This trend NEEDS to stop with motherboards!

This motherboard trend is terrible and NEEDS to stop!
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[@conorturton]

The motherboard manufacturers have all seen what Nvidia got away with and decided they're going to do that too.

[@Sandriell]

Every industry is doing it right now.

[@lilkwarrior5561]

Nvidia has completely different supply/demand dynamics for GPUs which is a FAR more in-demand component that also is upgraded a whole lot more

[@brodriguez11000]

@@Sandriell $500 toilet paper.

[@Illthallion]

I'm glad @JayzTwoCents did this video. The prices for components are ridiculous - and Nvidia deserves all the hate that we give them.

[@fazeobama1790]

Nvidia is still competing with the 2nd hand market of their old gpus just like apple

[@MonzaniaStrike]

Finding a half decent motherboard with the I/O and features you want while not breaking the bank has never been so hard istg

[@yukisnoww]

AM4 used deals ~$100, thats enough imo. I bought so many in the past half a year. flagship X570 even.

[@lamikal2515]

@@yukisnoww sure, but for AM5, the prices have fone crazy ! 300 bucks gets you barely more than a mobo with a PCB not made of wood.

[@yukisnoww]

@@lamikal2515 I think u dont get Jay's point either. I just looked at pcpartpicker, $180-$300 seems to be a sweet spot ,theres so many great boards for the price, b650 to x670e, matx to ATX, but people just want the flashiest. Don't overexaggerate.

[@PatientXero607]

@@yukisnoww No, we don't want crap VRM implementations or lack of VRM cooling. It's not always about flash unless you are an RGB snob. Get your facts straight. We just get stuck with RGB because all the Twitch/Kick streamers want to showcase their builds.

[@OrjonZ]

@@lamikal2515 Not really. ASRock B650 can be had for $120 and can handle 170W CPU no problem.

[@scimbrelo]

Me: I don't watch TV. Also me: watches a 20 minute retrospective on motherboards

[@ja98470]

Me too!

[@kingeling]

You get to watch what you want, TV is overrated boomer technology nowadays

[@KingDarkOne1996]

This is the new tv. However old tv will not die. Radio is still here.

[@KingDarkOne1996]

@@kingelingoverrated? Ok mate. You are a boring person. Tv is far from overrated. You can watch almost every tv channel with an app now. And you have more control over what you watch. And you still need a tv to play your consoles. Tv will be around long after you and me. Smart tv

[@joshdillon9637]

The thing I want to see them get back to is simplicity. I'm not looking at my PC when I'm using it, I'm looking at the monitor. Why in the heck do people want them lit up like it's Christmas? Give me components that are affordable and efficient. Take all the "fluff" out of it. I need a PC that does what it is built to do. It doesn't need to win fashion shows.

[@ragingmonk6080]

I paid $180 for my B 550 when it launched. That is double of what I paid for my board 6 to 7 years ago. Back when Jay started the channel and ran AMD. He would recommend $60 - $70 boards and I bought $80 for some extras. Now $80 gets you the box and installation guide.

[@jelly8594]

😂👍

[@pumelo1]

@@jelly8594 for 75% PC users is useless buy mainboard that costs more than 150$

[@Txm_Dxr_Bxss]

I bought a Z270 motherboard in 2017 (mistake) for 130€. I remember thinking that this was insane for a motherboard. now 130€ is ultra budget.

[@peoul1]

atleast its $110 with inflation meybe XD

[@theghostofthomasjenkins9643]

i paid $104 dollars for a 660. they don't have to cost that much.

[@RandomNY1234]

The trend with mobos, over the last bunch of years, is that the install guide went from being a book explaining every feature to a pamphlet that basically says, "Any questions go to our website." Hmm I'm building a computer so getting on the internet to look up a solution for an install problem is kinda a bit difficult with computer parts spread all over my floor at that moment.. Thanks.. :)

[@SuperPhunThyme9]

Where I work at 7-eleven, we still run the exact same profit margin as in 2009, but our prices have gone up 2.5X _minimum_ since then. (Alot of stuff is over 3x). Inflation is literally twice as bad as the media is making it out to be, and this is the result. If you're paying less than 2x for a motherboard, you are getting an incredible deal...you should be paying 3X, if not 4X considering the higher inflation of the relevant materials.

[@ezecskornfan]

I miss real manuals too.

[@NighttimeJuneau]

To quote once legendary developer on the decline, “Don’t you guys have phones?!”

[@hardopinions]

@@SuperPhunThyme9 Yes, "The Media" .... nothing screws up your argument faster than blaming "The Media" for it. Seriously, go to the central bank data and look up the inflation data. It's not that hard.

[@leverloos]

It's also 2023 and everyone has a phone thats connected to the internet right?

[@LukeLane1984]

I remember buying an entry level motherboard just a few years ago for 70 bucks. It doesn't have a whole lot of features, especially no gimmicky ones, but it does the job. Enough connectivity, 2 M.2 slots. No RGB headers, though, but who cares.

[@OneNidim]

I hate the whole led rgb stuff. It’s such a waste. Why are we looking at the computer anyways. My gpu came with leds so I turned them red so it doesn’t bother my vision at all

[@LukeLane1984]

@@OneNidim Yeah literally EVERYTHING has to have RGB nowadays. Motherboards, RAM, Fans, GPUs, RGB strips in cases, Headphones, Microphones, Mice, Keyboards, Coolers, and even stuff like freaking mousepads, routers, etc. I don't get it either.

[@MyAmazingUsername]

I noticed that there is no entry level anymore. X670E is only 28% more than a crippled B650 board. So what is the point of the B650, B650E and X670, if X670E is basically the same cost???!

[@alastor8091]

​@@OneNidimjust looks good. Almost like a center piece for a room.

[@Rrrrrrraaaaahhhh]

This is why I wanted my Gigabyte Aorus Elite AX X670. It has no RGB, Super Robust and overbuilt, affordable for its Class, over built cooling systems for its VRMS and lots of storage slots for m.2s because I love having lots of storage

[@gekkehenkie0001]

My latest build is now 3 years old but I still remember the agony of comparing boards and their features. And yes, it is getting much much worse (doing builds since 1999). If only someone could scrape all the pecs, align them in a spreadsheet and show it to everyone Choosing a board would be reduced to filtering columns

[@dnkreative]

Every normal online shop has filters on specs, like every spec you can imagine.

[@fatfatr]

theres loads of spreadsheets online, you just have to look for them lol

[@reubenmorris487]

Newegg does something similar to what you're asking.

[@zapf6987]

So... Pcpartpicker?

[@eccomi21]

@@zapf6987 why can i not find stuff on pcpartpicker like the asus hero boards? (as of right now)

[@DepartedHunter]

I’m annoyed that back motherboards all had LED post code display. Now motherboards can have RGB yet they might not even even have a light to help determine errors.

[@__se7entin__]

Lmao that's so true. I'm a newbie to the field and i got confused seeing an rgb or ever addressable rgb port but no LED code display

[@lewiscook3918]

hey mobos used to beep at you that's all you needed ...Beep Codes

[@user2C47]

@@lewiscook3918 I, too, remember beep codes. AFAIK Gigabyte still uses them. If I were to build a new computer, a speaker header is actually a feature I would look for because it's a feature I actively use under Linux.

[@ravewulf]

Current AM5 motherboards have fewer PCIe slots, fewer SATA ports, and fewer audio jacks (sometimes only 2 or 3!). The improved aesthetics were nice for a bit but it's time to get back to the basics - connectivity! EDIT: For those wondering why more PCIe slots are needed - 10 Gig NIC (the boards that have it integrated are way more expensive than just using a PCIe card), video capture cards, etc. Plus if you want to make up for the low end boards skimping on audio jacks and SATA ports, that's more cards you need to add.

