My ProCharger Sucks & ProCharger Lied About it!?

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My ProCharger on my 2016 Camaro SS caused me some issues this weekend and let me tell you about it.
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[@Lethalgarage]

ProCharger came back as not being the issue. The unit was deemed perfect. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXmQqn6dgKuif7M

[@sandrainterland7219]

ẞhut Shut the fuk up dude you talk too much

[@Lethalgarage]

Your just a ball of love aren’t you

[@Drupott68]

So wut was the problem? If the procharger is fine then I'm lost?

[@itshiho]

@@Drupott68 Lol he said Procharger lied. Lied about what? He never said. Must have been an install error 😂

[@danmanke1415]

Sorry to hear that, very frustrating! I hope Procharger comes through for you sooner than later. Keep us all posted!

[@camaronut1le843]

Sorry to hear about your Procharger issues. they're a great company, they will get it fixed and you will be racing around soon enoigh. Good luck!

[@4406bbldb]

my 1957 golden hawk came stock with a centrifugal(paxton) supercharger, glad to to see they are still around.

[@MattKremer39]

I would have had no idea what was going on if it weren't for those awesome sound effects

[@restonraisedhoustonsportbi2081]

I know this kinda stuff can feel like heart break. All my best bro! It'll be up and kicking ass again soon.

[@TopHatPlus]

Heart breaking! Looking forward to the good news!!

[@petenastyzl1145]

I also feel bad for you, have hope and faith, all will work out

[@kencam2426]

Sorry to hear that man. That is what warranties are for. You will be back on the road soon. Get better.

[@hirammartinez952]

So sorry to hear that you must be feeling down I do my trunk just got stolen with all my tools in it I am down to the ground but I guess I'll figure out a way to get out of this. Keep your head up👍🏼👍🏼up

[@unleavenedkaraiteplus3412]

Back like in 08 I installed a Procharger in my friend's Cherokee and not to long later it stated making a whining noise. I took it apart and found that the bearing race had pitted badly. It was never low in oil but anyway, we tried to purchase the bearing form Procharger but they wouldn't sell the parts separately. We were kind of forced in purchasing another unit if we wanted it and we did. We didn't do the exchange so I kept the old one. As a machinist I decided​ to make the bearing race out of better material but what I found is that the radius between the balls and the race were very different causing the balls to ride on point. (the material wasn't the best but not really the problem) This obviously killed the race (surprisingly the balls themselves remained perfect) and to see this bearing problem happening ten years later makes me wonder why Procharger haven't fixed the problem. It's like they expect it to go out, which explains why they won't sell you the parts. Built-in obsolescence? Sure looks that way!!! Needles to say, I made my own race matching the curve ratio of the balls and the rest is history, no more problems. It's been on my son's Comanche now 10 years and counting. Update: Procharger company said their unit had no problems. On the later video you explain that the slow start and intermittent charging could be a heat issue... but it still doesn't explain the noise or the shinny particles in the Procharger unit. Did they pay you off? or should we just blame the whole problem as being Supernatural? Ok, but it's too weird. P.D. Mama didn't raise here no fool!!!

[@gotss2go]

Sorry to hear about that I'm sure it will all work out

[@rezzo_6fn659]

The sound effects are awesome. Lmao.

[@karlmcgowen6969]

Fat Boy my procharger did that and I found that the belt was way too tight there is an adjustment on the belt tensioners

[@CamaroTime]

Nice video Matt. One of the joys of modding. Great big ole surprises. It is a love hate relationship. At least, it did not mess anything else. Or detonate all together. It's man made. So stuff happens My SS just went on the blink going into limp mode with reduced power. Less than 27k on the odometer and needed a new throttle body. Oh well

[@nibotkram7743]

Pro charger bad Matt good Lethal Camaro sad Go fast again soon You Tube Haiku

[@gege6665]

I always liked your videos man I hope procharger fixes the issue. Your car is badass.

[@adamgriffin]

Damn Matt, your video convinced me to go 2.9L Whipple kit instead of Procharger, wish you best of luck brother. Chin up :)

[@gabea.458]

I'm sure Cunningham is very capable and I don't want to give you more to worry you. But, I would have them take the compressor housing off and look at the compressor wheel. I'd want to make sure the shaft/bearing issue didn't cause an imbalance resulting in the wheel contacting the housing. This could make aluminum from the wheel go through the intake and into the engine. You would want to run one of those cylinder inspection cameras down the spark plug hole and look at the pistons/walls. Maybe drop the oil pan and intercooler, clean it out well.

[@mr.eastcoastgrow6132]

I was on the fence between Procharger and Magnuson until now. Magnuson it is.

