Leopard 40/70 - "The Time Traveling Anti-Air?"

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This vehicle originally flew under my radar and until I took a second look at it and then a third look at the battle rating. This is a Leopard 1 Hull with a modernized 40mm Bofors currently at 5.0. It is as much of a monster as you think it is.
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[@botimegaming]

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[@nb392]

will do when i pick something up this week

[@cyclegang5302]

perfect just perfect

[@TKHarris1967]

Will do.

[@wolfviperepicdude]

Hay Bo, you should try out the battle of the Atlantic event that is going on right now. I played it and it brought back a lot of Silent Hunter memories 😎🍺

[@empiricalpanzervii1556]

Are yall planning on bringing a video out with the recent event?

[@th0r945]

Fun fact about this vehicle: it was built on a leopard 1a2 chassis. It could also use HE-VT and APFSDS rounds with that cannon.

[@Nightmare_52]

guessing we will get that sometime later

[@Whitedeath24]

@@Nightmare_52 with an increase in BR most likely and im not sure if im a fan of that, maybe as a separate foldered vehicle

[@Nightmare_52]

or as an event vehicle "look here is that tank but better!"

[@Smokey348]

@@Whitedeath24 this should not even be 5.0 if i am being honest. 5.7 minimum

[@paracetamol-1480]

​@@Smokey348With proximity ammunition maybe 7.3?

[@chasenelson5586]

Persther. A lost German prototype that used a panther A turret, the american m3 90mm, ad leftover panther hulls. It was built by french capture grrman machanics/tankers when looking at the capacity immediately after Germany fell. Similar to the Panshing, the us pershing that mounted the German panther 75mm

[@jonhg92]

source?

[@chasenelson5586]

My Imagination Library

[@dewoitine]

​@@chasenelson5586wargaming/world of tanks will hire you

[@RyRy_941]

Seeing you all work so hard to flip those two upside down tanks at the beginning even while under fire really was sweet. Good on ya, guys! This whole video was full of greatness and I now feel my beloved L62 has some competition in the SPAA that is actually a Tank Destroyer department

[@sundhaug92]

I mean, there's also the ZSU-57-2

[@adamg7984]

You mean that L62 with the laughably over powered APHE round that badly needs removed or re-balanced? Gaijin sucks so much. They gave a 40mm APHE the same power as a 75mm APHE. The more I spend time not playing War Thunder the more I realize how utterly laughable it's balancing is. The L-62 Anti is one of the most unbalanced vehicles in the lower BR's, but you keep enjoying it. And then Gaijin has literally done nothing to improve since the shit show we had a few months ago. I was hoping they'd actually address the balancing and power-creep yet here we are with another 1970's era chassis fighting in WW2 era matches with the no armor bullshit that makes having less armor a huge boon when shot by anything high caliber.

[@crafter3355]

The fact that this thing can fight a vk and win is amazing

[@dewoitine]

Don't worry, the vk in the beginning came back immediately in a fighter bomber because he was upset.

[@owenmccarthy2521]

I saw the thumbnail and couldn't have agreed more. There should be (in my opinion) a "cap" for vehicles. World War 2 facing World War 2, Korean war v. Korean war, etc. Love the vids Bo, keep up the awesome work.

[@bufonidae5173]

Idk why they can’t just like cut it off after like 1948 and then go from there up

[@kishunia4627]

In most of scenarios, I can agree... But damn... Concept 3 against cold war vehicles like Leopards?

[@th0r945]

I have a feeling this will be going up in BR very soon

[@WalletWorrier]

Disagree mate

[@the_cheddar_knight]

I completely agree. It would add to the challenge of killing things like the Tiger 2 ECT

[@Blue_Beta]

It's ridiculous how all are complaining about "the BR is too low". You all already forgot about the AMX 13 DCA 40 that has the same identical cannon, ammo and a smaller tank and fast tank but at 4.3!!! Really? Because it's and Italian vehicle it must be raised leaving the french counterpart lower? This AA is fine where it is.

[@penzorphallos3199]

Gaijin: "we have br gaps, so let's compress the br 🤓" Also gaijin: "we filled br holes with cold war vehicles and event vehicles, now we have 0 vehicles for higher brs 😅"

[@codyfrench7668]

this thing would never, *ever* work at a higher br so...

