Lessons From the Other Side (From WoW to FFXIV)

[@secondslate7158]

WoW's biggest trick is that it taught all of us that it doesn't matter if you're having fun, it doesn't matter if what you're doing in the moment is enjoyable; all that matters is the promise of the potential of 0.5 seconds of dopamine if a BiS item or mount drops. That's not to say those moments aren't fun, but it's morphed and jaded players to be purely focus on the outcome at the expense of the moment. We've been trained to be like this, IMO. It's hard to break out of it, but I'm truly glad I did.

[@edd_TV]

This comment is so real. You're so right. I think those feelings are valid too, but when it becomes the sole or primary focus, it makes it all feel so hollow. I can still remember when Light's Justice dropped from Prince Malchezaar in Karazhan and I went CRAZY. You've summed this up perfectly. Really well written comment.

[@limbytes]

True a majority of ppl play like that. But if you ever just want someone that plays just to play let me know lol I’ve got 1k hours in ARR alone and just started Heavensward and I still replay dungeons just for fun and to share the experience with players as a social thing and also I really enjoy just running through and replaying stuff. :P I’m helping a friend finish ARR as we speak and it’s like he just finished ultimate weapon and I was just enjoying driving him around, chilling in low level dungeons, teaching him the mechanics and even rerunning dungeons with to just get him the gear he needs. No issues, we wipe I’m like it’s alright just do it again or we can do it again later after some golden saucer lol but let me know! I love making new friends

[@KippoKupo]

nah. what wow taught us is fun isnt allowed if you cant parse.

[@Cellybeans]

My bf had such a hard time “de-WoWifying” his brain to enjoy things in ffxiv. One such effect was feeling like once he picked a main job he had to stick with it and leveling other jobs or getting gear for them is “just a distraction” or some such. One of the steps he did to overcome this was to unlock ALL the jobs and try them out on striking dummy just enough to set up hotbars. And ended up falling in love with SGE when he was convinced he was a DPS-only kinda guy. Now he’s comfortable as sge in savage blind prog and flexing roles for whatever we need in other content. It’s so freeing to just do what feels fun without the expectations of long term commitment!

[@edd_TV]

@@Cellybeans It's honestly like trying to break somebody's programming. WoW brain is such a real thing but once you're free of it, it's so incredibly liberating.

[@cr4sh212]

A few weeks ago I joined a DRK for a first clear of the final battle of the current raid tier, the DRK wanted it to be a first clear for all of the players, ppl who have cleared joined the PF for a moment and the DRK thought I would leave him and join the half party who had players who have cleared. I told him that I would clear eventually but did not care about when, and we stayed for about 2 hrs until the PF filled. We cleared in about the second to last pull of the lockdown. Before we disbanded the DRK did thank me for staying. At least, to me, a memorable moment needs to involve more than just me. I can enjoy myself playing solo, but with another that can be memorable.

[@edd_TV]

That's a touching story, thank you for sharing. I think you're right too. As iconic and memorable video games can be, bonds and friendships are so impactful!

[@jeanschyso]

I had a party a couple months back. I was doing Roulettes and landed on my first run of the last Ivalice raid. I'll always remember it as the day everyone was scarily nice to me. I skipped the cutscene and immediately was told by the WHOLE GROUP that I shouldn't have done that, they would have waited. I just told them I didn't want to be a bother and would just check it out in the book at the inn, but they were adamant and even a bit scary about how "You should watch the cutscene, we're going to wait, it's how this game works". It was very funny to me that I was trying to be considerate of 23 other people, and yet they were all willing to wait for lil' ol' me. It's like we were competing to see who was the nicest person around or something. One guy was calling for my head for skipping the cutscene, which I thought was very funny.

[@edd_TV]

Yeah stuff like that is really weird to me. Like the story is absolutely sacred, but I think what you said is perfectly fine. I laughed reading this because I feel the same as you do, you were trying to be polite and understanding and respectful of their time and you still come off looking like the bad guy. I think there are a lot of stories like that in FFXIV. "It's like we were competing to see who was the nicest person around or something." is SO true. Honestly, I believe it. When I first started the game I cutscene skipped EVERYTHING because I just wanted to see how different the game was compared to WoW. I'm so glad I went back and did everything and learned it properly though! Thank you for watching and sharing your experiences!

[@Cellybeans]

I always tell sprouts to enjoy cutscenes, they’re there for story if they’re long and if they’re short it’s just to hype you up for the boss fight about to happen. In the first case, people want you to enjoy the story as it’s a shared experience you can only do for the first time once. In the latter case, it’s only like 10 seconds so you might as well watch it so you get the full experience the devs intended. Other players are already being compensated for their time by game design due to the first timer bonus. Socially, you can “compensate” people for their time by sharing a comment or feelings invoked by the story. A sprout being excited about a story moment can and will absolutely make a veteran player’s day just by appreciating the story. Not obligated to comment of course but knowing that watching the cutscenes is in fact not a burden has let a lot of WoW refugees I know really enjoy the moment for the moment instead of worrying about being an inconvenience to other people when we’re all here to play the same game. It isn’t healthy to think of yourself as a burden to others just by being in the same virtual room.

[@StopAndDash]

All the content for casual players in FFXIV is what's kept me playing for so long. It's easy to chat with new people because, like you mentioned, stuff like greeting people in dungeons etc. is the norm. There are defo people who are OTT about how amazing FFXIV is and how nice its players are, but In general I've had a good experience. I haven't played much WoW, but one of my favourite online gaming moments is from it. When I was a kid my brother let me use his account, so I would run around exploring. I bumped into some RPers at Ironforge (had no clue what RP was at the time) and they chatted with me for a while and traded me stuff. It was one of my first online conversations with strangers, and thankfully it turned out to be a really positive one. I remember thinking how cool and nice they were, lol. Really good editing on this vid btw!

[@edd_TV]

Thank you for your kind words and thank you for sharing your experiences!

[@Nihonguy]

One of my favorite things about ff14 is that i can completely take it at my own pace, i started playing around late stormblood i was very used to not only mmos but most games in general wanting me to play through 100s of hours of content as fast as possible, then i played ff14 and people were chill with me dying and learning the game, raids thats been in the game since the beginning are still there, they're people who still run them at minimum item level just because, it was there i realized that i can do whatever whenever i wanted, i had no reason to rush to the latest content cause itll always be there and ill always find people willing to do it with me, and now ove become that max level max item level player hopong into random raids ive done already just willing to lend a hand

[@edd_TV]

It's SO good in that sense. I think the fact everything is still somewhat relevant when you can sync content is such a great idea and I implore Blizzard to introduce something like this for WoW. We have Timewalking but it's laughable by comparison and only really suited for one raid per expansion. I think playing at your own pace is honestly such a forgotten way of playing video games because we've just had this philosophy or mindset beaten out of us. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

[@elliottgale1771]

Great video Edd! As someone who played wow previously and is now playing through the MSQ, i still cant get over how nice people are to sprouts. Ive caused a few wipes in dungeons as a new healer, and everytime people are like "dont worry about it, lets go again" rather than insta-abandons i would get in a wow dungeon.

[@edd_TV]

Thanks El! Yeah it's genuinely very heart-warming and it's so much more humanising. Sometimes you do need an arm around the shoulder and a bit of help or guidance. I feel that once upon a time WoW was like this too, but it's tapered off and transformed into such an ugly place at times now. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

Fantastic video. Always lovely to see perspectives from outside the Eorzean bubble.

