Let's Imagine a World Without Emulation

An examination of how Nintendo's crackdowns on fan projects and emulation are hurting gaming. Support: / nerrel Discord: / discord
I've purchased all games emulated on this channel (when sold), so stuff it. The ads are the result of Leroy Anderson claiming the video, not me, so double stuff it.
NOTE: A clip of the original upload was removed at 10:18 because it contained a 2016 claim by Frank Cifaldi that Nintendo had downloaded a ROM online and sold it on the virtual console service. Recent updates cast doubt on the claim and I decided it was best to omit it entirely, which is why the cut is awkward there.
Frank Cifaldi's GDC talk (well worth viewing): • "It's Just Emulation!"...

[@pjemrey6676]

"Should I download roms?" Nerrel: "the law requires that I answer no"

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

I mean, Free speech laws allow you to say yes, but doing so can easily get him sued.

[@hennyzhi2261]

He also can't legally provide roms, but emulators are technically legal to be distributed.

[@Raylightsen]

Don't give a fuck about law.

[@usefulidiot2842]

Laws are for the poor not the rich

[@raspiankiado4658]

Literally anyone.

[@ProtoMario]

A world without emulation is a world I don't want to live in.

[@almogz9486]

proto whats up i agree

[@TimthePhilosiraptorExhale]

fortunately you dont have to and never will have to. there are many people out there who have preserved the past on their own hardware by downloading the roms, many people sitting with giant troves of history, libraries of the beauty that made our childhoods magical. When nintendo grows the fuck up and is willing to understand the preservation goals of its countless armies of librarians who have dutifully preserved the works we all love and work with them, this world will hopefully be a much better place.

[@dragz888]

@@TimthePhilosiraptorExhale no company can go against the power of information spread on the internet. there will always be someone with a copy of any game ever created that obtained a small to moderate popularity.

[@Blueflag04]

That is true

[@TheReloader]

Come back zinc!

[@PelipperPiccolo]

“Having the right to do something doesn’t always mean it’s the right thing” More people need to hear this

[@user-mq1ng6sj7b]

Y o u t u b e c o p y r i g h t c l a i m s *cough cough*

[@TheNadroj10]

Say it again for the people in the back!

[@Alfenium]

That is the absolute truth. It hurts when people turn a blind eye just because of it.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Like when Social Media giants decide to start censoring people for arbitrary reasons that constantly shift just to get rid of people with viewpoints they don't like.

[@lvbboi9]

More people need to hear a beautiful phrase said by michael Jordan "stop it, get some help"

[@EmpressZafkiel]

I grew up in a poor household in a country where games are ridiculously overpriced. Without emulation, I never would have been able to experience videogames. With it, I was capable of playing a lot of titles that I hold near and dear to me, hava had a great impact im how I have grown and developed as a person, to the point where I am almost finishing a Game Design college, because I love games so much I want to live by making them. None of this would have happened without emulation. And nowdays? I love buying games legit, every chance I get.

[@glemning4256]

Ok, cool

[@CaxsiaTheDood]

I hope you reach that dream, friend. and the same is for me. I wasn't allowed to buy games off the internet so i used emulation and i wouldn't have even known about so many of my favorite games of all time. That's a world I'd never want to imagine.

[@mroguretxs819]

let me guess, russia? cuz i've been in the same problem and to buy new console i would need a 3-4 of monthly salary to buy one console without games, and games were like half of the console's price and that was hell.

[@EmpressZafkiel]

@@mroguretxs819 Actually, I am from Brazil.

[@edgard8632]

@@EmpressZafkiel I understand you, pass and live the same situation I would never have played a video game thanks to emulation You are not going to deny him and take away a poor child's favorite video game

[@ix8750]

"No amount of litigation can hold back the love people have for these games, Nintendo's problems will continue until they show the same amount of love for their own history as their fans have." I haven't heard anything this beautifully said in a long time.

[@James35142]

Amen.

[@jaredanacleto9239]

Truewer words have nevr been spoken

[@mikeshmit1363]

to bad nintendo doesnt care

[@themain_XD]

Fan: *Makes fan game* Nintendo: Congrats, you’re getting sued

[@tayclark42]

thats why i dont like nintendo all the time

[@offscreen6578]

Somebody: *re-releases old Nintendo titles on PC because there's no other practical way to find and play the game* Nintendo: "Wait. That's illegal"

[@justiciar1964]

Won't ask nicely. Won't use the lube.

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

Meanwhile (or some years ago actually) Some Dudes think half life 1 is a kinda cool, but the graphics suck ass today, let's recreate it. Valve: Yo, that's kinda cool, wanna release it on steam?

[@retnuh04]

I mean, the emulation thing still problem, but they don’t sue fan games any more.

[@supresmeshbras2003]

"They changed the font to Comic Sans" My Illegal ROM now

[@thechuckennoris5751]

I dont play silent hill, i better start with comic sans edition, hell i need comic sans mods

[@supresmeshbras2003]

-ok- The capital i looks like a lowercase L i - I l - L

[@Ystijger]

@-ok- haha you so funny

[@kosmas173]

Maybe they did it for the meme

[@groszak1]

A pirated Microsoft font

[@jokx4409]

this video is 2 years old as of today. This topic is even more relevant today and it's sad.

[@mering5298]

I didn't know it was that old until I got to the part about the Wii Shop Channel..

[@jokx4409]

@@mering5298 well... it shut down something like a year and a half ago... The video isn't THAT old, it's just that it feels like this issue is becoming more and more relevant as time goes on. I wonder what the state of emulation will be like in 20 years. I mean, I THINK in 15 years it will officially be legal to emulate super mario bros. since it will have been 50 years since its creation. At least in my country... I should verify that but if it was the case, then we really shouldn't worry about preservation since everything would become legally obtainable with emulation.

[@coemcoem7070]

10 months later and still

[@paulj6805]

Somehow even more relevant 10 months later with the botched addition of N64 titles to NSO

[@jokx4409]

@@paulj6805 Yes..... YES! I hate it, but it's even more true. MAN. THis service is terrible. I'd say what I think of it, but... Everything I think has already been said by tons of people. I'll just say that when they announced it would be part of a separate plan, I already thought it was scummy. "Nintendo gonna Nintendo" I thought to myself. Boi I didn't know what was coming

[@fattata2142]

I understand the whole "We should make money for the games we made" But if the game is 25 years old, not available anymore, not supported anymore, and isn't officially listed on any 'store' page, you aren't making money off it anyway. It makes no difference, except people still get to enjoy the things you made. Imagine I make an album. It's popular for a year then dies off. Sales drop to 0. I'd rather have people pirate it and still enjoy it at that point. I've made all I could off it. Also, a world without emulators means a world without TAS and I don't know if I could handle that

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

That 200 bucks for a copy of Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn in a retro store or online certainly isn't going into Nintendo's pockets.

[@Assimandeli]

This is a good comment. Developers/publishers should always be supported if possible, but it's pretty difficult to support them when they hide their own games and are not planning to re-release them. Same happens to old TV series. Some shows have never been released on DVD/ Blu-ray and are not airing on TV, yet uploading clips from the show on KZbin will get you a DMCA. It's bullshit. I understand that there's a lot of licencing issues (especially with TV shows) and re-releasing can be expensive, but does that mean we should just let it rot and be forgotten forever? I guess that's what the right holders want.

[@alolamao833]

If they made a PC service that hosted classic ROMs that charged either X amount of money per game or X amount of money a month for the service, Nintendo gets paid for their product and the customers have access to said product

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@alolamao833 Since it's Nintendo games, it would be on Nintendo consoles.

[@Karmy.]

Exactly

[@obsoleteworlds]

The 'It's a wonderful life' dubbing is sublime.

[@Tacom4ster]

I would have used that clip from Indiana Jones 3

[@RiC_David]

"Happy new year to you! In jail!" 11:28 Faaantastic.

[@Jotari]

It's cool as shit. Let's go.

[@coolguy02536]

Every time a bell rings, Nintendo shuts down a small, beneficial fan-project.

[@ZERO9098767]

A world without emulation sounds horrible. So many games would go unplayed.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Sadly, that'll soon be the case due to Article 13, unless if we put an end to it.

[@user-lq1tp4yw3e]

@@ExtremeWreck dont live in the eu solved

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@user-lq1tp4yw3e It'll actually affect the entire world, so we're doomed unless if we could get the South Koreans to delete all the files of Article 13.

[@davidgn40]

@@ExtremeWreck South Koreans???

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@davidgn40 Yup. Only the country of South Korea would make it end.

[@leothehuman_9476]

Nintendo can make a fan homeless. Sega gave one a job.

[@lucasparadox6823]

Thats because Genesis Does what Nintendont. (Sorry, i Had to)

[@joaonitro5149]

I don't think a cease and desist makes one homeless

[@RedoCasshan]

Allways remember: SEGA does what Nintendont

[@joaonitro5149]

@@RedoCasshan "allways"

[@benebsbiagtan3357]

@@joaonitro5149 Read. A cease and desist letter doesn't make one homeless but it can. If someone dumbly passionate and stupidly determinated chose to invest valuable money to create a displeasing fan game or a dishonorable ROM downloading website to honor the idiotic games they cherish and enjoy, and then the company who owns the IP just suddenly cease and desist'd you. From the company they love, to be slapped in the face because of their effort. Personally I'd think that's fair for everyone... That's like perfectly justified and really reasonable.

