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[@Lenovo]

Thank you for calling this out, Louis! Your feedback is greatly appreciated, and we hear you. The FAQ page in question has since been taken down and will be reviewed to ensure it correctly reflects Lenovo's views on refurbished products. We know that smarter, more sustainable technology solutions are as big of a priority for our customers as they are for us, and we want to be clear that we encourage buyers to explore refurbished options from authorized resellers. For this reason, many Lenovo computers are designed to be easily serviceable and repairable, and Lenovo has set goals to improve the serviceability and repairability of our PCs even more. We hope that you continue to be part of the Lenovo community.

[@Nyancat77263]

thank you lenovo very cool

[@seattlesoto]

Wow, the bank I work for might have to reconsider another laptop manufacturer for our entire remote workforce. I like Lenovo laptops, I like how sturdy and decently made they are compared to other,s but one must also consider what Louis here says about the company itself overall.

[@goldy24t]

A modern tech company admitting their mistakes? Wow! Please bring back IBM build quality though.

[@macdaniel6029]

That is very rare these days. Kudos to you.

[@scottfarley6867]

I just finished redoing a Lenovo T-5 tower . It had numerous latent defects that were installed by Lenovo. The cpu cooler needed to be replaced as the cpu was slowly cooking itself with the old one. Lenovo put in place a few bombs to stop you from upgrading. They installed a shield over the back of the motherboard to prevent you from doing this upgrade. They used a plate on the underneath of the cpu that when you upgrade and remove the screws to the cooler they fall to the bottom of the installed plate nictating the total removal of the motherboard. The wires on the wi-fi card are so tight they break when removing the wi-fi card taking out the wi-fi and blue tooth on the motherboard. This is just a few of the latent defects you will encounter when replacing the cooler. Luckily I am a computer tech with 40 years experience so I managed to replace the cooler. The temp of the cpu went from 90-100C to 24C. I Actually had fun fixing all the latent defects they installed but it was a large job requiring many hours to fix. MORAL DONT BUY A LENOVO COMPUTER

[@francoisleveille409]

PCs can now last more than 10 years. PC makers now have to find imaginative ways to force you to buy new hardware.

[@lamikal2515]

Fortunately for us, hardware manufacturers only make a fraction of a penny on the consumer side of the business. The real cashcow is on the B2B side.

[@DarkMatterBurrito]

I had a PC last for 10 years and all I upgraded was the GPU from a GeForce 580 to a 970 and then to an RTX 2070. Intel 2600K was a magnificent CPU and lasted that long.

[@Soapy-chan]

PCs could last for more than 10 years since they were first built lol. My dad had an old PC of mine that was 10 years at the point I gave it to him and I just replaced the hdd with an ssd. It lasted for another 5 years. Now he has another old PC of mine that's now like 10 years old. My current PC is now 6.5 years in use and my second PC I just got from a buddy is at least as old.

[@jorge69696]

Still using the 13 year old 2500k. The only things that have broken with this system were the mouse (clicks stop responding or get stuck), graphics card, sata cables, hard drive which was replaced with an ssd, case fans and monitor (which I repaired).

[@StaceyAyodele]

THIS! Bought a refurb DELL Latitude E7450 from my local PC Shop and put Debian 12 on it. Runs like a brand new system. Only time I buy brand new is if I want a gaming PC to replace a dead PC (R.I.P Lenovo ThinkCentre M82 Refurb). Replaced with an HP Pavillion with AMD Ryzen 5 5600G and I added the RX 6400 GPU that was in my old ThinkCentre. I ONLY BUY NEW to replace super old desktops. Laptops, refurbs are cheaper.

[@metalj]

Lenovo: ''Don't buy our products second-hand, they're so bad they barely make it out of warranty first-hand.'' I think Lenovo should consider organizing a meeting between the engineers and marketing people to discuss why this statement might not be good for their brand.

[@kellysouter4381]

😄😄😄

[@doom4067]

They don't mind people buying their products used as long as they keep giving Lenovo a cut.

[@derpsakry4464]

They got a point tho. The stuff theyve released recently is not great from what ive heard.

[@CenturionKenshin]

They have huge gap, engineering is pretty good, as I know bunch of people from there (mostly engineers) (Lord, I start to sound like fanboy, I'm not) but their management sucks

[@BenMitro]

They are talking to hoodwinked people who swallow such shit.

[@goldy24t]

Lenovo was given the golden goose when they bought the ThinkPad. They butchered it and fked it's corpse.

[@joeking433]

Nasty. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[@patrickbodine1300]

I bought a used thinkpad because it was cheap. It still works. The drive was reformatted and has win10. I use it for 3d printing files.

[@sirena7116]

I snorted.

[@Dee-Ell]

That's simplistic thinking. If it was such an obvious golden goose, IBM wouldn't have sold it.

[@Vlad-1986]

To be fair they had a few years run where they made good laptops. I think they are still a valid option: Is not like they are good, it is just that competition also has lowered their standards a lot, so while year to year Lenovo laptops are worse, the competition is worse too. But to be honest, after using Thinkpads since 2005, I am not getting a new one after my E15 dies. Which considering its quality might not be too far off in time. If I need to get shit, at least I can do it without paying a premium.

[@juliocampbell360]

Says the company that now makes disposable computers, Soldered cpu/ram and storage should be illegal

[@Compu-Doctor]

If they don't solder them how can they sell you more computers down the line? The unfortunate thing is that the companies I used to vouch for, for not doing that stuff are starting to do it today, I would not be surprised if the batteries are not soldered as well. Even Software is going to the pay per month model rather than selling you their traditional Perpetual Licensing just so they can squeeze every dime, nickle and penny out of your pocket. And once you are broke and they have devoured the last drop of blood out of you, they move to the next victim.

[@minsekfau3218]

I don't think there are socketed mobile CPUs anymore in the market

[@Ryan100]

I find it funny that one of their arguments is "The computer could be infected with malware or spyware." As if they don't load up Windows with bloatware.

[@remixedcat]

lenoivo has it on the UEFI BIOS as well... so not even removable

[@Tomas-yg1xz]

That's why the first thing to do with a new laptop is doing a clean install of Windows. just to get rid of bloatware and trial offers.

[@GSBarlev]

THAT'S HOW THEY KNOW!! 😝

[@DarkDyllon]

@@Tomas-yg1xz did that for my little brothers brand new PC, it's pre-build since it's actually cheaper to buy pre-build than build it yourself here. When I purchased my PCs from them they used to give me an option to simply not have a windows installation provided (I can do this myself) but now I could only choose the windows options (just choose the free windows 10 home option) I received the PC at my place, installed the gpu, hooked it up and instantly wiped the entire thing and did a clean install, then also installed the things he wanted on it, like Steam, Roblox, Epic Game Store and the like. After having an HP laptop that is so bloated that the laptop itself struggles to even open task manager, I decided to never let a company pre-install windows again. (also, that my m.2 was somehow locked from getting a new installation from Windows, so the store that repaired it back then installed Win10 legacy with no way to upgrade, had to google my issues and found a workaround to finally wipe my entire m.2 into a installable state again, had to boot from USB installer, try to install (fails) unplug the usb, try again (it says it can't find the installation obviously) plug the usb back in and then it magically works, still no idea why, but it's 1 thing that i'll never forget)

[@YeeLeeHaw]

@@Tomas-yg1xz The only Windows you should ever install are real windows for the house. Linux cost a total of $0 dollars to download and install, the computer will run better and you'll have complete control with far more options.

