Lessons in Magecraft 24 - Dead Apostle Ancestors Part 2

This series goes over the lore behind the magic system in Fate, Type Moon, and the Nasuverse at large. Our 24th Lesson in Magecraft finishes covering the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors.
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[@otakudaikun]

Is immortality something you would personally covet? What would you do with all that extra time?

[@wolfynightwolf]

But like immortality is everybody else dying 1st or so a wise person once said

[@meinsternes4148]

As a magus, I would seek immortality but seeing that I would never be a powerful magus in nasuverse, I could only see myself at most creating a potion of near immortality which grants long life but does not stop one from being killed by other means.

[@hydrasfang]

I'd amass wealth and over time have multiple collections of random stuff that interested me at the time.

[@one-eyedspider5965]

I would not want immortality. I'm just going through life with my limited lifespan already, I would go insane out of boredom and isolation if I was immortal.

[@weltmano6091]

If I were magus capable of achieving such feat, I would still rather avoid complete immortality, and stick to an extend lifespan, so that I can calmly enjoy my studies of the practice without losing sight of mortality. Btw, great vid as always Dai, looking forward to new Lessons. Also, is the image of Caubac Alcatraz that appears on 7:38 fanart or official art/sketch?

[@yanyjc]

Honestly, reincarnation is better than flat out immortality. Immortality under the right conditions, can turn sour HARD, while reincarnation allows you to avoid many of those problems while still staying alive, combined with letting you experience different lifestyles and upbringings, essentially letting you have your cake, and eat it too.

[@valdr2286]

That reminds me of the Greek myth some goddes fell in love with a guy and asked Zeus to make him immortal. Zues did not like this but obliged. He gave him immortality but not eternal youth. So he aged so much and shrank into a roach

[@aztecklover69]

yes and no!! since you retain all previous memories; eventually that would be too much and drive u insane.

[@cyborgcatrj6794]

Eh, that doesn’t sound so bad. I mean none of your lives are any more important than the first, I figure over time you would just become some timeless being that appreciates the journey of each life cycle. Immortal in all ways that matter.

[@tajup8741]

@@valdr2286 name kf the goddess

[@valdr2286]

@@tajup8741 idk it's been years sense I read that story I can't remember the name

[@Zorev32]

Nice! So basically: European/American authors: Ok, so vampires will drink blood, won't stand sunlight, maybe garlic, some iterations will be vulnerable to silver... Done! Yeah, we can work with that! Japanese: Hm... Hm... hmmm... That's it? Amateurs... It's not nearly enough...

[@rogueascendant6611]

That is why I like about Japan anime making their version of vampires more powerful in possessing magic, being an eldritch in nature as well.

[@Alpha.Phenix]

Legacy of Kain: [Insert Shakespearian version of ''allow us to introduce ourselves'' meme here]

[@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223]

It was a really interesting lesson,sometimes I thought that I would want inmortality,due to the fear of not having a second chance in life after death,but sometimes inmortality can cause more harm that good.

[@NekoKat.]

Um so yes immortality is something I already kinda want. I think I'd probably spend most of my time hunting for and mastering long forgotten magics. While of course trying to stay one step ahead of all those trying to end my immortality.

[@ivanbluecool]

Immortality would be awful as things would halt immediately in progress as you would not have an issue with time hence just sit around. It's like having nothing to do in life so you just laze around. Yeah I do like apostle lore a lot outside of fate as it really goes into how strong they are same with types who blitz even Gilgamesh who is the strongest Servant. Zero I liked how it was included and understandable with past history being Different with tsukuhime and fate on to the power level of vampires. I hope we get a type earth arc storyline somewhere as a what if situation or Adam

[@pavelmotal3593]

8:30 oh so that why there is talking phone in carnival phantasm

[@samarius_art_and_games]

Can I say that I find it ironic that Makihisa couldn't kill his own son to bring his daughter to safety, but can rape a six year old girl to prevent his OWN Demonic Inversion Impulse?

[@abdullahirfan9991]

That is what we call a "sick son of a bitch" my friend

[@gerardorivas2811]

Makihisa was a certified®️gamer😎

[@leshyaedawnfire]

Pedo's gonna pedo.

