How to Choose Between Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro vs Garmin R10 vs VoiceCaddie SC4

[@H484R]

Heyyyy perfect video, I was literally KZbin searching “r10 vs SC4 vs MLM2” hoping to find something decent 🤣

[@LetsPlayThru]

ah nice, hopefully it's helpful in the decision. good luck!

[@H484R]

@@LetsPlayThru sure hope so! Was trying to find a monitor to put in my basement with 9’ ceilings until I punched my 7 iron through the sheet rock doing a practice swing last night to see if I even had clearance so definitely gonna be looking for an outdoor unit now 🤣

[@kellysmith2303]

I love my Garmin R10, but only because of Awesome Golf!! Works great with or without RCT balls. Love downloading the data and pouring through it.and the Coaching & gapping modes on Awesome golf are special! Thanks for the reviews.

[@tview07golf]

Wow! This was an incredible breakdown and straight to the point. Not only does this video have great information on all 3 units he also provides discounts!!! Incredible. Thanks you!

[@papab3272]

Great video Gabe! I have the SC4 for strictly outdoor range use and love it. The one thing I'd add is that the other two units have more time on the market to work the bugs out. The SC4 has improved dramatically with only a couple firmware updates so I have to believe it'll only get even better with some more time.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Yes 💯 agree, great point

[@dickman1981]

💯! I've had the r10 and just picked up the mlm2. I knew the salesman's boss so he gave me the lowdown/warning prior to purchasing. 2/3 have had out of the box failures and rapsodo only has a 90 day warranty!

[@cppxj]

And there was a update to the SC4 mid 2024 that seemed to help a lot.

[@michaelgiammarino7313]

Still not sure which one to get😂

[@fairwayfreunde]

I got a Garmin R10 working with TGC 2019 and I‘m pretty happy with it. Without TGC2019 I‘m not so sure about the R10.

[@michaelgiammarino7313]

@@fairwayfreunde was the side spin accurate?

[@fairwayfreunde]

@@michaelgiammarino7313 accurate enough for having my typical ball flight while playing TGC2019 indoors

[@JayJay-jx3zg]

Space is another category. The MLM2Pro needs the least room indoors to operate vs the R10. But not sure any the Sc4. The mlm also is the only one that's radar and camera based for the most accurate numbers. When you go to the range and don't have the specialized balls, you still get dispersion, which I'm told calculates the spin in the background. The other 2 just calculate full time since they don't have cameras.

[@jasonouellette6179]

Same here, wish the R10 had the shot tracer, then it would be a lot easier considering all the extra club data you get with it. Having said that, the slow motion replay on the club head at impact with the MLM2 pro is a really cool feature.

[@alexmills1329]

This actually really nailed it down for me, I saw a few of you videos lately and this was so well done I had to subscribe

[@LetsPlayThru]

Much appreciated 🙌

[@johnnyhershberger6294]

Great video! I have the R10. Had it since it first launched. Love the e6 courses and driving ranges you get with it. Takes a little tweaking but once you get it dialed in it’s awesome!

[@bjbrunetti]

I’d like to tweak E6 driving range. Awesome Golf was much better but trial ended.

[@kkim5511]

Perfect shopping guide. I used all 3 launch monitors and, 100% agree to you

[@JayJay-jx3zg]

I'd prefer the ability to see spin and distance accurately. Being that the other 2 calculate spin all the time, I went with the MLM2Pro. It's camera and radar based. Speaking of cameras, it's the only one that gives you up to 3 camera views of your swing.

[@davidcole2337]

Suggestion for you. You should do a 2024 Update on this but with emphasis on Simulator Courses and what additional Hardware is required.. Like Dedicated Laptop or iPad or Android Device..

[@capnhook33_]

Gabe over here doing the lord's work with a flowchart 😂

[@SaintSimonsSuperSoakers]

Great Video! I knew you and your brothers as a kid in Maryland! My daughter is on the high school golf team as a freshman and I think this could help take her game to the next level.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Hey Charles, yes my cousins Matt and Simon I believe. Good luck to your daughter!

[@davidcole2337]

Nice Breakdown. Really thinking about getting that MLM2 Pro.

