Let's Ban Cellphones | Musicians are such WHINERS

[@sgz647]

This some weird Diva complex from the artists tbh. When they are small, they would literally beg for free advertising and exposure. Countless artists are a thing now because of some internet random getting them viral for free. And as soon as bands reach a certain threshold of fame and cult following, their ego takes the steering wheel and they pretend their experience is some once in a lifetime 'lightning in a bottle' magic trick, which is too sacred to be recorded. Half the concerts I have attended, I made the decision to buy the ticket after watching some random nobody's clips off youtube. Dude, if bands started sharing full high quality professional grade concert recordings, most people will not bother with taking photos on videos for memories during the performance. Or if the performances were consistently cheap and accessible to us, we wouldn't care enough to. Even the tickets are digital now, there is nothing to look back on for nostalgia, considering bands keep disintegrating left and right. The sheer audacity from some of the artists that tour once every 4 years, don't even visit your corner of the world, enable the outrageous scalping cartel that leads to 1000$ tickets prices, and when you save for months to make that trip happen, tell you: 'please no phones guys, it hurts our feelings' is funny. And I cant emphasize it enough, I only record my 2-3 favourite songs and the band's opening gimmick, just like most of the people. This gets brought up every other week on reddit and people bend over backwards to villainize people who like to take some photos and clips of a show they are attending. They bend over backwards trying to conjure the stupidest reasons to portray people quietly vibing and taking a 30 second recording of their favourite song: 'Oh the phone lights are hurting my corneas' - And the 1000 floodlights and lasers on stage are not? 'Oh its distracting me' - Look at the fucking stage, there are always going to be thousands of people around you doing their own thing, regardless of phones. 'Oh but the phone is blocking my view' - As opposed to people with hige signboards, tall vikings and morrons who lift up their partners on their shoulders? I have never had my 'view blocked' by someone's phone. Its always some drunk shirtless morons who cut line and invade your personal space. People cannot lift phones above their heads for 3 hours, go try it. 'View' is hardly guaranteed. I have stood right next to a railing have had the security or venue photographers ruining my view. 'Oh but they are not enjoying the experience the right way' - How does that concern you? Its up to them to decide what counts as a good experience, its their money. 'Oh but the people on the phones are ruining the vibe by not dancing and singing' - Mfker, did you pay money to see a random teenager's musical rendition and dance sequence? Did they spend their hard earned cash to entertain you? Focus on the artist and ask your friends to dance, sing, or mosh. 'Oh they are doing it for their scoail media points'. They will never watch it again - Again, doesn't concern you. I record for my personal memories. I have opened and rewatched clips from the 2022 Rammstein show hundreds of time. They wont be back again at least till 2027 based on the recent rumours. I have shit memory, and rewatching these short clips gives me immense joy. Judge all you want, there isn't anything good going on in my life. And trust me, most people who pretend to have an issue with it, absolutely binge watch the recordings other people put out online for free. Cuz apparently they were busy living in the moment and have three blurrly selfies to look back on they took in the parking lot. At the end of the day, the performance is a product, and we are the consumers who are literally making it possible for these artists to live their hedonistic lifestyles without having to worry about 'rent money'. I cant believe it has to be said but people must be allowed to enjoy shows however they want to as long as it doesn't harm or ruin someone else's experience. Ironically no one talks about the drunks, addicts and morons physically or sexually harassing other people in concerts. The guy with his phone out is always the boogeyman.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

You have a lot of good points!

[@IloveKurtCobain-z5k]

@@ZachAdkinsGuitar Sure does

[@callumnichols7652]

I agree with everything you said in this video. People take videos and pictures at show for memories, not to get in the artists face and ruin the show.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

There ya go!

[@gregjohnson298]

I don't care about cell phones at concerts but I would like to see the goddamn things banned on job sites.I'm sick of having to work twice as hard because some dipshit is standing there staring at his phone all day.What a ridiculous addiction.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

That should definitely come down to the employer. At most jobs. If you're caught on your phone, you would get fired and or written up. Which could leave to termination. Which I would be all for

[@McSorleyFan33]

I totally get someone messing around on their phone during the work day but my phone stays on me at all times because if my wife or kids have an emergency and need to reach me best believe I’m answering that call. No job in the world is more important than my family

[@LiveFromTheRaw]

Concert goers taking video and photos with their phones at shows believe it or not are actually doing the performing artists a service for it gives them exposure and can be intriguing to others at times. This is essential when it comes to newer bands that are starting out as well. We record our shows because we enjoy reliving the experience. Personally, I rewatch the shows we record,and look back and think “that part was awesome” or “that was the best part.” Mental memories only last so long. We understand that there are some folks out there that prefer to be in the moment. We like to document the shows we attend. Venues don’t have a problem with it either (it’s actually within their own policies that cell phones can be used to take photo and video, and not to use professional photography or video equipment). Modern day technology has come a long way, and we embrace it. Having said that, we also try to make sure we’re not in the way of others while recording our shows. We wouldn’t want any obstructions in our way, and we wouldn’t want any obstructions in other people’s way.

[@EDDIETRUJILLO-q8p]

You pay. it is your show. Think about the bands that gained popularity because somebody posted their gig. Disclose phone bans on site where you buy tickets. It is illegal to do that upon arrival.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Boom 💥

[@philyeary8809]

No. Laughably 😂 It's THE BANDS SHOW. this site is the dumbest thing I've seen. This site bitches too much....waaaaah Get more boosters, shill.

