Let's talk about THAT video. - Escape from Tarkov

[@Pestily]

Just to be clear like I said I have no idea about law and being a lawyer and I always try and think from best / worst case scenarios for situations. It does appear majority of you think it would be impossible to get done for defamation so there you go. Appears I'm 100% wrong on that.

[@maxdiesing4458]

thats not even the problem, whats the solution to the cheating problem? just "oh well" it?

[@AHOneOOne]

We really need Private servers, Hosted / Fully Moderated & Whitelisted by the community. Just Like In DayZ. SURE there will still be cheaters BUT with active admins they will get cleaned up real quick. Each server would have different profiles, But just like games like DayZ for the ones that play it I'm sure you all have a favourite server you enjoy playing on. With hosted servers, Server / Community owners could see peoples KD & other stats to fish out the ones that get through the net. BSG could even be a middle man to stop server code being leaked if they don't like the idea at the same time they would make money or even charging for private servers themselves. STILL keep official servers up but PLEASE BSG this would help with the cheater issue massively. Sure, There will be people that don't agree with this BUT its just a idea that I believe would help the game massively.

[@austinb192]

Yahhhhhhhhh, Defamation, by definition, has to be false. Your concern of "what if people see this and don't buy the game because they think there's hackers, that would damage BSG's bottom line" is kind of the whole point and the legal system isn't there to go "well they would like it if you didn't shine a light on this".

[@rusduderus]

ah nevermind, i thought vanguard is like a separate anticheat company, but its only used in 1 riot's game so they wont share it xD oh well

[@tgmbrett]

defamation? lmao

[@g0atmoth]

I knew this was risky AF... And I am glad you are pointing this out. I knew what I was getting myself into. And I figured if this didn't work I was done with the game anyway. I appreciate your perspective and your fears are NOT lost on me. Thanks for having a measured response and really adding to the conversation. Cheers, -g0at

[@WoetotheVanquished]

at least you gave me a renewed sense to play tarkov, by exposing the problem

[@BucketKingu]

Thanks for taking the step to really dig in and address the situation g0at. Someone had to do it, we're glad it was you. Great job man.

[@mcRAVENgaming]

mad respect to you for doing this !! we need more pepole like you goat ! :D

[@Jasiuuu]

@@WoetotheVanquished and i quit the game for good : ]

[@eatmorvegetal3444]

Godspeed, soldier.

[@Thyrial]

Pestily, it's VERY important to note that you can't be sued for defamation if the statement you make is true. (in most of the world anyway) Unless BSG can prove that his statements about the number of cheaters is false (and in most of the world he'd also have to KNOW his statement was false) then they can't touch him in that regard. They can absolutely stop him from ever using their game in videos again if they really wanted to, but they can't go after him for damage unless he completely fabricated this all. It's important that this is understood because people should NOT be afraid of showing terrible situations for fear of a reprisal that can't happen.

[@weeklyfont]

Also BSG would have to open themselves up to discovery and yeah lmao they're not doing that

[@bambo5243]

He schould be safe, bsg is a 100% Russian team and with everything thats going on there is slim to no chance that they can do anything about it.

[@chudak25]

If BSG was to sue him, I'd personally be moving on from the game! They have more things to worry about than trying to blame some creator for their drop in sales!

[@ghostbirdlary]

Australia has really dumb defamation laws. you can get sued for defamation and lose for insults ins australia.

[@bigzed7908]

They couldn't even sue him, because they are Russian. Under what law would they enter a legal battle? Russian? Yeah right...

[@thedemonpit]

Been burned out on tarkov for a good while now, and the legend of the wiggle keeps me maintaining my distance even more now.

[@KodiakTeddy]

skill issue

[@Oakoms]

​@@KodiakTeddy "just a better gamer you know?"

[@EricToTheScionti]

the legend of the poggers pussy has kept me away.

[@carlitosskater89]

SPT is the way, brother. Check it out. Single Player Tarkov. Great experience.

[@nathangothan601]

As somebody who has never used hacks in any game, it was extremely interesting for me to see how that ESP hack looked on screen. It also puts into perspective how easy it truly is, games like PUBG, Tarkov, etc just feel pointless to play.

[@89DerChristian]

Don’t pull other games into this that have proper anti cheat….

[@dozaroner642]

​@The Cooking Whiz, this is true but you still run into cheaters on pubg quite often

[@sleepysteve111]

Pubg is just as full of cheaters... The report system is a placebo... People get automatic temp bans when they get reported a few times, but VERY seldom perma banned. Almost as if the Chinese company that owns the game now wants them there because they make money off it.....

[@CoreStarter]

You right they are pointless to play, but it's not because the cheaters lmao, stop playing skinnerboxes

[@Vognee]

My thought exactly: what's the point of playing competitive game if to be competitive you need to break the rules

[@conflictedthought1]

If a video exposing the cheating in a game bring down the game, then did the game really deserve to live.

[@DinoNucci]

Was that a sentence?

[@Bongobongobongobongo]

@@DinoNucci “If a video exposing the rampant cheating in a game ends up bringing it down, did it really deserve to live?” Use your brain bro. It’s not that hard to understand his sentence. + not everyone only knows English like you.

[@kontoname]

​@@DinoNucci Yes, and very simple to understand actually. Basically: if a video exposing a cheater issue is bringing down a game because the devs, after years, not acting on the issue - then this game should die off. It's not worth the effort of legit players playing it. There's countless ways how devs could act on this but they don't care. It's money for them. They do "waves" to allow cheaters to have some fun, ban their accounts in waves and incentivize buying new keys and play for a few weeks again. BSG is a shithole and their game is literally abusing that fact. They made millions over soft banning cheaters, as in not banning their hardware ID's for a while (at least a year e.g.). And yes, if you buy a used GPU and it's blocked you could always open a ticket or just don't buy used or try a refund etc. Instead we ended up in a cycle where cheating actually created an additional industry - one where the cheat makers benefit, the cheaters benefit AND the developers benefit.

[@WNActivist88]

@@DinoNucci Replace the period with a question mark and then answer the question.

[@SolvePennyProblems]

THANK YOU! Fix the dang cheaters

[@greenman1212]

Made the casuals aware of how bad the cheating problem is. Which is good in my book.

[@geekobgaming5647]

Casuals are the ones that cheat the most as well. Who buys roubles? or help themselves with some good old walls? I doubt its some 5k hour sweaty tarkov player

[@DalYeosin]

@@geekobgaming5647 Say that to gingy, who stares at walls, fixes her eyes on people behind them and says out loud: I saw him. The person has many hours of play. Your argument is wrong.

[@aguspuig6615]

@@geekobgaming5647 i feel like its the oposite, casuals are there beating themselves up every time they die thinking they are bad, cheaters are actual no lifers with 1000 hours thath have a hard on whenever they kill a timmy

[@geekobgaming5647]

@@DalYeosin I mean my argument is not built on one example. So its not wrong because you gave me one example. Im saying that broadly speaking, casuals cheat more.

[@geekobgaming5647]

@@aguspuig6615 It doesnt make sense though. Cheaters use cheats to give themselves an advantage, and have some fun. Who is therefore more likely to use cheats? Someone who has advantage by default, because he has so much experience? Or someone that can barely hit a scav?

[@scottthornton1091]

the main things about the wiggle video is that, although we all knew cheating happens, to actually see groups of ppl cheating is a wakeup call. We also get that us versus them vibe, its not us versus Tarkov anymore, its us against the hackers, and we are loosing.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

100%. It really opens your eyes to how shitty the situation is for us.

[@BraindeadCRY]

Yep, its a whole different thing to see hacking being rampant than to just hear interviews with cheaters saying that the amount of cheaters is this bad. A picture is worth a thousand words and all that

[@Chrischos]

@@BraindeadCRY yeah the cheaters could tell BS to just sell their cheats in the end

[@BT-ex7ko]

​@@Real_Mick3y6 Scary to think it'll only get worse. The fact that PC hobbyists who have the cash and knowhow can have AI aimbots that avoid anticheat due to mimicking *mostly* human gameplay on an isolated system, only adds to this fear. I don't think anyone is using that kind of stuff on Tarkov, but its just to show that no competitive game is safe, not even valorant with their insanely over the top anticheat. I quit tarkov this wipe only two weeks in and I really don't know if I'll return.

[@casedistorted]

We are def loosing. I mean losing.

[@Sully_tG]

Im glad you took the high ground early on. I was disappointed in most streamers takes on it. I don't think he can be held legally liable for anything. And let's be real, if BSG does go after him I seriously don't think many people with half a mind would stick around with tarkov.