[@miggyd4502]

Dude, you are a Legend, thank you for doing this it is awesome, not only did this help me understand the fate universe more for my enjoyment, but it will also help me for my future fanfics.

[@baileyfitzgerald8329]

I didn't know there was so much more lore about Mr. Cellphone, but I suppose that should be expected with the Nasuverse. Also I remember when I learned about Tarantella, I thought it was crazy that Dantes had killed roa. Since that was from a drama CD I wonder what other crazy stuff is from really weird and obscure Type-moon works.

[@stevepitt-ash4628]

Yay another lesson on the dead apostle thank u dai!

[@Herrscher-4]

The Virgin Roa Vs. The Sigma Chad Dantes

[@pranavshinde4472]

Fact:the one who forced roa to choose ciel is none other than The count of monte cristo Edmond Dantes. In one timeline

[@wrought-ironheroEMIYA]

As Sieg pointed out human kind isnt ready for immortality

[@gusbart5856]

Heck yeah, I would take immortality right now. I always hear people talk about the demerits of immortality, but if I was able to accepts the consequences of my limited time and not go mad from knowing about my inevitable demise, I would be just as capable of getting used to immortality. It is just a mood dude

[@otakudaikun]

I wouldn't do it if I had to be a vampire.

[@mercurialsnake4503]

alright, dude, you are a actual magus, an't you?

[@bigcdo1498]

Immortality sounds cool on paper, but after some time may feel like a prison. All of your loved ones would die and you would ultimately be alone, searching for a way to end your endless existence and be with your loved ones in the afterlife. In conclusion, I would not want to seek immortality unless I had a very good reason to do so and I knew I could get out of it if I chose to.

[@ariannegoble4108]

Thanks man, its always a treat when you upload!

[@WinterFlowerSakura]

I hope you can do a video on characters that have half-demon blood just like Akiha and her real half-brother SHIKI TOHNO long with characters who are born from a demon hunter clan like Shiki Tohno and the twin maids from the far side story. I hope you will do Kagetsu Tohya in the near future by playing that visual game.

[@otakudaikun]

That's a good idea!

[@shahdangalahad698]

Thank you for the Dead Apostle Part 2 Ancestors Lesson.

[@infinitepotato001]

Personally I don't think I could cover it in mortality unless I knew that I could take my beloved (girlfriend) with me. Millennia alone would be terribly awful even if I could join a community of other undead apostles I don't think I would without somebody to ground me from my human life.

[@dz1700]

Thanks

[@aminebachir3394]

Immortality is futile, nothing lasts forever 🐒, I am glad our lives are limited, imagine having no meaning in life 😑(some pessimists already believe that), if someone was immortal they'll probably get bored really quickly with life but hey who knows

[@wojciechwerner8787]

Oh so Louvre is canon character. I only knew him from fanfiction. Anyway next time Dragons. :)

[@hydrasfang]

Does anyone remember that FGO comic where Gilgamesh found Ritsuka As just eyes and probably mind in a jar, after that all I see is the world being destroyed by Gilgamesh because they at best essentially killed one of his citizens and at worst killed one of his few friends. Also the really depressing one where Abby released the Elder Gods on humanity for what they did to Ritsuka. I'll edit this with links to said comics when I find them unless others know where to find them and be willing to share the links below. Edit: The whole part after jar for Gilgamesh was more a hypothetical what could happen after he finds Ritsuka.

[@otakudaikun]

Never heard of that. Seems brutal and a lot like Utawarerumono.

[@seanroadman7095]

Names for the comics please.

[@user-vg9gl3il7f]

Is it this

[@demigodz6944]

Dunno about that but...how does that even relate to the topic of the video?

[@monsoul777]

i really would like a manga series about Shiki and arcuied after tsukihime also doesn't Shiki nanaya have the strongest mystic eyes of death perception that is known of

[@ashchisalleh1454]

Yeah, people seem miss point even in tsukihime anime tell how Chaos actually can spamming power by killing own servants.. Remember another vampire knight Shelltear from Overlords anime who has similar power? Shiki and Arcruied really last stop basically miracles last humanity even by earth, or planet itself . Irony the only way to stay immortal without getting screwing over and over is become some kind heroic and get register as Servant. This what lead to Fate Extella Link.

