Let's Be Honest About Sonic Frontiers...

[@ThweeDeeEss]

Still waiting on that Sonic game music tier list u brought up in the Unleashed video

[@Waterypeanutbutter]

He will never do it

[@Waterypeanutbutter]

He barely gets any views so I know he sees ur comment but doesn’t acknowledge any at all so he won’t ever make it

[@ThweeDeeEss]

@@Waterypeanutbutter he did when I brought up the WarioWare video that he mentioned in an earlier video

[@repoversemedium]

@@Waterypeanutbutter You know. While you may be true, jinxing is also a thing.

[@MattTOB618]

But that would be pointless; everything except for Sonic Chronicles and some songs from Forces would be S tier.

[@LyokoGem]

You pretty much mirror my exact thoughts when it comes to Eggman and Sage. I love Sage in theory. The idea of Eggman having an AI that eventually begins to develop enough human characteristics and a love for him that they begin to have a father-daughter relationship sounds amazing! But they're just not really in the game enough for me to care all that much. Eggman says "Goodbye, dear daughter..." At the end and that's a line that should've tugged at my heart strings but just kinda left me shrugging like "Meh."

[@rickyvaldez7370]

Not to me I really enjoy that plot and moment don't care about you're opinion on that story for me it's one of the best written stories ever made and I absolutely love Sage and glad she is coming back for more future games she's really awesome character and I really enjoy her development

[@Rishi123456789]

I wish that Sega and Sonic Team had enough courage to permanently kill characters like Shadow and Sage. Don't get me wrong, I love Shadow and Sage. In fact, I wish that Shadow and Sage were permanently killed BECAUSE I love Shadow and Sage. Their sacrifices would be so much more emotional and meaningful if they weren't brought back to life simply because Sega and Sonic Team want to make more money from their popularity. Artistic integrity is more important than making money, in my opinion.

[@gamingwithdream2005]

You'd be surprised to know Kishimoto has confirmed Sonic Frontiers to be the start of a new more, young adult, teenager focused direction for the franchise. They want Classic Sonic to be the kids games and the Modern games to be for the older, veteran crowd. That said, this is why the story is very melancholic and mature. That was the intention because they want Sonic storytelling to be Seinens which are essentially Shonens but for the 16 - 21 year old age range. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, Sonic officially became T-Rated and started adding in things like light swearing and maybe the characters having battle damage and I'd be on board for it. It works out in the Japanese scripts for the games, I don't see why the English scripts should be any different.

[@xKubomi]

sonic going T rated would be fire

[@supermariohack3218]

@@xKubomi Feel like SEGA would be missing out on a lot of potential sales if they made the future games T-Rated. After all, kids also like Sonic. (And recent movies and cartoon are also aimed at a younger audience, so they're probably aware of that.) I also don't really see the value in adding stuff like swears, battle damage and such. As long as the tone of the games and their stories remains relatively mature like in SA1&2 and now Frontiers and as long as the games don't go full-on kiddie mode like Colors and Lost World i'd say we're good.

[@xKubomi]

@@supermariohack3218 eh, it wouldn’t be too bad. many kids play T rated games anyway (fortnite)

[@lilylopnco]

T rated with swearing... *Shadow the Hedgehog flashbacks*

[@supermariohack3218]

@@lilylopnco Yeah, that too. If SEGA added that kinda stuff to Sonic games, it would just come acoss as tryhard and feeling out of place. It might even lead to a second Meta era, considering what happend after the super edgey Shadow the Hedgehog and the melodramatic Sonic 06.

[@theluigifan1]

This game is still fantastic to me and even though I agree there are a fair amount of issues, I enjoyed it to the point where it was the very first game where I got all the achievements on PS4 Also, I never took issue with the references. I personally see it as Ian trying to unify the entire main series and usher in a new cohesive narrative for the series at large. I think references are treated with a lot more vitriol in today’s world than back in the Adventure era because it’s such an easy concept to cash in on for any piece of media. I still love them, though. 🙂

[@Galamoth06]

To be honest it's gotta be the easiest Sonic game to get 100% achievements in. Even Mania is harder to 100%.

[@theluigifan1]

@@Galamoth06 I agree.

[@LateNightHalo]

2:50 honestly I think fast travel is just a bad idea. The fun of a sonic game is movement so basically giving you the ability to “ignore the point of the game” feels counter productive. If you feel like you need to fast travel because moving through the world is boring then that means the world needs more work. I also wish the Cyberspace levels were better. I’ll be honest, the gameplay, momentum and physics are so poor that it ruins what could have been very fun and fluid levels. Sonic is so “start and stop” in terms of his movement and he is so sluggish and slow in his movement that they feel unfinished

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

4:34 When was there grilling in this game? I beat it but must have missed this feature

[@9000MiiSquad]

Its part of the free monster hunter dlc!

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

@@9000MiiSquad thanks!

[@KookieStar]

6:28 NO, JUST, NO! 1-2 WAS ENOUGH FOR ME TO LOSE MY HAIR AND I _DON'T WISH_ FOR ANOTHER ONE LIKE THAT! 💀

[@slickdude1986]

Even though I like Sonic Frontiers, it's really frustrating to try and get an S rank for this stage

[@superfandesonic1]

Completely agree with your stance! It saddens me that some stuff doesn't seem finished, while the rest of the game is really good. The fact that they had scrapped the game and started from scratch, and that sega didn't want to give sonic team more time to finish the game, makes me think they were going really strong with it and then they couldn't polish the last part of the game because of the deadlines :(

[@kirotalksyt]

Yeah, it is unfortunate cause I do see the care that went into the game.

