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[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Awesome. Very excited to see what's coming and how it will perform.

[@planetfolly]

TLDW; man who's job it is to make toast, enjoys benefits of new toaster, 40% improvement in toast output. ** ** toaster now overclockable

[@blacksama_]

There is a lot to learn from you thanks for this video.

[@jannikmeissner]

This is getting excited! I am planning to replace my 1920X powered deep learning workstation with a Threadripper Pro 5000 system, so super hyped to finally see content on it.

[@Marin3r101]

I'm sure you are. So much so, that you said screw grammar.

[@jannikmeissner]

@@Marin3r101 haha, true - it was also already quite late in Germany; I guess I shouldn't comment half asleep

[@technikchaot]

@@jannikmeissner A Problem I know very well. I'm from Germany too and often enough I'm after 2 A.M on YT and write garbage. Now it is only short after 0 so I hope my comments aren't that bad, but I have the additional problem that I'm really bad in languages in general. Difficult science is ok, difficult technology as well, but languages? Not my case.

[@spuchoa]

I need more than 128 GB of Ram but no more than 256 GB. I need a product in between. Great video Wendell!!

[@ryanfav]

Thank you very much for covering this segment of the market, I do Terapixel Panoramas, think combining 70,000 to 150,000 images into 1, currently on a 3970X with max memory and been sitting on the fence for upgrading for more memory and PCIe for storage, It hits my computer in ways that very few benchmarks can, think memory, storage and compute limited all at the same time as different cores get through different parts of there workload,

[@liaminwales]

That sounds super cool, must have some fun problems to solve on the computer to get it done.

[@sebastianguerraty6413]

if you can please share more info, sounds really interesting :D (also if storage is an issue, wouldn't a P5800x be also a good investment? since they are discontinued now you might be able to find one at a more modest price)

[@ewenchan1239]

Sounds like you need an AMD EPYC CPU.

[@tooitchy]

niche af, but damn that's taxing.

[@MrAtomUniverse]

@@ewenchan1239 I think he will be better off with a cloud provider.

[@rudyossanchez]

Increasing engagement boost!

[@dexter2433]

love the catchup and mustard cables in the $10000 rig

[@RickMyBalls]

catchup...

[@gnydick]

Goddamn it! I just bought the 5975 and have the Sage motherboard. I spoke with Asus support and they guaranteed to me that with 5000 the overclocking would be enabled.

[@Fee.1]

You are my hero. You’re who I’d have been if I wasn’t a loser

[@shadowarez1337]

It's on Amazon $4,165.04 now to wait till it arrives. And scratch that Asus sage thank you Wendell going asrock for the rare occasion I fire up a game 🤣. Finally having more then enough PCIe lanes feels like flood gates opening and new possibilities no longer will o be starved for PCIe lanes 👍

[@user-xh5pi2nf9q]

I think AMD could definitely do something to fill the gap. 7950X that has more PCIe lanes for my expansion cards would do it for me!

[@raven4k998]

Todays the day!!!!

[@mikebutler9332]

Thank you for looking at this. As a grad student who does computational physics, threadripper was a low cost (relative to performance) and easy choice for my workstation. It seems these parts have moved into a different tier. Hopefully we see future HEDT options inbetween the 5950X tier and this going forward like you mentioned. Quad channel is actually a big deal for my workload, so much so that the loss in core performance is sometimes justified. Hopefully AM5/DDR5 makes up for that a bit with the next gen parts.

[@raven4k998]

I know your hoping the 6950x has 24 cores and 48 threads

[@operator8014]

Nah. You coulda grabbed a retired dual or quad xeon for waaaaay cheaper and got way more crunch.

[@j7sc940]

...nice ! I would love to see a WRX80 mobo comparison that includes the MSI WS WRX80 as well as the Asus Sage, the ASRock Creator and the Gigabyte SU8 with a w-cooled and oc'ed 5975WX (or even a 5995WX). Wondering about AMD's release strategy and timetable though - and how long this Threadripper Pro WRX80 gen will last, what with Epyc Zen4 Genoa-X showing what the next-gen Threadripper Pro w/Zen4 + DDR5 will offer...

[@CMDRSweeper]

I am an enthusiast that lived on the HEDT ever since the X58 from Intel. Looking back at it, I still need a HEDT, as the offspring that we have now is useless for those of us that needs more PCI-E lanes. 16 cores are sufficient, but what I want is more PCI-E lanes, and not the hobo switching you have to do on AM4 and Intel these days where once the x16 are gone for the GPU, you are left with scraps for your SAS controllers and possibly 2nd GPU. So lately for where I haven't been needing a lot of CPU power, I have been looking at really old AMD platforms like the 890FX, X58, X99 and X299 for their price to PCI-E lanes ratios... We really need an alternative here.