[@thegolflife7565]

Can’t wait for a Garmin R12

[@richardlawrence5415]

Just pointing out that R10 also comes with 5 free for life E6 courses + multiple ranges and short game areas. Plus free Garmin range for quick practice. 4:14 Absolutely no need to pay another cent/penny once the unit is bought

[@dickman1981]

(Not for Android)

[@bjbrunetti]

Driving range experiences much better on awesome golf tho

[@baseballfan9848]

Gabe, makes sense to me. Maybe not what my heart wants to hear, however, the logic you have displayed is undeniable. You continue to bring content that I enjoy. Thank you. Just curious, as to the dimension of the room you use. How much room height, width, and depth is your set up. Not trying to copy for content creation. Just looking to see how much space would be needed to be comfortable.

[@125phr]

Wow Gabe “ paralysis by analysis paradox “ I like that !! Had the r10 for quite a while …loved it . Moving forwards soon I think,eyeing up the Protee overhead units ,hope they are well received when they come to market . Keep the helpful content coming ⛳️🍻

[@allahalibaba9063]

Great break down Gabe...I think the MLM2 Pro would work best for me indoors and outdoors, don't really need spin out doors just carry, club head speed, smash factor and direction...Thanks..

[@glennwatson3313]

I just saved up the money and I want one of these. I don't want a subscription. I don't want to need special balls. I don't care about multiple courses, one course is good enough. The Voice Caddy seems the best choice for me.

[@cppxj]

Same here, my use is outdoors only.

[@BJK13]

I'm planning a setup for the midwest winter. This channel is helping so much. Thank you.!!!

[@mikeschaller6118]

Great video. Appreciate the fact based approach. I just subscribed.

[@jimhowell4282]

Gabe, Thank You. I bought the R10 because of your detailed review. i have not used it for some time now. The question I have, that will make me use it again is this. Have they fixed the waggle part? I hate changing my routine and waiting for the light to turn green to swing???

[@YoungMoneyInvestments]

A “most accurate” rating would have been nice. Most people will sacrifice things here and there for the launch monitor that provides the highest quality data.

[@chrissnyder7968]

Agreed, bells and whistles are good but accuracy tops all for me.

[@kghouse24]

This is super helpful. What a great idea for the format. Thank you!

[@jeromebegany1634]

I loved your charting, I do have one question. Am I going to still get calculated club data without the special balls? And club face data includes the what I call the attack angle, correct?

[@12saintp]

Thank you for the detail. Really gives me a better idea!

[@chrisvalentino2307]

Great video! This is my current struggle. I am actually leaning towards the optishot version of the SC4. Comes with 20 courses and practice area too. No subscription is needed to start out with it.

[@kyleleskiw5644]

Mlm2pro hands down. 5 free courses with E6 and the distances/direction are bang on. Assuming your going indoors

[@Seektruth-59]

Looks like I have to wait for the next iterations of these.

[@sipparadoxtv5329]

Why

[@Seektruth-59]

@@sipparadoxtv5329 they’ve been out a while and buying one now when a new release could be coming sooner than later.

[@mikeygarcia7065]

Would really like to use one of these out on the course. I like the Rapsodo because of the shot tracer

[@radiobb5330]

Awesome! Love the logical approach.

[@russkent321]

What about a 4t option for use. In my backyard, hitting into a net?

[@davidjaxonmusic]

That’s the only part I care about. What’s the best option for backyard use hitting into a net? Starting to think it’s not an option since no one ever covers that topic.

[@avaris1280]

I just want to clarify the r10 is calculating the club face/path data meaning it’s guessing what it was based on other data that it did actually read? Is that my understanding?

[@dangagliardi1093]

Fantastic video! I've been hoping someone would do something like this. Would be great to extend this tree to include if you cancel the membership. Also, if you have this written down somewhere, I would be thankful :) I can easily re-create it from the video above but you may already have it as a PDF or image. Thanks again for the great work

[@wernerheenop]

Great video. Which of these 3 can run TGC 2019?

[@Aaron-xm9qk]

Would the r10 or the SC4 detect foam balls outside like the "almost golf ball". I know distances will be out of wack but want to teach my kids to play and I'm limited where it can be outside.

