Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2 Force Feedback System Review

[@RemcoHitman]

Thank you Shawn for the mention! I jumped out of my seat :-) Great review, too. Love your enthusiasm.

[@Subparanon]

If you ever had the chance to play the old arcade game "Hard Drivin" it also used a direct drive servo wheel. From the moment I played it as a teenager, up to my middle age, it has been the benchmark against which all other wheels are measured. What I most remember about it was how smooth it was, and no binding, gear noise, or cogging. It could spin freely one moment, and almost rip your arm off the next. I can't wait to get something like this for my rig.

[@Kamukix]

Shaun, that was a fantastic(!) review, it's really got me thinking. I'm planning out a new rig for next year now that I'm finally back to iRacing, and honestly....almost everything is on the table right now. This was a very helpful review, beautiful work. LKL

[@merkury06]

Bravo! Best review ever. To your point on cost, top DSLRs, Guitars, even clothes etc etc. hell even handbags cost this much and more.

[@TheTalemaster]

Congrats on 22,000 subs exactly as of today!

[@shawnduhamel]

Nice job, Sean. I bought this same wheel in August. Your review is spot on, as far as my personal experience. Yes, it is VERY expensive. But, as you said, it comes down to how much we're willing to or can invest in our hobby. One big issue anyone considering buying this wheel should be aware is that it is really strong. You have to have a solid mount for it. I am about to upgrade my rig to a Fast Track Sim rig. Right now I have a Game Pod. Even after reinforcing the deck it shakes too much under the torque. I also bought a Sam Maxwell rim with shifters, which set me back nearly $1,000. If you have the money it is an amazing wheel.

[@lucienpetersen]

thank you sir, for quoting the metric measurements as well for the rest of us. I wish all broadcasters would do that.

[@desfoleyracing]

Good to see you back making videos Sean, been off the radar for a while myself. This video really has me wanting to save up for one of these bad boys!

[@JplaysOfficial]

Excellent and throughout review like always. Always a pleasure watch these. Thx Shaun! Funny how there is so many things I can relate in this video when it comes to direct drive wheels. Sweating, moving mouse etc... :D

[@flyingformation1878]

I love you man, I could listen to you all day long!

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

Good video great to see you cover it, well done. "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it"

[@steveclaeysgoesracing]

The Ferris Bueller comment was cool. Man I feel old. 😂 Great extensieve review of the best money can buy.

[@maciejradon392]

Hi Shaun! I would like to say BIG THANK YOU! It's a great review, I love it! I just made my decision! I'm buying it! One more time, thanks a lot!

[@Judasneon]

One can only dream. But you get what you pay for. Quality costs money. great review Shaun.

[@tensevo]

LeoFFB plugin transformed rfactor from medicore to amazing. This is a professional piece of kit.

[@Sidewicz]

Great review Shaun! After watching your video I was keeping my wallet close and ready to buy the OSW system.

[@RipperDraco]

Shaun are you planning to make a review about the simucube package that simracing bay offers?It's affordable but I can't find any trusted review about that wheel Base /software.. It will be very helpful Shaun..

[@AdamsOlympia]

It's interesting to go back to see the early stages of DD wheel designs, for those of us who only got into the hobby after the market has been proliferated with DD wheelbases. (I currently run a Simucube 2 Pro) .. Those chunky connectors on top of the LeoBod look like a receptical for hydraulic lines! Everything about this seems over engineered and built to last a lifetime.

[@F1SimulatorManiac]

Great review ! amazing product !

[@miketmbt]

thanks for the review. good to see

[@AnistaEvents]

Hi Shaun. Love the energy and passion you put into your videos. Keep them coming ! Ok, silly question. Can you please tell me the name/manufacturer of your rig. Looks rock solid!

[@Soulfood68]

Damn good review... 2 thumbs up.

[@davebell771]

I tried one of these :) Kind of wished I hadn't! I'll prob never be able to afford it and my t300 feels like a real toy :(

[@russc5269]

Infinity Dave did you now. ;)

[@davebell771]

He he Russel :P Glad you let me try it :)

[@russc5269]

Can't see why you would need anything more powerful than a 52 motor though.

[@LukasD89]

same here, only it is the TX I am owning ;) Damn SimRacing EXPO with its damn expensive sim rigs :P

[@1984kylea]

Just get an Accuforce. I know not as good as a Bodnar but I own one and it still makes a T300 feel like a toy for 1/4 the price

[@batiittos]

Sounds just like my simucube osw. I'm very happy with it after couple of a days adapting.

