Let's Talk Body Armor (Feature Length) 101

Looking at body armor can be a very confusing task. If you understand what you're looking for it can make things a lot easier for you. These are some basics for what body armor is and which may be best for you.
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[@KorpseTE]

And now it's July 2020 and here we all are looking about body armor videos on KZbin. Be safe. Be smart. Be free.

[@seerking]

lol hahahaha yaaaa, you know its that time of modern life

[@johnhall4429]

And always remember guys and gals. Once you send that round down range you can't get it back.

[@thepetersons2805]

This just came up in my feed I was not looking for body armor. There must be alot of people searching body armor. Sign of the times.

[@tylerl6589]

nailed it!

[@megamilyon6111]

Antifa killing people in the streets

[@coltL]

“Know your threat level “ Me: Threat Level? Midnight 😂

[@jdc8352]

4 steel plates and 300 rounds of 5.56......some fitness is VERY important 👍

[@SylentONE]

I'd love to strap on a full carrier and do sprints at the local park. But I'd probably be surrounded by SWAT before I finished my first set. I wouldn't even mind just walking 5 miles with the set on. But it's impossible to not scare all the suburbanites. Damn I miss the Fort Irwin desert

[@whatculo9330]

DJ Oliver Bisquit I see the CrossFit people running around with their 5.11 PC and Rougue weighted plates. Shouldn’t be a problem for you to train same way. I also run with my PC on trails, never had an issue. Just don’t carry ammo.

[@SylentONE]

@@whatculo9330 Sounds like a good idea.

[@brandonGCHACHU]

@@SylentONE Get one of those weighted fitness vests . I see them online for $25 and go from 44lbs to 110lbs.

[@alexduke5402]

@@SylentONE put it all in backpack and draw it up as tight as you can or just run with a naked carried it kinda looks like a weight vest

[@davstevenson3307]

I heard your comment about Condor plate carriers, I have been wearing one for fours years now in Afghanistan and it has weathered extremely well. Its getting worn through finally where the corner of the plates hit but other then that no complaints and would wear them anytime.

[@DJEinsteinUSA]

I put mine through some serious fire fights on 3 tours and mine held up too. I really thought Condor made a good carrier. I even bought an all black one when i got out! Sooooooooo maybe Armalite is a sponsor of his or maybe his didn't work him. He was so knowledgable though and convincing that he makes me want to get Armalite and get Dfndr armor. lol

[@aleksfoxtrot8044]

Condor started out more for airsoft stuff and got a bad wrap. But they've come a long way once contractors and active duty military started buying their stuff they stepped their game up. Nothing wrong with condor.

[@TheTyrial86]

@@DJEinsteinUSA I would buy one and change the pads out. They work fine, and I even bought a chest rig to go along with it.

[@garrettzkool63]

@@aleksfoxtrot8044 they only bought them because the airsofters were buying up all the quality stuff lol i bought an mopc years ago and its a piece of shit. i honestly think i got a lemon or maybe theyve improved since then, (about 2008), i remember going to pull up the main velcro flap on the front and instead of the velcro undoing, it was all the stitches ripping. so i put a massive hole in it. idk if id get condor again, id have to inspect it first.

[@aleksfoxtrot8044]

@@garrettzkool63 I had a condor zip up vest around the same time as you had your PC. It absolutely sucked, vests suck anyway. Either plate carrier or chest rig. Choose one. Haha But I do think condor was much lower quality back then. I run mayflower, and chase tactical now. But I have some veteran buddies who have deployed multiple times under combat arms MOS and used condor plate carriers over seas, and one of them uses one for his kit here, hes rough on it, it holds up. They both said they held up overseas. they weren't the most comfortable carrier, but they were durable enough for war.

[@hossv1147]

Well done TDS, breakdown seemed very enlightening and intuitive. Really helped me in my search for armor.

[@elcaminante29]

THANK YOU for making this video! This is exactly the introduction to body armor I've been looking for!

[@chubbethsthunder]

Thank you very much. You and your family have a blessed weekend.

