Level 125 PvP Duels | Elden Ring

[@sethgibson4155]

I would love a future update where the Colosseum in Caelid opens up and it’s just a pvp tournament area.

[@n3onnova564]

That the theory, theres like 3 different coliseums which will like be different arenas for pvp

[@hhlptf]

@@n3onnova564 if they would fix the matchmaking disconnect issue they could make an arena with rubber ducks and id fight in it

[@ralcogaming7674]

@@n3onnova564 here's hoping one is for jousting, they gave us horses let us use them!

[@pit0fdespair248]

boundry break did a video showing the inside of it - currently looking at freecamming my way into the other 2 but it looks very set up for pvp matches. hopefully they might build a tourney type system with spectators - theres enough space for it

[@dajshinshin8460]

@@ralcogaming7674 that sounds awful

[@dat_senpai_guy4400]

This game would be so interesting rn if 90% of people weren't bloodhoundstepping with dual bleed cross naginatas

[@Shendapy]

I’ve hardly seen anyone else with them, but I admit I’ll sometimes have those as a secondary to the zwiehander

[@Kelnef]

The influx of new players seems to have shifted the pvp towards youtube build guides instead of people running stupid shit they are trying their hardest to make work. Honestly as the hype dies down the pvp scene will recover, especially with any future multiplayer updates from releases.

[@theexploderofworlds3855]

mine are keen

[@mohathar26]

yo man im currently going lightning claws and bloodhound step, am i annoying or no? I cant get rid of the bleed not becuase i want to have bleed, i also love lightning claws because the effect and sfx are really cool. Share me what you think about my build because really i dont want to be annoying fr

[@nathanwhiting5475]

@@Kelnef "stupid shit they are trying they're hardest to make work" explains my build philosophy perfectly. And I had a pretty good amount of success with it in Ds3 duels. But Elden Ring is a whole other fucking ball game. At least for now. I remember bleed was OP when Ds3 came out too, but it wasn't anywhere near this bad. But it seems like there's so much potential for brain dead builds and strategy in this game that it could be years before dueling pvp is even slightly balanced. Not to mention that even when I win with my stupid ass unique builds, I do it in 2 hits because damage is so ridiculously high in this game and it's not even remotely satisfying or fun. The dueling scene feels so hopeless right now.

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

Note to self: When someone's running at you while attacking and you aren't comfortable with a parry, don't roll away. Roll past them.

[@touhoutsuu]

trurly useful bro

[@moose8337]

"Sleep against madness who will win" My insomnia "And I took that personally"

[@deadforever99]

Sleep deprived Schizophreniac. "Why not both?"

[@thewicked1862]

Underrated comment

[@sophomorphia]

Who won?

[@Sangheilitat117]

Saying “well fought” to the guy spamming only Swarm of Flies and Rivers of Blood at 11:10 Very brave of you

[@westonflame9702]

How could you say something so brave, yet so controversial?

[@yungmalaria]

Thats an eleanora twinblade not the rivers of blood

[@ebonslayer3321]

@@yungmalaria They guy in the clip he timestamped the end of was using Rivers.

[@LiaoCards]

I mean he’s using seppuku and godpeeler. Cheese vs cheese

[@joshuakim5240]

i am genuinely amazed that guy didn't heal due to the type of person who usually has that build.

[@jessesutton7985]

The MLGS in this game looks so great with the cold coming off it. So many amazing weapons and arts, thanks for the showcase.

[@Ant3rn]

Anime

[@LV426Survivor]

I think this just cements the idea that they're definitely, 100%, going to nerf bleed in some way.

[@Sushityphoon01]

Yup lol, everyone always uses the same builds lol. Barely any creativity.

[@mohathar26]

im currently doing lightning claws and bloodhound step, am i interesting or annoying here? i just cant get rid of the bleed (not because i wanted to have bleed on my claws, and i want lightning because the effect and sfx is just cool)

[@zackeryh250]

Hopefully it brings it down to useful, but not broken. I hate when they nerf something so hard that it just eliminates a whole style of play. Bleed is definitely way over tuned right now though.

[@heroofhyrule9778]

@@mohathar26 just do whats fun for you, having some more weapons for variety is fun

[@sharinganproz]

@@zackeryh250 thats exactly how they handled bleed being absurdly broken in dark souls 3. i'm sure that you've seen the sorry state of bleed in that game the past few years.

[@sweetcynic8830]

13:00 That was a real omae wa mo shindeiru moment, I tell you what.