[@justsorandom764]

Yeah, there is no way BSG can go after him from a legal standpoint. All he has to do is say he is a member of the media and he was reporting on his findings... Which there is video of. I also very much agree with you, I was, and am, incredibly disappointed in the reaction of several streamers. To half quote Summit, to say that this video is somehow going to change the morals of gamers and cause them to purchase cheats is an incredibly poor take. This video is going to be a non-sequitur when it comes to increasing the number of cheaters. The only thing it's going to do is cause people who were already cheating to go and buy cheats from the guy in gOAt's video.

[@KeepTheGates]

Who were the larger streamers that were overly critical of the video?

[@commiecal8374]

@@KeepTheGates Veritas got pretty heated tho over the video and onepeg. I heard it upset rengawr but that guy has the worst takes so it didn’t really surprise me.

[@DaddyFrosty]

@@justsorandom764 did big head actually say that? What a double-L take

[@justsorandom764]

@@KeepTheGates Sounds like you are the one with the L take.

[@iWork3d]

He is a noble individual; who sacrificed his livelihood and enjoyment of the game (he may be hardware banned) simply because the circumstance was bad enough to warrant radical intervention. He is a noble hero, akin to frodo baggins; carrying the weight of a broken community across to a field of hope and knowledge.

[@Astrothunderkat]

Banning him would be dumb, tons of people would boycott and the game would get negative press.

[@lightnesskingpwnsyou]

Good thing hardware bans are useless and you can spoof it :)

[@MoA-Reload...]

He released an update video, main account is fine but the alt account he used is banned(which is perfectly right of BSG). He did mention that alt account was an EOD version so ouch but I think the video $$$ makes up for that 😂 Apparently he is banned on the sub reddit too though but hey, it's reddit so they probably did him a favour. Saves some of his braincells 🤗

[@youtubeuser84848]

i dont think he knows about hardware bans lol

[@niyiu3547]

A hardware or IP ban does nothing. If I update my bios, or reset it with the current version, my hardware ID changes already. If that doesn't work, get a system-level hardware id spoofer, which can't be detected on administrator-level accounts. If you're IP banned, request a new one from your ISP, saying your local server gets ddosed or something.

[@Panduhman360]

He knew all that and still did it because he felt like the community needed it. He weighed all those consequences and risked it to get the knowledge out there. BSG banned his cheater account but left his normal account alone for now. He released a response today about it. Much love Pest

[@dr.zoidberg5096]

He gets people to play the game, content creators are like free ads, they want the money lol.

[@Teddy-se8qb]

if bsg did perma ban him and copy strike his content. the whole community will question why they went so hard after goat but not the cheaters.

[@theshanamaster]

i was gonna do something like this, but more for practical research, as in, figure out where people loot and where people would go, also finally figure out if it was Escape from desync, or im just ass, turns out, just cheaters ruining the game overall, bsg would rather chase programs rather creating something that works.

[@BobZombie]

All publicity is good publicity. Yeah I’m that guy 😅

[@And2Handles]

What was new for me is the intensity of the cheater. Like a lot of other people I am interested in the game and was focusing on the positive things. Yes, from time to time you die by a cheater but I never felt that it was effecting most of my playtime. What was really eye opening for me is that almost every match I play nowadays is affected. Even if they dont kill me, they can grab high value loot or kill bosses. That makes it for normal people even harder and more grindy and at least for myself it is intolerable rigged and not worth my time.

[@craigharrison5406]

Some dude already made the exact same type of video 3 years ago. He went into to labs with cheats and did the wiggle test. BSG had the video taken down from youtube claiming copyright infringement. Even back then there was at least one cheater in 75% of raids.

[@beresrobert4262]

I mean, labs might as well have had a cheater in 100% of the raids

[@fuyunghay4214]

Who made this video you’re talking about? Is it like a small channel?

[@craigharrison5406]

@@fuyunghay4214 Ya I can't remember his name, it wasn't a big streamer. He had a european accent. It was released in 2019. The guy went into labs with the cheats and you could see the stick men figures of other players through the walls. He would do the wiggle and they would wiggle back. I'll do some digging today and see if I can find a copy of it on reddit or something. I know BSG had it removed from youtube but it was up for about a month back then.

[@MongooseTacticool]

@@craigharrison5406 Eroktic?

[@drcornelius8275]

It's nice to see a creator like gOat expose this BS instead of hiding his head in the sand like so many do.

[@MUxPortugalxSLB]

I’m glad Goat made the video. Brought the current hacking situation back to the front of everyone’s mind and showed how prevalent it is in most raids you enter. Hearing the hacker interviews isn’t enough, seeing the cheats and the skeleton wiggles shows how deep the situation really is. BSG should be doing much better for a PAID game. This isn’t free to play warzone.

[@1riqoispliskin]

i agree, we needed to actually see the cheats being used in this way.

[@R3TR0J4N]

like VeryBadSCAV earlier content.

[@Koir0]

"Oh no the big corporation is gonna sue us! Better let them do whatever they want and never criticize them ever!" -Said no-one with a spine ever.

[@trhtkify]

imagine this barely alive game with recognized incompetent developers attempt to divert resources from fixing issues into suing someone for exposing the problems in said game, how dumb would you have to be to think of that as a plausible possibility for the health of your game which is already again almost dead.

[@cameronbrown367]

@@trhtkify Barley alive the game has nearly 500k daily players, but i do agree with the point u try to make that suing someone is stupid over a issue that is more literally killing the game

[@ihatetrainyards4859]

@@cameronbrown367 I don't believe that statistics one bit, I could MAYBE believe it if most of those are like me who due to sunk cost fallacy at least boot the game once or twice a day to get the scav case then quit immediately.

[@aguy446]

-Said everybody that can't afford a team of lawyers

[@Krichnu]

@@aguy446 Russia has no fucking power over anything

[@Vivi_Strike]

I think the reason why g0at's video resonated more with people is his honesty than other videos that interviews cheaters where it's harder to trust their word. Saying that he cheated himself instead of a friend gives him more integrity.

[@callumbrumby6898]

BSG is unlikely to sue for defamation. Defamation has an ultimate defence of truth, with the evidence he likely has backed up BSG would be forced to counter it with their own evidence on how prevalent cheating is, likely leading it to be made public. I see no eventuality where they would do this. But hey, I'm no lawyer either.

[@trhtkify]

weird how pestily would even insinuate they can sue him for defamation, when the guy is reporting the truth of what he found, and he found bsg totaly failing to deliver their promise for their game (( ANTI CHEAT)). a game they charge money for.

[@ccs5531]

@@trhtkify He might be speaking from an Australian perspective, where telling the truth potentially makes you MORE liable because the truth has a greater chance of impacting some rich bastard's bottom line. A lie can be disproven, after all; the truth can REALLY cost a business some money, and should therefore be abolished. So the line of thinking goes, anyway. Specifically, if this case were brought up in Australia, BSG would not need to prove the statements goat made were false; instead, goat would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that what he said was 100% true. Which is of course far more costly and difficult. The law assumes guilt on the speaker's part, because that's good for the rich and powerful.

[@Marth667]

@@trhtkify Pestily is from Australia and in Australia defo (defamation) cases are different from those in the US. In the US the defendant has to prove they were defamed, harder. In Australia the alleged defamer has to prove their innocent, significantly easier to accuse someone of defaming someone and now you have to deny their statement. It's backwards, stupid and archaic like many of the laws taken from the west minster system, shit that is 200+ years old.

[@ManBung]

Really poor response, if BSG ever sues g0at or bans him they just prove how little they care about building a game

[@roberthiggins8234]

@@ccs5531 You are right that Goat would need to prove his statements true. Though he has video documented evidence. I hope he hasnt deleted any of the 125 raids.

[@TheSygear]

If they really would try to take this to court, it would 100% damage them way more.

[@danny7694]

They know that's no option. First of all it would be incredibly difficult and pricey given where they're located and like you said the community backlash would be insane. The boycott would be real.

[@sirlowell9496]

Maybe not in a Russian court of law..

[@itzahoax934]

@@sirlowell9496 Wouldn't matter the US doesn't enforce foreign defamation unless it meets the requirements for defamation in the US, not sure about Canada seeing as you can go to jail for a facebook post. They could sue him for 15billion doll hairs in russia and he wouldn't need to pay a single cent if he is US based. Granted he doesn't travel there, I guess.

[@miked7728]

@@sirlowell9496 I'm pretty sure Canada doesn't extradite to Russia 🤣🤣 Now if he were in the US and perhaps a basketball player....

[@spacebagels_5217]

Lol BSG suing an American is rich considering they stole dozens of our patented products and didn’t pay licensing fees 🤣

[@JustinJJN]

I quit EFT a while ago because I played in the "old" days and could feel the amount of cheaters increasing. I could tell to a certain degree that someone should not have know or seen where I was, including going back to locations to see how I could have been seen. Goats video just made me feel not crazy.