[@Knowbody42]

Unlike buying a new PC, which has officially sanctioned malware preinstalled. Those people who format the drive and install a new OS fresh are worse off.

[@Thefungangiscool]

Why?

[@eddiewillers1]

@@Thefungangiscool Methinks he was being sarcastic, my dude.

[@nonsensicalrants1703]

I'm pretty sure I'm suffering from pre-installed malware and bloatwear. Ive tried everything else to make my newish pc to work as well as it should. Can you explain this to me?

[@Soapy-chan]

@@nonsensicalrants1703 not sure if you're genuine but if so: - Backup your files on an external hard drive. - download "Media creation tool" either for Win10 or Win11 depending on your device. - put in an USB stick 8Gb or more and run the MCT. - when the program says it's done, restart the PC, go to Boot Settings either via DEL, F2 or F10. - select the USB, reboot, then Windows Installation should appear. Then do the stuff it says until it asks you if you want to use automatic install or manual - select manual, it should show you where to install and your harddrive or ssd. Select everything that is there and click delete until there is only one left and it says "new" underneath. Then click on continue (no need to click on new) and it installs windows. - after a while it starts from windows and voila you have a clean install. Now you need to install gpu drivers if you have a pc and if it's a laptop you shouldnt have to do anything. When in doubt you can google for your device and see if you need some drivers, some laptops need extra drivers so that the mousepad works and stuff like that. - install the updates and copy back the files you need from the external hard drive and you're all set

[@user-cofee]

When uefi spyware gets reinstalled on a different OS you are in breach of licensing agreement 😅

[@LuciusKyrus]

Amazon is dishonest. They label referbs as "Renewed" so when you select "New" is also contains "Renewed".

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

their search function has been absolutely useless for years.

[@Tony-rw1yj]

Now I buy on Temu.

[@ranger178]

yeah, amazon just shows you whoever pays them the most not what you ask for.

[@Tony-rw1yj]

Order from Amazon, and they won't ship your package until a few days later.

[@adibemaxwell6111]

Amazon shills Chinesium. I only buy from there when absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's eBay for me.

[@RavenCap0807]

Fun fact..... I bought a new laptop last year, and th first thing I did was re-install a fresh Windows 10. That was, when I want to get a bigger SSD, which I did, it made the process so much better. Thank you Louis for bringing this to light!!!

[@luigivincenz3843]

I plan to buy 6 laptops with Win 10 before MS stops W10 support next year. 95% of pc repair guys around me in my city, can reset Win 11 laptops/pc's back to Win 10, and they told me this is normal. W11 IS SPYWARE.

[@jdmorgan82]

Oh no… their profits… who will think of the shareholders?!

[@gg-gn3re]

That is why I have only bought used for 20ish years. I think of their profits constantly, they're way too high. I need to lower them. Get old $20,000 servers for $500 a few years later, great deals on hard drives and everything else.

[@JamesTDG]

Oh, I'll think of the shareholders... In their graves. *Duke Nukem theme plays*

[@remyllebeau77]

How will the CEO and board members get a new yacht and bonuses? Oh the humanity!

If they cared about that they would stop ruining their keyboards by lowering the key travel. And give an opinion to use the old ibm thinkpad keys and 7 row layouts on modern thinkpads.

[@4Wilko]

Won't someone *please* think of the shareholders!?

[@gernhartreinholzen3992]

Lenovos new slogan: "Buy new, because f the environment and f you."

[@phils4634]

Not just Lenovo. They are all on this bandwagon (ESPECIALLY HP who used to be good, but are now the poster-child for scummy corporate behaviour).

[@Hotecce1]

i could not have said it better myself.

[@beavcleav3086]

"it rhymes that's how you know it's true"

[@robertsmith2956]

We serial locked the CPU's so your screwed if you need to replace anything.

[@versatileduplicity9313]

This is why I like apple

[@andrewphi4958]

Thanks! I've just cancelled Lenovo laptop order on favor of other manufacturer.

[@SalemTechsperts]

I waited 7 minutes for Superfish to be brought up and it was well worth the wait watching Louis lose his shit

[@pandapip1]

The greatest comment that's ever been posted

[@barrettloganj13]

​@pandapip1 From the GREATEST TECHNICIAN, THAT HAS EVER LIVED

[@Joe-ko2kc]

Omg the greatest technician that has ever touched the surface of the earth!!!!!!

[@PeachwiseSyndrome]

thank you HAHAHAH

[@ele_112]

Hahaha love the comment

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Sony is the OG of putting malware on customers’ computers with their rootkit Audio CDs. Never forget…

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Never indeed. Frigging funny how Sony's CD-players could not play their own "CDs". :D

[@rossmanngroup]

I haven't put a CD in my computer since. Even when I buy music, I usually grab a FLAC version from somewhere else online. It sits in the shrinkwrap on my shelf.

[@macethorns1168]

@@rossmanngroup That's a bit much. Nixing autoplay bypasses anything like that (plus I rip my own FLAC files).

[@Kalvinjj]

@@macethorns1168 Same here, let the discs spin!

[@rossmanngroup]

Not at all, not at all. Putting CDs in my computer is a waste of time when someone else has already done the work for me. Especially when they have EAC logs and everything

[@leonxpc1]

Can we talk about how BOSE issued an update that bricked the previous generation of Bose quiet comfort and instead of doing a recall or a full replacement since they accept fault in the chat of customer service, they force you to haggle until you can get a 50 % unless you have a social media presence big enough, which then they give you the thing for free.

[@patzbit9562]

HP once sent out a printer firmware that bricked all their printers. it's OK because you should never buy a HP printer due the issues they put you through with rejecting clone ink, and their core "subscription" ink fiascos.

[@voiceofreason9258]

@Louis Rossmann - I upgraded a couple Toshiba laptops that I was given because they ran too slow. I researched them and found that they could take 2nd gen i7 processors (although not officially documented). When I tried to get the processors, a used motherboard seller tried to tell me that the boards would burn up if I installed them (THEY LIED PROFUSELY). The processors were the same TDP as the old ones, and the same socket design. I bought them anyway and installed them, and the laptops are now perfectly usable - in fact better than usable. They run great, and have been for months. I think there is something going on in the industry to force everyone to buy new computers. Look at Microsoft's move to keep people from using Windows 11 on older machines.

[@redbaron9029]

Due to lack of innovation, they can't produce anything new nowadays. You can't just sell electronics like agricultural products.

[@dplj4428]

I like my ipad for drawing. I chose over Samsung because of the software apps. But, I’ve too frequently overheard replacement purchases prioritized over discovering solutions. Which path is cheaper for the diehard Apple fan?

[@boink666]

I fixed my roomate's laptop, cleaned my Playstation and will be repairing a controller soon, all cause pro-repair people like you have inspired me to take the risk and service my own products. It felt GOOD when I was done, pressed the power button, and it worked better then before! Thanks Louis.