[@KayJay01]

Exactly. I have a 5950X and all I really want is that CPU with tons of PCIe lanes. We exist, there are dozens of us!

[@Marin3r101]

Intel had that for a long time. Sales didnt cut it for consumer side. So they cut that side of the business. I remember checking their line up when x99 was out. They had a mid-range chip. 4930k it had good specs. 40 lanes. It was around 550-600 at launch.

[@ChrisM541]

The non-pro HEDT userbase is not insignificant, especially considering the extra cost involved. However, the reality is that AMD royally fckd over its entire HEDT userbase with that TRX40 own goal. AMD and Intel know this. One thing's for certain, those users are not stupid - they ain't risking that ever again. AMD have lost them permanently and if Intel can produce something competitive (including 12-16 core option, around 60 PCIe lanes) then they will win over most of these potential customers. AMD fcked up big time here.

[@mpeugeot]

I snapped up an ASRock X399 TaiChi and a 2990wx for under $1000 usd back at the end of 2019, and bang for the buck, it was awesome. If you are on a budget, I have seen the motherboard under $200 and a 1920x under $150. Still gives you the 60 PCIe lanes (and my 1920x runs over 4 GHz all core all day long). I have 2 1920x systems and the 2990wx system.

[@DaPoets]

Still rockin my 3970X and loving it. Not sure if there is anything coming down the line (workstation wise) for me to justify an upgrade yet. It's just that good.

[@cyberspectre8675]

I'd like to see prices for these start to drop to Zen and Zen+ TR levels. Rather a 3960x than a 5950x.

[@chiefjudge8456]

The 5975WX is significantly better than it, and the Zen 4 Threadrippers will be as well.

[@DaPoets]

@@chiefjudge8456 better yes, but fast is still fast so it's difficult to tell the difference unless under very demanding long running workloads.

[@vincei4252]

In other words I shouldn't be looking to replace my 3990X any time soon ? Doesn't look like the performance lift is that revolutionary.

[@agenericaccount3935]

Never gonna own one. Don't need one. 90 percent of my day is on M1. Just here for the enthusiasm Wendell brings to the table. I wish more people in my life were like that 🙃

[@ericneo2]

I'd love to see web applications and database performance using ZFS with RAM caching on these systems.

[@abaj006]

You should start doing armor penetration simulations with your thread ripper. Those videos are becoming very popular.

[@simulationbros]

:)

[@maltalentueux9104]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO

[@skyhigh1803]

Great!

[@mumar100]

For Zen 4 let´s hope there will be "Genoa" Threadripper Pro and "Siena" Threadripper

[@TonciJukic]

There is an issue for the whole segment not being covered now. WS one that needs cores, core clocks and PCIE lanes. The "regular" Threadripper was covering it nice. If I'm paying 6,5k for a server CPU, I might as well go DDR5 with Sapphire Rapids, even HBM2 memory on-chip goes a long way since we've hit this kind of price heights.

[@visualiststudio6743]

you'll have to wait a year and pay 9k

[@owlmostdead9492]

I honestly just need more PCIE, 16 or even 12 Cores is enough. I don't get it, 16 Cores limited by 20 PCIE lanes is like giving the 3090 6Gb of VRAM.

[@bbatbileg]

That exactly what Intel's x99 platform did. Sadly, no replacement on the horizon. All with silly number of slow cores OR inadequate number of pcie lanes with nothing in-between.

[@mattiasolsson2499]

@@bbatbileg W790 Chipset and SPR HEDT is confirmed, exactly when is another matter.

[@Phynellius]

the amount of cache and memory bandwidth are also a bit on the limiting side for an otherwise powerful processor

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

especially when the previous 8 core has 128 lanes of pcie. whut , even dividing by 2 should end up with 64 pcie 4.0 lanes by another 2 32 pcie 5.0 lanes. none of what is said makes sense

[@salmiakki5638]

Current gen epyc (i think both normal, High frequency and High cache lines) and definitely older generation of threeadripper were definitely available in 16 cores variants with lots of PCIe i/o

[@seylaw]

Let's wait and see what consumer Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will bring to the table soon. I consider the launch this late right before a new CPU generation to be a slap into the face of all enthusiasts buying into the platform with Zen 2, probably costing them a lot of good will in that segment. The bean counters at AMD need to listen, even though Threadripper might not bring much to their bottomn line, the prestige and mind share in that sector is also a valuable asset. Jim Anderson and the other enthusiasts who pushed for Threadripper and no longer work for AMD knew that. Hence Threadripper should be the frontrunner for new technologies, pushing the boundaries. That would translate into a Threadripper Pro with VCache this generation, as they are selling EPYCs with VCache already and the volume is not that high to be a strain for EPYC supply. The margins of the Threadripper PRO SKUS are already absurdly high considering what 4 x 7nm chiplets on a high yield process cost for AMD nowadays, so no excuses there for not offering such a SKU. In my eyes, there are a lot of missed opportunities here, largely caused by a lack of competition from Intel.