[@WNActivist88]

Cheaters are sorry POS who deserve having their names and faces put out there. They shouldn't be allowed to play online games anymore for this reason.

[@chrsolr]

It would be a PR nightmare if the devs would go after him.

[@Battlefield2021]

according to fucking who? all G0at did was make the problem worse. literally more cheaters exist in the game now because he made that video lmao.

[@АлексейКовалев-ы9т]

They already fcked up Erocktick. Nobody sad a word to protect him and try to unite eft community.

[@diamondmx3076]

They've done it before. It was bad for pr but they didn't really care and eventually most people forgot about it. What they did was make knowingly false DMCA claims against Eroktic because they didn't like his criticism of the game. He no longer does tarkov content because it nearly got his channel deleted.

[@spectraleggings]

@@diamondmx3076 he does again and he's still one of the best streamers, very honest.

[@chemistt]

YUP, not everybidy know Eroktic....but BSG also put down his newest video talking about THE VIDEO....I guess....because yesterday I started watching Eroktics video and now its down

[@im_badatpc7469]

I feel the content creators that hated it, are the content creators who can't switch games as the money goes away. I see why this would worry them. They need to see the light at the end of the tunnel

[@sndrc9]

Or cheat themselves

[@FirstnameLastname-ej4kv]

​@@sndrc9or both

[@SSC604]

You lost me on this one Pestily, that video proves that cheaters aren't some mystical unicorn that appears once in a blue moon. They are everywhere and they work together. All the content creators should be thanking Goat instead of criticizing him.

[@L.Reeves]

Yeah, this reaction from him all but confirmed it. He's a very poor manipulator and he's trying it at scale. He clearly was scared about his own acct getting banned and was already getting the excuses ready.@@CaptainPothead

[@54321eclipse12345]

While I enjoy Pestily's content, I remember getting timed out in Pestily's chat for saying the things goat proved. Same is true for posting about this on tarkov reddit. I have seen videos like this before. They got taken down. All the info there was, was from your mates and the hacker interviews who said yea on labs it is bad elsewhere it is negligable. I always knew that it was bad, just not how bad it really was. And honestly this silencing of the topic in the community has hidden the severity of the issue. Thanks to goat for making this video as someone influencial enough to not be silenced.

[@JackFN_VR64]

Do you lack critical thinking skill? Goat proved nothing, he merely recycled info that has been in videos from before 2020. He cherrypicked the most compelling clips and presented it in most entertaining and dramatic way to get the best reaction from viewers. Objective logic dictates you cannot accept any percentages or chances as proof. What has happened here is that you have all been duped by a clever content creator who dropped a 'cheating hacker video' just at the right moment when the tarkov community was already buzzing about the cheating taking place.

[@WNActivist88]

Tbh I don't find Tarkov entertaining at all, I don't get why people love it so much. I prefer Rust over any other game out there.

[@Kiwi-fr5jy]

​​@@JackFN_VR64cope harder why don't you

[@L.Reeves]

"do you lack critical thinking skill?" English people don't speak like that sergei. Nice try, but you can definitely do better.@@JackFN_VR64

[@Hamun002]

9:09 even with the interviews of cheaters stating things like "oh I see cheaters every raid" it never really felt like that was "real" or "true" until goat put out the numbers for the account in this way. It definitely changed my perspective on the issue. Or maybe poisoned is the right word...

[@trhtkify]

exactly, saying people knew there are plenty of cheaters in this game, and then proving that 60% of raids have cheaters are totaly different, and is a valuable thing to do in order to determine if playing this game is even worth it especially as grindy and boring as some of this games quests are.

[@Swarm509]

100% for me, and people I play with too. The last video that got close to this was that guy who was hiding in weird spots with a bitcoin on him and getting found/killed but we could never see what the cheater was actually seeing. I also think there is a large majority of players who watch content and are legit, and this tipped them over to commenting and discussing it. To see content creators brush this off really made a disconnect. I know the cheat creators, and cheaters, have said these numbers but we never saw it for ourselves, and plus who really believe a cheat creator.

[@A3r0XxLol]

What numbers? He didn't show shit. That's the problem. There needs to be a chart with amount of times map X was played, what time ingame, what time IRL. Then you do 1000 raids minimum, not 125.

[@thewisewolf768]

@@A3r0XxLol I mean is him writing 60/120 in a chart any better than saying it? I agree that I think his evidence should have been documented better, but him just putting it in a chart instead of saying it makes no different. Also while the sample size is on the lower side, 1000 would be a ridiculous feat. If we assume the average loading time is about five minutes, which is generous, you're talking about nearly three and a half days of just loading to get that size. 120 is enough to prove the point. Even if he got ridiculously 'lucky' and saw double the cheaters a normal person would, that's still waaay too high a percentage.

[@titaniumballs8757]

I completely agree. I remember one of the interviewed cheaters could barely speak clearly and give a solid answer, and additionally it is hard to take a (previous I suppose) cheater's word as true.

[@Jehf865]

It was very refreshing seing a content creator like Goat holding the devs accountable instead of being a spinless shill and making more excuses for them like some other creators do....

[@FlamboCortez]

They couldn't sue him and win because during the discovery phase they would have to show that there isn't a rampant cheating problem in the game and that he defamed them. Also I imagine BSG wouldn't want to hand over all their emails...

[@parallax8322]

Given that he gave the 60% figure specifically though, it seems like the onus could end up on him to prove that he had reason to believe that the 60% figure for cheaters was correct. For now, he hasn't shown ANY data at least. If he has it in his back pocket then that would be good, but if he had exaggerated that number, or had no data to back it up then I would imagine that could be a problem

[@brettyh1]

@@parallax8322 the thing is the experimenting wasn't in a controlled environment. It is impossible to prove the 60% figure one way or another. BSG won't even dedicate money to fixing simple issues, you think they're going to pay a bunch of lawyers to figure out if their game is in fact infested with cheaters?

[@ScamminJoe]

@sleepr 6969 Their HQ is London m8

[@Lornext]

Very true, gotta love a guy like Pest who is completely ignorant about how that process even works, talking about it like this.

[@Lornext]

@@ScamminJoe Just for tax reasons, no one works at their London HQ. You should probably research about that a bit before commenting something stupid like that.

[@jamesbrandt9836]

Goats got my support about time someone made a video that brings as much attention to the cheaters as it deserves

[@nicechock]

Sheep

[@R3TR0J4N]

Bluedrake has similar subject, since his developing a game, and cheating was an issue he tackled

[@revisit8480]

@@nicechock Bet you are vaxxed and think democracy is the best thing on earth.

[@karato77]

@@nicechock cheater

[@nicechock]

@@karato77 yea G0at is a cheater. You are right

[@Lansolot]

I saw a video like that two years back and the problem was about as big. I think the majority of the community knows how serious it is now. I think that's the first step to making things better. Here's hoping to improvements in the future.

[@Robert-ci6sj]

They should randomly spawn ghosts in a match that are invisible but appear on their minimap and then ban someone if he locks onto the those ghosts.

[@jinx20001]

holy shit... thats... thats kinda genius. i like that.

[@TheSceletonx]

I am pretty sure in couple of days those cheats would be able to recognize it is ghost and remove it from hud

[@jblcomp4387]

yes, like Anarchy does in DayZ... very effective, imo. there is no valid excuse for targeting/shooting at an invisible admin/player (ghost).

[@brasileiroloko5375]

lmao, just like minecraft anti cheat

[@quelquel5079]

koudos!

[@NebulaIsTaken]

I’m glad you’re actually taking the time to look at all perspectives instead of just making Goat seem like a villain. I love that you’re able to stay level-headed and provide a great summary while also injecting your own opinion. You da best Pestily

[@anand3623]

Da Bestily

[@VividGames-1]

Pest is tarbob dad, he is the mediator of all of us lol

[@nuts_fattening]

He isn’t a villain. Just capitalizing on new players who don’t have enough game time to realize the obvious (people use cheats). These videos are made every wipe and he wasn’t the first, just the guy who made a decent rendition of the idea.

[@onikanobie1862]

Because he is the Father of Tarkov. Common Pest W

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

no one says g0at is the villain lmao. only 3 asslickers did that. onepeg, axel and trey. 3 small leeches. landmark wants statistic to be unraveled and pest wants to be neutral.

[@ipedrera]

You seem to protect the game developers like A LOT

[@aliasunknown7476]

He's paid to.

[@WNActivist88]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's a cheater himself, but that's my opinion and I can't prove it. Wouldn't surprise me considering how people see him as one of the greatest Tarkov players.

[@gaevlos1281]

ikr and with their ethically questionable at best choices when it comes to copyright and other matters similar that's really worrysome.