[@blakerobinson8]

If it weren’t for emulation I would never have been convinced to buy a Nintendo product in my life

[@JWG.LLC_The_Artist]

Me tooooooo!

[@originalcomment4818]

@the shrubberino valve's way of eliminating piracy is adding features to games that make it more worth it to buy

[@emperorfaiz]

@@originalcomment4818 And sales too.

[@RMED24]

@@originalcomment4818 that is easily what every company should be doing if the game is being pirated. Valve are doing it right.

[@SurmenianSoldier]

Me too. I'm getting a Nintendo Wii for xmas so I can both play Wii games AND GC games. If I can hack the Wii I might get the emulators for it and even download the NUS Downloader so I can put Wii Ware games in my Wii since the Wii shop shut down.

[@GrandmasterFriday]

The "Its a Wonderful Life" clips were great.

[@theshadowl4]

The only comment ...

[@deivisony]

Thank you so much for helping me find it

[@RaineRyanRudnick]

Something you mentioned that a lot of people don’t realize in the discussion of emulation is just how much licensing factors into a myriad amount of games just being forgotten about. When is Goof Troop going to be rereleased? The studio behind Home Improvement on the SNES doesn’t even exist anymore, who would pick up the rights to not only the game, but Tim Allen’s likeness just to put it up on a digital storefront? Emulation is necessary to preserve the history of this medium, especially the games that aren’t as well known and celebrated as Nintendo’s own offerings.

[@tomstonemale]

There was a minidocumentary from Noclip about GOG that touches on the subject and they explain the situation very clearly "we have to do their homework for them to sell the game again in the store" and still, some of the licesing issues are insane

[@ThanatosZero]

@tomstonemaleCan you give us the link? I wish to dvelve myself deeper into the complications. Especially because of the Quintet games. Games like Illusion of Gaia and Terranigma haven't been rereleased till this day.

[@tomstonemale]

@@ThanatosZero kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJfRmI2Fd5aIaKM

[@jopdancing7320]

a lot of good and fantastic games that aren't well known or popular enough (i.e. haunting ground, god hand, Chaos Legion etc) won't or have very little chance of being re-realesed for future consoles because there not well known and thus are lost.

[@ahok1937]

"No One Lives Forever" is gonna be in a legal loophole forever. To be short, Warner, Activision or Fox MIGHT have the rights to the game. But, they don't bother to search for it because that's not worth the money and time put in (for them). BUT, they said, if someone do a re-release of the game on gog or whathever, they are gonna sue and search for it only to win the trial. So, nobody know who has the rights to the game and nobody can do anything about it until one of another find the document randomly one day. In definitive, some fans did a remake of the game themselves and nobody got any money.

[@SVignette]

The hardest part of growing up is realizing that Nintendo sucks

[@j.m9047]

True bro. And my top 3 favorite games of all-time are made by them.

[@SVignette]

@@j.m9047 same

[@-tweeomoz-1786]

From a purely business standpoint, yes.

[@icee1683]

I hate Nintendo so much, from a business standpoint

[@maplemiles3381]

Nintendo doesn't suck

[@RadThibodeaux]

I love how the Switch's classic library won't even live up to the modest standards you predicted

[@FROZENbender]

by an extra wide margin too. it's not like they barely missed the mark, they barely even tried.

[@tiktok-mc2nq]

Indeed my friend

[@PresidentOfTheUSA]

there is still the chance that the games are finally kept on an account and you can just take them with you to their next system.

[@Nyzer_]

@@PresidentOfTheUSA If they were going to do that, they would have done it with the Wii U.

[@PresidentOfTheUSA]

@@Nyzer_ we will see, I don't see any reason for a Switch 2 to not be backwards compatible.

[@MM-fc9fz]

Legally emulators are protected in the US, unless the emulator uses actual bios code it is not illegal.

[@ThatOneNerd14]

I think emulators themselves are legal, its the roms that are attacked by companies.

[@Levi_Ackerman_005]

@@ThatOneNerd14 ROM sharing is illegal, but ROM downloading is not.

[@Draganox25]

They can use the bios code they cannot distribute it

[@MM-fc9fz]

@@Draganox25 They can distribute it, even sell it. Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3irpp9nhdeLeac

[@JWG.LLC_The_Artist]

THANK THE GODS

[@EvilEmperorKmuz]

god bless emulation

[@outsidercain3038]

Holy Mother 3, pray for us mere gamers.

[@ItsRetroPlanet]

God bless not only emulation, but the people that make it possible. The people that burn the ROMS, the people that developed the emulators, the collectors, archivers, god. Bless. Everyone.

[@paradoxzee6834]

Because of that we have the Soulja Boy now, a guy making money out of someone elses ownership

[@ItsRetroPlanet]

@@paradoxzee6834 It's true that people are gonna take advantage, but never forget the true representatives of the movement.

[@unspeci8852]

> the people that developed the emulators Holy shit, yes, these people don't get enough credit, I tried hacking together a software keyboard before Citra enabled it (replacing the bit that just sent "Citra" with a call to zenity or something) and I didn't even know where to start!

[@shekelsnatcher8504]

I'm not advocating piracy, i'm advocating for the ability to fucking play the games in the first place.

[@andyblanton6570]

Then buy a game and the system it runs on.

[@shekelsnatcher8504]

@@andyblanton6570 say that in like 30 years when every original nes is dead and the batteries on every retro cartridge based game have expired

[@andyblanton6570]

@@shekelsnatcher8504 tough luck. If Nintendo chooses not to sell them, it sucks, but we have to live with that.

[@shekelsnatcher8504]

@@andyblanton6570 You might, i don't.

[@andyblanton6570]

@@shekelsnatcher8504 okay, don't. Doesn't make it morally right.

[@emanatingauras4017]

Since Nintendo is not doing anything about the preservation of classics at all, everyone should download their old classics before it's too late. Especially obscure titles that may have never been released or ones that very few people play. They're going to be part of gaming history. We can't let this be the second coming of the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

One day steam will fall, what will happen then!?!

[@TheAdamGore]

​@@mr.serious707 I've wondered how they can take away a game from someone who has already downloaded it after banning a steam account. (Which apparently is the case)

[@TheAdamGore]

@@mr.serious707 Thats good then, I guess at worst, if someone had their steam acct banned they just wouldn't be able to re-download the games they bought using steam in the future.

[@MasonMillerKingofCaturday]

@@TheAdamGore depends on the game, some steam games have very little DRM so you could still play them, but many games require you to sign into steam to play

[@MasonMillerKingofCaturday]

@Big Brother ye but the law about copyright holders owning a copyright is something like 100 years after the death of the creator of the copyright, it becomes public domain

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Emulators are, in fact, necessary. Forget what Nintendo says. I will happily pirate all of their older games if it means I can play the classics again.

[@thejjdm1126]

Artificer Morrighan of the Adeptus Mechanicus emphasis on older .if you pirate newer games you’re just scummy

[@lightbrand_]

the jjdm11 there’s not even an option to pirate new Nintendo games, there is no emulation for the switch yet so what’s your point?

[@lightbrand_]

Kevin Badger yes you’re right, I was mistaken

[@betterbetter3930]

bruh just pirate abandonware okay?

[@betterbetter3930]

@Kevin Badger YUZU

[@feartheoldblood]

Yeah, like the way they shutdown EMUParadise...those Rom's weren't hitting anyone where it hurt, if anything - it helped promote awesome games. Such a step back by Nintendo.

[@JWG.LLC_The_Artist]

You are correct.

[@ArstotzkaEmpire]

Dream Evil Nintendo is gay as fuck. Terrible accessories and controllers, Wii U and other stupid bullshit. The whole publishing and advertising teams are horrible.

[@justanorange2038]

Bro you can still use emuparadise with tampermonkey

[@greywolf7583]

I'm still angry over Emupardice too this day that was my to go web site for Mame roms 😠

[@Blueflag04]

Emuparadise roms are still there, but just hidden

[@OrangeUtan115]

The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates. -Gabe Newell

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

Thanks gabe, you make me feel bad for pirating half life 2.

[@taco3v24]

@@DanielFerreira-ez8qd Do what I do, I was a heavy pirate when I was a kid because my parents believed that buying things online was a sin or something like that. But now that I have the money I have been buying legitimately the games that made my childhood up.

[@DanielFerreira-ez8qd]

@@taco3v24 I'm almost getting my own income, actually. there's a long list of games i pirated that I want to buy lol

[@ronnieketchum1241]

Perfectly said

[@ronnieketchum1241]

But these people don't have the desire to do so... The game is just a money making tool why put so much effort... 😠

[@ppmusic1322]

Emulation Sonic says: “ok” Mario says: “hippity hoppity this is now my property”

[@dustyk01]

Are you PewDiePie ?

[@tigress1699]

Bethesda says: "enjoy this place where you can share and post your mods!"