[@roasted7]

Get well soon!

[@GearheadOutlaw]

Get well soon Lethal Camaro

[@stbgn]

Aww sry to hear that man.

[@slothin21]

Well at least your not completely out of a car. I'm sure they will take care of you. I had to look up their warranty and I am shocked that they are only offering a standard 1 year warranty with an optional 3 year.

[@thomashalikas4812]

i guess the only thing good about the Z L 1 is that if you blow the supercharger , you bring it back to the chevy dealer and have them replace it under waranty

[@s0uthsideslide509]

that sucks, Matt. couldn't have happened on a busier week too! like you said, that's why we have warranties

[@stephenmitchell3569]

Good video and great attitude, notice you didn't bring everyone down at the car video!! Funny KZbin must watch your video everytime you show video they slap an ad! Cutting the belt video intro was a flu med. ad...pretty funny. Hope you and your car getting feeling better soon. Prayers for your family! From Georgia and old hotrodder w/40 yrs old chevy...old school like me😇👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 just grin and keep it between the ditches! Yes I sub your channel!👍🏻

[@slvrvert620]

What all do I need to Procharge my FBO E85 Camaro ss? (Minus intake manifold) what all do I need to replace and get to make sure she runs okay with no issues

[@peter__p_a_n2563]

That's a bummer man, hopefully it all works out with the RMA

[@mjc3502]

I knew a guy that removed his procharger for a Maggie 2650 and he is way happier.

[@519streets4]

that procharger must have been made on a Friday. good Video!

[@bigdoo350]

519 Streets or a Monday

[@519streets4]

True Mondays are never Fun! haha

[@Lethalgarage]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXmQqn6dgKuif7M

[@thesteeners]

Hey I'm thinking of buying a procharged lt1 car, they don't even know what's done to the car besides the s/c. Im having them sending idle clips of the engine and the exhaust. To see if I can hear a cam since it's out of town for me. Is there like a certain "title" that someone has I can pay to go look at for me? Like check the engine to see if it's healthy? Compression test or something, vacuum leaks? I just don't want to buy a car that is going to blow, it has under 20 k miles on it and Id like your opinion or advice to make sure I don't get screwed.

[@408DJGUERO]

So I noticed they have a 50-state carb legal ProCharger 🤔 what can you tell me about? it is a different? I have the 2017 50th Anniversary convertible, I'm thinking of starting out with the ProCharger but I'm in the Bay Area California and you know how it is here! 😅

[@magsteve]

So what did they say was wrong with your PC unit? My SRT 8 wants to know.

[@vt2704]

Wow that sucks but still not that bad considering no internal damage

[@hama_sardar370]

Hope it gets fixed in no time ,, all bas thing will come to an end

[@RitzDaCat]

Let us know how they treat you in a follow-up video. Several of us on Camaro6 are currently saving up and are considering a pro charger. If they don't have good customer support I want nothing to do with them.

[@generalco2554]

If the SC was seized I could understand why your starter would be struggling to start the car, but it sounds like after you cut the SC belt off you could easily turn it by hand and the car started no problem? Makes no sense.??

[@adde8261]

Hello! I feel with you man! What has happened with the pro charger? Did they check it out yet? I'm curious 😃 /Adde (from Sweden)

[@Lethalgarage]

Update coming. But PC has been good and it is fixed.

[@charlesmaus1777]

I would be willing to bet it's a bad bearing. Sounds just like some of the old alternators I've had over the years.

[@bwboley87]

What was the outcome?

[@msawyer110]

why i bought a ZL1

[@PESBROSGAMING]

😔 not good hope everything has a great turn around bro

[@Lethalgarage]

As an update. PC got the unit did a ton of testing and have shipped it back to CMS. Unit will be back in SoCal on 6/26.

[@Lethalgarage]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXmQqn6dgKuif7M

[@rayjax_2020]

Damn I feel bad for u Matt.

[@ps3862]

Sorry to hear that man. Isn't it better buy zl1 than supercharge a ss? Just cause of warranty/reliability.

[@Lethalgarage]

I got my car 1.8 years before the ZL1 came out. Besides I would upgrade it and void the warranty anyways.

[@rondaniellec]

Matt,it sounds like the gears in the head unit.

[@bransonlariscy4660]

Bro those cars have a smart charging system. Sometimes it charges the battery and sometimes it does not. This would explain the voltage meter jumping all over. My 2017 has done this before where it start kind of slow randomly but it always starts. And after it runs a few mins you can shut it off and it will start just fine. I just think the "smart charger isn't always so smart lol

[@JamieWorkout]

I’d be worried it might fuck up the ENGINE after a while of putting your foot down on it months down the line...🤔

[@sknight20102]

Wats better the procharger or the whipple

[@calvin2701]

Does that car have coolant?