[@XSu_du]

He's definitely got an angle on this that is not what you'd expect. He's extremely defensive almost to the point of absurdity. I wouldn't be surprised if he cheats or profits from it

[@Vognee]

I would protect my livelihood as well, nothing wrong with that, but it hinders credibility for sure

[@techpriestsgaming6525]

I am very glad Goat made the video. It didnt save me the money - I alreay bought the game for 27€ in a sale - but it saved me possibly hundreds of hours I would put into it. For that I am very thankful.

[@doubleeclipse9537]

i just cant believe how poorly the youtubers and streamers responded to goats video. love to see Pestily give a very intelligence take on the whole situation.

[@newguyiswinning]

They are all shills for BSG, unsub from them

[@gagekellstrom3978]

They need that money, if they shit on bsg they would lose their community privileges and less players means less money for them. BSG also has quite the history of destroying creators who talk about issues, key among them being eroktic. Creators are in a catch 22: -Ignore the video and downplay it to try and retain friendly relations with BSG and maintain a good player base of the community. However should the cheating problem persist, could destroy the game entirely in the long run. -Agree with the video and in the short term harm the player base and their own revenue, and long term could cause BSG to fix the cheater issue more, or they don’t and they get less money short and long term.

[@mwnciboo]

Think that's bad, I'm getting YT ads for these cheats software. Should be banned from YT.

[@XjerichoX12]

Personally I also have very intelligence take

[@chrisbuck1225]

cause a week prior all the folks that come out and said bad bad streamer were called out to be developer simp. so regardless of his willingness to put his head on the chopping block this was the result

[@RRgaming2322]

A.) I was already fed up with cheaters and fed up with the lack of action from BSG in keeping the game clean. I have never been the type of player to cry about cheating, but this game is so rampant. B.) all the video did was confirm what I already felt. Does every lobby have cheaters? Nah, I don;t think so. but it is way more in this game than others.

[@jonatanzed5218]

When I got killed by someone with ttv in nickname I usually go and check if they stream so I can see how I died and if they play legit but found them streaming only very few times. My feeling from this nicknames is they are trying to hide behind ttv so we think they are just good at the game and it partially works.

[@gagekellstrom3978]

It’s actually the opposite, people put TTV in their name so cheaters leave them alone because they don’t want to get rengawrd lol

[@t.winters8938]

i put it in my name for people to know they can see my perspective and for the obvious free advertisement.

[@toonheaded1]

If they have TTV and they're not streaming I assume they're trolling u by making u waste ur time searching for a streamer that doesn't exist.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

@@gagekellstrom3978 what is that mentality. no one cares about that midget nerd. they put TTV bcuz theyre either small streamers who cheat offstream or just troll ppl

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

I agree here, been killed by lots of "TTV" named people, well over half have no TTV account in that name. Another 40 percent have maybe a handful of streams or not streamed at all. I could count on one hand the ones that were actually steaming during that raid. I have 2500 hours in the game over 4 years.

[@failadin1]

Shoutout to Pestily, General Sam and AquaFPS being some of only level headed streamers out right now, always knew why I liked them :) Shoutout DrLupo as well, his response/reaction this morning was spot on and pretty much mirrored what Pestily said

[@eatmorvegetal3444]

They were the first 3 that got me into Tarkov. Legends.

[@icey_b1562]

Agreed. Have to say LVNDMARK has done a good job at being above the fray. A lot of streamers live for that shit and they aren’t successful.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

Sam being level headed is so hilarious to me

[@Fatymable]

@@icey_b1562 ye bro, such a good job, he deleted the entire vod with his coments

[@icey_b1562]

@@Fatymable lol I wouldn’t kill that cash cow either.

[@gerdaufdenblatten6461]

@ Pestily - posted about 3 weeks ago about that creators need to adress cheaters - there is good coming from make it visible - pressure on BSG to adress it is goiung to increase if they dont want the game to slowly die - transparany has always been a way to improvement

[@aaronu6870]

The huge number of cheaters, or even the perception of a huge number of cheaters, is what kept me from getting into this game. I can handle a steep learning curve, I can handle some bugginess and some punishing pvp, but I just can't love a game when someone can set you back hours of gameplay by cheating.

[@steakbbq]

My personal experience has been, pick up something actually valuable like a case, you will be dead within 30-60 seconds, every time. Occasionally I will make it out of a raid with a GPU, but really convenient stuff starts happening for other players. I haven't ever gotten rich in tarkov, so most of my runs are low gear. On shoreline I almost never get in a fight before 10-20 minutes. The second I load into a raid with 2-3 mil loadout, I'm getting killed in my spawn. I think the cheater problem is very bad in tarkov, and people have to have a high amount of copium to continue playing it.

[@terrFW]

yeah i stopped playing recently after 1000 hours because all of my skill means nothing when going against cheaters is so common. hard to learn from your mistakes when most of them probably werent mistakes, but rather because the person was just cheating.

[@blinkyy1088]

@@steakbbq It really is fucked; I tried to get back into it recently after not playing since 2020, and out of twenty scav raids on interchange, the only one where someone tried to kill me at extract is the one where I found a GPU. ESP cheaters run the lobbies now, making progression pointless

[@DOwhutnow]

That fact that this is even a topic is cause for casual players like myself not to waste 40 min in a raid

[@Belianify]

Correct. Until they implement a good anti cheat, like for example in valorant, I stop playing this game and advise against this game to others.

[@DOwhutnow]

@Belianify i had no idea the extent of esp users. Even if goats experience was anecdotal its enough for me to quit tarkov

[@matthewbal9626]

Refusing to play ever again until BSG makes an action statement.

[@user-lp6of4qr2o]

​@@Belianify Sucks cus this games so fuckin good. Valorant is like playing with crayons in comparison.

[@IQuickscopeCA]

@@Belianify fuck ring 0 anticheat.

[@jeffwebb7352]

"I'm an infantry soldier and I don't have the best words..." as a Marine Infantryman I felt this in my soul 😂

[@adamlannerd1408]

If BSG decided to sue that would be the death nail for their game and the studio forever. I dare them.

[@trhtkify]

very real, i like pestily but that is a naive and dumb thing to insinuate, suing someone for telling the truth doesnt end well usually. especially when you are a public figure with a shit game that is focused on silencing truth rather then hiring developers for an anti cheat, or dare i say it, better servers with less desync in this w key simulator

[@deadshot4245]

That would be the Russian thing to do be mad someone tells the truth I think their devs should have a division that uses and studies the cheats used within tarkov to better understand it and find ways to detect it

[@urtfools]

I think it resonates with so many people BECAUSE, like you, we realize the implications this singular content creator took on by this video. It speaks worlds to the fact that he made himself so incredibly vulnerable because he sees a problem, knows it’s not just his own problem, and is willing to be essentially a martyr for the sake of the future integrity of the game. He’s willing to sacrifice his livelihood and love for this game just for the hope that it might help a larger group of people. Call it blind faith, call it idiocy, call it whatever you want, but I choose to call it a noble and selfless act.

[@deadshot4245]

The hero tarkov needs

[@jensen4993]

@@deadshot4245 but not the hero r/escapefromtarkov deserves

[@caleb1505]

Promoting cheating isnt selfless hahahah

[@ajuslucky5432]

@@caleb1505 ahh yes, he's advertising cheats. But no one says nun bout the tiktok compilations about cheating, youtube videos about cheating, videos other streamers make about other cheaters, etc etc etc. G0at singlehandedly upped the cheaters! yup!

[@deadshot4245]

@@jensen4993 a true knight among the community

[@Yawp_]

There is a reason that all of the streamers have a problem with the video but the regular player base is supporting it lmao

[@bigbucksbitcoin2883]

Atleast someone had to balls to stand up and say, "hey check this out, idgaf if I get banned or not." BSG needs to get their shit together

[@alecrochon3531]

I stopped playing this wipe about 2 months ago because of this exact issue. It's borderline unplayable.

[@guitardaddy6]

I stopped playing when they released lighthouse because of the rampant cheating. I don't like dying knowing that that it was totally unfair.

[@justdakotamusic]

Wipe basically started around Christmas/New Year. Are you saying you stopped playing less than a couple weeks after wipe started?

[@cn9707]

You missed all the invisible players.

[@mr.moseby442]

I take BS on this. So you stopped playing a few weeks after wipe? Lol

[@alecrochon3531]

@@mr.moseby442 bro, i got 1300 hours on my account. I played previous wipes to about 4 years ago. It got progressively worse over time. Take what I'm saying or not but don't call bs, I'm only speaking from my personal experience. I'm kind of done with this game until they actually fix the cheating situation. It has gotten really, really bad. My account's name is Saitalec if you want proof of whatev.

