Leslie Knudson On Dating Ted Bundy (2020)

A recent phone interview (February 2019) with Leslie Knudson a former high school teacher in Salt Lake City who dated Ted Bundy briefly. A brief phone call with her friend, roommate and girl who introduced her to Bundy as well.. Enjoy, and thank you Leslie and Carole and Tiffany Jean for the phone #s

[@jameskennedy4377]

As usual, fascinating information. I can't imagine there has ever been anyone more adept at compartmentalization than Ted Bundy. Not only can he juggle all these people in the air at once, he juggles a different version of himself to pair with each person.

[@CaptainBorax]

Thats it. Amazing amount of energy he must have had to keep that face up

[@jameskennedy4377]

@@CaptainBorax Yep. The mask of insanity is exhausting, especially when you have to keep changing it for each and every interaction. I think the only time Bundy was was not wearing his mask was when he had a victim in his grasp/control. The thrill he felt when he unleashed the real Ted must have been accompanied by that huge sense of (temporary) relief that always comes with letting go of pretenses and just being yourself.

[@CaptainBorax]

@@jameskennedy4377 Spot on how it must have been. I can act differently in the sense, I can behave well at work, certain company, but I am not changing who I am. Every person I have spoke with didn't know of the others during his Utah time, and they all played different parts: Girlfriends, party friends, Church people, Law school folks

[@jameskennedy4377]

@@CaptainBorax Bundy was in sociopathic heaven in Utah - a new campus ripe with "fresh" victims, plenty of unsuspecting people to manipulate, no police investigation looking for "Ted" with a VW and nothing and no one really holding him back.

[@fizzao1342]

Captain Borax Didn’t he say later that he didn’t have the energy for law school? It was probably juggling all the different women, situations and trolling.

[@larryrobertson2150]

She puts more emphasis on being stood up than the fact that he was a notorious serial killer. I'm glad she got out alive.

[@82566]

No kidding 😆😒 hope she appreciates that fact now

[@NickNicometi]

The narcissism of woman.

[@dsoule4902]

He didn't neutralize ppl he knew

[@georgereed5266]

@@dsoule4902depends what you mean by “knew”. Apparently he met Susan rancourt as a friend of a friend a few weeks before.

[@pip7967]

yall can sense alittle humor?

[@glengamble526]

For everyone asking Borax to get ‘subtitles’-just click the CC (closed captions) button and they will appear. Also, earphones help for clarity. Especially the in-ear type. Trust me, I’m severely hearing impaired and these methods work for me. Great work, Capt.!

[@CaptainBorax]

Thanks for the clarification brudder! Good idea

[@CaptainBorax]

Also guys, I plasyed around with my settings here on YT, and the subtitles should be better now if everyone follows the sequence that Glen Gamble mentioned. Thanks Glen

[@CaptainBorax]

@Blah blah blah I do too, but whatever I can do to help

[@EmunahFL]

CC doesn't work.

[@glengamble526]

@@EmunahFL yes it does…I just tried it now. Works great.

[@NickNicometi]

I understand 1/10 of what this lady speaks. Sounds like the adults in Peanuts cartoons.

[@Flerg3]

this woman can cure insomnia

[@Romulan2469]

Her voice is annoying.

[@Alzrad]

Doooode!! Right!’? I don’t think she’s the sharpest tool in the shed either

[@patriciacourtier-rouse1173]

Lol!

[@wulfsorenson8859]

@@patriciacourtier-rouse1173no wonder bundy stood her up. Even he got bored shitless…

[@Romulan2469]

@@wulfsorenson8859 That's harsh lol!

[@FitnessForLife-GetRipped-cf4wb]

Great channel and I’m very happy to see its growth in popularity over the time I’ve been viewing! Keep up the excellent work! 👍👍👍

[@CaptainBorax]

@@FitnessForLife-GetRipped-cf4wb thank you for that! Will do, I need to post more

[@FitnessForLife-GetRipped-cf4wb]

@@CaptainBorax I’m just rewatching the one with Bryan Severson when he bought Ted Bundy’s car! 👍👍 That’s a really interesting one! I was looking for it a while ago and couldn’t find it so glad to see it’s been reposted! I also recommended your channel to a friend of mine too and send her the Dan Lish interview link. Hope all is well and I’m enjoying watching your content. I’ve been meaning to catch up with your videos for a while, but I’ve been unbelievably busy, so it’s good to find the time to view your content! I’ll check out your latest videos soon too bro!