[@oceanman6973]

It’s one of those games where yeah, it has issues, but the good stuff is just too badass to call it a bad game

[@Galamoth06]

It's a bad game though.

[@oceanman6973]

@@Galamoth06 BUT, super sonic fights are awesome, and totally worth the play through

[@grr8905]

@@Galamoth06 nah

[@Galamoth06]

@@oceanman6973 The music and cutscenes are good but the actual fights are mostly just mashing the attack button, holding down the parry stance, and quick time events. They're just as automated as the rest of the game.

[@oceanman6973]

@@Galamoth06 BUT, *badass*

[@nightlydata2181]

Wut Sonic team needs is MANPOWER. We have a team of 60(almost mostly newby sonic) devs workin on a AAA GAME while also havin to release the game on almost EVERY DEVICE under the sun(OG Xbone/PS4-Series X/PS5, THE SWITCH, & PC), While doin wut Sonic Team does best doin somethin completely diff that No ones done before(atleast not quite like them). It's hard to compare to somethin like GoW: Ragnarok which has the EXACT opposite situation i.e. HAS EVERYTHIN goin for it. But while not exactly even a 9 for me I love this game & the overall direction of the franchise & if they take the bulk of the criticisms (they prob will) & SEGA HIRES MORE they'll do Amazin next time(I alr believe they did great despite it bein ROUGH imo). I have a few issues wit the story like wit wut they do wit Tails feels like an overcorrection for the past decade & that part in particular feels like Ian Flynn bein like "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M FIXIN IT THAT'S COOL RIGHT?" Completely forgettin Tails HAS been on his own before like say UNLEASHED. Tails was done "well" for the most part I feel but it wasn't so much execution or intentions but direction that bothers me. Puttin so much attention to the "inconsistency" doesn't help & only tends to backtrack his character to Adv 1 days which now that I think bout it might be the point for everyone to some degree. A spiritual reset that only regards the 2010's beyond the offhand reference cus that's wut ppl didn't like. U can def tell Ian Flynn is tryin little by little is tryin to insert HIS SONIC into the writin & even shows this wit the random refences to boom/idw stuff that wasn't a thing before like tangle/sticks. He's luckily bein held back by the overall plot by SEGA he still has to work under but who knows how long that'll last. Sometimes the writin feels like the WRITERS talkin to u DIRECTLY instead of lettin it jus play out in the story naturally. I'd have jus done Sonic lookin behind tails in slight amazement before smirkin at how focused tails is at the task. The references R great & I LOVE the continuity but that suffers a similar issue to a less egregious degree like when they haphazardly mentioned Dark Gaia jus cus they couldn't find a better way to integrate it. It jus feels so tongue in cheek like "don't wanna piss off unleashed fans"(I'm Unleashed fans & I'm pissed now so good job). Also Sages' relationship wit Eggman while endearin comes off a little cheep & is also HELLA inconsistent wit the egghead for the past 30+yrs(I like Sage though). Knuckles was good don't get me wrong but he's def the more openly introverted type than Sonic is so him outright sayin he envies Sonic feels slightly out of character & I don't think it would be that hard to "fix" this, jus change/add a few parts while keepin the same overall conversation. Amy feels like her Boom self to an extent which makes sense but I think that's fine since Boom Amy is my fav ver(actually was wut got me to like/understand main Amy after hatin her for yrs lol)but I will miss her more loud hyperactive self in the older 3D games(such character progression on my part lol). Initially I was worried for the story CUS It was Ian Flynn, I got a love hate relationship wit his writin in IDW after bingin the past 50 odd issues. He created & I kid u not THE ABSOLUTE WORST "SONIC" I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE! I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT'S ACTUALLY SONIC JUS SOME OBOMINATION THAT WEARS HIS SKIN THERE TO FRAME HIMSELF AS SUCH! But aside from mostly that in particular I can't deny he & his team know the characters really well for the most part. He's a really "good" writer but not the best "Sonic" writer imo. I'll say that while NOT "perfect" Frontiers Sonic is technically much better than before(even though I don't hate meta era Sonic lol(aside from Lost world). He feels like a nice in-between of OG/Meta era Sonic which is nice (Meta era Sonic has never outright gone against anythin that makes sonic, sonic & surprisingly keep a lot intact in the most subtle of ways despite the writers mostly never bein that familiar wit the games till maybe forces). This game from gameplay to story is the most ambitious since 06 & the third most ambitious of ALL the games under Adventure 1/06 & Imo it succeeds at it overall & I'm excited for the next thing to come but all this has made me come to a realization... Western writers shouldn't touch sonic games no matter how well they know the universe/characters or how "good" of a writer they R. I think it'd be best to jus leave it to Japanese writers mainly CUS of the way they write (that in particular is somethin hard to explain even if u're a weeb like me lol). They seemed to have a "finesse" to writin Sonic not jus in games but any media by them & always keep consistent to a surprisin degree(there felt like unspoken nuance to it). Western writers can't do it the same cus their priorities R diff. Sonic from the beginnin has always had trouble from the first game wit translatin himself over & funnily enough it wasn't till 06 where that was finally bein fixed for the main games but that only lasted till 2010 where SEGA tried addressin ppl's "issues" wit 2000's Sonic stuff & we're only jus fixin it now after a decade cus they were too afraid. & by usin Ian Flynn for writin it shows they still somewhat R. I jus hope the award they'll get for this doesn't get taken too far like wit Lost-World/Forces but the difference is the issues now will be so subtle unlike before even Sonic fans won't see an issue overall. I really liked the more questions than answers approach lore stuff with the Emeralds. I don't EVER want a true answer on wut they R or where they come from beyond the vaguest possibilities. From wut I can tell the ancients didn't CREATE them they jus used them before anyone we've known up to this point(which kinda leaves the Gaia temples up in the air but whateves ig). & EVEN THEN the M.E. IS STILL a HUGE MYSTERY cus IT WAS ON EARTH 1ST! I was initially VERY worried but save for wut may come in the future I LOVED THIS APPROACH SO MUCH! I liked CS at the end despite agreein it's the worst part. The reused level design wit these controls is so unique in a fun way despite the awkwardness. That Should prob control either more like pure boost(say colors) or the open zone(FUCK THE DRIFT STAGE THO). No more SS/CP(I've given up on GH lol). While the 2D stages were the worst part of CS(I have NO issue wit 2D in modern Sonic AT ALL) for me I really liked it in Chaos Island(really adds to the Chaos lol) tho I admit it can be a bit much sometimes & ur not always afforded an easy exit when u enter accidentally. Chaos also prob should've had a diff sign to indicate if there was a collectable or a traversal object(i.e. springs etc.) to cyloop on the ground. I liked Unleashed combat more(despite not bein the best at DMC/GoW kind've games) but Frontiers has a mostly simpler "Sonic'y" approach that'll prob work for more ppl especially cus it's more directly integrated without havin to "completely change character/playstyle"(tho the parry is a bit too easy to use especially on hard where at least there they def could've tightened the window a bit). I think the last 2 "Islands" should've stayed as 1 but SEGA prob really wanted that "5 Island" headline as a strong markettin ploy. I also really liked the Final Final boss bein a Toho bullet-hell Ikaruga kinda thing(felt like somethin outta Nier). Though I did get the feelin playin it there was somethin missin(like there was supposed to be 1 extra faze that would truly cap it off that was left out purposefully). I think boost in Open Zone is nice but could do more, 1. Make the "super boost" mode after Ring collectin allow u to walk on water, 2. Let that same boost damage enemies a little(like a combo starter). It's def weird that that the boost won't jus go without needin the stick & I'm not the biggest fan. More carry over from jumps like other boost games would help immensely(It's a little too hard to make simple jumps over small gaps). Arcade mode could def use additions in the form of Boss Rush, the pinball minigame, & toho space shootin. GIVE ME PROPER DRIFT FOR CS AT LEAST! (more in reply)

