Let's talk 6.7 GHz Core i9-13900KS Raptor Lake

[@lucafurna]

It's always a pleasure to watch SkatterBencher's videos.

[@davidzam33]

Absolutely.

[@WyrdieBeardie]

Your videos are great. Showing what you do, and providing the reasoning for doing so is great!

[@Bergs-Gård-SM4W]

Nice work. Looking Forward for more videos with the 13900ks and EK Tec2 cooler

[@crf637]

This is perfect! I have all the same parts incl. Delta2 with 360+360+420 rads. Excellent guide. Will use this once my 13900KS arrives.

[@SkatterBencher]

Enjoy!

[@Dreamer-79]

Did you ever get you delta 2? How is it??

[@crf637]

I did, but sold it rather quickly. The software just isnt good enough. Lack good control over the fans and overheating until the software starts is annoying. idlt isnt good, can't set a desired temp, will constantly push it to zero@@Dreamer-79

[@sagerdood]

The live today was awesome!!! I was having a bad day and it really made me happy watching yall slammin on the KS. peace brother. Thank you

[@killer01ws6]

Cool stuff, you do great vids. You mentioned you was doing a Asus Maximus Hero OC guild soon, I am very much looking forward to that! I have a 13900K in the mail to replace my 12700K and I just let the AIC tool do that chip, but want to get a solid best performance/heat management on the 13900K

[@nickolp-it7bo]

Great video Pieter, full as info as always and showing another way to OC i havn't tried yet. 😉

[@brianmccullough4578]

I do like that peltier cell deal, it makes it so convenient to go sub-ambient...but I guess adding rads is enough to make up for thebheat load! Well done!

[@wololo10]

13900K does 24k CB R23 stock on only 8 cores tho

[@TalonsTech]

6.2Ghz all core gaming workload? WTF, that is crazy!

[@lucafurna]

Using EK-Quantum Delta² TEC water block to leverage Intel’s Cryo Cooling Technology

[@cybyrd9615]

Hey Talon

[@TalonsTech]

@@cybyrd9615 Hi! :(

[@cybyrd9615]

@@lucafurna $500 for a cooler is a little much

[@cybyrd9615]

@lucafurna also there is a cooler master TEC cooler for $90 on Amazon that does the similar things

[@MIKEZGAMER-g8b]

6.7 ghz o my

[@markuskampmann2053]

Speaking of SP, don't expect an overall SP like the 115 they are having As always there is a huge bandwith, but of course they are a bit better binned than the normal 13900K's. I got one today that is unfortunately very mediocre in terms of SP. Just 104 overall with P113 E86 and MC SP 79. (Apex @0811 bios)

[@fi0nn]

superb as always

[@Wolverine607]

I just got a 1390KS. I am hoping for rock solid stability on an NH-D15S 6GHz all P-core and 5.3GHz ring e-cores disabled.

[@CheDeLila]

I want to know the performance on the nh-d15!!!!

[@doofesnator4913]

Damn! Do you have discord?

[@Wolverine607]

@@doofesnator4913 No it was still at Micro Center 10 in stock in the morning at opening. 2 quickly were snatched up as it went down to 8. I got one and now down to 7. Surprisingly they still have 5-6 of them left at local MC per their website.

[@doofesnator4913]

@@Wolverine607 oh no. I wasn’t asking about the cooler. Just the oc. I wanted an update on your oc through discord

[@Wolverine607]

@@doofesnator4913 I got P core SP 120 so very good. Though this guy in this video has even better. Though even with his insane high SP or my high one I doubt 6GHz all core or even 5.9GHz all core is going to happen on air cooling without pushing vcore up to 1.4 or heck way higher even which makes me feel a bit unsafe. Trying for 5.8GHz 1.3V now. Oops 1.3v now failed in OCCT. The higher P core SP bins are mot really miracles. They do allow high clocks and same clocks at somewhat lower vcores as I am finding out especially manual all core all the time overclock. And they do allow stable higher frequencies at higher vcores if your cooling is up to snuff. Trying for 5.8 at 1.35V LLC6 now.

[@vanguard9516]

Would you be able to test what you can achieve with HT disabled? Disabling HT doesn't affect game performance for almost all games out there, but having it disabled can massively reduce power draw. My 13900K sees 265W With 8P+16E (HT Off), but enabling HT requires around 340W for CB23. I keep it off because I can OC my 13900K 200 MHz further without any worry, netting me greater gaming performance and frametime stability.

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

Chillin' temps in those games.

[@seanpaul211]

I have a sp 109 i9 13900ks how can i keep the temps down.. please thanks...

[@creed5248]

Wasn't too long ago that these clocks could only be had on liquid nitrogen ...