[@its_heeho]

@shap crooter Hee Ho Hey, that sounds completely okay

[@andyblanton6570]

More like it was always his property

[@MrCrossa]

Nintendo: *Takes down multiple ROM sites and doesn't provide a sufficient VC-esque service on the Switch, both in and outside of NES and SNES games* Also Nintendo: Why are people emulating our old games?

[@sheppardpat47]

Take a Wii U, there is a lot on the store and it's a easy hackable console, worth every penny

[@MrCrossa]

@@sheppardpat47 Got a Wii U already, but I already have the original hardware for most games I want to play (e.g. NES, Super Famicom, N64 etc.)

[@cashnelson2306]

thanks yeah i watched the video too

[@najlahalsayed5392]

emulation isn't illegal since it requires the game , downloading roms is

[@jimit.4220]

@@sheppardpat47 sure but most games on there are overpriced and the emulation is shite.

[@michaelz8235]

Worked for Nintendo of America for a few years. ALMOST EVERY WEEK in the company intranet they talked about suing a company protecting their IP. They absolutely LOVE to sue.

[@graysongdl]

@@1d10tcannotmakeusername Not even companies. Instead, it's porn of diehard fans making games out of passion, only to literally get sued for being diehard fans.

[@michaelz8235]

@@naught_. It's a great environment for young people. Lots of nerds, geeks, hipsters and emos. But after the first few months the excitement begins to disappear and begin to realize it's a regular dead end job and you don't get paid as much as you should. Being an Associate Game Tester is OK but it's not anything you want to do for a career.

[@ronthorn3]

@@michaelz8235 I used to work for experis(a Microsoft game studios contractor) I tested MGS titles such as Halo Master Chief Collection, Minecraft, Kinect games, epsn app ext, and you are right you get paid shit, I was a TA 2 in charge of a pod of people, I used to dream about getting the job back but In all honesty it completely fucked up my enjoyment of playing games at home. I hated it. It took me 4 years to get that spark back, I still can't help but think about how the game was engineered or designed, sometimes ill find bugs on purpose subconsciously, it's crazy.

[@herothehedgefox]

Do you think it's a matter of the PEOPLE running it, or do you think it's just Nintendo's entire belief system?

[@Nix-Man]

@@herothehedgefox I for one am also curious

[@mediocreboi]

If not for roms no one outside of Japan would care enough to warrant them making Trials of Mana, and no one would ask Reggie about Mother 3. Fire Emblem only survived because of Awakening, the only reason the FE fanbase was as strong as it was was entirely because of emulation. Nintendo can't have it's cake and eat it too.

[@James35142]

Reggie actually retired. My body was not ready when I heard that.

[@ianzamudio411]

@@James35142 reggie actually commented a lot on how frequent he would get requests for a mother 3 port to wii u

[@robinksuo2929]

not really, fire emblem got it's popularity from smash even before awakening. awakening is just one last hurrah before completely abandoning it, and then it blew popularity again and now it's still awesome

[@andyblanton6570]

Big deal. You could just play something else.

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@andyblanton6570 so good series deserve to die because the games don't get released how they should?

[@Djinnilord]

Your comments on Seiken Densetsu 3 highlight my main issue with the war on emulation - if a company never made a game available to me in the first place and does not plan on doing so, how can they claim to have lost anything by me emulating it? Neill Corlett and the emulation community are the only reasons that many people even know that SD3 exists at all.

[@Levyathyn]

They can't make that claim. Legally, they have no way to implicate anyone for such a "theft" since it isn't theft. But, Nintendo doesn't have to take that approach. They can wrap everything provided by an emulation service into one single rights claim, ignoring everything that doesn't fit into the exact rules, and sue with extensive litigation via expensive lawyers with most people not having any chance to fight back, regardless of their legal footing.

[@liamcurran5612]

Which is why I'm glad he mentioned this game, I didn't think many knew about this great game and I certainly wouldn't if it wasn't for emulators.

[@ikagura]

Copyrights

[@renakunisaki]

Their logic: "because we still own it and could release it in the future" I'm sure those official Seiken Densetsu 3 and Mother 3 translations will be coming out on Switch any day now...

[@edfreak9001]

@Christian theoretically they could one day decide to pull the unreleased game out of their ass and sell it ala Star Fox 2. They never will but that's the best defense they probably have @Levyathyn I wish there was a defense against companies that just crush everyone in legal money to stop them from having any chance to fight back.

[@casualgoats]

The audio over It's a Wonderful Life was so good.

[@command_blockling_400mc9]

Casual Goats I, having not seen the original, was almost convinced that it was something the guy made himself

[@WindyREDPanda]

@@command_blockling_400mc9 watch the original on Blu-ray. It's one of my favorite movies. And share it poeple who are going with bad times in life.

[@redseagaming7832]

What's the point of playing these old games that there's no trophies or achievements

[@DrakeDragsaw]

@@redseagaming7832 it's kind of sad that you think the entire point of games is for trophies and acheivements

[@joeyreinhart8820]

I love the end where he finds his raspberry pi 😄

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

The music and Hollywood industries couldn’t stop this, what makes Nintendo think they can?

[@JWG.LLC_The_Artist]

Soooooo True!

[@kylelacey1212]

Nuclear Fallout. Japan nuked jokes are still cool, right?

[@TERMINATOR101-b8j]

@the shrubberino Alestorm!

[@dudepool7530]

Even worse, the United States government has failed at controlling substances, almost as long as Nintendo has been around, so what makes them think they can shut down the black market, when Uncle Sam can't?

[@Blueflag04]

That is true

[@stonk_man]

"The Wii U eShop will certainly suffer the same fate." well that aged quite well

[@Adum]

It happens to every online service

[@marshallhorton7154]

*laughs in ps3*

[@flexican5399]

Valve: Cool you modded half life? Let’s hire you and make a new game Battlefield Game: Has a community version Nintendo: *NO*

[@KyleDavis328]

For reals though, 90+% of valve's core development team is made up of 90's modders, either of Quake in Valve's origins or Half-Life in it's rise to power

[@slojcabronas858]

Battlefield game: *NO*

[@ragdollyandy]

Sega: Oh cool, you guys made fangames? Ya'll let's hire you

[@orions2908]

@@ragdollyandy unless it's SoR, if it is, then fuck you

[@windowsme2327]

@Dillan Barry Yeah

[@horricule451]

We all love to talk about games that were never released outside of japan, but how many games were never released outside of the first world? How the hell is someone in Kazakhstan going to play majora's mask without emulation?

[@ungovernableevilmonger4660]

They're gonna have to work some OT in the poppy fields.

[@mayhair]

I live in Pakistan and here, most people got their Nintendo cravings from Famiclones and Game Boys. The SNES, Nintendo 64 and GameCube weren't widespread. It wasn't until the DS and Wii that the company became relevant again. The Nintendo community isn't really big here. Most people use PlayStations for games now. But what do I know, I'm just a freakin' zoomer

[@mmmair]

@touma How do you choose where you get popped out of a womb? I didn't see a menu screen with any options, I just appeared one day.

[@lonelyvariety]

touma are you being legit

[@greman9631]

@@mmmair I think hes joking

[@mr.morkai8430]

With no emulators, original stuff prices would Rise insanely.

[@Metroid4ever]

Made worse when you take into account that physical decay is a major problem.

[@KiraSlith]

That's what most of the non-corpo opponents of ROMs are thinking of. "Oh boy, that cartridge of DK64 I have in my closet could be worth hundreds if only ROMs weren't a thing!"

[@nachordinarygamer9425]

Original copies are a huge issue as desired games can go for upwards of $500 in certain cases like in super smash melee

[@staringcorgi6475]

When nintendo does shit like this they always make their own alternate but why did they not make an alternate to preservation

[@susgaming6965]

@@staringcorgi6475 They make horrible and scummy alternatives though.

[@MrPF]

Anyone from outside of first world countries, knows how important roms and cracks are. If not for them the current gaming market wouldn't even be 1/4 of what it is now Billions of people around the world, who love video games, only got started because of them, no one outside of first world countries, has the money to buy consoles or games In Brazil everyone has or had a cracked PS2 Not even 1% of those people own or have owned any console that came after it, simply because no one here can spend 400% of their minimum monthly income on a console and 25% for every game

[@karamelflan]

True If you live in third world countries and you're a filthy minimum wage worker, getting games legally is a luxury Half your internet cafe have most of their library pirated Your friends have emulators and have played games older than them

[@mailman7]

As a teen in a developing country , I can confirm this. A game is 60$ which is alot in here so pirate retro games is amazing to us that was how I know MegaMan, Kirby, Mario ,... and understand the important of keeping and preserving old things for a new generation.

[@joaonitro5149]

I'm Brazilian, and i never had a ps2, or any console, so i'm even deeper in the shit pile :(

[@shadesoftime]

The same goes for Russia. Even though Nintendo Switch Lite costs like an average phone, the games are just their dollar price converted to rubles. So if you buy 3 games it's the same price as the Switch itself. I have already started saving money for my Switch and I was searching for whether it's worth hacking it or not, and it turns out they can ban you and many things won't work at all. While on the 3DS I got recently I can play games online for free and without any subscriptions and download new ones because it's hacked. So with the Switch Nintendo also changed their anipiracy policy

[@jasdanvm3845]

I literally got into games thanks to a pirate "console" that looked like a PS1 but played NES games. My parents WOULD HAVE NEVER buy me an official, and expensive console.