[@edd_TV]

Hey, thank you so much! I love your work too! Thank you for taking the time to watch. I really appreciate it!

[@TheEorzeanArchives]

@@edd_TV Awesome! I’m planning on doing some interviews with ffxiv players/content creators coming up, let’s get in touch if you are interested.

[@edd_TV]

@@TheEorzeanArchives I look forward to seeing that! Absolutely, that sounds great. I have given you a follow on Twitter!

[@ceres090]

I didn't play a lot of video games growing up, but a moment that stuck out to me in FFXIV was a story an NPC tells your character in ARR. I won't repeat it because it's truly harrowing, but it solidified my love for side quests in the game. I love the struggle and plight on the common man in this game, and the NPCs are allowed to do and say things you might never see in the MSQ. In short, the NPCs and their stories feel way more real and affecting to me than anything in the MSQ.

[@edd_TV]

You do see some real hardship in this game and it makes you think. You raise a great point too, it's not JUST the MSQ but it is just the common man and the NPCs; the side quests and even just chat bubbles with the NPCs. There is so much there if you look for it. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

[@aw685]

One of my favorite moments in FF14 was when i queued up for a old raid and when it finally pop a family friend at the last moment had to ring my door bell. I told everyone sorry i need to step away. When i got back as soon as i can, everyone waited and even dancing. I thank everyone and appreciate they waited Ff14 isnt perfect and i agree with this video on it but it does have those moments that makes me truly appreciate the community

[@edd_TV]

It's amazing how something that comes across so simple sticks out in your mind and has so much weight and emotion to it. Kindness can go such a long way. That's a really sweet memory, thank you for sharing!

[@evilbendera]

Moment I remember. Was old Starcraft 1 multiplayer game i did with a friend where we both agree not to attack each other for like 20min and all I did was build nukes in the very back so when the 20min timer happen i got to use the Quote in game "You called down the thunder. Now reap the whirlwind." and level everything he had with my preset ghost since he lacked detection. Though if you want a more recent 1 several months ago i finally got around to playing Sekiro and beating that final boss felt great after so many failed attempts so so many and I still remember that fondly.

[@edd_TV]

That's a great story with your Starcraft game! I've heard so many amazing things about Sekiro but I honestly don't think I'm good enough for those kinds of games. Thank you for sharing and watching!

[@Saliandros]

Diablo 2: LoD will always hold a special place in my heart. It’s the game that truly shaped me as a gamer. Even now, my favorite character is still Diablo from Diablo 2, because of all the memories tied to him. I’ve also played WoW, ESO, and FFXIV, and I think each has its own strengths. In my experience, FFXIV’s combat design really stands out, feeling more refined compared to WoW and ESO. However, when it comes to the gear grind, I find FFXIV lacking. Not that it’s poorly done, but once I’ve finished gearing up my main for the expansion, I tend to log out and wait for the next patch. With WoW, there’s always more gear to chase, and in ESO, there’s usually a set that’s fun to experiment with or handy to collect. If FFXIV had a more engaging gear system, I think I’d enjoy it even more. For now, I’m there for the story and the social aspects, but the endgame just doesn’t feel as rewarding to me.

[@edd_TV]

That's great about Diablo 2. I haven't played the Diablo games but I know how passionate the player base is and 2 is held in such a high regard. I think you're right and I think it does come down to what players want out of the game I suppose. Like I'll be bis this week in Dawntrail and then I'm kinda thinking 'Well what am I gonna do now?' whereas if this is WoW I could be maybe trying to push score in Mythic+ or maybe some things that could be considered a bit unhinged like trying to get something to war/titanforge or have tertiary stats on it. And I think you make a good point too. It's not just gear in WoW, there are talent trees, tier set bonuses and of course trinkets can really impact gameplay too. I wonder if they will try and reinvent the wheel with gearing going forward. I do feel that the game is in need of a real shake up in the next expansion, from class changes to maybe other drastic things! I think the story and social experiences are far greater than anything else the game can offer. I think in terms of combat/gear I think WoW is far superior and more satisfying. Thank you for taking the time to watch and typing this up!

[@XieRH1988]

Cutscene etiquette used to be a big problem in ARR because of people skipping the cutscenes in the final dungeon, leaving first timers on their own while everyone else rushed on ahead. It even became a controversial topic as to whether the skippers were being inconsiderate, or whether the new player had no right to force their party mates to waste their time waiting because the new player could just watch cutscenes at the inn later on. The devs eventually ended up making the cutscenes unskippable in the end during 4.2 onwards.

[@edd_TV]

I always heard about this! I know it's something that you obviously can't do now, and those dungeons have been redesigned (thank god!). I'm going to be working on a video soon in regards to why players quit ARR and this will definitely be a discussion! It was such a terrible 'finale' for players. Thank you for sharing!

[@BigpoppaEU]

The community in 14 is a lot nicer up to a certain point. Coming over from wow it was refreshing until trying to pug Savage for the first time. The toxicity of players in PF there is almost equal to WoW, it's just more passive aggressive vs straight insults. It wasn't an amazing experience from my point of view. 14 players in general are defensive over their game to an obsessive level that even if they don't like something about it themselves they will argue it until they're blue in the face just because they can't hear an negative opinion. It's a weird place sometimes.... Still prefer 14 over modern WoW tho.

[@edd_TV]

Hard agree. The PF can be a dangerous and toxic place. I don't have a great deal of experience with Savage in the PF but I have done Extreme farming and such and I've seen how bad it can get, so I can't even imagine how bad Savage must get. I think you have described it perfectly; it feels more tip-toey rather than straight up horrible stuff in WoW. I'm in total agreement with you on all of this.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I suppose to many, “a certain section that is clearly equivalent to the toxicity in WoW” is fine for them, as raiding for MSQ stuff and other stuff that is not above MSQ can be ignored if they want to, and if they are that toxic person that wants to raid to feel superior and therefore would consequently put people down for it, they would gun for raiding and other stuff. It’s not necessarily a solution but rather a self-sorting. Thus, because no one has to care any further, it is far better than not just WoW but many other MMORPGs. It is not just a game, but blissful paradise where they know the story is good, the raids are good, the characters are good, etc. Thus the scattering from Dawntrail. Shadowalker (base Shadowbringers-base Endwalker) was a miracles and the reason the illusion did not break during the patches is that FFIV is still beloved and people do not rank the patches as their own things but things to tide them over until the next patch, so while there will be detractors from EW patch content, to most DT had to hit its mark, and it did not. Thus the typical reactions like misogyny/transphobia against a known trans woman, two main camps based off of two main appeal with a insurmountable divide only solvable by somehow stitching the two together, and other classic fandom behaviors. FFXIV playerbase is not a better playerbase, it is a playerbase who has had every expectation met and exceeded.

[@Lucy-dg9en]

PF definitely is a shit place, but toxicity isnt the biggest reason I'd say to avoid it imo. The main reasons would more be that people don't read PF descriptions, so no matter how clearly you say (eg) OQ5 Q-Go at least two people are gonna come in doing hector and wipe you... The second is that a lot of the time people are just bad. I don't mean messing up the prog point, if you join a prog party and mess up the mechanic that is being progged that's understandable, I mean prog parties for the end of the fight where one guy can't do the second major mechanic. This is common and it's maddening and only gets worse in clear parties... The third and imo final nail in the coffin is it takes a long time for PF to fill, so once you deal with one of the problems above and people leave, you're stuck waiting 15-30 minutes for more people to join and be just as bad ... Moral of the story raid with a static if at all possible, you might not clear as early in the tier week wise but you will clear with so much more sanity (also holy shit I wrote a lot thank you for coming to my Ted talk)

[@edd_TV]

@@Lucy-dg9en Agreed on all fronts! Really well written and explained. Thank you for taking the time to type this up and thank you for watching the video and coming to my EDD talk.