[@nightlydata2181]

I wanna talk bout the Jp script for a moment I LOVE THIS SCRIPT WAY MORE THAN WUT FLYNN COOKED UP The dialogue can be hella stilted, awkward, & unfittin at times(no shortage in-part cus the cutscenes were made purely for the eng script & nothin else). Despite that while there R a few moments I think flow better in eng, most of the Changes Jp makes have a MUCH better flow in the story for me(I actually didn't laugh at the Sage cryin scene wit the song/flashbacks from 5-20 mins ago for once lol. Since the context is diff it's less jarrin) Amy, Tails, & Eggman R the MAIN highlights for me. Amy is more consistent wit her character & WAY less vague bout the love shit she was spoutin & the change her journey wit her Koco brings great buildup to it. Eggman is WAY more subtle AND MORE BUILT UP towards his newfound care for Sage which is SO MUCH more consistent wit this 30+ yr character who's never cared for anyone but himself & his pride in his extraordinary creations(the final scene where eggman reaches out for Sage before pullin back & clenchin his fist hits WAY harder). I HATED THE BIG TAILS CUTSCENE that deals wit his character near the end. Havin his character become "inconsistent" is retarded. The changes aren't even huge on a surface level but usin the Koco to help show Tails has his own way of doin things that work for him same as Sonic is WAY better. The eng script was an overcorrection that hurt his character more than it helped imo. Even the way Sage is has a lot of cool changes from her bein more direct bout murderin sonic(lol(& more calculative soundin most of the game overall) to the way She describes him throughout the journey bout how he won't stop runnin even if it kills him cus that's the only way to make sure he doesn't die which to me holds more weight than "Farewell Hero"(they even made the "Goals" reference scene better by addin in the animal capsules lol... SPEAKIN OF). THE WAY REFERENCES R HANDLED IS WAY BETTER cus instead of jus haphazardly tossin any callback in at places it's unnecessary(fortunes, DARK GAIA, STICKS) they're only brought to bring context, info, & elaboration on current events yet R still plentiful to a bearable/highly appreciable degree. The Scene where Amy, Tails & K(heh) save sonic from the cyber-corruption is explained WAY BETTER & thus doesn't come off as a pure "Friendship" cliché (It still is but u get me) & the cheesy music DIDN'T help the eng script imo. Knuckles is the weirdest for me but overall I'd say they're bout equal in things I liked/disliked(his was the only 1 in Eng I had little to no issue wit minus this ONE bit of dialogue but I love the very diff direction Jp takes it too). The Jp script was able to make Flynns Script "SO MUCH BETTER" & keep MOST of it intact while not steppin all over his toes & I didn't think it would be possible without a massive do-over yet THIS WORKS SO WELLL(again minus the stuff I mentioned at the beginnin)! Sry for the essay but I needed to air my grievances/worries before I switch gears &... CONTINUE TO PRAISE THE FUCK OUTTA THIS GAME CUS SONIC IS TRULY BACK BABY WOOOOOOO

[@stewboy69]

why did you have to make a long paragraph

[@nightlydata2181]

@@stewboy69 cus I have a lot of thoughts & I want to express them all. This ain't even all of it but youtube has a character limit

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@nightlydata2181 You should make a Video

[@AziDoesQuestionableThings]

@@Terminal_Apotos I agree, dude clearly has a lot to talk about.

