Let's Play SimCity 4 - Honestville - 01 - Welcome to Honestville

[@bklacrosse2052]

I'm so glad someone is actively playing sim city 4 still! Loving it so far!

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@bklacrosse2052]

@@RobsRedHotSpot never been great at the game. Always loved watching my dad. After watching this series a bit I've been experimenting with my own city, and I have to say I'm seeing results! Thanks!

[@clawscrab3497]

I still play it. Even when I take a break from it I always end up going back to it :D

[@rubidiumeater]

Yeah! Me too! I love this game! Too bad the CD’s don’t work anymore.

[@eenayeah]

Your commentary is absolutely TOP-NOTCH. It's nice listening to someone who knows his stuff and knows a game so well. I couldn't believe I listened to everything you said in the whole 19-minute intro. Not many Let's Players are this smart anymore. 😂 Definitely subscribing!

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Glad the commentary is appreciated!

[@BeckyAngelix]

Stooooked! I've been playing since 2003 and just in the first few minutes of this video you'd blown my mind so many times ha ha...

[@helensissons7221]

Hi Rob, Aussie here! Love for you to name that bay in the first city 'Forshore Bay' as you always say "for sure!" and I love it! (or any bay for that matter) Also any region "Hells Bells" would be great too. Thanks heaps for your series I just got through plantation bay as I only came back to Sim City after about 12 yrs absence so have really learnt heaps. Cheers Helen.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I have noted these names and will put them in soon :)

[@helensissons7221]

@@RobsRedHotSpot Just a quick question on the Region map, I downloaded it and did the Shift+Alt+Ctrl+R and selected the image file in the file directory (tried all of them the .bmp, .jpg and .png) but just get an error message about it being too big on the .jpg one and nothing on the other two (ie region size too big 2561 should be 1025). I am new to this so not sure how to make it work. I did manage to get the plantation bay map, just not sure on what to do with this one. Any assistance appreciated.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I'm going to do a video on downloaded region maps soon, but for now, here's a link to a recent forum discussion with lots of tips. You'll want to download SC4Mapper, a program that handles a lot of the maps from the STEX. community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/48767-region-bitmap-size-incorrect/?tab=comments#comment-1735721

[@helensissons7221]

@@RobsRedHotSpot Yeah I am Missecho on there and restarted that discussion. I have figured it all out now, and even made a few maps after Corie posted her corimaps link using clouds. Been having a bit of fun mucking around with that!

[@ryanstutzman1012]

Glad to see someone else still plays simcity. I used to play religiously growing up and have recently gotten back into it. Not sure if someone else has said it, but I noticed when you are planting trees in god mode, you can hold shift to have a bigger area. Really helps on the large city blocks.

[@dontwakedaddy657]

Hey Rob, great start to the new series. I especially like the region name. I’m glad you took the suggestion in the spirit it was given. I was a little worried, didnt want you to think I was trolling. I know it must be hard to offer a commentary throughout the whole video. It reminds me of my experience at the Hockey Hall of Fame many moons ago. There was a display with clips from games that allowed the visitor to provide play-by-play into a microphone. Once the red light came on it becomes very apparent just how difficult is to describe the action. I’ve had a new respect for sports announcers ever since. Thanks for the recent mod video too!

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

It was a perfect suggestion! If I was sensitive to people pointing out my verbal ticks I wouldn't last long on KZbin lol. Honestville fits my "realism" criteria too.

[@Eralen00]

just found your channel and this is really cool. i love how you relate your game decisions to concepts in real cities, i even learned a thing or two.

[@BernieBushell-yv4eo]

Thanks for sharing this video. SIM city 4 is one of the few city building games that still holds up to todays games that has great gameplay with lots players can do. Even though game released many years ago. This game has tons of replay value. So every time we play a new game it can be a fun new adventure to see how new city built💕

[@sErgEantaEgis12]

I'm amazed at your patience and tolerance for terrain that isn't completely flat. Having small bumps here and there drive me insane.

[@rachelness366]

I love the bumps. Looks so much better plus adds land value.

[@Whipped_Creamy]

Respect to the amount of thought and realism you put into this. This is exactly what I set out to watch today. Instant Subscribe

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Glad you're enjoying the series!