[@EmmLoaf]

6:53 I was chanting "NIHIIIIL" in my head during the weapon art and then hearing Oro yell it on the last hit was perfection

[@ironsilverback3200]

Same. If you don't do the chant during the weapon art don't even bother using the weapon lol

[@TrueComboKing]

@@ironsilverback3200 Agreed, you have to. It’s the law.

[@ShiningDarknes]

@@TrueComboKing so unfortunate that your character doesn't yell it.

[@shaunconnally4794]

It's basically the law

[@CSmyth191]

The first build was really close to mine, love the moonlight greatsword. Great video!

[@christopherheiser6090]

What was his Build for moonlight Greatsword?

[@SynysterProjects]

Um, ackshually, it's Dark Moon Greatsword. Lol. But yes I love it as well. I'm currently spec'd specifically for it and have been for the last roughly 15 hours of gameplay. Haven't mained it in a build since DaS2 ❤

[@PeakFilmClipz]

So is half of KZbin’s

[@MyEpicAnime]

@@SynysterProjects The coulda been talking about the weapon skill 🤷‍♂

[@billygraves1769]

Most entertaining person I have watched. Appreciate you not complaining about someone using what the game offers.

[@Gakusangi]

One on one duels are so interesting, because they're not chaotic like traditional invasions and sometimes have people trying out interesting and versatile builds.

[@ArthiosVankrul]

I personally don't think that the problem with bleed is the damage itself, sure, it's a lot of damage, but the real problem is the absurd build up bleed gets, 1-2 or even 3 hit bleed against players it's just outrageous, one thing is having a bleed vulnerable boss/enemy, but when you literally die by getting hit 2 times with the bleed status doing 99.9% of the damage it's kinda stupid

[@paolosama]

That's Fair, since in invasions you Always have to fight alone angainst ganks of 3.

[@xkareloadedx]

Not to mention the new stun animations for status effects that stun you for extra hits now

[@trevorandrew8726]

@@paolosama invasion pvp is not built to be balanced for the invader. If you want regular pvp you gotta do duels in popular spots or find a fight club situation in one of those spots by putting a sign down

[@paolosama]

@@trevorandrew8726 I want invasions to continue just like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5WZfZ2Xjd6Vpsk

[@Seb_Falkor]

It seems so much more daunting to go out and get, then upgrade all of these different items for these builds. Sometimes I wish the game wasn’t so big lmao

[@LtSprinkulz]

It's easier with cheats on PC.

[@cooldudeachyut]

Once you get all the bell bearings it's a lot easier to get the weapons +24 and +9 at least. And yea, you don't have that problem on PC.

[@Mr-Lister]

@@LtSprinkulz Doesn't the anticheat catch things like item injections? or is it moreso just blatant cheats like infinite health and such? What does the system tolerate?

[@edgelord3617]

@@LtSprinkulz worst advice I think I’ve ever heard

[@fartmaster--po4ti]

@@Mr-Lister your friend makes a save backup, drops all the items you don't have and then reverts to the backup. Then you return the favour. Easy and doesn't technically involve cheating.

[@EiyuuOumono]

That last fight was what I call a chad fight. Love the last fighter. Real good stab delays and dodging.

[@Koeboldt]

I love the death poker, currently doing a themed build around death sorceries with it. So many fun weapons in this game.

[@shrunklighttv3015]

that final match was epic. it's good to see some sportsmanship in this game.

[@mohathar26]

your commentary really made these duels much more fun to watch

[@Ezio9791]

This video serves as a reminder to me to stay at low LVL for PVP

[@notscorchingsands9718]

Glad they finally decided to make fun and unique weapons actually good

[@OfficialLolodrom]

I hope you don't mean bleed.

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

No, they really didn’t. People he fought are just pretty bad and they didn’t spam meta shit.

[@JeromeShitposter]

I had no idea the fingerprint shield builds madness 👀

[@Chillburger]

i like that u dont use any meta builds and just play well and always say GG with such positive vibes) keep it go bro

[@トーキ-g8v]

Oro showing off his doll wife’s honeymoon present

[@Joefresh111]

This guy is like that dude from South park who just keeps killing everyone 😂

[@bearstriker1695]

This game has amazing build potential! I find myself fighting people who get super creative

[@DennisRLuna]

This dude is really ejoying himself HAHAHAHSHA i had so much fun

[@hobosorcerer]

I love to see him experimenting with the weapons, but he should try branching out with some of the spells too. You can do some interesting stuff.