[@sidvicious332]

Good for you my dude! I remember when I made my first repairs over 3 decades ago. Fixed compact disc players, beepers and our computers that back then cost $3,000! Back then we actually had to read books. Welcome to the future children. I'm sure you'll flourish.

[@rhythmandblues9302]

I’ve enjoyed that thrill, also.

[@WackyRaven]

They are afraid of people that can fix their products because they can't profit from that

[@linuxuser4895]

As you can see by my KZbin name, I service my own stuff. My NEWEST computer is from 2013 and almost can't run Windows 11 unless the registry is set up for it. Just for fun, I have an old Pentium 3 computer that still runs a modern 32bit Debian Linux distro. Lenovo isn't getting any of my money.

[@Wary_Of_Extremes]

It's a nice feeling to be handy and fix stuff.

[@Todbrecher]

I love how Lenovo is neglecting the main reason their Thinkpads are sold as refurbished hardware...

[@FacialVomitTurtleFights]

xD Got em

[@MR-nl8xr]

I'm late to the party, so i don't know what's going on. Picked up a Lenovo T14? last year, because my "tough book" got stolen out my car, w/ a broken rear window for a side dish, right before my birthday. Main reason I got it was because it has the "nipple?" & it could let me upgrade the RAM? to 32gb (which I ended up doing) because the damn thing would end up crawling just after connecting to the internet. I disabled the mouse pad, because I don't understand who in their right mind puts the "mouse" buttons on top of the pad, instead of vice versa. Can confirm I've givin this thing a beating, and it works enough that I still havent chucked into the sh+ can. Thing deff warms up, but all in all, it's all right. one of these days I'll work up the courage to install Linux Mint or Ubuntu on it....one of these days.

[@ravenbarsrepairs5594]

@@MR-nl8xrLinux users often go for Thinkpads, as they're reliable, and offer hardware more likely to be supported by LInux. Which is why the Lenovo position is pointless, as Linux users will be wiping the SSD/HDD and installing a OS on it that any viruses, in the unlikely event they survive the wipe, will have no foothold in a totally different operating system.

[@torinnbalasar6774]

​@@MR-nl8xrif you're still on Windows 10, it's a perfect excuse not to upgrade to 11 by 10's EOL October next year. Makes a pretty convenient deadline to migrate to Linux, that's what I did with my old HP pavilion when Windows 7 reached EOL in 2020.

[@corey7219]

​@torinnbalasar6774 Windows 10 iot ltsc is supported until 2032 (21h2). It's on all of my old laptops

[@kuksybee]

I subscribed just because of the vibe in this video. Your passion in imparting your knowledge is second to none 🎉

[@Jaredius]

Your already good videos are getting better. This one quadrupled the awesomesauce.

[@youtestubes]

This was in Lenovo's FAQ. This article was totally unnecessary for Lenovo to write, as it does NOTHING to educate us about their products. Just a PR BS rant that wasted $1000 of staff salary.

[@killerpascal]

leNOvo

[@l0gic23]

I bet a few more people are educated... Now...

[@ri3m4nn]

​@killerpascal there's literally no better option

[@tropicvibe]

@@killerpascal Lol how about leNOmore

[@steveblanchard7293]

My employer uses Lenovo. I have daily connection errors, may be its the wifi failing, maybe its not. But when the Wifi dies, I have to reboot. When I reboot I always notice the auto connect wifi is turned off. It isn't me doing that. I wonder if Lenovo are switching off WiFi randomly on old laptops to get people (employers) to buy new.

[@Navie.]

As opposed to all the Malware you get preinstalled when you buy one of their PCs

[@ClearGalaxies]

Lol so true

[@albusplaustrum06]

But that is authorized and genuine. Don't forget to use Edge and activate Orifice 365 for full penetrative value.

[@ri3m4nn]

That makes no sense

[@serkandevel7828]

Lenovo Silverfish probably

[@robmasters3569]

really important video this one and I'm extremely grateful to you for helping to give confidence to those of us who purchase second hand or refurbished products. I too had one of those Thinkpad laptops, two in fact from two differnts companies I really liked everything apart from the battery

[@bc-guy852]

Another Great episode Louis. Can you tell me what you use for blood pressure control? I gotta' get me some of that! Much love and respect from BC, Canada.

[@John-jc3ty]

lenovo warning: if you buy an used product it might come without our crapware

[@Kumquat_Lord]

I'm a hobby photographer. I don't own ANY new lenses- all of the used ones work just as well. The manufacturers are so unhappy about it that they will make you pay an extra 200 dollars if you want to get a lens serviced.

[@czaczaczar]

But those lenses have viruses! /s

[@nyeleskettes]

@@czaczaczar actually it has fungus. lens are attacked by a special fungus that likes humid glass surface. if not services the lens glass will be etched permanently by the juices this fungus develops.

[@Th3_Gael]

Way to conflate things. You don't have the skills or equipment to do it yourself. That's what you're paying for, go get the skills and equipment, see how much money you save in doing so After that, offer to do it for people, see how much you then actually value your time and skills, pretty sure you won't be doing it free

[@JustLennyBenny]

@@nyeleskettes Never knew that >.> but knowing that fungus is a very resillient piece of nature that will eventually get everywhere I suppose.

[@WolfeByteLabs]

​@@nyelesketteswho genetically engineered that fungus 🤔

[@KingFearless]

Louis is the man! 🤜🏾🤛🏻 Nice work putting them on blast, love your videos bro.

[@joeg7755]

Love it, subscribed!

[@perwestermark8920]

Ah - as in reformat isn't a thing... Or are they saying they have designed their laptops so it's easy to inject a virus in their BIOS - that their secure boot doesn't properly sign any firmwares?

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Get an old enough one (when they were pure perfection) and coreboot it.

[@jamesclarkson156]

It is possible for a BIOS to be a virus like MoonBounce. Just as it's possible for drivers to be as well. Not sure how common they are but there is a reason that if you get hacked you at least have to buy new ssd's.

[@perwestermark8920]

@@jamesclarkson156 Yes. But UEFI which is what all new computers uses means there should be cryptographic protection of the boot chain. Drivers doesn't survive a reformat. So then we are down to an existing attack - replaced disk firmware.

[@falsemcnuggethope]

There's some validity to it if the audience is normy users. Your grandma might not know to reinstall the OS or even make a new user account. I usually reflash the bios. I even reflash the firmware on any smartphone I buy, would you do that?

[@TheWebstaff]

Just want to comment to say I'd ignore / written off eufi attacks until the last few days putting together a machine from broken Lenovo thinkbook 15 G2 AREs. I have a 4500u one that's got the weirdest behaviour in the bios where the CPU is burning up and the bios is so slow. I assumed it was a hardware fault but I cannot find any fault and it runs perfectly after you boot. It's bizarre never in my 22 years doing IT have I seen anything like it. If I get some time next week I'm going to sandbox it on the network and start poking it to see what it's doing. And yeah, reading up on this it does appear no part of the eufi stacks safe it's all be actively compromised in the last 12 months.