[@CSS-Tails_Forever]

I can't wait to get Sonic Frontiers for Christmas! Hope you all have a great Christmas!

[@kirotalksyt]

You too! Merry Christmas~

[@cassiedevereaux-smith3890]

idk, I think everyone would realize she's coming back, so why pretend? I mean, Shadow was back in the next game, and while Sage isn't playable, I think it's apparent that nobody's gonna stay dead. Like in most serialized media. Dead is rarely if ever dead.

[@SwayDayGuy]

Tbh The game IS good but I never had a honeymoon phase with this game. Still I don't blame people rating a 7 or 9 out of 10. For me the game is a 8/10 Good first attempt at something that could be improved on

[@shipperina2213]

Same here's, personally I rate the game 6-7/10, it is a good game, but it isn't my style of game. I prefer story more than game play, you know?

[@sonixx3272]

@@shipperina2213 I love story telling I think Frontiers has a good story but it's not the best it's just good the ending of the games story kinda felt rushed tbh

[@shipperina2213]

@@sonixx3272 true, honestly the story telling was just ok, like it could be way better, but for what it is I think it works to show that this is a new era for Sega

[@Galamoth06]

Considering you can just do cyloops in place for a few seconds to easily max out your rings at any time for the max speed boost, I kind of wonder why they bothered having a speed level up system at all. Or why I would want to upgrade ring capacity beyond 400 when doing so just makes it take longer to get to max level, and 400 is already more than enough for the bosses. Especially since it takes almost 40 minutes to level up both speed and ring capacity from 1 to 99. There is no reason it should take so damn long when the attack and defense upgrades are simultaneous. It makes no sense.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

I agree with some of your points like the pop-ins, 2D segments in the open environment, the pinball mini game with the stupid 5000000 score requirement or the use of the Ikaruga mini game as the final boss (it's fun mechanically and acceptable as a mini-game during islands exploration, but a typical super Sonic encounter would've been preferable). However, I have to disagree with some of your points too: 1. Giving you fast travel after you fully mapped the island and not after you completed a cyberspace level is a smart move because it makes the hunting for memory tokens much easier, since you'll likely do that after the emerald vaults. Giving you fast travel to everywhere so early is counter-intuitive to exploration. BOTW gave you fast travel to every shrine or divine beast you encountered, but that map is also much bigger and BOTW is far slower paced. Sonic Frontiers wants to keep you at a fast paced gameplay at any possible moment, so it makes sense not getting fast travel so quickly to run in the environment more. 2. Big's fishing game is supposed to be that simple to dis-encourage playing it constantly. It can give you so many rewards with ease that it may break the game if you play it enough times. If it was more exciting and addicting, it would've encouraged players to play it more and thus broke the game's balancing. I mean, speedrunners barely play Ouranos island because you get so many tokens from Big and can buy all the collectables you need for story progression. All in all, it's there if you want to try it out, and ease on exploration if you want a break, but it's nothing more than a side activity. 3. I guess I can understand where you are coming from with the night time map revealing spots, but if you remember where they are you can go straight to them when night time starts (though a time changing mechanic would've been welcomed). 4. The problem with being able to level up speed/ring capacity only 1 level at a time is because these 2 stats share the same requirement: kocos. Power and defense have 2 different mcguffins so it's easy for the game to register them. However, let's say you have 450 kocos (you need 15 to level up) and you want to level up speed by 25 levels and ring capacity by 5 levels. How can the game know that? It must have 2 different slots to choose between and register level ups seperately to make sure you level up stats the way you want to. The REAL issue is the way they handled it. They could've made it so after you choose a stat you want to level up, a secondary menu appears that asks you how many levels you want to level up that stat (also telling you how many kocos it requires). That way you have more agency over stats leveling, while making the process faster. Another thing they could've done is to cut the slide telling you which level you leveled up to since you can see it in the bottom left side of the screen. There's a mod that does that and it speeds up the process by a great margin. 5. I get why Rhea island may seem initially disappointing for some players, but I enjoy it as it's own kind of "climb the towers" activity. 4 major explorable islands is enough, and Rhea is merely a bonus for me. I look at this game as a "4 islands exploration game, with a break segment in between Chaos island and Ouranos island". 6. Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos were originally meant to be all just 1 islands, but seperating them was the right call IMO. Starting the game with an island like Kronos (not too big nor too small) is good to ease on the players before Ares or Chaos, which are much larger. Starting the game on an island with the size of Kronos, Rhea and Ouranos combined may be overwhelming.

