Let's Look Under The Old Girl's Apron Part Two

[@mukymuk3]

Boy oh boy, indeed. You know it's walk the talk when Keith just chuckles and gives it a thumbs up. Thanks to Jon Leggett.

[@jasonsmythe5313]

Keith, I have watched most of your videos and am thoroughly impressed with the understanding of your capabilities, the capacity to think 'outside-the-box', your common sense and approach to problem solving that can only be learned by apprenticeship, OJT, many years of experience and one's own mistakes along the way. School can teach you the basics but all that you do can only be done effectively with vast experience. When I was in grade school a spent a lot of time with the local fix-it man who repaired lawnmowers, was a gunsmith, hand sharpened saws for fine cabinet makers, and could repair almost anything mechanical with moving parts. If parts were not available, he made them by hand with only a drill press, hack saw and files. That's how I got my start. It is sad we have so few craftsmen today with skills like yours and my long deceased friend's. There is a sense of independence and self sufficiency in you two that I've always admired and strive to achieve for myself. I look forward to each new video you produce. I always learn a few new things. Thank you for taking the time to produce these videos. It is appreciated!

[@calraines6931]

Brings back memories of 25 years at Dresser's Olean, NY machine shop. Whenever things got slow it was time to clean and paint your machine. Color changed several times over the years, some good, some bad.

[@raincoast2396]

So far, a beautiful resurrection Keith. Your care and attention to the smallest of details shows. "Have to grind that, since I'm the one who has to look down into there". lol Cheers.

[@rickl.orchids]

........great work, great show, and does my heart good to see the continued outpouring of generosity towards those that are "teachers"..........Mr Fenner....your a rare person in the general population.........thank god for Utube... its not just your amazing machinist skills, your hard work ethics, and get er done" attitude......but we got a chance to meet and get to know the kind hearted, gentleman that does it all........Thanks for your time.........Lalor

[@tolydukhovny682]

wow! the quality of this work is going to have to be placed into the study materials for the young and the ambitious! thank you very much for showing it to us. i am glad that this kind of quality-with-understanding is still possible in this modern world. thank you, keith, for the video, -toly

[@lorenlieder9789]

Nice job on the painting of the Rutland lathe Keith.

[@shawnmrfixitlee6478]

Going to be a sweet lathe Keith , With yur touches , and the help of the youtube folks , it is going to be awesome !

[@robertburkhardt3019]

Nice Christmas gift for someone. Awesome work as usual.

[@billmoran3812]

Beautiful scraping job!

[@steamfan7147]

Keith,I had to do the same repair to the apron feed worm on my old Leblond lathe.It was worn nearly 3/8" back into the casting.I set the apron casting up in the horizontal mill and then line bored and faced both bores back clean and true.I added bronze bushings to bring the bores back to a running fit on the leadscrew and added needle thrust bearings and hard washers on both sides of the worm.Also made some this plastic seal rings to keep trash out of the needle bearings.Total backlash in that drive was reduced from 3/8" to about 1 thou.Feed operation afterwards was nearly instantaneous after engaging,the reapair and improvements made the machine feel like a whole new lathe.

[@KeithFenner]

Awesome, thanks for the comments and the share! ;{)-------

[@kjinohio5897]

One thing I've started doing is using Tractor paint from the local TSC store. They have all the colors but the best thing is you can add hardener. Reasonable priced and dries rock hard quickly with the hardener and does better with grease and oils. You don't have to wait days for it to cure and saves me time and no smudges from trying to rush the dry time. Don't mix a gallon at at time but I think most would realize that. those mini rollers are the berrys as you state. I use them for painting cabinets and such and gives a nice even finish as you say.

[@FKSPARTO]

very good scraping you have done there john.

[@warrenwise8127]

Check that out!! looking great! I have to say I love the chain dog on the belt assembly on your shaper!

[@lindsaynicholls3110]

freshens it up beautifully keith just easier on the eye

[@almfreak]

Very cool to watch, thanks for putting the effort into your videos. It's nice to sit and watch all this and learn so much about the machine but at the same time it's great to share in your personal sense of achievement as you bring this thing back to life.

[@matthewhelton1725]

That scrape job looks perfect, still had remnants of the blue. Nice! The paint rollers worked out very well.

[@jimzivny1554]

Great job! It'll literally be "better than new". John did a great job on scraping, it keeps you motivated!

[@machinesmotorcycles5511]

Thanks for the video and your very thorough explanation on everything you do

[@seery188]

Keith I'm jealous, that scraping😍

[@jerrylong381]

A precision scraped surface is a thing of beauty.