[@TheKazragore]

AM5 is not alone in having fewer PCIe slots. That's universal now. For the most part people don't have additional cards to install other than the GPU. Some people, such as myself, have 2 or 3 cards needed to be installed, and it's frustrating, I agree, that options are more limited now.

[@spankeyfish]

The missing PCIe slots have become m.2 sockets. You can even get adapters that let you plug a PCIe card into an m.2 socket.

[@dominikbehrendt1934]

I'll actually have to get a pcie sata card because there's too few on am5 boards that are acceptably priced

[@ReZel80657]

@@dominikbehrendt1934 Delock has a number of HBA cards but note that none of them have controllers that are more than x2 so the total bandwidth for any HBA card is only 2000 MB/s total unless you can find a card with more than one controller chip, the SilverStone ECS07 is also another option its an M.2 x4 card with an x2 controller and 5 SATA ports but fits in an M.2 instead of a PCI-E slot

[@Nachokinz]

I'd gladly take more PCIe slots even if it meant they run at slower speed allowing for more efficient use of the PCIe 5 standard via bifurcation. Also more SATA ports... preferably 8 of them.

[@kchaney56]

I have been doing this for 30 years and to hear someone else say what I have been thinking is so refreshing. Thank you

[@internetd33r]

Reminds me in particular of a lot of what's going on in the new car market, all the way from base models up. Companies are no longer selling products for an owner to do work with, they are now selling subscriptions to a limited set of services... that an owner has to balance out by buying even more subscriptions to other competitors who offer the needed features. Owners can no longer get what they need out of any product they buy these days, because companies realized a long time ago that they can earn more off folks by stratifying the utility of any product or service amongst their competitors. They'll do this for as long as they can, make it so we spend more so that they can all earn more. But this is not a new thing, after all it wasn't long ago where you might have had to buy some exorbitant cable plan in order to get the few channels you wanted, all the while wasting hundreds of dollars on channels you'd never ever need. I'm sure other folks can provide their own stories about this.

[@Kirusei]

I miss when boards standard for the current time was affordable and usually ranged around $80-$140

[@jamesg8246]

I built an AM4 system and got a Gigabyte Aorus M board for like $125 just a few years ago.....

[@Coolfwip]

who doesnt...

[@pouuko7656]

Or when you could spend 200$ on a motherboard and get pretty much every single feature you could imagine

[@Alvah707]

I also remember when the best graphics cards on the market you can buy were $500 🙃

[@mryellow6918]

​@@jamesg8246 with pcie 4?

[@stack_overflow]

Frustrating for me these days is that it's hard to find motherboards with enough PCIe slots, as all the lanes have gone off to distant places like M.2 and Thunderbolt controllers. Finding a board with 2 16x slots is rare enough, most of the time the second full length slot is only 8x electrically. I know it's more of a niche use case, but some of us like to add stuff to our computers other than GPUs (high end networking, RAID controllers, etc.)

[@GeeTrieste]

It is confusing when a pcie slot goes dead only to find that's normal because you are using a m.2 slot that uses up its resources.

[@master74200]

Maybe you desire to have WiFi in your desktop PC, but you're not feeling like upgrading your entire setup every year to keep up with wireless network trends. Even upgrading a PCIe component every two years or so doesn't seem too crazy, but these days even being able to _fit_ it let alone find a board that even HAS an additional slot is indeed becoming a nightmare.

[@kenblank7211]

Server and workstation mobos...

[@Tempus0]

That's because of CPU support. For example the AMD Ryzen 7xxx series only supports 24 PCIe 5.0 lanes. If you need more PCIe lanes, you need a workstation or server CPU.

[@stack_overflow]

@@Tempus0 Chipsets have PCIe lanes too

[@sammcj2000]

Honestly the biggest thing I noticed when getting a new AM5 board was that hardly any boards offer enough full length - or even x4 PCIe slots and instead offer completely useless x1 slots.

[@CC-gt3ro]

Not really. Pcie wifi 6/6e works only on x1 slot. If your wifi nvme slot on the mb die then a pcie x1 is your only choice. If you don’t have it, the mb is RIP.

[@Minecraftrok999]

​@@CC-gt3roWhat? That makes absolutely no sense to me. PCIe slot sizes are fully downwards compatible. You can use a 4x card in a 8x or 16x slot no problem. Same for 1x and 2x.

[@mechadeka]

@@CC-gt3ro I can't remember the last time I saw a motherboard that didn't have wi-fi built in.

[@CC-gt3ro]

@@mechadeka the wifi component can stop working, or if the motherboard has no wifi card slot pciexpress and you want futur wifi 7 for example. My mb has 7 years.

[@CC-gt3ro]

@@Minecraftrok999 Apparently that is not the case. Wifi pci card indicates they don’t work on slot other than pciexpress x1. I read that in reviews and mentioned by manufacturers. I haven’t tested it myself because i have a wifi car pciexpress slot and was able to upgrade to wifi 6/6e by removing the chip from the pciexpress x1 card Asus and connecting the external antennas directly to the motherboard. But i remember it is indicated the provided full pci card with the chip inside don’t work on slot other than pcie x1 and i have read that on two manufacturer Asus and Gigabyte because originally i bought an extension card for my pc that did have the motherboard wifi slot card but no card install. (First zen 1 asus crosshair 6 hero wifi ready)

[@Jauffre-innit]

PC brands have basically just groomed people into accepting insane prices for special new features which we will all definitely use every single day

[@AftrBurNr]

The real irony here is that if there weren’t thousands of content creators hyping up PC building, parts, frame rates, etc the manufacturers wouldn’t have the customer base to be able to get away with what they’re doing.

[@M_CFV]

Content creators don't care about repercussions, they only care about the Google ad revenue gravy train

[@aleksandrbmelnikov]

Then blame it on fanboys who only hype one brand. Slanted reviews are what cause over demand for any one product. Just look at the stupidly high prices of EK.

[@kirkmooneyham]

@@aleksandrbmelnikov, oh, I'm so glad someone else gets it. Thank you!

[@legendofzelda2324]

👍

[@l33tninja1]

​@@M_CFVactually I believe the returns on that are dropping horribly so should be interesting to see who continues selling out and who realizes it's worth more to turn on cheap and shady business

[@SpaceMyName]

I remember upgrading to X99 and thinking a $300 motherboard was expensive. It's insane where prices have gotten, and I still can't get 10 regular USB ports.

[@brotherrogue2310]

why would you NEED that when you can get a USB Hub though ?

[@Xenoray1]

@@brotherrogue2310 pcie lanes son.

[@Chrisp707-]

@@brotherrogue2310 you’ve never played a flight sim have you?

[@brotherrogue2310]

@@Chrisp707- I caught ya drift

[@ReZel80657]

I had an X99 with 10 SATA ports sold it to friend that needed a new board and now looking back it was probably one of the last boards that had that many SATA ports maybe other than one of the X99 Rampage boards that had 12 SATA ports

[@mikescomputercorner1204]

Definitely agree , I've seen a sharp rise in Motherboards with there being nothing to cover the basic build for people.. most people want a home computer to do their average daily work plus something they can play their favourite computer game in the evening.. The cost of building a basic system here in Australia with a suitable GPU for 1080P gaming is approaching the $1200 AUD .

[@DGneoseeker1]

I can see another trend going on with these. It looks like in another couple of generations the motherboard heat sinks will block out the sun. Seriously, I'm curious. Does anyone encounter problems fitting in the CPU heatsink without these giant blocks interfering?

[@llothar68]

Yes. And i made such a big mistake to once go away from my Noctia, have not bought another CPU cooler since around 2005 made mistake with BeQuit. It's so fucked up to put this cooler on the CPU and in the case because screws are blocked. Give me Noctua, they know how to design an easy installable fan.