[@pandanutiypanda]

I feel like there is a direct correlation between Louis's frustration level and the speed at which he rocks his chair.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

Apple products are gay.🤣🤣🤣

[@OurFreeSociety]

LOL, yup

[@templet45]

I agree with this video 100% and have certainly bought used PCs myself. I will recommend buyers to still be vigilant because nowadays certain malware types can be persistent after a full wipe (such as UEFI resident viruses), or the PC may come equipped with something like Computrace which is a BIOS enabled feature and not OS. Computrace allows for tracking and such so it can be a problem. Basically if you buy a used PC, wipe and reload of course and check for any Computrace settings in BIOS if it applies to your model (especially older Dells)

[@DudeSoWin]

If they cannot secure a refurbished machine then they cannot secure a brand new machine. They have zero standards for what qualifies as a proper purchase.

[@sunshadow7XK]

They do have standards for a proper purchase. You hand over the money and don't ask for it back when it breaks.

[@rano12321]

This is why companies like Framework needs to succeed. This is why I've been using desktops my whole life, my old pc I used for 11 years before getting a completely new PC. If any part breaks, I can easily replace it.

[@zUltraXO]

Framework's currently in a safe spot cuz they're really the only ones making such products so they can pretty much expand in their own bubble Every other manufacturer is competing tooth and nail with each other, dropping the price further to keep themselves competitive and that, I think, is the main reason as to why this stuff is happening. They bloat with stupid ass mcafee (the amount of PCs I've seen this cancer on is staggering) to make a bit of money back on the loss of profit selling the hardware. They lock down parts and solder them to the motherboard, and now this bs Lenovo propaganda. It's a sort of a vicious cycle cuz consumers want good hardware, they buy it, but then they don't upgrade for like a decade, the manufacturer only made money in that purchase, they get desperate and call for sketchy ways to squeeze out more money (cuz they wouldn't be able to afford to make such hardware in the future) and so they make the devices more fragile and unrepairable to make the customer buy another device.

[@FrankPhartzzz]

Problem is framework is almost twice the price of anything with comparable specs. It's a good first step and I'm happy to support a company trying not to lockdown customers, but they need to become price competitive to really go mainstream imo.

[@faradaysage15]

When I can buy an off-the-shelf decent gaming laptop for $900 to $1,200, I'm not spending $2300 to $3000 on a startup that might go out of business tomorrow. Great ideas often never succeed

[@KizukiKotataki]

@@FrankPhartzzz That's because market does not allow them yet. Market demand is very little hence they have to increase price (which is an utter bummer for me too). If they manufacture on the same amount as big companies, it will certainly be cheaper (with caveats).

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@faradaysage15 and that's the issue. Since the vast majority of potential customers thinks like that (which is a valid concern) they don't have the customer base to broaden their lineup.

[@Arcona]

8:27 is beautiful, and apt.

[@Mostly_Roblox]

I usually buy refurbished because it's cheaper, but I will NEVER buy anything refurbished from Amazon. I've done it twice (A Samsung flip phone and an Alienware laptop) and both were defective

[@mysterienvril]

LOL.... you are so correct about today's "Identity" problem!!! I totally agree with you! haha

[@rossmanngroup]

I wish people felt more open to admitting fault with companies, items, politicians they purchased products from or voted for

[@bunny_incup132]

Freakin zombies of the planet =_= that is a cancer.

[@SonneyLouis]

My car and house cost 3000$ lol it was almost about to end up in the landfill 😂😂😂 talk about it 😅😅😅 Don’t tell them I’m having 14 times more fun (if money is a measure of happiness 😂)

[@chrichtonsworld1]

​@@rossmanngroupJust yesterday I chatted with a colleague of mine on teams. I stated that I thought the number of playstation exclusives was real low compared to their older consoles. Somehow by stating this fact he felt insulted and said I was negative. He was almost having a fit. I myself own a PS5 and all the other consoles they produced. But I also own Microsoft consoles and PC's. In general I appreciate them. But that doesn't mean I am not criticical. I am very much so. But somehow that is regarded as being negative. I don't quite understand why people feel the need to defend these corporations as if they are their loved ones. I also asked him if was current on Sony's plans to increase prizes. He said he didn't. Well, I schooled him. His tone changed. But I am sure he will shrub it off and comply. Quite sad really. He also went ballistic about his Apple laptop. Nuff said!

[@MyName-tb9oz]

People are all insane, @@chrichtonsworld1. That's pretty much all there is to it. Insane and insecure.

[@SnowyFoxFox]

When you take off the gloves, you are a top-class ranter. It's immensely entertaining to watch. Not just because you're clearly so passionate about what you're talking about, but also because you're so right.

[@kuritheking]

He’s like the Eminem of right to repair 😂

[@TimHayward]

It doesn't hurt that he is right and they are very wrong.

[@TheYehat]

Everyone should be that radicalized toward the increasingly bullying corporations! They make all the efforts to put us in that scramjet seat.

[@dazzlernator]

So glad you called this out, Louis. My first thought of that claim of the high ground on Lenovo's part was the SuperFish scandal. As you said, companies trying to have you buy a new product over a used one have a vested interest in you buying the former, presumably because they have a greater profit margin and or the salespeople earn a higher commission.

[@AvoxionYT]

I actually had no idea about that article on Lenovo installing spyware and adware. I'm glad I did a clean install of the os on my laptop as I have done in the past as well

[@Catchcheese]

Bought a used T480 from a reseller on eBay, installed my own SSD, installed arch myself, and had no problems other than a USB c port wearing out and needing to be replaced. Which you guys actually replaced for me. Much cheaper than buying a new laptop even after the repair, and a better feature set for me than their new laptops.

[@leo2395]

how much did you pay for the T480?

[@Wrublos212]

T480 is fantastic.

[@AdvancedSoul]

I use arch BTW

[@bartoszrybinski29]

Fck arch all my homies use temple os

[@SpaceshipOperations]

@@AdvancedSoul ( •_•) Btw, ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) I use Arch.

[@samuelwong6995]

IBM back than made the whole repair manual of their Thinkpads available. They also made the parts available to you if you're going to service it on your own. When I was a poor college kid that needs a durable laptop that can probably last through my college life, I was referred to Thinkpads as I can service them on my own. When Lenovo took over IBM's PC manufacturing, they carried over that practice. It is sad and condescending when even Lenovo trying to swing you from servicing their products on your own. This really is that last straw.

[@snoopdogie187]

I loved that about the thinkpad line. Every screw shown, every part number listed. So many details for repairing and upgrading. Now they are going to more soldered components, which they have slowly been doing for a long time anyway.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

companies like IBM and old time HP truly offered products. And not just the piece of electronic, but the support and replacement parts and manuals and upgrades and everything that was part of the products.

[@samuelwong6995]

@@HappyBeezerStudios HP still do on some of its products but no all. They wanted to turn printer into a service is extremely evil...

[@kristene2372]

Thanks again Louise for all you do🙏 What laptop brand/brands do you recommend. Thanks in advance ☺️

[@shookon3]

I just found this channel and I love it 😍

[@robster7787]

I just now searched “refurbished lenovo problems” and I was immediately presented a reddit thread about how a refurbished lenovo didn’t get wiped properly and has a company registered to it. Mind you, the user specified they bought it directly from Lenovo.

[@lukewt456]

Clearly can't be the reason why Lenovo made the post, right? This is sarcasm for the record.