[@joetiller1031]

Lathe is looking great, its like making a silk purse out of a sows ear.

[@elmarqo_3448]

your lathe is lookin good. I like that hammered look paint. I used that stuff on the cooling shroud tins of the 1600cc motor in my '72 super beetle.

[@animalmother2242]

great project I'm defiantly following. have a similar size taiwan lathe I'm looking to upgrade the wipes and oilers.. can't wait to see more!!!

[@JostheRebel]

Awesome job as allways Keith ! The Rutland is gone be a worthy new edetion to the TWMW shop after you get done with it...

[@louisnemick317]

Looks great Keith

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

It started out looking a lot better than my lathe. Keep on keeping on.

[@tony01buck]

Great stuff Keith I hope you can find time to record part 3

[@Ron_EZ]

"Don't place the paint lid on a seat you might sit on" sounds like the voice of experience. LOL

[@lazaglider]

Haha..I suspect *someone* did that once, then went back to the house, sat down for a while, then stood up in the presence of the wife...and will NEVER EVER do it again...

[@mrbluenun]

Hello Keith, A huge thank you for a really super interesting video with some great visual and verbal advice with the machine and its painting. I never liked using rollers wen they first came out but the newer disposable ones and especially the modified one such as you did, I too did the same for painting the insides of heaters and display shelves, make it so much easier Thank you. Love the look of your ‘professional’ silver paint job Keith! It goes really well with the blue, though I can understand you wanted a different colour for whatever reason, it is nice, if I am understanding thing correctly the part you did silver or grey come silver is the part where the metal swarf will mainly be landing. I am writing this in addition to the first sentence/paragraph above as I had not seen the finished ‘GIB’ is it? - and what a great job done on IT, especially on the mating surfaces not usually seen. Just goes to show, as with many other instances in this trade ‘other very handy to know experts’ are there to help for-fill what will be a pretty special deed by way of the totally finished and working machine. Thank you once again Keith, Take care, mrbluenun, sending you my best wises from London England UK PS. Please forgive any errors, my laptop’s keyboard is in need of some maintenance more than I have the knowledge to do!

[@KeithFenner]

The whole machine will be painted hammered gray, after this section is done, we will pull covers and paint the rest as we tweak on other components. ;{)-----

[@mrbluenun]

Many tans for your kind reply Keith

[@dougbourdo2589]

Man, that's going to be a real nice small-medium size work tool. Love the enthusiasm. Interesting that the gibb is wedge shaped over the length. Would be interesting to see just how that is adjusted. (hint) :)

[@KPearce57]

Gonna look like a new penny, Great job.

[@splinky99]

That lathe looks exactly like a Grizzly G4003, except for the switch placement. The shift levers are all the same, and the hand wheels as well. Can't wait to see the DRO work, as I've been meaning to get one, and who better to figure out how best I should install it?

[@jeffg3575]

Hi Great video, can you go in to detail on the gap, please. cannot wait for it to go back, will if fit, or not LOL The wait is killing me. Keep up the great work, i look for new videos every day, as you can tell i have a lot of time on my hands. LOL

[@KeithFenner]

I don't know yet either! I hope so! ;{)------

[@mikenixon9164]

Nice video Keith only you could make a silk purse out of a sows ear!

[@billlee5307]

Looking great!

[@michaelfastoso]

Thank you, thank you thank you Once again you, Abom, and Ox, provide a wealth of information. All this talk about the gibb made me want to find out that the h3ll that is. Cut to, for the past 4 weeks I have been researching a cross slide vise for my drill press and I have been wondering what the 3 screws on the side of the slide were all about. Now I know, thanks Oh and I went for the Wilton vise, hoping the quality is better than the much lesser priced pacific rim product.

[@68sweetnovember]

You motivate me.....so I trust my, and our comments continue to motivate you :-) hugs Anna

[@dirtyknuclesde]

I had the same wear problem with my carriage drive worm and boss but I wound up milling it just a little bit bigger then using roller thrust bearings on both sides like you have on your cross slide.

[@DomManInT1]

"And right over here is a happy little cloud. Happy cloud."

[@witnessnz]

Life tips from Keith "don't put the paint lid on a seat you might sit on" :) hehe

[@stuarthardy4626]

Maybe from experience 😀😱

[@CatNolara]

Yeah, that sounded like he spoke from experience :D

[@WAVETUBE84]

Cool show.

[@toolguy6057]

Looking Good!