[@lonniefarrare1297]

What's appealing about DD wheel is that it's a one and done purchase. I won't have a Leo wheel but an OSW kit but I like the idea of buy and forget. No consumer wheel will come close probably ever.

[@AdamsOlympia]

"No consumer wheel will come close, ever" Didn't age well. ;)

[@Eth3realwarrior]

lol perfect 👌 soundtrack opening!

[@F1SimulatorManiac]

Great review thanks a lot mate!

[@fiutare1]

1:16 ahhhhh, the Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback Wheel. Haha, great times there was!

[@thegreatc8137]

If I'm honest, every negative thing that comes to mind as I watch this stems from me being butt-hurt about not being able to afford something like this. LOL

[@JuiceSkyy]

Still waiting to hear what Fanatec have to say bout there (phantom) DD Wheel,... Thomas ?

[@SimRacingLife]

Great review Mr Cole, will one be keeping the wheel ?

[@RB-87]

Great review.

[@adrianstealth340]

Best quality ffb system out there

[@RomanGalon]

Nice review , Thanks

[@michaelchaplin866]

this system defo makes me more confident

[@nismo8892]

Hey Sean I got the same set up but I’m have an issue with Iracing cockpit how do you make this Sternwheel to disappear looking at yours only the speedometers but no wheel

[@anderson_luiz]

How does this compare to the fanatec clubsport v2.5? I used a fanatec clubsport a while ago and it's amazing. Now i'm going to buy one, but heard about this SS2. Is the price difference justified?

[@Briz0wn1983]

Now Mr. Cole.. tell us what will be your main wheel? I do race this beast for few months, did few 24hrs races and result? Lost lot of weight ;)

[@Blahde]

Mate, appreciate the review, it is fascinating where we're going and so on. But, I could buy a decent 2nd Hand Car for that 😜 It's a Rip Off, pure and simple!

[@pertsonvelts1699]

Enjoyed, thanks!

[@Marauder1981]

I play tennis with this one. Didn´t know it was for racing sims.

[@CALZIa78ts]

hi, another great tutorial! please can you help us with Sim Sterring1 settings ? first of all in iacing,

[@CharlesK441]

I'm thinking about getting the SW20. Much less expensive. Your thoughts?

[@gametechbuilds3755]

Where are the links to buy this items please I'm planning to build 2 one regular with thrustmaster and this one as a high end so when it comes to fun and originality i dont mind spending great video

[@seb-kun]

did you say it's a stepper motor, because this is not, it's a brushless motor. What you feel are some "magnetic poles" that complexity go off when the motor is powered.

[@FranseFrikandel]

A stepper motor is brushless though, and you can also very clearly feel said magnetic poles on stepper motors (Not that I have one of these, I've only ever held a small nema17 stepper) AFAIK high end servo motors usually are stepper motors with encoders.

[@jrthastar]

I also have that side to side shaking with my g920 any advice to remove that from my wheel when playing Project Cars on my Xbox ?

[@jacelaparan9571]

Hi Shaun, which you think is better, an osw large mige motor with latest sincos encoder or this leo bodnar sim steering 2? Cant decide which one to get

[@aky19832001]

With a price tag nearing 5k, I wonder how many of these get sold a year.

[@dergrammarfuhrer1901]

Sorry, completely off topic here, but what should I go for, G29 or T300RS? I can get a G29 for £175 on Amazon without the shifter, I've heard that the T300RS is a better wheel but it costs £250 on Amazon and then I would need to buy new pedals, so is the increase in wheel quality worth the extra money?

[@BJAntonio46]

Such a bad ass system...

[@stuartkeithguitars4251]

Is there a direct drive wheel and pedals that is plug and play?

[@Robstafarian]

This, SimuCube 2, any well-made Open Sim Wheel/Simucube (i.e. Simucube 1) rig, and Fanatec's Podium are all as close to plug and play as direct drive has been for the last few years.

[@eruhsem]

Thank you for the Video. i have a question. Can you please tell me. when device ist off(simsteering Control unit), is servo Harder turning or easy turning? i have simsteering v2 AKM53 but when AKM 53 servo with Servo Power cable to Control unit pluged, servo to be harder(power cable of Control unit is unplug and device on/off Switch is OFF). is this normal?