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

Yeah on the surface 14 definitely has a generally nicer player base but while WoW suffers from toxic negativity 14 suffers from toxic positivity. In WoW you’re definitely overly criticized but in 14 you can’t criticize at all even if someone deserves it.

[@Howlflame]

One of my best memories in gaming overall was playing Shadow of the Colossus for the first time, and meeting the first Colossus. It felt like I had to physically look up to see the top of the thing! As for in FFXIV, I was farming some demimateria for a friend by making rings and desynthing them. A sprout came up to me and explained that he had just unlocked AST and had no good gear, nor the gil to buy it. So could I make him some stuff? I leaped up and went on a crafting and gathering spree to get this baby AST what he needed, and was so happy to hand over a full set of HQ gear free of charge! I hope he's still having fun with the game!

[@edd_TV]

That's a great choice for your memory! That's so nice of you to do that for a new player! It's really heart-warming to see stories like this. Thank you for sharing!

[@DrakonLameth]

Allow me to pull from the games in question in this video for another point in "how FFXIV hits different" -- The legacy of the players of 1.xx. There's a literally-and-hour-long piece of credits in 14, when one clears the 2.0 MSQ, called the "Meteor Survivor List"; those are players from 1.xx, who were there more-or-less when the curtains fell and Bahamut had his temper tantrum and blew apart parts of the world. The "Great Goobbue Wall" that some NPCs mention having happened during the Seventh Umbral Calamity (that is, the events right before ARR)? That too is the legacy of 1.xx, a horde of players on multiple servers mounting up on the goobbue mount one could get in 1.xx, forming a visual wall of those big beasts to get between the Garlaeans and Voidsent trying to get into Ul'dah from Thanalan. We were there when the BGM was a warbled version of the track "Answers" (now known as 'Answers (Reprise)') across the world, knowing the MMO we enjoyed was going to shutter and hopefully get relaunched in a better form, and instead of abandoning it... many of us stood our ground. Fought the mobs in the closing event with no rewards and possibly to us dying because we were woefully underlevel (like me, XD), because of that sense of community and "this is our game, our world" that showed that, even back then, 14 hit different than other MMOs.

[@edd_TV]

This is such a great comment. I LOVE that survivor list too, I think that's so damn cool! I think XIV will always be set apart from anything else because of the way it was predicated. It's such a fascinating story and journey, and whilst I'm not an OG or even a veteran, I'm so glad to be a part of it now!

[@GameGod77]

In regards to playing at your own pace. I currently have over 600 hours logged on FF14 and I'm still on the free trial. Between levelling alt jobs, farming MGP at the gold saucer, and helping my girlfriend work through the MSQ to catch up with me, I've gotten a ridiculous amount of entertainment without spending a penny! I haven't even started Stormblood yet so I've got hundreds more hours to milk out of the trial before I finally get round to paying a sub.

[@edd_TV]

The free trial is such a godsend. That's amazing, great job! Get absolutely everything you can out of that free trial! It's so great that it now includes Stormblood too. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences, enjoy the story!

[@velzanna2281]

I've beaten multiple ultimates and cleared every raid tier on patch since the beginning of Shadowbringers. But I still fiddle with my house for hours, get immersed in expert crafting, do silly stuff in Gold Saucer and sit around chatting in game and in discord with my friends, from my static and FC. Yes, I do play for those moments between seconds, for the rush of victory and the challenge of a difficult fight - it's take me three months to get through DSR. But it's not the whole game for me. Not the whole reason for playing. All I need to do is cap my tomes every week, and that's the extent of the "job". Everything else is just done for my enjoyment.

[@edd_TV]

Great job! I'm yet to do any ultimate's but it's absolutely something I want to sink my teeth into sooner rather than later! TEA and DSR look so appealing to me. You sound like you have a really healthy mindset with the game. It's refreshing to hear people who play the game at a really high level, but also do things very casually and take the time to relax and chill too. Thank you for sharing!

[@dharusiokay9426]

One memory that stays with me is when a friend let me use her wow account, i made a human paladin and in Northshire *somebody waved at me*. Another human player!

[@edd_TV]

The emotes were such a cool thing in WoW when playing for the first time! They could definitely use a new coat of paint, I think we should be able to see full face animations when people /smile etc, but there was something so magical about seeing those emotes back in the day. People waving at people and drive-by buffing people in the open world. Great memories.

[@dharusiokay9426]

@@edd_TV i had forgotten about the buffing! As a Frost Mage gnome, i spent hours in Ironforge just "to make people smart" by giving them arcane brilliance.

[@edd_TV]

@@dharusiokay9426 It was always so nice to get Fortitude from a priest when you were knee deep in a cave! I always felt so bad offering only a 5 minute blessing in return.

[@Sunari]

I only played WoW for a week, but I still recall my friend noticing me online at an odd hour, and upon finding out I was upset about something at the time he took the time to bring me an in game bouquet and do a dungeon or something with me. Once he was hacked later that week though I stopped as I wasn't going to pay a sub to a game I probably couldn't really afford at the time simply to solo. These days I mostly bounce between GW2 and FF14 as I liked what they had to offer me and enjoy the worlds, but I do think WoW has some pretty environments so it'd be a shame if people don't give themselves the time to enjoy them.

[@edd_TV]

That's a cute story. I've heard GW2 is really good and the latest patch with housing looks a lot of fun! Oh yeah, the art team with WoW are spectacular; the zones and music are just so brilliant. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

[@Tsugandate]

ohh the RO soundtrack, that triggered my nostalgia hard

[@edd_TV]

Glad you recognised it! Thanks for watching!

[@tonyLA24]

FF14 fixed my WoW tank anxiety. My first job in FF14 was Paladin, I would pick up one mob group at a time and no one complained. At the end of the dungeon, I would get commendations from everyone! The positive and patient community has allowed me to actually enjoy playing. Unlike WoW, where I would dread playing as a tank. Life's too short to play a game that's not enjoyable.

[@edd_TV]

I LOVE tanking in FFXIV. Tanking in WoW scares the hell out of me, lol. I can't explain it. I have no problem just wall pulling a dungeon as Gunbreaker or Dark Knight but doing anything as a tank in WoW just sends my anxiety into overdrive, so I totally get you! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

[@LobsterFusion]

I play both games but have a preference for FFXIV. What really sold me on it was just taking my time and slowing down. I even prefer the longer GCD personally. And being able to do old content, like expansions and even raids is great. I know the old raids arent what they used to be because patches tweak job balance and stuff but they are still fun to see and experience. Even if it isnt the way they were back in the day you can still do them and not just one shot a boss

[@edd_TV]

I feel the same about the GCD these days. I haven't raided in WoW since Castle Nathria so I think getting back into raiding in WoW would be really difficult for me now. I'm totally with you that I think being able to sync/unsync content in XIV is one of its greatest strengths and WoW desperately needs something like it.