[@Railroad_TalkNOutdoors]

Interesting thought process on the legal aspect. In my eyes IF they decided to pursue legal action this would make BSG look extremely bad.. or worse.. point being the creator has brought a new light to the issue and eft has grown a lot over the last few years. It would look like instead of BSG spending money on finding a fix to drastically reduce hackers they would be spending money on a lawyer to sue a content creator which would cause a ripple effect across other content creators. I believe it would cause people to quit even more than the video itself if it caused anyone to quit.. they need to address the issue quickly and they need to be willing to spend a lot of money to make sure the integrity of their game is as good as it possible can be. Food for thought.

[@akaritutorials.-7474]

As said in the comments on the actual video "BSG is the type of company to ban the wiggle instead of the cheats".

[@Real_Mick3y6]

They worry me because I used to be a big R6 player and I saw Ubi destroy their game doing the same stupid shit. I really don't want to lose a game with so much potential like Tarkov.

[@freespeech7747]

I’m fully expect the wiggle to be banned by BSG, this is how well we know these idiots

[@akaritutorials.-7474]

@@Real_Mick3y6 I agree, r6 cheating situation was also insane. I used to love the game but quit years ago due to the same reason. I love tarkov too much to quit but I'm honestly going on a hiatus or playing next wipe until this issue is fixed. The game is very unenjoyable in its current state. Games are supposed to be fun.

[@trhtkify]

@@Real_Mick3y6 its probably dead already, aint no player who values their time coming back to play 60% of the time vs cheaters, you would have to be clinically stupid to do that. in fact, most people would now require overwhelming and independent proof that the hacking problem is gone to spend money/time on this game, which isnt happening any time soon with bsg. they are more likely to silence dissent and promote streamers that say "there isnt enough data to prove there are cheaters every second raid, this game is actually really good w key simulator!! "

[@Real_Mick3y6]

@@akaritutorials.-7474 I'm also going on a hiatus until they fix it. I have plenty of other games to play and have fun with.

[@crashbandit7270]

Goat is a damn hero! I see major backlash from the community if bsg takes him to court.

[@opxns]

i don't think he's going to court, but I believe he black listed himself as a controversial creator, regardless my back is behind g0at

[@crashbandit7270]

@@opxns I agree.

[@Teddy-se8qb]

@@opxns how can bsg black list him? its the community that makes money for the content creators. not bsg.

[@zerohero5753]

@@Teddy-se8qb He recorded himself cheating. BSG's most logical course action is to blacklist him

[@miguelangelzapatacampo380]

you cant go to court for that

[@TerexJ]

Major streamer and content creator indirectly defends BSG for 15 minutes by opposing a smaller content creator who exposes and provides proof of a major problem that we are all aware of but haven't been able to confirm to this degree yet. Cool video, man.

[@alexbrestowski4131]

??? Did you even watch the video

[@JackFN_VR64]

What proof? Showing us the same sheit like 'tE wIgGle" that was already happening in videos from 2020.

[@dstrbn101]

I will never cheat in a game, I walk around wiggling every so often during a raid in the hopes I won't get 1 tapped by a cheater lol. Love ya work Pestily

[@brohemian]

Ive done this when in doubt.

[@CssHDmonster]

cant wait for pestily and sam gang to be the only streamers with reasonable takes

[@ryanbolson23]

Big fry did a video on it a day ago. He’s not a Tarkov only streamer, but he does play/stream it often enough.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

Sam is the most unreasonable yet actually reasonable guy ever and I love him for it.

[@wildfire5181]

@@Real_Mick3y6 The King of the Rats.

[@Real_Mick3y6]

@@wildfire5181 Our Lord and Savior

[@wildfire5181]

@@Real_Mick3y6 Hallowed Be Thy Name.

[@akajeremy]

I mean, I'll never play again. 800 hours wasted imho. there's been so many times where I'm like "no way this guy knew I was hiding there" and now this proves it... what a bummer

[@bluhbluhblahblah]

Hey I just want to note about your comments on SPTarkov, it’s not cracked tarkov it’s simply a reimplementation of the server side mechanics. But you still need to own the game to be able to download the game files to be able to play. There used to be another single player tarkov project which did distribute the game files so they got validly copyright striked but the SPTarkov project is not hiding and it’s still going(Reddit community and all)

[@NickGreiner1988]

If you have a friend who plays, couldn't you just get them to copy their game folder onto a USB hard drive or something

[@bluhbluhblahblah]

@@NickGreiner1988 the launcher has some built in mechanisms to avoid this as it checks for a game install, but you are right these could be bypassed or even disabled if you have the coding know how as it’s all open-source.

[@sethman88]

I think the biggest eye opening thing about his whole video isnt how many cheaters or how easy it is to cheat. But its that no one is talking about the fact that the cheating software explicitly told him to delete valorant and their anti cheat.. Like people need to think about this fact for a minute and realize that if Riot's anticheat can detect EFT cheats then its kind of obvious that BSG isnt doing everything they can, and are using this as a money train. And that while sure they'd like to not have a ton of cheaters a few every now and then makes us more money..

[@HALOCRAFT3568]

I completely stopped playing the game because i kept getting killed by people who just always know where i am, even if i just go hide from the start of the raid.

[@Heathy87]

yeah the tactical element of this game, is the entire game, so when ppl are using esp it just removes the only advantage anyone playing normally has. the only real advantage each player has is that no one really knows where you are at any given time. although I guess as we've seen it was simply an illusion.

[@fsbroli3]

Like some others have said it would be a PR nightmare to strike him after that video got broadcasted on LTT, a channel with 15 million subs.

[@arkeon_6321]

The saddest thing about the video and what was the biggest punch in the gut was the camaraderie between the cheaters. And how the guy at the end speaking said "ITs like its the cheaters vs us now". I'm done playing now and so is everyone I know. See you next wipe guys.

[@astr0868]

i just dont see the point in that. i mean I've been playing all this wipe and having a grand oll time, and its not like this magically adds more cheaters to the game. whats wrong lol. this doesn't change anything

[@WorksopGimp]

@@astr0868 It has though

[@Bigsmoke-rw8kj]

@@astr0868everyone ik quit playing to and I just recently quit bsg needs to fix something

[@al6r725]

It's liberating knowing i've gotten this far playing with cheaters, while also knowing i'm not a total timmy crying about cheaters.

[@al6r725]

@@astr0868 I dont think he was saying it would add more cheaters, more so the curtain has been lifted and we see how many people are actually cheating, and we cant brush it up to 'need to learn the maps better' or something along those lines.

[@rustknuckleirongut8107]

It is hard to make someone(content creators) believe something is broken when their income depends on nothing being broken. Even worse when some need to use the broken thing to make a living while professing that nothing is broken.

[@Ghoulishblade]

Banning 4,000 people and posting their in game name is just masterbatory. They're going to buy a new account and be back 15 minutes later.

[@deadshot4245]

Yep with the exact same cheats it’s more if we need some sales increases this month ban them now so they buy at minimum base game again and again

[@DingLaDong]

If they ban them quickly instead of waiting months, it would discourage them from buying cheat. People will not spend $40 a week just to cheat on tarkov but they get to keep their accounts for a whole wipe or years right now.

[@Ghoulishblade]

@Grind Zone most cheaters are making money off of it so what's a $40 expense when you're making a couple hundred dollars. They need an actual anticheat. From what my friend who knows a lot more about it than me battle eye doesn't look for code they just look for player behaviors that are associated with stats that are too high.

[@alex.s9423]

Happy that you aren’t one of the creators who has decided to shun this video to prioritise their own revenue

[@Focus716]

I didn’t even think of that. What I was worried about was that out of the maybe half million people that watch it many people would see how actually easy it is to install and get running and take that leap to finally try it. Some people cope with this by saying “if that’s what pushed them over the edge they were gonna cheat anyways”. That is demonstrably proven false by the 10x average increase of members to that one discord alone.

[@Midwestemoisme]

@@Focus716 people are saying that the cheat developer made a coupon code as goats youtube channel name lol i dunno how true it is but it’s very obvious how much free publicity it was

[@Focus716]

@@Midwestemoisme yeah its true eroktiik's video has screenshots from that same discord showing an average of maybe 4-6 people per day joining before and since the video it has been 50-60 per day

[@CrisURace]

This guys video is the best thing that happened to tarkov. Either the game dies because of their greed, or it will flourish if they fix really, not just by sayin "yea yea". This video was a necessity.