[@kirotalksyt]

This was well thought out and written, so I appreciate the comment. Here's my two cents: 1. At least for me, I did really want to explore the island but I found it a pain to have to go through areas I already fully explored just to get to the new locations. I feel like fast travel would keep the fast pace of the game up by letting you get to the new stuff quicker. 2. In that case, do you think it'd be better if the rewards they gave weren't progression related like the Gears, Keys, and Tokens were? That way you can still get Power and Defense seeds, meaning there's still a reason to play it without it breaking the game. 3. Nothing really to say here lol 4. Yeah I agree, there should be a secondary menu. Also they could just use different McGuffins for Ring Capacity. 5. If it came across as me thinking Rhea was disappointing, then sorry, that's not what I believe! I like Rhea Island, I just thought it was weird how it's the only island in the game that's super linear, no Cyberspace levels, no minibosses, etc. Also I just wish it was different visually from Kronos and Ouranos. 6. Oh really? I didn't know they were all meant to be one island. Once again, great comment! Have a good one.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@kirotalksyt 1. I would've said the same in any other open world game, but this is a Sonic game so you cover ground very quickly. Going back to previously explored locations to see stuff I missed on was never tiresome for me because I reached where I wanted relatively fast. If this was Assassin's Creed or MGS5 though... yeah. 2. Nah, it should just stay as it is now. The whole point is that it can ease on exploration a bit. You mostly explore the open zone, and if you want you do some fishing for memory tokens and vault keys. Cutting story related mcguffins from his shop will make it too uninteresting to even try out. I know you complained it's too simple, but that's the very reason why it is that way. You don't have to fish if you don't want to. I played Frontiers' main campaign 3 times by now and the last 2 didn't have any fishing in them. 5. Rhea is empty, but not linear. If you want, you can climb the towers in any order you want. 6. It's a fans' speculation. No proofs were found, but you can see where they are coming from.

[@FloofPuppy]

Generations and Unleashed is still my personal favorites in the modern era. They just control better and feel so much faster to speed through. Frontiers has good ideas but butchers 90% of them badly. Especially the Cyberspace levels. I hate them so much.

[@buhbuh1727]

The game isn't bad, but it feels above average to me. Gameplay in open zone: While MUCH better than cyberspace and the player controls how Sonic feels, he decelerates way too fast, and momentum is nearly nonexistent. Momentum is placed in questionable spots too, like why does jumping off a rail save most of your velocity, but a boost jump does not? Also, there's an awkward slowdown after releasing the boost. He also interacts with the terrain horribly, his CharController is glued to the ground, and this makes the player bounce up out of nowhere sometimes. Rails for fast traveling is a weird choice when Sonic himself should be a form of fast travel, from the nature of his character, it makes sense. The rails have no sorta of immersion, and they're placed everywhere (and ofc the rail switching inconvenience thing.) I believe an adventure styled approach to the gameplay would help remedy this. Cyber Space Stages: I personally don't like them, mostly, I don't like the physics of them. I enjoyed 1-2 to an extent because it was the hardest one, but the physics are abysmal. GHZ, CPZ, SSZ, and City Level are the only reoccurring stage themes and it gets iffy at times. They don't have much merits on their own because every level's layout is taken from loved games in the series, that handled controls a lot better. Combat is actually solid. I wouldn't mind if they kept this style of fighting whenever they do choose to do combat in sonic games. Although I do prefer the werehog for it's depth, and combo variety, Frontiers takes a different approach where it makes every move connect to any other move, and everything is cancellable. Its a good move, but I hope they add more moves, since they are easily unlockable and it happens early. Story: Story is interesting, it goes back into "dark" storytelling, and it builds on top of previously established lore. My issue with it lies in how.. it feels like it tries to be too deep. (its hard to describe) and the game rushes it too much near the end. Speaking of The End, the boss is very anti-climactic. I also don't find that statement of "The End is what the person envisions" (or something like that) satisfying. The OST is definitely a step up from Forces, but I didn't click with a majority of the music. I give the game a 7.2/10, I stayed pretty consistent since the game's release.

[@Sly88Frye]

You know it was honestly really interesting to finish watching the review of this game by LS mark and then watch your review and see these two different perspectives and what you both felt the same on

[@JustJulyo]

We've been through this cycle before with Sonic Unleashed so we'll see if it breaks the cycle

[@UnoTheSmartGuy]

When you reach lv99 speed you are always in power boost mode

[@waypastcoolkid]

I’ll have to agree on most of your points except the story, especially on Sage. I actually liked both.

[@playstation.e7703]

14:50 but on the bright side this could signify the ends return

[@ElSenorMrTaco]

Strongly agree with the Sage arc, I found it quite strange how Eggman suddenly started calling her daughter at the end when no where in the previous cutscenes did he even imply her to be that to him. I did collect the egg memos but I couldn't figure out how to view them, there was a tab next to the fishopedia but I couldn't switch to it.

[@Handepsilon]

that's... weird. Have you tried selecting left and right on the top menu?

[@ykgcaramel6515]

That’s the whole point The game builds up their relationship as at the start it’s almost business-like and Eggman hardly talks to her, but later on we see them just conversing regularly, and him even saying she’s proud of him. Then the egg memos further adding to that

[@ElSenorMrTaco]

@@Handepsilon of course, I was playing the PC version with an xbox controller. That version didn't even allow you to go full screen without crashing, thanks to the steam forums we found a workaround thankfully.

[@ElSenorMrTaco]

@@ykgcaramel6515 There's nothing implying that in the cutscenes until the last cutscenes, it was just a sudden shift, no ease in and it felt forced.