[@firstlast7867]

Nice job as always. Do you find Rustoleum is dissolved by oil? Is it possible for you to explain what was done in the scrapping process to assure alignment? Dennis L.

[@yamadeal8286]

Labor of love ! Won't it be nice to work with when you are finished with it.

[@MattOGormanSmith]

Why do they have separate power drive shafts and threading lead screws? Is it all about keeping the leadscrew pristine for nice thread cutting? I'm putting a stepper motor on the leadscrew of my little lathe, which is gonna have to serve both purposes.

[@Drmcunningham]

I missed the first part of the video and had to go back. Until I did, I thought you were painting with a tampon and was going to ask what brand you preferred. For light or heavy flow? 😂

[@theseeker26253]

It seems likely that this lathe will operate better after the refurbish than it did new.

[@truracer20]

I can't wait to see this lathe get er done. I have to assume this lathe project is happening now to take some pressure off while you rehab the big lathe?(and to make the parts for that as well)

[@catfishgray651]

GOOD JOB KEITH AN VIDEO...

[@bcbloc02]

Where is a good place to find the various machine felts?

[@KeithFenner]

mcmaster.com has a good selection. ;{)------

[@SootySweep22]

Hey Keith, I'm enjoying the progress on this lathe. On a production value note, have you tried adding a filter on your audio, in post production, that cuts off anything on the mic after a certain frequency? That would eliminate the hiss that is a result of high gain from those lapel mics.

[@SootySweep22]

If you're interested, you could send me your audio tracks and I'd do it for you. Let me know.

[@Lorddarthvader1701]

That lathe has Detroit Lions colors, nice

[@1jtolvey]

GREAT VIDEO !!

[@nickgill8759]

Can you put Jon Leggett's details in the description. I can't find him "Jon Leggett scraping" on google

[@powerelectronicsguyl306]

Keith, have you ever considered modifying this project with zero backlash leadscrews and adding a motor kit for CNC operations?

[@KeithFenner]

Yes and then I stopped! I may not be able to make it a Starrett but it will be every bit a good Mitutoyo! LOL ;{)------

[@wjward8602]

I have the Harbor Freight version of this lathe, about 8 years old. Made in China. I took the gap insert out, found a bunch of crud underneath it. It looks like the crud was between the surfaces when the ways were machined. Anyway, I have not been able to get the insert reinstalled to my satisfaction. I figure I should be able to use a DTI and not detect any difference between the gap insert and the fixed ways. I don't know what to do. Also, what thickness of F5 felt and where to you get this from?

[@tolbaszy8067]

Before making theses superb videos, did you talk to yourself in the shop, as if "Bad Keith" was right there trying to thwart progress? You have a very good conversational manner that is educationally addictive!

[@roberthorner8494]

YOU WILL HAVE A NEW MACHINE WHEN YOU GET DONE. GOOD JOB.

[@jeffreymurdock8366]

ok where can I get one of your Turn Wright hats.

[@TheBackyardMachineShop]

Keith that lathe is starting to come around, What role is goung to play in your shop.

[@KeithFenner]

A good second operation and detail small turning project lathe. My Clausing lathe is to big for some of the projects I'm wanting to get into. ;{)------

[@IntegraDIY]

Good video

[@iceinkfxc8595]

Hi Keith, when you disassemble the cap screws and or the tapered pin posts, do you pay attention as to putting them back in the same whole location or is that a concern?? Thank you for a wonderful program.

[@KeithFenner]

I will show putting it back in and the way I clean and set it in place, then install the pins and socket head cap screws.

[@iceinkfxc8595]

thank you for reply, I am self teaching myself machine shop. Of course time pending with other work. I enjoy how you explain how to do and why in set ups etc...

[@63256325N]

Thanks Keith.

[@Ron_EZ]

You didn't have to sand or prime B4 painting?

[@KeithFenner]

I just degreased and scraped of bad areas. ;{)------

[@paulbarton397]

That color you have is awfully close to Chinese Truck Blue. I don't know how it is now. But 12 years ago it seemed that every industrial truck on the road from Shanghai to Chongching was painted the same blue color -- a somewhat less saturated version of the same hue you got there.

[@CompEdgeX2013]

Looking good. Blue or grey looks fine to me. :-)

[@stepcorngrumbleteats7683]

Keith, you and Tom Lipton should collaborate on "Shipping Box Technologies". I know I'd find it useful.