[@BlackJester57]

spells arent really very fun tho. to use or watch people use.

[@cordyceps182]

@@BlackJester57 Spellblades are really fun to watch. Mixing up strategies between Carian Slicer/Piercer or the Gavel of Haima is great.

[@BlackJester57]

@@cordyceps182 i agree i should have said people who only use spells/rely entirely on spells

[@siulrabz1885]

Great dodge ability at 09:46, that guy throw everything at you and you just kept pushing, really great man.

[@thebrinkster5032]

Now we need the Dancing in the Moonlight video for Elden Ring

[@lchassefang]

That entrance area before the academy is like a perfect dueling arena

[@Drone3vil]

You ever thought about doing a neutral direction jumping r2 when people are closing in on you? Especially with a GS you can outrange most running, rolling and sprinting attacks, it poises through them aswell and for most trades a jumping r2 is going to secure you the hp advantage and it adds another crossup most people arent expecting

[@mee091000]

9:21 You wouldn't even let that man *suffer* in peace

[@solairessun]

Something I admire is that you were comfortable with changing weapons instead of using a pure bleed or moonveil build

[@Doth_]

They reallly need to fix netcode or remove bleed stun.

[@Zhembi]

I feel like “Good luck” from Oro is never good luck

[@westonflame9702]

Sleep is easily the most intriguing status effect for me. I’m gonna rock the sleep torch once I get it.

[@D4Deyo]

Im trying to do a legitimate death blight build because I like the death blight animation and man it takes foreverrrr to build up that death meter in pvp. I've still havent been able to do it. People die from eclipse shotel damage way faster

[@ebonslayer3321]

@@D4Deyo Oro actually did a Deathblight build on stream the last few days. The trick is to hit that WA follow up, it'll easily fill up over half of the gauge, and then you can rush them down with running attacks to proc it. This does mean that it's an invasion thing, not a dueling one. Additionally, the meta currently is Arcane, which provides resistance to Deathblight, so it's very hard to proc anyhow.

[@kairowkuroshi1371]

He's Got the moonlight Greatsword. Only time will tell for the Dancing in the moonlight tribute. And I'll gladly wait for it.

[@vilevagrant4632]

I wish the coloseum becomes a dlc where you can set fight rules like, basic melee only. Range only or choose not to fight someone with a type of weapon.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

Wait you're telling me this MLGS sword ISNT garbage? My life has been a lie

[@SoI_Badguy]

The mlgs hasn't ever really been garbage.. it was super efficient in ds3.

[@axelmartinez1235]

I think it is garbage. He just playing for fun. Terrible weapon art you will never actually land, slow attacks that cant trade.... Way better int weapons exist: alternatively, just make something with magic enchantment and get any ash of war you want.

[@guccigg1528]

@@SoI_Badguy tweak ure iq if you think MGS is usable in ds3 🤡

[@ebonslayer3321]

@@guccigg1528 Every weapon is usable. Good is another question entirely (which MLGS is admittedly not).

[@StiffKun]

Its pretty mid.

[@inkydragon3400]

God I love this community so much. People think they can only be toxic tryhards [ to be fair some are ] but they have true honor when it comes to duels

[@Laoruperteen18]

Notice how the last fight was actually fun? no bleed builds or spamming dual wield running attacks? take note elden ring community.

[@athan6385]

"Basic Samurai, I respect that." *uses Moonveil* "I will make you suffer!"

[@ClassMRule]

i feel like pvp in elden ring is too bursty with such a fast ttk, im not sure if this can be solved by a simple meta level change. and i doubt they would be interested in patching it since nerfs rarely ever feel good

[@Exaltable]

I’d just generally like to see an all around maybe 25-40% damage nerf for pvp only like how damage buffs and some talismans already work. It could ruin invasions for invaders but it would make duels immensely more fun and potentially bring together the meta level camps.

[@gameclips5734]

it's pretty much like bloodborne, very scrappy

[@fluffywuffyable]

It’s mostly bleed . Bleed damage is crazy and when it goes off it stuns u to get hit with another combo that’s going to bleed u again

[@ashketchum1827]

@@Exaltable you realize the meta would stay the same if everything got nerfed

[@cosseybomb]

@@Exaltable no

[@billysastard3435]

Oro shouting nihiel like mohg lmao.

[@kossettereaditte7552]

I love this game but I really feel like its not balanced at all in pvp.