[@collosalfuckingidiot]

Not with APDS and HEVT?

[@penzorphallos3199]

@@codyfrench7668 nobody asking to make it face Abrams and also it is missing a radar targeting system which many nations added to the Bofors at that time period

[@toxicmuggle5788]

​@@penzorphallos3199the Problem os that the radar was just that, a Radar, I don't believe there was ever a tracking system, at least for the dusters. But even then they should be seperate vehicles so something Like say an M19/M42 can stay at 4.0/4.3 providing much needed support for that line-up, and maybe a modification of either vehicle with HE-VT and a Radar at mayb 6.0-6.7

[@penzorphallos3199]

​@@toxicmuggle5788 the wiki page of the gun system omits this prototype but among others lists the US sergeant york spaa which had tracking and targeting even if albeit a garbage one. Still this prototype stage literally was just a Bofors on a Leo chassis, so yeah no radar or tracking, probably specifically chosen by gaijin to keep it low br sadly

[@nekophht]

I always found it odd how they'd not care about tech levels when placing some vehicles, but hey, we get oddball vehicles either way. Keep up the good work, Bo & Co!

[@airsoftpopcorn]

Wdym tech levels, how is this anymore advanced than the other 40mm aa tanks?

[@adamg7984]

@@airsoftpopcorn It has a 1970's chassis and should have significantly better gun laying and handling since it's a turret that would have been made 30+ years after the Bofors gun. The gun itself also should be a far more modern variant. Gaijin is one of the worst companies I have ever seen when it comes to general balancing and match making balance.

[@MJPIA]

Feels weird seeing WWII Italian crew puttering around in a leo hull

[@i_nameless_i-jgsdf]

Love when they up BR the Type 87 prototype from 5.7 to 7.7 because it is too modern, just a few patches later we got this thing that pens VK frontally, you serious ?

[@fandaeckert1915]

I still can't get over the fact that this has better stabilised gun than the actual Leo 1.

[@jonhg92]

well i mean its an AA gun. they have good elevation speed

[@TrickiVicBB71]

LOL, Stickboy wants to commit peace talks while Bo just wants violence

[@rhystaylor851]

The time period argument is silly IMO, game balance should come first when assigning BRs. I don't see people complaining about the M42 Duster, Concept 3, G6, that 2.3 Swedish AA etc. If it fits the 'meta' of that BR range it should stay

[@adamg7984]

To be fair, the L-62 Landsverk was WW2 era. It has the right to be down there, it's SAP-HE is what is ridiculous and needs removed or rebalanced because it's laughably overperforming in post-penetration damage. But the Concept 3 at least has shit armor and shit turret traverse, it doesn't have modern turret rotation like this piece of piss nor does it have the speed of a race car on tracks. The M42 Duster was a 1952 design. The G6 and some of the SPA tanks at least fit better because they were never designed for front line combat. Gaijin simply sucks shit at balancing, this tank shouldn't be where it is. It's laughable that it's there, it's laughable that the R3 is there. At the very least, they should just throw the realistic in Realistic Battles right out the window if this is how they do things.

[@lordwintertown8284]

​@adamg7984 I think they mean the PBV 301 APC which were built in the 1960's (albeit a pre war chassis & WWII cannon).

[@rhystaylor851]

@adamg7984 yeah I meant the Pv 301, it's from the 70's (Marder's gun). But you kinda made my point with the Concept 3 and SPGs, balance should take president over time period. The realism should go into the tank models and performance, but gameplay should be fun. If BRs were arranged ""realistically"" have fun fighting Tiger 2s in your M22, or Shermans in your Chi-he.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@rhystaylor851 nah, this is balans.

[@necrozmaggron5840]

Bo, the ONE SHOT wonder!

[@retro3564]

you guys are a joy to watch! thank you...and never get ridd of Stick, please

[@Kettleman1.0]

I thought this 'anti air' would be more underteired (like l62 anti 2) but its not actuaky that annoying to deal with i guess 5.0s have more armour than 2.7

[@cadenbarnfather1434]

well, it has a MBT chassis and a much much much newer bofors, and the L-62 and LVKV have much older ones, as well as having an outdated (even by their BR standards) chassis

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

yeah at 2.7 the 40mm is basically a main cannon caliber but full auto and tier 3 so you can use it for tasks lol, great choice by gaijin

[@Kettleman1.0]

@@hungryhedgehog4201 it's got an api shell with 72mm of pen which is basically automatic aphe

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

@@Kettleman1.0 it's sap so it's a really high pen HE round which just instakills everything, I feel so dirty for using that thing.