[@Catherine-yy5ut]

Wow thanks for the vid! It still baffles me how he found the time to juggle different girlfriends, prowl for victims, kill his victims, hide his victims, have various jobs, spend time with family, socialise with people and go to college! I can barely fit a few errands in my day as it is!

[@CaptainBorax]

Right? its insanity

[@carrie8541]

He was a busy bee. His life sure was compartementalized. That's very typical of psychopaths. Keep all segments of their secret life seperate.

[@juanitarichards1074]

Well, he never had a real job, not for long, and he hardly ever attended any of his college classes. His ex gf Liz helped him with rent, books, tuition etc, and early n their relationship he mostly lived at her place. He was a parasite.

[@glengamble526]

@@juanitarichards1074 yep-you hit the nail on the head. Stealing helped him fund things too. But mainly, the sociopath side of him knew how to manipulate those that loved and cared for him. This enabled him to meet his basic life needs and have time for murder and mayhem. Loans, gifts etc. He also had an older lady ‘patron’ who loaned him cash, cars, gave him gifts etc. Sociopaths are skilled at getting what they want from you-I have a ‘friend’ who is one and his movements remind me of Bundy, big time. I’m just glad my friend is non-violent.

[@glengamble526]

@@CaptainBorax literally.

[@nikkiroeder5774]

Captain Borax . You have an outstanding and wonderful video/ interview collection . Thanks so much for sharing your gift you so obviously have. 🤗

[@CaptainBorax]

Thanks Nikki, you're the best! More to come

[@nikkiroeder5774]

👏👏👏 Bring em ! 😸

[@snowflake1458]

Can someone please sump up what Leslie said about Ted. I can‘t understand anything.

[@theflyingguillotine3788]

She's jealous he didn't want too merc her

[@glengamble526]

Turn on CC for subtitles. It helps.

[@82566]

@@theflyingguillotine3788 lmao 🤣

[@jessicajurewicz204]

Yeah I think she's full of it, she sounds old and bitter.

[@rickyporter6450]

Finally, someone that can read people. Too many people talk about how normal he was. Every interviewer that speaks with him always comment how normal he seems... I would never trust these people's opinion. Thank you for being observant.

[@1193bobmcc]

I highly doubt this woman was very good at reading people. She seems to have let him go only because he slept on her floor. That's not the height of insightfulness.

[@boogiestreet594]

she thinks theres some special reason she wasn't killed. like he had something special for her. The same with his long term girlfriend. They were seen together. THATS ALL. If they weren't. SPLOT!!!! Dead

[@Elguapo93]

Or keeping a girlfriend would make him look somewhat normal

[@moviestarmemories630]

COOL! Thanx for posting this, got the FB notice.

[@brianmeen2158]

“ I can read a lot in peoples eyes” No you can’t.

[@suzan1mal]

The old footage is so cool! Captions would be great...really hard to understand what she’s saying.

[@Occupied_South]

I can hear her perfectly

[@saintetienne755]

Use the CC option on the vlog - it is captions

[@chloekit4861]

The fact that he was the guy who answered calls at a crisis center is baffling I wonder if anyone has come forward about ted bundy talking them off a ledge

[@elizabethkusce2718]

I wish Ted Bundy girlfriend who dumped him and he went nuts would come forward. She would be more interesting to talk to about him.

[@chilo8187]

I don’t blame her for wanting to move on and not talk about it…probably terrible memory

[@catmother4214]

Thank you for the video! Wish there were more being posted but realize there probably aren't many personal stories about Ted Bundy out there. ❇️❇️❇️

[@CaptainBorax]

Pretty slim pickings for sure

[@projectliberation1981]

Borax you gotta start putting subtitles brotha

[@CaptainBorax]

I hear you, its such a pita though.. I'll try, next one!

[@projectliberation1981]

@@CaptainBorax love the content nevertheless !