[@jasonking1284]

6:58 wow.... 9lbs in weight,.. you handled that like it was nothin.... and at 7:40, 16lbs lifted with little effort, ....impressive......

[@quintinavar1831]

How do you compare with osw and realcar?Thanks

[@rareair3973]

What is the name of the song in the beginning? I know it was in a gran turismo game but i can never remember the name

[@Case_]

It couldn't be easier to remember, though. It's called "Oh yeah" and it's by Yello.

[@rareair3973]

Case Thanks man/. i have a bad memory when it comes to things like that.

[@mo-r-racing]

you cannot really compare prices of other hobbies Sean. It's about value. Are you getting your moneys worth, is the product you have bought worth the asking price? A fully built plug and play OSW costs about £1100, for the 20nM. THe equivalent Bodnar is £2880 including the VAT! I cannot see where the extra £1700 has gone frankly.

[@mo-r-racing]

i'd choose windows because it justifies the £100 for the amount of productivity i get back from it, given my lack of expertise with linux and lack of compatability with a bunch of software. i don't see your point.

[@BurningBroadcast]

In the motor, the Kollmorgen AKD motor is far superior to the Small MiGE in the OSW kits. In all measurable metrics. That said, the difference in actual driving isn't nearly as big as the spec sheet would suggest.

[@flyingformation1878]

Totally agree Mate!

[@feo130]

I am literally looking to add this to my rig, which consists of a desk and a single monitor lol. To be honest, the last thing I need in my house is a car cockpit...I just want the best experience money can buy, aesthetics be damned.

[@manspeej]

There's this guy in KZbin called Jimmy Broadbent and he has an OWS with 30 Newton meters of torque

[@Robstafarian]

That is known as the "big MiGE" motor; the "small MiGE" is a 20Nm motor. I am planning on getting an OSW (Open Sim Wheel) rig next year.

[@stingray427]

you talk so much about smoothness and strength, but what about latency (responsiveness)? If you never mentioned it, i guess it's on same level with Logitech, fanATTACK and Thrustmasters wheels, am I right?

[@simracingos]

Can the purchase link be placed under the video? Thank you.

[@critneyhere]

Not a stepper - but a servo motor - otherwise great review! Now how can I use this in a diy project 🤔 😊

[@m.sspeckyy7494]

What about simsteering version 1 compared to this one?

[@marquisegoodwin2481]

Is the 53 a bit too much? Should I just buy the 52?

[@mesarraff]

how this compares to the Pro SW from EC?

[@TaylorLoftisKim]

Is it just cause they are made or designed to be used in the "industrial world" that makes these so expensive? Wish affordable enthusiast sim racing was on this level, but for a wayyy cheaper cost lol.

[@_._._._X]

what's the sim rig in video ? Rcn1?

[@G-Rex1088]

If you have a Wheel system like this, Wich is better Asseto Corsa or PC? Only if ou have a system like this

[@Totally_Not_Raging]

Isnt this a guy from Inside Sim Racing

[@TaylorLoftisKim]

yeah he parted ways with them from what i believe.

[@fishblade2]

I thought it was. Well that sucks. I liked their channels but friends never go into business together and usually make it work for very long.. They both want different things eventually whether its more publicity or money.

[@patchedupdemon7104]

honestly i must be really numb,because apart from the quicker reactions and stronger ffb,i couldnt feel that much difference between a belt drive and this wheel,the only wheel i thought was worth the asking price of the dd range was the accuforce,and that was solely down to simcommander,because you could add effects to help understand what the front tyres were doing. with my limited time with bodnar v2,the ffb effects that i felt,felt exactly the same as my t300,although stronger and tighter,but it did not give extra effects or that much extra detail to know what the tyres were doing to justify the asking price. everyone ive read has said the bodnar and osw type wheels totally transform the ffb,to me they dont,the only one to do that was the accuforce,i personally think these wheels are wasted on iracing,their ffb dont take advantage of what the dd wheel tech offers,example,update rates,360hz in iracing but the wheels are capable of over 500hz,1000hz in total,both read and execute i will say that when i used and osw on rf2,that was a really good experience compared to iracing and i could justify buying one,but then i tried the accuforce on rfpro,i will never be satisfied now,nothing compares to rfpro,nothing. dd wheels are better thand belt drive by design,the lack of lag thru not having belts is the biggest advantage,and until my sim of choice updates its ffb to take advantage of the rest that dd wheels have to offer,i will stick with my t300. some say physics at 60hz is all you need,all i know is,autombilster has proven that wrong