[@Movie_Games]

I used to pirate movies like crazy. Now, because of MoviesAnywhere, I am actually purchasing movies again. They are providing a service that is comparable to what piracy was offering. Same thing with games. I used to pirate games like crazy when I was a kid. Then Steam came out. Because of the architecture of the Switch, Nintendo has the means of making something that would last on future consoles (as long as they use the same architecture). But they aren't doing it. And that's why I have a modded Switch.

[@mario199923]

I *LOVE* MoviesAnywhere. We primarily watch movies on our TV in the living room on the XBox. MA has made it so easy to just buy a movie on Amazon and it shows up in Xbox's Movies and TV.

[@Movie_Games]

@@mario199923 Oh yeah, Xbox was a recent addition. I just enjoy the confidence that my movie will still be there 20 years from now if one or more of these companies goes under. And that actually goes along with the preserving theme of this video.

[@superduty4556]

Wow, pretty nice promotion

[@kpjlflsknflksnflknsa]

I like buying certain games hard copy - as do my friends.

[@RichardsRockin]

I love how people always blame it on others "they aren't doing what I want, so I mod it" I mean, my Wii U is modded, but it is the last piracy related thing I own. Movies, music, all legal. I know I'm wrong. What I don't get is why people justify piracy, like "hey, they're not doing a good job, so i'm gonna use this dirty method, but hey, that's because they're wrong"

[@gustavogodoy9626]

Nintendo: That one who wants to capitalize on games they don't publish anymore

[@toohighstrung]

.....by republishing them

[@TheLuigiBrother77]

they dont even want to capitalize on them though

[@educprof2160]

@@toohighstrung 90% of their 80-90s games arent on their virtual consoles, not mentioning that they also shut down any mod or fan proyect that is related to their ips

[@LosN209]

This channel hits you with hardcore facts, while sprinkling some fine comedy in there. Narrated by someone who sounds so serious and perfect for the job, yet sarcastic at the right times. Brilliant, just brilliant.

[@thatblockyplayer3819]

Like Internet Historian, but for video games

[@willwallz]

His passion for the things he talks about and the clear distaste for the way those things are currently being handled makes me want to start riots at Nintendo Headquarters. That’s some damn good story telling.

[@LordDirus007]

Yeah but this dude can't hold a candle to the KZbinr infinite elgintensity

[@xuto2693]

@@LordDirus007 Funny, because this channel is on my sub list, but I've never heard of whoever you're talking about.

[@LordDirus007]

@@xuto2693 Dude head over to "infinite elgintensity" and tell me these two aren't the same person.

[@reviathan3524]

Accessibility. I live in an South East Asia country. Our retro collecting scene is not as big as USA. Thus, the market panders to the big demographics. So, it's really rare to find old games.

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

In some places Gaming is a luxury good. I don't blame em for piracy

[@JWG.LLC_The_Artist]

Im sorry to hear that guys. long live emulation!

[@DrkStmpunkr]

@@HydraSpectre1138 meee too and I love those older games of fire emblem... The phone one sucks, no tactics were used just pure grind...

[@Blueflag04]

Emulation saves your life

[@Guirlachee]

Latam understand you

[@SuperWiiBros08]

This is like a terrible dystopia

[@archocystosyrinx]

Hi Joel editor

[@Jay-uu5lu]

A dystopia for nerds

[@javakio6267]

This is the world where I can’t pirate earthbound

[@daneverharen1694]

Yeah they fucked that up by discontinuing the Snes Classic

[@James35142]

I played two of my favorite games, Earthbound and Mother 3 thanks to emulation.

[@sebas87gaming06]

@@James35142 same with me

[@elijahbradley704]

Without emulation I would've never been able to play the f-zero series

[@somethingsomething9008]

He wasn't advocating piracy if you have a have a wiiu and dont live in a Third world country you have no reason to pirate

[@teagan9460]

With the release of Mario 3d all-stars, I think Nintendo has made it clear that they don't care about game preservation unless it makes a lot of money. For example: crash and spyro trilogy each cost 40$ and are full remakes of 3 games. Links awakening is a remake of 1 game and is 60$ Sega made a genesis compilation with 50 games for 30$. Mario 3d all-stars has 3 simple ports and cost 60$ They even ported dkc tropical freeze, a 6 year old Wiiu game for 60 dollars.

[@vintheguy]

Dont fuckin forget its limited baby

[@gamingnubs7628]

Dont want 3D All-Stars because you think its bad? Dont buy it. Simple as that. Also dont complain about it.

[@vintheguy]

@@gamingnubs7628 You forget that we should complain so Nintendo doesnt pull this shit again asshole (or other companys)

[@gamingnubs7628]

@@vintheguy you kiss your mother with that mouth? Oh and 3D All-Stars is most likely a test to see if there are faults with the emulator so Nintendo doesnt screw up N64, Gamecube and Wii Online services. If not, its just a great collection of 3 of Marios best adventures.

[@vintheguy]

@@gamingnubs7628 You got proof? Theres a thing called demos, alphas and betas, if this shit is true they could just state it and say something along the line of "this is a test"

[@eugkra33]

Nintendo's own mini NES and SNES are using an emulator build by the community.

[@EzekielGoldbergII]

Unfortunately they're allowed to do that due to the license of the emulator. However hypocritical that is.

[@mario199923]

@@EzekielGoldbergII I think this is directed at the Nintendo defenders. That Nintendo is fine with emulation.... as long as only *THEY* get to do it

[@ccricers]

At least that makes it easy to reverse engineer and add capabilities to it. I see these mini consoles more as collectables. For people that just want to acquire official Nintendo stuff.

[@RenanGreca]

No they’re not. They both use emulators developed in-house. It’s the PlayStation Classic that uses an open-source emulator.

[@obinator9065]

Renan Greca Wasn‘t Sony so ambitious to destroy Emulation in '98? Lol

[@mercury5003]

Sega did the best job with their release of sega mega drive classics on pc which also has a workshop where people can post romhacks and or mods.

[@Clownacy]

Ironically, us Sonic hackers weren't too happy with people posting our hacks on there under their names.

[@mercury5003]

@@Clownacy Then why not just upload the hacks there yourself? After all its the most legal alternative.

[@Clownacy]

There's a lot wrong with the workshop. First up, Sega's emulator is terrible: I once uploaded a hack of mine that optionally uses the Mega CD to play extra music, but their emulator would act like a Mega CD was attached even though it doesn't emulate one, causing the entire thing to crash. I've also heard from people that do a lot of work with the DAC audio channel that they made the emulated Z80 CPU way too quick, causing DAC audio to play at the wrong speed. Then you have the problem of the emulator not handling save-data properly: a ROM's header specifies whether it uses save data or not, and what size it is. Sega's emulator ignores this, instead just copying whatever the base game uses. For example, Sonic 3 Complete's save data is way bigger than Sonic 3 & Knuckles', but the emulator only gives the hack as much room as the original, causing half the settings to not even save. Then you have the inconvenience of maintaining two download locations: one that most people will use for whatever emulator tickles their fancy, and one that only a minority will use for an emulator that doesn't work half the time. It doesn't help that the very process of uploading a hack is a pain: you can't just upload directly on the website - you need a separate program, and the program will refuse to upload if your hack's description is longer than a paragraph or two, or contains symbols. After a while, you just wonder if it's even worth the hassle uploading to the place. Most of the comments on my hacks amount to 'how do I install this', despite the process being the exact same for literally *every* hack on the workshop. I guess you could say it's a service problem, just like the video mentioned: it's easier to upload our hacks elsewhere, and not bother with all this mess. It's also easier to just let someone else upload them to the workshop, but ironically the Sonic hacking community is picky about copying. Aside from the necessary evil of violating Sega's copyright, we're like any other software community. We try not to even copy each other's ideas. But how is uploading to the Steam Workshop any more legal? It's all implicit. I'm no lawyer, but unless I get an explicit software licence from Sega which grants me the right to modify and distribute their software (which any regular programmer does when they want other people to legally use their code), it's no different. Sega doesn't seem concerned with legality anyway. The workshop's become nothing more than another ROM site. Just look at all the pirated ROMs posted on there nowadays. I don't want my hacks uploaded to a cesspit like that.

[@Splozy]

@@mercury5003 workshop sucks for end user and creators. It frequently shits itself and also it far too streamlined making more complicated mods/hacks impossible to host on there anyway.

[@diogoepronto]

And if you want to play those games in another emulator, you can just take the legitimate roms you've bought and use it in the emulator of your choice. Sega did a pretty good job with this. Now they just need to add more games to the library

[@stryker5055]

>tfw EmuParadise has been executed Dark days ahead

[@sh-wn3gj]

Jeez, don't scare me like that :x

[@conkerlive101]

Download absolutely everything while you can because there is no way Nintendo is going to take the high road on this.