[@progenitor_amborella]

Incredible. It’s on r/thinkpad which I hope doesn’t have company mods. Regardless, it’s now in the Wayback Machine.

[@WilliamPorygon]

I bought refurbished iPads from sellers on eBay twice back when it was possible to do that. Both lasted years and never had any issues. Both sellers' accounts are deleted now because they're not allowed. Meanwhile the one time I have had a problem with a device was about a decade ago with a new Toshiba laptop that had a defect that caused the screen to crack on its own within a couple months. Found out it was a widespread problem and not just me. B*****ds claimed all of us must have been dropping and abusing our laptops and refused to honor their warranty. I'm glad they're no longer in the laptop business and honestly to this day I'm still hoping they go under completely.

[@dumbuz]

Fuck TOSHIBA

[@phillipsofthedriver]

Matsushita also sold CNC machines to Russia back in the day that would allow them to make quieter submarine propellers. They were heavily sanctioned for that. And "datsun" here changed to Nissan. Lexus is only a brand here AFIK in the US, it's Toyota everywhere else.

[@night-x6793]

Toshiba is a sad company lately because I remember that I bought a Acer laptop in 2019 which had a Toshiba HDD and that HDD was the slowest HDD where my HP laptop HDD from 2013 ran 10 times faster even if it was 6 years old by that time. So a cloning dock and a new SSD with some RAM memory cards later I got that Acer laptop working 10 times then my old HP.

[@fireninja8250]

I have a Toshiba drive HDD that's lasted 3 ish years, 300 mbps. I think that's pretty good for 60$, even if the laptops suck.​@@night-x6793

[@joeyjumper94]

you should have tried for a class action lawsuit.

[@grantdavis5992]

I have a Lenova Thinkpad with the reversible screen and dedicated stylus which I bought refurbished years ago. I got it for about $150 and it served me well. Some indication it had had a previous life in the military, in the "sandbox," and in fact a few years later I opened it up and there was sand under the keyboard. I later got a Panasonic ToughBook Cf31 which is even more of a tank, also refurbished. With 16 gb of memory, a Tb SSD and new keyboard it only cost me $800 with an 80/20 partition of Ubuntu/Win10 installed. If I had unlimited funds I would be willing to pay list for Panasonic because I respect them. My 2 Toyotas have a combined 538k miles and I would buy a used Toyota before buying anything else new.

[@regal953]

Buying a 2000 Solara coupe leather interior with the 3.0L V6 and 5 speed manual transmission for 2000 bucks. I got plenty thinkpads already...

[@carltondoorman9145]

I've been buying used computers at thrift stores for 20+ years, and I've gotten some really nice machines for $10 to $30. I also get them from yard sales and flea markets, and I'm typing this on a great little Dell laptop that I got at an estate sale for $10. I always replace the original OS with my preferred Linux, sometimes increase the RAM (with RAM I got from other used machines), and I'm happy.

[@acoustic61]

For average users, computers have been fast enough for more than ten years. Software developers have become lazy or maybe overbloated software is deliberate. Most of it could be coded much more efficiently.

[@remixedcat]

definitely!!

[@SharienGaming]

hello asshole - no devs are not and have not become lazy there is just so much work to do and ever more feature demand that you dont spend your time and effort in places you do not have to... could i optimize every bit of code to run as fast as it possibly can? yeah sure... does that actually do anything for the vast majority of users? not really... does it make the code borderline indecipherable? yes you optimize when performance is too slow but hey insulting people is fun and easy right?

[@TheDrunkenMug]

At 5:00 and 7:05 poor old Louis genuinely lost his mind, and I felt exactly the same at that moment 😂 Keep on calling these garbage companies out on their BS Louis, well done!

[@phils4634]

Quality entertainment right there. Also, Refurbished means someone with knowledge had a look at the machine, rather than it being assembled by relatively unskilled production line staff. Personal experience is that refurbished means better quality and greater durability (for less money too!)

[@MadMan123654]

Louis losing his mind (justifiably) is 50% of the reason I have all notifications turned on. I love his rage, it's always satisfying (and accurate)

[@hisuiantyplosion]

loved this vid and your reactions ...

[@malcolmroxburgh7746]

Great rant!

[@buckrodgers1162]

As a general rule: If you buy a used PC; Before you do anything on it, you reformat the hard drive(s). But yes, that identity thing is quite the rampant problem.

[@moetocafe]

Another good idea is to reflash the BIOS, even if it comes with the latest ver available. As some very nasty viruses can infect the BIOS. Better be on the safe side.

[@wisico640]

If I remember corectly the Lenovo issue is in bios or the image at loadup pre-bios. So SSD change doesn't fix it.

[@AnyMEmdq]

That's actually the second thing you do. First you go through it with whatever system it came with (doesn't matter if it's riddled with viruses, you are not connecting it to your local environment) for homemade porn left behind

[@MasterTaters]

@@AnyMEmdq Hot, You are a genius and the voice of a generation

[@buckrodgers1162]

@@AnyMEmdq, That "step" is only for the 'extremely desperate'. I take it since you suggested it, you are one.

[@mightylink65]

I work at a Lenovo dealership myself, and yup, I do agree Lenovo themselves have some pretty bad practices, but I do everything I can in my small corner of the world to make it right. 3:15 I noticed this statement, Lenovo's warranty is attached to the serial number, not the customer, anyone can bring their new or used Lenovo laptop to a dealership and claim that. 5:15 This one really caused some issues for me in the past, some of their bloatware have no uninstallers and come back when you add user, I eventually gave up and started installing machines with a fresh Windows USB straight from Microsoft's website. I make sure every machine coming out of my shop is clean. Lenovo's hardware is great, but their software sucks, always do a fresh install.

[@Shytzedaka]

yup yup

[@kashifmalhan4384]

Have you tried 'Bulk crap uninstaller' to remove the bloatware.

[@blueslsd]

Love the new mic!!!! I have a thinkpad 10 years old running Ubuntu perfectly!!!!!

[@acheleg]

I love that around 9:00- lenovo poses an "and/or" question, which it answers as "yes"

[@joeMW284]

i7 3770k here. Still kickin' after 12 years. I still rarely do anything that maxes it out.

[@unsaltedskies]

i7-4712HQ here and I max it out daily and still see no need for an upgrade.

[@Krisztian5HUN]

My sister's computer is equipped with a Phenom II 955, 8GB DDR3, Geforce GTS 450, 120GB SSD, running Windows 10. This 10+ year-old 4 core processor still performs perfectly fine for basic internet browsing, Facebook, and KZbin tasks to this day. Moreover, it can smoothly run even simpler modern indie games. For example: the new Tomb Raider 1-3 remastered runs smoot 60fps

[@GSBarlev]

Sandy Bridge / Ivy Bridge / Haswell were *ridiculously* good chips. My 4790K scores similarly in single-core benches to my OC'd 5900X¹. The *only reason* I upgraded was because I needed more than 32GB of RAM.² ¹tbf, this is partially a "skill issue" on my part ²I have 128GB and honestly would upgrade again if 128GB weren't still the upper limit short of going Threadripper / Xeon.