[@prod_yasha]

Everything is viable the only complaint I have is ofc bleed moon veil magic etc but I mean only bleed needs a crazy nerf I like how pretty much everything in the game is a viable way to kill

[@fungus2116]

i wish my duels would have half as good a connection as these

[@mordhaus666]

I miss simpler pvp :(

[@LtSprinkulz]

This is by far the simplest pvp with no deadangles, toggle escaping, reverse backrolling, estus cancelling, soul memory, r1 combos, the list goes on. This pvp is just status effects and jumping attacks. It's like it was made for babies.

[@thatoneguy6126]

It is simple. Souls games always had very simple PvP

[@mynamejef7963]

@@LtSprinkulz think he just means everyone for the most part used actual weapons instead of weapon art and spell spam I like straight up spacing and good mixups not this boring get spammed by beast sling naginata rivers of blood and whatever the big ass version of force is

[@gameclips5734]

@@mynamejef7963 i think it's just that oro likes spamming weapon skills

[@LtSprinkulz]

@@mynamejef7963 Eh I think it's fun but the reason nobody uses their weapon is because there's no R1 combos so why try to hit someone with anything less than full force.

[@Haxzilog]

i love the music when the music only start when someone make a 1st hit

[@Worldwave]

the first build had a lot of good backstep attack situations! I love DMGS' backstep attack

[@JohnSmith-nz1vj]

12:56 Mans really said "Omae wa mou shindeiru " before walking away while his opponent explodes in gore

[@GawainW]

Even in RL 125 duels.... Things still hurt... A LOT...

[@Iluhvahtar]

it's not that unusual to one shot, at most two shot people

[@rotonek2887]

And at 150 it will be even more of a problem bruh

[@stupidanon5941]

@@rotonek2887 Damage won't change from 125-150 since everyone is already soft-capping their damage at 125. 150 just means more passive defense stats from being higher level.

[@abshope538]

@@stupidanon5941 That's not how it works. As you can see, most players (including Oroboro here) is already rocking maximum defense stats here being 50-60 vigor while dealing so much damage. An additional 25 points would only be invested in secondary scaling (e.g. Dex in Moonveil INT build, Arc in Rivers of Blood DEX build, Faith for Golden Vow/Armament buff in Strength Build), which deals even more damage in return

[@stupidanon5941]

@@abshope538 "That's not how it works." That's _exactly_ how it works. As you go up in level, you get passive defensive stats, _just for going up in level_ . That is how it has worked in every Souls game, and how it works in Elden Ring.Go ahead and _ask_ Oroboro about this if you don't believe me, or test it yourself; the value of damage lessens relatively as you go up in level. AR depreciates in effective value and damage dealt with every level you take past what was necessary to get it. "An additional 25 points would only be invested in secondary scaling (e.g. Dex in Moonveil INT build, " AR depreciation outpaces the damage gains from that. "Arc in Rivers of Blood DEX build," See above. The only significant factor here is that arcane can cause bleed buildup faster. "Faith for Golden Vow/Armament buff in Strength Build)" Golden Vow is only a 5% return on damage gained in pvp, and the armament spells are straight terrible unless you have 80 faith, and even then, they still don't exactly outpace what someone with a 50 in strength and a fire infusion can do. Though, the setup that you have described here actually does have the potential to gain enough damage to keep that relative value vs. the increased defense stats at 150. The other two examples _definitely_ do not.

[@grymjaw]

The audacity on that guy to t bag while using the small pp build, good lord

[@julianotresoldi3962]

I wish duels lasted for more than 5 seconds. Pvp seems pointless when everyone just oneshots each other. This game needs a massive nerf on all damage, but specially on bleed.

[@PWARGaming]

easiest solution is increase player health/defense per level. This would be easier than lowering dmg for every single weapon/source. even in pve the last quarter of the game is a bit crazy against the player. altho they should unnerf radahn if this is gonna be the case.

[@westonflame9702]

When everything’s super, nothing is.

[@stupidanon5941]

Can't nerf damage; you need that kind of damage for end-game content in pve.

[@iLxthul]

@@PWARGaming or just reduce damage done to players. If it can be done. Would keep the damage good enough for Pve while fixing the damage issue in pvp. I haven’t pvped at all unless it was the random invasion while helping someone through an area so it might not seem realistic.

[@iLxthul]

@@PWARGaming I was at 150 on my first play through when I went through haligtree, mountaintops, farum, and the final two bosses and even having 60 health and 80 dex enemies were melting me.

