Trademark law is "flexible about these things" in that it rightly only applies when a company is proactively reducing the chance for a consumer to be misled. If you're just going to let any company use your logo, name, slogan, or whatever, then what need do you have for trademark protection in the first place?

[@DavidLeeKersey]

Frankly I blame the trademark office for allow that overly simple design to be trademarked in the first place.

[@Kyle_116]

@@TennSeven There's also part of it being that if they're willing to negotiate a bit and let other people use it, then they don't really need the exclusivity rights that the trademark offers in the eyes of the system.

[@ccricers]

This bothers me, because Framework's approach to using that design came from a purely mechanical and functional need, and should not be trademarkable unless it was incorporated into the rest of the word LEGION. Is Lenovo also going to assume the same 3-spoke design on many 40mm case fans are also infringing on the trademark?

[@edwarddeguzman3258]

@@TennSeven Agreed and I think Lenovo knows it's just a design oversight so they're not getting super butthurt about it

[@revlouch]

For apple “personalize your experience” can also pertain to music genius suggestions, Siri suggestions, app suggestions within the App Store, and other native non standard functionality for discovery.

[@paulkauphart9444]

I mean, there's only so many ways to design a circle, it feels king of unreasonable to have basic geometric figures trademarked.

[@saccaed]

Lenovo 'designed' a button trademark. Legally it can be done. But as far as reasonableness, it's like Apple claiming patent on rectangle shaped phones. At least the first logo that vaguely looked like the Mercades logo had some design elements. Trademarks are fine, but its reasonable to demand that some uniqueness that isn't just natural to the shape of worldly objects be included in design.

[@odeode4338]

You’re mistaken. Lenovo has a trademark on the logo and framework designed a power button that resembles that logo. If you think this distinction is irrelevant, you should never dive into law content on KZbin, this world is weird

[@tiromandal6399]

Or the fruit apple lol

[@saccaed]

@@odeode4338 Note that I said legally it can be done.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@odeode4338 I believe you are mistaken. Take a look at other cases. Function and appearance are two entirely different things. Courts have rules sometimes, function dictates the design. Such as in Guns for example. Many companies copy other companies designs and nobody gets sued.. Kalashnikov and the Mastodon shotgun.. Benelli super eagle and the mp133, and just about any shotgun ever made.. due to how the function of a shotgun works, many of them end up looking so similar... Human anatomy has a lot to do with this too. In order for us to use the tool it must be designed to work with a human body, No company can "patent or copyright" the ability to make an object that humans can use.

[@StargateurBis]

@@odeode4338 I would bet a lot any europeen trial would NOT be on lenovo side

[@DylRicho]

Both of them remind me of Ubuntu's logo. Legion has only been a thing since 2017, while Ubuntu has been around for decades. 🤷‍♂

[@LA-MJ]

This

[@eomoran]

57:30 “If you’re not growing you’re dying”, this is due to how highly leveraged companies operate. Most of you will be familiar with a Term Loan A, where you pay down some of the principle and interest over time. Most large companies like John Deer have what’s known as a Term Loan B, where you only pay interest and never pay down the actual principle of the loan until the length of the loan is almost up. Shareholders prefer the TLB as it increases the amount of dividends they can get. In order to be able to pay off the loan then they need to take out another loan to be able to pay off the principle (known as a refinance). In order to qualify for a refinance you’re earnings (EBITDA) need to be as high or higher than what it was when you first got the loan. This is why there’s the “if you’re not growing you’re dying” mentality. If you’re not growing you will not qualify for a refi and you will go bankrupt.

[@alexanderverdoodt]

Thank you. That was informative and clear.

