Let's install an unsupported NVIDIA GeForce 7xxx PCI-E GPU in Windows 98!

[@guderian557]

Thank you so much for this ❤

[@O_mores]

No problem 😊

[@enricoligia.]

Complimenti!!!

[@imadam]

a few years ago i had a core 2 duo win98 pc with a 7950gt pcie 256mb, was pretty good

[@O_mores]

I want a 7950GT, I have 3x7900GS in my collection and many mid range models, but no working 7950GT which is about 15% faster.

[@softdreams1776]

yey! i miss windows xp lol win 98 crashed on me to many times :) i like that computer case its so clean and organised

[@O_mores]

Most of the time Windows 98 will crash because there is something wrong with your drivers. Also that case it's huge · colossal · enormous · gigantic · humongous · immense · mammoth · massive · monstrous · monumental... :)

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

50% of the time i use 98 I am restarting the computer

[@foch3]

Yes the interrupt fix, I asked on a video a while back if you had used it. The fix has always been a mystery to me, never thought it would be useful and it's not very well documented. It's the only way I could get a first gen i7 system stable.

[@O_mores]

Yep, I guess the interrupt fix is the most important patch if everything else it's OK.

[@GS-kh5se]

Great video! Im building a PCI-E only Win98 PC. Do you only need to Rudolph's patch if your 7000 series card has more than 256mb of video RAM?

[@O_mores]

Yes. If you use nvcore patch a 512MB card will show as a 256MB card. Most likely the other two patches must be installed as well. (pci.vxd patch and fixintr.vxd) If you patch the card (by flashing the BIOS) all 512MB will be available. Both patches can be used simultaneously.

[@max_MXX]

Forget about patches with ATI Radon cards.™

[@yobb89]

is the h610m-c d4 and 13100f still suitable build ? or is there something more stable for a retro pc setup on modern hardware ?

[@O_mores]

Any motherboard socket 1700 or AM5 with two PS/2 ports is suitable for a dual-boot setup with Windows 98 and Windows 10, though such boards can be hard to find in the mid-range to high-end segment. For AM5 platform Windows 98 was tested on 7000 series CPUs and it's totally fine. Classic PCI ports aren’t essential, as sound and USB functionality can be added through PCIe cards. BTW, I’ve tested this setup extensively-played Half-Life 2 for hours on it, a game that really pushes the system’s stability. I didn’t experience a single crash. Here’s a video of the setup in action: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHOqnpufdritbbc

[@gluckdesvosges8458]

Nice background at the beginning, where can I find it

[@O_mores]

Hi, you can try download it from here: imgur.com/gallery/ati-wallpaper-1920x1080-SjW98rp

[@MG-og6ql]

Great video! However, there is something nasty bothering me so hard~ How to solve the" Write fault error writing device AUX" error when shutting down the Win98SE? (I already installed the shutdown fix exe) I am using a 256mb 7600GT with MDGx NV8269 driver.

[@O_mores]

Hello, most likely this error is not related to your GPU. Usually it's a strange mouse driver issue, or might be related to your disk drivers. What's your hardware configuration?

[@MG-og6ql]

@@O_mores 256mb 7600GT , G41M, 512mb DDR2 memory and a 120gb SATA SSD.

[@O_mores]

Are you running with ACPI? I guess you are. ACPI can bring trouble, though your chipset is considered OK for Windows 98. Just for testing try to install Windows 98 without ACPI by using "setup /p i" - soft shutdown won't work but your system should be 100% stable.

[@MG-og6ql]

@@O_mores Alright, I'll have a try on the next installation. Besides, I discovered that my 7600GT works normally only in 16-bit color mode. Adjusting to 32-bit would cause the screen to flick. On the other hand, I found the MDGX driver seems to have some compatibility issues with 7300 LE.

[@joaquimjesus6134]

let me ask you another question: without DosBox, can i play MS-DOS games on Windows XP? the games are executed and some have audio, but the audio or even the game(like Jazz Rabbit on music) have too much lags or is slow and more with sound effects(like Doom)... is there anyway to fix these problem? i tested the real MS-DOS, on Windows XP, the same lags\slow happens.. is more on sound effects\FX... but Jazz Rabbit music have the same lag.

[@O_mores]

On what configuration do you experience these lags?

[@phamucanh488]

Do you need to install chipset driver first or sth? Cuz for my build (LGA 1155 + 6200TC or 7300GS) it doesn't work at all

[@O_mores]

No, you don’t need to install anything specific for your motherboard, like AHCI or USB drivers. Your configuration can run Windows 98 with some level of ACPI support, which is nice for features like soft shutdown. However, since your ACPI isn’t fully compatible with Windows 98, it can cause issues. You’ll get better results running Windows 98 in standard mode, similar to how it operates on a regular Pentium 1 motherboard. To make it work: Install Windows 98 using the setup /p i switch to disable ACPI. Apply the PCI.VXD patch using ptchopt.exe. Patch NVCORE.EXE. Add device=fixintr.vxd to the [386Enh] section of your system.ini file. Make sure fixintr.vxd is copied into your Windows/System folder before proceeding.

