Up to 10 M.2 in the Phantom Gaming Z890 Wifi 7 Nova

[@JeckNoTree]

this holo effect looks very cool on the mainboard / heatsink!

[@sabishiihito]

Best way to get Wendell to deviate from the topic at hand and get him off track: Mention Optane.

[@Superkuh2]

After ~4 generations of diddly squat nvme and decreasing sata (consumer) motherboards are finally beginning to have enough storage IO again.

[@chriswright8074]

Most people don't need more than 2tb and then they is the rare ones

[@kazuviking]

@@chriswright8074 Considering how every game is now 120gig+ a 2tb drive will not hold that many.

[@Superkuh2]

@@chriswright8074 Yes. That is the state of things and the people's lives are impoverished for it. Being unable to do anything like even have ownership of their own photos and dependent entirely on the whim of megacorporations.

[@andiszile]

That RAM shield probably wasn't intended form the get go, but was added later in development cycle to make it work 😂

[@tommihommi1]

literal band-aid

[@nakinney1]

Where are the W880 boards?

[@ericthedesigner]

people going to be foil stickering all over their boards, lol

[@Time4House]

EXCELLENT REVIEW

[@chaosfenix]

I actually think that a single lane of PCIE for a m.2 should be plenty. You get up to 4GBps at pcie 5.0 speeds which is comparable to what everyone got when m.2s started getting SSDs for boot drives and bought drives that were 4x PCIE 3.0. There aren't many things that consumers can do that can actually saturate that as the bottleneck will usually be on their network since everyone still uses gigabit. This is obviously only going to get faster as well as we move on to PCIE 6 or PCIE 7 which is set to be finalized this year. Personally I would prefer to have the industry decide to collectively focus on single lanes PCIE for m.2 drive and use those limited pcie lanes to simply add more connectors instead. Running at the slower speeds would also "fix" the heating issues we seem to have with modern m.2s as all of the PCIE 5.0 drives seem to not only require heat sinks but actually need active cooling. Again just cut the lanes down and that won't be and issue for at least a few more years.

[@Kvantum]

Wouldn't that Gen 5 x4 slot, giving one Gen 5 lane to each SSD on the card, still max out the card if you only load it with Gen3 SSDs? Isn't 1 Gen 5 lane equivalent to 4 Gen 3 lanes?

[@inh415]

No because the drives would only be operating at gen 3 x1 speed. Lanes = physical connections. No aggrigation of multiple gen 3 lanes to single gen 5 lane

[@dmoneyballa]

4TB nvme gen4 are about $200 so you could easily get full bandwidth with a bunch of storage.

[@chriswright8074]

Get gen 3

[@sheska8207]

Im going to need 8tb drives to become cheaper for this to be a thing for me. And 16tb sticks would need to be a thing also.

[@cubancoffee]

​@sheska8207 I saw an 8tb WD SN850 for $600 a couple of weeks ago, so it's beginning to happen.

[@inh415]

Used enterprise gen4 u.2 drives is the way to go with adapters

[@creed5248]

I have to run a 4.0 X8 video card so I have full speed on my NVME's on my Proart 570X . With a X16 ... one runs at X2 ...

[@Koop1337]

Forbidden NVMe NAS? Ehhhhh not with those limitations I guess

[@prodeous]

thumbs up for "nova" joke. i so need to get myself a J5..

[@KeithTingle]

is it possible to run 4 sticks of these fancy CUDIMMs @ 8200?

[@eriv0id]

please make a home server build with this, would love to see that happen

[@tommihommi1]

honestly with PCIe gen 5 and bifurcation, you could slap 16 drives on a riser card in a single by 16 slot and still have plenty of speed per drive Of course the low cost controllers to do gen 5x1 aren't there yet, there are some optimized for 5x2 though, and that's still 8 drives in a single slot

[@timramich]

I would hope going 1x on SSDs is the goal with higher PCIe per-speeds. Then maybe we can get back to something like 64 lanes on a chip, bringing the socket sizes back down. I'm speaking in terms of server stuff. The sockets are getting so huge that there is no such thing as a dual socket EATX board anymore. They just don't fit.

[@NetNeelsie]

Where do we get the level 1 wallpapers?

[@creed5248]

10 NVMEs that share lanes ? Why ?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

because there is not enough lanes from CPU or chipset

[@Hogdriva]

Love the color scheme. But yeah, I don’t care about m.2. I wish they’d shunt 2 m.2 lanes to another x8 slot

[@peterwstacey]

Indeed. I wish motherboards had PCIe slots and supported proper bifurcation down to x1 - this would give people more choice via plugin cards etc

[@aikiwolfie]

The expansion card looks like a candidate to be filled with M.2 SATA adapters with 5 or 6 drives to an adapter.

[@jrgenvik-strandli840]

6:14 gen 1, not 1 lane?