[@creed5248]

subscribed

[@michaelmyers9957]

question of the day... will raptor lake refresh include an upgrade over this in the lga1700 socket or is there no point in waiting? other price/power/performance considerations aside??? anyone know or have insight?

[@ameerkhan3257]

what is the lifetime of the peltier? also, what happens when it can no longer keep up? Would it be more effective to have a standerd waterblock at that point, as the cpu will be heating up anyway? is the peltier actually worse in all core? Wouldnt it bottleneck the cooling of the cpu, as the peltier will get cooled by the water, but the water wont be able to cool the cpu?

[@jessicasa211]

Hello, great video and thank you for showing us your setting's in the bios. Subscribed! I have a question. If you delid it and apply liquid metal instead of regular paste, would that lower the temperature even more? Thanks

[@Creomortis]

Can you test this on an AIO 360? I'd like to see if its feasible, if temps are too high I may aswell get something else.

[@skyhawk21]

Need msi guide for finding manual llc and acll and dcll on z690 because best way and easiest to overclock is fixed voltage but no boosting my 13900k at stock goes down to 1.176 volts for stable at stock but still takes 260 watts according to hwinfo64 due to msi bios settings over volting everything

[@ZeeroCool1979]

You think this cpu can be a good choice for rendering? And a little tune up?

[@mavericksyao708]

Better question is how can I get a sample with SP score of 115 (p core sp score definitely over 120).

[@Wasmachineman]

Pure luck.

[@petrescuvictorrazvan]

Hey, Skatter! Any chance of 5700x oc guide ? On MSI mobo ? Thank you for all your clips !

[@SkatterBencher]

Not sure I'll return to AM4 any time soon ... too many other things to look into :)

[@Rashimotosan]

I just got this CPU but am using an NZXT 360mm AIO. Do I need to switch to watercooling if I do these settings or could it still work?

[@SkatterBencher]

These settings will only work if you have a TEC cooler like the Delta2 TEC from EK

[@drumtro11]

I'm curious about how far the e cores can pushed. Is 5ghz all core possible while 6ghz all core for P?

[@SkatterBencher]

E-core seems to be limited to 4.6-4.7G on ambient-ish cooling, so I don't think 5G is reasonable for a non-extreme cooled system

[@menezessilva3007]

Nice distributor !

[@WilhelmvonFahrvergnugen]

Why not disable HT for gaming only OC profile?

[@Multimeter1]

Does HT hinder performance?

[@Veptis]

Exciting to hear that the TEC program is still going. And very interesting to learn about the technical details of what happens in the TEC during idle.

[@myjameel88]

is there a way to fit the block without removing the vrm heatsinks?

[@SkatterBencher]

Yes, but you need to make a small adjustment to the Delta TEC rubber.

[@myjameel88]

@@SkatterBencher thanks for your reply. Would there be any risk to condensation when doing that? What if I drill a semi circle or a small cut out from the heatsink itself. I saw online that it’s all actually one peace with a pipe running through. Do you think it extends to the area around the water block cable?

[@SkatterBencher]

Attila from EKWB modified the rubber for me for the system used in the Intel Creator Challenge kzbin.info/www/bejne/raSyiZZqgKqkgac. It was up and running all day with little issues, so I don't think there's an issue. I don't have any pictures of the modification itself, so I'd suggest to maybe reach out to EK support directly for more information

[@dinos22]

Very nice PJ

[@SkatterBencher]

Thanks Dino, 13900KS is pretty fun :)

[@dimka11ggg]

Link to the blog is broken

[@SkatterBencher]

Should be up now!

[@istominmusic]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYvZg3eYoaqcbdk I'm totally confused. In your R23 multicore test i9 13900KS with advanced cooling system gained so few points (24698) when my old computer easily gained more than 27000, and other builders have the same i9 13900KS gaining more than 40.000 and they don't use expensive cooling and their CPU frequency is much lower. Why so? Or did I get something wrong?

[@SkatterBencher]

I've disabled E-Cores for this overclock

[@AccuracyGaming]

quick one guys so is LLC 8 OR 7 bad for evry day gaming?

[@SkatterBencher]

Typically it's not recommended due to the behavior in transient loads (idle -> load and load -> idle). You can see how it works in this article: elmorlabs.com/2019-09-05/vrm-load-line-visualized/

[@AccuracyGaming]

@@SkatterBencher thanks u

[@AccuracyGaming]

@@SkatterBencher thanks for your reply after reading what you sent I’m a little bit stock . What would you say is a good place to be on LLC runing 5.8 and going for TVB of 6 .

[@SkatterBencher]

If you want to find a good loadline, I would suggest you start with LLC=4. Then run all-core heavy workloads for a while (i.e. Prime95 for 30min) to see if it's stable. If yes, you can lower to LLC=3; if not try LLC=5. Once you found a stable one, you can try increasing the frequency.