[@GordenMalcom]

Can you tell me how to install the TP-Link TL-WN725N or RTL8188EU on Windows 2000 with modified drivers? I heard someone got it running under Windows 2000 by modifying the Windows XP driver, but they didn’t explain the procedure to modify the driver. Could you guide me on how to modify the drivers to make this work?

[@O_mores]

Generally, Windows XP drivers can work on Windows 2000 if they were designed with backward compatibility in mind. If they don’t work, it usually means they weren’t tested for Windows 2000, and some minor modifications might be needed to make them installable at least. For the TP-Link TL-WN725N (RTL8188EU), you’d likely need to modify the .INF file of the XP driver. To do this: Open the .INF file in a text editor. Look for the lines specifying supported operating systems and ensure Windows 2000 (NT 5.0) is listed alongside XP. Save the changes and manually install the driver through Device Manager by pointing to the modified .INF file. Keep in mind, compatibility isn’t guaranteed, and some functionality might still not work. If the device doesn't appear or doesn’t function correctly, using an older, natively supported Wi-Fi adapter might save time and effort.

[@GordenMalcom]

When you release your next video and what's about

[@O_mores]

Tomorrow, I hope. It will be about an old hard drive and the way Internet looked in 1999. BTW, I'm posting daily my fresh FB account - mostly thing that are presented here on the channel, but not only... facebook.com/fbOmores/

[@adriano90210]

Return to Castle Wolfenstein looks way better than I remember....

[@O_mores]

RTWC was released in 2001 but in this video it's rendered with a 2006 card with everything maxed out. It's OpenlGL and Quake 3 engine.

[@Nuevo_El_Nagual]

I need to try that. I have Quatro FX 580 card. I hope it helps.

[@foch3]

That card is not supported in 98.

[@Nuevo_El_Nagual]

@@foch3 that makes sense now :( What about 8400GS?

[@GS-kh5se]

​@Nuevo_El_Nagual 7000 series cards were the last that anyone has got to work with 3D acceleration.

[@O_mores]

Quadro FX580 it's a DirectX 10 card with CUDA cores... these cards won't work in Windows 98 since they use a completely new design that emerged after Windows 98 was retired...so nVidia didn't bother to create a Windows 9x driver. They will install with generic 2D drivers: bearwindows.zcm.com.au/vbe9x.htm

[@Constantin314]

super video, Omores. i also got a 7000 seris gpu, 7600GT on AGP. in theory, your solution for W98 should work, even if it's AGP, right? (o sa scriu in ENG d-acum incolo :) )

[@O_mores]

There is nothing mentioned about AGP vs PCI-E in the R. Loew's documentation, so it shouldn't matter. But the motherboard's own AGP drivers (SIS AGP Gart, VIA 4 in 1 drivers, Intel AGP, ALI Integrated Drive...) can affect the performance and stability.

[@Constantin314]

@@O_mores ty, i'll try it and let you know. cheers

[@Constantin314]

@@O_mores unfortunatelly it didn't work for me. P4P800 board with the INF 5.0.2.1003 installed. after installing the 82.69 drivers, the GPU was not seen and the colors were still in 16 colors. after this, did the patchnvc, the same. i stopped here. also did the nvcheck and said "no patch required". well, it was fun :)

[@O_mores]

Don't forget ptchopt, according to the manual: "A third Patch is provided to Disable Video Option ROM Configuration. Some BIOS and Graphics Card combinations set an Invalid Option ROM address that confuses the Configurator. * If you cannot Boot Windows in Normal Mode after applying one or both of the above Patches *, or it reports an Error on the Display Driver. This Patch is probably needed. There is no disadvantage to do this Patch if not needed. "

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

It works, I tested agp 7600gs, 7600gt, 7900gs and more 7-series agp and 7800gtx, 7900gtx, 7900gs pcie cards in windows 98. if it doesn’t work you are doing something wrong. You need the modded 81.98 drivers for all g71 models. For 256mb and below you don’t need rloews nvpatch.

[@GordenMalcom]

How to mod the GeForce GT 710 driver for Windows 2000 with audio?

[@O_mores]

I know for sure that nVidia HDMI audio works in Windows XP just fine - I don't recall to do any special moves l have when installed an nVidia GT630 card. The nVidia driver installed a separate HDMI audio driver automatically. So it should work in Windows 2000, didn't try, but it's the same driver for XP and 2K.

[@AbdAlgani1999]

i have acer aspire 5680 have 7600, but after installing the driver is stop booting

[@O_mores]

That it is a GeForce GO variant btw, sometimes these mobile variants used slightly modified drivers. Anyway, did you installed everything from the PTCHNVSZ pack? Ptchnvc for nvcore.vxd, ptchopt.exe for pci.vxd and did you add fixintr.vxd entry in system.ini?

[@adriano90210]

Laptop GPUs are using the mobile variant of the desktop GPU with less power consumption. The driver must be aware of this. Probably you are not using the right drivers.

