Leroy Hoard is OUT on Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson ever being a good NFL player again

[@michaelroelant7134]

I´m a belgian browns fan and this season may end fast..greetings yall

[@_HMCB_]

Wow. Greetings from Ohio!

[@wwz1011]

Wow, Leroy nailed it. And look at Flacco for a minute. He had the same OL problems as we are having this year. But he didn't get all the sacks. Why? Because he was getting the ball out quickly. That isn't Deshaun's game.

[@JUDALATION]

Same Oline? The oline is destroyed this year... stop the cap!

[@PietchTheory]

@@JUDALATION Who are you missing on the line?

[@runningbeard7380]

Something has to give... either you get rid of the ball in 2 seconds (as Baker does), or you use your feet to extend plays... he doesn't seem capable of the first, and doesn't seem willing on the second point.

[@bjmartin1215]

LOL what the hell was Leroy Hoard talking about when they asked him about the "move or rust" comment? Wow 😂

[@gerrigatlin7098]

DW4 has checked out me mentally. He should have a reality check with himself and say self, I just can’t play at a high caliber level like I used to.

[@pjulianmora1286]

How MANY passes did Cooper drop this season?!? They were thrown right in to his numbers or within reach of a catch that should have been made? Not just on DW#4- facts! js

[@runningbeard7380]

10 to be precise... and based on your logic, Amari will continue to struggle in Buffalo, since DW4 threw "right into his numbers". But I'm going out on a limb and say that Amari will lose the drops and gain a 1000 yards again, to help the Bills to the playoffs. Meanwhile, drops will continue in Cleveland. Why? Because "DW4" is SLOW. Slow to think and process plays... SLOW to move... SLOW to evade the pass rush... SLOW to make decisions with the ball. Most of his throws are at (or behind) the line of scrimmage... he's not looking downfield. So while receivers are running their routes, DW4 has his head down and is dancing behind the line. When Watson DOES get the ball off, it's off-target... 45% of his passes to Amari were off-target. It's a BAD OFFENSIVE SCHEME, and Kevin Stefanski is a BAD QB COACH. If Watson was willing to use his feet... now with Chubb back, they could run the ball 40 times a game and possibly avoid losing the next month. So you're right, it's not all on Watson, it's bad coaching too... but Watson is a TERRIBLE leader, NOT accountable, who just wants to go back on vacation in Saudi Arabia to build his harem.

[@deshawnnance4343]

​@runningbeard7380 u care way too much 😅

[@FeloniouzMonk]

They're acting like they traded Cooper from last year. He was not the same player this year. He's never dropped as many passes

[@BeanieDoggerson]

Some of you have the memory of a fly .... seriously its pathetic

[@otisyoungblood]

Cause he didn't want to be here, he basically gave up on the Browns. I dont think within a few months he forgot how to catch Lol only Browns fans

[@kidlightning1736]

I get why they had to part ways with coop but its not like the other receivers gonna do any better...LMAO

[@kimblandino]

Go watch his 2016 season in Oakland.

[@wyatt8457]

He lead the nfl in drops last season.

[@ericjencson9489]

This isn't Stefanski's offense. Last years offense was Stefanski's offense.

[@jim6070]

Always was a big fan of Leroy Hoard. Only decent person to ever come out of that university.

[@charlesyoung2443]

These clowns will not let Leroy talk without talking over him shut up and let him talk Jesus🤦‍♂️

[@keithgreer462]

Heres a fun fact for you... Every QB in the Stefanski era have failed in this shotgun based offense. Flacco succeeded but it wasnt in this shotgun offense. He ran a play action based game. And look Flacco is gone.

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Her is anouther fun fact for you. The NFL was crated in 1922 and merged with the AFL in 1970. Over the last 3 years DeShawn waston has statically been the 8th worst QB in the 120 year history of the NFL .

[@hunterwinegar9627]

@keithgreer462 you must be loving this season then, since this is the 1st season the browns actually look like what they did every year before stefanski besides the 2 years they got over 7 years since 1999.