[@Handepsilon]

​@@ElSenorMrTaco That's weird because my PC version ran just fine. The only thing I had to do was force the game to use my NVidia. After that it ran decently mostly without any crashes (I think I count like 3 times) I was also playing with a bootleg PlayStation controller and there was no issue with the UI there

[@HaitaniMasayuki]

The thing about the upcoming DLCs that worry me a bit... DLC pack 2 has a birthday special thing going on? Sonic's birthday is in June... if we use that as a rought time estimation then we will probably wait for a good 8 more months until we've got those other "playable characters". (I hope I'm wrong on that estimation)

[@SuperSireBoyYT]

The playable characters will probably be a holiday thing since its going to be a very anticipated update, the devs will need time to get it right (i hope), and that just makes since from the marketing side of things. Bring the whole launch year together with the big “anniversary update” or something

[@ykgcaramel6515]

Well yeah did you expect them to just cook up 3 new playable characters and a new story mode in 2 months lmao

[@HaitaniMasayuki]

@@ykgcaramel6515 campaigns like these usually/ideally get planned long in advance. That's why I'm so surprised. Of course they will take more than two months to roll this out, that's why I would have expected this to have started development way earlier, so it can be launched sooner. As I said, I'm just worried because of this long delay. Like, will people still care in a year about this? I'm sure I will, and the kind of people that would check out videos like this. But if that's enough to be worthwhile? Either way looking forward to it!

[@sonixx3272]

"Sonic's birthday is in June" so is mine XD

[@Zaphod-ef9yz]

After playing through this game, I enjoyed it. There was a couple of niggles but they were minor. An interesting thing I found with it though is similar to what I thought in the reveal trailers. This game seems to genuinely share some core ideas with Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric. - Technology fused with old architecture, structures and aesthetics very similar - The "Ancients" were first referenced in Boom - Specific types of surfaces for climbing - The trecking from one area to another in the same "Island" to complete tasks. - Emeralds being in Vaults. - The Ring Cap and the abundance of said rings. - Combat moves for fighting - Collectables such as machine parts and skill points etc. - Those chess board like 'puzzles' you do on the floors - Large bosses like that massive metal worm etc which is similar to the titans idea I can't help but wonder, given Boom was originally called "Synergy" and was going to be an origin story if this is more like what they were originally going for before the game had its life and soul stripped out of it?

[@retrocar7761]

Who cares if it has issues? I thought it was a great experience playing it, if a game puts a smile on my face, that all that matters to me.

[@maximumpink8487]

If a game has issues then it's completely valid to criticize said issues. That doesn't necessarily mean the critic hates the game in any way, they're just pointing out the problems the game has. Criticisms lead to better games

[@ElectrikStatik900]

@@maximumpink8487 Facts.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

We need to Criticize it so Sonic Team Knows what to fix or improve on. Kishimoto said Frontiers is a Sort of Global Play test so it’s important we do so.

[@etndoo]

I care that it has issues

[@skunthundler]

Most critical sonic fan

[@mrdbtkh]

15:07 Literally Shadow the Hedgehog 😂

[@sonixx3272]

My issues with Frontiers are what I consider big problems with the game •the pop in is distracting it's hard to pay attention to the game when stuff is just popping into existence right in front of you I think it needs to be fixed •Reah and Oronos island should probably be there own islands instead of Kronos island part 2 and 3 it's kinda missed potential for those two islands just being the same as Kronos •Fix the Supreme and THE END and make them more climatic. There's probably more issues with the game that I probably don't know about but that's it.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

I really like the Game but it has Some Big Flaws, I’m currently working on a Video that breaks down everything Wrong with Sonic’s Controls/Physics in Cyberspace.

[@littenfire3563]

4:54 because it's for the sake of variety so you're not brain dead just running constantly

[@EvilBender555]

I think I’ll just wait for the goty version

[@Galamoth06]

Hahahaha that's priceless 🤣

[@PointingouttheObvious]

The thing is with the mini games the game would be worst with out it. This games gamplay loop is inherently repetitive so they need to space it out with a distraction. Everything besides the pinball is really short so I don’t see the issue

[@kirotalksyt]

I guess I'm fine with Frontiers' gameplay loop as is. I love just running around through fun obstacle courses. I don't mind a distraction or two, I just personally wasn't a fan of many of the distractions in Frontiers.

[@Scrubber89]

My biggest complaint was having to level up 1 level at a time with the elder Koco. The fact that you can level up so quickly with the other Koco makes the elder one a massive oversight. Pretty much enjoyed everything else.

[@Galamoth06]

Wanna go fast? Gotta stand still for 20 minutes straight. Even the dialogue window takes too long to load.

[@samueltreminivalle3494]

That’s getting patched tomorrow thankfully

[@Scrubber89]

@@samueltreminivalle3494 too late for me but good for people who haven't played it yet

[@siahteb9702]

While the games good, it does feel unfinished because it was, the devs tried to get as much as they could before release which hopefully explains why some parts of the game feel weird.

[@RHiscool19]

hey just letting you know, they fixed the thing with elder koco in the latest update

[@RikiZ8]

I had one night challenge left in the map before moving on, I left Sonic standing there pick up my Bluetooth headphones and went to eat dinner, when I came back it eas night in the game lol. They really should have just not make challenges night exclusive there is no reason to, or let change manually time of the day in options menu.

[@PilaCiu]

You should've said "NO MORE COMPROMISE, THIS IS DO OR DIE" in the intro lmao

[@Nickika]

I actually want to provide some criticism to the story, it seems like the story is very self aware of the Sonic Franchise, the whole story is kind of saying "sorry" but if you want to really be sorry, don't make the story say it, just make a great story that shows its sorry without telling you it is, because great stories mostly relies on showing and not telling, that is why quiet films can show better what it is trying to say than a story that is yapping all the time. The story is also aware that everything will always turn out to be good, which makes it harder to invest on the story knowing everything will be fine, and I know all hero stories are like that, but when the characters themselves say "everything will be alright because" it makes the tension go away. Like I already said, the story has to show me everything will be alright, without it telling me "everything will be all right" and it has to be right at the end of the story so that I can feel the tension they are trying to make make feel.