[@CrazyzzzDudezzz]

15:36 was basically getting a taste of your own medicine

[@ApocalypseGuy1]

2h weapons could really use a buff tho. The longest fight and the most hits exchanged was the one againt an ultra greatsword. :P

[@ainstolkiner2063]

I don’t know who is the best souls player out there, but this man has got the best laugh for sure

[@nigelblythe6627]

Just think of it. In ER for some reason we have insane (and stupid) 25 levels of weapon upgrade. During my playthrough when I hit 50 vigor my weapon was only about +16, and there was 1/3 of the game ahead. In previous games that things were much more paralleled. So HP progression stops earlier than damage and main game. That's the problem besides bleed proc.

[@nox5668]

This man will cut some poor kid in half with his mind and go “good fight”

[@thecholones]

Dude my fight last longer at lvl 189. People say 125 should be the meta cause fight last longer and its more balance but its exactly the same except at my level theres more variety. Typically my fight are just as long or longer than this 🤨

[@KVN278]

Tbh he contradicted himself, he basically 2 or 3 shots ppl and says fights he doesn't want fights that 2 shots while also saying ppl will be Havel monsters while having poise that tanks everything lmao....very contradictory statements

[@jase276]

I've been saying that for years. 125 in every game besides the first Dark Souls is just way too low a level for PVP dueling. But everyone wants shitty min maxed builds with maxed weapons in their fights, I guess.

[@thecholones]

@@jase276 the thing is that 125 is for the “true competitive” scene, which is for those shitty gatekeeping fanatics that you can find in a discord for example, and its a level that they deem good for a balance pvp experience without being to over powered, thats why its so restrictive! they even ban certain weapons, armor etc. we need to make that distinction because that level is only for tournament type of play, otherwise 150 and up is fine for casual laid back fun type of dueling and there’s probably always ganna be people playing at that level in THIS game, and you should play whatever u find fun! And never let no miserable gatekeeping fuck face tell u otherwise 😂 good hunting 🙆🏻‍♂️

[@ShiningDarknes]

@@KVN278 to be fair many of those 2-3 shots are people running under 1200 HP which is just asking to be 2 shot. Those same people would still have that much HP and just dump more points into damage at higher levels.

[@italycorleone]

6:21 that weave is wild 🤧🔥

[@grapefruitmoon8034]

Great vid man, keep up the good work! GOTCHAAA

[@memester6668]

"bloodhound step that" best quote of the year 👌

[@renigadepancake9247]

Fallingstar beast jaw has to be my favorite weapon in the game at the moment 😄

[@mellindrums]

Are you using the same stats throughout the video or did you respec at some point?

[@tannerkennedy4192]

Anyone wondering what he’s wearing for a chest piece it’s the ronin armour you get it in mountain tops area

[@Jdoug305]

What area are they fighting in

[@Artem_Shepelev]

@@Jdoug305 Raya Lucaria Academy

[@aenima72826]

this video has me constantly saying wtf over and over lmao

[@cathiefTTV]

It’s so nice that dual wield is back because that’s one thing ds2 did correctly

[@explosivekittens123]

It's much more basic than what we had in ds2 tho unfortunately.

[@westonflame9702]

I mean, yeah DS2 was rough around the edges, but I wouldn’t say power standing was the only thing it did correctly. Of all of the dark souls games pvp, I think I enjoyed 2’s the most.

[@ebonslayer3321]

DS2 also had the only good PVP, the weakest meta (compared to other weapon types), the most varied and interesting interactions (Rat and Bell covenants), and the ability to refight bosses. Until ER it also had undoubtedly the coolest weapons and most varied weapons, and even now it's not terribly far behind.

[@vestortblackstream8440]

And thus, to no one's surprise - bleed was aptly nerfed. Build variety rejoiced in the Lands Between, everyone lived happily ever after.

[@fluffywuffyable]

I hope they nerf the damage of bleed they nerfed bloody slash but bleed it’s self is the problem

[@toirdealbachbartoium5454]

If they nerf bleed damage then you shouldn't be able to roll out of bleeds anymore.

[@ryangordon1996]

Omg the bleed that’s so broken

[@austineberhart8535]

props to the guy who is wearing the samurai armor. i also have not changed my armor since the start of the game. set looks way too cool.

[@bossdozz]

Ive been doing pvp at 120 with the Moonlight GS and feel like a noodle, what are your stats for the first build?