[@javiermontoya6849]

52:40 "We will not be having to...uh...build...uh...you know, schools every fucking 4 blocks." Spoken like a true mayor.

[@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w]

Oh dear gosh that music is so nostalgic! .... sadly no game has ever come close to Sim city 4, even skylines just isnt the same to me.

[@_mwk]

I did just listen to an hour-long lecture on city blocks in different countries

[@AidanJonesComedy]

Just re-downloaded Sim City 4 and started playing after 15 years and these videos are phenomenally helpful and fun! Thanks for posting man, excited to see what happens with Honestville!!

[@tythorn13]

Man I'm glad to see someone actively playing sim city 4. This game was amazing as a kid, and is definitely the best city builder to date imo.

[@vgnvideogameninja2930]

Cities Skylines is better.

[@user-yx7dp2pl8t]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 No. Wrong.

[@valornash8463]

@@vgnvideogameninja2930 City Skylines is a better pure builder; it is a terrible management game

[@michaelfrye9864]

Fantastic looking forward to this play though

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@ast-og-losta]

Ive been playing this game since it came out. Nothing beats it.

[@35mmfilmhandler]

Awesome!!! Right around 52:30 in you dropped the F-bomb, and again around 1:10:00, while in the beginning of the episode you say "Hey Kids!" Awesome, it's almost like you know your audience is older kids (30-40's).

[@chongjunxiang3002]

Samonella do this like all the time lol... 'hey kid' and then all the grotesque content right ahead.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

That's the general idea! We're all kids--and the younger ones have gotta learn somewhere, right?

[@lees8359]

I mean yeah in a way were all kids For our entire life

[@RyuuTenno]

If you want to access the trees to cover your city: Ctrl + Shift + Alt; then click on the God Mode button, and it will reopen the terrain tools. I use that for filling cities with trees if I ever forget to do that. 52x52 feet is the measurement of a single tile, as 4x4 tiles equals 1 acre (~208ft x ~208ft). The original tile sizes in SC2K & SC3K were measured at 1 acre each. But, I did some research and such at one point to figure the whole thing out, and that's how I came across the 52 foot measure. This change in area is also the primary reason behind why players can no longer import their older cities from previous games, because the technology wasn't powerful enough, plus, the sudden change in structure would result in players simply having to rebuild their entire city (this time in smaller tiles). It's just easier to start fresh, and simply continue on with the older versions of SimCity, if you wish to carry on with your wonderful cities in those games. The imports, also retroactively (i think, could be wrong), established the tiles as being 1 acre large, as the tiles followed a 1:1 ratio from SC1 through to SC3K.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I never knew about the God Mode thing I'll have to try it! Also thanks for the info about the earlier games! There are a lot of things I like about SC3K and I'll probably be doing a playthrough at some point on this channel.

[@lees8359]

Heh i wanted to inform about the God mode too but you've done it already

[@MrDarkOptik]

@@RobsRedHotSpot You could also, use "flora blast XXX XXX XXX" where the X's is the number of trees to add across the whole map, i find 250 250 250 to be a good balance, but you can go crazy with upwards of 5000 5000 5000...

[@mirrorgs]

At last, I can get my SimCity 4 fix again

[@222CCXXII]

I get the clouds too. In the video options I turn clouds off. I find they interfere with my gaming.

[@t.m.larson1283]

Really good idea to expand under low density and then as necessary build pockets of high density in your “downtown“ sections. Currently building plantation Bay for myself and quickly over inundated myself with infrastructural failures by planning districts in high density. When I realized my failure I paused plantation bay region and started a 3 x 3 large map on planes. No mountains valleys or waterways. My purpose was to develop the skills in order to have my center mat be my downtown area and the peripheral tiles all supporting each other. I started on my center tile and developed the top right quadrant. When demand for other cities started becoming higher I moved over to the tile to the right and developed that tile in the top left corner. Both of these small districts are only separated by The equivalent of a medium sized map if not less. Placing a monorail express line from each city with subway and bus stops at both ends. I have had great success in expanding the central city with this technique. But I always plan my districts out and place low or medium density and then as population demand increases I turn low density into medium and medium density into high density. But I only have high density residential wear my high density commercial office buildings are planned.