[@ryanhuff456]

Isn’t Term Loan B usually a subordinated lien position or unsecured? It’s like one step away from high yield or mezz debt. I wouldn’t say most publicly traded companies have TLB. It’s cheaper to get private placement notes, is it not? The expectation of perpetual growth is more a function of being publicly traded. The stock price will go down if quarterly profit is flat. The typical senior secured bank facilities are 5 year deals with a revolver and TLA and as you pointed out it’s all about cash flow. But refinancing senior debt is not dependent upon growth unless they’re seeking to increase their funded debt. Capital and debt structure is a complex topic, singling out TLB just seems weird.

[@TheGamersRace]

I feel like this was over simplified, yet it makes a point that TLB focused companies probably need to just die.

[@sdmitch16]

If the company makes more money than it spends in interest, next TLB loan be less than the previous one since they can, in part, use the profits to pay off some of the principle?

[@ryanhuff456]

​@@sdmitch16 Potentially. TLA is amortized so in total the facilities would be less and the Company would want to refinance debt to the lower rate facility. Assuming the tenors are the same and they don't have a revolving balance that needs to be termed out. You also see ECFs (excess cash flow provision) used to require additional principal payments.

[@fotmheki]

My Lenovo IdeaPad 5, with just 2 years of life, got the ABS with threaded insert for the monitor's hinges broken. Never had or heard of that kind of failure in about 15 years of laptop usage and 11 years of IT work. First and last personal laptop from Lenovo in my experience

[@juntapiezas]

Lab Two Two is more on the line of naming at LTT and ideal for expansion to the Lab Two Two 2.

[@WhyDidYoutubeDoThis]

Huge respect for Luke from this interaction. That was really sad and awkward. Sometimes we have to tell our friends and kind of shake them back to reality and sometimes it’s just not feasible. Before Linus was big he said not to just trust companies because they are not your friend, now that he’s big, he just wants you to trust him. Remember that.

[@LiamMcBride]

From an investment perspective supporting right to repair may actually be a good thing for the stock price especially as ESG becomes more and more important in how people invest their money

[@JohnBartlett777]

I tried setting up a Lack Rack - it's only good for really light weight stuff, the current legs just aren't that strong, without using rails. Even metal anchors could barely hold up a light rack device and I ditched it when even light pressure on the back side showed enough give that hinted at a sure failure at some near point in the future.

[@zengrath]

It's so funny, I literally just yesterday was talking to a family member about how this new movement on right to repair and all and how companies like John Deer on are hurting consumers with forcing consumers to require going to only John Deer or whatever to repair their stuff. My family member didn't get it, he was like the place down street repairs all brand lawn mowers etc... he didn't get it. I'm like they are likely licensed to repair john deer's, but you can't really repair them yourself or they make it super hard to repair yourself, then you talk about them today which is hilarious as i didn't even hear about john deer related problems in a very long time, it was just coincidence i was using them as an example. Maybe he'll believe me now.

[@ThorsShadow]

Most non-tech people don't get that. The dude down the street can repair it, but it often costs a lot of money. But they probably don't care.

[@ondank]

No right to repair is awful for consumers. It's awful for the environment and it's awful for small business. But it's not awful for society necessarily when you talk about things like a phone. But when it comes to a tractor. Woah boy. Forcing people who are used to a tractor being down for hours to having to wait for a tech and possibly having them down for days and weeks can seriously screw up the food supply chain. That's bad for society, the environment and profitability on an already hard to survive in sector. Basically they would have to own reserve tractors ... Surprise surprise.

[@ToddHansen]

You can purchase they same software to diagnose and maintain your tractor now through John Deere. They are doing what they can to make the accommodations necessary.