[@donfrost9457]

Great video! Lots of good, detailed info; clearly presented. Thanks

[@RP-wf7el]

The details you covered are very informative! Thank you !

[@stephansmith1937]

Very well presented with all the relevant details.

[@damonharrington2948]

Truly appreciated this video. One of the better ones!

[@Bbrookie]

Very informative and comprehensive video! Thank you.

[@66block84]

Great and thorough explanation! Thanks.

[@lomberetactical1844]

Awsome video! I’ve been wanting body armor for a long time. This was very helpful

[@CopperJacketTV]

Awesome. Glad it helped.

[@jimmotley6804]

Great video I am new to body armor and learned a great deal from this thanks!

[@michaelw.urbansr.8617]

For your favorite carrier that has those strap dose have adapters for side plates as well.They mollie onto those straps.

[@mosilver1572]

I know you were trying to keep it short, but maybe do another video about how to adjust them (maybe you already have), which is critical. The plates need to be a the right level, but also adjustment for comfort. If the carrier is adjusted right, you will move better, and can keep wearing it longer. That would be helpful for a lot of people.

[@gfan1972]

good info and very in depth, thanks!

[@Dominolha74]

Thanks for this video. Led me down the right path and I get some medium range armor and plates. Now the 4 to 8 week delivery for the plates lol. Coming apocalypse!

[@tacticalagent7399]

Extremely informative video! Thanks brother!

[@VanPrepper]

Haven't seen you in a while my friend. Your beard is epic at this point! I was so pleased to see you're still making videos.

[@darrylbrooks9340]

Whew.... That's alot of information but I've learned alot. Thanks for the video.This has helped me so much. I may have to watch this afew times just to absorb all the info lol.

[@lr22same47]

Thanks for the explanation and video.

[@tmay1975]

Great 101 class on body armor!

[@doctorartphd6463]

Excellent presentation and research. Thank you, brother.

[@gregc107]

He Failed on the research...

[@gamerdaddy8597]

Very informative. Thanks!

[@NgJackal1990]

Very good information!

[@_GlockComa]

When you're 6'4' & 250lbs even the 11x14 plates are "swimmer's cut 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Your name is clever, and hilarious.

[@_GlockComa]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood thanks man! A lot of people dont get it, you're quite witty to get it, lol! 🤟

[@tubeguy4066]

Loose some weight my dude

[@just-incase3483]

@@tubeguy4066 lose

[@recentlydeleted]

@@tubeguy4066 that's a normal weight for someone that tall

[@buddyb4343]

Seems to be a very complete, for an entry level, articulate presentation.

[@TacticalBeard]

I love my “ warrior assault systems DCS “ plate carrier

[@southeastdaygo6193]

Thank you for the knowledge

[@shojus]

MORE "feature length" vids please! 😁

[@danmedina1983]

Great presentation, learned alot.thx

[@paulwatterson5992]

Very informative thank you.

[@1LSWilliam]

Really useful. Thanks!

[@roland3504]

Along with the moisture from improper storage there is also moisture from sweat if you wear it consistently.

[@johnyisfunny1]

Very informative thank you for the detailed information... I guess the next video would be comparing vest....

[@nickhyslop5743]

Don’t forget to read everything when buying. Some composite plates require soft armor behind them

[@gregc107]

I add a trauma pad no matter what it is! I mean it cant hurt (excuse the pun)..

[@gregc107]

MSC if that round makes it thru LvL Composite plates then you wont need to worry about the soft armor breech. But that soft plate would to some extent buffer the possible blunt force trauma. Besides that I wear LvL IIIa daily, and if someone tacks me with a rifle round all bets are off anyway. But the chances of a rifle from an attacker is a lower probability as an encounter, since most crooks was concealability in the form of a pistol or a sawed off shotgun from my observations.