[@timtrott4145]

Looks great so far, really starting to shine.I have to ask though,how are the spindle bearings? Solid or roller or tapered roller? can play be adjusted or (if needed) replaced?

[@KeithFenner]

Yes bearings can be replaced, and also adjusted I believe. ;{)------

[@jcs6347]

Hi Keith, what brand and type of paint did you use? Thanks for the video series!

[@KeithFenner]

I Showed the can of Rustoleum Hammered Gray, Here's a link; www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/stops-rust/hammered/

[@jcs6347]

Ok thanks for the note back!

[@jesscneal]

This may be a dumb question but why paint it when the blue paint job appears to be fine? Just curious...

[@KeithFenner]

The blue paint job was done very poorly and a little to dark for hunting small parts, on bed or around in chip pan. ;{)------

[@SuperSwitched]

Masterfully done Keith. I was going to suggest a thrust washer/bushing, but you mentioned it LOL. What is the difference between "oilite" and the material you chose (curiosity)?

[@KeithFenner]

544 phosphor bronze rods, offer excellent machinability and above average formability. Resistant to stress cracking and fatigue. oilite is a Self-lubricating sintered bronze impregnated with higher temperature lubricant. ;{)------

[@SuperSwitched]

Keith Fenner Got you Keith :) We always used oilite bushing because of it lubricity. e.g wear resistant, mind you expensive. I am simply asking the man :) and simply wonder would you have used it if you had it on hand, vice what you used.

[@aceroadholder2185]

Most of the Asian bench lathe owners manuals don't mention that about once a month, if the lathe is used daily, reach under the apron with a hand full of grease and lubricate the worm and gear. I'd want to wipe it down beforehand to get all the chips (aka grinding compound) like Keith found in his lathe's worm and gear. Don't know if that would prevent the wear that Keith found, but it might help. You don't want to be trying to find replacement worms and gears (and half-nuts as well).

[@KeithFenner]

I had both on hand! ;{)------

[@SuperSwitched]

Keith Fenner LOL Never answer a simple Q do you Keith. I deferred to the Master of Get 'er done for an opinion, got a cheaky answer. How else are we suppose to add/increase our wisdom and learn :(

[@oh8wingman]

What exactly is the "scraping" process used and how is it done? I have never heard this term before which is okay because I am not a machinist but a welder.

[@KeithFenner]

I found this information might shed light; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_scraper ;{)-------

[@oh8wingman]

Okay, I now understand the premise and the method. Thank you. Strangely enough, although I did not realize it, I inherited a three sided bushing scraper, along with the rest of my Father's tools, similar to the one shown in the picture. I always thought it was some kind of weird file.

[@Bigrignohio]

Rubber band around the can (across the opening and bottom) will give you something to wipe your brush on without gunking up the rim of the can.

[@TSKseattle]

Hey Keith - did you get a new closing theme music bed? Sounds a little jazzier.

[@KeithFenner]

I added a little of the same loop just a different section of the same loop to cover the photos. ;{)------

[@elmertudball7671]

Won't painting the gap raise the way insert?

[@KeithFenner]

if you paint between the matting surfaces! LOL ;{)------

[@Rolingmetal]

I painted my lathe black today.

[@billdlv]

Looks good Keith. Did you source that felt from McMaster-Carr?

[@KeithFenner]

Thanks, Yes I did bill. ;{)-----

[@keldsor]

Hi Keith ! I nie advi e for free ... that tray you have ... put it in a small plastic bag ... then you need no cleaning ;-))

[@DSCKy]

Yep, most of us ENCO type owners will never pull the bed out. :)

[@aceroadholder2185]

Some Asian lathe builders recommend that the gap not be pulled. The ways were ground after the gap was installed and getting it back perfectly is iffy. The rough finish is probably the reason. I'm not a fan of gap bed lathes, especially where the gap is cut into a bed that wasn't specifically designed to have a gap in it like the lathe in the video.

[@aserta]

His big lathe is a gap lathe, and he pulls that just fine. That one is also ground after, there's no other way to do it.