[@heroofhyrule9778]

60 vig is mandatory, then u get the minimum dex and str to weild the sword, even use 1.5 str for two handing only if you want to min max, use light amounts of mind and stamina (maybe like 10-15) if you want more damage, put the rest into intelligence , should be a solid build and good damage for the sword (note here i am presuming the sword scales primarily with intelligence) oro is also using the intelligence knot crystal tier in his flask here i think to further boost intelligence by the way you are probably safe to level to 125 if you want to

[@bossdozz]

@@heroofhyrule9778 thanks! I guessed mostly right then I should just swap around a few points from stam @25 to 10/15 and boost int another 10

[@ShadowOfLaw]

@@bossdozz I have 45 vig with 20% physical boost talisman - works fine, I use spare points for 20 stamina, 25 mind.

[@Drachenfurie]

@@ShadowOfLaw Are you sure the 20% physical protection is the same for PvE and PvP? Because if I remember correctly in the old games its effect is much weaker in PvP.

[@ShadowOfLaw]

@@Drachenfurie this talisman simply boosts 20 points to defense stats, it's not like +20% to present defense, so it must work in pvp.

[@Artynis]

Which armor set is he using ?

[@joshzillo]

Just lower the bleed damage and disable the stagger when you get bled. Honestly ridiculous how much damage bleed does right now

[@Lucas-st1xq]

would be good to get rid of the phantom buildups but I think they are just unable to do it.

[@tatsunithelennyking2540]

@@Lucas-st1xq Yeah I personally think their netcode is such a spaghetti ball that they'd most likely be unable to undo the phantom buildup.

[@thecholones]

Nah keep the stagger cause then poise will be to overpowered.

[@Kyle-hv8ed]

@@thecholones Bleed stagger should be removed. Poise needs to be reworked or just turned off. Bleed % damage needs to be nerfed.

[@thecholones]

@@Kyle-hv8ed thats crazy poise should not be turn off since it will make great-sword type weapons virtually useless right? completely removing a class from being viable is not okay because people like using other things rather than the same shit everyones using. What do u main ?

[@KingEndymionrose]

To Describe this whole video "my hope will never die" comes to mind lol.

[@yokel45]

Things will get more interesting when bleed is nerfed. I hope they somehow balance the PVP to be fun at the level where you naturally beat the game, but 125 is definitely better rn.

[@AveSequoia]

Good thing flamberge will always be good bleed wise because it comes with it. I use it all the time but the fast bleed builds are insane

[@sir_gort]

Perhaps that could be adjusted without affecting PVE, maybe like player values and stuff like that.

[@Sangheilitat117]

Duels are pretty much the exact same at 150. People like Oro keep trying to push 125 but with how overtuned everything in this game is right now, you still get two or three shot in 125 the same way you do in 150. 150 just had more build variety. There’s constant 24/7 duel signs at Academy Main Gate at 150, same as 125.

[@spiraljumper74]

@@Sangheilitat117 Okay but the actual math supports the fact that things get demonstrably worse at 150 because at that point everyone is just adding levels to their primary damage stats. If you want fights to last longer, 125 is the clear choice.

[@26183]

@@spiraljumper74 oO where is this math you speak of? id like to read it too.

[@ates423]

I just love being one shot by bleed Katana password summons when I invade on my lvl 50 duelist cosplay build, then to get tbagged and pointed down on. Gave me so much motivation to switch to my lvl 30 bullgoats 40 vigor, rkr great axe build. They wonder why Invaders are so toxic lol.

[@bofygaming9672]

Can we get a stat screen right before your fights maybe a quick gear slide over

[@Moonwakexx]

What is the armor that he is using at the start of the video? It looks so tight!!

[@Moonwakexx]

Update: I found out that it’s the ronin chest piece if anyone else needs to know lol.

[@cocytusdedi6676]

I was kinda boring seeing you never die, It removed the stakes of the match

[@TengouX]

I'm in the process of preparing several characters at various levels. Mainly levels 100, 125 and 150. The latter two I'll just fully upgrade my stuff, but what would you say is the proper upgrade level for pvp matchmaking at lv100?

[@entropy444]

Max as everyone else dueling will do the same. Not sure though if you are going for invasions

[@MrPrinceofSaiyans]

Probably max even if you are going for invasions

[@lazytanooki5093]

I believe bleed should be nerfed a little bit. It makes invasions a bit less fun to do when almost everyone you run into is using the River of Blood katana and can two to three shot you, even though you have 45 vigor. Love doing invasions against people who aren’t using meta builds though.