[@gregc107]

MSC I own IIIa soft, IIIa slash/stab proof, IIi+ and LvL iV plates. I also have my fair share of carriers..etc While you might be right that ceramic is a way to play, I don't see anyone selling "Concealable types". Also be aware that with Plates you'll likely not have side protection, and if you manage to do so you just added more bulk to a setup that should be less noticeable by design. Designs from Second Chance, SafeLife and others are wrap arounds, so the side protect is built in. I don't know about SafeLife but Second Chance is able to also allow a 7"X9" heart plate to be installed in a pocket over the from panel They mostly have to be about 1 inch thick, so I don't see you or many people hiding the print from wearing them. Now if you know of some all good, so what concealable LvL IV panels are you wearing? I'm sure many of us would like to know!

[@gregc107]

MSC. here is your advancement: Level IV Concealed Bulletproof and Stab Proof Vest with Polyethylene Boron Carbide Plates $1,099.00 ALSO Made in Israel Level IV armor protects against Caliber Protection AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm PS MI93,5.56 mm x 45 mm SS109 5.56 mm x 45 mm AK 47 7.62 mm x 36 mm APIBZ 30.06,7.62 mm x 63 mm AP

[@gregc107]

MSC.. First off you didn't answer my what level IV that is concealable that you are wearing, so now I assume you are just trolling. and there are a few people that opt for side protection, I'm guess you didn't know or don't care to recognize there are those that do so. Anyway talk to me when you REALLY want to do an honest discussion... Later dude.. I spent enough time of you to prove my point.

[@macewen1]

Good info, thanks.

[@mikek4893]

Thank you!

[@thomaschase7097]

Great video and ty.

[@road_king_dude]

I rock a Red Head hoodie from Bass Pro.

[@mrj10101]

Thank you I feel this was a very informative video

[@454pakr]

Good info, thanks!

[@us_loco8189]

Thank you 🙏

[@RightWingNutter]

VERY informative.

[@kennethzapen3066]

informative video. Thank you sir.

[@daonlyrainsolo]

Good info

[@2461mark]

best explanation ..

[@fook-joby-den6172]

-Rma #1155. 7.8lbs ea -Strike Face lv4 10x12” 5.5lbs ea Or a level 3+ triple curve steel plate with anti spawl coating and soft armor/padded backer if concerned about the composite lv 4 p ok eyes cracking. I’m big guy but the extra weight if lv 4 11x14’ plates are 11-12lb ea. Tale at least for me I don’t want psy 2-3x much, for something that’s 50% heavier and offer minimal additional coverage.

[@wanbawmcgraw3045]

This helped a lot, since I live in the UK the only guns used by gangs here are 9mm and 22. So i only need a IIIa, the main reason for gangs using 9mm is because they tend to buy new “clean” guns that have never been used before so NCA can’t track it.

[@SwheatCents]

I love my AR500 TESTUDO GEN2 level III+ lightweight. Got the AR500 FREEMAN for the wife. Fits her perfect not too heavy for her.

[@JohnWicksPencil14]

I have a condor operator carrier with two 10x12 AR500 LVL III plates. The carrier is way too cumbersome and since I’m going into law enforcement I’ve been looking at more streamlined carriers on the budget friendly side. The AR500 Veritas and Veritas lite are on the top of my list right now.

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

AR500 Testudo Gen 2 III+ plates with coating for fragmentation.

[@bullishsilver1840]

Sounds about right 👌

[@gregc107]

Honestly, I would start with what you think you need the most first. Are you wanting to protect yourself for a possible everyday threat ( mostly all pistols with soft panel tech), or are you looking at SHTH type protection in the form of a plate carrier? The first question I had to ask myself was do I want to be shot? the reply from me to me was NO!!!! So my first purchase was armor that could protect my everyday. I went with Second Chance, but there are a few companies that produce armor Safe Life is one. But here is what I recommend.. Call and talk to the sales guy for say AR500, but realize he/she is trying to sell you something. But its the information that you want. ALSO KZbin is you friend. Look at lots of footage on BA. It wont be long before you be able to make a more informed assessment of what will work for your needs.