[@AhmedIqbalIK_BAHL]

brother where is your pink coolent??

[@Len_Craves_Camaro]

:( I was thinking about going with the P1. now I'm going to look into the D1. although you did mention these things just tend to happen.

[@Len_Craves_Camaro]

Rovelli_302 idk what to do from here :/. what's your recommendation?

[@STILLNIGHTPEARL]

Len Whitfield go with a vortech, vortech makes some reliable blowers.

[@BlackWhiteBeast]

Len Whitfield My recommendation is to not supercharge your car. You will have a lot of headaches down the road after supercharging this car. I recommend an all motor build. If the LT1 is not fast enough for you with the stock cubic inches, ported heads, and a custom spec'd cam, I recommend installing a stroked LT1 bottom end. Preferably a 416 stroker. Naturally aspirated is the way to go with this car for long term reliability and being fast. Big motor+ported heads and cam=monster with longevity.

[@petethehawk5186]

BlackWhiteBeast yea I sorta agree with that. When he put this in I kind of thought to myself "yea I see issues with this sooner or later". Mines got more than enough power for me so I'm sticking with light mods only. I owe way too much on this thing to risk major blow ups or voiding a warranty lol. Good luck Matt.

[@chewylimited7343]

Seems odd I've had my Procharger on my 2010 Camaro SS since pretty much new, no problems lots of power!

[@lolyouwontfindme6070]

Have u had any issues since making this comment? (See I have an ls swapped 67 Camaro, that I’m thinking of pro charging (but the issue is I have stock internals... so tbh I only wanted to run maybe 5 pounds of boost? Maybe? Anyways so yea do u have any issues with ur car? Is it running good? Etc.)

[@chewylimited7343]

Nope still no problems with a Procharger on my Camaro

[@lolyouwontfindme6070]

Silvershark did u change anything when u first put on the pro charger? Any different injectors? Fuel pumps, etc.? See cause like I said I’m running stock (on my engine at least, I do have a cold air intake, after market exhaust, etc.) so yea I don’t wanna blow up my engine after JUST finishing the LS Swap so yea do u think I should be good with stock internals on about maybe 5 pounds of boost?

[@dirtydave82]

I feel your pain. I had a centrifugal supercharger on a s10. The bearings went out going down the road. It shot the fins out of the supercharger into my intake and locked my motor up. I guess I should of got a kit with a front mount cooler. Than it wouldn't of hurt or made it to my motor. So be glad you caught it early and have a front mount. Sorry that it happened though. After my problems I have went twin screw and haven't had any more problems yet.

[@AndyGarcia-ch1ci]

Dude at 9:03 looks like there's no coolant in the reservoir!

[@ccoouuggaarr1967]

Issues like this suck. My 2016 SS with a Magnuson Supercharger is being towed on a flat bed back to Magnuson because a couple went out 4 weeks after the install. Magnuson is personally taking care of it and paying for the the 200 mile tow each direction. Sucks having these issues but it comes with the territory of modifying. Hope your car is fixed soon.

[@dirtydave82]

Was it due to bad bearings? Did you have a smaller pulley on the unit? Just curious because I am running a Magnuson TVS2300 on my Silverado with no problems for about 8 months. I am sure that I am in the clear for those kinda of problems.

[@ccoouuggaarr1967]

AllTheWay Dave, the kit is the way it come from Magnuson without any mods. They think it is a new style coupler they just introduced.

[@dirtydave82]

That's when things always seem to happen. When companies change things to make it better lol. Also almost every company out there has problems. This is why they all have warranties. I am glad to hear they are taking care of you and the tow bill. Makes me feel better about my purchase than. Can't be happier with their system so far.

[@ccoouuggaarr1967]

AllTheWay Dave, yeah I love the system. They are standing behind their product which makes me feel better.

[@gabea.458]

Sucks man. You doing a video on the whole thing?

[@REDZ28won]

Radiator Heat gauge. LOL Also, you might want to check your coolant level.

[@herblopez71]

Damn bro 😔

[@Pitchpullin5]

So why did you cut the belt off instead of just loosening the tension and removing it?

[@Lethalgarage]

+Ray E didn't have the tools to loosen it

[@coreyblacksher]

well it's time to upgrade to head unit now D1 baby

[@CrazyGreek80]

That's cool you live in San Diego I live in Irvine!!

[@Lethalgarage]

I am in Temecula

[@super6charger501]

Don't fret bro it'll work out. That is still one bad a__ Camaro. Feel better.