[@rickster008]

the more i think about it , the end boss is so out landish, if you played sa2 you can see how big the space colony on the ark, the end is just as big as the ark,how did a veery very small hedgehog plow threw the end so easy.

[@BKLYN48]

I got used to the pop in and stoped caring about it

[@nolansmith64]

in the later islands i couldn’t stand being forced into a 2D perspective, i swear that didn’t happen in the first 2 islands

[@legofan9606]

Sonic Frontiers is a great game but there is one thing that it needs a way you can fight the titans again that will be great

[@littenfire3563]

The Pinball was fun! I liked the mini games to take a break from the Open World

[@saeedahmed_40]

I wished sonic had better momentum in cyberspace

[@Galamoth06]

I wish Sonic had momentum in Sonic Frontiers

[@BKLYN48]

I love this game a lot but yes you’re so correct ☠️

[@jamison8706]

Counterpoint to the shoot em up segments is that it reminded me of Nier and how one of it's endings is a shoot em up, granted not on the same scale as Nier but I thought it was commendable from sonic team. But that's how I thought when that gameplay switch up happened, everything else you said as well as what others say about the game is understandable.

[@littenfire3563]

7:20 it's Metal. Not edgy rock music

[@TheReZisTLust]

It's good enough for me to get a second time after Switch while letting me be customizable in speed and that's good enough.

[@kylerichings3065]

can't believe nobody talks about the game going from 3d to 2d is a sonic forces reference did we really hate that game so much that no one even remembers?

[@Mo-.]

I will say the references were almost mandatory for this game so I don’t really understand how anyone can be annoyed with it. It’s not like they reference the whole series constantly in Sonic stories and it’s quite clear that the main reason they did it here was so that Ian could some what connect and clear up continuity issues, which has been something that these games have needed since post Sonic Colors since Sonic stories had gone to shit at that point

[@RightNowsReverie]

Sorry that I haven't watched your videos in A LONG time, Kiro. I've been busy. But aside from that yeah, Frontiers is still a great game. It has plenty of issues, but that gotta do with that there's more to be desire, and Sonic was never a perfect franchise. But I am hopeful for this new direction. Don't completely agree that Sonic should've crumbled when being fully corrupted, leading him to despair and misery. And revealing that he has struggles being a hero. There's a great video that talks about his character and why it's important. I'll go ahead and link it. But I'll say is that I still agree on everything you said. Definitely think his friends should've done more to save him, rather than holding hands (and it's a big shame that we didn't get a new form). Overall, take care Kiro kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGm4oWSee9hghbc

[@os9077]

Frontiets is easily the biggest and best Sonic game

[@Hanto6974]

The games is one of the best in the series, but I think I'm the only one that thought the more I thought about the story, the more I feel the series just needs a hard reboot.

[@wuba5456]

I'd love a hard reboot too honestly, the Classic and Adventure games would be a nice foundation to keep but especially with seeing how many fan rewrites and IDW writing have been so much more coherent and enjoyable really makes me wish the games didn't go the way they did

[@Hanto6974]

@@wuba5456 Don't get me wrong, I think on its own the execution of Tails, Knuckles, and Amy were near perfect, but then I look back on the other games that this is canon with and go "Why does Knuckles want to leave his Island if he's barely there in the games?" or "Is Tails' actions in Forces and Frontiers fine or out of character? and is out of character bad or for the purpose of a character arc?"

[@wuba5456]

@@Hanto6974 Honestly, the whole Knuckles' island thing is one of the (albeit smaller) reasons why I'd like a reboot haha, trying to justify his appearance every time (or just leaving it out because it's too difficult) is very annoying. I remember a video on what an SA3 story could be like, they quickly just thought "how about Tikal could tell Knuckles that with Chaos gone he doesn't need to guard the Master Emerald anymore" and that's such a nice easy fix I wish I could go back and have that be. Another instance of fans thinking good ideas from Garrulous64's 06 rewrite "well, it's Soleanna, Blaze guards the Sol Emeralds, why can't this be her and her kingdom?" instead of dealing with Elise. Just changes like this to tighten everything, use the characters... there's so much potential here Sorry for mini-essay... but also Tails in Forces was absolutely OOC no matter how future games will try to add 'character growth' and make it seem better lol

[@At-px6rm]

If they make sonic frontier 2 give there personality back

[@supermike12321]

this video is hitting all the exact same points as me man

[@deslardesslok]

18 HOURS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@fletcherswag]

Good video

[@deslardesslok]

11:04a.m. 12/23/2022

[@k0rra-zkl]

for chirsmas i was supose to get sonic frontiers but it was out of stock so now i have get splatoon 3 and i regert that

[@Sonic171K]

Frontiers isn't in my top ten. Still a somewhat good but flawed game. I don't get much enjoyment from it. Especially as a console player with no mods to improve the game.

[@andarilho_31]

Well I do believe it's one of the best Sonic games ever. It's not THE best, but to me it's up there

[@CassiusStelar]

Wow. Asserting your opinion as fact

[@technicalzombie921]

i really wanted to like this game but i just couldnt. i wish i couldve got further in but an hour in told me enough that i wanted to refund.

[@Austinator0630]

Sonic Frontiers is merely more evidence to prove Sega co-founder David Rosen right.