[@johndoh5182]

Zen 4 Ryzen 7970X = 170W TDP and it's going to consume up to PPT. Zen 4 is going to be SO different than Zen 3 because AM4 limited the entire CPU stack to about 145W, stock. So the 5800X could push the same power as the 5950X. The 12 and 16 core Zen 4 Ryzen parts are going to get HUGE benefit from this extra power. On the other hand the single core chiplet parts will probably cap at about 150W. That would be my guess since they're 105W TDP parts. Then add in more L2 along with PCIe gen5 along with 4 additional lanes along with the X670E which can have features on them that people used to have add on cards for. Yeah, the top end of that stack is HEDT. So, I think they've listened. I think the issue is people don't understand just how much Ryzen is going to change over the next 2 CPU generations. The top of the stack Zen 5 Ryzen CPUs are going to make ANY Threadripper part to date, other than MAYBE the 64 core Zen 3 TR Pro look silly. And then even for the people who need 2 GPUs, with the move to gen5, you're going to see GPUs drop down to X8. At least for AMD GPUs. There is absolutely ZERO need for a PCIe gen5 X16 GPU. So having a MB that can run one GPU slot gen5 X8 and the other gen4 X8 is all the bandwidth you could possibly need. And that still leaves TWELVE PCIe gen5 lanes! So, it's a silly amount of bandwidth and capability for a typical desktop and is really becoming HEDT. Buy the X670E MB that has the feature set that fits your needs and when Zen 5 rolls around enjoy all the extra cores.

[@seylaw]

@@johndoh5182 It is not just about PCIe lanes for me (but might be for others). X670E is still a consumer platform, and that means mostly worse validation and some missing platform features, e.g. X670E is still limited to dual channel memory which is a limit in some intensive workloads. Hence there are still differences between a consumer and workstation/server platform worth talking about from a quality standpoint albeit with some overlap from a pure performance perspective. And yes, I've seen too many issues on AM4 in the past, so AMD has to prove to me that they and their partners have learned their lessons and do a better job at validation with AM5. (If you are wondering, I don't talk about RAM compatibility issues that plagued the platform at first - I saw BIOS/AGESA/platform issues with 4G decoding and UEFI boot enabled that halved your performance and disabled your LAN which didn't get fixed in the year I owned that hardware). The lack of competition makes me sad that the price barrier to entry for a HEDT/workstation product got raised by a lot in recent times. I hope Fishhawk Falls provides some competition in the up-to-24 core segment to keep AMD in check.

[@NarekAvetisyan]

I hope to see 3D V-Cache editions with Zen4 Threadripper in the future and with no exclusivity bullshit.

[@zodwraith5745]

Nothing consumer friendly will arise while AMD has a monopoly on HEDT. Everything is 100% profit based. Ironic that that's _exactly_ why we wanted AMD to compete with Intel.

[@NarekAvetisyan]

@@zodwraith5745 Agree, if Intel doesn't step up, AMD will do anything they want. Like they did by increasing the price an insane 70% on Zen3 Threadripper.

[@mbe102]

Dude, what is that vertical venting brace for the Noctua cooler :O. I need that!!!!!

[@CassandraComar]

have you tried setting a negative voltage offset for this board/cpu? I'm hoping the system can sustain the higher boost levels with more cores loaded that way.

[@SxC97]

The _only_ issue with modern high end CPUs are with the motherboards. We now have _tons_ of pcie lanes but all of the slots on the motherboards are single width! I think we need a new mobo standard to allow 7 double width cards to be run side by side on one motherboard.

[@salmiakki5638]

I think that's where a server form factor might come into the conversation, I'm probably missing some usacases but i can't think of any reason you would want that many Double width cards in a tower

[@zodwraith5745]

Especially sad when said motherboards are a freaking grand alone.

[@ionstorm66]

Nah we just need a 32/64 lane interconnect to allow expansion chassis. You can do it now, but it takes up the slot physically, so not much improvement.