[@Ravencrest172]

I do agree that players play WoW badly and that leads to a lot of the problems. But… That’s kinda WoW’s fault (and Blizzards). From the moment something launches in WoW it has an expiration date. Every item, every dungeon, every raid. There is so little evergreen content that if you don’t play it as soon as you can you’ll never experience that way. Even as an expansion goes on Blizzard reduces difficulties and makes changes to the content, if you didn’t beat that boss in the first few weeks then you never will beat that iteration. The option is taken away from you. WoW plays more like a season based game where you have a narrow window to experience the content sat it’s best and once that’s passed there is no way to even come close to it. Even the closest thing WoW has, level synched dungeons, are trapped behind a system you can level out of. Add into that how wildly classes can change in WoW (even within a single expansion and its patches) and it’s all pushing you to do the content -now-. Plus if you want to play a different class you have to start all over again. Take ICC for example. That’s a raid people enjoyed for a lot of reasons. But before Classic Wrath you couldn’t really experience it. Even if you had a dedicated raid group of people limiting their level it still wouldn’t be even close. Not only are the classes different but entire player stats no longer exist in the game that did the. (examples being Armor Penetration and Spirit). WoW has taught its player base that if they don’t rush content then they’ll never get to experience it. That doesn’t leave a lot of time for exploration and just having fun. you said it yourself, WoW is the king of FOMO and it’s shaped how their players function

[@edd_TV]

Yeah, you are absolutely right. It's their method and philosophy. The ethos of the game will likely always be whatever is coming next/is relevant at the time. You make a really good point with 'WoW has taught its player base that if they don’t rush content then they’ll never get to experience it. That doesn’t leave a lot of time for exploration and just having fun.'. It really does sum WoW up perfectly. I think it's something that is just normalised and accepted with the game now too. You kinda know what you're signing up for because the game has always been this way. Thank you for taking the time to type this up, it was a good read! And thank you for watching!

[@GTaichou]

I was on the server Asmon came to. His fanbase that followed along with him tanked the community on that server. There was so much poor behavior and toxic habits from WoW that took a lot of them a long time to unlearn. In the end, the server was never the same, but folks did start getting along with time. But Asmon's followers badgering him to play FFXIV? That's an issue with his followerbase - not with the FFXIV community. Background: WoW from Wrath - Pandaria (progression raider Cata-Panda), ESO tester and Raider, FFXIV Savage/Unreal/Ultimate raider

[@edd_TV]

That's such a shame, I'm sorry to hear that! I think the followers of Asmon were FFXIV players who were keen on watching him progress through the story but his followers are also very unruly and temperamental, I hear what you're saying. It could be a mixture of both. I don't think Asmon's 'true' fanbase were ever interested in him playing FFXIV. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!

[@Cellybeans]

Asmon confirmed himself that there were “wow andys” that pretended to be ffxiv players in order to harass him into not playing the game. There were forum posts even before he actually started on xiv, from people intent on sabotaging him trying other games who then carried through that plan in stream chats. I’m not sure how many of those people there actually were compared to real disgruntled ffxiv players, but they definitely existed and it was premeditated. Just makes me sad all around.

[@edd_TV]

@@Cellybeans That is really disappointing to read. It's probably a bit of both, yeah. I think there is a lot of fear with WoW players and XIV. I think they know they will like it but their thought process and basis is just 'trash weeb game' and they dare not sway from that. I can remember watching a specific stream where he said he was getting fed up of his viewers asking him to play FFXIV. It makes sense to me that those people were likely FFXIV players interested in him progressing through the MSQ. I have to admit I was glued to his VODs and really interested in his journey and really looked forward to seeing his reactions at certain points in the MSQ. I sadly don't think he will ever come back.

[@Cellybeans]

@@edd_TVyeah it’s unfortunate. I imagine the number of saboteurs were pretty small but they get blended in with xiv players just asking when he was gonna do msq since that’s what they’re looking to watch, and the xiv players who either do or do not want him playing “their game” and very vocal about it. It all blends together and with an audience his size it doesn’t matter the intent, it has the same effect of making him just not want to deal with it. The saboteur he showed the ban log of had the same person heckling him to hurry up and play ffxiv already, alternating with trash talking stupid weeb game, and earliest messages were kind of implicit threats if he went to play weeb game they’d start shit, and the username matched old reddit posts of similar vitriol. It was frankly disturbing.

[@nazotech7590]

Having played both in general the FFXIV is friendlier to a point, they can still be smug and fill with denial on certain issues

[@edd_TV]

I think so too but it's extremely tip-toey. Almost like when somebody is passive aggressively using ':)' or '^^'. Some are basically playing a game where they are trying to be nice, but it's so very easy to see through. I think the TL:DR is WoW players are upfront about bad behaviour because they so rarely get punished and in XIV they have to dance around it because they KNOW they will get punished.

[@deliaseymour5578]

I had wanted to play wow, when it first was announced when I was school. However, between a poor computer for games and just how strict things were, I was unable to do so. I played 14 in beta on my sister’s account and played it when I was able to get it on ps3, and later to ps4, and I enjoy every moment being able to do what I feel like. The community is nice when it comes to new people and also doesn’t really fault when it comes to someone being new to an instance (I find the best thing you can say in chat is “hi I’m new to this” and you will get some people that will explain or put a hat on and ask you follow them). Some of the much harder content (unless you are running the new savage or aiming for world first) people would presume that you watch a video of the battle and get a feel for it. I do wonder at times how WoW is like, it’s places and stories but I also get off put at the idea because of what I hear about the state of the game. Maybe one day I will look and see it for myself, but I think I will explore more of the other games I play for now. As for a favorite memory? Falling by accident down Witchdrop because I did not notice there was a hole and I died instantly.

[@edd_TV]

I think WoW is great but it's one of those 'You just had to be there' things. It's not an impossible job to get into it today but it is very, very difficult. I think the majority of people who still play WoW today are there because of sunk cost fallacy. No doubt they are still having fun but at this stage it's just a commitment. And I kinda relate too, I've been playing it for almost 20 years so I definitely still feel bound to it, but after playing so much XIV it made me realise "How on earth could any new player come into WoW and make sense of it all?". It's just an impossible ask, and then the players get upset, confused, potentially have bad experiences with players and then ultimately withdraw. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings! I also had no idea there was a hole in Witchdrop, lol!

[@johnspeight3264]

Great video I’m glad i watched it. My experiences were similar.

[@edd_TV]

Thank you! Glad it resonated well with you. Thanks for watching!

[@elgatochurro]

If you're from wow, I'd recommend the PvP. Everyone from WOW who I've recommended if to has loved it

[@edd_TV]

Funnily enough I'm probably at my weakest in PvP, although I did main a healer in WoW! That being said, I played A LOT of Crystalline Conflict during the first season and ranked in Crystal. I main Ninja and I had so much fun with the Limit Break, it's just crazy! I never really played CC outside of its first season though. I do Frontline but that's mainly just to level alt jobs because the xp is so crazy.

[@taya0412]

Great video my lil 🌱

[@edd_TV]

Thank you Taya! I learned from the best.

[@falloutbunker]

You mentioned there isn't datamining in 14. There is, you just have to go out of your way to find it because Square Enix actively does what they can to stop it so they've been driven to be less public about what they do. That and you have to wait for a patch to become downloadable to be able to datamine. With the exception of outfits, very little will be added ahead of time.