[@McMillanScottish]

I agree with the fact that phones are usually ubiquitous and seen as essential by some, but I know the artists should definitely be able to ban their use as video cameras if they wish. If someone is holding his arm way up in the air with his screen on full brightness for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, capturing the magic at a quiet folk music concert, he should definitely be slapped on the head, as that is very disturbing to the people around him who want to enjoy the show. You can certainly ban that sort of behavior without banning phones.

[@MuckyPup115]

🤣 . It’s not illegal. You don’t HAVE to go to the show. It’s your choice to enter that PRIVATE establishment to see a show from an artist who decides who they want there.

[@nemonucliosis]

Axl Rose was the original whiner when it came to photos.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

He's just the original winner in general

[@randycape8706]

LOL​@@ZachAdkinsGuitar

[@debbiehoyt9018]

It's kind of like musicians get pissed when you don't stand which I can't do any more due to health issues.

[@rhodayackez9570]

I hate standing. Why do people do it. I've stood a couple of times and it angers me!

[@Noitpure]

I grew up going to shows long before cell phones. Cameras were prohibited and if you got caught taping or filming you got kicked out and had the possibility of your film being taken. I can’t stand seeing people mess with their phone the whole show instead of being engaged with the live concert in front of you. And I’m sure bands get annoyed seeing phones in the air instead of faces paying attention. Not to mention it’s not fair for the bands. People post awful sounding videos of shows and spoil the setlist. I don’t support banning phones but I do support them not being in use during performances.

[@GLASSGHOSTHUNTERS]

If I owned a restaurant, somebody paid for their meal and never ate it, I wouldn't care. It doesn't take away the dining experience from anybody else. So if you're on stage, the audience paid the ridiculous ticket fee and is using their phone to film you, so what?!?!

[@andy9150]

I agree with you, if I'm paying to go to a show. I should be able to enjoy it the way that I want to enjoy it. Whether I have my cell phone out or not, this is not Nazi Germany, stop treating people like it is....

[@debbiehoyt9018]

Nothing should be banned by people who will virtue signal over things being banned. I don't care for cell phones myself because I am 55 so 99% of my concert days were before them. BUT back in the day we snuck in cameras so there is that 😆. I would say if they are that upset over cellphone's make it clear on the website and venue

[@Mmmleftovers]

Imagine buying a pizza then they tell you that you have to eat it with a fork and knife. 😂

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Ex-zach-ly 🤣🤣🤣 No hands allowed!!

[@philyeary8809]

Shit take

[@Will-ze6rq]

I will not go to a show that bans Cell phones. I was going to go see Ghost here in San Diego, but my wife showed me the cell phone in a bag bs. So I decided to spend my money elsewere.

[@KevinRodriguez-z4i]

"I paid for this show so I should enjoy it however I want" Fucking THANK YOU. People bitch so much about someone, recording a song or two or even the whole show that it really becomes their mission to get rid of that. ASSUMING that they will enjoy the show MORE without it. Let people enjoy the show how THEY want to enjoy it. I'm grateful for those people whom record. My wife being one of them. I'm more of the guy who headbangs, dance to, mosh, etc whatever while my wife is usually the one recording a decent amount of the show. That's HER way of enjoying it and I LOVE it because then, we talk about that night and she has a video of it, which I LOVE. This goes for people that couldn't make it to the show too. They always show gratitude towards the person, who recorded and uploaded the show so they may enjoy it at the comfort of their home. If you don't like that, that's fine! But don't be an asshole and dictate how others should enjoy the show. I love Ghost, but I ain't going to accommodate to the whole "no phone" bullshit. I don't support that pity shit. To who is going, have fun!

[@PROGROCK-tr9hw]

First, their shitty vip package now this.Don't care for this band at all, but if I did I wouldn't go to their shows.

[@RTheWalkerOfGreenB]

A lot of it is that these musicians don't realize how lucky they are.... There are plenty of good musicians who never make it big... They probably just want people to see them play, regardless of whether someone films it or not

[@solarwinds5114]

I remember when I went to a Tool show and the venue announced at least 5 times they would kick you out if they caught you filming. There were employees with flashlights going down the aisle checking. I couldn't believe it

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Yeah, that's absolutely insane.

[@maidenengland2]

Yep they had someone going around with a megaphone before the gig

[@TheJimmyClip]

Does tool still tour?

[@solarwinds5114]

@@TheJimmyClip yep they do. This show was for the Fear Inoculum tour in 2019

[@maidenengland2]

@ I saw them before covid

[@redcat9436]

I will not be attending any show that bans cellphones.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Boom 💥💥

[@Rob_1776]

I am old enough to remember! When you couldn't take a video camera! Or even like a Polaroid camera etc. And yeah even then I thought WTF! I'm not trying to take a camera in there! To record a show to pirate it! And sell it so why can't I? Even though people may have, and did! But did wonder how come now a days everyone can record on their phone? But I'm not against people doing it! I got pissed when! They told me I couldn't have my chain on my wallet! And I asked why? Oh because you might hurt someone! With it! And I honestly thought I never thought of doing that before? But I wanted to start with the security officer!

[@Racar420]

Personally im one of the few that dont own a cell, I remember DT did it for the Astonishing tour. I think its outrageous especially after spending 150-200 or more on a ticket. If they want it like old days and no phones then we want old day prices of 10-15 bucks a ticket :)

[@erikweissman8443]

I love GHOST, and I’m seeing their requirement as just telling me I’m not welcome or appreciated. I can take the hint. Ok. I’ll spend my money somewhere else. Problem solved.