[@drangusbadger1976]

This is one of the games that initially brought me to the entire PC gaming scene - I remember getting NAM back in ~2009. It's incredible that this is still being updated, I guess it's time to reinstall the game and get to mods.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Sounds like you don't have a choice ;)

[@GenuineLolotov]

The complaint about wanting bigger tiles seems to be a recurring theme for the newer Sim City games. And as crazy as it may sound, I almost enjoy watching someone who knows what they're doing (or at least looks like it) design a region in this game more than playing it myself.

[@Neurotripsicks]

This is one of the best games ever made. I'm going to start playing it again.

[@matheusimon7316]

Something I found to help me build a residencial grid of 6x6 faster is to count 6 roads and see the price, with roads of I am not mistaken is 60, hardly ever it goes more than that

[@nekonacha2607]

i finally understand how to take care of a city. you explained very well!

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Big_Frizzle]

Finally clicked on the first tile almost 19 minutes in LOL, good video though

[@Ravel327]

60 meters converts to 196 ft. for my fellow Americans

[@alsornet]

I like the Industrial Doublers and Residential Halvers... but i'm having hard time accepting realism of Commercial Doublers and Triplers - especially for starting low density buildings - when i click on "Small Shops" and there is something like 60-90 people working... Anyone else feels that? Or you guys think it's realistic enough?

[@WildsDreams45]

I liked growing a town into the other maps so that when it's time to become a city it can be a cluster fuck like the East Coast.

[@gerardo7548]

I have my SimCity 4 CD but my CD/DVD player is dead and today the us dolar is very expensive here (Argentina) so, I will only buy hardware if it is extremely neccessary. The problem is, I can't install the NAM because the new version refuses to work with no-cd versions of the game, and the older NAM versions cannot be founded. How can I install or replace the mod? Thanks

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

You should ask around on Simtropolis! I've never modded the CD version of the game and have the Steam version.

[@gerardo7548]

@@RobsRedHotSpot thanks

[@SineN0mine3]

I found a steam code on g2a for around $3 last week, until recently I only had the Origin CD - replacement version. I'd highly recommend buying a copy on steam or anywhere but Origin, since they refuse to provide people who bought the CD with the patched version. That means even if you don't want to use NAM you can't install the 4GB patch, which was pretty necessary to stop crashes imo. Prices on G2A change every day so it might not be so cheap today, but if you check every now and then you might get lucky.

[@daveyy420]

thank you for getting me back into this game!

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

No problem! Glad you're enjoying it!

[@valornash8463]

This series is so good!

[@FrenchiKO]

Montreal :D Lovely city i had the chance to visit !

[@migrantworker7189]

Hi Rob, I have a naming meta-suggestion for you: when you rename the regions, you could keep some sort of reference to their original technical names. Sort of like Paris's arrondissements, which have both a name and a number that are both in popular use. Also I'm curious to see how the doubled radiuses would work with your play style. Personally I found that they reduce the cost of providing services so much that the financial challenge is almost completely removed, which does not sound very realistic either.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I was thinking of exactly such a system for renaming, with numbered "wards"! As for the doubled radiuses, we'll see how they affect budget. We'll need the same amount of services as with the normal radiuses but there will likely be less overlap in terms of bussing and ambulances, so there will be savings there. I'll try and remember to talk about that next episode. The residential halver may counteract this to some degree, as more transportation and other infrastructure will be needed to support the same number of sims. The bottom line is that the budget is never very realistic in SimCity 4 and large cities tend to make tons of money regardless, so I was willing to make a trade-off in terms of convenience, less micromanagement, and more realistic radiuses. It would be interesting to see if there is a "realistic budget" or "budget rebalance" mod out there.

[@franshendrix1404]

Ok, previous post deleted, since I have the map shown.. next issue: leveling out the city edges. It seems SC4 wants to do this for every tile. Does anyone has either a funcitional one without doing that leveling all the time? Or is someone willing to send a blank region as in the video ? Also, it turns the edges to water even though land is on the other side. Weird

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I do not recommend reconciling edges unless you have nothing built in the adjacent tiles. If you are going to reconcile edges, do all of your terraforming before you start building in all of the tiles.