[@Kettleman1.0]

@@hungryhedgehog4201 that's why I dislike low teir sweden so much with the reserve tanks apds or the anti 'air' (reality as anti tank)

[@compliantcorgi4959]

Great video Bo. The vehicle definitely seems to be a terror again tanks and aircraft.

[@sabregunner1]

holy cow the roatin speed on that turret. that 40mm is a beast cheers to stick and thor

[@adamg7984]

It's almost like it shouldn't be placed in a BR that predominantly sees WW2 era tech.

[@lordwintertown8284]

IIRC it should be a higher rotation speed since it's I think a Type-107 mount so the same mount off the P-493 & P-494 MTGB/MB & those have a 90° traverse rate.

[@GCho733]

The amount of wholesomeness in the first part.

[@OiBaoBao]

The 007 roll down the hill killed me 🤣

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

Playerbase: tehre are too many cold war auto cannon vehicles in the WW2 br ranges Gaiji: we got you

[@AydenMCash]

Nice Video, Glad I spent my time watching this while cutting wood and now my nose burns after laughing too much.. Also 415K should be past 1 mil for the quality..

[@augie6651]

Madness as always

[@Kitsunekun69]

lmao, the paper shredder will love the report! I love the goofs you all have playing warthunder!

[@domwheatley6932]

Could you imagine if anyone of those tanks was alive.💀3:41

[@dabiga2315]

I don't think that plane was expecting to get perforante'd

[@Queen_Bee_82]

Thank you Thor, Stickboy and Bo!! 💜

[@andrewdowell2663]

I really miss when this game was only WW2 vehicles

[@frankhayden2162]

“The trees are alive” idk who said it. As an American that made me jump six feet in the air and look around with a confused panic look

[@Tachikoma-sj6kz]

"try turning off your targeting computer" gem

[@thunderwithchrissy]

is it me or is this leopard spaa a little too strong for its br? *dies

[@keith5032]

This thing is basically a low tier IFV it is kinda stabilized and has an auto cannon this has to be atleast higher in BR

[@iMoD190]

you could say the same about any SPAA vehicle.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

@@iMoD190yeah, people complain about this while ignoring all other 40mm aa in the game

[@bradenhagen7977]

@@iMoD190 I think he means it more in the nature of a BTR than the Swedish 40mm truck or wirblewind.

[@craigpaul623]

​​@@airsoftpopcornI complain about them all. None of them are at the correct tier, and many of them have ammo that they never would have had, all to make it balanced. If you have to do this much gymnastics to make it fit in for balance, maybe it shouldn't be in the game at all? But I also understand that the devs are going to do what they are going to do and I wish them success, because this is the only game out there, that I am aware of, that scratches the itch for me

[@runfromdeathfridge1396]

4 of these leapords rushed my team and we lost in like 4 minutes

[@redsnowleopard]

No way the kugelblitz is *2 whole BRs* above this

[@The_Blue_Knight394]

I love the vids man they make my day

[@StyxRiverGynoid]

"This week, on War Snow Runner ..."

[@TateMcNutt]

when the sherman has to fight a leo lol, and great vid

[@MrTundraTommy]

Fun fact#2: if it was under the Japan tree they would have it as 7.7

[@USSWisconsin]

5:22 hey! The sarc is actually deadly

[@NagoyaRR]

22:45 you could say the sticks everything together.

[@za_ven0m818]

Never opened a video so fast in my life 🥳 Yay

[@tweda4]

Oh god lmao 🤣 The tank Bo mercilessly slaughtered at 5:01 was an "A13 Mk 1". Those tanks entered service in *1938* a year *before* WW2. That 'tank' is only a rank 1/2 so they're not in the same rank, but crikey.

[@zanaduz2018]

A13s are the British reserve tanks.

[@khannaraha8817]

all these mentions of the paper shreader just keeps making me think that it is actually the nickname for someone in HR.