[@itsunoshiyuga]

i7-3840qm in a lenovo T430 laptop (11 years old now) have almost the same performance in a laptop(no gpu of course. but i'm afraid that os creators soon will force us to get new hardware with more tracking for old stiff being (unsafe)

[@zakhir91]

@@GSBarlev Hold on a minute. Does this 5900x happen to be the Ryzen 7 5900x? And if so, you're bulshitting to the highest heaven with that statement.

[@Ed_Stuckey]

1998 Honda CR-V bought used for $3000. Coming up on 200,000 miles. 2014 Dell Latitude I found while dumpster diving. Upgraded to a light-up keyboard with a 'track-point'. TCL 40 XE 5G phone I purchased new one year ago for ~$150 for use a $30 mo/unlimited everything 5G network. *I'm happy!*

[@eddier155]

+1 on the Latitude. Can't kill those Hondas! Let me tell you about my '98 Merc E320 that I bought for $800 and been daily'n for 8 years.

[@rasmusmerzin]

Sane man! Thank you!

[@SirRigbyBaconKaiser]

"Or Arch if you're insane". Damn. Can't believe I've been called out like that.

[@johnl4933]

The sad thing is, most people have very little knowledge of computers, and they are the ones inclined to read and believe the Lenovo-type articles. I even had this kind of discussion with my family. Viruses, spyware etc. were all mentioned as reasons not to buy used from a third party, "Always buy from the manufacturer. You can trust them!" You can imagine the gasps of disbelief when I said it is easy to clean-install any OS or even replace the drive. Thank you for all your work on this Louis.

[@ManOfUberFace]

It is important to note that those people who have very little knowledge about computers are unlikely to load a fresh copy of Windows or even create a new user account when they buy a used computer.

[@johnl4933]

@@ManOfUberFace In this day and age, a simple little search on the thing called the Internet can help someone find all the information they need. A little research before purchasing something can really help. There is no excuse.

[@angelinatran4930]

Hi Louis, I've been watching your videos since middle school, if not earlier, and I'm now in college. I may not understand all the board repair and tech, but you've instilled the philosophy of being conscious about companies fucking with consumers along with the value of repair. The concept bled into other parts of my life, like understanding clothing construction and maintenance, interest in understanding daily appliances, and valuing vintage + refurbished goods. Very proud to be raised with this mindset. Thank you for all your work with Right to Repair and informing the public

[@necktwister666]

in Germany you have Gewährleistung and Garantie for that. Gewährleistung is Warranty by law via the Commercial Seller for at least 2 Years. 6 Months in Beweislastumkehr (reversal of the burden of proof) starts and you have to proof that you did not break it. Garantie is also guarantee / warranty but via the Vendor of the Device. Even if you sell something as a "normal Person" and not as a Business the buyer has "Gewährleistung" per Default, except in this case you can deny it in the description of the item.

[@jrossofskb]

I collect and use old Thinnkpads; I stopped at the W520 because I don't like chicklet keyboards. I bought all of them on eBay and most of them didn't have hard drives. I maxed out the memory and installed SSDs and they're all working perfectly running Win7, Win10 and Linux. The only issue I have is that the batteries don't hold a charge but I plan to remedy that by replacing the cells.

[@regal953]

So do I collect them from T60p up to T520 and W520 with I7 quads, though I decided to buy A maxed out T460s {no broken USB charge ports and still dual batts with NVME drive for portability....run windows 10 LTSB/C and Mx linux great...

[@jrossofskb]

@@regal953Good for you!

[@BiteMe3331]

Louis experiencing a mental breakdown for almost 10 minutes straight. That's the spirit! Love the video btw

[@penguinjay]

It's cool to watch him try to conserve our old way of life, instead of letting the slow creep of these tech companies' terrible consumer practices continue to encroach on our lives to the point that we have no say in anything at all, and no way to see truth in their world full of lies. It seems to be making him a little bit crazy lol. We're all a little mad here though!

[@IndyAvocadoKid]

Heh, gotta blow off some steam pressure or the boiler might explode😂jk

[@dcocz3908]

Can be applied to the c00f, same scam just your body not a PC

[@me1ne]

When your company has grown unsustainably large and now you have to either build throwaway products or lie to your customers. Or rent our your products for a monthly fee. Looking at you, Adobe.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

lieing is better option out of the two because at least the product quality is unaffected.

[@RichSmithson]

"You will own nothing and be happy" But the WEF told us you guys didn't want to own your products anymore!

[@ccricers]

Rent seeking how companies do planned obsolescence with digital products. Not sure if anyone's made that comparison before, but that's how they make products "break" when there is nothing physical to break.

[@BatkoNashBandera774]

The only part I have ever had to replace over the three PC's I have owned in the last 28 years was the fan and/or the heatsink thermal glue/paste. I don't engage in heavy multi thread processes/apps for my work and therefore the highest strain on those rigs were gaming.

[@PrideSage99]

It's like all these companies are actively trying to discourage me from giving them business. This is why custom builds for laptops need to be a thing like desktops.

[@BloodyMobile]

That only helps you for as long as the parts individually aren't just as shit and over priced. Like nVidia's ever since RTX and I guess Intel too now? Been a while since I bothered reading up on their latest non-sense.

[@PrideSage99]

@@BloodyMobile While I agree with your statement, I still find it ridiculous they haven't made anything standard for build-your-own kits when you had other standards like socket, mxm for GPUs, RAM, SATA and M.2, mPCIe, etc. Hell, most laptop adapters used 19.5v, just with higher or lower amperage for watt max. Framework is cool and all, but it's far off what I had in mind and I wish more manufacturers were doing this and agreeing on standards. Now, they're instead just soldering everything on board and trying to make everything thin and "elegant" 🤢

[@BloodyMobile]

@@PrideSage99 "aggreeing on standards" will never become _standard_ as long as proprietary makes more money. Aka as long as Apple can continue to be shit, we don't get to have nice things. Consumers first have to accept that they have to pay more for things _because_ they are interchangeable or interconnectable, then companies might actually give a fuck and offer those things. Which is basically what Louis is talking about for all these years.

[@Jito463]

As a small computer store that refurbishes computers regularly, we not only do clean installs of Windows (so no chance of viruses), but it avoids all the bloatware that the OEM installs from the factory.

[@GhostSamaritan]

Some viruses can survive in the UEFI.

[@Jito463]

@@GhostSamaritan Those are not very common, though. And there are methods to deal with them.

[@adriancoanda9227]

11th gen you will have a poor experience don't forget about hardware vulnerabilities that has been discovered and those can't be patched the only thing you can do Is to give real time priority to your AV to check those instruction set for example 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-1145G7 @ 2.60GHz has following vulnerability - Speculative Store Bypass (SSB): Susceptible, Transactional Asynchronous Abort (TAA): Affected, Shared Buffers Data Read (SBDR), Sideband Stale Data Propagator (SSDP) Vulnerability: Affected , Primary Stale Data Propagator (PSDP) Vulnerability: Affected, Post-barrier Return Stack Buffer Predictions Vulnerability: Affected, and that is the cpu alone and if your motherboard has some chips that can be used as a IPMI

[@utubemouse]

But for a low-income user who just needs it for college classes, a resume, a few spreadsheets for a small business and is not likely to be the target of high-level attacks. Maybe doing banking on their phone and not in the computer. They could probably slide by with used.