[@x2spooky4me]

"a little bit"

[@lazytanooki5093]

@@x2spooky4me when I say a little bit, I was being nice, I think a fair nerf would be similar to maybe moonveil? I use moonveil, and I rarely one shot people and have to be careful with who I’m targeting with it when I invade. While transient moon is devastating, there’s still opportunities for dodging/healing after the first hit and learning it’s predictability. The River of Blood stuns me first hit to where I can’t dodge that second fatal hit.

[@x2spooky4me]

@@lazytanooki5093 the insane thing with bleed (besides the big build up) is that the bloodloss itself stuns. it stuns so hard that you can get hit right after it without being able to dodge. that's the "actual" insane part imo Moonveil is annoying, sure, but at this point absolutely managable.

[@lazytanooki5093]

@@x2spooky4me I agree. And yea, the moonveil can definitely be a nuisance. I occasionally run into another moonveil and whenever they win, I think to myself “So that’s what it feels like” lol.

[@BearClaw92]

Oroboro is the true Elden Lord bow before him

[@EternallyLoud]

In my opinion at 150 the survival rate is much higher than 125 duels and invasions. You can have the build you want but also put those extra 25 levels into some survival stats such as vigor or even put it into mind so you can use more weapon arts on the cool weapons for your build. You can do both 125 and 150 on characters but 150 imo has more options for offensive and defensive plays and at the same time. Ds3 was 125 or 120 at the start then later changed to 150 for this very reason

[@ebonslayer3321]

DS3 was always 125, but a subset of people played at 150. Anyhow, you're wrong about putting points into Vigor because 60 Vigor is the softcap, you don't get much points in health after that. What happens at 150 is you either softcap your damage stats (which 125 can't even do with one without major sacrifices) or you pump Endurance and become a poise monster, turning PVP into a boring trade-fest.

[@EternallyLoud]

@@ebonslayer3321 ive dueled at both levels on my test characters and lemme tell you 125 is the exact same when it comes to poise. You still get 1-2 shotted. More variety at 150

[@ebonslayer3321]

@@EternallyLoud Actually, there's statistically less variety at 150. 125 has something 150 does not: pure builds. At 125 you can sacrifice your secondary damage stat to pump your primary, ending up at around 70 in it in most cases. At 150 you can easily do that (possibly even going higher into the softcap at 80) and still have enough points leftover to create a hybrid build without skimping on either health or endurance.

[@mohathar26]

15:39 bro was teabagging aggresively as if he did anything lmao.

[@cg3518]

Nobody: Oroboro: build diversity exists @ RL 125 if you git gud lads

[@Nomgoose]

A little metal armor goes a long way to bleed resistance, no? And surely you can just swap out a talisman for the mottled necklace or stalwart horn while the bleed meta is in effect, and then go back to min maxing once everybody calms down on it. Not to mention, people aren't leveling endurance as much, so the effect of bleed is stronger because builds aren't spending points toward Robustness.

[@Abc123rage]

Yeah you can be pretty tanky I run that talisman and bleed at least doesn't instant proc

[@mryupjup2203]

I find that post recording commentary works great on pvp videos. Would love for you to try it dude. The thats wild can get old hehe

[@kjdevarie3670]

Does anyone know what build he is using at the beginning of the video with the Dark Moon Greatsword

[@emwZEEK]

At 14:40 did he really have an obligation to let you buff after the initial greeting? i feel like that estus flask drink disqualified you for that fight even though it didnt matter at all lol. When i have been PvPing today i felt silly letting people stack 12 buffs so i just start to rush in and start the fight if i see seppukus and golden vows going off.

[@heroofhyrule9778]

its arbitrary depending on who you ask, i usually let people buff up unless im in an impatient mood i just rush them and see how they react if they start sippin the yellow stuff i will too

[@Iluhvahtar]

personally i think that after initial greeting is anything goes. If i have time i buff myself, or if I see the other people buffing. But i'm a mage, so I'm always at a range, it's easier to know if I'll be able to get buffed or not

[@spiraljumper74]

I generally let people seppuku, it’s a weapon buff, let them use their build. Weapon buffs were common courtesy in the Dks3 dueling scene too. Now if they wanna buff, drink their physick, and eat some crab and exalted flesh, I’ll probably just attack them.

[@emwZEEK]

@@spiraljumper74 Whats the difference between letting a dual katana, 80 arcane build double buff seppuku and letting a mage freely spam spells? obviously if a mage starts channeling the big meteor spell you jump attack smash him before it goes off even though its just his build.

[@ebonslayer3321]

@@emwZEEK Because mage spells are a primarily offensive action. Buffs will enhance further offensive actions, but on their own the action of buffing is not an offensive one.