[@DGneoseeker1]

@@llothar68 Any issues with the ram slots? My Titan Fenrir had problems with taking up the same space the ram heat spreaders wanted to.

[@llothar68]

@@DGneoseeker1 Well it was a millimeter tight setting with normal RAMs. If i had any kind of cooler or RBG on them i'm sure i would feel very sorry. Bad again i blame it on the cooler manufactorer. I went back in History via KZbin and find that they use exactly the same design for 15 years now as their premium system. Just changes the screws a little bit. It is lazy and fucking overpriced when you consider that they tell you R&D is so hard and cost money, but they never lower their prices. Fuck this whole industry. Hope my system will be useable for the next 8 years. I'm just a programmer.

[@SHW5010]

It’s comical to see manufacturers touting their amazing leaps and bounds with 350watt processors…

[@AB-80X]

@@SHW5010 There's nothing wrong with powerful processors. if you don't understand what an i9 Raptor Lake is capable of, that's on you. Not all wants the toys from AMD, some of us need a CPU that will do multiple things well for a powerful workstation. Try working with Resolve Studio or Premiere with a 7950X vs a 14900K. That will tell you all you need to know.

[@daffhead4975]

The q-code reader is something that should be on every motherboard. It's not expensive and it helps alot.

[@rangersmith4652]

It's missing from most boards so those who want it are forced into high tiers. There's no other reason.

[@yukisnoww]

@@rangersmith4652 yea, its freakin $2 a piece loose, they can get it

[@webbysaurus2904]

this has been doing my head in, im looking to build a new PC to replace my old i7 8700k build, and if im remembering correctly the motherboard i have in it was considered about mid to high end and cost around $200 to $300 AUD, and now to get similar features (power and reset physical switches, q-code reader, bios flashback button e.t.c), i need to spend $700 to $900 AUD which costs the same or more than the 7800X3D i want to buy.... its just insane

[@allu797]

Problem is then no one would buy the high end models

[@emu071981]

The q-code display started out as a high end niche feature. At the time q-code came out all the other motherboards had just speaker beep codes for diagnosing boot errors. To be perfectly honest, it is still a niche feature that a vast majority of people would never use - I have built 8 systems in the past 8 or so years and I have never once had an issue that a q-code reader would have solved.

[@warholinteractive1526]

Don’t be afraid to do more “cold hard truth” videos J, more truth like this is needed with how crazy priced electronics have become in not even 10 years. So…. It’s needed, and more valuable than you know, so again, keep it up, don’t pull any punches

[@Dvadtsat]

Same thing with cars now. They are forced to come with so many unnecessary bells and whistles that it makes the price of a new car as much as a house used to be

[@eggboy1987]

It amazes me what you said at 16:30. I feel the same way, especially because I'm still using the 990fxa ud3 mobo. Recently decided to build myself a new PC and was completely astounded of the current gen motherboards prices.

[@sourceeee]

I remember back in 2018, you'd be able to get a really nice motherboard with future-proofed (for lack of a better term) features for $200 or less. PC gaming is starting to become a hobby for the rich.

[@blameusa7082]

always was son

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

so dont be poor

[@KillBoyUK]

​@Juan Shaft Patel don't be such a punt

[@laughingduck1000]

@@juanshaftpatel7488 ok mr krabs

[@erich6860]

Yep, I built an AMD system R7 3700X on a Gigabyte B550. The board cost was like 100 bucks, and I can move into a r7 5700X. Which I will do when they come down in price.

[@vitor900000]

You actually don't have to go that far back in time. The B450 Tomahawk that was highly regarded as one of the best AM4 boards of that generation had a cost of ~120$ brand new. And this was in the middle of the pandemic.

[@dodekinderen2066]

it's interesting, when i built my PC with i7 4790, i bought a mobo for 50 euros, MSI B85, ofcourse no OC support, but man finding a B mobo now, is like 3x more

[@jiristefka3177]

​@@dodekinderen2066 well I bought the B450 Tomahawk MAX and I have OC and everything. Serves me well for 3 years now.

[@derruhl5982]

Am4 motherboards were literally going for next to nothing during the pandemic

[@derruhl5982]

Used that is

[@vitor900000]

@@derruhl5982 Nop. As I said a BRAND NEW B450 Tomahawk was going out for ~120$.

[@grimpickins3342]

Most underrated motherboard currently has got to be the proart x670E creator wifi, a good $500+ cheaper then the "extreme extreme " with pretty much all the same stuff

[@Whole_Note]

The last time I bought a Mobo (about a year ago), it was $250. I thought that was pretty up there already. This is insane.

[@AB-80X]

Hate to say it, but that's a lot of gamers for you. You can still buy a nice Z790 Wifi board for about 250 or so, if not even less. Nobody forces anyone to buy that silly 800+ $ crap.

[@DravenC]

I remember when a mere $150 got you a flagship EVGA FTW board (and even with a lifetime warranty that carried over to the RMA replacements.)

[@M_CFV]

The fed can't keep masking the economic state anymore

[@cadewhittlef7185]

Best video in a long time. It is about time somebody starts using their platform to acknowledge all these abusive consumer sales trends.

[@ZOMGbies]

"Inflation within the motherboard manufacturer community" is a kind way to describe blatant price gouging

[@Nigthligth85]

Ty 4 the Links was looking 4 a water cooling block 4 my card

[@vprix2000]

I love how good content creators are trying to push and help people to buy what they NEED, and not what the companies are pushing, or just something that you can flex with, just because of the price tag. Thank you!!!

[@OneOddFellow]

You're like, the ONE person in this enitre comment section who got the point of the video...

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

might as well only eat rice and plain water bcs theyre sufficient

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

pride, aesthetic, looks etc also happiness, they improve your quality of life

[@vprix2000]

@@iikatinggangsengii2471 not sure your comparison is correct. You need a diverse diet, but sellers want you to get stuff you do not need. It feels more like going at the restaurant and you want the steak, but they only sell 3kg pieces, and you are not allowed to take home the rest or share

[@AllBraunZeroBrains]

I’m brand new and looking to drop in the rabbit hole, anyone have some recommendations for channels? I’d appreciate it hella 😭

[@Jwalk9000]

I'm glad this video was finally made. I have been saying this for 3 years. Every company has used excuses to artificially inflate the pricing. When I got my ASUS TUF x570 motherboard about 3 years ago it's price was only just over $200 in Canada.. even threadripper was more affordable than what mainstream is now.

[@addictedtoRS]

There's some pretty good deals going on for motherboards right now. Like here's one on Newegg Canada, ASRock b650m DDR5 for $160 CAD after rebate. I paid $130 CAD for my TUF b450m back in 2020, and with inflation is about the same.

[@kutark]

100% agreed. Even 8 to 10 yrs ago, when the most expensive boards were in the high 200s, i was calling this garbage out. Nowadays, it's gone completely nuts. They're adding in all sorts of low-cost useless components to the boards so they can inflate the price and their profit margins.

[@horrido666]

You can still get good MBs for $200. Chill my friend.

[@Jwalk9000]

@@kutark 10 years that $200 got you top tier chipset, dual GB NIC, 3-4 PCIe x16 slots (x8 in x16 slot), 8-12 gen 3 SATA, 3 or more USB 2.0, at least 1 USB 3.0, 10+ USB on the back IO, and either debug LEDs, or bios readout displays. And baller status. Lol Now, $200 gets you a mid/low end chipset, and barely enough IO to connect the basics.

[@squidwardo7074]

That's only 150 usd how is that expensive?