[@austindolan7182]

imagine paying for a metallica concert and getting kicked out cuz of a megadeth shirt. the real dave mustaine experience right there.

[@CraigMcGill-u2o]

Simple solution, dont go see them if their going to whine about trivial things.

[@DomVonDoom]

Okay not a music or concert related comment but I have a perspective that relates to the cell phone in modern entertainment. I work for DragonCon in a area where it's called the Walk of Fame. This is a ballroom that hosts a variety of celebrity guests that are in the entertainment industry specifically TV and film. The ballroom holds about 100 booths of these current and aging stars who are mostly out of the industry or their star power is waning. Anyway the convention forbids ANY type of unauthorized filming or photography in this area. This is mostly to prevent "stealing" and boy is it a pain in the ass to police con'goers stopping them from sneaking a pic or vid. When X is charging $100+ for a autograph it's kinda hard to justify stopping people BUT it is how most of these people make a living especially stars whose star doesn't shine very bright anymore. 🌟

[@bigjermboktown6976]

They're probably scared somebody's going to videotape them lip syncing or not actually playing their instruments. And wouldn't it have been cool as s***if we had cell phones when like Randy rhoads was playing or more footage of Layne Staley and the list goes on.

[@brendanoneil3489]

Drop the mock outrage - everyone is at it -there is mimed guitar here on this channel. 'let he without guilt cast the first stone....'

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

The only mimed guitar playing on this channel is from my album music video play throughs. Which state in the description that it is an album play along and not a live capture. Pretty transparent. 🤷‍♂️ Otherwise, it's all recorded into the daw and captured directly from the neural dsp plugins. 🤓

[@aionanyx4462]

EXACTLY! Whoever took bootleg video of Savatage in the Golden Era, fucking _thank you!_ I discovered Savatage in summer of '93, and Criss Oliva was gone by October. 😢 SO grateful for those performance videos, because I never got to see him. ❤️

[@brendanoneil3489]

2.50 how do you play a note without fretting it? ;) 'not' a playthrough?kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIeuoIWpaZd8mMk

[@brendanoneil3489]

​@@ZachAdkinsGuitar you deleted my reply? the truth is not offended by examination... but you are it seems.

[@georgep.burdell7237]

Waving cell phones at a show is safer than waving lighters.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Facts

[@motcrue64]

You pretty much said the solution to this in the video. As long as the band is disclosing the phone ban before you purchase a ticket, I don’t see any issue with it. If you don’t like it, then don’t buy a ticket. Simple. I’d go to a “No phones allowed show” but that’s just me 🤷

[@rinehardt6837]

I remember going to see Prince in 88 and one of his security guards took my camera took the film gave it back to me he was very nice about it. But in today's world we live in people have their phones with them at all times. I have been to see Foo Fighters Journey and Def Leppard and recently I saw Static-X and Sevendust had no problem filming at those shows cause I don't wanna film the whole show I just wanna have a little memory. And most of those men seem completely OK with it. At the Foo Fighters concert Dave Grove told us to hold up our cell phones and turn on our Flashlights so it lit up the entire arena it was actually quite beautiful. But I can also see if some artist don't like it but I think you're really going out of your way to make things more difficult than they need to be by not letting people just use their phone. No I will say if it says when you were buying the ticket no phones are allowed and you agree to that then it really is an asshole move to try to film when you already agreed that you wouldn't.

[@CodyGraves2223]

I agree with a lot of what you said. It's like when Kiss made that interviewer take off his Iron Maiden shirt for one of theirs. The point of paying to go out is to have a night of freedom. Bands wonder why the world is giving up on them. I think the people need to bail on the bigger bands and invest in smaller establishments where the artist are thrilled to see them. Take pictures, love the fact that they are being recorded. Instead of spending 70 to 200 dollars on people who treat you like cattle, go to a bar for free and tip the band 50 dollars and help someone build their dream. Throw a house party and hire that band, make some friends for life.

[@noeditbookreviews]

It's good to hear someone talk about this. Every time I see one of those comments from people talking about how much it sucks that everyone is on their phone at a show, I find that 10x more obnoxious than the people who want to take pictures with their phones.

[@pan.satyros131]

Banning phones is totally lame. I wont be buying a ticket to any band that bans cell phones.

[@paulmurphy9293]

Phones at shows suck balls. Who wants to look at arms and screens all night? WATCH THE FUCKING BAND!

[@pan.satyros131]

whine, whine, whine...

[@bigjermboktown6976]

Bands in general have just become lame as fuk to tell you the truth. I mean there's still a few real ones out there but not many

[@JordanNewill]

You're right it's 100 percent bullshit that they think they can tell people whether they can use their phone or not. And who cares if they do? You still got their ticket money either way. What's next they're gonna say "You must cheer after every song?" I remember when Axl caused a riot because he saw a guy with a camera, like a legit camera cuz this was like early 90s, and he told security to grab the camera, but they didn't so he jumped off stage, punched the guy, got on the mic and said we're out of here and left the stage. I believe that was the same night hetfield got burned by pyro and they had to cut their set short and asked GNR to play longer so James could go to the hospital. And nobody wants your shitty phone recording cuz it's gonna sound boomy and hard to hear probably. Not to buy anyway. Will I watch it on KZbin? Probably Will I pay money for it? Absolutely not. Phones have come a long way but not that far.