[@CaptainBorax]

@@projectliberation1981 Thanks mon frere, Im going to slam it all on here, every bit in the next 2 monthes, loads

[@CaptainBorax]

@@catmother4214 Oh yes, the professor? Pretty interesting actually

[@glengamble526]

Turn on CC (closed caption) -it does it for you.

[@moviestarmemories630]

I''ve heard Ted was a neat freak, like OCD.Has anyone else heard this?

[@CaptainBorax]

Oh yeah, complete spazzy, neat freak

[@jameskennedy4377]

Yes, you're right. Specifically, his apartment in Utah was described as very neat and orderly with clothes spaced evenly on the hangers in his closet and pairs of shoes precisely lined up and also evenly spaced.

[@sunnysmiles8211]

But it just doesn’t seem to fit with him wanting to have sex with decaying bodies, he was just such a terrible person

[@junglistnate]

I'm thinking his neat clothes/OCD etc and necrophilia to him would represent absolute control of his 'possessions'

[@glengamble526]

Hitler was as well. A common trait amongst psychopaths.

[@jerrymarbury9365]

Nice work capt.you do a good interview,could work on the audio a little,Im old deaf and have a crappy blue tooth speaker.ha ha

[@CaptainBorax]

I hear ya, god I hate playing with audio but I'll try lol

[@Sealust50]

This woman's voice is like listening to fingernails scraping down a chalkboard - OBNOXIOUS!

[@KTucker]

Interesting interview. Wish the sound was better. He needs more volume and she sounds like she is talking into box

[@briankennedy1192]

Of course he never lied to you!!! Hahaha. His name was T BUNDY.

[@danamaupin8318]

Thank you for this very interesting interview. I wonder what Ted wanted the sewing machine for and why he didn't return it?? I also didn't know Ted was a campus officer. Makes me really wonder if he wore the uniform to gain trust from some of the Utah victims such as Melissa Smith, Nancy Wilcox and Nancy Baird. I know Ted denied having anything to do with Nancy Baird but I have strong feelings he did.

[@CaptainBorax]

Carole was sYing he wanted to ad patches to his jeans, Which I could see him doing but it's so bizarre that he denied borrowing it.. Probly the kind of thing you remember loaning out especially back in those days

[@danamaupin8318]

@@CaptainBorax , There were parts of the interview I couldn't really understand what she was saying but it was still a very interesting interview. This is the first time I've ever heard her speak. Thanks so much

[@CaptainBorax]

@@danamaupin8318 I had her repeat a couple of things I know what you mean. I rarely do subtitles because they are really time consuming but maybe I need to start doing that. Thanks for being patient

[@danamaupin8318]

@@CaptainBorax , I truly appreciate all your hard work on this videos.

[@fizzao1342]

Captain Borax Ann Rule said he got a buzz stealing things and maybe not returning the sewing machine was an extension of it?

[@RobertWarner-p2f]

I understand her perfectly. Sounds like my mom

[@jamie9077]

Thanks for more insight and for the rare interviews you go out of your way to do. 😘 love you guys and for keeping the victim's of this psychos Spirits alive, not just the ones that are no longer here but the ones that are still here and alive.

[@CaptainBorax]

Thanks Jamie, I definitely have the best intentions with people although not everyone sees that! I appreciate it.

[@jamie9077]

I hate that people will say things that make you feel like you're doing something wrong when you're doing wonderful things. These people are not good people or have not have not taken any time to watch any length or series of videos that you put out. I mean really the Lynette Culver her the memorial that you guys raised funds for made me cry and was so special and helped the family with the closure they needed so badly and nobody ever talks about that case but you guys went out of your way to do something that you will truly be rewarded for that. Keep up the good work it is very meaningful. Always remember where there's good and you guys have a lot of good you're sharing on your Channel there is evil trying to test you and take it away. My father who passed away a few years back always said if you're doing something really good and something tries to intervene or put it down that means that the devil doesn't like it so he'll try and throw bad things your way something as stupid as a comment from some nobody. Which really is freaking awesome because like my Dad told me that means that what are doing is working and what you're doing is obviously Worth Fighting For. I hope your lives are going great you both deserve it. 💕😘💞🦋🙏 sending love to you both.