[@tyrelbaker7265]

Hi, Thanks for the input on Motherboards. I'm currently running Rampage lll Extreme with 980x water cooling. It's to the stage where the my whole system is degrading with time and need to upgrade. I haven't sourced hardware in a few years. This video had some wisdom in it. Will help with starting a new build. Thanks *Subscribed*

[@chad5696]

The worst part of buying a motherboard anymore is getting a digital readout for debugging. It’s so useful and so cheap to add for the manufacturer, yet you basically can’t get one without spending $350+ Lights blinking different colors isn’t user friendly at all, so if there’s an issue with my folks motherboard, it would be nice if they could tell me an error code, rather than trying to find and decoder the blinks

[@GustavoSanabria1977]

Fed up with mobo prices nowadays. Totally agree with you, a board should simply do its job of interconnecting components. Perhaps some cool features on higher end ones, but that's it. The rest is bs. Thanks for your always brutally honest videos bro 👌🏻

[@JustMyFish]

Guys in America are being hit with much higher prices than us in the UK for motherboards for us. It’s the other way round CPUs are the most expensive, probably double that what they are charging in America. I have had CPUs imported from the states to the UK for cheaper than I can get one here.

[@ms3862]

Back in the early 2000s boards were like $80, they had basiclly no color on them and looked like a pcb out of a radio, single layer, heat sinks that looked like chunks of a car radiator a d all the components were placed onto the pcb by hand using Chinese labour that cost 50 cents an hour

[@xpaxpl]

prices is one thing but also the way that features are described by brands makes deciding which one you want almost impossible

[@falcon-ng6sd]

There was a time when a motherboard could be a big factor in the performance of the system, since the chipset contained a DRAM controller and was connected to the CPU bus. Memory controllers have been integrated in PC CPUs for a long time now and CPUs even have some PCIe lanes and other components, so a lot less depends on the chipset.

[@TurboXray]

@@ms3862 They weren't single layer. that was early to mid 90s

[@ErrorMessageNotFound]

I remember when Fry's electronics had weekly specials where you buy a processor & motherboard combo and with the discount it was like you paid full price for the cpu but the motherboard was free.

[@akernan18k]

Yea, Micro Center would do that a lot as well - once upon a time.

[@stepheneddington1667]

Micro Center still does that. Last year during Christmas was when the one near me in St Louis did it.

[@GeorgeN-ATX]

@@justinvanhorne9958 Would you mind explaining the context of what you're talking about in your comment a bit more? I'm afraid I just don't quite understand exactly what you are talking about.

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

All the good stores die off. Somehow Yankee Candle Company exists with $60 candles.

[@fepethepenguin8287]

You from Houston??? Man we had the most huge Fys electro... it was so fun to walk in And.... Yes the Processor, mobo, memory deals were insane... as in. You were not looking at all to buy anything.. but you could not let the deal slip

[@cubicspacestudios]

This video really helped me by the simple fact that you kept it conceptual, in spite of the examples given….I think this really made me a more shrewd shopper/builder

[@anthonykearney608]

I absolutely agree. I'm currently upgrading from an i7 6700k to an r9 7950x3d and when I bought my mono for the i7. The hero was £180. But the hero for the new ryzen is over 3 times the price. So I've limited myself to £350 for a mobo and bought extra ram instead

[@CannedMarmalade]

Insane how post code screens have become so rare now

[@WhisperingDeath]

$500 is the starting point for a motherboard that has a literal $5 post code display. It's criminal.

[@BarstucksCoffee]

@@WhisperingDeath You can probably get 2-digit 7 segment displays for half of that. Steve at Gamers Nexus was right in saying that the lower tier MoBos these days don't have the features (like a 7 segment display) that would be of benefit for their target audience, which is typically first-time/novice builders.

[@johndododoe1411]

The cheapest alternative is 8 red LEDs, each displaying one bit of the post code directly. Still needs the bus interface/chipset pins that provide the 8 bit value, then maybe a chip to amplify the current strength from a few mA to the 20mA needed by low end indicator LEDs (each). Human decoding will be slightly more work, and the postcode table in the BIOS manual will be wider to spell out R_RR R__R instead of B9.

[@WayStedYou]

​@@WhisperingDeath gamers nexus showed the component cost is sub 1 dollar

[@joeblow5214]

I don't like mobos not having it and I don't recommend mobos without it. I may have bricked a $450 mobo without it and it made troubleshooting a breeze.

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

“I’m not mad, just disappointed” one of the most devastating things a kid can hear from their parents.

[@bippu89]

😢 that shit hurt the most

[@RicochetForce]

Yup, the disappointment is way worse than the anger. It's a much more profound pain.

[@PaulaXism]

I'm still trying to work out which is worse.. Understanding the Kilngon or being a disgrace to the Empire..

[@MyHolidayArchive]

It's the same with power supplies too. Most cost over £100 now. The top Corsair AX1600i is around £500 brand new.

[@Mark_badas]

Why would you ever need a 1600 Watt PSU ? 850 watt is the most a normal computer would ever need.

[@NeonNion]

@@Mark_badas That's factually incorrect. Very high end fully water-cooled OC PC's do consume more than that. Likely not by high margins, but they do. Secondly, you do want to have headroom.

[@NicolaiLaquaglia]

Thank you for this video! There needs to be a correction in prices and sku.

[@JockMcBile]

I've always looked at mid-tier boards. Then checked between the 4 or so I'd select to see which had enough SATA 6 and today, NVME. Hilarious thing is, if You think prices are crazy in America, they're insane in Canada, Australia and UK.

[@jodiepalmer2404]

Yes, agree with that. 😭😭😭😭

[@LupusAries]

Or Germany for that matter.....

[@MarwinEwert]

You guys are fine, go see the prices we are paying in Brazil. And most of them doesn't have the WiFi variant here, or at least there's never stock/prices are insanely higher than the normal board

[@johnmeneses7039]

And Far worse in NZ than across the ditch in Oz. Motherboards are bad enough, but don't even mention Graphics cards, it makes me sick!!

[@Xesh001]

Indeed. Rip-off Britain is alive and well! Generally I've found prices here have the standard conversion rate of one US dollar to one GB pound! This means UK pricing is about 25% higher than in the US!

[@chrischaf]

I've been seeing this kind of trend ever since ddr4 *magically* didn't drop in price after it'd been out for a year. Setting new standards for how much the industry could gouge the customer.

[@thenonexistinghero]

Has been a while that rather than old products drastically dropping in price, they just release new products at higher prices. And not just for PC parts.

[@redlimes4808]

​@@thenonexistingheroto be fair, technology is not obsoleted the way it was back in the day. DDR5 is not much better than DDR4

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@redlimes4808 I do suppose that's also true. Tech has become so good and fast that 2x or more performance isn't even noticable or needed by most people. High-end phones used to be much faster than anything else... but also still fairly affordable, going for like $600-$800 for a while. But now even mid-end phones are so fast most people won't even notice any difference with high-end phones. Even the starter level mid-end phones that go for like $300-$400.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

@@thenonexistinghero I literally go for phones that are closer to 100 bucks each, forgo the case and if I drop it and break it and buy a new one I'm STILL paying less than somebody buying even a new 300-400 dollar phone every other year. I also don't see the point in having "gaming" phones or playing games on my phone anyway, if I'm sitting somewhere and need my phone to kill time I probably have my steam deck and can play "real" games anyway, and with the money I didn't pay extra for the phone I can easily afford a steam deck.

[@raifthemad]

@@SherrifOfNottingham Never bought a phone in my entire life. Am using an old nokia as a morning alarm clock and watch mostly, maybe make a phone call a month. Never felt the need to have a phone.