[@markfolino6976]

Leroy Hoard was a great player thats all i know im a Browns fan since 1956! Thats 1956 this year the browns stink

[@mattmavin8]

Leroy is phenomenal. Love listening to him

[@fannybuster]

He was a rumblin and a fumblin, and did 30 days

[@tomshed6302]

I F-ING LOVE WHEN LEROYS ON!! WHY YOU ASK? HES ABLE TO SHUT BULLS MOUTH FOR A LONG TIME.. 🍻 LEROY 🙏

[@justinmelendez3760]

I keep telling people. This is Watson, hes always held the ball, taken sacks, and had bad running games.

[@tmoneyfotwenty]

Dw4 1st in sacks taken in '18. 1st in '19. 3rd in '20. He's had the same problems his entire career

[@runningbeard7380]

Russell Wilson always took way too many sacks with an average of 48 per 17 games... but Deshaun Watson's whopping 57 sacks per 17 games is ridiculous.

[@mlucasGrindstone]

They haven't tried calling P Diddy

[@ironeagle5955]

Watson may already be on the Diddy tapes. That would void his contract. Let's see those tapes!

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Over the last three years DeShawn Watson has statisticaly been the 8th worst QB in NFL history. NFL was founded in 1922 and merged with the AFL in 1970 . In 102 years only 7 QB's have been worse than Watson.

[@Fredmayothegreat]

They got it to him. He leads the league in Drops! The Browns were trying to trade Cooper in the off season.

[@butterknuckles1326]

BAKER MAYFIELD

[@JUDALATION]

on a much better team than the Browns...

[@PietchTheory]

@@JUDALATION That's not what ya'll said coming into this season!

[@clevelandcbi]

​@@PietchTheoryThe team every "expert" had falling off a cliff after 8-9 under Brady. Now they're suddenly stacked lol.

[@ness4501]

I hope they don’t pay Leroy. Jays contract is the DW4 contract of UCSS

[@generalposter4792]

I think it's more than timing. Seems more simple. You either see the field and know where everyone is at, or you cant read Defenses and have no idea. Seems the latter for DW. Flacco learned the offense in 2 weeks.

[@neiltonkli]

So glad this show has bull to ramble about Joe burrow every episode

[@tomshed6302]

Facts!!! Lmao..

[@robertbelar5341]

Browns have a history of picking QBs.

[@Laxalis77]

💯 absolutely agree with Leroy about DW, he’s lost confidence, mechanics, accuracy and trust, every single game he can’t clicking on his performance and not being on the same page receivers and O-line, he’s never gotta be the same DW and be greater qb anymore

[@SpeakingGiraffe]

Watson isn’t “seeing” because it’s easier to go 3 and out. Why do your job and risk getting hurt when you can go 3 and out and save your health and collect in full.

[@twannevans1]

The problem isn’t WRs and TEs not getting open… The problem is DW4 reading the play correctly and won’t pull the trigger or throws an inaccurate pass… Or, he’s predetermined where he’s going with the ball which results in his eyes being in the wrong place which result in him not seeing the open player on the other side of the field … So, no Nick Chubb isn’t going to be Batman and save the day… Unless, Stefanski goes back to his roots and run his original offense!

[@jackhoyle4743]

Dumb as a rock. Listen to him. Watch his inability to read and adjust. Previous coaches covered his defects. Can't fix stupid, so one sticks with it.

[@runningbeard7380]

Ever been in a bad relationship, but you were faithfully committed to it? Eventually, it ends badly... and not long after you couldn't be happier cuz you realize what a hot mess that was and you're glad to be free? That's exactly what it feels like to be a Browns fan, and that is why I divorced the Browns in 2022, and became a happy Bucs fan in 2023... and now, the team is a stranger to me and I'm glad. Someday, once Watson is LONG GONE, I may start being a fan again, but the Browns have to earn my fandom.

[@Number007]

I love how they make excuses for every other teams, crappy quarterback, but completely going on Watson trying to destroy him saying he’s useless

[@GoingNutsinTX]

Nick Chubb running behind that offensive line will be back on IR.