[@edd_TV]

That is true! It does exist but not on the levels of like Wowhead, the PTR and the like. I think WoW would be so much more fun if we aren't privy to this sort of stuff, but the players are the testers at the end of the day and that's what makes the games so very different. I think it also generates a lot of hype for WoW players. It's exciting to see everything that's coming, but also a bit of a shame that everything gets spoiled ahead of time. You are correct though, I do recall seeing datamined weapon skins for the Pictomancer prior to Dawntrail.

[@MrImjustaminorthreat]

I feel like the era of XIV players being hyper defensive of the MSQ may be starting to come to an end with Dawntrail. There has been a lot of criticism of it and while there is still pushback when you do, theres enough people criticizing it that the defenders dont really feel like a mob. Ive definitely been called a few things like when I said I didn't like one of the characters voice acting, but in those same replies there were 3 people agreeing with me.

[@edd_TV]

I think you're right. I think we should be able to point out strengths and weaknesses without a war of words. At the end of the day we all want the game to be better, right? I also think if we all agree on the same things then everything is just a bit boring. We need controversy, debate, opinions and such. I think Dawntrail is a good example because it's very mixed. I think most would praise the gameplay; the combat, raids dungeons and whatnot but narratively it was disappointing for a lot of people. It will be a lot healthier if people don't feel silenced or afraid to speak up because they don't want to go against the grain etc. I do agree with you that I feel it's calmed down a bit and maybe this is a turning point going forward. I think it's important for the devs to actually hear some potentially harsh truths at times too because they would want to know. Thanks for taking the time to watch and leaving a comment!

[@MrImjustaminorthreat]

@@edd_TV It was a good video, with good opinions. Sorry to mess with watch time a bit though had to watch at 1.5 to fit in my schedule. One small disagreement with the dungeons also, I have not been a fan of the expert dungeons, tender valley is bearable but I dislike the other 2.

[@edd_TV]

@@MrImjustaminorthreat Oh that's totally fine, I appreciate you taking the time to watch all the same and thank you for sharing your thoughts! I was surprised how hard the dungeons were initially. They seemed a lot harder than things we had seen in the past. I'm the opposite I think, haha. I really don't like Tender Valley but I think Deadwalk is cool! Thanks again for engaging with the video. I really appreciate it!

[@LobsterFusion]

It's weird because it used to be if you had something negative to say about the MSQ people would flame you. Now, if you have something NICE to say about Dawntrail.......people will flame you. 😂

[@edd_TV]

@@LobsterFusion That is so true. There are definitely elements of Dawntrail I did like but I'm sure I share the same gripes as everybody else. At the end of the day it's all subjective and people can enjoy whatever they want. It is funny like you say though how people expect everybody to unite and march in one direction. We need debates and opinion, otherwise everything is just bland!

[@fernandohiroakiramirez7354]

Answering your question I can make a summary such as: fiting graft in xenogears, or bhal in grandia with low level. Finishing warioland 4 with all endings, or the end of Devil may cry 1 that make cry. In wow would be doing thing with friends: arenas for example killing a druid when it seems that i loose but I reverted the situation (and resently talking with a friend in a bar in the game as old times), seeing my wife getting new mounts and pets, and transmogs. In ff14 was the end of shadowbringers rolling when some important charactar ask me who I am (I am personally answer " the one who's gonna brake your legs). Or doing all nier quest that came in a very hard moment in my adult life, and so on like getting my first rare mount from a trial. My problems with wow is the layer sistem and part of the comunity website (r.i.p). I hate playing wow and not being abel to see my wife just because i am in a different layer. In valdraken i was looking for her but when we made party i see her, and it is horrible because you kill the comunity feeling and frienship of seeing a friend doing shit around, and forget the about the pvp war or doing invations that now means nothing. as an aliance player was epic to wake up at 5 or 6 am just to kill the warchief when the other city leaders where little bit more easy to kill. I would prefer they change into other sistem of player distribution sistem or tons of lag than that, it pains me. And the second thing was the community. The website used to be more open friendly with players. Did you made a fan art, screenshot or another stuff, go and upload it there. I remember trying almost every weak trying to be in the screenshot day, but with wod they change the look of the page and also other things that i not sure if it still there as the art of the expansion that only people can see of they got the collector edition with the art book. Ff14 dont have that aspect, but at least they made competitions to see the best art to implement in the game. Thanks for reading and I hope you did not have such trouble reading my long comment.

[@memecita]

It's not quite the same since it's only on instagram, but the official FFXIV account does feature fan art there every Monday. I didn't play WoW so no idea how their site was but featuring community content regularly does sound wonderful, wish we would have something similar because otherwise it's only in big bulks along competitions and FanFests. Lodestone does have a blog feature but just like the community finder or fellowships in-game, those seem to be only actively used by Japanese players and they never took off with the western audience.

[@edd_TV]

Some really great memories there! I'm very much with you with the ending for Shadowbringers, in terms of a recent memory that one sticks out for me so much. It was epic. Layering is really frustrating, I agree. It feels so weird and sad tome just watching people fade in and out when you join a group or whatever. Thank you for taking the time to type this up, and don't apologise! One of the reasons I started making content in the first place was because I'm really curious to what people have to say and love to hear peoples thoughts and experiences. Thanks again for sharing yours!

[@p2jnyoom]

Suppose I'll throw my hat into the ring. My favorite thing to do in games is to do silly stuff, and solving puzzles. Let me tell you how that made be better at FFXIV. A little backstory: I got into FFXIV like a month before Shadowbringers, and FFXIV was my first MMO. Even now, while caught up on MSQ and in the process of leveling all the jobs to max, I'm not the best, and I acknowledge this. I don't gear the best and I just have fun. I did, however, solo all the Normal Omega raids in Endwalker. As my first experience with the raid series. No, this wasn’t reclears, it was first-time clear. SGE for most, RDM for O9, BLU for O11 and O12 (O12 actually got me to use materia in my gear for the first time). Why did I do this? I found out my one friend, who got into the game after I did and said that we should do the Omega raids together, did the Omega raids with other friends. So this was my silly act of spite in response. The most playful of jabs (while I get throttled by Omega). I then proceeded to have the bright idea to try and solo the Savage Omega raids. It wasn’t a good idea (some fights have mechanics that require multiple people or I die an unavoidable death). But I did complete O4S and O8S in about a collective total of 5 hours. Keep in mind, I'm going into the fights blind, with my only prior experience being my solos on the Normal tier to guide me, so I had to puzzle solve new mechanics on my own (one mech in O4S was a shove that happens if I don't stand in the right color, and as my abilities were timed, I was stuck in Diamondback [90% damage reduction for 10 seconds, but become unactionable and cannot move] when it happened, meaning I had to hope I won a coin flip; I later realized "why don't I cast it earlier so I can move when it happens, rather than relying on a coin flip?" I won the second attempt after that little change) After Dawntrail, I would join parties doing Extremes to get mounts, and one group did The Dying Gasp. And nobody here knew mechanics. So it ended up with me, having the Solo BLU experience, learning the mechanics as they happen and then telling the group what to do. We eventually got it, and on the last pull before people had to leave to sleep (this was at like 3AM EST; my sleep schedule was wack back then); no mount dropped, but triumph was just as sweet. And this opened me up to being willing to try raid content for the current expansion, which is the line (in my mind, at least) one must cross to become considered an experienced player. Because I had the realization that it's solving puzzles, and I like solving puzzles. So yea, that's the story on how I've grown confidence in my abilities as a still fairly inexperienced MMORPG player, and it was all because I like puzzles and being a silly goober. Oh, and if you couldn't guess already, BLU is my favorite job in FFXIV. I love the silly little monster spell guy.