[@pvt.bushmann5903]

A Leopard chassis at 5.7 I think is really funny for some reason

[@ridleymain9234]

It’s currently at 5.0

[@rooky1991]

FINALLY!! Gaijin had an answer to the puma!! 😂

[@m.lucifer6722]

Keep up the good work!

[@KorporalNoobs]

Meet that thing in a down tier at 4.0. Parked right at our spawn and killed and crippled medium tank after medium tank. Utterly breaks that tier.

[@Thekilleroftanks]

that seems more like your team were dumb, just launch arty or just mg it to death, the crew is exposed on the turret. then again this is warthunder players were talking about here. theyre quite dumb

[@merafirewing6591]

You guys definitely got sealclubbed to oblivion.

[@DDragon501]

Interesting vehicle. Wonder if we’ll see more like it in the future with the threat of drones now a known issue.

[@cadenbarnfather1434]

I like to think of this as the ITSPV 90, but even more undertiered

[@ridleymain9234]

I love the leopard 40/70 and think it should be at 5.3 at minimum. It’s incredibly easy to kill which is why I don’t think it should be higher. You can easily ammo rack it. Half of the ammo is stored in the open on the back of the turret. You can also mg through the turret armor easily.

[@cyclegang5302]

just a masterpiece

[@Thebuffrat]

At the start of the video sickboy had a Vietnam flash yeling "THERE IN THE TREES, THERE IN THE TREES"

[@ardrek_]

5.7 by Easter???? Another superb and hilarious video! Thank you

[@nyxorelius]

Thought "That tank recovery spot would be a -" bomb lands "never mind"

[@happydawgproductions7103]

As always hilarious video

[@czerwony1420]

1:14 battle of stalingrad found footage

[@TomPrickVixen]

Unless u have a junkyard full of Leo 1 hulls, or u got a shipment of faulty Leo kits that's missing all the turrets; that's a waste for a single 40mm (with no other extras).

[@SilveradoChris]

Too bad War Thunder has not separated tanks by conflict as well, like all WW2 tanks in a group and then the cold war and modern Era, that would be a great update

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Except in reality it overlaps. But they shouldn't nerf vehicles unnessiarily (like not giving this it's apfsds rounds) especially when it drops it into another era.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

@@matthiuskoenig3378they wanted to fill a gap in tech trees, also, if this had apfsds and he-vt what br would it be? 8.0? 9.0? There would be no point in adding this tank. Gaijin can just add a new version of this tank with apfsds and he-vt

[@Thekilleroftanks]

@@airsoftpopcorn well we havent had a tank with hevt below 8.0, and its a single 40mm bofor with exposed crewmember, so with just he-vt maybe 7.0ish? but with apfsds? any sort of balance is thrown out the window.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

@@Thekilleroftanks the problem with that if you give it he-vt, everyone will complain that it didn’t also get apfsds

[@Thekilleroftanks]

@@airsoftpopcorn yup, its either gonna be okish at 5.0-5.3, fine with hevt at 7.0 but people will bitch about either option, or completely useless if it got hevt and darts.

[@danielkaiselgruber1750]

Maybe instead of placing it so low in BR they couldve just given it the actual APFSDS rounds it fired and placed it at the proper BR. But that sounds way too complicated

[@HillbillyGiordano05791]

Just finished my marching band championship and we got 4th out of 5 bands

[@Sir_Cactus]

You killed me!

[@dehaka1175]

I was playing with a guy that was using this at 8.0 and he could wreck the enemy team if he got a proper flank

[@pauldockins9635]

A strange beast, but fun to watch

[@cyclegang5302]

just perfect

[@advorak8529]

An Independent AA … The Independent was such a successful tank!

[@spencerlenz5050]

they should give this and the m42 proximity fuse rounds and make them 7.0

[@GelatinCoffee]

when did bo become "safteyinstructor#2"? i thought he was just saftey instructor

[@CaptainGrief66]

This thing should be 7.3 with HE-VT, there's a ton of WWII and cold war AAs to add to the Italians, include R3 chassis with a targeting radar and 20mm hispanos, Italy could also get more ATGM-Only vehicles

[@The.accurate.angels]

1:16 I am the Lorax I speak for the trees But for some fucking reason They speak Vietnamese.