[@jasinow]

patchedupdemon I own a osw and a t500. I'm letting my best mate use the t500 at the moment. I dont have the ffb strength that high on the osw but the layers of feel in all parts of load on the osw are worlds apart compared to my t500 I regular still drive at my mates. I understand your comments but the more you spend time on the osw the more and more the subtle feeling being to come through the wheel for your sense. It's smooth delivery and biuld up of torque makes my t500 feel like a plastic toy now. but when I first got my osw I actually said to my mate that its not that much better too:). What I will suggest is that the osw is every bit as good as the v2 bodnar. Im lucky enough to have another mate with that wheel and all 3 of us can't tell the difference between the osw and bodnar, except for personal feel. If I was reviewing I'd suggest the bodnar has a bit more inbiult dampening inherent to the wheel software. but again that could be my sensitivity to its forces compared to my osw. The biggest advantage you get with a dd wheel is being able to feel the limit of the rubber all the time not a on and off feel of the t500. It makes for alot more consistant pace without doing heaps of laps to get muscle memory.

[@new2wood1]

huge savings my arse

[@borisboskov32]

Warranty ?

[@swetunafpv1856]

And the price is?

[@felipemacedo241]

Yelow!

[@TarisRedwing]

Thumbs up for another great vid but I dont see the point of needing that much arm breaking torque. Even a real cars wont do that unless you get in a crash. The last thing I drove that had probably that much torque I was hulling ass in a Humvee off road when I was in the Army. Power steering is so good today in real cars that a low end FFB wheel seems to sim newer cars. Next thing I know people will be mounting wheels to an air hammer ratchet lol.

[@JohnGeorgeHill]

It's not just about torque, it's about how well you can read the road through the wheel and how well the wheel adapts. Someone else did a piece about this wheel, and it's amazing how similar their comments are about the wheel. I know Shaun has run faster laps than before just because of the wheel.

[@simrigpc27b12]

Air hammers do not rotate, just in and out. So I'm not sure we'll ever see that one pulled off. But maybe an air hammer driven brake pedal........ Oh yea, now we're talking! Don't knock the DD wheel systems til you've tried one. There's no going back.

[@smoothacceleration437]

You have to drill holes into your rig to install it?? and you call that easy??!

[@ComandanteJ]

EXTREMELY overpriced. It's a good motor, but you can get it for 350€ from China. The control unit is even less money, but OK, lets say it costs another 350€. Let's toss another 250€ per unit to cover R+D. Thats around 1000€. everything else is just profits. LOTS of profits. They could cut the price in half and still make good money, and it would make it affordable for a lot more people. I can see myself spending 1500€ on this thing. But 3000€? i can buy a REAL MX-5 in very good condition for that money, for fucks sake. And i would still have enough cash left to make some laps on a racetrack. And whats up with charging 90€ for a piece of metal? 70€ for some pieces of sheet metal with some holes? Everything that's related to this thing costs double than what it should cost. At those prices, they can stick it where the sun never shines.

[@wardtweepuntnul3141]

I think you have a point but a red camera is the same when you think like that. a memory card there is 500 euro's.

[@Fluterra]

You obviously have NO clue how much it costs to make quality products!! "A piece of sheet metal"?! Google that and educate yourself before spewing false comments. That adaptor is a CNC machined alloy that's anodized. The price is incredibly fair and reasonable. I have no affiliation with the company.

[@ComandanteJ]

And you are obviusly out of touch with reality if you think a small piece of stainless steel for 70 bucks is "fair". Do you realize that a METRIC TON of 7075 T6 Aluminium goes for between 2500 and 3500USD if bought industrially (means that you have to buy one tonne at a time)? And I highly doubt that thing is 7075, it''s probably general purpose 6060 or something like that, which is cheaper. Do you know how many adaptors can they make from 1 tonne of material? Let's do some maths. Let's say they didnt buy large quantities and one tonne ended costing them 5000USD. Each adaptor weights 260g. Let's ad a 50% material loss (it's probably much less). That clocks up to 390g per adaptor. There are 1.000.000g in a metric ton. 1.000.000 / 390 = 2.564 adaptors. 5000 USD raw material / 2564 adaptors = 1,95 USD, +100% operating costs (operator time, CNC machine maintenance), 3.9 USD would be te costs of every adaptor. But let's say i'm way off and they cost four times more to manufacture. Thats 15 USD per adaptor. They sell them at 88. That's almost 600% margin. And for a piece that you only buy if you have spent at least 3500USD on one of their products!!!! It should be friggin' included, for god's sake! RIP-OFF. And let's not talk about the brackets... because those are made of stainless steel, that goes for anywhere from 750USD to 1500USD per metric ton. The margings are friggin' insane.