[@Marin3r101]

@@salmiakki5638 probably just another well off assholes' request....

[@fleurdewin7958]

If you have so many PCI-e lanes to use, the only way to go is the mining rig style of chassis. Use PCI-E riser cables to solve the issue of PCI-e slots too close to each other.

[@ericthedesigner]

I design and manufacture prints that exceed 50 feet long by 15 feet tall. I really want a threadripper!!!!!!!! I'm on a 3950x , 6800xt, 64gb ram and 4 tb of m.2 storage. Everything water cooled including power delivery.

[@antonicholernik1747]

I would take 3960X and no compromise on everything besides frequency, compared to 5950X. That platform was hilarious.

[@thyscott6603]

Any difference between Windows and Linux scheduling in Video Games, code compiling and Video Production/3D Modeling?

[@blackmennewstyle]

Every time i walk into a shop and there are Threadripper CPUs in stock, i always enjoy asking how many of them are sold, just to hear the sellers smile very very nervously and answer maybe one or two in the past 6 months :$

[@magoid]

Yeah. We see all those people claiming how AMD is dropping the ball but, lets be realistic, it is a very niche market. Obviously they know very well its size and allocated their resources accordingly. Enterprise buys more and pays more. AMD would be crazy not to priorize their sales for their most profitable clients.

[@emilianoruiz7681]

this is exactly why they stopped selling Threadtripper non pro..it cost them too much t o artificially segment their high end market when not enough people are buying. They make way more money with the TR pro and epyc cpus.

[@Braiam]

Which shops?

[@FutureChaosTV]

There is a shop that sells and has on stock Threadripper? Tell them they are (trying) selling to the wrong people/customers. Bad inventory managment.

[@astralboy]

what about music production workloads? loading music channels with VST's with oversampling + linear phase? rendering to wav? a comparison with 5975wx , 7950x would be useful

[@66racer]

Sometimes you just need that PCIe lane and slot configuration that TR/TR Pro offers. Sucks that an Intel z170 could be had with 4 pcie-x16 slots but not even Asus ProArt boards can offer the same today. I think it is the industries way to push people into the Workstation hardware like we see with software locking out features for non-workstation GPU.

[@KRAVER_]

Still on my 1st Gen Threadripper :( too poor to go 2nd gen TR lol

[@gentuxable]

For me the 1950X is still good enough. I chose TR because I wanted to have PCIe lanes and a system that is fast enough for 10 years and now we're 5 years in and it looks promising.

[@farawaythrower]

Considering upgrading to sapphire rapids in the future? Or one of intel's new HEDT since they're starting that again

[@gentuxable]

@@farawaythrower for the moment I don’t see how the gain justifies the work and money. Not a single task my 1950X can’t handle left-handed.

[@farawaythrower]

@@gentuxable Oh sweet! I see the 1950X as underperforming, but I guess it depends on what you need it for. What do you use your system for?

[@gentuxable]

@@farawaythrower Then you should consider upgrading... I do virtualization, video editing and general computing on my system and I don't see how this could improve given the effort.

[@mpeugeot]

@@farawaythrower I know that I can seriously overclock my 1920x's and my 2990wx. My 1920x systems will run 4.2 GHz all core. My 2990wx runs around 4GHz all core and I have the memory running at 3433, which makes a significant difference.

[@zlandauer]

I want to see this thing on LN2

[@Lightkie]

This reminds me of a Dilbert strip: "does the church know about this?"

[@FreestylerAlbert]

For me the 5950X have PCI lane problems. I really hope in the 6000 series that will be increased just a bit. GPU ; 10gbe card ; 1 SSD NVMe RAID card ; 2 NVMe SSD ; 3 SSD SATA. (Dark Hero motherboard) The only way I can get around it is to buy a built in 10gbe connectin into the motherboard. But to be honest I don't want to go for the threadripper because of the $ .

[@dreamteamdidonethingwrong2499]

Just remember that the 10gbit connection on your motherboard will be bottlenecked by any used SATA ports, chipset connected PCIe slots, and USB ports on the back if you saturate those heavily, so if you plan to tax it heavily with lots of PCIe cards, that might not be a great solution. Another option is potentially, now that the more cost-effective TR non-pro is not on the horizon now, to buy used and go with TR 3000 parts for relatively cheaper HEDT CPUs, or used TR Pro 3000 if you want the upgradability to TR Pro 5000. However last I checked, the prices on the former still aren't that great and pricing on the latter will still likely be very high. If you do get a Ryzen 7000 motherboard with built-in 10gbit ethernet, I think you will be able to squeeze in every expansion card you want. The GPU and NVMe RAID card would go in the first and second PCIe slots respectively, and the 2 NVMe and 3 SATA SSDs would go in their respective slots too. Although you probably are cutting it quite close if you wanted to add more expansion cards in the future and/or faster networking, so it's unfortunately quite complex

[@MEATHEADBooYA]

@@dreamteamdidonethingwrong2499 Its really shitty how they market motherboards, like it can do it but you cant do everything all at once and every damn motherboard is the same where they state it can do so much but dont say its limited and cant do everything at once.