[@Jito463]

@@utubemouse Exactly, or grandma that just wants to keep up with her family and friends on Facebook or the like.

[@Montrala]

Very sustainable advice from Lenovo. From Lenovo webpage: "Committed to Sustainability As global citizens, we demonstrate corporate social responsibility in everything we do and everywhere we conduct business. Our Sustainability Policy expresses our pledge to taking care of the long-term economic, social, and environmental health of our company and the communities in which we operate."

[@spectrumofreality]

Keep putting your content out here man, you put forth great stuff!

[@Necrozene]

I really love hearing the phrase "f*cking hypocrite" after the scene is set appropriately. And with such feeling. Kudos to you again.

[@gordonlawrence1448]

I have a lot of computers in my home. The only new ones are my games machine, my MMS and a raspberry pi. My CAD machine, my office computer, and all 3 of my laptops are second hand. I absolutely know there is nothing iffy on the second hand machines as in the UK the drives are replaced with new ones.

[@manwiththeredface7821]

Stop buying used cars - you never know what might have happened on that backseat...

[@robertsmith2956]

I remember a kid bought a van at popo auction, and it has bags of drugs in the seats.

[@default178]

I know what happened in that backseat

[@Gatorade69]

​@@robertsmith2956Sounds like a great deal.

[@ambiarock590]

​@@robertsmith2956 You get a car and free drugs, I see this as an absolute win!

[@robertsmith2956]

@@Gatorade69 probably would have been if dad wasn't helping remove them.

[@cjgibbsey]

Huh and there is me factory resetting any laptop I buy to remove all their third party crapware

[@cjgibbsey]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M I meant a clean install

[@macethorns1168]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M A clean install from an official Microsoft ISO. And yes, that's how the fuck it works. Like always.

[@shri-ganesh]

That won't work if there is an UEFI level malware. But that doesn't justify Lenovo's points.

[@cjgibbsey]

@@shri-ganesh "But that doesn't justify Lenovo's points." never said it did. My point was more I end up having to remove bloatware from "legitimate" sources

[@remixedcat]

​@@shri-ganeshLenovo has malware in the UEFI BIOS

[@ruediix]

About the only thing I've really tied to my identity is Software Freedom, and Free Software. It used to be hard for me to accept people criticizing Linux. However, I've grown to understand that criticism is vital for knowing where Free Software projects need to improve.

[@ruediix]

Oh, BTW, on Gentoo, for the REALLY insane you can compile from Stage 0 tarball. (i.e. First Bootstrap cycle, not second bootstrap cycle.) There is literally ZERO advantage to doing this unless you want to customize the compiler options beyond what is available on the Stage 1 tarball.

[@KenjiUmino]

@@ruediix ... ok ... stage 0 tarball sounds like fun... what would be the next step? linux from scratch?

[@nabbit-hates-u-all67]

I have a Lenovo ThinkCentre that was made in late 2015 or early 2016 that I bought off of eBay last year. It had no HDD. I ended up purchasing an SSD, put Tiny11 on it and I have no issues ever since.

[@RoyFJ65]

Three Thinkpads still running here, one T400, X220 and X270 so no need for any new laptops. Thank you IBM.

[@tugger]

my E520 wont die

[@trikeonabike4949]

Thinkpad X220 tablet here, and STILL going strong 💪😤

[@stevabinok2909]

X220 gang here 🎉 still use it daily, it sits and plays yt and podcast while working on T490

[@falsemcnuggethope]

Aren't those all already from the Lenovo era?

[@MegaManNeo]

Outside of the 32bit processor, the X60t I have is still alive and well.

[@pastiesandagstring]

It’s funny how much they emphasize warranties. They neglect to mention how most companies just make excuses to deny you and have numerous loopholes written in to the warranties that allows them to not honor it when it’s well within its time frame. Or like with phones you don’t just get to exchange your broken phone for a new one so you’re not without a phone like they lead you to believe. No you’ll have to send it in so they can inspect it and determine if they’re even going to honor your warranty or replacement program. Then in like 2 weeks they’ll let you know if you can get a new phone.

[@GoodOlTazzy]

Sucks to suck not living in the EU.

[@zsrhusain]

Thank you for brining awareness to this, looks like Lenovo removed this section from their website.

[@lattermanstudio]

Excellent rant today 👍👍

[@Thingamajigs]

"Their identity is one with the products they choose to purchase" This is by design. This is the power of marketing and (one of) The coercive lengths they go to to sell their product to you. Manipulation from all sides is commonplace and the majority of people are completely oblivious to it -- this is especially true when money and/or power is involved.

[@christopherjames9843]

Edward Louis Bernays is the father of marketing/public relations. Marketing is just another name for propaganda. Joseph Goebbels read his books and used his techniques.

[@InsightThoughtSystems]

"... fundamental part of being an adult" - This is so spot-on. Your remarks on tribalism are right on.

[@delavan9141]

Wish the Elon fanboys would learn that lesson, too many of them "taking it down the throat" for Elon, hanging on his every utterance.

[@ChfHappySack]

Recently I threw together a budget gaming pc using an old lenovo office pc. The Lenovo Thinkcenter P310 to be exact. It came with an i7-6700 and 8 gigs of ram. I added a 650w power supply, another 24 gigs of ram for a total of 32, a 1TB sata ssd, and an RTX 2060. Combined total I only spent $480. The cpu is a little bit of a bottleneck in some demanding titles but other than that it performs flawlessly in almost every aspect. Technology has gotten so good that we're almost at a point where the price of new hardware is hard to justify. The used/refurbished market just offers too much value for your money.

[@leolong9743]

I have built my own since 1999. Upgraded with new parts when I had to. Never bought a new one except for clients that had to have new.

[@YOAownageYOA]

Between this and the battery DRM I guess I will begin not recommending these to my customers either.

[@DJ-Daz]

I used to work as a PC bench technician 25 years ago and I did it for 10 years. I honestly thought that people would be much much better with computers. I thought that kids coming up now would be at genius level in 20 years. How utterly wrong I was. The problem is people don't care about technology like I or we do, they just want it to work, period, to them it's just a tool and NOTHING more. As a result they HAVE to trust what a manufacturer will say. Instead of reasoning like they do in everyday life, they just switch off and buy a new one.

[@jamesbuckwas6575]

I don't blame the end users as much, we need to change their opinions and inform them about the benefits of user-friendly and repairable and upgradeable hardware. Computer literacy needs to be skill just like home repair or automotive maintenance.

[@DJ-Daz]

@@jamesbuckwas6575 I agree, but some people have no tolerance for anything technical, they struggle to use Windows or Office. Some people just cannot be helped. Tell them a repair is £100 or a replacement is £1,000 that should get some people motivated.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

The more we use them, the less mainstream they become, the less the average user knows about them. When computers were only something for enterprise specialists and nerds tinkering at home, everyone involved knew what they were doing.

[@wykydytron]

Well reality is people are ignorant morons in vast majority. I know kids capable of doing everything on smartphone but not knowing you have to double click to start app from desktop etc. I'm actually pretty sure people know less about computers then we did 20yr ago, maybe because it was all fairly new and exciting or maybe it's because we had to figure out so much on our own without yt tutorials etc. whatever it is result is people know nothing. I was recently building PC for my friends office, she was mind blown I can build it from parts, so I asked her to help me, guess what? She said it's actually surprisingly easy and she was just ignorant thinking it's some black magic because everyone told her it's complicated and requires special knowledge.