[@CaptainBorax]

@@jamie9077 Thanks so much, you too! Everything is good, just things have been pretty weird in the world, throwing me off balance a bit. But! all is well, good advice and thoughts I appreciate and know you are right

[@Romulan2469]

Wherever this guy's driving down that country road, I wouldn't want to be down there at night.

[@CaptainBorax]

Oh, thats the old backroad called Lambs Canyon, pretty erie up there. Just south of where they found Mellisa Smith.. Bundy prolly rolled through there looking for good spots to throw someone out of his VW.. For real, it would have been on his radar.. Look it up on Google Maps

[@Romulan2469]

@@CaptainBorax Interesting! Yes it looks very eerie, wouldn't want to be driving down there at night. Have you got any video footage of Taylor Mountain and the dump site for the skulls of the other victims?

[@robphilpott43]

This is one of the more disappointing vids on your very fine channel. This lady is not only very hard to understand, but sheds very little light on the Ted she knew. All she seems to say is that she could ‘see it in his eyes’, which is not interesting or illuminating in any way.

[@EmunahFL]

And she sounds like she's full of it.

[@lukewarme9121]

Odd that both Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy were both involved with politics, at one time. Ted the GOP and John the Democrats. Gacy is even in a photo with President Jimmy Carter’s wife, Rosalynn. I wonder if they were doing their political activites at about the same time period? Sometime in the 1970s?

[@helpyourcattodrive]

What are these background videos?

[@BlueKauai]

After listening to Ms. Knudson's experience with Ted Bundy...I'm really starting to consider the possibility that Ted had multiple personalities. Her account is a far cry from the infamous serial killer we all came to know so well. Glad she lived to tell the tale.

[@kyledamron]

Fascinating interview

[@regzzuse280]

Wow, missed this one.

[@AS-vq3wt]

She sounds just as crazy as bundy

[@bentramer1]

Wow I'm really glad he spared this gem

[@robertwinston2519]

Love that old 70s footage, and the old cars, that v w was interesting imagine seeing him walk out with a sling on,very fascinating interview , young bundy was a busy evil man

[@82566]

Lol this lady's voice sounds like my Aunt dripping sweet 🙉🥴 love the old pics

[@Romulan2469]

These are fascinating interviews Captain Borax. Have you got any more upcoming interviews on the Bundy case?

[@CaptainBorax]

Hey there, yes! I have one in the chute, getting it wrapped up.. I've just been supremely distracted. Many more coming. Thanks for hanging with my stuff

[@Romulan2469]

@@CaptainBorax That's awesome to hear! Just going through all the Bundy case files again and noticed you hadn't posted in a while. There are some interviews I really want to hear such as with Carol DaRonch, and also other Bundy attack survivors Kathy Kleiner, Karen Chandler and Karen Sparks, and then interviews with some of the defense and prosecutors from the FL trials like Margaret Good, Michael Minerva, Bob Haggard, and prosecutor Dan McKeever, if any of these are still around. Anyway, I want to say keep up the great work on your channel, you have captured some real gems with these never seen before interviews that none of the Bundy docs have managed to get.

[@CaptainBorax]

@Romulan2469 Right on, gracias! Well, I tried many times with Carol and she ghosted me always, I think she was under contract with certain production companies and couldnt talk. but I have Kathy Kleiner and Karen Sparks on here . Both were super cool and gracious to chat me up. I really love them, I mean they didn't have to talk to me a nobody and Kathy was a getting pretty well known by then. Karen gave me the first ever interview which is nuts to me! Those later attorneys are a helluva good idea, thanks for the reminder. I'll try to track them down. One thing about this story is that almost everyone I've spoken with has been 100% gracious and frank with me which I'm forever grateful for.

[@Romulan2469]

@@CaptainBorax I think that's what makes your channel so great CaptainBorax. Your interviews don't feel like interviews, it's a great conversation and so much fascinating trivia is coming out that we never knew about AND we get to see you driving to those locations so we can picture the setting, that's something we hardly ever see with a standard interview. I think the interview I keep going back to watch over again and again is with Bob Hayward (RIP) in the car, just absolutely fascinating stuff and then actually seeing him explain locations of what happened as well is so cool. I hope you eventually get that interview with Carol, hopefully she isn't under contract anymore. She has certainly done some recent interviews. I haven't seen any interviews anywhere with the attorneys from the Bundy FL trials which is kinda weird, apart from a very brief interview with Margaret Good on Bundy's personality. If you can get Margaret Good that would be great.