[@HermesTrismegistes369]

❌NO CELLPHONES❌

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Eh

[@sadgoldfish]

I don’t agree with cell phone bans but it’s good that Ghost are letting people know about the ban before they buy tickets. I think people working for the band running around on stage filming or taking photos during the show are a lot more distracting than other audience members phones. Sometimes it’s almost feels like you paid to watch them create social media content or to be an extra in a music video that you weren’t informed about in advance.

[@laurenced2916]

I agree. People hold their phones up at gigs way too much. I have DVDs of live shows from the 70s and 80s and the crowds were into it a lot more. Now you just see crowds holding their phones up the whole time and not interacting.

[@DarknessFlameMedia]

Maybe they should make the performance available for download to the people with tickets then. Memories fade people like looking back on their experience.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

So? They paid for the ticket. I'm not saying people shouldn't enjoy the show, but to be told you're not gonna have access is ridiculous.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Maybe

[@RTheWalkerOfGreenB]

@@ZachAdkinsGuitar Exactly. So tired of these "wah wah, phones" arguments people make

[@tanyapizzolattoshimmerngtarot]

I will not go to a show if I cannot take pictures. These are our memories were capturing with our cell phones. We are spending our hard earned money they are our employees, they have no job without us.

[@onlycody]

I agree with you 100%. I just recently saw Bruce Hornsby, and he had the no cell phone/video policy. He didn’t make anyone lock it up or anything, but security was definitely making sure no one had the phones out taking pictures or videos. Show was extremely disappointing too, not even for the fact he had the no cell phone rule, it didn’t help matters, but the show was just overall bad. Maybe why he didn’t want anyone recording it? I think more than half the venue was gone not even half way through the show too. Ian Anderson was another one who had that rule when I saw him. I’ll never give either of those two artist another dime to attend a show, love the music, but I’m not paying to see you if give you me a list of things I can’t do. I will say I’ve seen the Lumineers a few times, and never had an issue with phones at there shows, it’s been a few years since I’ve last seen them though, so maybe they’ve gotten more strict.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Thanks for the comment!

[@rhodayackez9570]

I love that I can views concerts that people filmed!

[@darylpeters]

I dont agree with artists banning phones but it is nice when at a show where you are not having your view blocked by everyone having their phones up the air. I have paid for my ticket and i end up watching other peoples phones. Even though i personally dont take videos or pictures i have nothing against people taking a few each. It has gone way past that though, so many have their phones up 90% of the show. Truth is i only check my phone if travelled to a show and i have to check the time as ill go towards the back for last 10 minutes to get out quickly for last bus or train and i dont wear a watch lol Its easy to say people should be allowed to enjoy the show anyway they want and that might be having your phone out constantly but its also ruining other peoples night who have also paid for tickets by ruining any chance of a decent view Sadly its not possible to have that happy medium of a few photos or videos I think i would enjoy the show more with no phones but also don't think it should be up to the artists

[@Ai14106]

I dont like using cell phones at concerts but i know people do it and want to savior the moments and relive them

[@ChadAV69]

Zach, let me be frank, your argument is selfish. I used to go to the movies a lot, but recently I have stopped going because people refuse to stop hopping on IG with their phone on full brightness, or snapchatting movie scenes, or just plain recording the movie. I 100% believe that there should be a no cell phone policy in movie theaters. Now, cell phone use is nowhere near as disruptive at a rock concert, but it is still disruptive. Your argument of "I paid for my ticket, I should be able to do whatever I want" is wrong. Does it stop at using your phone? What about pissing on the ground? What about yelling in someone's ear? What about holding a sign up to block everyone's view? What about kicking people in the face when they aren't even in the pit? Where is the line drawn? There absolutely needs to be a crack down on cell phone use in public areas like movie theaters and concerts. It ruins the experience. If people don't have the self control to stay off their phone and actually enjoy the show, they can stay home and look at their phone in their living room, or just anywhere else but at an event where it's a communal experience. I see cell phone use like a drug, and there is plenty of research and anecdotal evidence to back that up. People lack the facilities to tear themselves away from their phone and actually enjoy what they paid for, so the venues should help them do that.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Pissing on the ground is illegal. Yelling in someone's ear can be considered assault. Kicking people in the face is assault. These are illegal activities. Those are not the same as using your cell phone at an event. I agree people should be more mindful with their cell phones in public places, but we have free will and we don't live in a dictatorship, if we do these things it would be out of kindness for others. Which is fine. But to mandate it and tell others what they can or can't do? That is what I'm against.

[@ChadAV69]

@@ZachAdkinsGuitar I agree with that. But I encourage venues to have "no phone" shows. I guarantee you after a month it will catch on and people will realize how good it is.

[@redcat9436]

​@@ChadAV69How about I tell you what food you can eat? After a month I guarantee you will feel better.

[@MrGhod]

Banning cell phones from concerts is ridiculous. I took my wife and daughter to see Billie Eilish in October, great show by the way, and she actually encourages fans to take pics/vids. At one point she took a video camera and filmed the audience. We were second row at the front and took some nice pics to remember the experience. What's the problem with that?

[@KMcPs_Song_Sagas]

Agreed...100%. If I'm paying to see a band...with the cost of tickets...then dammit I'm gonna take pictures, videos what the f--- ever I want to take! We the fans make them their famous selves anyway!!

[@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245]

Wow, you’re brave posting this. Not sure if it’s just me, but I’ve been seeing more and more elitists in the audience take matters into their own hands over people filming with phones. I’ve witnessed folks hassle, swipe and intentionally block people trying to film. One resulted in an all out brawl at the Xavier Wulf/Limp Bizkit show in AZ

[@jasongnrfan7374]

I understand people whatch it through there phone but youre right we pay the money and we are not hurting anyone so enjoy it

[@JJW77]

Another great conversation - Zach!