[@micb3rd]

Hi SkatterBencher, in the interest of Silicone quality binning would you be able to put your 13900KS chips in your Gigabyte Aorus Master so we can see the Biscuits score in BIOS. Then put in a 13900K chip. That will be an interesting video!

[@cjceeez9897]

how do you not have more subs?!

[@GenMaximus87]

Seems like your Z790 Hero runs DDR5-7600 just fine. Any tuning needed? My Z790 Aorus Master refuses DDR5-7600.. Running fine at DDR5-7200...

[@cybyrd9615]

He's using an APEX not a Hero, 2 Dimms vs 4 Dimms. Thats why he get 7600Mhz, the APEX can do 8200Mhz

[@GenMaximus87]

@@cybyrd9615 Thanks, I missed that. It is because he mentioned the Hero in the description :)

[@Hwbot-Philip-Park]

how to make cinebench r23 100,000 points ?

[@SkatterBencher]

Threadripper 5000 :)

[@ander1482]

How much performance % can you get with KS overall ?

[@luks6436]

3 - 5 % over 13900kf / k ...

[@ander1482]

@@luks6436 thanks

[@luks6436]

@@ander1482 In some Benchmarks 17 - 20 but not in Games....

[@skypickle29]

is HT disabled? does that make a difference?

[@SkatterBencher]

HT was enabled; just disabled the E-cores for this video

[@peterbytano6600]

@@SkatterBencher Can you make a video to see how far can you push a 13900KS on this Z790 setup in a daily use case scenario with E-Cores and HT enabled, or is that not recommended due to power draw issues?

[@beetwing]

That is cool!! 6GHZ daily. Just wish this would have been a 10 P-cores CPU like they did with the 10900k. I understand for non-gamers, but for gamers, could you imagine a 10 cores at 6.7ghz on a monolitic die!! Good job anyways and all on you showing your configurations.

[@314LA]

6hz daily? if you do 125w max

[@beetwing]

@@314LA No gamers care about the wattage. It could be 500 watts. Just give me the maximum FPS

[@314LA]

@@beetwing Bro, do you have 13900? If yes, you now that 500w just for crio)) and 125w and 6,7hz - don’t get you fps

[@이영민-w9n3w]

와 ~~ 대단 해요 .. 인텔 최고 !!

[@fat4ll]

What's P core SP ratings for your KS chips and your best K chip? Thx

[@SkatterBencher]

If I remember correctly, this chip was either 113SP or 115SP. The best KS I've seen are slightly higher ~118SP. My best K was 114SP (from this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGW5aH-EaZ2godU)

[@larryhickman1202]

Hello Skatterbencher, when you placed the Delta Tec 2 onto the Asus z790 Apex motherboard did you have to remove the VRM's heatsinks because it appears they are removed from your video of your z790 Apex, thanks. Was there a clearance problem?

[@SkatterBencher]

The VRM thermal was removed indeed (prior to me receiving the board). I believe der8auer already showed in his video there's a clearance issue with the Apex and Delta2 TEC. In the demo system I used for the ICC event (kzbin.info/www/bejne/raSyiZZqgKqkgac), I used the Apex with the VRM thermal. The system was built by Attila from EKWB, so I'd recommend to reach out to him if you want to know how to use the Delta2 TEC in combination with the Apex motherboard

[@larryhickman1202]

@@SkatterBencher Thanks Skatterbencher, does he have a email direct, twitter etc. EK customer support isn't gonna know nothing. So please tell me what did they do? Did they trim off some of the rubber? I'm wondering was the TEC cooler too wide left to right or top to bottom or both?

[@SkatterBencher]

They just cut off the rubber parts that were interfering with the motherboard. I guess it's not that complicated :)

[@larryhickman1202]

@@SkatterBencher thanks for the update. This is so weird, since I reached out to you I have found a couple of people that were able to use the Delta 2 Tec on z790 motherboards without any modification to either the Delta 2 Tec or the z790 APEX and z790 Hero motherboards. I have no idea why EK states this is only for z690 without explanation as to why.

[@Luckyn00bOC]

.........*speechless*

[@larryhickman1202]

Skatterbencher watching der8auer's video (This insane 500$ Water Block allows 13900K Overclocking above 6 GHz) So the issue with the rubber block sealant on the underside of the cooler is the hot and cold wires are protruding outward and sit on top of the VRM heatsink which doesn't allow it to drop into place or flush with the motherboard, correct? This appears to be the issue with rubber block sealant on z790 boards as the 4 mounting screws do line up it appears for the z790? I could be wrong as I don't see a big difference between z690 and z790 as the mounting holes on the motherboards are the same I think. That said it looks like you could cut out a small section of that rubber block sealant on the top right corner, pull the cables toward the RAM slots and stuff the hot and cold lines underneath allowing the Delta 2 TEC to drop into place. Can anyone confirm?