[@Romulan2469]

@@CaptainBorax Do you think Carol was looking for a payday? Not that I blame her of course because everyone has to make a living and everyone wants to know her Bundy story. It seems kinda weird to me that she would ghost you without explaining her contractual obligations which would prevent her from granting you an interview. Just my two cents.

[@EmunahFL]

I think she's full of crap when she says she could see it in his eyes that he was "definitely weird". So everyone else was fooled by him *except* her. Sure. I'm leery of anyone claiming a run-in with Ted Bundy. How much of it is just them making it up for the attention?

[@CaptainBorax]

She's real. Is in many of the old Salt Lake Sherrif's dpt files

[@Romulan2469]

@@CaptainBorax She's hard to listen to.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

What about Diane? Is she around?

[@HighlandHawkeye]

The audio on this is hard on the ears. Earbuds do not help but make this worse.. The subtitles starting at 9:00 fail during a great part of this conversation. Very frustrating. Transcript avail at all? Sounds like an awesome interview.

[@CaptainBorax]

@@HighlandHawkeye Everybody hates the audio on this one, I'll pull a transcript together

[@HighlandHawkeye]

@@CaptainBorax Thank you so much! She's got a great story, I appreciate you finding her and spending time asking great questions!

[@HighlandHawkeye]

@@CaptainBorax I still hit that like button. You're doing great work.

[@CaptainBorax]

@@HighlandHawkeye You bet! Shes an interesting piece of the puzzle the Bundy saga no doubt

[@HighlandHawkeye]

@@CaptainBorax How did you find her? This is incredible the amount of insight about him. It's more than I have ever heard. It's pretty incredible that this is 4 yrs ago and you still tend to your audience. Pretty impressive. Thanks again.

[@flauwegeit]

15:33 Crap .. A tan volkwagen bug ! .. Is it Ted ? We need to have a Ted Talk about that. What are the odds ! >< The exact same color too

[@darkstar2315]

By the way I love the content. I must admit I have morbid fascination with these weirdos. Keep it up friend. p.s I dont lie so no sweat. I wish you well.

[@CaptainBorax]

Will do! Landslide of stuff coming

[@darkstar2315]

@@CaptainBorax Look forward to it!

[@ValentinaStJohn]

This woman sounds drunk and has a poor recall of her life.

[@jessicapazo7718]

Probably when they would go to the parks, he wasn't so much looking for victims as he was casing the place, getting idea of how many people would be in the area, if it was a perfect isolated spot where he could dispose of his victims..like on Taylor Mountain.

[@CaptainBorax]

Exactly, totally scoping pickup places, and later by himself, up in the hills

[@boogiestreet594]

this pseudo nonsense "i can read in people's eyes" ffs. im surprised you didn't stop her and say come on man, keep on topic, tis isn't a seance

[@CaptainBorax]

I don't think she was trying to say anything other than his eyes seemed to show this weirdness. She wasn't trying to say She was telepathic or something

[@larakeller2478]

The saying "The Eyes Are The Windows To The Soul" doesn't exist for no reason.

[@robphilpott43]

I think those listening to the interview would be more interested in what Bundy said and did to creep her out during this brief relationship, rather than the old chestnut ‘I could see it in his eyes’.

[@glengamble526]

Bundy’s eyes are one of the biggest common denominators use to describe him. They were very expressive, unusually bright in colour and also turned (and I quote) ‘black’ when enraged. People also said he had a blank look in his eyes when went into ‘kill’ or ‘dark’ mode.

[@helpyourcattodrive]

Student loan document is dated 11/8/74

[@helpyourcattodrive]

This makes me want to make a time line ... he did the crime on November 8, arrested Aug 16 the following year, then arrested for good October 3, right?

[@agent-proofme7720]

Can you ask her how Charlie and the rest of the Peanuts gang are doing?

[@lillibet7432]

What’s so funny, lady?!

[@TBx46]

he choked leslie? maybe? never heard that before great video !!

[@larakeller2478]

Pathetic.