[@edd_TV]

This was such an interesting read. I did not expect to read anything like this, but thank you so much for throwing your hat in the ring! I LOVE that you talked about solving puzzles, because that's an example I had to use recently with somebody talking about parsing and bosses. Boss mechanics are puzzles and are there to be resolved, and that's what the fight should be about! Not the parse. If people want to aim high for parses or whatever else then that's fine but it shouldn't take precedence over anything else. This was a really fun read. Thank you for taking the time to type this up!

[@p2jnyoom]

@edd_TV Of course. I'll also add that, even though me going solo makes some of the mechanics easier, it does make some mechanics harder. There's multiple times where things would target multiple players, but since it's only me, it only happens once and not 4 times. There's also multiple times where, since it's only me, all 4 of the attacks all hit me at the same time and I just have to deal with it (and no, Diamondback is not always the solution). Either way, it's a puzzle, because the solution for one doesn't apply for the other. And sometimes, it's not possible solo, and sometimes it's just on the edge of possibility if you leverage everything. Case in point, O12S. There's a mechanic where the bosses rush at two different players three times in a row. Getting hit results in a Vuln that causes you to take 10x magic damage (these attacks deal magic damage). And I couldn't survive Solo, cause the net total damage is somewhere about 260k (with Diamondback active, which, again, is a 90% reduction), and I only have about 50k HP. Searching the internet, it is indeed possible. But for my abilities and gear presently, I cannot win. Maybe I will once BLU gets Lv. 90 access, maybe I will still need to improve beyond that. But it's an impossible fight for me to solo due to that one mechanic, despite it being very possible (and not that hard in the grand scheme of things) with other players. But, I am holding myself to complete O12S Solo, as a matter of pride, and because I did the other two solo and I want the trifecta.

[@edd_TV]

@@p2jnyoom You should make this into a video series. It's so wacky but so very compelling! You got this!

[@memecita]

I like the part at 15:28

[@iulianam.2328]

Thank you for making this video and highlighting some of the reasons why I too, as a former WoW player, don't find the game enjoyable anymore and have since moved on from it to FF14. I know you mentioned an impactful experience that I remember from my time playing games, but I'll just tell you about how community helped me be where I am now. In all games I've played in the past, I used to play a female character because I'm a woman and I preferred them over playing male characters. I started playing FF14 as a Miqo'te girl because I wanted to replicate a catgirl character I had drawn for 3 years prior to joining the game, unrelated to FF14 catgirls. My first character did not survive the free trials being weeded out during Endwalker's horrendous 3-4 week launch period where restrictions were put into place. So, since I had barely gotten to Titan in ARR, I remade my character, still catgirl, and went through all of ARR and by the end of it I really didn't like catgirl body & animations so I used my free fantasia to change into a catboy. It was a strange feeling playing as a male character for the actual first time (alt attempts in WoW not withstanding) Getting used to his voice, his movements, his mannerisms took a while and as I was doing that I was also exploring my interests in the game. I experimented with clubs/venues, roleplay, housing and glamour and from that time period years ago, I retain a love for glamming and a small inkling towards roleplay which just means I shower catboys, primarily, with dotes and pets (but Lalas and tiny Au Ra girls get pets as well). Whenever I'd need to world hop on Light to find items I need, I'd scour Limsa for cute catboys to look at their adventure plate and sometimes compliment them. I don't think I'd develop this fondness for catboys had I not been encouraged by the people I've met in the game. Aside from a handfull of people I've met, the community seems to really like Miqo'te boys, their adorable ear wiggles and cute animations. I used to play WoW with transmog in mind as well, going through content to get the pieces I wanted, but my eyes weren't focused on others. I didn't find the characters unique enough or having a discernible style from how they dressed and looked (WoW models aren't also particularly pretty to look at and I much prefer the environmental art of the game) And because I didn't focus on others, I didn't interact with others and didn't converse with them or compliment them. It's quite easy to just find friendly people in FF14 that just want to hang out and talk and do content together. And without the game's encouragement to be social, I'd had never met most of the people I consider my friends right now, which are mostly catboys too :3 P.S. I might have bumped into you a few times on Odin. ^-^ Your catboy is quite distinct with their red K-pop hairstyle.

[@edd_TV]

This was a really nice read! Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I very much agree with you on how basic WoW characters can look by comparison. It's a bit better now but still nowhere near on the levels of XIVs character creation. I'm glad you have found a place in XIV and enjoy so many different aspects of it! It's very possible, feel free to say hello if you catch me again! Thanks again for taking the time to type this up and engaging with the channel. I really appreciate it!

[@merabledawnspark5827]

I am starting to tank a bit more on the lower levels to be able to get to mentor one day and, at times, help out another friend with the leveling. I know my way around and do the pulls, but whenever I see someone in a cutscene, my brain goes to a complete halt and just wait XD I know what's like to missing out and didn't want to pull until everyone is ready. There were at times, also, where the healer is new and can't do big pulls, which I pulled at a slower pace. I'm really glad that I was able to turn my brain off from "trying hard" or "knowing how to play" coming from WoW (I started towards the endings of Shadowbringers). I was told constantly level 50 is where it starts to be fun or it'll take a while, but it's really good. I turned that off, cause uh.... I was already hating leveling thanks to WoW XD I started out new and took it a slow pace. I tried different jobs until one landed me right. Then I did some of the side content stuff. Heck, one stream night, I did nothing, but SIDE QUESTS to see what was it like on that expansion (I have went to Dawntrail on the quests). The game isn't perfect, but it is a pace I am really glad that I stuck around. Heck, I had mixed receptions with the latest, but then I hear these discussions, theories, and even connections that it really made me think of the expansion in a different light. Now I can't wait to see more and pay VERY close attention to the details XD Which I think brings up one point that I think FF14 excels at comparing to WoW: Story. I may have skipped a few of the raids, but when I did get into it (for me, it was the Bahamut series), I realized there was a connection that goes later in the story! I was like "Wait a minute" and connected the dots. It felt good! With WoW, even if I were to go back... there are some major retcons or the story that gets a bit of a drag (Shadowlands, for me), and it's hard to connect. What drives me is the connecting the dots and FF14 does that, which is what I get giddy about when I find that said connection XD

[@edd_TV]

I think you make a great point with levelling when you take experiences from WoW. Levelling is kind of just...a means to an end in WoW, whereas in XIV it's SO much of the game. The dynamics are so different. You sound like you're having a great time with the game and playing it how you want to, and that's honestly what it's all about! You'll find yourself being so much happier. The story with WoW has been really disappointing in recent years. The lore generally is brilliant, but so much of it exists OUTSIDE of the game and has to be consumed via comics, novels and so on. It would be so much better if everything was in the game. Thank you for taking the time to type this up and for sharing your thoughts!