[@byron916mauck]

Here we go!!

[@paulrudolf2472]

@Rob's Red Hot Spot , I know it's been more than a year since you've published this series, but I have a question for you. (others may answer also). After saving the map with SC4 Mapper, do you load and save each city tile, or is there a utility that does this. Doing this manually for a large map could take hours! Thanks in advance.

[@TonyaPerry]

i found that loading each tile is what makes the map look normal, before you load them all it looks very very low quality, that the best way i can describe it. I wish i knew how Rob got the water and sand color this way! it is NOT this color straight on the Atlanta region download.

[@chongjunxiang3002]

My study on map: With this flatland, I hope you can take more challenging gameplay, such as more curvy road, European agrarian townships etc.

[@chongjunxiang3002]

Name suggestion, Pioneerhead. Dedicated for tip of the bay in the first neighborhood.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I've noted that name and location and will put it in soon! Paying more attention to aesthetics is certainly on my list of things to do for this region. I'll be building out from one central tile with less back-and-forth, so I'll try and put some finishing touches on each area before moving to the less.

[@Michiganmayor420]

This is amazing keep going :) You shuld name a far off small town after me

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

What name would you like me to use?

[@PablooF91]

Do you like the SPAM mod for the farms?

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I have used it in the past with mixed results, but am strongly considering installing it for this region!

[@clawscrab3497]

I downloaded the Altana region but it's not showing up in my list of regions. Any help would be appreciated.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

You should install the Altana region and other large regions using SC4Mapper, available here: sc4devotion.com/csxlex/lex_filedesc.php?lotGET=2880

[@marckowens9970]

I started it because I need inspiration for a big simcity proyect... I love it! A question: why you disables the Save and Exit option?

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

The Save and Exit and Save and Exit to Region buttons are known to cause file corruption. It's a _really_ bad idea to click those buttons.

[@CesarDiaz-kd1bs]

Suggestion for a region name. What about Bodega Bay from the Hitchcock movie The Birds.

[@td7154]

How did you make the config file? I have no idea what size to make it or how. Can you or did you make the SC4 Mapper video you were thinking of making? If not can you use this one as an example? BYW. I am hooked on your SimCity4 videos.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Just posted the video on SC4Mapper ;)

[@mitchhoward9181]

How do you configure regions to use in the game. 🤔

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I have a tutorial on that! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJyUoWqud7-mask

[@chrisbesserer]

Any advice on how to download and get the map set up? My SC4 keeps crashing when I load the map

[@noojelly]

Have you installed the 4gb patch and applied it to your SC4 app?

[@davedeath]

There's an option to turn the clouds off under video options.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

They don't get in the way too often, but I should consider temporarily turning it off next time the "wall-of-clouds" appears in the regional view.

[@nikolai1714]

Can you add mods on steam? Using MacBook so downloading mods etc is difficult

[@NortelGeek]

Gordon Ramsay is working on Literallyville...

[@grygry12345]

How can I find this mods I know BSC Functional Seaports, NAM, IH Fix and 4GB Patch however I can't find multiplier mods anywhere. Is there any tool for multiply Residential, Industrial or Services.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

RES halver: community.simtropolis.com/files/file/12383-residential-population-halving-mod/ COM doubler: community.simtropolis.com/files/file/25651-commercial-services-doubler/ IND quadrupler: community.simtropolis.com/files/file/21293-industry-quadrupler/

[@grygry12345]

@@RobsRedHotSpot Thanks I can play now and building cities more realistic

[@purereality73]

@@RobsRedHotSpot bookmark

[@mrgooglethegreat]

Hey Rob ...I found this old video of yours to ask are you going to try this new cities skylines 2? I remember like me ...u didn't care for that game. Recently after hearing part 2 is coming I've been trying out part 1 with all these add ons and size. It's still not anything like Sim City. From the developer vids tho it seems they've cleared all the parts of Sim City 4 that we missed. So again will you try it. I plan on it

[@lucv13]

I like to use Skyrim for the main area and using it's vast list of cities and towns in my builds!

[@CakeTopFrag]

I do that with my cities in Civ6 hahaha or borderlands area names.