[@tomstonemale]

you can still download games from emuparadise with a script

[@mitchell3876]

Might have to resort to bittorrent.

[@jacksonpercy8044]

I'm just replying so that in the future I might remember what tomstonemale said.

[@LewtwoYT]

RIP Citra.

[@wewlad2917]

OMG LEWTUBE AAAAAAA im a big fan😊

[@GeospaciallyGone]

Citra isn't dead.

[@goikysworld]

reads title Title: Lets imagine a world without emu- Me: *_no_*

[@dez-m]

***gru intensifies***

[@PkmariO64]

A world without emus would be great for Australians

[@dantheman1508]

Yes

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

@Randy Burton dude, what? He referenced a meme. That doesn't automatically make him a redditor. Even beside that, telling someone to kill themselves and calling them autistic is really rude. Even if it's a joke, that is not something you should be joking about, as suicide is a very serious thing

[@b.l.a.c.k.s.t.a.r]

"Valve considers piracy to be a services problem. When legitimate services fail customers they resort to piracy to get what they want instead. If Nintendo really wants to stop piracy of their games online, their efforts shouldn't begin with law suits and take downs, they should begin with building a better service." "Here's a crazy idea that would never work; what if Nintendo opened a ROM site, And tolerated PC emulation and provided a legitimate way to access their games? They wouldn't have to do any work than hosting the ROMs and taking the money. If they were to price the games reasonably a lot of the people pirating them now would probably buy them." This. If they actually do this I hope they allow 3rd party mods and things of that sort to enhance the experience instead of keeping controls and resolution locked up like they already do.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

@@RichardsRockin Nobody said that, it's a stupid strawman. And just that there will be piracy doesn't change anything. China survives with basically no copyright, so your blabbering about how the mere existence of any piracy makes a service by Nintendo impossible is stupid. Also, go search for something like "free gog games" or something on google, see how much you find. This happens when you're anti DRM, and somehow, GoG is still in business. The only one here completely wrong here is you, and objectively so.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

BlackStar Honestly, after the lawsuit, I can't suport any retro-efforts of Nintendo, so I wouldn't buy their stuff over the sanctioned service either. Profiting off these people whilst screwing them over like this, absolutely reprehensible.

[@Sakis_Husband]

I could not have said it better myself. It genuinely makes me upset when people say things like "Nintendo has every right to take down ROM sites" and then I go into another comment section about unreleased games from Japan saying things like "Just play the English translation of the game". We cannot have both at the same time. And this video hits every mark ever. I love Nintendo's games, I really do, but I hate how defensive their fans can be at times. A game that I want to be able to play in the future is Scott Pilgrim vs The World The Game, but that game is never ever going to be rereleased, and it was taken off the online markets (PSN/XBLA) because Ubisoft cannot acquire the rights to the brand again. Without emulation and ROMs, you absolutely cannot and will not ever be able to play the game ever again.

[@Gheorughuirg]

I can't begin to say how much I agree with you about Nintendo's fans being defensive over this. It's pretty disheartening. This is a matter of preserving video games so that they can continue to be played. Nintendo is a corporation, so that's one thing, but we as fans should all be on the same side here. I can only imagine it's ignorance that convinces anyone that retro games can be properly and completely archived without emulation.

[@mcsza3]

The fact that so many games can only (reasonably) be played through emulation is really disheartening, not to mention the Japan-only titles. Mother 3 is one of my favorite games but sadly is still not officially brought over to the west. Emulation is the future for so many older games as that's the only way they'll be able to survive. So many old consoles are breaking down and batteries in games are dying. Plus as mentioned in the video a lot of game companies have gone out of business and licensing games would be incredibly expensive if at all possible. The Tony Hawk games in particular because the music tracks would be crazy expensive to license. One thing this video should have mentioned is that buying physical copies of retro games from your local game store or from some guy on eBay isn't that much different than downloading a game. You're not supporting the developers of the games at that point.

[@jackgarcia5926]

It's a pretty shit game, you are not missing out.

[@mcsza3]

There's like 5 games being talked about which one are you calling shit?

[@realkingofantarctica]

While I’ve never really been interested in ROM’s and using emulators, it is beyond necessary that they exist so that people are able to make fan games and keep games from getting lost to the past. Not my thing, never has been, but I will continue to support it as long as there’s no greedy intent behind it.

[@Nathando64]

I'm so worried if Nintendo nukes every ROM site. I want to play SM64 well into retirement

[@somethingsomething9008]

Good but if there's easy way to play the games legally your going to pirate then what's the point though?

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

@@somethingsomething9008 with 3d all stars, the product is awful and overpriced so why you shouldn't pirate the much better emulated version, you should boycott the new version.

[@joandarc441]

Well even famous retro KZbinr does that I mean come on if you have don't own that copy of the game anymore due some countries don't keep old game's that much

[@fizziz_1035]

.

[@aaronborok8398]

Emulators are legitimately what got me into gaming. Without VBA I wouldn't have gotten to play Pokemon when I was a kid, and I would have never been introduced to series like Kirby I never would've started watching let's plays of mario world hacks and sonic hacks, and met some of my closest online friends. I never would've gotten back into videogames and buy my own nintendo consoles. I haven't really touched emulators in a while (mostly cause I don't have good enough hardware tbh) but roms are integral to how I got into videogames, and nintendo particularly, in the first place.

[@Felipe-oe5su]

Same here, my whole childhood was playing GBA games on an old computer. Where i live, Nintendo's consoles and games are overpriced as fuck so there was NO WAY i could play them as a kid. Nowadays i can buy them with my own money and feel good about it, but if emulation didn't exist, a whole market for Nintendo wouldn't exist in Brazil.

[@burp2019]

PJ64 was the only option i had for games besides a collection of random flash games and stuff before i got a wii

[@burp2019]

@@Felipe-oe5su and we wouldn't have stuff like this kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGjLdH6Licalf8k

[@TheClassicWorld]

Your point is? The only point I can find in this is you're about 14-years-old. Also, I am very sorry for you if that story is true. It sounds like you have never played a real game/console before (or, at least, you didn't as a child). Using your logic here, is it fair to say hard drugs are good if my doing hard drugs got me into music, and in turn, was the reason I met some of my closest real-life friends at hard-drug-music-gigs? Not seeing the logic here. It's illegal and wrong -- for many reasons, regardless of the legality -- to use ROM sites/emulation of Nintendo, instead of, you know, the crazy idea of real, official, original hardware/software...

[@Felipe-oe5su]

Piracy is not even close to being as damaging as hard drugs wtf

[@Weighty68]

Emulation not being taken seriously by the people who have forged this industry brings a tear to my eye. What will we do in 40 years when we want to play the oh-so shitty Friday the 13th NES game just because we saw AVGN tear the game to shreds in his video on it? Or how about experience the utterly captivating worlds of Ratchet and Clank or Jak and Daxter without having to buy a console that, at that point, would be nearly 50 years old? It's truly a terrifying and harrowing thought. Fantastic video, you earned my subscription most definitely.

[@NickEnlowe]

Friday the 13th is a great game, actually. AVGN was wrong on that one ;)

[@pizzweak580]

@@NickEnlowe He's not entirely wrong, though

[@Guythatknowsitall88]

In addition to what you said about the Jak games, the ps2 due to more moving parts ps2 and other other consoles of the time will have a shorter lifespan. Even newer consoles like the PS3 and newer will have significantly shorter lifespan with my guess 15 years Max of heavy playing due to hardrives typicial lifespan even SSD fail after enough rewrites and that's not account for overheat issues over time.

[@conversationtosaurusrex]

@@NickEnlowe The game sucked.

[@Nekotamer]

verbatim is a term that means, i can change 1 pixel's color in an asset from somebody else, put it in some other genre of game and then its my own creation. flappy bird!

[@ryangagne5321]

As emulators aren't just Nintendo related, but all console related stuff to think about. Without emulators, Super Mario Maker wouldn't exist as it was inspired by SMW hacks. Without emulators, many famous indie game developers and companies wouldn't exist since ROM hacking games through emulators is what started their career as game developers, as they use it to learn how to design a a game. Without emulators, the younger generations wouldn't appreciate older games due to their [pixelated graphics, low-poly graphics, 2D graphics, cartoony graphics, simple gameplay, casual gameplay, basic characters, cartoony characters, basic stories, etc.] and they would rather have video games like the latest Call Of Duty game, just because it has [realistic 3D graphics, violence, complex and competitive gameplay, etc.] So, show a retro (or retro styled) game to a kid in this theoretical alternate timeline and they would HATE it because it's not the latest, newest, fanciest game that's exactly the same as all the other games; probably call the developers lazy too for a lot of things related to gameplay and graphics. In other words: Emulators makes kids appreciate history.