[@traind]

It is priced very high.... but whining about it is unbecoming.

[@ComandanteJ]

traind I dont know, man, i'd say there's a difference between whining about something, and calling out a companie's bullshit.

[@SoulReaperJay1]

Meh, the Simucube paired with a MiGe motor gives 95% of the performance at less than half the cost.

[@Raz0r88]

www.simracingbay.com/product/mige-osw-kit/ ?

[@0bzen22]

Did you get to keep it? Lol. Lost in the mail!

[@FullFledged2010]

Why would you would need anything above 10nm is completely beyond me.. 🤔

[@azzifyy5988]

FullFledged2010 Because bigger motors off more fidelity

[@Robstafarian]

The concept of headroom, as used in sound reinforcement, applies.

[@donblub]

the wheel is cheap, the flex in it, it will get bent with this beast of a base.

[@mono_vt]

0:14 triggered by music

[@aky19832001]

Yeats from now well be laughing at how outlandish this wheel is. Because when you look at it objectively. It really is. This enormous servo motors with wires thick enough to hold up a car and so heavy that it requires a special desk.

[@Robstafarian]

The weight is not why a strong rig is required; that requirement is due to the torque, which is (for the model shown) more than double that of a "strong" wheel and eight times that of a "normal" wheel.

[@aky19832001]

@@Robstafarian I still dont get the wheel. It's nothing like the real wheel and feel though. I race sometimes

[@Robstafarian]

@@aky19832001 Such systems are not necessarily meant to mimic actual steering hardware; rather, the idea seems to be improving the simulation experience within its own context. I have seen mention of much stronger variants, upwards of 60Nm, with regard to race training.

[@aky19832001]

@@Robstafarian ahh, okay. thank you for your explanation. I was confused really because even the car in the game moves fake.

[@Robstafarian]

@@aky19832001 Thanks for being amiable.

[@al-dorifto1631]

Forget everything in life just buy the wheel :) lol n bro all the cons you said aren't exactly cons as any experienced sim racer would realize cuz all good high end wheel servos don't come wit buttons they all need heavy duty rigs and they are all expensive, the only people that would complain about your cons would be people that have just got Forza or need for speed on computer n don't know what actually sim racing is about :) once I become a successful KZbinr I'm so buying meself one screw thurstmaster and fanatec lol

[@BaronVonHaggis]

..So jelly

[@Mr.Bunyip]

if you keep your thumbs tucked in the wheel will break them when you crash. its a bad habit you'll need to get out of

[@TheGbelcher]

Why hasn’t the flight sim community jumped all over this?

[@carlmarks8170]

Infomercial

[@FezzantPlucka]

I wonder if anyone has actually hurt themselves using a wheel like this?

[@kevedwards]

FezzantPlucka yes, probably a black eye from the wife after her seeing how much money they've spent 😂

[@dusty44444]

Set playback speed to 1.5x. You're welcome.

[@WadeOz]

Set playback speed to 0.5x. Hilarity ensues. YOU'RE welcome.

[@jayaybe1]

*dusty44444* I'm welcome to what?

[@youngstadan4999]

that's some doe, specially with no wheel

[@ultravitar91]

ohh..

[@TMCHL]

calling GPS writing GPB is actually GBP lol

[@Fluterra]

Corvette is not steer by wire

[@SinnerJ]

Welp as soon as I heard the price... nope. nooooope.

[@RespawnPoints]

That's for poor people! #BlameBarnacules

[@samzilla1050]

Fanatec dd1 $1000

[@nigelsenchez]

8" and not even the shaft.

[@sharmic1]

you could buy a electric motor and controler for a real car for that price

[@epicdreams1]

Stupid expensive, it has a safety button because if it goes crazy its going to rip your rig apart if not your arms lol

[@skinnyergs]

huge shaft, ayyy lmao