[@DJ-Daz]

@@wykydytron You used the phrase, black magic. It's so spot on, people do think it's voodoo or something. It isn't, it's just doing things in step. True story I swear. I'd been working as a PC bench technician for several years, no training but a wealth of knowledge, I read everything I could get my hands on, magazines, manuals (when they actually made in-depth user manuals!) and colleagues. One day this new kid starts, got a computer degree and everything. He got his first repair and just looked at it blankly. He didn't even know how to open a PC.

[@mixme8655]

New subscriber always watching your videos very interesting and helpful❤

[@derekp2674]

Nice rant, thanks Louis. Partly from your influence, I am actually a fan of buying used or refurbished Lenovo ThinkPads as they can be a great alternative to buying new. I'm sure there are a few other quality makes and models out there too.

[@johanngambolputty5351]

How can such a large company be so insecure? I'm second hand embarrassed.

[@affsteak3530]

It's me. I'm the asshole putting viruses on ALL the old PCs!

[@kevinfitzpatrick5949]

No me!

[@frankyfreestyle8400]

@@kevinfitzpatrick5949No me!

[@steverolfeca]

I agree with you about identity confusion in discussions about politics and technology. However, in my experience, very few vendors have as much integrity as the Rossman Group. A colleague of mine developed relationships with a couple of big PC refurb factories in Toronto that were doing OEM refurb work for the big 3, and was offering refurbs to veterinary hospitals who wanted to cut their hardware costs. He had so many problems with these "factory certified" machines, that he has abandoned them completely.

[@IraQNid]

I've gone to my local PC shop to buy old computers as towers, full server towers laptops, and small form factor PCs. All of them were being replaced with company upgrades. They all did what I was looking to use them for. Laptop batteries were a given, they wouldn't hold a change for very long. But new RAM sticks and a new hard drive meant I could save a lot of money, get a good PC, while still living within my budget. I don't need to have the latest or greatest. Not one of my computers has a screen better than 1366x768. That is the same for their TVs that I use as monitors. Where I shop they have their own technicians to fix the machines, to make upgrades, to build custom computers to meet the needs of their customers using new or used parts.

[@dmo848]

Ah come on. U gotta move up to 1080 at least. Your missing out😊

[@hwertz10]

I wish some companies went back to, umm, different charge strategies than they have now. I had a Gateway that was like 10-12 years old when I bought it, and it held 92% of the original charge. When I retired it a few years later (it was pretty slow..) it still held 88%. Original battery. The thing took like 6-7 hours to charge, the slow charging massively increased the battery life compared to these newer ones where it'll try to top it up in like an hour. I actually THINK some Thinkpads do have the option to switch charging rate, to their credit. I have not heard of any other vendor doing this.

[@SlavTiger]

Lying to this degree should be ILLEGAL

[@Volvith]

Honestly i'm not sure it isn't in some European jurisdictions. There's a genuine argument to be made this is tantamount to fraud. They're effectively discouraging getting third party refurbished Lenovo laptops, and encouraging buying them new for maximum profit on Lenovo's part. I could be wrong but this type of stuff looks courtroom worthy.

[@andrewk8636]

Slippery slope tho

[@technicolourmyles]

@@andrewk8636good. Let it be as slippery as it can be. Big corporations are basically never held liable for any of the BS they try to pull off on a daily basis.

[@skippythetubrat]

I've been fooling with computers since 1996. My hobby turned into a job and now I've worked in IT for 15 years. At this point in my life these things are just devices. I just want the damned things to work. After a day of staring at a screen, that last thing I want to do is go home and fix anything IT related. My current laptop is a used Dell that I picked up through Facebook Marketplace from a guy that buys devices at auction and refurbishes them. I paid $185 for a used Dell Latitude 7400. It has an 8th gen Core i7, 16 gigs RAM and a 512gb NVME drive. Brand new in 2020, with the same specifications, the thing retailed for $2k. Buying new computers just isn't worth it for me.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

I am the same with regards to not wanting to work on my laptop, I too just want it to work. That's why I use Chromebooks as my daily driver. Windows is on a 12 year old desktop I rarely use. I boot an old laptop to a live linux using Ventoy when performing data recovery tasks for folks.

[@ikrammaududi6205]

For $185, that's a steal

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@JeanPierreWhite I also have Windows on a 12 year old machine. One that I use nearly daily. In fact, I'm writing from that machine.

[@skippythetubrat]

@@ikrammaududi6205 I'm lucky in that I live in a major metropolitan area. There's plenty of competition when it comes to selling used and refurbished computers. I can generally find a good deal on most things if I'm a bit patient.

[@joeking433]

Wow, I just bought the same laptop! Does yours have a fingerprint reader and facial recognition? I got mine for $175 and it was like brand new! I couldn't believe I could get such a good laptop for so little money! I just paid $1300 in 2020 for a MacBook Pro and it's fucking up! I've got the dreaded "touchbar flicker" and sometimes it won't boot up so I thought I'd try a Windows machine again and I'm really impressed!

[@CedroCron]

I bought a Lenovo brand new from them, bought the warranty extension with "Next business day on-site Service" plan. Took them a month to finally schedule a call and get someone out to fix the problem. I kid you not. Daily calling, repeating what I told the last representative, sending pictures, running their diagnostic software, and then them saying they would ship the parts ahead of a technician coming out. Parts never came, called them again, went through the same crap again on the phone day after day, supervisor after supervisor, finally got the parts and finally got the technician a week after that to fix it. So this is their "support" that I should be using instead of some 3rd party? GIVE ME A BREAK! Never again Lenovo, NEVER again!

[@98of99]

Thank you for pointing out the hubris of Lenovo - I recently bought one at Costco and after 10 minutes of constant bombardment of ads and spyware I returned it. Thank goodness for Costco’s return policy. Never again Lenovo!

[@fredbarnes196]

I miss the days of Fry's electronics (before laptops) when you could go down and buy a refurb desktop for 1/2 the cost of new, and usually someone returned it because of a software problem. Never once had a problem doing that.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Before laptops? When was that, on 1985?

[@DragonsShadow-ttrpg]

Lenovo is not the only laptop manufacturer to be caught shipping new laptops with spyware, remember the sony vaio rootkit debacle? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[@jirib.8280]

In my country we can easily buy refurbished computers for about 100-600 dollars in very good condition, with reasonable configurations, warranty typically 6-24 months. And I typically choose Thinkpads, HP Probook or Elitebook or similar Dells and they work fine. I have bought like 10 of them in last 10 years and none of them has died in warranty time. Many of them are working for 5 years+. You just need to choose reasonable specs, test it before buying and use it in sane way... And yes, I typically do clean install of either related Windows version or some Linux distribution right after buying it.

[@drakegao816]

So true about the identity. If you look at the forum from Librem 5, almost all the negative post or comments got bashed and attacked so bad. Some comments are even attack personally. It is a alpha stage phone with an idea of freedom, but the phone owners there take the phone as a symbol of freedom.