[@chlorobyte_projects]

I had some friends who would just not want to play Super Mario 64 just because it's so old. *Had.*

[@natsuka8158]

@@chlorobyte_projects good thing you got rid of them

[@thechargedcreeper3967]

I'm a kid and thanks to emulation I learnt what my parents meant when they told me they had better games. In a lot of ways, Super Mario 64 is way better than Galaxy and the Gameboy Mario games are actually quite fun. Withoit emulation, I would've never liked or even played them, just like you said. There are always people who just download roms because they want to be pirates, it's just sad that those people ruin it for everyone

[@PixelTrik]

Because of emulation, I started hacking Pokémon ROMs which introduced me to game development. *Retro Gaming made me appreciate games more than ever and I've started a retro gaming channel for Indian KZbin community. That's another thing that I've started recently 😅*

[@Icedude32]

There is also an interesteing flipside to all of that. When companies on PC release an old game made for the MS-DOS on either GOG or Steam, all of them come packed with the DOSBox emulator which is the only way to run a game from that OS on a modern OS.

[@Sev333]

Had to comeback to this vid after what happend today

[@PeruvianPotato]

Only 1 comment gives the "It's a Wonderful Life" clips attention, which just makes me sad

[@gerardonavarro3400]

@SubscribeToPewdiepie no it is for me too lmao

[@John-yy1oy]

Zuzu's petals

[@arkaxtrike957]

Pretty hard to see people who like art cinema.

[@Karmy.]

@SubscribeToPewdiepie it's the comment above this one for me

[@Kullen64]

That KZbin for you. Filled with people who just watch shit and never experience anything for themselves.

[@brig.badger2896]

>emulators have texture packs Nice job Nerrel, you slipped it right in there Great vid

[@liamcurran5612]

Lol I'm glad he's promoting his pack because at least he's trying to understand what made older games in Nintendo's history great rather than Nintendo trying to undo them like he mentioned in his Majora's mask remake video. I just don't get why we can't get the n64 version of Majora's mask on switch, with the ability to play that anywhere I would be glad to throw Nintendo lots of money.

[@PhaxtolgiaLegacy]

So basically Nintendo doesn't want to preserve games.

[@Calebfire10]

Phaxtolgia No they have the mind set that you are pirating games and stealing money from them.

[@KyleDavis328]

They only want to preserve the games they think should be preserved.

[@PeruvianPotato]

@Christian Harford And then dump underrated smaller games

[@ancientshiv9837]

Emulation is fine but don't pirate the games, supply the roms yourself if possible.

[@emperorfaiz]

@@ancientshiv9837 Nah, nobody can stop them to pirate the games. Good luck convincing them.

[@RonWolfHowl]

Nintendo’s greatest skill has always been making powerful enemies for itself.

[@gravityrushfan299]

agreed

[@chillbizz74]

The most powerful villain in the Nintendo Universe is the Nintendo themselves

[@professoroak7795]

The reason he has to keep saying “I am not advocating for piracy” is a legal reason. If Nintendo or anyone else believes this video influences people to pirate games, he has to have that as a legal backup for himself.

[@jaimeastorga2000]

Can't solve problem by appealing to companies. Copyright is 95 years. What store can last that long? Who can keep track of who owns what? Solution is shorter copyright. Leave Berne convention, limit copyright to 10 years from publication. Long enough for companies to make their millions, short enough for physical copies to last until work enters the public domain.

[@ghb323]

Jaime Astorga agreed. The ENFORCEMENT by the holder is nowhere near that long.

[@Uderscore]

Indeed! Corporate rights have have stretched way way too far. Imagine the actual workers who programmed these games actually wishing to stop people from enjoying them years later when they aren't even seeing another dime from it either way.

[@xIronMikex]

10years? Thats absurd. Be reasonable and suggest 20 years.

[@GodOfOrphans]

@@xIronMikex If constant new console generations weren't a thing, and/or if backwards compatibility became the universal standard for all platforms I would agree with you.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@xIronMikex make it 5 years

[@altimateguyz1016]

Without Emulation... I wouldn't be here and don't know what is Nintendo.... Because there is not too many Nintendo Console were sold in Malaysia

[@ExtremeWreck]

Thank god we're doing emulation before Article 13 happens(please don't let it happen EU, just let it die).

[@stormrs1286]

It's the same with your neighbor right up north, dude. Without emulation, I wouldn't have been able to play the original Paper Mario, one of my favorite games.

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Same here, basically in 3rd world countries.

[@micahblakeslee]

@MY BODY IS REDE With that profile pic, don't you mean your body is REGGIE? :P

[@midge_gender_solek3314]

In Russia too. Sega, Sony and Microsoft did sell their consoles and games here, but Nintendidn't (until Wii, if I'm correct). People only played shitty unofficial cartridges on unauthorized Famicom clones. Zelda wasn't really known here, because pirates of the time couldn't manufacture cartridges with game saves.

[@tolindaniel]

18 years ago, every single PC game I played was pirated, I had hundreds of ISOs across hard drives and virtual LAN software rigged to play with my friends. These days I have over a thousand games on steam, eventually buying up all the stuff I had pirated over the years. I don't have a single cracked game on my computer anymore, and if I can't afford something I'll just wait as I'd rather own it on Steam. It's absolutely a service issue.

[@caleb8385]

"Let's imagine a world without emulation" Nes Classic:*Nervous sweating*

[@xyzzy-dv6te]

and SNES Classic

[@mortenera2294]

@@xyzzy-dv6te And Playstation classic- Wait, that's shit

[@cullbear55]

And Online Service... And VC.

[@lpfan4491]

and then there are the fools who say emulation hurts the industry and is only used for piracy

[@me000]

I used to be really heavy into collecting the old systems and games, ever since I was a kid and found my older cousin's NES. But in recent times prices have been going up and up and up, so I've turned to emulation and it's been a god send. That said, getting my hands on really good stuff like a no-intro set was pretty tricky.

[@jesseroberts9960]

Not to mention the fact that everyone seems to forget. Consoles are ELECTRONIC! Theyll break no matter what eventually. Emulation is all digital. So unless the internet flops out, which, ahahahaha... ahahahahaha! Yeah, like that'll ever happen unless we have even bigger problems to deal with. War or something, idk. Or the persons computer just breaks. (Still emulators are digital! So no matter what, theyll ALWAYS be there) Why I was also pissed off at Sony for. "Wanting to move forward" Like, bitch! I dont give half a fuck about most modern games, I want my older ones! But all of my ps2'and 3's have broken at some point. (Replaced them both now, but still.) ...its just really frustrating.

[@OnettBoyXD]

Prices are up? Retro game prices have been dropping every year, dumbass.

[@Hoshionifumo]

That and buying the official old hardware literally does nothing for nintendo. Your not helping the company by doing it . im sure board meetings are held to figure out how to remove all the old physial copys

[@lewisfilby2394]

I own basically every sega system and almost every Sonic game (in most region variations) - but I DO NOT play them. They are for display only, I always emulate them on PC for the best experience.

[@divinechariot5542]

@@OnettBoyXD That would depend on which systems.

[@TheRealSpellstar]

I played Earthbound as a kid when I was around 13 years old and it was a magical experience that I will never forget I could have never experienced that without emulation This was long before it had ever been officially re-released, and we all know how absurdly expensive the original cartridge is

[@DeanStuff]

Played it a few months ago on an emulator and I am still debating on doing a second playthrough of it, beat DKC as my favorite SNES game and might actually be one of my top ones

[@aneeshsrinivas9088]

Same for me but replace earthbound with chrono trigger and secret of mana(secret of mana is one of those games which I can see the flaws in it nowadays but when I first played it I truly fell in love with it)

[@darkvoid1234567890]

Coming here after the most recent direct is even more harrowing. Charging extra for the maybe 20 n64 games and 30 genesis games that end up on the service is not only greedy, but pathetic in terms of preservation.

[@QwertyCaesar]

And now that it's finally arrived a lot of the emulated games exist in worse states than you'd find by emulating those games on decades-old emulators.

[@namenamename390]

The sentence "Having the right to do something doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do" is absolutely fantastic.

[@Skydog6301]

I would 100% pay for a Nintendo-sponsored ROM site

[@Atamosk-bu7zt]

most of the emulation community are more than willing to shell cash out to nintendo to make a site for emulation on homebrew emulators. nintendo just wants their own stock to plummet due to treating their fans like dogshit.

[@di4se]

You are the 0%.

[@deml8553]

@@di4se that makes no sense in this case.

[@di4se]

@@deml8553 I suppose playing Zelda Botw on Cemu is the Spirit! Go Nintendo! Make great games and earn 0 profit, because emulation! How hypocrite.

[@deml8553]

@@di4se if the games were for sale dont you think people would buy it.

[@gobogoo2329]

its been 5 fucking years and nintendo still hasnt added a home console library past n64 to their crappy subscription service

[@pointyorb]

This is more relevant than ever now

[@befuhs]

yah expecialy with vimms lair (biggest rom site since the 90s) got struck with removal of a portion of their roms by nintendo, sega, the entertainment Software association and lego. Sad stuff

[@ProjectionProjects2.7182]

Yeah it is and its honestly sad how well this video aged.