[@ZJProductionHK]

I have decided to go with R10

[@MannyJ1325]

I don’t have an indoor setup but was going to setup outdoors with a net. Which launch monitor would be best for an outdoor net setup?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Just treat the outdoor net setup the same as the indoor and those would be the results

[@omniscient420]

Would you say that someone who is building a back yard cage setup with a possibility of moving indoors, would benefit best from the mlm. I have no problem buying a dozen RPT balls either.

[@PlanetStabilo]

Hello, thank you for a great video. If I was to purchase the R10, as this is my budget, would it work using poor quality golf balls as the balls at the local driving range are not very good? Or is it then only for home use where I can use the special balls. Thank you.

[@LetsPlayThru]

R10 works great outdoors with any ball

[@PlanetStabilo]

Just so I fully understand. When indoors using RCT balls, you would get good reliable data. My understanding is that the device has no normalization of the golf balls, so I assume that the data from use outdoors on the driving range with range balls, would give inaccurate data? I’m trying to understand if the device is more for use into a net with good golf balls, or if I can actually use it at the range?

[@caseycook738]

This is great. Would love this for mid range units, like Uneekor Eye Mini, Mevo+, BLP, new Golfzon.

[@edward8009]

Question: I will only be using it indoor but I have a Net Return net and have noticed it just destroys the balls. I assume it will also do that with the callaway balls ? Seeing the direction of the ball is what’s import to me.

[@tomipesonen5622]

Minor detail, R10 does have audio output of a measure you select

[@lbenigno]

It does have audio on driving range for select measurement

[@Giovanni-zc1lv]

You have done it again! 😂 Outstanding!

[@seanbuoye651]

Great summary. Thank you. Any thoughts on Orbit/ SC4 combo?

[@KMKM2002]

When hitting into the net, Is the launch directon alone pointless without path and clubface measures? As in it could launch straight but hook ferociously?

[@matthewwhite2955]

do you have to use a special ball for the rapsodo if you dont care about spin and youre just looking for carry? I just want to play at home with my buddies

[@scotthucks7966]

Was hoping you would give us your opinion as to which is better.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Well, that’s the thing. There is no strictly “better”. There is “better for particular use cases.”

[@michaellemaire7827]

@Let’splaythru Did Voice Caddy ever fix their ball spin related issues as you pointed out on your earlier video???

[@fob808]

Does this decision tree change for outdoor with the recent update for MLM?

[@AdamKlawonn]

Subscriber here! What’s the best monitor that has shot arc tracing under $1K? Is it the R10? I like the used price point of a Rapsodo MLM but can’t tell if it has shot visualization in the app. I also looked at the SC300i but also can’t tell if it has shot tracing visualization and have concerns about Swing Caddie app’s 2-star rating.

[@johnathanpoints3126]

Might but the r10 for outdoors ive seen you need the rct balls for enhanced performance inside is that the same for outside or can i just use regular golf balls

[@LetsPlayThru]

outside the numbers have always been fairly accurate, no RCT balls needed

[@johnathanpoints3126]

@@LetsPlayThru okay thanks

[@rolandolopez8637]

Which one would you recommend for an outside backyard set up? The garmin or rapsodo?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Save some money and get better features with the Garmin

[@ph5541]

Hello. One of my biggest concerns with some of these launch monitors is whether or not they track both the ball and the club. Some of the cheaper ones, from what I understand, only track the club. So it has no idea if you topped it, fatted it, hit it off the heel or the toe, etc. Will all of these give you "reasonably" accurate feedback if you shank or badly slice one when hitting into a net? For me, I tend to very badly slice the ball (like 80+ yards) from time to time, but the strike feels good, so I'd like a monitor that will show those bad shots when hitting into a net. Thanks!!!!

[@petegalindez9961]

Great stuff Gabe! Leaning towards SC4…I had the R10 and found the data, especially the face data, not very accurate…that said, can you Bluetooth the audio on the SC4 to hear through EarPods? I tested the SC400 a while back and don’t believe you were able to do that…can you confirm?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Not to my knowledge, no. It just plays out of the speaker on the unit.

[@Baldy1500]

Regarding MLM, does indoor also equate to outdoor hitting into net?