[@Kevin-1969]

I went to see the ABBA show in London, you can’t use phones in there either, however it is amazing, you are literally back in 1977 when they were at their best look, has to be seen to be believed. This is definatley the future of concerts, I hope they do it with the Beatles.

[@aionanyx4462]

This is a serious topic for me. As a single woman/single mama, I won't go to ANY show where I am not going to have immediate access to my phone. It's a principle of SAFETY, not me trying to take away someone's enjoyment of performing. The REAL problem at concerts are (as mentioned elsewhere) *drunks, addicts, morons, and sexual harassment* , often leading to altercations, assault, theft, or worse. CELL PHONES are a first line of defense for that sort of thing. They are also a great way to collect evidence. "I don't like cameras; I feel much better when I don't have to look at them while performing; insert lame excuse here" vs "I would like my fans to have unlimited access to their own phones as a safety measure" = the difference between a diva and a Rockstar.

[@Zodi77]

I agree. I’ll enjoy the show as I feel. Phones are here to stay.

[@sinakaedwards2009]

I will say turn the flash off if you do use it, because flashing and lights can mess with you on stage. I hate stage lights, the ones they use to light the stage at all venues. They hurt my eyes and make it hard to concentrate on my performance.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

That's fine. You can "request " anything you want. But to make it an irrevocable mandate is something else

[@rarkitorparkit]

The Cat from a previous episode got me to Subscribe! There was an incident (cant remember the band offhand) where the lead singer stopped the band and gave a lady in the audience chit because she was on her phone. Turned out later it was an emergency message to her son as there was a problem at home with the babysitter.......... The band later released an apology. If a band is that precious about it they could always have no phones in standing sections and phones allowed in the seated. If phones recording and other "gizmos" stop you 'dancing' in the futurenow days (old Brundog's reasoning) then so does sitting down. I bet ol B.Mars expects you to walk 15 miles through the mud with no shoes carrying a pale water back from the well for refreshments like the old days too.

[@shadegloom]

I have been to some concerts where the artist asked people to put away their phones and like 99% of people did. It would be for a song or most of the set. But, people would do it and still could grab a quick picture. I thought it was a win-win.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

If they wanna ask. That's fine.

[@kennyrichey3238]

I'm old enough to remember going to concerts before there were cell phones. Even then I remember wishing I had something to remember the show with. I love taking videos at shows now. I am respectable though. I don't use a flash right in front of their face (Small venues) That happened 1 time and I didn't know the light was on. Just a few feet away from the singer. Now I double check. I also don't stand there and record every second of every song. Just be respectable & I'm sure most of the artists should be cool with it.

[@AngelReyes-up1fe]

CONS: You won't be able to take a couple of pictures and video/ You won't see footage from other shows. PROS: You will no see that f-ing sea of phone screens in front of you during the concerts.

[@annehalloran9215]

I hate being distracted by ppl in front of me who have to video entire show! Far less applause for performers due to that also. At least in NYC playhouses we have ushers on the lookout for those who don’t care about their phones distracting / iobstructing your view of stage! Keep Live Alive! ,

[@speedingpenguin]

I understand the performers side of the argument but agree with you, that it's not really their place to say you can't have your cell phone out. People sometimes need to communicate or be available to the outside world, you should be able to check your text messages or check your security cameras if an alert goes off. As for people recording and taking photos, again... I see both sides. I love recording entire shows and uploading them to KZbin, both for my own enjoyment (Yes, I do go back and watch or listen) and also because dozens, hundreds, even thousands of other people all around the world get to share the experience as well. I make my best effort to get quality footage (Constantly trying to improve) and I'm as respectful to others around me as possible, careful not to obstruct anyone's view or distract from the performance. The people who I personally see as the problem are the people who are waving their phone around making zero effort to capture any footage that would be enjoyable to watch or listen to. You don't need to hold your phone THAT high to get a clear shot of the stage, you're holding your phone vertically so the bottom 1/3 of the screen is the backs and heads of the people in front of you, the top 1/3 is the ceiling or the sky behind the stage, and you've got the singer and the drummer in frame but that's it. And you recorded 2.5 minutes of a 4 minute song. I'm not saying some people should be allowed to record or take photos and others shouldn't, but courtesy and a little bit of effort might be a minimum expectation I'd be in support of. It's not going to eat into ticket sales, watching a show on KZbin is hardly a substitute for a live concert, but as mentioned earlier, videos on the internet (or even just the audio) give people all over the world in who knows what situation (unable to go to a show in person for example) AND across time, a chance to share that experience. As far as the time element of it goes... You never know what's going to happen with a live performance, good or bad. What was going to be just another show might be that bands final performance, there could be an accident (Dave Grohl falling off the stage), or even just a unique set of circumstances that cause something interesting to happen... Saw Creed and 3 Doors Down over the summer in Charlotte and because of weather, the schedule was being compressed a bit and Finger Eleven played one song in the middle of 3 Doors Down's set on their gear. Not rock history, but a unique performance and of course, and of course I wasn't recording 3 Doors Down's set and I missed it. But that's the kind of thing that compels me to film. Tool is strict on the no-phones but doesn't lock them up, they just kick you out. It was annoying, it was kinda nice not seeing any screens in the crowd, but having them there doesn't bother me as long as it's not pointlessly just blocking my view.