[@MikeyDunn]

My last upgrade was in 2012, an i5 2500k, Asus P8Z68-V, 8GB of DDR3 1600, for just under £300. To replace it today with an i5 13600k, Asus Prime Z790-P (DDR5), and 32GB of DDR5-5600, I'm looking at nearly £700, plus a new cooler, an M.2 SSD, Win11, etc. Nevermind that current mo-bo's seem to stop at only 4x sata ports, so I'd need new, larger storage drives, and I've not even considered a GPU, or even a new PSU! Today's prices are just nucking futs.

[@jefftraboulsy8631]

The irony of the guy trying to explain why components got so expensive, not realizing people like him are literally the reason.

[@youwotmate7705]

Hey Jay, I think what catches so many of us out is just how vocal these brands are about what features are on their boards but say nothing about what kind of audience that specific product is aimed at. It'd be nice if you made a video breaking down the different parts and features found on modern motherboards and explained which ones are relevant and why, and what kind of demographic would be interested in them. Haven't seen anyone else doing it like that and It'll probably help clear up a few misconceptions people have when entering the hobby.

[@joshuaaguayo3278]

This ^^^

[@PineyJustice]

I upgraded to an x670e board and 7950x in large part for quad m.2 drives in addition to some of the other x670e specifics, the pcie gen 5 doubles chipset bandwidth and guarantees that the board will live to the end of AM5 socket as a good useful board. I value data storage, run multiple boot drives and make heavy use of them for code compiling, video transcoding and storage, in addition to a massive 3tb+ steam library.

[@BillyBob-oi9kl]

Great comment. I am just recently getting into this, and it would be very helpful to have a video that explains all of this stuff.

[@CougarMagnum29]

I second that

[@myne00]

Was "Elite Ultra Gaming Max Pro GTX FTW ROG WTF BBQ HAX LOL" not enough of a hint for you?

[@aaronlabarre501]

That adjusted for inflation price on the 990fx board killed me on the spot, hard to believe we've had 30% inflation since I bought that exact board

[@gamingonwindowslinux1934]

I actually still have 2 of those 990fx boards, I’m still running an fx8350 and 9590 on two of my small scale Minecraft servers I host for my buddies. But yeah the only decent pricing I’ve found on mo-boards is via surplus. I HIGHLY recommend looking at surplus right now. I bought two two super micro boards coupled with 24 core EPYC cpus for under 900 dollars, about the best price I’ve found. Of course if you don’t need server solutions maybe not the best option for you. But I’ve seen some solid mid tier gaming systems running on older Xeon e-5 chips so some things are still possible. Just depends on your application for them.

[@johnmichaels4330]

Thank the democrats in America. Where the US goes, so does the rest of the world. Happens everytime those people get in charge.

[@spaceguy.x]

@@johnmichaels4330 nah, the United States banks and corporations are just completely negligent when handling money. That’s why the world is looking to separate from the US dollar. They know another mismanagement of funds (which is inevitable) will cause ANOTHER global financial crisis…probably much worse than 2008. Corpos panicked during the pandemic and the government gave them money to prevent collapse since they spent it all on stock buybacks…and that’s exactly what they’ve done again. They’d rather fire you and I, give themselves bonuses and golden parachutes, then convince you it’s anyone except for them. It’s a house of cards built on monumental amounts of debt and imaginary money. It doesn’t matter who’s in charge because the financial sector has free reign to plunge our economy once again. I mean, you’re literally seeing it now with the prices of new pc components. Businesses have free reign to charge an arm and a leg while consumer credit debt rises into the trillions.

[@azwris]

@@johnmichaels4330 This inflation is being called "Inflation of the Greedy". There's no reason for this outrageous raise in the prices in the post-Covid era. They just steal us more and more.

[@Bonanzaking]

@@johnmichaels4330 numnuts we’re literally 4 presidents for 4 in a row hitting the money printer. Including papa trump. Take off the rosé tinted glasses.

[@Chiromulus]

Well done Jay! Well said! Someone had to say this, otherwise no one would have!

[@robertpearson8546]

If the motherboard manufacturers would replace the 12-phase 1920-vintage VRM with a 2-phase 2011 VRM they would improve efficiency, reduce cost, free up board space, and eliminate the single-FET destroys CPU failure mode.

[@marlonlyn2719]

Ironically, the statement "You get what you paid for" is arguably what got us to this situation.

[@mindsettek1806]

Jay thank you for making this video! My last build I did was of Z77/Z87 era and have spent the last few months slowing buying parts for my new 13th gen build. Back in the day a $300 motherboard was top of the line with every feature you could want and need and you could actually make it personal with color options, not just black or white and not everything had to look more gaming looking with the more features you wanted. I hope manufacturers watch your video and actually listen.

[@pyromethious]

Still running said Z77 :p

[@mindsettek1806]

@@pyromethious I did for 10 years, and I think that should really show how infrequently people do really need to upgrade opposed to the frequency that manufactures persuade us we need to. But that also can be based off use case .In the last I would say few generations at least from intel, it’s the first time to actually upgrade which is why I’m building a new build. Because since the introduction of sandy-bridge it’s the change we have had making it worth while. To each their own. GPU’s are a different conversation.

[@jasonmetcalfe4695]

thanks for highlighting exactly how out of touch I am with newer technology, I only recognised the first 2 boards you mentioned

[@cageordie]

I was pretty surprised by the prices last time I shopped for motherboards, but I looked at the specs and ended up with two MSI PRO Z690-A which were $190 on Amazon when I checked a few minutes ago. I couldn't see what I'd be getting from the expensive motherboards which I actually wanted or needed. I built 13th generation i7 and i9 machines and both have been working fine. I use more drives in the i9 box than I had ports for, but I moved the SATA PCIe card over from the previous system and solved that issue. Same thing with USB, I have a USB-C card I used to get more ports. Huh, it's been about a year since I built those.

[@GahloWake]

It's frustrating too, because I was helping my friend spec out a potential build in the future and he's just drawn to the x670-e Strix and asks why I didn't suggest that over the b650 TUF. I gave him a tired look and said "Because you'd be paying twice as much for basically no meaningful improvement to put into a case that's going to have a tinted glass panel."

[@dakrawnik4208]

if he's drawn to the X670E like you say then who are you to say otherwise?

[@AM23.]

Tinted glass panel 😂

[@GahloWake]

@@dakrawnik4208 The person he comes to because I know what I'm talking about and can remind him that spending a quarter of his budget on a motherboard is fucking dumb.

[@GodDragonLich]

@@dakrawnik4208 A good friend who knows what they are talking about and knows that money can be spent somewhere else on the build.

[@StolenJoker84]

@@GodDragonLich Not to mention that the friends questioned was “Why this over that?” It’s good to have a friend who - as you said - knows what they’re talking about, but I will add that said friend shouldn’t be afraid to be honest and tell you when something is just a crap idea and there’s better options for you … but will support you even if you choose the crappy option anyway.

[@zedxspecturm4698]

I remember buying H series motherboards for 1150/1155 for extreme budget builds for like 40$. while I never expect to see that price for a new board again, its insane how much more they are.

[@Agrabelek_Michal_K]

Im remember those ultra low prices too 👍😉

[@Vrory77]

And when High-End gamimg PC cost around 1.500$ while a high-end Mohterboard costed around 120$

[@MJ-uk6lu]

But back then CPUs were consuming like 40 watts and were rated for 65. On AMD side, you could basically see modern motherboard market and by that I mean cheap boards with craptastic VRMs that can't remotely handle power demands, terrible cooling, underdeveloped UEFI and so on. To get perfectly functional AM3+ PC you needed to spend quite a bit of money on board with good VRMs just for using with stock speeds (even more so if you wanted to run 220 watt chips, which in reality were 260-280 watt). If you wanted to overclock, besides Giga 970 UD3P everything else was 200+ USD and if you wanted something that overclocked really well it was 400+ USD. Now CPUs consume even more power if not limited and we pay higher prices just to run PC at stock speed. The real enemy is growing wattage of CPUs and frankly it needs to stop. 65 watts with 95 watt boost is perfectly fine, if chip is too crap with those limits, it just shouldn't exist.