[@yaronkaplan]

How do you screen share🎉 the MLM2 Pro screen sharing to an Apple TV . I tried it but don’t I have to be on the same WiFi for both?

[@padyakerongbula]

Gabe does the sc4 measure swing speed without hitting a ball? For swing speed training

[@stephencooney6509]

I liked your decision tree, however when I took the survey at Playbetter and put my price point at $700 or less the cheapest launch monitor they suggested was $2000, huh??

[@zachariah7304]

I would say, you don't need the special balls for R10, the aluminum tape square does just as well....... this could factor in for people as well. I just use that and one roll of tape for $7 will last a lifetime.

[@MrBigleo25]

What if ur hitting into a net outside with the MLM2?

[@johnnyo3478]

The Justapotamus dots make any ball usable with the MLM2Pro. They are way more durable than you would think.

[@christiankim7622]

Both the mlm2pro and r10 can use normal plain balls just fine. Why were those eliminated vs the sc4?

[@dickman1981]

Because then that would change a lot based on overall accuracy. The r10 has to calculate some numbers with normal balls (FYI: the #'s that are will show italicized).

[@shakogear]

I got R10 first. But sometime it’s not accurate when environment condition wasn’t good. So I bought a MLM2 pro. MLM2 pro is very bad experience to me. Compare to R10, it is not much accurate. And cost higher, the worst interface I ever used before. So I go back to r10. Indoor I use RCT ball. It’s totally fine for r10. And also it’s easy to go for range course. Much more convenient than MLM2. Trust me.

[@Power5]

Deactivating features if no subscription is paid should be illegal. What does the subscription do to the unit sitting on my floor to make it work better? The firmware is already in the unit. The cameras and radar are in the unit.

[@redmosq4197]

So the only way to get club face data with the Rapsodo is the picture?

[@stephencooney6509]

Gabe, I settled on the Garmin but for the life of me I cannot get accurate distance numbers whether in Home Team Hero or E6. Any advice?

[@LetsPlayThru]

Make sure to have a look at this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoGtp3aCoNlnqrcsi=T9C3erKf02bNbrrH

[@TroyTakagishi-ox5er]

Do you need to pay for the Garman subscription to use awesome golf on the R10?

[@LetsPlayThru]

No it’s not necessary

[@bougie_kenny]

Hey Gabe, great video. Any connection issues with the MLM2Pro during your testing? That seems to be the prevailing issue with that device. Thanks! Also, looks like you can connect to GSPro using your MLM2Pro now. Could be a game changer.. Thanks again!

[@LetsPlayThru]

Not to the degree others had, but it was not super smooth. This was a long time ago of course and supposedly they have fixed it.

[@chrismccannIRL]

So… which one am I buying ?

[@shakeyfly]

How is the accuracy on the SC4?

[@fritzcampbell9400]

At the range using range balls are u saying that the R10/SC4 are more accurate than the MLP2PRO??

[@starks1974]

One key data point that may have been missed. Additional hardware needed? Do you need to buy a computer, iPad, etc for these to work.

[@LetsPlayThru]

None of these need special equipment. They can all run off your phone.

[@starks1974]

@@LetsPlayThru NICE!!! I'm going to show your video to my wife to prove this is more affordable than getting a Club membership.

[@LetsPlayThru]

Good luck 🤞

[@Cornish_Maid]

I’d rather have a simulator that didn’t provide spin outdoors if what was being provided was incorrect, ie garmin r10, as an example. That unit for me was terrible, and I tried 2 different ones with the same issue

[@malarkeywithmatt2396]

So an issue I’ve found is my area available is only 14 feet 7 inches long and 15 is required, I can’t find information on how much that’ll effect it.

[@LetsPlayThru]

The Rapsodo and SC4 will both fit in a room that size. The R10 will technically, but I’d recommend 16’ if possible for that one.

[@jonmwin]

Hi. Love the videos. Could you help please I only have 13ft of space . 8ft to the net and 5ft behind. and wanted to know what would be the best one ? Ideally under 1000 and no subscription. Thanks and please help.

[@LetsPlayThru]

SC4 is the only one that would fit the space required

[@jonmwin]

@@LetsPlayThru thanks

[@sparkwebdesign]

Quiz recommended skytrak and mevo. None from the video. 😂 Interesting that you included the price of the subscription in ownership price - but not balls. Are RTC and RPT balls equally expensive? (And hard to find).