[@meungawa]

It’s interesting in reflecting back to the eras with the best bands at their peak (before 2000) no cameras were allowed at shows and people had to watch the show and wanted to get solely into the music. No multitasking and sinking around with a silly app. Digital leash addicts holding their annoying phones in peoples eye line the whole show really ruin it for everyone. And then they delete most or all of their footage the next day and rarely look back at the photos after they upload it to show people they were at a show and their friends weren’t. I think most people now are noticeably less happy, wrote noticeably less good and less creative music, and clearly do not have the same excitement for shows, songs, or anything in life because they cannot put their addictions down. Annoying people at restaurants. Even while they’re driving. It’s sad and just insane to see so much of it.

[@Superjet113]

Right on. "Digital leash addicts", I like that.

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

How the hell do you know what people do with their photos and recordings? Gaslight much?

[@TheJimmyClip]

The era of bands is long past. There aren't too many Acts that are worth the money to go see a lip sync performance, much less deal with diva attitude coming from a moderately well known artist. These artists should be eternally thankful for whatever attention they get

[@andyo-southpawguitaruk5322]

TOOL. My first and only experience with the lead vocalist, I've never wanted to like and dislike someone so much before at the same time. The phones affect him, but hey nothing to do with the psychedelic imagery right by him on a massive screen huh

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Easy, just dislike Tool because they suck as people and their music is alright - we played it religiously in high school, 20 freaking years ago and I haven't cared about them, since.

[@b.aitken]

Today, pics and vid of your show is the best promotion you can get for free.

[@edwardbradford6794]

Just another reason to stop paying for these extremely expensive shows. I stopped going to concerts unless they are very cheap or i get a free ticket somehow. I do though still support local artists or up and coming artists because they usually just want you there and there number 1 agenda isn’t money.

[@mikewestfall827]

How about Rob Halford kicking a phone out of a fan's hand because the flash was distracting him? Apparently it made it hard for him to read the teleprompter telling him to sing Breaking the Law a hundred times in a row.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

🤣🤣🤣

[@JJW77]

Good job, Zach!!!

[@therealandrecorbin4050]

Love the thumbnail with Phillis Diller up there in the corner

[@the43rdparallelthrift34]

Some of these "musicians" don't want visual proof that they are lip-syncing and or that they suck, live. That removes the illusion that they are some type of "gods" to be worshiped. I, for one, don't watch any cellphone videos taken at shows (because I don't want to hear Johnny or Suzy, singing the wrong lyrics, out of key) nor do I care, about them being used at the show. Take your video memories, etc. If I'm not close to the stage or on stage standing stage-left, I can't see anything, anyway, so Idc if there's a bunch of phones being held in the air. People might even be using their camera, zoomed in, to actually see the band on stage from 30+ yards away. Good for them for wanting to see, what they paid for. Any band that has an issue with cameras/cell phones should take note from the Black Dahlia Murder and livestream all of their shows directly to KZbin. I can't go to all their shows but seeing a fairly professional livestream with good sound, will certainly make me more interested in supporting them via merch and album purchases.

[@kimlayman4742]

I am sad they are doing this,i personally think they are shooting themselves in the foot. Now i do agree not having them out and tapping the whole show. But i so think you should be able to take photos and at least a few videos. I don't like being told what to do by them. I guess if i wanted to see them ,and this was the only option i would think about going,but i really don't see the point to be honest. Ticket prices and meet abd greets are so expensive now,they should at least let the fans have fun at the show.

[@ueno1]

With so many performers having cellphones thrown at them during their shows, I would want a chicken wire curtain between me and the crowd!😅

[@gregmcdonald8962]

I've been going to shows since '88. Not once in the last 15 or so years have I been distracted by someone holding up a cell phone. People constantly put their arms up to cheer and/or throw the horns, how is that any different or less distracting? As someone who likes the option of doing a bit of filming myself, if you're actually invested in what's happening on stage instead of what's going on around you, you wont notice it, and I say that goes for the artists as well. Concentrate on your performance; how good a show are you giving if you're paying more attention to the crowd, looking for people breaking your precious cell phone rule, rather than what you're doing on stage? It's the height of narcissism to accuse people of not paying attention to you, exclusively, for the entirety of 2 hours, give or take, just because they're not doing it the way you want them to. These artists can get bent, especially considering more and more of them aren't even singing or playing live anymore, to varying degrees.

I would be fine with a phone ban if I knew they were officially recording the show so that I could buy it on DVD/Blu-ray at a later date.

[@McMillanScottish]

I put this as a reply, but I'll leave it as a comment. I got no problem with people having their phones. If you're in a concert where everybody's waving his phone in the air, wave your phone in the air. But if you're at a nice quiet folk concert And you stick your arm in the air with your screen on full blast, recording video for 15 minutes, pissing everybody else off around you, then you're in the wrong room. I think rude behaviors should be banned, rather than devices. Take a few pictures, or a minute of video, and put your phone away. Don't leave your arm up all night. Everyone hates that.

[@michaelcantley9843]

So, on the last couple of Ghost and Kiss tours, I took a bunch of pics, as I like to do, to remember the show by. But also, I've picked out the best ones, and had them printed as photo books or calendars for other friends/fans as Christmas presents. Very individual and personal. Looks like I won't be doing that next year. I'll still be going to see Ghost, coz I'm a big fan, but I'm a little pissed off about this. Like others have said, posting stuff has been free advertising for some of these bands. I'm not one for filming the whole show or anything, but a few pics and short vids, yeah.