[@RicardoSantos-oz3uj]

Greed. Greed never changes.

[@xfy123]

​@@MJ-uk6lumy man I'd be totally fine to go back to the pre UEFI bios days, like 90% of bios today are stupidly cluttered with settings hidden behind a dozen menus and some random marketing gimmick names for certain features.

[@user-ft1he5vp8s]

Luv ur videos dude but how about that tv in the background? Is it overclocked and AIO cooled?

[@TheEpitom3]

Appreciating your educational content! I'm in the process of building (aka swapping out new parts piece by piece to build a new computer) and your videos have been super helpful. MOBO/CPU are my next step and yeah it's a confusing place to be. Thanks for helping!

[@lexzbuddy]

FANTASTIC video. You nailed it here. There is no "value" version of anything at the moment, it's all such a con. The PC industry needs a reality check. Great piece you have done here.

[@mahius19]

I'm glad that Jay is also covering this, same way Steve [GN] is. This has been annoying me for the past several years and is perhaps one the biggest reasons why I haven't built/upgraded my PC since 2015. There's no motherboard out there that I feel is worth buying, none of them seem to be on par or much better than my decent motherboard from 2015. Sure SLI isn't a thing anymore, but other useful features like the error code panels are essential for folks building at home. I hleped my pal build a few years back and it was tricky fixing issues without one.

[@ferinzz]

my aio cooler cracked a seal and killed my PSU not long ago and I was kind of forced to upgrade my 10 year old system. Shopping for the right mobo was just awful. I remember looking at what was available last time I needed a new one and it was so easy to get something with enough i/o. Nowadays that's a premium? Like they've gone backwards. Good luck getting everything hooked up if you have more than a keyboard and a mouse.

[@xpeacemaster]

@@Kekmit hell the low end stuff worked great and lasted at least the 40k hours it was rated for

[@brodriguez11000]

I upgraded because caps aren't forever, especially in the numbers motherboards use them.

[@pilsplease7561]

@@ferinzz I dont like AIO coolers they have all been less efficient and break faster than an air cooler.

[@ferinzz]

​@@pilsplease7561 this one was pretty good. had it for 8 years. All in all it was a good purchase. The advantage of water cooling is that you can pull fresh air directly over the cpu rad instead of getting secondhand air from the gpu. Not necessarily cooling effectiveness.

[@austinharding9734]

im glad i found this vid, made me feel lil better bout my decision for my 1st build, which was the 1st you recemmended the asus tuf, i got the DDR5 ver. and its the same price you said for ddr4(be fair tho this vid is over a year old now) was considering that MSI board too but i dont like rhe whole one heatsink fits all idea, and honestly within individual series, like i was looking for a z790, they differ in features by a very min. margin, yet the prices differed enormously and yes its bs they are ALL trading pci express slots for space for m.2 connectors, which take up more space! please mind the spelling i havnt set uo my autocorrect yet, jist dont relize how mich you needed something untill its gone😭

[@TheSpanishmuscle]

Great video. You hit the nail on the head Jay. These companies are doing this because "they can" no other reason at all. They push up their margin because people keep paying for it. Same as GPUs..

[@kingeryck1]

Same with EVERYTHING these days.

[@jraulc]

@@kingeryck1 That must stop, the same with Software, requirements, licensing models, etc... I'm moving from macos and windows to linux on apple hardware to stay away from the trend...

[@ArtisChronicles]

​@@jraulc I hope gog eventually adds Linux support, but I do realize that would be a daunting task considering how old some of those games are.

[@superrob1500]

The Q-Code thing isn't even an expensive thing to add, yet if you want it, you have to shop in the $300+ category for something that should be widely available on midrange boards.

[@urametroid]

Considering that it's based on a diagnosis feature that almost every motherboard has and can be accessible with $10 diagnosis post card.

[@UriPhoneCracker]

My mobo cost $130 and has one

[@lom2981]

Most manufacturers q-codes aren’t helpful anyway. Old ASUS extreme and deluxe boards were actually helpful for OC though

[@H4ML_Aplek]

My first build was an Z97X-UD5H from Gigabyte with and 4790k. This motherboard had an M.2 PCiE Slot and a Q-Code Reader an dedicated Power Button on the board, dual BIOS, 6 Fan Headers and it cost like 150 Euros back than. It was pretty much Highend in my opinion but also affordable. Nowdays i got an B550 Pro from gigabyte and ill dont got Dual Bios, no Q-Code Reader, no Power Button and it is pretty much Mid Range for the same price (inflation adjsuted)

[@liboud22]

@@UriPhoneCracker Yeah? Which model? which chipset?

[@SomeguyinLife]

Glad I came across this video I’m doing research on my first pc build and I was under the impression that the most expensive parts were gonna be my you and cpu and when I dove more into it, I was surprised by how many mother boards there are and how expensive they could get and was thinking I need to respect my budget and was frustrated.

[@sergeykrutiyenko5244]

Now that was super useful! Thank u

[@mRibbons]

I've been running the cheapest x570 for a few years now, Gigabyte x570 UD... I think it was like $120ish. It felt bad buying bottom tier... but it's 100% functional and never let me down. Good purchase.

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

the x470 Gigabyte gaming wifi 5 is decent and the other one I have is X570 Gigabyte Aorus elite +wifi. both were less than 160 CAD used(250+ new ... still decent). both are the top end chipset with many additional features .new boards adding only pcie 5.0 or extra chipsets are super silly to have such a price increase.

[@laowai2000]

Nice... On a 2nd hand X570 Tuf Gaming:) Works a treat!

[@jakob_z]

When I built my Ryzen 1600 system in 2018, the motherboard only costed by $68, and the only probelm I've ever had was that it didn't have a second M.2 slot... so I payed 12 dollars to buy a M.2 to PCIe x4 adapter. And I could've gotten cheaper if I didn't care about looks

[@mRibbons]

@@jakob_z Word. My only complaint is my x570 only has 1 m.2 slot like yours. PCIE 4.0 has been 100% worthless to me. A x470 with a second m.2 would have been cheaper and better for my uses... although 16gigs of 3600 dual channel ddr4 has been 😙👌 perfecto.

[@suicidebxmber1234]

20 years ago I worked in a small computer store. Mostly we sold ROM drives, printers and other peripherals, but I did learn a bit about the other aspects of a PC. Over time, I became the go-to reference for all my family and friends thinking of buying a PC, but likewise over time I drifted further and further away from this subject to the point that my last 2 computers (before the one I'm using right now) were laptops that I didn't pay much attention to when buying them. When my last laptop began to show signs of age, I decided to build a PC for the first time in about 15 years. I knew that I was rusty and that I would have to soak up everything related to this again, but I never imagined that the MB would become a component that I would have to spend so much time on, not to discern which was the best, but to find the most austere. I don't doubt that there are MBs designed for more specific uses and that, perhaps, they are worth what they cost, but you are absolutely right; suddenly, under the pretext that everything is "gamer" many manufacturers are raising the cost dramatically without a genuine reason other than to get the most money out of buyers' pockets.

[@robertficek7586]

Still trying to wrap my head around what makes a "high end motherboard" in today's market. Power delivery and stability are the most critical so what else is needed?

[@canadian0099]

The thing that holds me back from making a custom PC that I can upgrade and change over time is the cost of parts and not being the most tech savvy. Been wanting to build one for a while now after not having a desktop for over 17 years.