[@codypierce4766]

But my brothers ss does the same exact same thing after driving all day and its not supercharged

[@WindingMaster]

Time for a Twin Screw!!!

[@keithmabe6015]

sorry to see that......

[@crisaraujo603]

Do you recommend to pro charge a 4.8 GMC Sierra ?

[@Lethalgarage]

I 100% recommend a ProCharger

[@HMG5588]

My "guess" is that the gear meshing in the supercharger was too tight creating a lot of resistance to turning the entire engine with the electric starter motor when you were starting the engine. I would get a new supercharger and have the shop run it on a stand with a belt connected to another engine or electric motor to make sure that the internal gear meshing of the air spools is OK. Your original supercharger is most likely thrashed if the air spools were grinding against each other. There might have been a lot of metallic shards in the supercharger that could have flowed into your engine with the compressed air causing damage to your valve seals and cylinder walls. I hope that's not the case. But best to test a new super charger first before installing it on your engine.

[@RealLifeEddy2K]

So you paid for a brand new motor and install then sold the car, what was the point of that? BRAND NEW MOTOR, should of enjoyed it.

[@Drew-lu2jw]

Wow that really sucks man. I'm sorry that happen to you. You are the pioneer in the new 6 gen camaro's. You give us ( 6 gen camaro owners/ enthusiast) hope on what the camaro can do and be. Hope you all is well with your car. Keep up the videos.

[@bigj5337]

I don't know if I missed the update but I was wondering how things are with the pro charger!?

[@SouthCarolinaMike]

As much as that sucks, thank you for posting this. I've watched all your videos and it's cool to see your build as I plan mine. As I was seeing a procharger in my future, I'm very curious to see what PC does and says. Hope the LethalCamaro is back on the road soon, and good to see CMS standing up on this for you.

[@bigc2092]

Does Cunningham motor sports only do camaros or do they do all cars ?

[@Lethalgarage]

+Big da Kine they do most cars.

[@bigc2092]

LethalGarage I have a chrysler 300 and was considering fast hemis there in socal but Cunningham looks like a better place

[@kencam2426]

You will be back on the Boost road soon. Look at it this way I would rather have a blown supercharger then a blown motor. :-)

[@onewheelup]

i think youve been drinking too much lethal coffee when you made this lethal video about your letahl pro charger,good lord,i had to stop watching it.

[@JCunningham21]

time to clean that air filter

[@alexanabolic5099]

You are at a cross road. After this is fix, you will see how you feel. You may be back to normal unaffected and I hope and wish this is what is going to happen. but you may also start having feeling like not trusting your car or never being sure if you should floor it, things like that. If this happen, think carefully about all of this. You will find if your are built to live the tuning life. If not, sell the car and buy a ZL1. There is nothing wrong, but you must be happy at the end.

[@donniebaynard8430]

Should've bent your hat bill. Pro charger had to fight the flat bill on your hat. Maybe you should get a squatted truck.

[@spunkky100]

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr airrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice Guage sounds

[@mindgamestrivia]

The face on you wants to make me cry...

[@ashkanlion23]

Hope everything works out man! Your car will be back and running in no time

[@thomashalikas4812]

the bite in the ass is that you haven't even been beating on it and it hasn't even been that long since you had the procharger installed by cunningham

[@Naikerru]

Fellow camaro owners, my gen 5 recently got it's check engine lit up after I had someone in a.... walmart parking lot hand wash my car... I KNOW, but he did a good job before.

[@2bros2bros73]

he probably shot water down your exaust pipes

[@Drupott68]

If he washed under ur hood in the engine area he might have disconnected a small hose or sensor. But if he didnt go under ur hood inside ur engine area to clean then idk bro...

[@RevMatch92]

Hopefully everything gets fixed, and im glad you're atleast having a good experience with CHMS i've heard some iffy things so hopefully it all looks up

[@tanto2farwest]

rev match what kind of iffy things have you heard? just curious before i let them have my business.

[@RevMatch92]

just questionable tuning and business practices the usual when it comes to complaints but I heard it from a few people I trust and maybe it was a fluke or a string of bad luck. Hopefully they treat everyone like they treat lethal and not because of his 20k subs. Again all hear say they seem to be fine to lethal.

[@tanto2farwest]

Yeah I haven't heard much about them until lethal started blasting them. These are the reasons people get the car supercharged from the dealer. Warranties matter. Watching people blow their warranties for hp they will never or hardly use seems completely pointless.

[@RevMatch92]

yes and no, lol if you look at my channel I've done the same thing as lethal just different setup. alll of his stuff is still probably under warranty and most of mine is too plus if something did go wrong it's always the dealership has to prove it was the mod that did it.