[@backtoklondike]

You can also explain that many years ago, the lawnmower company tried to prevent the guy down the street from repairing it. But thanks to massive lobbying, the guy was allowed to continue his business and same with the car shop mechanic. And what if the the companies win. There is no reason for the lawnmower and car companies to lobby for the third party repair shops to not be allowed to continue anymore or be prevented from getting material to repair them. Meaning you either have to travel tons of kilometers to repair your car/lawnmower or you have to buy a new one. I think that would make them truly understand

[@zengrath]

@@ondank I'm not sure if i got it backwards or you guys do replying. I'm not supporting companies putting anti-repair policies in place to make it difficult for consumers to repair products they bought on their own, the exact opposite. I thought the whole right to repair movement was done to start forcing companies to accommodate customers who wish to try and repair things on their own rather then being forced to only be repaired by manufacturer. But you guys are making it sound like i'm on the side of the companies like John Deer, i'm not. It's absolutely absurd that John Deer and other companies are making it so freaking difficult for farmers to repair their own equipment, and being forced to only take it to John Deer to get things fixed. I'm on Linus's side on this one. So sorry not sure why some of you seem against me on this or misunderstanding what I am saying. I can't imagine anyone being on companies side on this situation, unless they work for those companies and been brained washed by company they work for into thinking it's ok to treat customers like this. Farmers for generations have always had right to repair their own stuff as they can to keep the business going, they barely can make it these days with all the bullshit regulations and taxes and fee's imposed by government and companies like JOhn Deer want to make it even harder by wasting farmers time and likely charging them far more to do something they could on their own. it's not ok. And like Linus said, they are likely only doing it to make shareholders happy by increasing their income, this isn't something that they are doing to benefit customers.

[@t0m5k1]

A thought on "De-linusing" LTT: LMG = LTT Media Group LTT = LMG Tech Tips

[@internationalbatnight]

There's still Linus's L in there. It's like MSI with their MPG stuff or whatever that ends up saying MSI twice. It's silly.

[@minutenreis]

​@@internationalbatnight no its not Linus L there, its an infinite recursion LMG LTT Media Group LMG Tech Tips Media Group and so on (infinite repetition of Tech Tips Media Group) the fun part is that L is never defined as anything

[@thunderingeagle]

@@minutenreis Context free grammar

[@AndytRandom]

TMB Media

[@armanke13]

nice

[@CreativityNull]

1:50:35 I have a LACK Rack, just be careful because the newer tables (like mine) start to pack card board towards the bottom of the legs instead of full particle board. You'll probably get about 4U worth of space before you get there. After that you might need to look at another solution, getting another table, (you can stack them without too much effort, just keep the heavy stuff on the bottom) or finding a better way to mount rather than just screws into the legs.

[@charles3840]

Lenovo tiff is definitely a symptom of logo oversimplification. We've gotten a bit too abstract, in my opinion. I think there's room for re-complicating some designs, especially in the computer space (where most logos have become almost purely geometric shapes.)

[@alaricpaley6865]

In all honesty, Lenovo would get laughed out of court by any competent judge. You can't claim functional geometry under copywrite or patent, and that is literally the most efficient way to mechanically suspend a disk in an opening.

[@Idiotman44]

Can't wait for GamersCommandCentre to start their testing

[@OrangeC7]

We got jebaited so hard there

[@mrgallbladder]

Why is a circle that's split into three equal sections even trademarkable?? It's a very generic shape!

[@someonespotatohmm9513]

@@ytfeelslikenorthkorea you can get away with 2 beams. But that is also a logo used by some IT company (I think, but not laptop atleast).

[@tylerbonts]

Timesheets make sense from a utilization standpoint and to understand value of projects vs time spent on them so long as you recognize the employees that can accomplish significantly more in a given amount of time and adjust pay accordingly.

[@timsoft3]

I like the show-up of jd. It's not often than the small but essential market segment (farmers) gets positive support. user ability to maintain long lasting equipment is welcome for not only farmers, but the tractor repair shops that have to spend a fortune on annual software to maintain these large vehicles.

[@polton00]

shout out to the S4, ran mine for 8 yrs and its still my backup phone, only phone i couldnt kill . Man i miss being able to have spare batteries

[@cambargera]

I miss my s4

[@TexasTimelapse]

I still have my S3 (rooted) and S5. They don't get much love anymore. I fired my S3 up last year when I found a Nougat ROM. Flashed just fine. A couple of weeks ago I read on XDA Developers that there is an Android 12 ROM for that phone. For some reason there has been recent interest in the S3 again. I may have to get that phone back out soon.