[@orthancstone]

The timing on this hits me hard, as I've been taking an initial look at starting a new build. I haven't shopped motherboards for a gaming box since 2017, and just seeing so many mobos starting around $250-$300 (and climbing) shocked me. Clearly I've been ignoring pricing outside of the graphic card market. As you put it, there's something nuts about potentially spending more money on the motherboard than the processor itself!

[@Freemasons1732]

I have only bought 2 prebuilts, but just this week i spoiled myself with a new MOBO and CPU. Its funny cause i bought the exact same MSI mpg EDGE he has here with an i5 13600k and its great. Over the past 2 years since i bought my second IBP prebuilt i have replaced everything except the GPU. It was surprisingly easy, but working with such expensive fragile parts adds allot of doubt.

[@gusrojo88]

Shocking how things have changed so quick. My build was around 700 to 800 (i didn't really keep track of it) when I built it, but nowadays thats the price of only one component!

[@Targonis1]

Going "overkill" on the motherboard or video card is where much of the price increases come from. Top end consumer CPU in 2017 was in that $500 range. Top end consumer CPU did go up from there, but double the number of CPU cores will push up prices a bit, or you can stick to an 8-core CPU(ignoring those pathetic E-cores from Intel). Video cards are quite a bit more, but 8GB VRAM cards in 2017 to 24GB VRAM cards that are double the physical size. But, going to something like a RTX 4090 seems a bit excessive.

[@thirtyacres7504]

It all started when Nvidia decided to price the GTX 580 at $499. I remember it vividly. Since then, price shot up. This isn't about supply chain, COVID, or inflation. It's artificial inflation prices as Jay pointed out.

[@unrealmagic6519]

Yeah well a 1996 BMW M3 was also cheaper brand new than the new 2023 M3 so that kind of makes sense

[@joebenson528]

@@thirtyacres7504 The supply chain "issues" and the Flu were also examples of artificial inflation. -One is- Both are caused by everything being made in China (including that "bug").

[@justinfloyd8452]

Found this really insightful, thank you.

[@robertdoell4321]

Thank You for the honesty which is so rare today. The manufacturers are really sticking it to us.

[@CpnCrunch211]

This is why I love microcenter's cpu+motherboard bundles/open box section. I've gotten some great deals with mobos thanks to them. Current pricing is nuts otherwise.

[@benjaminwlang]

That's how I did my latest build.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Wish we had that here.

[@depaja]

Same here, I love Microcenter. I also had the Gigabyte FX motherboard he is talking about, it's still chugging along. I did pick up the X570S MAG TOMAHAWK at with the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X and I love the combo. Hassle free and works great. I'm very happy to have a Microcenter 10 miles from my home.

[@Pidalin]

And are those MBs the same as they sell separately? Because many companies have their special bioses where half of settings (especially OC) is missing, that's why MB taken out from some DELL or HP PC is mostly worthless if you don't want it just as office PC.

[@vwbug1975]

​@@Pidalin They are retail standard boxed versions and no options have been removed.

[@rickbrookes9491]

My first true gaming PC that I built myself, was a Pentium 4. The motherboard I bought was the first that moved from Rambus to DDR… it cost me about $100 bucks. This was an expensive board. I had gotten AMD boards for $50-$75 dollars. The cost of PC parts, most especially GPUs, just blow my mind…

[@codygrinnell8676]

my 1st true gaming conouter had a old FX-8130 on a gigabyte ud3 board.... I then upgraded to a FX 8350 which my brother currently has

[@KMichiyu]

I instantly recognized that MSI board as I used to have that one too! My system was replaced just a year ago as it really started to struggle after 11 years of loyal service.

[@Salaundre]

I noticed that Mother Boards are getting crazy expensive. The one I bought this time is a Prime vs. the ROG I got 7 years ago for $279. This other one I got new doesn’t come with the same amount of USB ports as my old board similar price for less.

[@dirkymcdirkyface4851]

Last September I replaced a six year old 6600K system with a 5600X/B550. The CPU cost £200 and the MB (MSI A Pro) was £85. Don't regret it at all. A month later replaced the 1060 with a 6700XT and don't regret that either. More than powerful enough for all I use it for including 1440p gaming.

[@marcopfeiffer3032]

I still use a 4790k daily on a z97i itx motherboard. It cost 110€ back then. I thought it was expensive but I wanted the wifi, the usb 3, the overclocking and it even has an m.2 slot (in 2013). That thing was (and still is) awesome.

[@Pasi123]

4790K and Z97 are from 2014. M.2 was introduced in November 2013 but there wasn't any boards with it until 2014 when H97/Z97 came out

[@carlwillows]

Ha, same here. My daily is also a 4790k on an itx mobo. Uses less than 50w of power for most basic tasks. (I do have a separate gaming pc tho)

[@rolandgeorges960]

I used the same combination, the motherboard did not have a M.2 slot, nevertheless, I purchased a PCIE adapter and running the latest Samsung SSD 990 Pro 2TB on it on full speed. Most get confused about technical terms, DDR 5 can still not saturate a PCIE gen 3 slot; you will have the same speed as DDR 5, same with the latest GPU's. My reason to build recently a new system, is the 32 GB on RAM limitation that the old board has, nevertheless, the old Granny is still going strong without any hick-ups.

[@marcopfeiffer3032]

@@Pasi123 Then it might have been from 2014. It has been awhile ;) I just remember informing myself about it and thinking that i probably won't need it.

[@DFalco-nz5tl]

I’ve been out of the pc component game for about 6-7 years now, I recently went to put together a simple build for making stuff in Cricut and maybe playing Minecraft for my wife and I was confused as hell as to why I couldn’t find a mobo in the 50-80 range

[@spike178]

Obviously ripping customers off...

[@zdspider6778]

This was an important video to make. Thank you for addressing this issue. How tf did we get from $70 motherboards to $250+? 15:55 EXACTLY! THANK YOU! 16:34 Artificially inflated, yeah.

[@HeisenbergFam]

Terrible trends plaguing humanity is a timeless classic

[@VITAS874]

Or degradation and "listen to fools"

[@randymueller2349]

Great perspective on the plethora of Motherboard Choices. I recently decided to update the innards of my HTPC Silverstone GD07 Case using a i9 PC Build Bundle from Micro Center knowing that they had already done the research of which Key Components work well together, I chose to run a DeepCool LS520 High-Performance Liquid CPU Cooler with the Radiator mounted externally on the right side and 3 be quiet! Silent Wings Pro 4 120mm PWM 3000 RPM Premium Low Noise Cooling Fans mounted across the bottom front, I reused my existing Corsair CX750M 750W 80 Plus Modular Power Supply & MSI geforce gtx 1050 ti aero itx 4g oc GPU, I'm very pleased with my renewed HTPC. FYI, I'm not a Gamer, I gave that up with Mario Bros in the early 90's. Randy AKA randog311

[@perezcristian13cp]

11:34 omg, we got an MSI Tomahawk motherboard and it was sticky too! Idk why lol

[@clay4816]

Motherboard features that I look for are bios flashback, dual bios would be nice, I actually really like the Q code readouts, and I will look for reviews on how well the motherboard handles power delivery.

[@SenileOtaku]

One thing I would like to see is BIOS upgrades that **don't** f**k around with your existing settings (that means *YOU*, MSI) just because they decided to grovel before Microsoft rather than consider the needs of their customers. As in, if I have (in)Secure Boot DISabled, it should stay that way, and if the rarely-used MSWin partition is not currently the default boot (or for that matter, isn't in the list of active UEFI boot options at all), then do NOT switch it to the primary boot option.

I bought my first new desktop PC in over 20 years last week, and was surprised by the prices on the motherboards, thank you for bringing this up.