[@clevelandcbi]

Disagree. He made our line look 10x better than it was. Carlos Hyde barely got 3 ypc Chubb's rookie year. Kareem Hunt was 1.1 ypc worse than Chubb. Chubb isn't human. He'll get 5+ behind cheerleaders lol.

[@Saidakine]

I think the shoulder injury is more significant than they are letting on. He is hesitant to throw the ball or can’t throw it .

[@JDeubel]

Also I just read that Watson is criticizing Cooper, saying that he wasn't trying a 100% for him. Like he did for Flacco. I'm looking for this if this is true. I can't wait for everybody. Jump in way, Watson, shit!

[@JUDALATION]

Watson does not have to be elite to win with the Browns... he just has to be AVERAGE and give the Defense time to rest and win games JUST LIKE THE STEELERS... Also, considering the offense around him he is NOT the worst QB in the NFL...

[@fugaz03]

Move or rust was a message to his veteran ex teammates thts looking for a 🏆 signaling it's rebuild time

[@mijwil]

Move or rust..... Pretty simple. If I stay here I'm rusting. Who could possibly argue that. Watch ANY WR - that starts to feel hopeless. They can't get the ball to me. The drops start. The disconnect starts. Copper is better than he was this year. Everyone will see it with him at the Bills. He's going to be last years version. The reality is the Browns aren't last years version and neither was he.

[@chefahi1299]

Economics is less about monetary and fiscal policy. It’s about incentives. It’s human nature, and sports are no different. Massage Watson is disincentivized from working hard. He quit. Take the money and ride off into the sunset.

[@josephboyce4522]

Watson is on pace to have over 80 sacks this year. Yikes!

[@nsd_respect]

Leroy Bickerstaff😂

[@chrisc3118]

Is there anyone besides Mary Kay Cabot who still believes in Massage Watson???

[@SquidVet]

Stop with 265 yd game against Houston’s backup defense. ffs…

[@otisyoungblood]

You mean against and NFL defense if you think he not gonna ball out in Buffalo your in denial as a Browns fan this is why we have the worst fan base in American sports ppl like you

[@AKhan.28]

What about Leroy Bickerstaff?

[@anti-validation]

JT O'Sullivan? QB school?

[@NicoleMosley-rf9en]

But does that mean that is a coaching problem should there be ... where is the QB coach??

[@tommyestepp2497]

Brown’s are the top FarmTeam of the NFL!!!

[@robertbelar5341]

They passed on Ben for a TE 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@HOOPSnCATS]

Leroy, I wanted to hear what you were saying and I thank you for coming on the show, but you kept getting cut off so much by Jay. I couldn't watch it because I was trying to hear what you were saying, but you were being talked over. Sorry.

[@henrywallacesghost5883]

I think Watson is out on #4 right now😂

[@raymondspeaks5000]

How come nobody is taking the second half from last game and using that as a comparison? It's like they are intentionally avoiding it. ummmmmmmmm

[@roddywhittemore493]

They did talk about it

[@RobertBoydston-l5z]

If you don't want to play or show effort get out of town (You ain't gotta go home but you can't stay here🎉

[@bbmartin7055]

Stefanski doesn't deserve a pass! He loses when it counts year after year, regardless of who's playing QB!!!! Depodesta and Berry suck at their jobs too

[@roderickwilson2819]

Listen boys you should have kept flacco end of story

[@scbaillie911]

The amount of gaslighting the Browns are doing with the fanbase is crazy. Do they not understand how hostile that stadium is gonna be when Deshaun plays like garbage?

[@BeanieDoggerson]

Jimmy thinks we are all sheep and he's a shepard... not matter he does. I hope the stadium is empty the next few weeks.

[@keithgreer462]

Hey Leroy Hoard name one QB in the Stefanski era that succeeded in Stefanskis shotgun based offense,? And dont say Flacco because he did not run this Stefanski shotgun. He ran a play action pass offense. Btw to Say Amari cooper is good proves you slipping. Amari Cooperz history in the nfl is to play good at home and dissappear on the road. Thatd a good #1 WR?