[@XxxAtlantaxxX]

@@gregc107 I did a lot of looking/searching .. I wanted body armor and primarily for training and just in case it gets real out here. Figuring out the plate strengths is simple - finding a quality carrier is hard. AR500 had what I see/saw as the best regarding construction, comfort, breath-ability, and cool factor. Watching their plates get shot up by various people help me select them as well. Plus because am a closet ninja i like having people put on the vest when they come over and awing them to purchase lol

[@gregc107]

@@XxxAtlantaxxX I went with the Invictus carrier, but honestly I didn't like 9 lb steel plate which I have from them as well. As a result I went to a couple other options. I also have composite poly/ceramic plates 6 lbs, as well as polyethylene at 3.5 lb with the later being positive buoyancy. in case my shoes weigh too much...lol

[@inyermouthbaybeh]

Your setup is heavy

[@eltonjcasarez2744]

Kind sir thank you for your videos and information, you cleared up a lot of ? I had .🦅🇺🇸😎

[@paulhughes3961]

Very informative, thank you. I've looked into body armor but damn it's expensive for good body armor.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Save up for it and don't skimp on it. I personally don't trust steel so I had to save up for ceramic but I'm glad I did. Wouldn't want to go down early because of an unlucky fragment going into something important.

[@xxP1ST0LER0xx]

Me: Hi I’m interested in body armor and don’t know what to get. Gun store clerk: what do you want to stop? Me: Tyrants Gun store clerk: You’re going to need what ever you can brother.

[@TienP1997]

You’re gonna need a tank and 9 lives my friend.

[@phukyew14]

@@TienP1997 Tell that to the afghans

[@agmsmith4079]

I was gonna say you’ll need a few A-10s and a couple AC-130s

[@agmsmith4079]

Holliday ... you need to read “Outlaw Platoon” by Sean Parnell. www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Platoon-Renegades-Brotherhood-Afghanistan/dp/0062066404

[@phukyew14]

@@agmsmith4079 ok I'll check it out thanks

[@vicranger6876]

The carriers really make the difference when you’re moving around . Of course good armor is a big deal, but if you have something, it sure beats your coat only. Also, the plates can be thrown in your back pack and once again, you at least have something and you can swing your backpack around in front of you or over someone like your wife, child, parent or a friend you would give your life for and then you can maybe get a better angle on the shooter.

[@rfi-cryptolab4251]

I have some 10x12 ceramic alumina iii+ plates that weigh 6 lbs each. Also have some 10x12 iii+ steel from TSG. They weigh about 6.3lbs each. My old level iii BAM steel plates weigh 8.3lbs ea. The TSG iii+ steel plate is only 0.200" thick. I think it's a low end iii+, but none the less it's lighter than standard level iii plates.

[@BlasterBoyz541]

Great video

[@waynebattersby9461]

I have level 3+ steel. From CATI so far I am happy with it.

[@silvermanicattack8190]

Just got my CATI CQB 4 curve lvl3 plates.fit very nice,good price.

[@07negative56]

Ditto!

[@fuzzypickle5307]

Just make sure the armor is sized properly for your torso. Unfortunately for me the standard 10x12 is too big for me, I need a SAPI small cut.

[@AndyE30]

You should consider a helmet vid! This is valuable stuff to get in front of people's eyes.

[@brucesomething4960]

Thank you 😀 finally someone who knows what they are talking about 😎

[@DJEinsteinUSA]

Guy you just earned a supporter! Good video!!! i just might get agilite!!!!!!

[@patricksmith9394]

You did a video on RTS Tactical vest. Had a good deal on a plate carrier with plates gloves elbows and knees pads so I pulled the trigger and got it on March 26. Now its May 12 7 emails never answered but they still have my money. AR500 got some go deals if I can get my money back. DONT REVIEW THEIR PRODUCTS IF THEY CAN'T DELIVER. I sure you like yours since it was for free.