[@mitchgamezz1642]

I understand the 'hey don't talk about it because now more people will cheat' dilemma, but it's completely counter to how it should be tackled. Trying to push it under the rug just makes it so that the people who do cheat become a small hidden community and face little resistance. The only way this problem gets solved is if the lid gets blown off of this and everyone starts cheating. Lets face it, cheaters have been around since the beginning of tarkov. There has never been a solid push to try and counter them, and everything that BSG does is simply to try and maintain their reputation by saying 'we are trying'. No they aren't. Cheating in tarkov has never been this bad. The player base is larger than ever, and that means more cheaters too. If the player base would stop focusing on more content updates and new guns, BSG wouldn't avoid major issues like this in favor of additional content. In my opinion, BSG needs a patch like rainbow six siege had, operation health. They need to sideline content creation for a typical content creation period, 6-9 months, and work on balancing and cheating issues. It's evident in their most recent movement and weight change that even moderate rebalancing can bring a breath of fresh air into tarkov. Now I don't know how and I am not suggesting how to fix the cheating issue, but I believe it is apparent that whatever it is BSG is 'doing' to fix it isn't adequate. Any progress in lowering the amount of cheaters is better than none, even at the sake of new maps or guns. Tarkov can be tough to play and learn, but it shouldn't be unplayable and most importantly unenjoyable.

[@andycap1]

That's the exact opposite of what he said. Pestily said talking about the situation and the video is fine - but that making MORE videos where the creator installs cheats isn't okay and shouldn't be done.

[@mitchgamezz1642]

@@andycap1 that’s after the cat is out of the bag now. His previous stance was don’t talk about it ever. That’s pretty much every popular KZbinrs stance on it. That’s like looking down the barrel of a gun and ignoring the bullet in the barrel.

[@frankopanklaric]

There is a term for what Pest is doing. Concern trolling.

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

You will never be able to tell if more people cheated. When the majority of players are already cheating what does it even matter? It doesn’t. It’s like a brain tumor, sure a larger brain tumor will kill you faster, but you are already dead.

[@B_a_h]

I stopped playing when it reached the point that the only way to get ahead was naked pistol runs to fill up the secure container before getting killed.

[@r3mxd]

it didn't kill shit. it exposed how bad cheating has gotten in this game. THANK YOU GOAT unlike some others.

[@exanyt]

Exactly he had the balls to actually talk about it and show it. The other content creators or streamers are riding bsg's meat sticks.

[@mikepackham5260]

Yep, I for one won't play this game again absolutely shocking how infested the game is with cheaters. I think we all knew they existed in Tarkov but GoATS video shows it's at pandemic levels.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

yeah i dont understand the stubbornness from streamers and content creators. WHY ARE YOU SO STUBBORN AND ARROGANT? why are you trying to deflect that problem and demonize g0at in every possible way? calling him JUST A CHEATER and wanting him to be banned and saying he lies is just ukghh it gives such a bad sketchy vibe. same with landmark. why do you need statistics? he was already using c heats there is no reason to lie about % of cheaters. what? landy is scared his esp will be exposed bcuz by the clips ive seen throughout the years of him literally ignoring flashes and preaiming , its possible he's cheating

[@trhtkify]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it because they are incapable of getting a job other than streaming this game, and some of them use radar most likely, and i honestly wouldnt blame them, this games audio has been so on/off that depending solely on it for years wipe after wipe would make someone insane.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

I think the biggest issue with all of this is, How everyone seems to be pointing a finger at BSG as if this is a problem that is unique to their game alone. That simply is not the case, Every, Single, game on the market today, has these same sort of cheaters in one form or another. To imply/say otherwise is just plain wrong. If streamers and such want to force this issue and conversation they need to take it to a bigger level. Its not BSG's fault, Just like its not Activisions, Blizzards, or Riots. Its our fault. The people behind using the cheats. The people who actually Use the cheats/scripts ect.. Those are the people you blame. Look at it this way, if the Pentagon and such cant seem to keep teenagers in their moms basement from hacking into SUPER secure databases and such that hold "NATIONAL SECURITY SECRETS"... Then how on earth can you expect little ole BSG to take on that responsibility...

[@VeryBadSCAV]

2:26 totally agree with this part 3:47 intro needs to be catch and bit aggressive for viewers to get hooked up and it made most ppl angry at the video already, definitely agree again

[@neppy199]

for the part where you mentioned where the cheaters get the accounts i think a big number of them are hacked so it negatively effects actual players and players that get their accounts back cant actually get unbanned

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

They used to have a bot spam ban appeals for compromised accounts as well.

[@neppy199]

@@FormerGovernmentHuman not like that would work anyways now because of how terrible the support actually is

[@workework]

one of the more unfortunate side affects of watching that video and others afterwards and even interacting with tweets regarding the topic of cheating in tarkov, in my experience, is that I'm getting ads for tarkov cheats now. I looked up the streets trailer on youtube on my phone to show a friend yesterday and at the very top of the search results was an actual ad for tarkov cheats.

[@dichebach]

Ad Blocker ++ FTW

[@workework]

@@dichebach getting an ad isn’t the unfortunate part. The ad being for Tarkov cheats is.

[@adz951]

The upshot is that it may bring to light how bad the problem is and force BSG's hand.

[@Adalore]

seeing the actual statistics would have been nice. A lower count of data points is mostly a matter of margin of error, but certainly it's enough of a problem that there isn't much getting around it. To get any real contemporary sample you'd need to have a whole team doing things like on different maps in a cycle or something. So the scale of a "one man operation" it's reasonable, especially considering time per data point.

[@BT-ex7ko]

I do think the numbers are higher, and I totally agree with you that outside my own personal assumptions, we need far more data. I think its a great start, but Goat didn't get very far in his playtest and its well known the more blatant cheats are reserved only to be used on high level, high loot players. Most cheaters don't want to get banned, so there's always a risk v reward conflict going on and Goat never met that reward criteria for going in nearly empty every time. He also wasn't running on particularly well known maps for cheaters either; Labs, Interchange, and Shoreline are some of the most common places to find people ghosting and vacuuming out loot right in front of your eyes.

[@BEARxFPS]

I heard somewhere that BattleEye has come out and said that they could ban alot of the cheaters if they could implement some things, but bsg was refusing. i have no clue if this is true or not. hoping someone here has more info on this

[@precisionN]

@ShyRIBoyy isn't BGS UK tho?

[@LordSauron219]

@@precisionN what? BSG is literally Russian there might be an office in the U.K. but it’s a Russian company

[@precisionN]

@ShyRIBoyy gotchya

[@EtherGaming604]

Wouldn't it be crazy if we found out that BSG was secretly manufacturing cheats for their own game. Collecting money for the cheats, banning these accounts, and then commenting money endlessly for recurring purchases of their game. Not trying to start a conspiracy but it's scary to think that this could actually be possible for any game.

[@ImJusChilin]

What's worse is that they could just create the cheats and then give content creators free access to them so they can make money themselves, all why freely promoting the game. Everybody wins, except us.

[@NickGreiner1988]

​@@ImJusChilin are content creators good at the game because they've been successful, or are they successful because they're good? "Oh wow this guy's so good at the game that's why he's popular, nobody would watch me because I'm not good" Yeah, why wouldn't a dodgy company buff the game accounts belonging to a guy who advertises their game for them, to make it look like it's worth buying?

[@arturgottselig1070]

@@DelaV3 i mean sure that didnt sound racist at all.

[@datmanbrooksiehd875]

Does anyone else recall when a non-streamer put out a video where he did the almost exact same thing but only in Labs? This was over 3 years ago, and in his video there was a cheater in 75% of raids he did. It was copyright struck and taken down. Not surprising that the little guy gets silenced and they did nothing to Goat. Streamer perks 😜

[@BT-ex7ko]

I actually remember this. And although its just another in line of videos showing how bad the cheating is, I find the argument people are making that "it doesn't change anything" really weak, because the more people see that its *true*, the more people will finally understand the severity of the issue and be vocal in support of more aggressive actions against it. I'm glad one video finally finally made some proper waves, even if its only temporary.

[@ajuslucky5432]

g0at was relatively small too I remember first watching him when he literally only had like 7k subscribers just several weeks ago. But obviously cheating is the talk of the town now so if BSG did something...it would strongly hinder them.

[@T1cksandLeeches]

When going in against a larger organization, you need to have numbers on your side for support or you'll get silenced. Goat is able to stand while doing this because the community was able to see it so fast and now it can't be silenced or forgotten. If an unknown does this, a small handful of people see it and they don't have a voice loud enough to be heard either. It's not "streamer" perks, it's just a numbers game. Just like every other social justice leader in the past, they weren't the first with the idea...they were just the ones that created a platform large enough not to be silenced before getting the momentum. Not that he should be considered amongst them, it's just how going against the establishment works.

[@DaddyFrosty]

G0at was lucky, Linus from LTT leaked the video idea during their WAN show, and so g0at released the video the same night and Linus promoted his channel as “compensation”

[@seanouellette9883]

That’s what makes this such a big deal. This guy is a popular creator and he’s taking a stand.