[@PolarPenguin526]

It was NASA Rover for me :)) LMAO!!!!

[@tkharris10]

BAE Systems still makes this gun today. Who would have thought?

[@BlueManaBanana]

So my first reaction was... well it seems kinda similar to the Crusader AA MK I... you know... Tank hull plus Bofors 40mm turret. But that's where the similarities end... Sure the Crusader AA MK I sits at a BR of 3.0 as opposed to the 5.0 of the Leopard 40/70, but still.... 72mm of penetration (at 10m/90° Angle) vs 93mm, 28°/s turret rotation vs 50°/s... also the differences in mobility, agility and so on. I guess my first reaction was pretty wrong.

[@airsoftpopcorn]

This has basically the same gun as the 4.3 swedish and french 40mm aa

[@craigpaul623]

​@@airsoftpopcornneither of them should be at 4.3 either though

[@Thekilleroftanks]

@@craigpaul623 am guessing you havent played the swedish one then. that thing is quite shit at everything. doesnt half the good belt as the french and only got like 18 mags for reserve (which only last about 1 minute or so) and exposed crew members.

[@craigpaul623]

@@Thekilleroftanks no, I have not. You prove my point though. If it is that bad, just leave it out of the game

[@Spuun_]

Such a tiny gun for such a swole chassis. But I guess that's how it works, sometimes...

[@charleslaughton203]

Second interaction for the algorithm.

[@ReallyBillyBoggs]

yeah this thing could happily go up in br tbh i mean it faces 5.3s and destroys them in one shot last night i got killed by one in my t1e1 in one shot and i was turned around is style the round went straight through the engine and everything ...its not just this aa either s few other vehicles are weirdly facing things that stand no chance...the aa could go up to 7. br range in my opinion.

[@xtlegacy1020]

Is it just me or does the 40mm seem to pen panthers more easily than the 75 or 76 shermans?

[@cyclegang5302]

nice one mate

[@trailmixup8843]

Obviously War Thunder isn’t a sim or anything but I really don’t like this thing being at 5.0. The fact that it can get into a downtier with stuff like an M4A2 is insane.

[@iMoD190]

it's less of a time gap than many of the vehicles in higher tiers.

[@craigpaul623]

​@@iMoD190what tanks at high tiers have a 45+-year time gap? Because that is what we have here

[@iMoD190]

@@craigpaul623 it's largely Russian shit. like the 2S38 (2022) at 10.0 vs the XM-803 (1971) at 9.0. or the 2S25 Sprut (2001) at 9.3 vs the T95E1 (1956) at 8.3. the Leopard 40/70 might have been conceived in the 90s, but everything about it is 50s tech, so the gap isn't as great as it seems.

[@craigpaul623]

@@iMoD190 only the gun is 50's tech, and has been significantly upgraded since then. The chassis is a blasted Leopard. I wasn't aware of those two examples. I still think it would be better to leave out things that can't be balanced within their appropriate era than squish them into somewhere else.

[@iMoD190]

@@craigpaul623 the Leopard is the 50s tech. it started development in the late 50s and entered service in 1965. the gun is just a Bofors 40/70 from the late 40s.

[@TKHarris1967]

"I got the plane", followed by "I hit the antenna". 😞

[@Mr.ImmaBot-su1fh]

Can you do another video on the M46 Patton?

[@BenH124]

If this tank were in the American tree it would be at least 6.7

[@caitlin7233]

I know it's like 2 am but can you please do the event

[@spindash64]

I REALLY don’t like Time Travel Battle Ratings. It’s a moot point ever since they axed any pretense of historical factions, but still

[@actualbrad]

What kind of dino chicken nuggie was that?

[@ODST_Parker]

I cannot believe this abomination was added before the actual Leopard 1A2 for Italy. Come to think of if, the Italian Leopard 1A5 is still incorrectly modeled, because the Italians mounted 1A5 turrets on modified 1A2 hulls, whereas Gaijin's is literally a copy/paste with a laser warning system and different decals. I also hate the permanent decals, because they're blurry as hell and can't be placed over.