[@RodneyHarris-oj8uz]

They are going to get Nick hurt again

[@James-e3m4x]

I didn’t take anything from Coops saying what he said he wanted a fresh start I don’t think there was any underlying message. I don’t think Baker thinks much about Cleveland he’s not playing well out of revenge neither will Cooper at least I hope not I don’t think you can if you want success.

[@arcanum6685]

I have already waved the white flag. Probably will have to every year till this horrible quarterback is gone 🥲

[@douglasernst3559]

Baltimore the real browns is going to the SB

[@thekiddsean33026]

Getting rid of Amari is going to help Watson will play better with Chubb coming back

[@amkrajc]

I have to disagree. I've seen where wideouts made qbs worst, but this isn't one of them. I can definitely make the argument that Watson made Cooper worst. He's made everyone worst around him. Nobody wants to play for him.

[@thekiddsean33026]

@@amkrajc whatever

[@malikwilson7387]

​@@thekiddsean33026I agree

[@midnightwriter9658]

... delusional ....

[@thekiddsean33026]

@@malikwilson7387 facts bro

[@JDeubel]

I said it when they first hired Andrew. Barry, that he's gonna be a shit. General manager and I said, Watson is going to be a shit quarterback, and they're gonna ruin the Browns and I got an argument after argument. Well, those who called me the most names. I'm reposting this shit. And I'm tagging your names, and I'm gonna see what you have to say now. I hate to say it, but told you so.

[@keithgreer462]

Stefanski will not run Nick Chubb. You guys are all delusional about Stefanski. We seen this already when chubb was 100 percent healthy. Stefanski treats Chubb like Chubb slept with his wife. He does not run Chubb and its Shotgun baby !!!!

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Paul Depodesta his initiated full moneyball mode again ! Their playing Watson to intentionally tank ! Haslam and Depodesta don't care about the fans , the players or they city of Cleveland ! Chubb is next he coukd have already come back but thier waiting on a injury and a team to come calling. Garrett , Ward everyone is on the chopping block !

[@HologramSashi]

Participation Trophy!!!!

[@tykalb5155]

Imagine adam the bull how he is forced to start at qb in the nfl due to talking shit mans would get flattened 1st play out there,id pay for it lmao

[@thacryinggame]

Imagine jimmy haslam (your daddy) not being a loser

[@tykalb5155]

Imagine me ( your daddy) even mentioning jimmy 😂😂​@@thacryinggame

[@KickdoeBrand00]

Leroy been watching raising kanan talm bout the streets need a body

[@aaronbutler9373]

Lamar Jackson is best Quarterback in NFL.

[@popeye7782]

leroy is trash. dei hire

[@thefonzies6895]

Did DW snap that ball early that was Nick Harris. Did DW false twice in the red zone. Did DW give up 6 sacks a game we can't even pick up basic blitz. And Jerome Ford is terrible. I can't just blame the QB. He's not been perfect but this team ain't helping either. I saw Jamis Winston yelling at Dewand Jones had he blocked 1 of the guys on the edge ez TD pass to Cooper. Your on pace to give up 90 sacks in a season. You think flacco could be effective behind this beat up o line 😂😂😂😂

[@anti-validation]

Sad question: Is Deshaun statistically the worst Browns QB in the history of the franchise?

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Probably. He is the 8th worst QB of all time in the NFL .

[@thefonzies6895]

Either style can be shutdown pocket passers if you gotta do line that can get pressure with 4 you can shut down pocket passers too. A good secondary and line Houston showed you that. Your not gonna win in this league not being able to run the ball. Your not gonna win I this league with penalties in red zone.