[@emenesu]

You had spare batteries? Is that a thing?

[@arnox4554]

S5 was the absolute peak. It was all downhill and sucking up to Apple from there. At least we got the Sony Xperia line.

[@polton00]

@@emenesu was a thing, very few good phones have them now, but most of them did before 2012-13ish, was really great being able to stretch 2-4days sometimes without a charge

[@coreymartin9630]

I definitely had the same experience as Luke with the Galaxy S3, it sent pieces of itself everywhere when I dropped it and I even had a wallet case-ish except that it was just the back of the phone with a flap to cover the screen Edit: I also agree with Linus on favorite daily driver, I wish that I could just get that same phone again with a 120hz screen

[@Leoappeared]

The Galaxy S2 imo opinion was the better phone. Better design, higher quality finish, upgradeable battery.

[@SleepyRulu]

Same here with mines when I drop mines on the street on my way to class.

[@martinpalmer6203]

the right to repair logo would make a GREAT vent hole on the Framework casing ...its already round and looks like ittd be 3d printable

[@geekofband007]

Galaxy S3 was a game changer of a phone. Great product

[@Kripthmaul]

Colton doing a good job! Dan was also great last week.

[@joelincz8314]

Shareholders can easily replace the CEO, this is where the issue is. Many CEO's have gone against the shareholders and they got voted out and replaced. So for a CEO to go against the shareholders is one of winning the battle initially then loosing the war. You better own lab64 as well since it's the obvious 2.0 and somebody will spoof it :)

[@RannonSi]

Yeah, and I think that's one of the problems we have in politics as well. How many politicians can you name who'd be willing to do something important, that's so unpopular that it'd get them outvoted/ruin their careers, and not only theirs, personally, but their party's as well.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I think you should consider putting e.g. UUIDv4 serial numbers on those backpacks and honor the warranty if the serial number can be found from your database old sold backpacks. Naturally, if you replace the backpack on warranty, you remove the serial number from your list. That would avoid having to ask for the receipt and any owner of the backpack could ask for warranty as long as the serial number is readable (or e.g. the owner has taken a photo of it).

[@Hopefighter]

Wouldn't the power button design be excempt from Trademark because it is a functional design?

[@Jst4vdeos]

Depends, if the functional design is unavoidable aka someone trademarked the only way to achieve a function then yes. Otherwise, if it can be achieved in another fashion it may be enforceable

[@theotherguy6155]

it's interesting how you can justify slamming tesla for the FSD nomenclature but absolve people of self responsibility i guess that's like telling people they should offer good warranties and then turn around and not offer a warranty on your product

[@zbynektrajer2735]

This is silly! How can a ring cut into three pieces be considered a distinct logo? Since when a simple geometric shapes became trademark-able? I am looking forward for someone registering a triangle and suing every company with three-pointed shapes on their products :/

[@hinkrakagaming5532]

On the camera insert. Would be awesome if it could work both as in insert and fastened on the outside (side or back) for when you want both laptop and camera in one go.

[@alphaod]

I just ordered that RGB hoodie and the expensive CPU pillow, looking forward to those. Can I suggest a 400 mL mug based off your water bottles? Single or double-wall both would be great. I use the LTT water bottle but I like drinking water out of a mug and currently using a metal mug for durability.

[@rynndash]

Love comming home to THE WAN SHOW 🥳

[@podulox]

!!! ^^THAT is what I was thinking...

[@AbbStar1989]

Same here. Just got home from work and this starts my weekend.

[@Thoringer]

Actually, I disagree with the Lenovo case. First off, functional pieces cannot be as easily copyrighted. I'm very certain fan openings with the same design predate the existence of Lenovo by decades in this way. As long as it is not used as a LOGO, I don't think it holds up in court.