[@merabledawnspark5827]

@@edd_TV no problem! And that’s the other thing I forgot to mention, yeah. Some of the big important lores that happened in WoW was mostly from outside media. That’s not a generally bad thing, but if you’re a player that focuses on the game only, you’ll miss out some of the deals FF14 has stories outside, too, but they’re generally stories that you can read in without missing much (one example being Pipin). It’ll help the concept overall, but you don’t really have to do much to get into the lore. Plus, the game, itself, has lore inside that can really make things interesting. Jesse Cox had a few pointers that happened in the previous expansion from a dungeon OUTSIDE the MSQ that helped establish a hint for Dawntrail. It’s honestly really good going back and finding these little bits and pieces :D

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

I still prefer PLAYING WoW overall since I just think it has the superior combat and gameplay, however I prefer BEING in 14 since it just feels far more comfortable. There’s not the constant little advancement of your power to pursue, you don’t have nearly as much micromanaging upkeep of your character, and while talent trees with different builds are definitely fun it’s also nice knowing everyone playing that job is using the exact same toolkit you are. There just always feels like there’s far more pressure while paying WoW, pressure from the game itself and pressure from the other players. 14 feels way more relaxed and dare I say “casual” (lol dirty word I know). I like tanking in theory but I wouldn’t dare try anything other than DPS in WoW, partly because Fury and Arms are my passion, but mainly because there’s so much more outside pressure with tanking. You have to constantly worry about positioning and swaps in raids, you have to know the exact perfect route and mobs to pull in dungeons, it’s just not fun for me. But in 14 I’m tank only. It just feels so much easier and relaxed, the rotation is more simple than DPS, wall to wall dungeon pulls are surprisingly simple once you know what your mitigation tools do, and in raids (at least for normal) it’s almost braindead. Overall 14 is so nice because there’s just so much less hassle compared to WoW in pretty much every aspect. Not even getting into story stuff, I’ll just say that I still prefer WoW story and lore since I’m far more invested in that universe but 14 delivers its narrative in the vastly superior way for sure.

[@edd_TV]

I do think WoW's combat is just so brilliant. I think casual is the best word to sum it up, yeah. I feel a lot more free in XIV and less anxious about experimenting with things. I would tank in XIV but never in WoW for example, so I share your feelings! I always healed in WoW, I wouldn't dare try anything else. I got good with Holy Paladin and knew it was where I belonged. I LOVE healing in WoW but it doesn't do it for me at all in XIV. I relate to you with WoW's lore and story too, despite how messy things became with Shadowlands and maybe even how flat Dragonflight was, I've been invested since I was about 13 so there is no way I'm ever truly checking out. I'm actually watching a WoW lore video as I type this up to you, lol. I'll always be very interested in the lore of WoW but I'm just very grateful I was able to fall in love and appreciate a new narrative and world too. Thank you for watching and taking the time to type this up. I really appreciate it.

[@ProphetOfTruth_]

@@edd_TV my perfect mmo would be WoW that tells its story like 14 with the open world exploration and meta events of GW2

[@edd_TV]

@@ProphetOfTruth_ Never say never! Who knows what could happen down the line.

[@lagsp1ke33]

I think what drove me away from FFXIV after a while was actually the Post-Endwalker MSQ. It felt like the writing took a massive nosedive compared to what the story was that captivated me from HW to shadowbringers. Besides that, I also got turned away from the community, which I found was surprisingly bigoted and hateful which took me by surprise (Mateus server). I would like to go back to xiv, but WoW has improved a lot since I returned and I'm not sure I have the time; yet I would like to at least go through the Dawntrail MSQ soon (despite it's mixed opinions). Great video though!

[@edd_TV]

I really agree with you on this. I loved the base MSQ for Endwalker, but I found post extremely flat! I wasn't into it at all. Like I didn't hate it but it just didn't feel great. I'm really sorry to hear about your experience with the community, that's really unacceptable. it's definitely not a shining light like everybody says it is. It has its ups and downs like everywhere else and I don't think that's talked about enough! I hope you can get back into XIV eventually. Dawntrail is definitely a mixed bag but the gameplay is brilliant. I'm going to hold off judging it until the MSQ has concluded but yeah, definitely divisive! Glad to hear you're having a blast with WoW too. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your kind words!

[@36luki36]

for me the pf experience in ff14 kinda killed all partyfinders in other games. Two clicks and your in compared to applying to dozens of parties over an extended timeframe.

[@edd_TV]

Yeah, there was something super disheartening when it came to Mythic+ in WoW and repeatedly getting declined for groups. Even if your raider.io score is great, maybe they don't want you because you're not the right class etc. I main Holy Paladin and I honestly think that's why they gave us a battle rez, just so we would be more viable/sought after in Mythic+. There's a lot of gatekeeping and it sadly comes with the territory when it comes to high level play but It's a huge problem when it seeps into casual play.

[@mobius4247]

Based and real

[@KippoKupo]

playing wow since I was 3yo in 2004 with my dad, playing ff14 is just... so much better. WoW is full of toxic players and isn't worth your time, FF14 you can get muted/banned for being rude lol

[@edd_TV]

That's so great that you got to play WoW with your dad! I think toxicity absolutely exists in XIV too but it's so much more controlled. I would describe some people in WoW as 'upfront dicks' whereas in XIV some people might be horrible, but it has to come across more passive aggressive. That being said, I can count on one hand how many bad experiences I've had in FFXIV compared to the hundreds (or thousands) I've had in WoW. I do think WoW needs to be policed so much better.

[@Freddie_ssm]

Ragnarok online mentioned lets goooooooooo

[@edd_TV]

Hell yeah. If you're still watching, you'll hear two tracks along the way. Enjoy!

[@alejanarrentanz698]

Shout out to Dekuchild-Shiva! Alway lay dead on the ground body :D

[@ArmageddonEvil]

Welcome to Eorzea for one. For two, my most enjoyable moment was getting a minion called Salt & Pepper Seal. It's so cute and it wanders around you. I do enjoy all the other stuff in FFXIV. My WoW experience was quitting in 2016 during Legion. Because of playing Warlords of Draenor first. It was boring and annoying. Got the Flying in WoD and I couldn't stand WoW anymore. I didn't have the nostalgia for the game as all the people who played Vanilla. Edit: Another thing, World of Warcraft had minion battle thingy that I enjoyed but you don't have access to it if you are too low level, which is dumb. And there's a lot of powercreep for that game mode in WoW. I enjoyed my time in Wrath of the Lich King. But I can't really stand World of Warcraft anymore. It's slowly changing back to Vanilla where community matters but it's a long time coming until it can reach that level of commitment. Edit 2: I enjoyed every single Expansion in FFXIV. A Realm Reborn, Heavensward, Stormblood, Shadowbringers, Endwalker, and Dawntrail. It's mostly because I enjoy a story that feels nice. Dawntrail is a desive expansion, but it had some good dungeons, and etc. Though, the only dungeon I didn't like was the Turtle at the end of the Lv99 Dungeon. Because it uses enormous Aoes. lol

[@edd_TV]

Thank you! I'm familiar with that minion but I think I got it from one of the Moogle Events! I have the Golden Beaver that I take around everywhere with me, haha. WoD into Legion was really weird for a lot of people. It was almost a trial by fire because we went from having zero content to constantly doing world quests or mythic+. Trying to get our best legendaries and unlocking the artifact tree. The contrast between WoD and Legion is crazy. I loved it personally but some really didn't like how much was being demanded of their time. Nostalgia is a huge part of WoW and I think Blizzard know it. I think that's why they are too afraid to launch a WoW 2. I think there is so much attachment with the sunk cost fallacy with players characters and that's what always draws players back. If they pull the plug on this and do a WoW 2 and it fails, why would players stick around? It's interesting. Thank you for the kind welcome, watching the video and your comment!