[@Im-Cobalt]

Didnt see one ravioli step. Mission failed

[@TheOnceandFutureJake]

"The pvp meta needs to be 125 because one shot builds are too strong." *proceeds to use Dark Moonlight Greatsword, bleed builds, pretty much everything in the video unironically* Yeah, this video didn't convince me that 125 meta would be any better.

[@kobitz9001]

wtf does MLGS have to do with 125 meta?

[@spiraljumper74]

Right, we should totally do 150 where everything is even worse and does even more damage. Good argument. So what? Around 90 or so then? I’m game, I’ve had a ton of fun at level 80.

[@TheOnceandFutureJake]

@@spiraljumper74 At higher levels, players can actually get items and talismans to help against damage and status effects.

[@spiraljumper74]

@@TheOnceandFutureJake Anyone wanting to put together a pvp build can get any item they want at any level, either through the many exploitable pve tactics or just by muling or trading, that’s a terrible argument.

[@TheOnceandFutureJake]

@@spiraljumper74 Yeah, but not every player is going to be a hardcore PVP player, or they're just starting out. And oh yeah, the muling and trading that can get you banned or your save file corrupted... Great idea. What a terrible argument.

[@Pine2142]

MLGS is so beautiful in this game with the glimmer and particles.

[@TheAccursedEntity]

1 and 2 shots dead lol no thanks, I'm enjoying lvl 150 way more. But I guess is ok for some people, meta doesn't need to be only one level, it could be both 125 and 150 for different styles.

[@emwZEEK]

I think the biggest difference between the two levels is 150 has bull goats and generally 125 shouldnt. damage and HP should be about the same.

[@Sangheilitat117]

@@emwZEEK Tons of bullgoats at 125 too lmao

[@PrinceDilemma]

enjoy your havel monsters, bloated stats and “””””””build diversity””””””” souls pvp is way more fun when you don’t have so much meat in your build while softcapping everything

[@EternallyLoud]

@@Sangheilitat117 i see more bull goats at 125 than 150 i literally leveled up 25 level and 150 is the way better tbh

[@EternallyLoud]

@@PrinceDilemma the same issue is at 125. 150 just gives you more levels for survivability

[@burritoinspace.]

Can we all appreciate the various weapons Oro used in this video ?

[@xboustx4419]

Its sad seeing elden ring PvP is like this 3/4 hits duel is over I think we should be sitting around 140 soul level

[@Abc123rage]

That will make it worse damage caps are higher this game

[@Voidsent_]

It's going to be exact same builds with everyone wearing bullgoats

[@Stormandreas]

It's so clear bleed is insanely powerful in PvP... not quite sure how FROM ALWAYS manage to overtune Bleed at the start of every single one of their games

[@JaeshaunDT]

Very first time I got bled in game I was like something’s wrong with that lol

[@dylangarza4482]

One shots and two shots won’t happen at 125 that’s why 150 shouldn’t be the meta, said oro. And as soon as the video starts he hits someone for 75% of their health in one hit. 150+ is looking nice.

[@TheChant2005]

why so you can still get 1-2 shot but with more hybrid builds?

[@PraiseYeezus]

We have no idea what level the other person was, though

[@Sarmathal]

@@PraiseYeezus I'd imagine around 125 unless Elden Ring PVP matchmaking is significantly different that other souls games.

[@dylangarza4482]

@@TheChant2005 hybrid builds can’t two shot at 150+. I swear all of the people who say 150 doesn’t work don’t even bother to test out their theories. I PvPed at 100, 125, 150, 175 and 200. The higher you go the less common 1 shots and 2 shots become. Don’t believe me go test it out for yourselves.

[@TheChant2005]

@@PraiseYeezus based on my shoddy math i think he was 130

[@dangerz2665]

Nice plays Oro👍🏻, especially the last one

[@sir_gort]

Scott Jund made a point for why 125 is better, and that is because of all the methods to boost stats in Elden Ring. With that, I think his points are valid.

[@LSB44446]

Prisoner's Chain wasn't meta in Dark Souls 3, why would it be here? Stat boosting gear isn't nearly as interesting as all the other cool gear in this game.

[@Sangheilitat117]

Scott ended up making another video after that raising the meta level to 135.

[@sir_gort]

@@Sangheilitat117 Hmm. I'd like to check that video out. Could you link it?

[@Lunadherent]

7:23 That Fingerprint dumbass getting nihil'd was so damn satisfying lol