[@ronalddavis]

So the whole purpose of the gap is to swing a large diameter piece.If they don't recommend that you remove the gap then why have it at all?Just make a one piece bed. A lot of this Asian stuff is pretty on the outside but rough where you don't normally look.Im sure this lathe will suit keiths needs which is probably just occasional use cutting metric threads etc,

[@aceroadholder2185]

Now Ronald, there you go thinking again! I suppose that all the builders had to have a gap-bed machine to match their competitors. The lathe retailers were trying to out do each other with the features of the lathes they sold. The same thing happened when geared head bench lathes were the hot item. Rather than building a belt drive machine with a properly made way to change the motor and jack shaft belts, they built spur gear head stocks. If you were careful you could sometimes change spindle speeds faster than you could on an old South Bend flat belt drive lathe. You also lost speed changes.. usually 12 down to 9. Corners have been cut in other places as well. Fully enclosed quick change boxes were paid for by reducing the number of threads and feeds available vs. an open QCB. 13" lathes replaced most 12" machines with the simple expedient of jacking up the head stock, tail stock and compound by 1/2 inch. The beds and carriages are identical. These Asian lathes are built to a price, so detail of finish usually isn't very good. If given a choice, spring for a Taiwanese machine... you'll be glad you spent the extra money.

[@blacksmithden]

I absolutely agree with you Aceroadholder. The bedways were ground with the gap in place. Removing it, then sanding it's seat, painting it, ect will with 100% certainty change it's height. It is now almost impossible to get the gap piece true with the stationary ways unless you want to do a LOT of shimming or sanding, checking every single time you make a change. The removable gap on my lathe will never be removed under any circumstances.

[@dizzolve]

Keith what kind of watch are you wearing - I like the face. Thanks in advance

[@CatNolara]

Are you going to paint it all grey? Half of it is still blue...

[@KeithFenner]

Thats what what is nice about rolling on the paint, take on section at a time, after I put the carriage back together we will be pulling the other end off and doing a few things there and add paint at that time. no sense in spreading parts and projects all over at the same time. ;{)------

[@CatNolara]

Ah, ok, that seems to be a good way to go :)

[@EitriBrokkr]

I've always wondered how do you scrap in a set of dovetailed ways, and keep everything parallel and the, the flats you can check with a surface plate, but getting the angles correct and the two sides parallel escapes me

[@robertkutz]

keith looking good nice color.==bob

[@jmh8743]

lead screw half housing. housing(s) misaligned an half nuts hard to engage. then one day very easy. right UNFINISHED TOOLING unfinished tooling. ordered 4 sets, received 4 sets all wrong. 0.020 and 0.040 the other way. Engagement from new was difficult. well duh ! better look. Wow John took a questionable part and turned it to gold. Congrats Keith. I'll send you a pic on

[@BuggsK100RS]

Dont put the paint tin lid on a seat you might use! Speeking from Experance there??

[@goph999]

What about that crooked propeller shaft. Did you forget that?

[@KeithFenner]

no it's still here, I'm shuffling around on my projects! LOL ;{)------

[@nekoroms]

Soon you have reworked that lathe so much you can make it to a "turnwright" brand lathe :D

[@nekoroms]

or "TurnRight"

[@aarongarney2118]

Keith, I think you made this video for the sole purpose of putting the words "virgin screw" together.

[@emildekoven4872]

.....blue trumps grey, but tradition seems to rule....

[@paulduffey7975]

Only ten per cent gave a like. Curious. I thought at first Keith had painted the gap surface. I was wondering why when he removed the tape. duh. Thanks Keith.

[@wnebergall]

just wanted to let you know that my heroes are John Wayne Bugs Bunny and Keith Fenner

[@grandpacocky7618]

We can stay!

[@bluesparksfromhell]

Just remember, Delrin expands up to +10% when wet....

[@rdon53]

at some point and I don't know when it was Taiwanese (tools) in general were thought of as top the the second tier of (tools), I have Delta and Porter Cable woodworking tools made in Taiwan, I guess the drive to make things cheaper and more profitable keep pushing manufactures to cheaper labor markets where "standards' tend to get in the way.

[@jimmymymtv2254]

SWEEEETTT!!

[@aserta]

At the end of the day, from an Asian lathe i'd be happy with two things, quality metal, and better precision. If those two can be matched with other lathes, i wouldn't care if it looked like someone barfed it in to shape. Unfortunately, they skimp on the metal, which, even if the lathe is accurate new, in time, it will wear out and there's not much you can do about that. And then you're in trouble with the other I in this whole deal, investment. Because it's no match, and with time, you've lost it.

[@jeffg3575]

But you only paid 1/4 of the price for a new lathe. nearly 40 years old & in that condition. I would buy one, oh i did. LOL

[@kokodin5895]

Are all US machinists in some strange agreement or something? Why are you all painting your lathes grey? Why it is always grey? Paint it yellow, pink , orange or green, even that blue was mych nicer color.

[@stephenwagar2663]

Shes Gonna Be Real Purdy