[@TonELowq]

Do you delid your CPU or leave it stock?

[@SkatterBencher]

Stock, no delid

[@TonELowq]

@@SkatterBencher awesome. Great vids! :)

[@cybyrd9615]

@@SkatterBencher do you lap it?

[@cybyrd9615]

The cooler master TEC is way cheaper, I know its a trashy AIO though, could that work just as well?

[@SkatterBencher]

No lapping

[@J.O.R_BR_Overclocking]

Great video, so if you install a powerful watercooling setup connected to the EK TEC2 will this amplify the EK blocks rated power limit (210-250w)? Basically if I have an external MORA wall connected to the EK TEC2 I wont be limited to the TEC2's cooling limitations for dissipating moire than 300W?

[@SkatterBencher]

No, the TEC has an upper limit of cooling capacity by design. So adding radiator capacity won't increase the capacity.

[@ameerkhan3257]

@@SkatterBencher is the TEC worth it? Does it help during all core loads?

[@nizzen2]

Has it better IMC than average 13900k. That's what I want to know :D

[@techsshadow3929]

Same here!

[@jlgroovetek]

The 13900KS is made for people like you. HWUB have no idea how to value and appreciate this kind of product. Nothing wrong with that, just a different target demographic.

[@sarinmcgee2031]

I can't talk 5.8 without issues on mine

[@SkatterBencher]

I have an extensive guide up for the 13900KS, maybe that can help you further? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqG6qJJrgMujf9k

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

15 min early? Naughty boy.

[@technologicalelite]

Bro?

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Was referring to the implied gentlemen’s agreement even when not under NDA to wait until the other outlets’ NDAs are up before posting content about a product.

[@BurnsRubber]

TEC required to take advantage of the binning. On AIO cooling it temp throttles per HUB review.

[@jjlw2378]

HUB is not a reputable source for overclocking. MANY people who spend even 5 mins in the bios with a 13900k or 13900KS will trounce HUB numbers while running perfectly stable and cool on an AIO. 13900KS aren't for out of the box settings.

[@ms3862]

@@jjlw2378 13900ksnis a dumpster fire

[@jjlw2378]

@MS Sure. It's clearly not for you.

[@BurnsRubber]

@@jjlw2378 Not basing OC on HUB. My point is 13900ks ST frequency on sub-ambient is the best reason to get it. It will thermal throttle on MT. Just get a K/KF or 7950x for MT.

[@BurnsRubber]

Wendell makes my point, you need a TEC to see those ST boost clocks kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHPIqZqdptGXetU

[@fredotv7311]

Halo Keluh Kesah Berteknologi 4.0

[@kovacspis]

Why LLC8? Transients are junk.

[@ionutortian5885]

13 serie of Intel is wow I'm a AMD am5 owner but 13 gen of Intel is wow

[@Wasmachineman]

Almost 7 GHz on water what the fuck

[@lucafurna]

It's not exactly water cooling ... he is using EK-Quantum Delta² TEC water block to leverage Intel’s Cryo Cooling Technology

[@-FOXX]

First?

[@dra6o0n]

What games and resolution are you trying to run with AM5 and it's equivalent systems nowadays anyways? It takes 3 years for games to be developed, so by the time a UE5 game that is utilizing 100% of today's hardware comes out, it'd be next year, and newer hardware will be out again. Software needs to catch up to hardware in a sense for the game development side of things... Companies spends billions in R&D for hardware and can keep doing so over and over again for decades, but in Software? Companies spends billions on AAA title only to go 'meh' lets make another game from scratch again.

[@ColdVenom159]

Temp difference from no load to full load is horrible sorry man.

[@skyhawk21]

Your also confusing viewers, you didn’t word for word claim you disabled all e cores to get lower watts with higher clocks running the chip as an 8 core only…

[@jjlw2378]

He did. When going through the bios settings, he specifically mentioned turning off all 16 e-cores.

[@lucafurna]

People are supposed to watch the video ... during the BIOS journey it is very clear the E cores get disabled.

[@josafatfelipeleonlopez6875]

ScatterCrack!!!!

[@BDOGreatSaiyanMan]

Overpriced intel garbage. Go Ryzen, save money, save power, more efficiency, and better performance per dollar. Intel have been bleeding consumers dry for nearly a decade now and stifled innovation for years. They deserve every bit of pain coming to them.

[@dvlx8453]

no shit Sherlock 10nm vs 5nm

[@314LA]

CB23 - 24000 for 13900k - funny😀 Why do you need 6.7 with 253W max? About avx2 (Lynx) I don't ask - ⛑