[@АнтонЧе-з1ж]

Thank you very much, 4 years ago I wrote in the official BSG discord, in the criticism section, that anti-cheat does not work and that I will start recording videos on KZbin how cheaters kill me. For this, I was banned for 2.5 years in the official discord. Unbanned by the moderators after 2.5 years, when I decided to write to them that they had enough foolishness. This topic in BSG Taboo, forbidden to discuss, I have several friends who worked in BSG, this topic is not so simple. It can be discussed by popular people like you. The rest are simply banned .... Thank you, you are the best!

[@roadrunner6224]

Considering how much alot of Streamers are flaming Goat, every streamer should stream with a shoulder cam to prove they aren't using ESP. It really feels like this hit way closer to home than they would like.

[@jinx20001]

absolutely... i wonder how many would be willing to do that. a lot of them probably do use ESP since its so incredibly easy to hide. some of these bitches definitely seem to have super human hearing, or they can see people coming.

[@von...]

lvndmark would never lmao

[@trhtkify]

every follower of this game should immediately unfollow every streamer who negatively reacted to the video, this video should have been made a long time ago with the amount of people that play this game as a job, its a disgrace they haven't exposed it themselves already and it shows they are spineless

[@von...]

@@TwizzElishus oh shiiiiit, I was not aware of that. That is a very interesting turn of events...

[@squirtchimsley8682]

Landmark did make a video like that though lol. Landmark clearly doesn’t cheat. Anyone who watches his stream knows he get dicked down all the time. His KZbin videos mostly just shows his best raids which are picked on that standard alone.

[@LittleRainGames]

Someone already did make a video like this, except he did it on labs only, said about 50% of raids had cheaters. He did the exact same thing by using the wiggle method. This was years ago too, cant remember who, don't think he was that popular.

[@themanonthepan]

he posted it to reddit and it got instantly deleted by the mods, it was a big thing way back lol

[@AlienYogurtPot123]

The one thing that video shows is that there is honestly no point playing Tarkov anymore unless you have a clear advantage. It shows just how bad it really is every lobby has a cheater. What's the point. It's honestly way more than anyone has thought, and now you have the proof. That video without a doubt should kill the game, unless you stoop to a cheaters level, and start cheating.

[@GodEleven]

As a Woods savant I can confidently say that Woods has plenty of cheaters. Love ya Pest thanks for talking about this

[@kdcustoms1272]

I've heard it's one of the worst for cheaters, lol.

[@orionfell]

@@kdcustoms1272 tons of loot that you dont need keys for + big open map where cheaters can avoid conflicts makes it popular. night woods is even worse

[@kdcustoms1272]

@@orionfell only map I've ever had someone charge me at the start of a raid. And told me what gun I had when I knew it was no way he seen me. 1 tapped. Cheaters suck balls.

[@stevenrobinson8832]

I have over 3k hours on Tarkov. I've got kappa twice, tracksuit once and was a labs main for an extended period of time. Personally after watching that video that was posted it has deterred me from even opening the game. I have lost all interest in playing knowing that a good portion of the player base is cheating. This game got me through some rough times in my life and will always have a soft spot in my heart. But to see how fast the game has detiriated due to one issue (cheating), just hurts. I hope something will change for the better soon.

[@Driblus]

Not sure how you'd get to 3k hours without realising how big the problem is. And its not just Tarkov, its every game like it. Cheating is rampant, and humans are the problem - not the cheats.

[@koolaiddude7685894]

​@Driblus speaking massive facts. Same goes for tons of other similar PvP games

[@stevenrobinson8832]

@@Driblus Most of my hours are earlier wipes when cheaters weren't as prevalent. I would go at least 20 labs without getting hacked once.

[@atombomb4229]

pest, huge fan, im so happy for your success and the awesome vids. this react vid is great, i agree with a bunch of what you said. I only have one question, a real question, why tf are those cabinets open in the background?? love ya buddy

[@Hoffmatic]

I can’t unsee it

[@SaintSkeleton]

I think its also important to mention that the same cheats used in THE VIDEO , would be detected by Valorant if you tried to launch that game , The cheats come with a warning that even though you arent cheating in valorant their anticheat is at a point that the security flaws used to cheat in Tarkov are major redflags with the Valorant Anticheat simply being on your system (although people complain their anticheat looks a little to deep ) ... meaning that at least with these specific types of cheats using this manner of breaching security someone has already come up with an extremely effective method of combating it , which certainly leads to the conspiracy theory that BSG is profiting off of the cheaters because they could just permantly fix the issue ... but why do that when you can keep printing money

[@Seredinh]

Look how Tarkov runs, would you trust them enough to give their anticheat access to kernel level?

[@IQuickscopeCA]

@@Seredinh this is my take. Everyone that wants ring 0 anticheat doesn't know what it is.

[@SaintSkeleton]

@@Seredinh no sir , you are correct , but i do believe the team is sorely lacking experts in unity architecture , especially relating to security and optimization , they could hire some non-russian experts but ive heard rumors that they refuse to

[@damodunt853]

​@giselle6723csgo mm isn't nearly as bad as it used to be the trust factor system is working fantastic these days you rarely ever see cheaters unless you have lower trust, which you have to cheat or be extremely toxic to have

[@xfy123]

@giselle CSGO matchmaking is cheaters only if you have a low trust factor. Valve has pretty much the best anticheat setup right now, the ways all the systems work together really gives you a almost cheat free experience unless you have a brand new steam account and only CSGO on it.

[@gavo4222]

THIS GUY KNOWS HOW TO REACT TO THAT VIDEO

[@nitemare20000]

You could tell that the vast majority of his raids were on customs so you don’t have to worry about those tiny splits you brought up. I’m actually glad that he did mostly one map because otherwise people would be picking apart the different maps saying shit like “well he went labs a bunch, that’s where all the cheaters were. This isn’t something to worry about anywhere else.”

[@darkprometheus]

I think also it makes sense to only go customs cause it's the first map that everyone is going to for quests so it's the most played map every wipe the first month or so

[@TeaGuyTom]

Pest, I've been dealing with cheaters since 1.3 counter-strike. Back when we played nightly pubs with the same group of dudes and if someone was suspicious, we'd spectate and clear 'em out. I understand the size is difficult to manage when there's so many servers, but as a game developer what is stopping them from running admin powered fake players to monitor the servers and snip these dudes off. Like, doesn't the wiggle meta piss them off as much as it pisses the rest of us off? That's what I'm baffled by. Shouldn't they be like "yeah, this is annoying as hell... we're going to start running cheats on our end and insta banning these people when they wiggle back. It's no different when in CS one of us would spectate and be like, no chance he would turn around there... and then we would take responsibility for that player and get rid of them using our best knowledge because we owed it to the people that came and played in our pub. I don't know man, we got cheaters all over Rust, but at least there's a few active admins I can ping and they even make content out of it like Camomo. It's bizarre man. Love the vids, welcome back Pest. ☕

[@FormerGovernmentHuman]

Yeah and you probably falsely banned alot of good or lucky players, it’s a double edged sword. Luckily you can just find another server. Being a young squeaker that was really good at CS got me banned from alot of pubs back in the day and I had no idea how to cheat. I barely understood how to import a spray image. However I agree, giving trusted players the ability to spectate raids and report suspicious players or record them for manual review would be very nice. Kill cams in the post raid screen would also help.

[@TeaGuyTom]

Nothing better than dunking on the leader of the clan on their server. It does sound a bit precarious when the "leader of the server" is the entire tarkov game and not just like `24/7 cs_assault *[LEETCLAN]* Hideout`. Great point. ☕

[@endoroboto]

It's crazy that the thing you worried the most about was whether or not he would be banned for life from the game.

[@dominikczinczoll1268]

hot take: Pestily is mostly a tarkov YT/streamer, much money comes from this source. The video has the potential to destroy tarkov's reputation. So whose side will pestily be on ?

[@mrcopes165]

I've always had the mantra of not accusing people who cheat unless they are obvious, "that" video shows how many subtle cheaters there truly are in Tarkov.

[@tamaninesauc]

Exactly. I fault myself before i look at others. That’s a good mindset to have when playing games, especially fps.

[@kapparipperino4055]

The first time I saw a video of g0at it was a few weeks ago where he stated he would not be playing anymore without a replay system or something along these lines, I think he fully expected the possibility of not being able to livestream this game or anything similar and accepted the possible repercussions

[@SciGuy]

Lol this is exactly what I was thinking. I was like, this guy wants to go out with a bang.. to me, he doesn’t care about the game and is going for a big gain for himself? Idk though, it just makes me more skeptical seeing how he never posted ANY data and expects us to believe him.. idk man, I think it should be questioned a little more. What do you guys think?

[@fraai]

@@SciGuy he posted data just by showing the clips. those clips are data. so dont say he didnt post "ANY". either way he is looking at solutions too. he is talking with other anti-cheat developers (his recent video) on what bsg is lacking and these are excellent discussions and in my opinions proves he cares about the game.