[@OnlinecarshowNet1]

😢

[@hannanssq]

That's why i don't like pro chargers. ECS is a lot better unit. And if you want to go root style Eldebrock is such a better engineered car. I personally have seen way too many prochargers go bad over time.

[@marcusd6096]

lol I like how u got the lil sad music playing while your talking, so I scrolled down to read the comments and as I thought, there were comments with sad faces in them. Too funny. It's o.k. to be sad about the pro charger, no need to say it's a cold...jk get well.

[@Michaeldickinson02]

Oouch bro.. i feel your pain, hope to see a new unit.. maybe procharger will send you a d1x for the trouble💪

[@benjaminbelmontes6614]

Hey man I own a 2015 camaro rs it's my first car. What can I add on to the camaro so that I can have more hp

[@jordanwoods69]

so that's how a pro charged v8 sounds

[@PERZN4LIFE]

Should have gone with a whipple!!!! Most reliable force induction ;)

[@raford250]

Gurin Akuma I've seen more Whipple come from the factory with issues than anything right now. I know three people with our 6 gen Camaro Whipple kit and two of them have had issues. Brad's happened on his first run. Joes was in the shop for weeks before he could drive it because of leaks. None of them are bullet proof. Whipple, Pro Charger, Maggie, and Vortex all have had early issues. It's unfortunate, but it does happen.

[@PERZN4LIFE]

Ryan yeah I understand. I think I made that comment too early, what I meant is that on the ls from what I've read the whipple was the most reliable. On the new camaros perhaps not.

[@raford250]

Gurin Akuma I've been a Whipple fan as well, the kit for these cars hasn't been that good though. I'm glad I didn't wait it out and went with pro charger. No issues with mine thus far.

[@PERZN4LIFE]

Ryan glad to hear that it! I'm sure it's really fast too

[@raford250]

It's all relative. What's fast to me may be nothing to the next guy. It is one of the faster builds I have done. 667hp to the rear wheels though.

[@MainStreetCustoms33513]

They should've sent you one immediately you have given a lot of advertisement for them

[@ThisGuyDrives]

They are not sponsoring him and it wasn't under warranty. They don't have to do anything.

[@gunsmokezz]

So if CMS does not find a issue and Pro charger says, its the best unit they have ever made lol. Guess, Whipple is next :)

[@Lethalgarage]

+gunsmokezz ummm. I can't afford another Super Charger.

[@camaro2sswhiteghost992]

All the haters, at ease. The positive thing is that you caught it quick and you are safe and went home to your family. Next Cunningham Motor Sports has outstanding customer service based on your experience and from what I read. Next if I lived in California I would absolutely use them. The next thing you actually hit on the head and that is anything that man makes Is subject to malfunction. You know it's funny how many people are in your corner, "nice car lethal, totally cool Matt, awesome car, kick _ss car, I can't wait to procharge mine, etc.," until this happens and then you get the peanut gallery. Continue what you are doing as I have learned a great deal from you and your videos. Your trial, error, and success has benefited many. Cunningham and procharger will do what's right I'm sure. I believe Customer service is not usually measured when things go right as that's what we expect. Customer service is measured when things go wrong and how you recover. No one cares when your flights ontime, it's when its delayed, or cancelled and they make it right. That my friends is customer service! Thanks again Lethal!! WG

[@xzayvierroberts9003]

hope it's back and better. praying for ya!

[@thomashalikas4812]

all the money you spent , they should replace it with a brand new procharger unit

[@littlebrother6770]

Man that's some bad luck

[@mikerossi5448]

You need lots of money when you run superchargers , turbos nitrous ect it happens just sell more stickers you'll be alright 👍🏽

[@Lethalgarage]

Sticker funds go to my son... need to get more YT views :)

[@bluedog600]

Im sorry bro. These toys r expensive. I was thinking of going to see Hennessy to get their warranty. I hope it works out for u matt. At least the car still runs. They will fix your issue

[@Dontreadit]

BlueDog 600 Lol, stay away from Hennessey

[@j0hnnybee98]

Bro, My first thought in reviewing your video was a spun bearing, but what do I know, I'm a guitar playing BBQ Pitmaster. Laugh or cry ?...I always opt for human humor. Perspective, be thankful, kiss your bride, hug the kids, get some rest, drink plenty of fluids. I feel your pain.

[@jfmjr1970]

Matt you need coolant! I hope you get things sorted out love the car

[@Lethalgarage]

Car has plenty of coolant.

[@Toxik_Hellcat]

erik Andre rasin,works for pro charger he's on Facebook