[@sherweezy408]

Regarding expiration, a lot of the plates will last longer than you. Just don't be a dummy and leave it outside in the elements or in your car during hot times. There are some testing out there on expired body armor and performed just fine.

[@TacticalBeard]

Yea “ expiration dates” are very conservative and are to prevent lawsuits. If you take care of the armor it will last a very long time.

[@NCFREEMAN]

Thank you for this very informative video! You really helped me understand the difference between armor companies. I currently have the Spartan Armor carrier and the AR500 Testudo Gen 2 level 4 multi curved system and really like them both but the AR500 Plate Carrier is a lot better overall. Personal opinion I am ordering a set of Defender plates and looking at another plate carrier also. What do you recommend for ballistic high cut helmets and battle belts?

[@paulmatakovich9096]

Donated a soft 2A vest from Safariland that was made 1988 to my paramedic school. I shot at it several times and it stopped 45, 9mm and 380. I now have a 7yr old point point blank 3a+ I shoot at. It’s stopped all handgun, shotgun and 22lr I have shot at it.

[@silent1267]

A perfect plate would be 3 layer... ceramic in front, steel in the middle with the pad in the back

[@grahamhancock4904]

Sounds heavy AF

[@5134boris]

Something that wasn't meantioned: NIJ Certified vs. "NIJ Rated". NIJ Rated may not nessisarily be an accurate assessment of what it will and won't do.

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

If they are printing that it is.. otherwise lawyers would eat them up.. the only two reasons for not getting nij certified is 1) expense which then has to be transferred to the buyer.. 2) backface deformation standards. That said yes some companies do print said rating and the backface deformation is so bad it would still kill you.. but overall generally speaking anything of mention is just as good if not better then advertised. A prime example is the new LA police gear lv3 nij rated but not certified plates which actually are lv4 certified should they have been tested. Before thinking the nij rating actually means anything of mention you should first understand that there are many testing agencies all having different certification ratings for the same thing works wide.. nij ratings really don’t mean much of anything at all.. it’s even less meaning full then the fbi ballistic testing media for ammo lol.

[@AshGreen359]

NIJ Certified means it was been though testing by the NIJ. NIJ rated means they tested it themselves and you can also probably find KZbin video of it being tested also

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

Ash Green I know what it means.. that still doesn’t mean anything other then they laid to have it tested and now have to transfer the costs.. nij isn’t the only official testing agency out there either. Nij is a US only testing company. Their are many other agency’s that test for other areas of the globe. A lot of items tested are in conjunction with tests.. no one reads that label though.. a lot of companies saying meets the rating are providing stand alone units that most times likely would fail stand alone tests and be in conjunction with tests.. this jacks up the cost even more so. A reputable company willing to provide anything in print tested or not is putting their name on the line legally. So if they say it it is true otherwise they would get eaten alive in courts the first time they failed. If you’re worried about rated vs certified.. then add a trauma pad cause it’s the back face deformation that likely is sub par. Thus lacking it an in conjunction unit anyways..

[@wolf-ls7jx]

Pretty soon body armor will be in everyone's future. Just sayin'

[@BernardLawes]

it's already on my future... stay safe... idiots on the street

[@AshGreen359]

The federal government is working to ban it right now

[@AshGreen359]

@Danny Hackett Won't be legal to buy soon. Bill is in the house right now

[@DisappointedSon0813]

@Danny Hackett Literally everyone.

[@linzmcgeorge]

You ain't wrong. I have mine on order right now.

[@TheSkinnyMechanic]

Gotta try and get acelink to send you one of their quad release carriers to check out

[@chryder2443]

I don’t want to not pick because you make excellent videos but I just want to clarify that level IIIA is NOT rated for rifle rounds. IIIA stops .357 sig and .44 magnum but not realistic intermediate cartridge rifle rounds.

[@ryanpeck3377]

IIIA is a rating generally only used on Soft Armor (same with II & IIA). Hard armor is rated III or IV (III+ is Not an official rating and is used by steel armor companies, however being its not standardized the protection offered by III+ armor varies by manufacturer)

[@cruzcartagena7750]

If you haven't yet, how about a review of RMA plates. Model 1155 Lvl IV. Would like to hear your opinion as well as your test results.