[@TeflonBilly426]

Could we please get a revision to the ATX standard that just shifts the chipset PCIe lanes two lots further away (widen the motherboards, basically) so I could have more than two slots? When nVidia 90 series cards use 4 slots, and some MoBo makers (*cough* Asus) waste an entire slot for m.2 drives, all I had left on my most recent build were 2! total usable PCIe slots, one for the GPU, and one for (in this instance) a USB card (but I'd have liked to be able to put a 10G NIC, and a SB Sound card in this machine as well.)

[@stucknousernames]

So what you're saying is, I can add a foil sticker to a motherboard and get improved stability. 😮

[@FireFalcon]

Havent watched the video yet, but x10 8TB drives would be crazy without a PCIE adapter

[@dfgdfg_]

Is there an ITX that can rock lots of m.2?

[@frankwong9486]

Powerful 10 bay nvme nas 😂

[@Nunkuruji]

Would have appreciated something like this over on AMD, ended up with an ASRock X670E Pro RS to hook up a bunch of storage to.

[@topperhawley5079]

Disassemble? Dead!

[@ryshask]

I really like asrock on my amd build... solid as a rock... literally... has never crashed once never a hiccup also have the asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx

[@AthosRac]

Can you put the finger on the foil sticker, i could no see it....

[@marnig9185]

Dose it mean you make the pci5 direct to cpu m2,a swap drive? If yes: wich drive? Optane pci5?

[@creed5248]

I took the locking tab off on my GPU Pcie slot - because I have a magnetic support I made with a metal coat hanger ... LoL !!!

[@FredSaidIt]

And I thought my x670E board with 4 NVME drives in it was a little overkill.

[@frankwong9486]

Ugh it only can do 9 , when pcie is using ,one of the m2 slot will disabled , which means 5slot + 4slot on expansion card If using the x16 slot also you can split into 8/4/4 which means 5+4+3= 12 total

[@darkkingastos4369]

Why did they call this a gaming mobo? The amount of m.2 drives is not going to be used by gamers

[@hiphoppop45]

Would be a better option to build this. Compared to than that new nvme storage device from asus, that costs $1400.

[@jaskij]

Both LGA1700 and LGA1851 have better IO than AM5. Currently, Intel has double the chipset bandwidth compared to AMD. So I'm utterly unsurprised that this kind of insane setup is using Intel.

[@DustinShort]

huh? am5 has up to 28 pcie5.0 lanes while LGA 1700 is 20lanes and LGA1851 is 24 lanes. Regardless, it's still not a lot of lanes and while PCIe 4/5 are fast per lane, a lot of peripherals are still built on gen3x8 cards (NICs and a lot of video addon cards). So neither platform is great when spending even $1k on a motherboard won't provide enough lanes to install fairly normal add on components.

[@jaskij]

@DustinShort Intel uses their proprietary not-PCIe called DMI. It's a different protocol on top of the same physical layer. Both LGA1700 and LGA18151 have 24 PCIe lanes and 8 DMI lanes, for a total of 32. Meanwhile, AMD has 28 PCIe lanes. x870 is PCIe4x4 while Z890 is DMI4x8. So, Z890 has twice the chipset bandwidth x870 has. I was wrong about PCIe lanes for LGA1700, but that simply means it's on par with AM5 instead of being better.

[@dennisfahey2379]

The foil sticker is likely for EMI. The lowest emissions board approach is to wrap the finished design in ground plane outer layers just to contain the radiation within the signal planes. (Assuming they are properly designed.) A lot of military grade stuff requires that. For this high volume consumable an additional layer or two is cost prohibitive so you put on metalized shields (remember composite video output "cans"). A simple metallized sticker - connected to the ground serves the same purpose. In fact if you were to go to an EMC lab at a major company the prototype boards will go through EMC characterization and the EMC engineer will make ad hoc shields with copper tape as he figures out where a signal is jumping off the board. A signal jumping means the PCB layout guy separated from the return path enough to unintentionally make an antenna. And at the speeds these days that antenna can be a very very short trace. The quality of the signals and the radiation created go had in hand. System Engineers use simulation tools like Ansys to catch this during layout but it can take a fair amount of time to run that on every single trace. In a time to market type of business this is hard to accomplish as it slows you down when you can least afford it.

[@tqrules01]

I will click like, because it's you. Horrendous scheduling issue with this new core ultra nonsense, funny... seeing 1/2 cores active beat itself with all the cores active in cyberpunk.... Still, shouldn't have been launched. Enough said, thank you for the review and have a great day.

[@doryiii]

I wish AMD/Intel would allow bifurcating the main x16 PCIe slot to x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 (or even 16 x1) so I can have my array-on-a-board. 2GB/s per device is plenty for a NAS.

[@FyleSystemEra]

12 min gang

[@kirbyrules55]

but but but level1 its intel!?

[@esunisen3862]

I'd rather get Asrock Rack W880D4U-2L2Q