[@themissingbits6375]

Good video as always, i Will say This i do dissagre about the story. It … Eh … To me. First off Im not a Big fan of the tone, i have no problems with an Sonic story that takes itself serious (Well they do have flaws but you know What i mean) but one thing i really liked about these stories was that While the stor could be Dark, Sonic & Gang is still “Hey Mr President, hey hey hey” They do have serious moment yes but it like if Mickey mouse was in a Dark game, i find that very amusing. But in Frontiers all the characthers are so melancholy, And the voice direction also feels very flat, they just feels so off to me, like i rerember a cutscene Got leaked and you could only see the subtitels and i read it with their normal voices, not These mature voices. And i dont like it, I also dislike What they did with Amy in this game, the cat & mouse dymanic is gone with Sonic & Amy, not to mention her happy personallyty is just kinda … Gone. I mean she Can be happy but like … This is not Amy to me. Like i like that she loves love and all, but in that cutscene where she is sitting on the grass, i was like “Who is This?” The “Characther arks” does not work in This story, In one cutscene Tails mention something about Infinite, and Then the next about him being talking how inconsistent he has been. We dont get the time to see the characthers develop, i like the arks they are going for but they dont do much with it, (Also i dissagre about Sonic, Sonic is the type of characther who never changes, He is the one who helps people(s) problems, You Can see that in Sonic 2,Rush,Rush Adventure,Unleashed Black knight. Not in a Superhero Way, but in a Way where Sonic helps Them with no real reasons, he does What he wants, Your ideas kinda betrayes What Sonic actually is, Watch “What is about Sonic” made by Pariah695 and you Will see What i mean) But yeah the coruption sucked, completly agree on the Sage & Eggman stuff. I also have an problem with the refrences, for me Im fine with it, but for someone who knows nothing about Sonic, a lot of the refrences is just random shit they are talking about. What is a gun anyway lol, i also dont like how many plot points of This story are taken from other games, like it has happent before but before it was not “Bad” or something that ruins the story, but in This game there is a lot of it, the final climax is basically SA2 but worse, Tails(s) ark is SA1 but worse, And riders did it sorta too but it also did in it own cool Way, here it all stuff we have seen before but worse. I dont hate the story, there are some stuff that i like, The game take place on an Island kinda like a classic Sonic game, the dialouge is good, and the Egg memos are great, And the super Sonic fights are awesome moments in the story, it just that there is a lot of problems that make the story pretty average to me

[@lamiamekni2802]

*sigh* come on universe, give Sonic a break

[@fletcherswag]

Ok

[@shipperina2213]

Personally sonic frontiers is mid for me, it isn't amazing or mind blowing in any capacity, it just does the bare minimum of what you should expect from a sonic game. Such as the characters being in character (something which the games lacked for a long time now). Many things have their issues, the one I hate the most is how much the other characters have been sidelined with no important role other than "you can do it sonic! You can beat death" and Sonic does through the power of friendship. Honestly I was expecting a SATBK situation in which you can play as all the characters one by one and the way to help sonic is to focus their energy in a specific point as the time runs out situation. Instead it was an underwhelming pep talk, if you get what I am saying. Speaking of underwhelming, the boss battle was just ridiculous in my opinion, there is nothing separating that boss battle with a game I can download on my phone since I was 3. This is no hate to the game, I just find it doing the bare minimum while somehow being overrated.

[@alfdad4264]

make a video about your your unpopular sonic opinions

[@kirotalksyt]

Oooooh boy that's something I've considered but I know the wrath of Sonic fans is deadly.

[@jakebresslerkrispy4953]

your banned from the frontiers :( but your a great channel

[@fletcherswag]

🧐🧐🧐

[@vibingone101]

I hate when I try to find the bathroom just to get transported to a different place entirely and some floating child yells at me to get out

[@jakebresslerkrispy4953]

@@vibingone101 IM NOT YOUR F****** DAD

[@OnePolishMoFo]

I love this game to death. It's up there with SA1 and 2. I have exactly two nitpicks though. The cutscene where Tails has his heart to heart with Sonic is glorious. Saying he wants to go out on his own for a while and become his own hero. You love to see it. But then in the same scene it's sort of ruined by Sage's cheesy song and flashback. Take out that bit and the scene becomes perfect. Second is Sonic becoming corrupted only to be saved by the power of friendship seconds later. Making the huge plot point of Sonic dying a complete non issue. My idea is that Eggman needs to be the one that fixes Sonic. Eggman laughs at the sight of his friend's attempt to bring him back. But Sage would point out that they can't fix Sonic but Eggman can. She pleas to Eggman to restore Sonic. He refuses at first but then begrudgingly does it and does his "induction into the Eggman Empire" thing. Sonic giving him that cocky grin.

[@brunomadureira9502]

Metal not rock lol

[@hrkinezz4419ez]

gaemr

[@jakebresslerkrispy4953]

*gamer*

[@WohaoG]

@@jakebresslerkrispy4953 you're

[@hrkinezz4419ez]

@@WohaoG double u

[@randomistough0]

don't worry you'll get used to the sonic fans overrating any sonic game in existence. sorry sonic 2 fans but it's not even remotely close to being the best sonic game ever

[@erikbihari3625]

Vanilla,mid,soulless,tired,directionless? Because good isn't exactly something you can wholeheartedly describe it as, honestly looks closer to Sonic Omens in graphics and execution!

[@littenfire3563]

No

[@erikbihari3625]

@@littenfire3563Yes it is!

[@jakebresslerkrispy4953]

@FletchEB android emoji lol

[@marvelousball]

Compared to forces it's a fucking masterpiece

[@At-px6rm]

If they make sonic frontier 2 give there personality back