[@davidoftheforest3822]

did I hear that right? Level II will not stop .44 Magnum. Whoever told you it will, doesn't like you

[@jamesc.9065]

Yep, you need at least IIIa to stop 44mag 👍🏽

[@stephenkoch3589]

Love your channel, but these are the correct terms for the topic. .........Spalling and fragmentation are actually two different things, although they are related and dangerous. Fragmentation is what happens when the bullet hits the body armor, and pieces fly off. Spall is the pieces of body armor that break from the impact of the bullet.

[@brianblas7400]

I decided to check out that defender body armor. 1 single composite plate of 10x12 was 600$ I know its lite on the chest but not kn the wallet. I got a full top notch gen 2 tes. With 4 plates...and mag plus sidearm holster which is just ok really for 140$ ish less then a single plate from these guys. If it wasn't so damn much it would be nice to give it a shot. Shit gets heavy.

[@seanbarnum7876]

I just ordered the Agilite K19 just about an hour before even seeing this video. Now on to finding me some really good plates...

[@Roydog187]

Just ordered one as well and looking for plates now. Have you ordered plates yet?

[@seanbarnum7876]

@@Roydog187 Not yet, but I am leaning in the direction of PE plates.

[@vicdiaz5180]

Everyone should have body armor on hand. If Shit hits the fan you can throw it on or hand it to a love one. Looking at the AR500 armor

[@CopperJacketTV]

Vic Diaz Agreed. Check out Premier Body Armor too

[@vicdiaz5180]

The Daily Shooter Definitely will man. Been looking at body armor ever since the Democrats wanted to restrict it from us over the summer.

[@vicdiaz5180]

jcllings I heard you could even give it to your kids so they can use it for a lunch tray at school

[@vicdiaz5180]

jcllings Tactical life jacket! Going fishing with one of those AR500s pretty soon!

[@vicdiaz5180]

jcllings 🤣🤣

[@RenaissanceThinking]

I've often wondered why there isn't a lip sticking out from the upper edges of steal armor to help protect from spalling. Thoughts?

[@robmillle]

Wm H you’re gonna be a millionaire, kid.

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@@robmillle lol, not w/o patents.

[@jh-lp7cg]

Just weld on some angle iron ;D

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@The1Americanpride1 I don't believe it would have to be that drastic of a lip as the angle to be able to protect the face and neck from "splatter" is pretty tight. If that makes sense.

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@Charles Yuditsky it would only need to be enough of a lip to shield the wearer's face from material spalling up.

[@rwebb2321]

Twenties years ago the British had a shirt 👕 to be worn under your outer shirt that would stop 9mm down for covert operations. More then likely it just minimized penetration. Knife attack is another issue.

[@bhamptonkc7]

Another reason for a trauma pad is small chunks can break off the back of the plate even from a stopped bullet.

[@dragunov815]

Cool.

[@ItsAGo86]

17:43 big fact, plus what you're carrying.

[@xclusivekid123]

I know it’s not recommended but would you possibly do a video with a level 3 plate that has minimal or no real buildup on it and try to use bed liner to build layers then possibly test it? Would be something interesting to watch.. Video was very informative and I wish i would’ve seen this specific video before I bought my setup.. I ended up going with an AR500ARMOR testudo lite bundle that comes with 2 level 3 curved steel plates.. Waiting for it to arrive.. But yea the video idea above would be one to watch if you decide to make it..

[@HK-qj4im]

I am gonna use a phone book. Very good video. I should have know all this 3 years ago.

[@anomilumiimulimona2924]

H K I WONT LEAVE THE CELL WITHOUT MY ARMOR, proceeds to strap phone books all over himself.

[@TacticalCowboy89]

The coating on AR500 is called polyurea. My dad specializes in that coating and he did a test with a 1” thick piece of coating to debunk that Polyurea is bulletproof. I have the videos on my channel 👍🏻

[@LeeDee779]

I don't see it?