[@danielvanderstelt]

Setting up since long! Nice. Question to anyone, NAM has version 39 .... should I use that or where do I get 37 ... thnks

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

You should use v. 39

[@LordofLent]

Hi Rob! Great plans for the new region. Quick question - I noticed you zone 1x3 a lot. It fits the (realistic) block size perfectly but if I do the same I always have a "gentrification" issue. High wealth sims move in right between housing projects. It is my understanding that they don't grow on smaller lot sizes. Simcity doesn't simulate this well - buildings can only go down in wealth rather than go up as is happening in real life cities right now. I always end up with ridiculous, unrealistic low-rise mansions right in my city centre. Do you know of a way to prevent this without playing tricks with taxation? Thanks. Note: I normally play on large tiles and try to have mixed cities rather than separate wealth using tiles. Additionally, is there any way to mod in mixed zoning, or are we stuck with the current model vanilla SC4 provides?

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

It's true that gentrification is only modelled in the game through new construction, not renovation of working class housing which is a common feature in many Western cities. Having the manors in the city centre is not entirely unrealistic--many cities in North America have a mix of single family homes and apartment buildings in the city centre (look at Toronto, for example). New York had detached mansions in the Upper East Side until about 75 years ago, when developers started tearing them down to build high rises, leading to criticism from heritage groups (a similar thing happened in the 1960s in my home town Montreal). If you want to prevent this ingame, zoning medium density from the start (and providing water) will do the trick in most cases. You can also hold down the CTRL button when zoning to force particular zone sizes. I don't use CTRL because it prevents the zones from reconfiguring automatically and it's micro-intensive.

[@guitarnerd19]

Hi Rob, new to the game. Is there a current Radius Double mod you are currently using? The one I found is from 2005, not sure if there is a newer one? Thank :)

[@chongjunxiang3002]

My current naming scheme is 100% brutal, based on land survey coordinate: X-Y (X: west-east 1-10. Y:: north-south, 1-10) Currently dealing with 10-9 lol

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I think I'm going to go with a Paris-style numbered arrondissement system coupled with names submitted by users so every district will have a number and a name.

[@EvanSutton2015]

Is their a way you can post a Mod folder online for us to download

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

It's a bit problematic to redistribute other people's mods in any kind of public way, otherwise I would!

[@rottenpoet6675]

Isnt it better to zone the minimal allowed farms? 4x4 or 6x6 instead the big ones? and just make more smaller farms

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Depends on what you want visually! You may get more jobs with smaller farms but it'll look crazy.

[@widecomptecnologia]

This Altana map on my computer looks smaller and I don't know what am I doing wrong.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Not sure what mean by smaller! It's possible you changed the resolution of the jpeg or the bitmap file, but doubtful. I'd head to Simtropolis for more detailed troubleshooting.

[@widecomptecnologia]

@@RobsRedHotSpot I found your post at Simtropolis about map rendering of plantation bay and Honestville.

[@darkstorminc]

I think one thing you fail to do is provide C$ and C$$ jobs scattered along the roads in R$/R$$ locations. Even small towns will have commercial along the main strip. It might only be small mom n pop shops.

[@nathanbentley1939]

I did some digging as to why the federal prison and casino didn't unlock and I found something that might interest you. It's a list of all of the game's reward buildings, and the requirements to unlock them: wiki.sc4devotion.com/index.php?title=Tutorial:How_to_get_Maxis_Rewards#03380000_Prison According to this guide, the prison requires a population of 5,000, and the casino requires a population of 24,000. That's why they weren't being offered to you.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Yeah I've seen that thread before! Very useful :)

[@admiralcasperr]

300k per 4kmx4km area is 19-ish-k per square km. So far from 60k per square km.

[@matthewbennett631]

YES. AT LAST Hey Rob. Could you name some major thoroughfares after important philosophers? Maybe stuff like "Spinoza Parkway," "Aquinas Avenue," etc.?

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I absolutely love this idea! Once I have a consistent street grid I will make a chronological list (like alphabetical or numbered streets but with philosophers) and do this.

[@matthewbennett631]

@@RobsRedHotSpot That would be so cool! I'm glad you liked my idea! Great content, keep it up!

[@Maelael]

I have a city name suggestion of Ladylake hope you think of it

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I've noted this name and will put it in soon!