[@gintautassimkus4389]

I picked Asrock B550M Pro4 for my build less than a year ago for ~100, and indeed I remember options going more than twice that, and when you start researching what you are paying for, you rarely find anything useful for yourself for that extra money. My features requirements were basically 2 M.2 slots and decent sound, which I got both, and it seems it got plenty of heat sinks which look pretty sick too, its nice to have that bling kind of for free 🤣 EDIT: also I did the benchmarks (userbenchmark site and software) and all the components perform as expected or better (3060 ti and AMD 3600 cpu build), so the MB did its job - its connecting components correctly and not bottle-necking it. I don't see how I would get better performance had I spent 250 or 300 instead of 120 I think it was), as they already perform as they should.

[@dinod-americaninthephilipp9238]

When I lived in the USA, for a new build I never paid more then $130.00 USD for a motherboard. You can also buy a USB to wifi adapter.

[@tvih84]

Almost always bought basically the cheapest possible motherboard with the features I wanted (generally meaning having 4 memory slots and such) and never really had any problems because indeed as long as you can plug in what you need then that's that. Never understood the crazy-priced ones.

[@trulsrohk1]

up to a point they used to make some sense when they were the only chipsets for overclocking and you could actually wring out 20% + overclocks. Anymore when at best you're going to get something like a 10% overclock anyways it doesn't make any sense to do anything besides just buying the cheapest thing possible that's going to do what you want it to

[@robertmusil1107]

It's priced so high to make money from idiots.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

Until you buy one with terrible VRMs that can't handle CPU in games at stock speed without severe throttling. Then you realize that maybe expensive boards aren't all that dumb after all.

[@ChrisM541]

@@trulsrohk1 Today's CPU's are now pre-overclocked, so there's no need to go there today. Any meagre gain you might get will be immediately depressed by the significantly extra power/energy usage/costs required.

[@EmoEmu]

I'm at a point where the thing I might care most about when shopping for a motherboard is having lots of USB ports and m.2 sockets. Oh, and if I can avoid having a chipset fan, that's brilliant.

[@FrazzleCat]

Absolutely this. I'm out of USB ports so I had to get a hub; turns out, I'm hot swapping the last port on the 4 (functionally actually 3) port hub. And storage? I have 4 or 5 drives and could definitely use another m.2.

[@superskrub4209]

What's wrong with a USB hub? Each USB port is designed to host up to 127 devices and they're cheap, modular and replaceable

[@OneTrueRicky]

That was really the only reason I got my Asus ROG Strix B760-A motherboard, compared 8t to the price of the z790 stuff that was in the $300-400 range and was like nahh, just give me USB ports (for streaming) and make it white to match my build

[@greenman8]

Why in the world, would the manufacturers install non replaceable fan or a fan that is proprietary to the particular mother-board? It might make sense if they partnered with a company that focuses on fans, like Noctua, having them supply 25mm (or whatever size that is available, by itself)

[@FrazzleCat]

@@superskrub4209 I have a hub, but that's just yet-another-hardware device laying next to the PC or resting on top of the PC or on the desk. I don't like the extra clutter. But yeah, I'm in the situation where I could use another hub already..

[@haroon420]

You know that something is expensive when suddenly you start remembering exact specification of it. Back in the days, a motherboard was a motherboard. Nowadays, you have to list it as part of the specs of a build!

[@garnetgun]

Thanks for addressing this issue. I haven't built a PC since 2016 or so. I started looking at current components available to configure a new build and was shocked at the prices of CPU and Board. Core i3 are selling at the price point of an unlocked i5 😅😅😅 ₹8000-12000 was the sweet spot for boards up untill a few years back, most people didn't need anything costly than that. Now it's just a mess.

[@SideswipePrime606]

That's when I built mine, too. Insane how much CPUs and Boards have gone up in price in such a short time.

[@unforgivn82]

Built mine in 17, after looking at current market I have decided to keep motherboard and CPU and just upgrade memory and GPU. Should be good for a few more years before it's totally obsolete and I can do it for like 350 bucks vs spending 2k just to be in the ballpark of a mud grade build. Unreal.

[@dustingray2471]

$1200 is typically the budget for the whole system. prices are absolutely insane now a days why I'm still rocking a old 1080ti

[@everythingpony]

No, that's typically a budget of one part

[@CC-gt3ro]

The 1080ti was costing 700$ at start. I bought it nearly 7 years ago. But the power of 4090 in term of cuda cores is 4.6x. So 1600$ is reasonable to me. 1200$ for rtx 4080. It is a prosumer card for video/rendering 3d/games. Adding inflation to that, 1200$ is the price.

[@CC-gt3ro]

Rtx 5090 32GB will be 1800$ at least and 1600$ for 24GB. This is my bet. But i will target probably a rtx5080 or 5080ti to replace my 1080ti that will have well served for 8 years in 2025. I bet rtx 5080 will be 1200$.

[@seigeengine]

$700 in 2017 when the 1080ti came out is $875 now. Meanwhile, 4090s are $1600. Blistery dickery if you want two.

[@CC-gt3ro]

@@seigeengine the 4090 have vastly more power. it is normal it is far more expensive. I have no issues with the price.

[@reubenmorris487]

I spent almost $400 on an ASrock z68 motherboard back in 2012 and one of the memory controller pins on the CPU socket went bad. The only thing I did was install a Coolermaster Hyper 212 cooler. I packed the case in the original box, moved, and then when I set it up again, it wouldn't POST. ASrock didn't help me at ALL - they took it, and just sent it back to me. Took years to figure out what was wrong with it...my very first build.

[@Penguun]

On my current setup, I'm using 5 of the USB slots on the back just for peripherals, which leaves 1 left. I also have no type c on mine for my external ssd so I need to use a type a connector for it. When I got my motherboard, the same motherboard, but with a type c and 1-2 more type a ports was an extra $50. So now I'm just planning on spending $10-20 to get a pci adapter to type c and type a on the back, and im going to spend $10 for a usb type E to usb type c cable and 3d print a mount for it to the front of my case so i can have an added 3.2 usb c cable for my external drive. So either spend $50 on 1 type c, and 1-2 type a ports, or spend $20-30 and get 2 type c and 2 type A ports. All of which will likely be faster than the $50 option.

[@curtismariani6303]

I think choosing the right motherboard is arguably now the hardest part of a build. Trying to get a decently priced motherboard with a Q code display is really tough. The manufacturers have so many different ranges which in its self must increase cost, not to mention keeping on top of the software.

[@xiiibujinkan]

Thank you Jay for pointing this out. I think a lot of people have gotten numb to inflated pricing. I also agree completely with everything you said in this video. It's arrogance of the manufacturers to keep the pricing of a motherboard way above reasonable pricing. Just like team green is learning, consumers will eventually dictate reasonable pricing, with allowing stores to keep plenty of inventory. Aka not buying their shhhhhtuf. Thanks for continuing to educate what common sense consumers should consider before blowing their wad prematurely, on overpriced wares. I've been an ROG fan since the crosshair III. It's sad to think, I simply can't afford to be an ASUS consumer anymore, and I'm a 50 yo.

[@raven4k998]

yeah I mean if they are going to have the balls to ask for more for a motherboard they should be giving you more like that motherboard shown at 4:28 you get more ram slot more cpu's sockets and more pci-e slots unlike the pointless motherboard for 1200 and it has one cpu socket and four ram slots and two pci-e slots it's like why would it have to cost that much for that pathetic allowance of features🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lilkwarrior5561]

Team green (Nvidia) is learning? Uh… did you see Nvidia's quarterly earnings. They're doing more than fine merely missing their RECORD revenue by 20%. They made record revenue during the pandemic. They have GPUs that are in a league of their own. What the hell did they learn?

[@wombat5252]

It'll never come back down in pricing because people continue to pay it and don't care. That's the problem. Blame them, not the company because they want more profits. Blame the idiots paying these ridiculous prices.