[@cristinmarposon]

Make a video on the m1o9 please

[@FghCghjj]

Love you bow

[@tallleprechaun1318]

What was the madness causing all of the flipped vehicles in the beginning

[@th0r945]

They may or may not have jumped off of a cliff

[@tallleprechaun1318]

@@th0r945oh, so they were just training for the paratanks division

[@thetankcommander3838]

*Begin Transmission* Day 119. Recovery day 14. The recovery period is nearly at an end, but I don’t feel any better really. But at least I get to laugh at something - which bear in mind, hurts every time I chuckle. I look at this vehicle and immediately get Nimrod vibes from the Royal Hungarian Army 😂😂😂😂😂. But I still have better vibes with the T26E4 Super Pershing. Hopefully, these videos can keep my sense of humor intact by the time Bo actually sees these messages 😅😅😅. *End Transmission*

[@Osca3007]

Cold war era tank in ww2???? Nice

[@Sh-epard]

I still prefer the L-62 ANTI just for the SAPHEI belt...and being Tier 3 at 2.7😆 I have to grind this out, but every single barrel 40mm (even with 240 rpm) are a no-go for me even as tank destroyer. The experience with AMX-13 DCA was enough miserable...

[@adamg7984]

The L-62 is one of the worst balanced and most unrealistic vehicles in the game simply due to the performance of that APHE. No 40mm SAP-HE is as lethal to a tank as they make it in the game. Gaijin just can't model proper APHE behavior and makes some of the worst balancing decisions I have ever seen in my entire life.

[@lordhickory3322]

You guys should play the Strv m/42 EH again… I know you already played it, but that was years ago. That thing is awesome tho, its 75mil APHE slaps like few things at that BR, and it even has some armour and mobility. I‘d love to see a video on that!

[@airsoftpopcorn]

I hate how people want a cut off between ww2 and cold war vehicles, vehicles should be balanced off capabilities and performance and not year they were built. There are tons of vehicles that basically perform like ww2 tanks but were built in the 50s or 60s. It makes far more sense just to have tanks be at a similar br to other tanks that perform similarly to them. Do you really think that the concept 3 and pbv 301 should be 8.0?

[@craigpaul623]

Hard cutoffs, no, but seriously out of their era, then, well, if that is what it would take to make them era appropriate, yes. If they would then be useless, then don't add them to the game. This is literally the definition of power creep.

[@Thekilleroftanks]

@@craigpaul623 ahh yes power creep. *looks at the udder inbalance the asu85 adds to the game* the horror~

[@craigpaul623]

@@Thekilleroftanks auto correct caught you there. The word you meant was utter, not udder. You have a good point in that case, though I would argue that is an exception

[@Pahang.bend17]

​@@craigpaul623guys look at this specific niche, lets change the whole game for it, op probably

[@ripkid2569]

what was happening at the start

[@tallleprechaun1318]

How is that vehicle faster than an r3?

[@danielcooney5718]

What br is it even at

[@tyrannicswinen117]

I mean this vehicle works the same as the AMX-13 DCA and the Lvkv 42 and they are the same br yet nobody whines about them

[@nikoclesceri2267]

Correction the AMX and LKV are actually lower in BR at 4.3

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Because those are not as immersion breaking, and it's would be easy to justify upteiring this by giving it it's hisotical apfsds that gaijin didn't add in order to justify giving it such a low BR. I

[@airsoftpopcorn]

@@matthiuskoenig3378they want to fill a gap in aa. Do you think they should just have not added this into the game?

[@craigpaul623]

​​@@airsoftpopcornIf there isn't an actual era-appropriate vehicle, then just leave the gap. It isn't Gaijin's fault that all militaries didn't produce/procure enough vehicles to make full tech trees for every nation. In my opinion, this is as bad as World of Tanks adding fictional designs to fill in gaps. It feeds the power creep, which will kill the game eventually

[@JamesJames-j7y]

5:24

[@mohammadshehada267]

We have R3T20 from 80s/90s fighting WW2 vehicles now this ? What is the problem with time travel vehicles specially with Italy 😂😂

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

It's gaijn nerfing being weird about the italian aa line. The R3 T20 is a recce vehicle, but they shoehorned it into spaa and nerfed it to justify not upteiring it further. This thing they denied it it's apfsds round for some reason, so now it's just a slightly better 4.3/4.7 vehicle, hence 5.0.