[@AllenPendleton]

The problem is all the assholes holding their phones up so you can't enjoy the show. As a FOH sound engineer it just baffles me why people would want to stand their all night holding up their phones instead of just watching the show. People now days are just rude

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

I definitely agree, it is an asshole thing. People should have some common decency and stuff. However, my problem is with the actual venue and/ or band telling you what you can and cannot do.

[@JohnManopoulos]

​@@ZachAdkinsGuitar I agree Zach

[@gregmcdonald8962]

I've been going to shows since '88. Not once in the last 15 or so years have I been distracted by someone holding up a cell phone. People constantly put their arms up to cheer and/or throw the horns, how is that any different or less distracting? As someone who likes the option of doing a bit of filming myself, if you're actually invested in what's happening on stage instead of what's going on around you, you wont notice it, and I say that goes for the artists as well. Concentrate on your performance; how good a show are you giving if you're paying more attention to the crowd, looking for people breaking your precious cell phone rule, rather than what you're doing on stage? It's the height of narcissism to accuse people of not paying attention to you, exclusively, for the entirety of 2 hours, give or take, just because they're not doing it the way you want them to. These artists can get bent, especially considering more and more of them aren't even singing or playing live anymore, to varying degrees.

[@calledbythefire666]

There's always been restrictions on camera possession / use at gigs. Back in the day, I remember stuffing my camera down my ballsack to smuggle it into the venue. I do enjoy taking a few snaps of the bands when they're on stage laying down the law. The problem these days is that now everyone has a camera on their phone, they all think they're fucking Steven Spielberg! I've never really cared what the bands' opinions are on personal camera / mobile camera use is, but I DO care about paying a fuckload of money for a gig ticket, only for my view of the bands to be completely obstructed by a sea of LCD screens. I pay to see the band... not hundreds of camera phones up in the air for the entire show. There's an etiquette & middle-ground compromise whereby fans can easily shove their arms in the air for a few seconds at a time and grab the occasional picture, but fans these days just take the ever loving piss and want to film the entire show. I'm sorry, but it's annoying as fuck. What's the point in filming it anyway? So you can shove a muffled video on KZbin that looks like it's been drunkenly filmed through mashed potato by someone with Parkinson's Disease?!?! I'm all for the banning of cellphone cameras now... I never in my life thought I would be, but like I mentioned... some fans just have no fucking respect for the other people who bought tickets for their favorite artists they've possibly waited their whole life to see.

[@DJAngelShadows]

the best videos at a live show are taken with a 10.2" ipad

[@maidenengland2]

I saw the Lumineers a couple of years ago and they were fine with people videoing

[@eddiespaghetti9154]

Probably you do not understand. Tobias Forge really wants the Ghost shows to be like the concerts from the 70s and 80s which was you know eye contact and face-to-face with the artist to the fans and leaving the moment and meeting new people and making you friends just like back in the days of the 70s and 80s. The whole cell phone concert debate thing is just very ridiculous and the people who are pro cell phones are basically running out of excuses. My take on the whole concert cell phone topic is basically this. If the band or artist is doing a device free show that you had to put your phone in the pouch if you're against it don't go that's all case closed.

[@redcat9436]

I won't be going and that band won't be getting my money.

[@maidenengland2]

I went to see Amyl and the sniffers, and just about every one was videoing, I had a pocket camera and got told to pt it away, I said I was just taking photos with my camera. I put it away and on the last song took it out and was told once again if I don’t stop taking photos I would be thrown out. He said I could video but no photos which was really strange.

[@sandylawrey6974]

i.m 65.....never used my phone....a pic is one thing....but you miss alot if fliming....

[@cageycretin7357]

Swearing makes you sound so cool and grown-up

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Definitely

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

What's your take on this cell phone ban?

[@yourdickmyicepick]

My take is stop fkn whining about. Don't go if you don't like it, simple as that.

[@philyeary8809]

Full support. Their concert, their choice.

[@uncannyvalley444]

I don't record concerts, but I have teenagers and sometimes my wife and I go to shows and leave them at home. I don't like not being able to get an emergency call from my kids or being able to send a text between bands just to check in on them. This ban would be a no-go for me. They charge obscene prices for tickets then tell you what you can or can't do with your personal property? No thanks!

[@craiggerrard5117]

I woudn't ban it but seeing so many people with their phones out is a bit sad really.

[@lynnsparks6670]

If you've been to a show that doesn't allow phones... Sorry but yes it does enhance the experience. I personally have hated the age of a sea of phones at every show.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

I'm not saying that it doesn't add or subtract from the experience. What I merely saying is that I don't like when bands and venues decide what you can and cannot do at their shows. Outside of what is legal

[@redcat9436]

I've never been to a show where I felt the presence of phones diminished the experience.

[@chrisbohner1092]

I can see banning I pads cause I've been at some shows and they were blocking my view but not cell phones.

[@MuckyPup115]

7:28 Silly. They’ve NEVER allowed recording at venues. This is new. I don’t want my experience obstructed by people holding up their arms. Even if they DID have a dress code, you don’t HAVE to go to the show. It’s a private establishment, they make the rules. Done.