[@MagnetismR]

This is why the games as art argument is relevant. As long as they're not seen as art, they're seen as an extension of profit, so only a relative handful of people care enough like it's the Mona Lisa or Citizen Kane. Once the only way of experiencing a game is through used products and not through the original distributor, then the limited numbers will start to go downhill until no-one can ever access it legitimately. And that's how most ROM sites work too. They preserve these works of art when there's no choice left but to push the legal boundaries. If developers really want to curb emulation, they need to have newly made ways to play the games. And no, I don't mean those classic consoles which hold only a handful of games, some of which you might not even want to play, I mean on an individual basis, like with the Wii Virtual Console. If they can keep that up for literally forever, then sure, emulation wouldn't need to exist, because it would just be piracy. But of course, this is so difficult to keep up because it's unrealistic to keep that up indefinitely on consoles as it would eventually make them lose money. But it has been done before without Nintendo. Just look at GOG, and all those old games being treated with the same respect as though they'd just been released. TLDR; Game devs need to keep producing ways to play games indefinitely (not with bundles) otherwise emulation will take hold

[@mosti72]

Subscription service would be fine imo

[@RightHandedMan25]

Nostalgia and novelty only last for so long

[@vicviper9413]

I'm ready to face the rom-pocalypse. Even if every rom site in existence is unceremoniously axed within the next 5 minutes, I'll be no worse for wear. You'll never get to all 10 of my rom compendiums. And even if you DO destroy the first 9 somehow... the last one is a weatherproof 2TB Micro SD card I've had implanted in my arm!

[@s.moorefilms3760]

I hate to tell you this but the bigest sd card in existance right now is 512gb so that is probably a fake and your data is already overwritten. You might want to dig it out and check just to make sure.

[@ohioboy1878]

r/woosh

[@s.moorefilms3760]

@@ohioboy1878 r/whoosh

[@derous]

@@s.moorefilms3760 this is not reddit, stop saying reddit things

[@s.moorefilms3760]

@@derous r/whoosh is a word meaning you missed the joke now.

[@DrAnimePhD]

Nerrel, we need you. Nintendo just declared war on emulation

[@jokx4409]

What happened? Something recently happened? Like within the past month? If so I missed it, could you please fill me in or give me a few keywords to search?

[@ayscela6300]

@@jokx4409 basically, nintendo sued the yuzu team and force them to not only shut down yuzu and citra, but also to make them pay 2.4 million dollars.

[@jokx4409]

@@ayscela6300 I mean the yuzu/citra team were practically begging for it with all of the stupid stuff they did to attract nintendo's attention. They did a lot of stuff that's just not ok, even from the fans' perspective. So I'm not surprised they were told to shut it down, but to be forced to pay a fine is worrying. If it's specifically because of the shady stuff they did then ig it's not too bad, but I'm scared that they'll sneak in some reasons in their case that targets emulation as a whole and then use this as a legal basis for emulators being illegal in general.

[@ayscela6300]

@@jokx4409 yeah that's for sure. The thing is that some teams are canceling their emulator after this case, which really sucks. For the moment I only recalled 2 being shut down (both of which being android DS emulator).

[@jokx4409]

​@@ayscela6300 I just really hope people won't start pretending this sets some legal precedent. I hope people are well aware that it's a Yuzu/Citra specific thing, and that if nintendo tries to do the same to pretty much ANY other emulator no one will accept it, and that emulator devs feel confidant enough to call the bluff on nintendo's part. The truth is that nintendo are too scared to actually attempt to sue emulators because they're satisfied that it's in a grey area right now. Both parties are satsified with the grey area and don't want to risk changing the status quo. Nintendo gets to send the message that emulators are illegal without directly stating so (because that would be lying) thanks to careful wording on all their PR stuff, and we can share emulator software and be public about progress and not need to do it in secret. Neither party wants to risk things getting worse. So emulator devs don't really need to be scared of nintendo trying to take them down. They certainly don't want to risk emulation becoming even more legal than it is now.

[@markusTegelane]

This video aged like fine wine

[@pokeemonitor4539]

Remember when Nintendo struck down the fan game Pokemon Uranium, only _after_ it was released? You know the fan game that was in development for NINE YEARS? That's just cruel Nintendo...

[@jimmymullen6253]

I’m not here to play the Nintendo fanboy, but I would like to point something out - isn’t it weird that Nintendo only puts out takedown notices ^after^ a project is completed? It’s not like they don’t hear about stuff before it’s completed, they do. They have to. It’s gotta be someone’s job to look for that stuff constantly. It’s almost as if they want to give the crazy devoted people the chance to have their work completed and eternally on the internet before protecting their legal copyright. That way, everyone ^kinda^ wins. The game is released and will forever be available, and everyone who wants to can enjoy it, but Nintendo has the ability to say that they are consistently protecting their IP’s just in case any real threat to their stuff comes to fruition. I don’t pretend to understand Japanese business practice motives, but I feel like this has to be some part of it.

[@pokeemonitor4539]

@@jimmymullen6253 Yeah, the game is pretty much fan run now, but can you imagine working on nine years on a love-letter project, only to have it struck down just the same month you released it? The game is doing fine now, but i can't imagine how the developers felt when they thought their nine years of work had been for nothing... I'm just happy it wasn't for nothing.

[@shupasopni]

@@jimmymullen6253 Not always. They didn't do that with Pokemon Prism. It is only nearly done, but is also incomplete. IIRC you can't do much more than beat the game, and it only released thanks to it being leaked since it was only available to Twitch Plays Pokemon before the shut down. Same goes for Project M which stopped development before adding all of the characters they had planned, and due to fear of Nintendo frown apron anybody trying to use or continue working on the leaked characters.

[@heheheiamasupahstarzeppeli9425]

Pokemon uranium wasnt even that good though

[@FalcoMerc]

I know it sucks but maybe if the developers ask nintendo for permission at least they wouldn’t have waisted their time. Nintendo owns pokemon they can wherever they want with it.

[@CampyClaptrap]

As a long time fan of the fire emblem franchise, unless I were to learn Japanese, buy an the appropriate consoles and games, and basically dish out over a thousand dollars, I have no legal way to play the games. Hell, even the games released in America like the one on gamecube and the one on Wii are impossible to find, and if you do they're incredibly expensive (Most copies of path of radiance go for over $300!!!) If Nintendo released these games I would buy them in a heartbeat, but sadly they're taking a more "Fuck you" approach

[@CampyClaptrap]

@@TeoEmil but they're so good...

[@jackgarcia5926]

@@TeoEmil plenty of games do.

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

Fe1-6 and FE12 can only be played with translation patches due to changes. fe7 had some mechanical changes in the japanese version. fe8 had some growths ajusted. fe9 had an entire difficulty mode removed and changed for an easymode. The worst part is that the modern titles will have lost content in the future known as DLC.

[@ChillstoneBlakeBlast]

@@TeoEmil tell it to the translators that took their time

[@darby9687]

Fire Emblem is the series I most want to see on virtual console as well. I was lucky and purchased hard copies of 9 and 10 for about $60 each because I was struggling to find good emulators for them. But it's not possible for me to do that with the whole series.

[@dependencyonlove8751]

The thing about this is no matter how hard Nintendo try, they could never kill PC Emulation. The internet is too vast and the roms are already flying around the webs and once it is on the web, it's on forever! Roms can be copied on a PC the same effort as copying and pasting text. The only thing that Nintendo is removing is their reputation.

[@DerpDerp3001]

Now with net neutrality ending an AI. Shudders

[@grantcooper5799]

@Rebekah I downloaded an emulator for minish cap a while ago: it mostly worked fine but a couple doors will reset the game if you walk through them. Not a problem until one of those doors is in the stupid ice temple.

[@vgf64-27]

Nintendo just sued the Switch emulator, Yuzu. I think the Nerrel Batman signal needs to be kicked into high gear.

[@normietwiceremoved]

Imagine this "cloud gaming" dream people have. Sure it'd be nice to run games with streamed hardware but what happens when they shut down the servers. Where are you going to get the data to play then again? Think about it

[@TheRealNintendoKid]

Exactly... Cloud gaming is a good idea if you can't afford the hardware or just wanna play some awesome games on the go, but it's just a novelty. And honestly it's not really anything new. The whole cloud thing isn't new at all. We used to have these things called mainframes and terminals. A terminal was the end user's computer; the actual device you'd sit down in front of. The mainframe was basically the server that hosted everything for the terminals to access.

[@padmad3k63]

Sony has PSNow it's pretty cool you can play many games (PS2,PS3 and PS4) via internet. Without downloading anything.

[@aaronb6379]

@Higgs Bonbon wich video is it?

[@Rokabur]

With garbage 'cloud streaming', the developers get to decide how long the life of the game is before they kill it off.

[@ekgerickellygames1976]

Exactly it should be downloads

[@JoeBee9]

Emulation once allowed me to enjoy a real copy of “Kingdom Hearts: Re: Chain of Memories” on PS2. It was incompatible with my memory card so I tried every revision of PCSX2 as the music was muted until it eventually worked thanks to frequent updates. I felt highly delighted to finally enjoy the game I paid for. 😂 Also, Mario Kart Wii and Metroid Prime are in a in a league of their own thanks to Dolphin VR. A spectacle of its own. Disable culling and WOW! You can use head tracking to help you drive in the former and you deeply get a sense of scale for the environment in the latter.

[@otherlego]

JoeBee9 dolphin vr? Mario kart doesn’t have a first person mode anyways...