[@AbdAlgani1999]

@@adriano90210 this driver say it support my gpu but idk its need a lot of search if i want to solve this

[@AbdAlgani1999]

@@adriano90210 the driver is fine the problem that the intel gpu is working and not allowing the egpu to work. if i disable it win will not boot. and there is no choice to change main gpu in bios

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

And i have a 7950gt just sitting around. But alas, no pcie platform that has 98se support.

[@O_mores]

I wonder how I managed not to keep any high end 7900 series cards. And I even had one weird 7950 GX2 card at some point. (these are not working in 98 anyway)

[@joaquimjesus6134]

i need ask: if we don't use that patchs, the screen can go black?(is what i can get and don't show anything, even after some seconds)

[@O_mores]

When I was trying to use nVidia cards in Windows 98 without these patches (until September 2019 you had to pay for them) - I was getting mixed results. The same 7600GT card was more stable on some systems and couldn't boot on some other systems. So it depends also on how your BIOS handles the card (what IRQ gets assigned), how the Option ROM is configured and so on... So you might get better results on another configuration. Anyway these patches should solve all these issues.

[@joaquimjesus6134]

@@O_mores thanks for all... maybe you can share, with us, the batch file for install correctly all the patch ;) seen your video, i must create 1... it will be much more easy ;)

[@joaquimjesus6134]

@@O_mores but really thanks for all.. thank you(yes i need these)

[@O_mores]

I didn't use a batch file, although it is totally doable. The whole process it's not complicated: 1. use ptchnvc to patch nvcore.vxd 2. use ptchopt to patch pci.vxd 3. copy fixintr.vxd into Windows\System - add DEVICE=FIXINTR.VXD in Windows\System.ini under [386Enh].

[@joaquimjesus6134]

@@O_mores thanks for all.. and i know i must do on DOS Mode, Safe Mode.. thanks for all know i need find High Definition audio driver for Windows 98 ;) thanks

[@davidcole3927]

I wonder if the Quadro fx5500 with 1GB of ram would work?? 🤔

[@O_mores]

Quadro FX5500 uses the G71 chip - the same as 7900GS so it should work 100%. But I don't know about 1GB RAM. Theoretically, it should work in 256MB mode after patching the driver.

[@davidcole3927]

@@O_mores I'm thinking the same

[@dwgray9000]

I really need to swap that winfast 7600gto with the 6800gs that i have acquired.

[@O_mores]

These cards are delivering the same performance. But running a 256bit GPU makes me feel good... :)

[@max_MXX]

7600GT should be a bit faster and draws less current.

[@Mahmoud_-_abbas77]

🎉I have old computer with Windows workstation NT 4 I want to run same Windows on a new computer

[@O_mores]

Take a look here: kzbin.info/aero/PLomaAsb2xNcAHzbyhLMWzhFMnddzVGwWy

[@pietrekk_k]

8800? :D

[@O_mores]

Nope, 8800 is a DX10 card with CUDA cores - a different design released after Windows 98 was retired..., so Nvidia didn't bother to create a Windows 9x driver.

[@pietrekk_k]

@@O_mores :(

[@investit4]

@@O_mores So not true , it should be the last final G80 GPU that works on 98SE(patched). - I could not get around doing the test on Dell p.670 because my G80 died(*not fixed as of today).

[@LeGlod]

900 fps quake 2 lol

[@O_mores]

Oh, yeah! Rocket jump is somehow dependent on your frame rate... it can get interesting. :)

[@CovenantAgentLazarus]

Lmao I had a 7200 GS once. Absolute trash.

[@O_mores]

Yep, but hose 7200GS card were cheap, under 50$. " May 8th, 2007: Graphics cards equipped with the NVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS GPU are available today from e-tailers and retailers worldwide at aggressive prices under $50 and are being offered in PCs from leading OEMs and system builders. GeForce 7200 GS is designed to offer a low-cost upgrade from integrated graphics solutions and is built for Microsoft Windows Vista operating system. The NVIDIA GeForce 7200 GS performs up to 50% faster than the latest integrated graphics solutions in common 3D benchmark tests "

[@GrainGrown]

It's written NVIDIA, not "nVidia".

[@O_mores]

Yes, but for newer products. Originally Nvidia was using "nVidia" logo (still present in the driver's Control Panel at 09:28) and it was perfectly acceptable to use nVidia instead of Nvidia, check this post from 2004 for example: www.techspot.com/community/topics/geforce2-help.13593/

[@GrainGrown]

@@O_mores At your timestamp every instance of NVIDIA is written in all caps, like I said. And fans writing things wrong isn't a new or old thing, it has happened forever.

[@O_mores]

I was pointing to the nVidia logo image in the upper left corner. :)

[@GrainGrown]

@@O_mores Look at 2:20 also. Every written instance of NVIDIA is in all caps. A logo is a thing on its own, it's just graphics, a picture.

[@max_MXX]

I think both ways are correct unless you are doing a press release or something more official.