[@chchchahahah]

Deshaun Watson is 🗑️

[@bbmartin7055]

So are Depodesta, Berry, and Stefanski

[@JUDALATION]

You are saying that Watson is WORSE than Titans QB Will Levis? W9orse than Eagles QB Jalen Hurtz? Worse than Giants QB Danny Jones? STOP THE CAP! He is playing with NO WRs because Cooper QUIT and dropped balls till he got out of there... He has NO RUN GAME, NO OLINE, AND NO TE for most of the year... Lets wait till the Oline gets healthy and THEN change QBs... Wilson is less mobile and last time he played he had 2 TURNOVERS... This fanbase is very irrational and just haters at this point! Look at all the chances they gave to Danial Jones/ Jags QB Trevor Laurance...

[@RodneyHarris-oj8uz]

He sucks

[@keithgreer462]

First off Lerory hoard aint a QB. Secind of all Leroy show us the tape where wr are opren not just your flapping gums. Was Watson under pressure? We dont know we just have to depend on Hoards ooinion. A former RB.

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Seriously . Week 1 QB confidential. Kurt Warner ! 4 time prowbowl QB with 4 superbowl appearances and a superbowl win showed the tape . Week 5 Quincy Carrier showed the tape . Dan Orvloski showed the tape . ESPN showed the tape .Look them up and educate yourself. Or get the all 22 and watch for yourself be for your get on here flapping your gums with no knowledge of what your talking about .

[@keithgreer462]

@@jasoncampbell5518 let me repeat the fact . Lol every QB in the Stefanski era as failed in his whack shotgun heavy offense. Flacco is the only QB who has succeeded in Stefanskis offense but it wasn't Stefanskis shotgun. Flacco ram his play action offense he ran his whole career. The verdict is out! Stefanskis version of a shotgun heavy offense is a QB killer. But all you casual fans want to blame Watson?????

[@charlesyoung2443]

Watson can’t read a fucking a defense it’s so obvious he relied on his athleticism now he’s lost a step he can’t bail himself out like he could when he was in Houston This is all on the fuckhead owner and his cronies in the front office this analytics shit needs to go it’s not working and has never worked all it amounts to is putting garbage on the field every season Haslem should do all the fans justice and sell the fucking team but he won’t because he’s a snake and will never admit this was all on him 3 first round picks and 230 million guaranteed 🤦‍♂️what a fucking moron 💯

[@jasoncampbell5518]

Watson is the 8th worst QB in the 102 year history on the NFL. You are not blaming Stafanski's offence for that. 20 + plays a game with wide open receivers standing their and Watson doesn't throw the ball !

[@keithgreer462]

@@jasoncampbell5518 Lol you guys keep saying WR are open and he not throwing them the ball but you give no context when you just say that. I watched the films and the only guys I see open are short patterns when we need many yards. All QB miss passes and open WR. He was sacked 15 times the last two games plus hit after passing and while running. You might miss a wr here and there too under those conditions. Listen I don't want to defend Watsons poor play. He just may be a terrible QB. But this is what I see. When Stefanski arrived HE WAs KNOWN AS A RUNNING OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!!!!! Sorry for screaming lol. His first few years in Cleveland he ran the ball and he succeeded with CHUbb and the defense and a good but not great QB play. He still did stupid things like he still does today like use dumb time outs, call stupid plays like trick plays at terrible times of the game. But we won despite him. Then he changed. He became a shotgun almost every down throwing with BAker. Of course Baker failed. He stopped running Chubb and started passing out this shotgun all the time. Ever since then no Quarterback has succeeded with this pass heavy shotgun based offense. So when Watson arrived I still said I'm worried about this coach. But I was certain with Chubbs running and Watsons legs we will be a powerful play action offense and the defensed won't know if it's a run or pass But nope we still got Stefanskis lame version of a shotgun offense that every QB has failed in. Flacco arrives and now we run play action because if Flacco tall 6'6 butt runs this shotgun based offense he's getting killed. And this is where we are today. We don't have Randy moss, Welker and Edelman he can't run shotgun all the time. Especially his whack version. No QB has succeeded in this shotgun offense Even Flacco said I can't do it give me play action offense. So in my opinion we won't know how good Watson is until he gets a real offense and a real coach.