[@Ozzianman]

@@otherlego There is a VR version of dolphin which allows you to view the game through a VR headset.

[@otherlego]

@@Ozzianman what?!?!!? thats crazy ill have to look that up. I wonder how that would even work??

[@rawman44]

Damn. I sometimes wonder what the gaming community did to deserve Dolphin. What a beautiful piece of software.

[@andyblanton6570]

So it's okay to pirate games if the vr version is pretty?

[@Vienna3080]

I emulate games because: 1. I don’t have money 2. I wanna play old games 3. I don’t want 50 consoles to play 1 game

[@user-lq1tp4yw3e]

dont forget older consoles are expensive as hell + games that is

[@bitelaserkhalif]

4. Buying used game cartridge doesn't profit Neintendo anyway, you would profit previous owner. I only emulate *UNSUPPORTED AND DISCONTINUED* systems, because they don't really sell and make it anymore.

[@willcail]

If you don’t have money too bad. Quit stealing games deadbeat.

[@ahmadmoemen]

@Dank Memes Wii U is discontinued in Q1 2018, WTF are you talking about?

[@supersonicstep]

@@willcail technically its abandonware so hes not stealing

[@derk5867]

This video is starting to feel like a Christmas tradition

[@rageman2247]

One day I was at Gamestop buying the newest paper mario and the co worker asked me what my favorite game was. I said I needed to try out TTYD because it's so popular and the employee said "use dolphin emulator"... the Gamestop Employee agrees that ROMs are the best way to play.

[@travv88]

play Paper Mario 64 AND TYYD. you MUST

[@dry7560]

Gamestop employees are not god

[@ogolow570]

@@dry7560 no shit sherlock

[@Astralopithicus]

Yea,the guy from game shop is named 'shit sherlock' first name 'no'

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

You must be one of the lucky ones.

[@maglen69]

That moment when Nintendo uses a hacked rom (SMB) in one of its online stores because they dont have the original code anymore. . . But then complain about piracy. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

[@sylvierose2799]

The irony

[@mario199923]

Nintendo defenders conveniently always ignore this fact, even though Nintendo has used emulation for decades

[@antimatter3084]

False argument, the existence of the rom dates back to the og animal crossing.

[@mario199923]

@@antimatter3084 and emulation existed before OG animal crossing, Nintendo could've downloaded the ROM then too

[@maglen69]

@@antimatter3084 the tags in the data of the file prove otherwise

[@sagichdirdochnicht4653]

If there is no way to obtain a legal copy of a game, except for Used Games (that may stop working after all), there is no way Emulation would be a bad thing. TONS of absolutely great games would get lost over time. Actually, a HUGE junk of almost any console eras would be lost by now. Wich would be a shame and most likely against the will of the actual developers. They of course want to get payed for their efforts, but after XXX years and no further releases, they would never get a profit, they don't benefit from reselling either. Therefore Emulation and also Rom Sites are very important for preservation. If I was a developer, unable to re-release my games again I would be happy, if they get dumped on a Rom site. That way people may still enjoy it.

[@seba2366]

Buying Used games doesnt benefit the company

[@kylehart8829]

Past the point where the developer doesn't directly sell games to the public, I will never buy that game. No way in hell am I going to support GameStop just because retarded copyright law lets you keep rights for a century and a half.

[@Blueflag04]

My country doesn't have used games

[@BreezeOfOnett]

The Wii shop channel is a good example. I had to get a rom of pokemon rumble and homebrew my Wii u to play it.

[@norwatch_llamaassasin]

Watching this after all 3 Virtual Consoles shut down is different

[@Neogears1312]

I just wanna remind people that two of the big characters Nintendo made s big deal about with dlc for smash 4 was Roy from binding blade and Lucas from mother 3. Games you could and still can only emulate to play in the west. Nintendo is willing to use emulation to sell dlc but not to actually localize games that thousands will pay up front for the translation.

[@beesbeesbeesbeesbees]

nintendo - [million-dollar company] also nintendo - [makes games then just forgets about them because reasons] fans - [make fan projects, share roms, fan translations, none of them profit.] nintendo - YOU'RE TAKING OUR MONEYYYYYY WAAAAAAAAA

[@A-Spoto]

*[billion-dollar company]

[@Mememan9076.]

So Nintendo is able to sew me for millions of dollars because i download a pirated copy of doshien the giant and Nintendo making 0 dollars ether way

[@elijahbradley704]

@@A-Spoto now the richest company in Japan

[@A-Spoto]

@@elijahbradley704 things are not looking good for the consumer

[@beesbeesbeesbeesbees]

@@Mememan9076. "Why would you want to play Doshien the Giant? We purposely haven't sold it for 20 years. You have no right to play it." - emulates the game - "How dare you."

[@KrishnaDasLessons]

In my opinion, ROMs should be used for cultural archival. It is hard to buy every single old Nintendo console, and it is more convenient to just load up a ROM and play. Also, the money from older games don't go to Nintendo. It is important to keep ROMs, since future generations still want to plays older games. ROMs help create more Nintendo fans, and they can get people to buy the newest console since they like the series thanks the older games. The issue is that consoles like the Nintendo Classic had limited releases, so it is inconvenient to buy them. Nintendo locks things down to their own consoles, and they don't give the buyer other options. Just saying this is just an opinion and please don't completely base your ideas off of this.

[@gonkdroidincarnate4237]

As a Nintendo fan who loves Nintendo I absolutely hate Nintendo

[@lucyfer_the_bat]

yes

[@ethmad9061]

Even if Nintendo shuts down everything. Many discord servers about piracy have hard backups or backups on online storage like Google drive. So ROMs and emulators will still be accessible.

[@christianbrehm5398]

Emulators would never get shut down because they're not illegal. They don't do anything by themselves.

[@idk-ov9oh]

@@christianbrehm5398 yeah it would be like like make deepweb itself ilegal, ir doesn't do nothing different than internet alone

[@TechBlade9000]

@@christianbrehm5398 It's like making kitchen knives illegal because someone could get stabbed with them and make suffer with using dull objects to cut meat and veggies

[@lmpbiz]

great vid as always, glad to see you mentioned the silent hill 2 restoration. for whatever reason that game is a real bastard to properly emulate so thanks to the restoration i was finally able to experience it in its entirety.

[@dr3ad698]

is ironic how youtube reccomend me this video after nintendo shut down Citra and Yuzu.

[@badateverything69]

me to so sad i am crying right now

[@thiccboss4780]

_i knew you didn't have the guts to voice-over Lionel Barrymore's voice_ it's too good as it is *HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU , IN JAIL!*

[@jordandehart6905]

I haven't finished the video but... 60 controllers? Excuse me? That's almost as bad as Vita having 80 dollar memory cards that only hold a few GB.

[@emperorfaiz]

Meanwhile, you can get cheap SNES-like controller like 8bitdo.

[@stickystudios5318]

Ikr that's way too many controllers.

[@lucaspereirahmj]

Except that is in the Vita the SD cards are obrigatory, and the NES controllers are optional

[@arenkai]

And yet, a hacked VITA might be the best handheld console ever put on the market. With a 10$ adapter you can use SD cards, and voila ! My Vita currently holds 90+ games (not counting emulated Nintendo consoles) It's a shame Sony's poor decisions killed the system

[@akerguido9399]

I have a NES and bought a couple original controllers for 2.5 bucks. No way I'm paying 60 for new NES controllers, lmao.

[@idd_cutie1274]

6:20 Mother 3 ): Would have never discovered my favorite game of all time without emulation

[@mokushi8164]

My father got me a Japanese cartridge of Mother 3 when he was on a work trip, i understand Japanese perfectly so it wasn't a problem, and DAMN!, i discovered one of my favorite games of all times.

[@gurmyigoll3535]

Ah, I see you are a man of culture too

[@professoroak7795]

I’m just glad ROMs will always be here. A world without emulation is a world I don’t want to live in.

[@andyblanton6570]

Yes because your happiness is exclusively tied to your ability to play Mother 3.

[@joshwhite5730]

It’s hyperbole

[@kj21]

​@@andyblanton6570 he never mentioned mother 3

[@andyblanton6570]

@@kj21 I know, but one of the main arguments for emulation I hear is "bUt wItHoUt iT I WoUlD NeVeR HaVe pLaYeD MoThEr 3!!!"

[@certifiedcoomclassic]

@@andyblanton6570 man, you're REALLY desperate to prove your point right?

[@RobLoach]

Kudos on the editing here.

[@NotBigSurprise]

Nintendo, learn from Valve. Take the good things they do.

[@bigqockold-859]

except for the fact they cant count to 3

[@Raykkie]

Not Big Surprise And then Nintendo listens to you, stops making any game and adds lootboxes to all of their online games, just like Valve did

[@NotBigSurprise]

@@Raykkie Sorry. Learn the good things from Valve. There.

[@GXVIPER]

BUT launch edition Skyrim and Dark Souls are taken down and unavailable to buy, forcing people to pay more for the remasters. Steam is convenient and sales are good but I do not trust them (or any for profit service) to preserve my game library

[@darklethal3517]

And your old competition, Sega