[@festazombie8042]

yo rob I've just started to design my own region on sim city 4 but it's going to take me along time to do since i made a 25x25 region & am still playing it like a noob with no mods or fixes to the game lol

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Enjoy the series and the game! Check out my modding guide in the tutorial series if you're looking for a list of essential bugfixes.

[@bretly2069]

Yayy!

[@ReginaldBostic360]

I really appreciate the video. I need your help on installing the mods to my sc4 games can help me with that🙏🙏🙏

[@sukasuka7292]

I loled when you get red. These farms don't give much profit though.

[@C4Reining]

Great knowledge. Good insight all around for the game. The hissing and sucking of the commentator's breath, I could do without. Although it's my own personal pet peeve, it's still a trait I believe someone who narrates should try to avoid while commenting.

[@themarssupialsparaguay4504]

i wanna see the gameplay but i see 14 min of nothing

[@themarssupialsparaguay4504]

sorry was 21 min no 14

[@themarssupialsparaguay4504]

sorry i have problems in home

[@Alex43857]

This guy actin like he doin rocket science

[@SiriusSam]

28:27 Are you being sarcastic ? I don't understand why obliterate city over missing some trees.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

I had actually forgotten that you can use CTRL-SHIFT-ALT click on the god mode to get free trees, so not being sarcastic--I was just wrong, lol.

[@minukutty3772]

Why Player is Making So Long

[@Johnlmooring]

I love this game. Playing on Mac. I wish EA would go back to this formula. I really don't like the SimCity Build it. SimCity 4 is the the best.

[@Lowraiser1]

me honestly ... listen for about 8 min ... sorry correcting now ....15 min ... 18 min now ...23 min now to start some stuff and looking at a cursor flipping around is a real nightmare ... i do like the action after tough ...

[@steveghawtin]

Just love it when nothing happens in a video for the first 20 minutes.

[@TonySki]

16 Meters is 52 Feet.

[@joshuasweetman4903]

Isnt one tile 16 meters square - which is 172 sq feet

[@StaleBearFarts]

I would have gone with SUCK-IN-AIR City

[@GuyCorrino]

Very nice. Looking forward to the next episode. I actually tried the CAM 2.1 mod now. It is bit of a pain to install, but I come to really like it now. Cities are more diverse and they grow somewhat slower. I will link you an Blog entry about the mod, which got me in the first place: simtarkus.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/the-cam-colossus-addon-mod-separating-fact-from-fiction/ Maybe somthing for a future Sim City Season :) Oh and a little Slope Mod would improve the apperance of your city.

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

Hey! I decided against the CAM as a matter of personal preference, but I may do a mini-series using it at some point. It is certainly a very interesting mod. As for the slope mod, the NAM 37 includes some new slope and curve smoothing so I'd like to see how it behaves out of the box before adding any further mods on top of it.

[@GuyCorrino]

@@RobsRedHotSpot Okay. However I really like your realistic aproach!

[@ast-og-losta]

It is a pain to install. Im running it now in a new region with NAM 38. Started with a fresh install.

[@GuyCorrino]

@@ast-og-losta Yeah it is!

[@tr3ki295]

The half of the video: uuh... eeh... and... ssooo... *sniffing*, *clatter*, *stuttering*.

[@aparnapatil4474]

Yes

[@maedero05]

Simcity player you have in everykind off.. Simulation like your more on the oiginal gameplay like vanilla , hard mode game restricted offer this in most ways. Quadruppler mod´s I think won´t fit that profile completely, except if the ivics won´t produce what we ought expect. Rail works best of there freight and passenger stations first. Bus stations I see no great real use for except if a area isn´t reacheble with other way 1 So think of your transportation before laying industrial or agriculture zones as afhterwards there´s no other way then road ttransportation !

[@unknownpwn428]

Dude. Edit out the first 30 min of you blathering before finally deciding on a region. The rest is great.

[@psm767]

cities skylines is the best

[@Universal_energy3]

Learn how to play dude..why build all those roads to start? Then you build 100 bus stops for a 500 population city

[@RobsRedHotSpot]

brb. learning how to play.

[@user-tad626]

To much talking more building