[@sk8theboardfilms]

If you had to choose one that’s only use would be getting true carry distances in course what would you choose ? @letsplaythru

[@golferdan906]

I guess I'm a bit of a gadget guy because I have all 3 (in addition to an SC3). I generally use the SC4 most of the time since it has the built in screen so I don't have to set up my ipad or phone, etc.

[@LetsPlayThru]

That’s dedication my friend! Agree it’s a very easy setup with that SC4.

[@tuanoful]

But doesn't the VoiceCaddie SC4 have club and face path?

[@Jason-db9ci]

i want the sc4, thanks for the diagram

[@nater2024]

mlm2pro premium is now $99 per year???

[@craigdbrauer730]

Can any device give club head speed not hitting balls why I’m trying to increase club head speed I can hear the whoosh but would like to get a number thanks

[@EzRat23]

Can you diy the special balls?

[@robertlong5072]

I did the test on play better and it gave me the same results no matter what answers I put in

[@Giovanni-zc1lv]

I waited 3.5 years for the S70 ....I hope ...Garmin checks the boxes for the R12 ...when ever that is released. I like the SC4 for the display and remote ....are you reading this Garmin?

[@Skye_the_toller]

Thé clear picture seems to be… spend more money than those proposals 😤as I want all features!

[@Kazlin143]

I thought the sc4 has club face data also ?

[@LetsPlayThru]

It does show some graphs but they are basic and don’t address club path

[@kevinbergeron8798]

Do you think they could add that with a firmware update?

[@mrsura16]

@@kevinbergeron8798 I would like to know the same. I understand SC has made good progress with firmware updates so far but curious how much more they can improve with the current model/ tech in the SC4 unit.

[@Dillion203]

Wish I could trade my R10 for the SC4

[@euller35]

Purchased the SC4 based on this video, but when I connected to E6 it only says it's a 14 day trial, is there a process needed to get the lifetime free driving range and 1 course you mentioned?

[@LetsPlayThru]

I would contact VoiceCaddie on that

[@DaveFogel]

I doubt the spin numbers outside are better or even accurate on any of those units outdoors. On top of that, hitting crap driving range balls doesnt give you near the spin you get with a premium ball.

[@harold4506]

The rapsodo subscription is a joke. You might as well buy a mevo plus. Conclusion: Avoid being ripped off.

[@vneeddifferent1455]

Get awesome golf

[@vneeddifferent1455]

It is 350 lifetime

[@ZJProductionHK]

great video, however, u might be too busy answering the questions from your fans

[@billbridwell7585]

I kept retaking the quiz answering differently and it always gave me the same three monitors.... Sounds like the quiz is just pushing the preference of launch monitor... Did give me things to think about but no real help from the play better survey on launch monitor to acutally buy... Don't waste your time on the link...

[@LetsPlayThru]

Hi Bill, Definitely not trying to push any particular models. We want to give fair and honest advice for what is best for each person. Could you send me an email with the options you tried so we can adjust the quiz accordingly?

[@jevaughnlayne7258]

The survey needs a fix, I gave it my budget of $700 and it gave me 2 options above $1900 😮

[@bjbrunetti]

I’m using R10 indoors w/o special balls

[@christopherreid8370]

5:46 so if I use a net and those rapsodo balls can it still be used outside and still maintain accuracy?

[@LetsPlayThru]

I haven’t tried it, but I assume that should work fine

[@larryweathermon2906]

Why do so many pro golfers play Shrixon instead of Mizuno. I think they are both forged and made in Japan'

[@nicocavada]

I can just tell you I bought the Srixon ZX 5 MK ii and they are the BEST irons ive ever touched. BEST feeling look and performance. Amazing.

[@NoFailureAllowed]

Garmin all the way.

[@albincha9197]

Why isn't accuracy being in the points? No point having something that pumps out wrong figures

[@davedeboy5726]

I don't care about indoor and using a special ball. I want to use it on the range.

[@brettlarson206]

Take some time to show th units at the start. Just spitting out names when i am not familiar makes this near impossible to follow.