[@TacticalCowboy89]

LeonRidge kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIqXp2aEd7l9gtE

[@BandAid350z]

Are you talking about the anti-spall lining? It’s not meant to be “bullet proof.”

[@AndyE30]

Spartan Armor Systems is stringent on their quality control. I bought plates that kept outgassing for weeks past production, I called them, they made a new set and exchanged them no questions asked. I couldn't wear the outgassing plates for more than 12 hours before it would bother me. Great service, even better products.

[@TacticalCowboy89]

BandAid350z That’s correct, but the rumor is out there that it is. I discovered that sprayed at 1” thick, it can be for small calibers.

[@SupergiantgeckosLLC]

Buying mine from vegas

[@thomaschase7097]

Just vacuum seal the ceramic and other plates. Can do the same to steel, however kind of pointless IMO, as long as it is not sitting in water or super high humidity.

[@Uwe040]

Thomas Chase With Polyethylen Plates heat is still going to be an issue...

[@thomaschase7097]

@@Uwe040 Understood that heat is always a challenge. However if vacuum sealed the lack of O2 will significantly slow the decay. Specifically if stored correctly. Heat and heavy use will always be major factors affecting the life or the product in the field.

[@johnevans9578]

Been trying to tell people about velocity . Have shot through five eighths steel plates with 7 mm mag 150 grn hunting round not even a problem

[@RenaissanceThinking]

So store in a low moisture environment? Good thing I dont sweat when I'm doing the things.

[@libertyor556]

Am I sensing Bear fam here?

[@RenaissanceThinking]

@@libertyor556 you might be...shalom friend.

[@paraglidingnut26]

Love my AR500 3+ plates, but my next set of armor will be much lighter weight, soft body armor.

[@TacticalBeard]

Soft body armor is only for handguns....

[@BandAid350z]

Soft armor won’t stop rifle caliber rounds. If you want lighter, but still maintain rifle caliber protection, it’s either ceramic or poly.

[@logandowning4373]

Just ordered from AR500👍🏼

[@alexduke5402]

Yeah I had my femur shattered and knee ripped up pretty good back in May of '17 and I can't support steel and load out

[@alexduke5402]

@Pavel Manzhetov sorry to hear that. I'm sure your journey wasn't easy. It will hold the weight until you get into mud, soft ground, big hills, or sand. You can't always expect ideal conditions. I'm Not being mean just being real I'm sure it's all things you've considered. I can still stay somewhat nimble with while being able to go longer having a lighter weight ceramic. I prefer steel for it's durability. It's just worth the extra price for me to have ceramic. I'd carry steel if I didn't have the leg injury. I have spent my whole life on a farm I'm not scared of hard work. But there's only so much my knee will allow me to do.

[@jwr778]

Federal law requires all manufacturers to put an expiration date

[@alwaysarmed88]

I also will have to say though they have done ceramic plate testing and ceramic shoots out and does shoot particles into you not saying it would if it was a vest on but just plain like that it shoots straight up and around just like a steel plate without build on would

[@andrewgood7586]

i ordered some lvl 4 rma plates a few weeks ago. waiting... waiting... aaaaand waiting. ha

[@Absoluteunit3027]

Did they ever arrive?

[@andrewgood7586]

PVT Curvey oh yes they did. took about 6 weeks or so i believe. very happy.

[@itsmeyall8362]

Could you put a plate in a vacuum seal bag and extend the life a little

[@eribertoacedo9505]

ItsMeYall83 You got a point there I thought about your question before answering moisture sweat deteriorates Kevlar after time I have Kevlar gloves sleeves and purchased extra large Kevlar sleeves for my legs don't want to get no cuts there. under all that I have longjohns not the tight weave but the loose Open weave ? try not to get water all over the deteriorates Kevlar but I have a lot of sleeves we're concerned about knife cuts versus getting shot I take care of that area too.🕶"