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@edd_TV I never got the Salt and Pepper Seal from it's dungeon, the 4.1 dungeon the Scalla one. Warlords of Draenor was one of the worst expansions because it lacked content, they even cut the middle tier Raid, specifically Shattarth or something to that effect. Legion had way too much stuff in it and it didn't really pull me into the game. And I quit before Mythic+ was added. I did like the start of the story I suppose. Though, World of Warcraft does have a problem of timegating its story massively, week 1 (Here's the first bit of the story), week 2 (Here's more of the story), etc. etc. It would be nice if it was released all at once like FFXIV. Since you get the entire expansion on launch.

[@edd_TV]

@@ArmageddonEvil Yeah, there was supposed to be a Shatrath raid! I was so sad we never got that. I think it was 'Assault on Shattrath City' or something along those lines. I have done a video on Legion if you're interested in watching that! Legion has so much good, but definitely has some bad and it was a precursor for a lot of bad stuff that happened in WoW for 4-5 years. I would love them to release the story all in one go. I think if they could adopt the format that XIV has with the MSQ and then do some post story it would be so much better. I think they WILL eventually do this but they are still trying to figure out what works and what the players like I think. It's going to be an interesting but unfamiliar process for them.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@edd_TV The Worst thing that was in Legion was that the Legionaries were supposed to be easier to get on launch but, the higher ups waited until the End of the Expansion to release it. It's quite sad, I definitely didn't want to go through the Legionaries grind to get the BIS only for it to be nerfed and needed anew Legionary. Gear in FFXIV is good enough, it reminds me of Wrath content. The Free Trial for WoW kinda sucks, and I didn't know you could transfer levels to another character, that's odd and strange no offense. I'll watch that video after World of Warcraft: Why Some Players Aren't Having Fun Anymore. Always good to get some insight in the other mmorpg that actually played that content than I who quit *before* it was released. On a different note, I've played ARR 2.0, a total of 4 times before it was Revamped in 5.3. I decided to only play one character instead of my multiple alt characters I have on the NA Data Centers.

[@edd_TV]

@@ArmageddonEvil I think the way XIV gearing works is perfect. I definitely get the same vibes as you in regards to like badges of justice and so on. It was just so simple and easy to do. I appreciate you engaging and checking out the channel! I've also played ARR four times too! I played it first for my initial playthrough (which I shamefully story skipped), I did it once again to do the MSQ properly and two other times to make sure I could get my friends through it because I knew they'd never get through ARR unless I dragged them through it kicking and screaming. I'm planning on a video at some point in regards to why players quit and throw in the towel with ARR.

[@almevo]

What is that ff14 anime in the background some times ??

[@edd_TV]

There's a few of them. They are Korean commercials and can be found on the official Korean page. I'll leave some links here for you :- kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5fPXnysjaaifdk kzbin.info/www/bejne/npeWlHahgp6AbpY kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5PHfYqjgsx2psU kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2LVZGCwo6ytodU kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqjQgpqroaqIj5Y Hope this helps!

[@rinrelle]

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[@Feliko_IV]

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[@mosley3485]

I think I've seen you at hunts quite a bit

[@edd_TV]

@@mosley3485 Very likely! What's your characters name? (if you don't mind sharing!)

[@mosley3485]

@@edd_TV Cheez Whiz from Twin

[@edd_TV]

@@mosley3485 I recognise the name!

[@XenosFFBE]

GG!!!!

[@edd_TV]

GG!

[@YvaiatheDemon]

You are right in most of it, but you are very wrong on the data mining xD There are several discord servers for that, its a lot more "exclusive" as its not to well known unless you "know people" but it is a thing xD Sometimes I know what Ultimate Weapons look like way before its released. But yeah its not exactly common knowledge thats true.

[@edd_TV]

Oh it obviously exists on some level but it's not as in your face is what I'm trying to say. Maybe I should have been more clear on it! We don't have like cutscenes on KZbin or a dedicated Wowhead website etc. You are absolutely right! I recall seeing some datamined Pictomancer weapons before Dawntrail released etc.

[@YvaiatheDemon]

@@edd_TV Ohh well I never played WoW so not sure how the dataming looks there. But yeah thank god that doesnt exist for FF14 as it probably would take away some fun if its pushed into your face before the actual release :/

[@timmyjimmy3647]

If players are rushing to the end because that's where all the content is that is not a player problem. That is a pacing problem and based on decisions the devs have made.

[@edd_TV]

That is correct! I never said that was a player problem. That's clearly by design and has been Blizzard's design since TBC. What I described as being a 'player problem' was players not being captivated by the world anymore. That isn't a fault of the game.

[@DevvuInTheDetails]

I mean hey, all Blizzard needs to do if it wants to win fans back is say three words. Free Hong Kong.

[@Gam1ngSyzygy]

I loved ff14 till i was forced to play with other people to progress the story. with the only alternative being farming hundreds of hours to be able to solo the raids. Queing for an hour per mission is just piss poor

[@edd_TV]

@@Gam1ngSyzygy This is so noticeable as a DPS when you’re queuing for a trial and have to wait 30 mins or so, it feels awful! They have introduced things like the Trust system now which I think you can play almost the entire MSQ with AI now, but I think trials may still be with other players. I'm not 100% sure on that. I completely agree though. I find that so fascinating too because it's an MMORPG but it offers so much solo-play. It's interesting how they have made that work, but I think it can always be better. The game is so story focused I don't think it's good to force them to engage with people if they just want to play it like a standalone game like 7, 15 or 16 for example. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@nigenstormbringer3528]

@@edd_TV Figured I would fill in info since you said you weren't 100% trusts will cover all 4-person msq content but will not cover the majority of the trials (yet, though it may be updated in the future that is a long time down the line) and of course also won't cover the CT raid series also msq required, which is unfortunate for those who want to avoid people. Though the dev team has made significant strides in making it as soloable as possible, I doubt they will ever make msq 100% soloable with trusts, at least not til the game is on its death bed, bc at the end of the day whether you call it an MMORPG or an RPGMMO it is still an MMO.

[@edd_TV]

@@nigenstormbringer3528 Thank you for the clarity! That's very true and I think you're right. I think it's important that it maintains what an MMO should be but it feels so different to any other with how focused it is narratively. You are probably right, I think if they feel that the game is dwindling then they can make it even more accessible for things like this.

[@Gam1ngSyzygy]

@edd_TV i still love the game only instead of the 1000 hours most people put in i only have 97 racked up because of this reason. (Main is lvl62 barbarian currently) And i dont want to pay for a character boost to solo content either i like leveling naturally otherwise i feel out of touch with my character and their skills. At least if i get bored i can still go fishing or log in for event rewards

[@iantaakalla8180]

I should note that while it is true that you would prefer to enter as a healer or tank for quicker MSQ times, in alliance raid content it can be preferable to be a DPS role simply because in alliance raids you have 15 slots of DPS as opposed to 2 or 4 slots of DPS. This is not always true, but when you see DPS preference in alliance raids that is why.

[@haydennarumi]

20:07 it is always funny to see myself in the background in some random great videos recommend to me, that said ALL HAIL THE CUBE WALL! \O/

[@edd_TV]

Haha! I turned my camera and noticed it and thought 'This will be good footage'. Thanks for being a part of it! \o/ and thank you for watching!