[@christyowens4185]

This lady mumbles, hard to hear her.

[@thisisme3238]

You escaped because Ted was looking for women with dark hair parted down the middle...you didn't fit the description!

[@Sealust50]

Naw, it's because he couldn't stand listening to her voice!

[@rosaliecowhey5868]

He probly sold the sewing machine

[@francaperotti5934]

She doesnt Seem to remember a lot about bundy if she did go out with him. She had a lucky escape but i wonder if some women saw him on the news or newspaper. She does go on about being stood up there are some women im sure wanted attention.

[@juanitarichards1074]

He had many girlfriends and cheated on his long term gf Liz all the time. I don't doubt Leslie's story. It sounds a lot like Liz's in her book about their relationship.

[@mademsdo]

@@juanitarichards1074true but according to his mother Liz was the “important” one

[@susie4246]

She sounds like she's making up stuff everyone wants to be famous now

[@RavnerRavner]

Are you talking to an adult in the charlie brown universe?

[@pacowoody]

The audio on this is terrible

[@Kalanioccc]

dude got 1500 disbursed to him on the same day he attempted to get carol daronch and kidnapped debra kent

[@CaptainBorax]

Back in 74 dollars. He was feeling strong

[@elaineoneill6645]

Hi every body people say my eyes go black when I'm angry or in a mood I dont know why anybody else get this thanks

[@flauwegeit]

24:09 Say Hi it's Ted passing by

[@phoenixarizona8441]

He wasn't arrested untill August 16, 1975 I believe

[@veezienhamoruhwande99]

He was a sick man

[@charlesjeffery1155]

I absolutely love Captain Borax's page, he's my type of guy, for as we share the same love for this s***, I am like obsessed with this kina s***, (and ID investigation, serial killers, forensic files, murder murder murder, but not in a sick type of way), and Bundy, is my absolute favorite serial killer, to research, and learn everything I can about,(maybe because I moved to seattle, when I was five, but was born in Chicago) second to John Wayne gacy, well I actually moved to Tacoma when I was five, and the same area and neighborhood as Bundy, a total life away, I moved there in 85, and when I was about 14 I moved to the suburbs of seattle, specifically Lynnwood and Edmonds, MLT area, but anything you want to know about this guy, (Bundy), this guy has the answer for you, (@Captin Borax) I honestly used to think you, that if anybody wants to know anything far as the crimes, in the right geography and time, they will have to pretty much get it from me, used to get so annoyed at false information, although it was done under the right circumstances, but I just figured nobody else really knew and studied this man, like I did, meaning as a regular Joe, of course people like Bob Keppel, and Roger Dunn, Kathy McChesney I think her last name might be McKinney, she was just a detective back again, she started working with Keppel and Roger, in Seattle on the "Ted" cases, and of course Bundy friend turned biographer, Annn Rule, and of course detective Nick Mackie, Bob Haward, Jerry Thompson, Mike Fisher, and Dect. Norm Chapman, Sheriff Ken Katsiris, FBI profiler Bill Magier, but again just your average Joe, is definitely Captain Borax

[@CaptainBorax]

Thanks Charles! Sounds like we have a similar set of interests. I have been laying low lately, caught up in my day job, but I have several new videos to throw out there soon,

[@patrickmccarron5059]

16:44 - He was hired as a security guard a month after his arrest? Sept. 15, 1975.

[@chloekit4861]

Nobody believed he was guilty and that was before the trial so he was presumed innocent he was out on bail

[@anipani9984]

Why shes laughing all the time. Is she drunking?

[@juanitarichards1074]

Its a self deprecating laugh.

[@Elguapo93]

When did she date him?

[@CaptainBorax]

summer of 75 until he was arrested. no one knew each other, Mormons, Leslie etc. Kept them seperate

[@donnaking7439]

@@CaptainBorax He had a GF ( Liz) at that time.

[@lenasimone1581]

@@donnaking7439 he had multiple

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@donnaking7439 He cheated on Liz all the time.

[@mademsdo]

@@lenasimone1581 true but according to his mother Liz was the “important” one

[@First.Last.99]

and u use a guys name :) lol

[@valb9963]

Shes drinking, how else would she be so nonchalant