[@communistalligator1038]

have you considered a whole video on fairys/elementals? their lore seems to have gotten really expanded recently.

[@otakudaikun]

I've talked about them regarding phantasmal species. I don't think that one is public yet.

[@communistalligator1038]

@@otakudaikun gotcha! Looking forward to it dai.

[@NEXUSKNIGHT2]

I'm just gonna say this: Keep Nero Chaos from any or all dinosaurs, Aragami, or alien creatures to absorb! And 666 lifeforms in his body?! Pick a AOE weapon like the BFG 9000 the mystic eyes Shiki has. I'd rather be a phantasmal beast like a dragon thank you

[@BrianWilkersontheAuthor]

Reading further about these dead apostle ancestors on tvtropes, and I've been listening to so many of your lessons, that I heard them in your voice. It doesn't surprise me that magi have become these creatures. Anything to reach the Root, right?

[@otakudaikun]

Yup. Mages are obsessed.

[@londonmason6129]

Immortality wouldn’t that bad if you can get 1 or 2 of your friends/family to become immortal

[@desmondmalone438]

3:08 UMU lol

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

Only way _I'm_ accepting immortality is if it goes to the rest of humanity as well. The pain of losing people is the main reason why I hate death so much. I mean, if someone dies, everybody loses them, and if you die, you lose every _thing._ It really is a painful thought. One that I can't stand. As such, even if I had a chance for immortality... if any less than everybody doesn't share said immortality, I'll say "no thank you".

[@FlawlessiceVA]

BEAST I has entered the Chat

[@darthkai3621]

*me, watching through all this and learning about the vampires*: OH NOOOOOOOO!

[@Hakelous]

i wonder about fgo sion and how she is a vampire

[@otakudaikun]

Yeah, that'd be good to know.

[@Bladecharge]

What the point of immortality if invetabilty you can live oast your race existence. Go out and look for new life? If you have loved ones your gonna see them all die one way or anthor which can be depressing.

[@3dark7]

Roa!!!

[@jonmorgan8112]

Hey OtakuDaiKun are you ready for lostbelt 5

[@otakudaikun]

As ready as I can be.

[@tablemold]

yee

[@brian_Austin27]

Where's our lostbelt vampire senpai

[@otakudaikun]

Not technically classified as a True Ancestor. Definitely not as weak as a Dead Apostle.

[@soraadcaelum2428]

So the new tenth ancestor decided to ignore a rose prophecy? Was he just dumb or arrogant

[@otakudaikun]

A victim of his own hubris I imagine.

[@ivanruzic2592]

Do you even want to know? After all, in order to understand such alien existences, one must have alien common sense, which includes reality marbles or true magics. And considering that not even a dozen humans have managed to manifest reality marbles in all of human history(and even less humans had or have true magics), it's next to impossible to understand such existences.

[@soraadcaelum2428]

@@ivanruzic2592 yes because I want a reality marble

[@ivanruzic2592]

@@soraadcaelum2428 And get a Sealing Designation? If so, feel free to ask a certain Beast King how to do it. That is, if he deigns to answer you. Or try to summon a certain cynical Counter Guardian to ask him.

[@soraadcaelum2428]

@@ivanruzic2592 yeah because they would totally tell me

[@Junodragon6780]

I prefer transmigration over immorality, at least a god would be on my side in the alternate universe! 😂

[@rickymoala7710]

How about Vlov?

[@otakudaikun]

This video was made prior to the remake. That has an entirely new list.

[@elegantamadeus9873]

@@otakudaikun Make a update list for The dead apostle ancestor prior to the remake.

[@BradLad56]

Where's Vlov?

[@otakudaikun]

This list was made prior to the remake, which makes a number of changes.

[@BradLad56]

@@otakudaikun Ah I see. Makes sense now. Guess you couldn't include somebody who you didn't know about. Would be cool if you did an updated video at some point but it's just a suggestion.

[@otakudaikun]

@@BradLad56 I totally intend to, but there's still a lot of mystery to the new roster that I think Nasu will reveal with future updates.