[@MrSlowestD16]

35:00 Yeah phones were indestructible back then - my first smart phone was a Galaxy S1 (AKA. Fascinate). Yup, the explosion thing happened on every single large impact but it always booted back up once you collected the battery, back plate, etc. One time it survived falling out of my pocket going 60mph/100kph on my motorcycle. Took like an hour to find all the pieces, but once found, booted up *shrugs*. Corners were scratched up, but screen was fine.

[@kevindawe911]

Timesheets, Mm. I was forced to do this as I was told I was not working hard enough at one particular employer. After submitting timesheets for 2 months where I was averaging around 100 hours per month, I asked if was I going to be paid for the extra time (that they insisted I work) - they quickly stopped the timesheets. Just for context, I worked in IT as a Group IT Manager. Management sometimes just doesn't see the bigger picture and certainly doesn't understand IT. This is why I started my own company.

[@jeffbob7219]

I think autopilot is a good name, as autopilot in airplanes it’s to use when your at a safe altitude and pilots are still required to be aware and they do the taking off and landing and take over if it gets bumpy

[@junrenong8576]

Autopilot by defination is an assistance not a reliance. It just in public eyes autopilot = autonomous which is not the case.

[@jeffbob7219]

@@junrenong8576 yep, it really is the perfect name, it’s the peoples fault that after so many warnings they don’t get it’s not fully autonomous

[@xorinzor]

1:02:36 I love how you can just see whenever Linus is pulling a stunt xD EDIT: I absolutely love "lab32" as a name for the lab

[@karintippett753]

My camera backpack has space for my laptop as well. More camera gear though, GoPro's DSLR's, Accessories, cables etc. Rather than converting a laptop/gaming backpack for cameras, there are plenty of good options for those of us needing camera space rather than laptop space.

[@XenithflareGaming]

I have to point out that FaceID worked perfectly fine with a mask for me. The way the phone learns your face over time, and considering I was wearing a mask for 8 hours a day at work, after the first day I never had any problems.

[@michaelrussell6661]

In Australia there is a certain class of property investors that buy housing property and and 'Park it' in that they refuse to RENT the property. There is currently over a million housing properties that are PARKED. Australia is currently in the throes of a massive lack of rental properties and excessively high rental prices for renter's. The investors that PARK their properties are doing this are far worse than what JOHN DEERE does. People are forced to live in their car's or the gutter due to these investor's.

[@Angmar3]

Housing as an investment in general is causing huge issues in Australia :/

[@psal8715]

@@Angmar3 Pretty sure that's also happening all over North America too.

[@animoshho]

Does the screwdriver pass the "every tool is a hammer" test?

[@eric.l2605]

I love the domain name and stories behind them video idea!

[@kuyache2]

Just make it the Framework logo, support the flower logo by putting braces lower/behind. If those cases haven't reached market then there is no problem!

[@SnakeJ419]

A camera bag insert for the backpack would be amazing. Camera equipment is weird shapes so the only way I feel safe carrying my camera equipment in my backpack is to put my camera bag into my backpack, which just feels awkward to use when I’m trying to use my camera while carrying my backpack

[@captianmorgan7627]

When something designed purely for functionality looks like a trademarked design, that design should never have been given a trademark in the first place.

[@dexmoses6887]

Wonder which note 9 he meant I've had a Galaxy Note 9 512GB since it came out and I haven't found anything worth upgrading to as I'd lose useful features, plus with a Redpepper Lifeproof Case its practically indestructible, I've thrown it, had it come out of my pocket and hit a mini boulder, almost been washed down an overflowing river and its still in almost perfect mint condition

[@StereoBucket]

34:43 I remember back in school some kids would just throw their phones around. It was on grass but still, who'd do that today? Personally felt weird to me even back then that someone would just do that, though back then if you somehow smashed your phone it'd usually just be a plastic shell replacement.