[@SOP.D]

I just uninstalled the game after playing and loving it since 2019. I really want to keep playing this game and rekindle the 2019-2021 days but with the rampant hackers infesting the lobbies, it's just not possible for me anymore. It used to be a very stable experience where I don't need to worry about hackers, terrible audio, and questionable changes. But with each wipe, it just felt like it was going downhill and now I have very little motivation to play the game outside of playing with friends. It's a sad state of affairs when you see something that you've had plenty of time with fall so hard. I really hope they do something, but how BSG is handling the current cheating problem it's not going to happen soon enough.

[@SparkZ009]

Honestly its the only correct way to go about this. I havent played for as long as you (started during christmas 2021) and i've stopped playing for an indefinite amount of time and will be sporadically following the cheating situation. BSG now needs to earn back my trust (this sounds kinda pompous im sorry) and other people's trust. If it takes every legit player quitting and hackers soaring to 100% for BSG to actually stop most of their activity and focus most of their attention on this issue, and actually SHOW it to people to earn some good faith back, then i'll accept the potential of this game hemorraging heavily. I'd rather have it die than be hopelessly infested. If BSG is unable to keep up with the development expertise it requires then let someone else do it.

[@DontGiveThemAnyInfo]

My friend used to complain about cheaters, and it also sorta annoyed me. Like i never noticed them and i assume i just got caught out. Sure id encounter the obvious one every few months or so Seeing that 60% of the 125 had someone cheating, thats terrifying. Maybe it really is cheaters ruining the game.

[@D00DACOW]

I agree with most of this as expected from Pest but I do think, in regards to the defamation lawsuit potential (speaking from a U.S. perspective), I don't think BSG would win defamation in this situation unless Goat was making claims he knew to be false. He may not have hard data in the video, but that data would be readily available if his claims are truly accurate to his testing. Personally, I think it would be a PR dumpster fire if BSG went after him in a lawsuit, not to say they couldn't try.

[@albeylazo2659]

It would be a MAJOR DISASTER for BSG if they tried to sue him for defamation. People would boycott the game en mass, probably would put the game down for good. Risk/reward for BSG is to let this slide and die down with time.

[@markamiller1970]

Great seeing a fellow Grunt (Infantry Soldier) making it happen on KZbin! FIDO Brother!

[@kamalpennant4542]

BSG would get shamed by the community if they tookn him to court. A lot more bad than good would come from that for them

[@SparkZ009]

Very balanced and neutral take highlighting all sides, good stuff. I think streamers who say this is nothing new aren't exactly in the wrong, but thats extremely biased. Streamers play 4-12 hours a day almost every day, put in a large volume of quick raids, a lot on hot maps like labs where cheating is rampant, and thus they have a decently accurate view of the shenanigans happening. But i'd wager from the response from most of the common folk who play much less that the video came as a shocking revelation. I watch a lot of streamers and am generally in touch with the more popular players and even I was shocked at how shamelessly they were doing it so even for me it was eye opening and made me outright stop playing indefinitely until a VISIBLE improvement can be seen. Nikita's response doesn't inspire any hope in me without something measurable to evaluate. Also never saw how the video glorified cheating, but I agree with some streamers, you could steelman the perspective of not condemning it or shaming the very act itself enough. Semanthics.

[@TCyoutube1]

I first got Tarkov in 2018 and needed some guides on the tasks, which is how i actually found your channel in the first place. Absolutely loved your vids and stayed for the entertainment. Now EFT is my favorite game of all time, the gear guns and combat are sublime, but i refuse to play it, solely because of the cheater epidemic. There was just as much cheating before battleeye than there is now. 2018 of you joined a game with an M4 then you would always die within minutes to a single head tap from the abyss. I adapted my play style to actually combat the cheaters. Very low gear, going to places in the map with low loot and being less apealing. Problem is that you miss a lot of the enjoyment from the game. After years of putting up with cheaters i just left it. Which is a shame but i think EFT highlights the cheating epidemic that has existed since Counter Strike first arrived. What can be done to combat them? Who knows, short of having an anti cheater player in each raid who can police the issue. I would definately volunteer for that fyi Battlestate games. To end with, cheaters have actually stopped me from watching any Pestily EFT videos. Used to love the series but ultimately i know that Pestily would not have the same challenges as a normal player. Cheaters know to avoid him because they will get insta banned. Its annoying watching Pestily play raids where he will have the actual game experience when normal players just wont get that. So unless something can be done about the cheaters it will also effect streamers who will lose viewers due to the resentment that they get to enjoy the game properly with out the cheaters ruining it for them. Tarkov still is my favourite game of all time that i wont be playing again.

[@revisit8480]

>BSG does barely anything about cheaters >It's still my favorite game Yeah, sounds like the Fallout 4 / Skyrim cope. "Just mod the game dude", it's not perfect, but...

[@DinoNucci]

Tldr

[@goodsnpr]

I quit playing EFT and swapped to SPT after dying 10 raids in a row with an SVD and getting zero kills with it. Most deaths were under 2 minutes into raid, just straight headshot from across the map. The video just showed me that until BSG does some radical changes, and not just with anti-cheat, I won't touch the live game again. In what other shooter have you seen invisible players/bots not be fixed quickly?

[@itsKPmate]

Love your take on the whole situation, Pest. Nice to see someone actually take a look at the whole picture, rather than just seeing: “he cheated, that’s bad”, “we had beef last week, I’m not watching”, “Everybody already knows cheating exists, this is useless” “He’s just chasing clout” Personally, I don’t care if he get’s banned, I thought BSG would do that anyway when I watched it myself, he put himself in that situation at the end of the day. Respect though, for putting himself in the crosshairs of the devs & community, to give us that information.

[@varvarith3090]

things that CAN be destroyed by the truth HAVE to be destroyed.

[@KittenyKat]

The Video proved me right about everything I'd been saying about cheating in Tarkov for years. They're not going to be flying around the room spinning in the sky and one-shotting everyone to death or anything that braindead obvious, they're going to be sneaky and subtle about it and try to hide the fact that they're cheating.

[@nathanlibranda2447]

Your point about wanting more statistical data about where the cheaters are found; the community as a whole would love this info. The normal players would love to learn "US East Coast" has twice as many cheaters as "US West Coast", but if a statement like that is made on a popular video then the cheaters will just adjust as they see fit. It is nice to see the statistical data, but it is also not nice since the cheaters see the same data. My Tarkov communities have spent a lot of time and effort finding server, map, and timezone combinations that work better for us. If a statistical video of cheater locations, maps, and times came out then it would cause enough of a shift of cheaters to ruin all the time and effort we've invested to find preferable servers.

[@tamaninesauc]

Ok, you and pest obviously have no idea how statistical analysis works, what is it based on, how statistical datasets are composed, and MOST IMPORTANTLY what variables to analyse i.e. - identifying the characteristics or factors that you believe may have an impact on the phenomenon you are studying. In this case we want to study cheaters. You mentioned “east coast vs west coast”, now please identify what, and i mean specifically, what characteristics of east coast and west coast may affect your data ? I mean, Europe vs US definitely. But major noticeable differenc within a country ? I highly doubt that that would grant any significant results unless theres a major difference between the server technical properties. For example, EU vs US - financial stability. These cheats cost money. Eu is, generally speaking, poorer than the us (per capita). Us east vs us west. Unless there are some major gaming culture differences between those servers i highly doubt you’d find anything of note.

[@GrimmFilmEnt]

Went from one of the most respected EFT players and proponent of the game in my eyes to a shill in 15 minutes.

[@downdabeach]

One thing I found interesting was the other video goat put up the other day, where he said that Valorants anti-cheat would detect his EFT cheat but EFTs battleeye anticheat would not. That says something. BSG can do more, but aren't.

[@alphabro5847]

Apparently it's that way because of the way they built/ coded valorant from the start. There's some really great IT people who were talking to father nakita on reddit about options they can take to combat the cheating issue. I have to admit though, I'm not really hyped on letting a russian based company infiltrate my computer on a hardware level like valorant does.

[@meto4545]

@@alphabro5847 -_-

[@downdabeach]

@@alphabro5847 yeah Ive got limited knowledge in the IT/tech bizz, just heard about valorant being basically cheater free and that their anti-cheat might be a bit intrusive. I know that Im probably not installing tarkov again until something big happens. This wipe should be a wake-up call for BSG.

[@alphabro5847]

@@meto4545 ?

[@alphabro5847]

@@MrNigsWhittington if you're referring to valorant or tiktok or some weird shit, I don't have either of those installed. Cool name btw👍

[@Loliuxish]

I am glad that goat had balls actually to publish that video. I am pretty much on his side that he showed how bad this situation is. And that BSG needs to do something about it. Seen how other content creators are crying about it instead of supporting him for having balls to publish that.