[@stevedamien638]

I cannot say your age here. Between 30-45. But remember or youtube a concert from the 80s. All these musicians here were fans in the 80s and or fans and playing in bands. Theres more noises and crazy crowds at Gospel Sunday f....g church service than any concert nowadays except for Death Metal concert goers these guys live in right now not for tomorrow memories. Concerts suck because of cell phone. Even having access to youtube music contents we are able to kill the magic and mystery of seeing a band live. In the 80s youd get an album,a concert and few posters from mags and maybe a vhs tape time to time from a band we like. Now with youtube you can see their f kids,houses,their diets,,yikes. Thats full business now and a social media thing more than a physical and live thing like back in the days.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

I totally agree. I think people need to be more conscientious about their phone use and be aware of the addiction. I don't try to use my phone more than a couple of photos during a show. But that's because that's what want to do, and I like to see the show. What I don't like is when it is mandated by a band and or venue of what you can and cannot do. That I have a problem with

[@James_k59psn]

Depends on the reason or intention behind it. Is the band avoiding video and cell phones because they are trying to hide the fact they are lip syncing? Or are they just wanting to genuinely make the performance more enjoyable? Even some intimate crowd gigs that televised they may ask someone to put their phones away so it looks better on TV. That’s for about 1 to 5 songs usually. Or you have bands like tool where they want you to go pay for tickets to see the band. Not watch it from some guys phone who was in the crowd.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

I don't really care what the reason is behind it. People paid their money, they should enjoy it the way they see fit. As long as it follows laws and regulations of their areas.

[@marinamcelrea1196]

It's also going to hurt Ghost merch artists. We use fan photos to get references for artwork

[@image30p]

I just watched some more of this video. I couldn't finish it the first time, because I got triggered lol. Can we still say triggered? Ugh. I just hate all this entitled crap. How lucky to be able to play music for a living. Oh it's so sad. I'm so beautiful and talented that people always want to record my presence. This is why I'm watching this video instead of a movie. And I barely ever listen to commercial music anymore. I'm just fed up with these ungrateful people. Like you said it's 2024. Even me, an old guy, can grasp this concept. I can't find an old guy emoticon.

[@metalhead41294]

Are cellphones annoying? Yes they can be. Do I use mine? Yes but I try to make sure my screen isn’t in someone’s view whenever I take pics or videos. But for me banning cellphones is dumb cuz what if something happens and you need to call someone?

[@GenXParanormal]

It's really hard to enjoy a show when you have 8 rows of people with their phones up in front of you. Fuck my old boots, my first show in 1976 (KISS) I was concerned of second hand smoke & big hair. That seems trivial now.

[@Superjet113]

In the 80's, some artists would not allow camera's and some did not care. But I dont know the answer in this case. I know I do get annoyed sometimes with a million people that video the WHOLE show, but that is legal what they are doing. I take some small video's and then enjoy and watch with my eyes the rest of the concert. There was this drunk woman with a 10" tablet sitting nest to us trying to hold it up in the air non stop at Joe Satriani, we shut that shit down ASAP..lol

[@astronomerblankman]

Artists should have control of their art. A lot of complaining about "whiners" in this video but I only hear one person "whining". Just sayin'.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

Controlling art is one thing. But, setting up regulations at a show someone is paying money for, is another. How far will it go? There's a difference between whining and voicing that something is unjust and, frankly, ridiculous.

[@cleaspeaks]

I remember people filming a Yellow card show on their phones and Ryan Key stopped to yell at the crowd and say something along the lines of "it's ok I'll just go f*ck myself". It was super cringe and a lot of their fanbase seems to be young.

[@meierphotography1975]

Ok, let's look at it from the artists perspective. It used to be that the artist made money from record sales, and touring/merchandise, etc. Since the spread of music sharing and streaming, nobody buys music anymore... it's free for the taking, and the only way artists can make a living is in merchandise sales anymore. So, if everyone has videos of their shows, pictures of the artists, and sharing the cell phone video of the concert, why would anyone want to spend money to go to a show? Basically people are expecting the artists to toil away creating music for them, yet not allowing them to protect the last thing they have left to earn money from. If you are childishly upset about that, DONT GO TO THE SHOW! I totally disagree with this guy. Artists doubt make money from the record companies these days!!!! Get over it! Eventually this thinking is going to eliminate artists all together, and you'll be listening to AI generated music and nothing more...

[@robertramos6654]

Your 100% correct -for me i guess just won't go to see Ghost after this BS

[@sinakaedwards2009]

I understand why they do it, I also understand why comedians do it. If you see the show before you go to the concert it may ruin the surprise. I personally don't take videos or photos of anything. I have been trying to get a channel started myself, but I am not one to use a phone or camera.

[@ZachAdkinsGuitar]

You absolutely have the right to take photos or not to take photos. But, I don't believe people should be forced to not take photos and pay for an experience they might not want to have.

[@sinakaedwards2009]

@@ZachAdkinsGuitar They have the right to not go.

[@sinakaedwards2009]

With comedians though it can ruin the punchline if the show gets posted on KZbin. If people know the jokes, why would they pay to see the show.

[@XGRIMYONEX]

Seems like we listen to different music but I saw fear, gang green, the dickies,and SLF live in nyc over the past year. Nobody in the front was enjoying the show just a bunch of phones being held up. Lame. At the most I record one song and I take pics with the band after but I don’t watch the show through a phone. I miss the age before cell phones where peoples life. Phones were never a thing at punk shows now it’s just as bad as the mainstream crap. It’s not about caring what others do but it’s hard to watch the show with phones up in your face everywhere.

[@noeditbookreviews]

I saw Neil deGrasse Tyson last year. They actually had plants in the audience to tell people not to film or take any pictures. Of course I did it anyway. Those tickets aren't cheap 🖕

[@marinamcelrea1196]

I think they are planning to sell veeps tickets. So it pushes sales on the watch party tickets