[@gogojacobgo]

Could you recommend some specific RAM sticks to go with this build? Im having a difficult time nailing down a 256GB total that is compatible using a Micron or Samsung die. I Definitely want ECC but I don't know a ton about the topic.

[@mborows2]

Every big C++ project needs such machine, compilation is CPU bounded process nowadays. I ugraded my old machine and full system compilation time reduced from 4h to 50min.

[@fahadal-asmari6893]

Ummm this CPU I like this YAAS !!

[@wollinger]

Is that fan blowing down on the cooler?

[@jandorniak6473]

You know, I do work with Yocto, and for day-to-day? Even a freaking 3600 is enough, if barely. Sure, kernel compile times suck. But aside from that? What takes time is images (I'd have to check, but those are probably IO-bound), and some big Python packages (*cough* numpy, scipy, *cough*), which have builds which simply don't parallelize well. That's... about it.

[@smoothbraindetainer]

I don't know what bugs me more, that cooler and fan orientation at the beginning, or using *that* motherboard to overclock.

[@Symba_Lysm]

I had a funny feeling the ASrock might support CPU OCing

[@xBread_]

Id like to ask if there is a way to overclock a 5955wx on a asus sage mbo I`d like to get better singlecore performance

[@denvera1g1]

If you have Optane DCPMM, can you just try it to see if it even is detected? Maybe we can hack together some sort of driver to get DCPMM to work on AMD in the form of dumb RAM or single bit correction. storage mode would be cool, but system RAM would be great. Even if it requires all DIMMS be Optane, i'd love to shove 2TB of DCPMM on my 3950x that basically does nothing but serve files. Would let me get rid of my PCIE 16x adapter card with 8 118GB Optane drives.

[@salmiakki5638]

I know nothing, but i would suspect any sort of "ram driver"to be written in che cpu microcode PLEASE if someone knows anything to write it down, it's a very interesting topic

[@AdamFJH]

The memory latency on the 5975wx is so high, what memory timings was it tested with? I was hoping it would be around 70ns.

[@mevfx]

Standard jedec timings cl22 at 3200mhz I think. You can buy ram with lower timings but there will be a lower chance of stability with it.

[@bondisdead]

Had this motherboard for about a week, where the intended applications is a desktop workstation. As a result, none of the BMC functionality is required. What annoys me to this point is that there is no XMP for my 3200MHz Registered ECC DDR4 RAM, just have to make memory timing settings manually or allow for default which is 3200MHz, but with slower timings. Other thing is that you cannot put the computer to sleep, just shutdown or restart.

[@LtdJorge]

I'm just dreaming a bit here, but would it be possible to build a decent 100Gbps switch (even if only four ports or something) with the 24 core TR Pro? I would choose the 24 just because they all have the same I/O and TDP, but it has the least cores, so more TPD per core and higher base clock. I mean, just in theory. Even if the design needed the most extreme options. The only objective is beat an enterprise switch (with more ports ofc) in price. So even if having to use FreeBSD/NetBSD/DragonflyBSD or some custom Linux, kTLS, NICs with FPGAs, etc.

[@cam_machi]

Hopefully the head gasket on this WRX will be a keeper

[@Samesosass]

5800X3d FTW

[@wotreplays8896]

RYZEN Threadripper PRO 5975WX ㅣRTX 3090 Ti 3Way Ai Workstation - video on youtube with no mustard cables ;)

[@michaelpoczynek]

I am just completing a build using the following for Adobe Premiere Pro : Qty. Item 1 Fractal Define 7XL Case 1 Cosair AX1600i Power Supply 1 Asus Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI Motherboard 3 Samsung 990 2TB NVME SSD Onboard 4 Seagate Iron Pro NAS 10TB Hard Drive (configure on RAID 5) 1 Nactua Fan/Cooler 1 Nactua second fan 1 Nvidea RTX 4080 16GB Video Card 8 Cosair 16GB DDR 3200 Vengence LPX over-clocking memory 3 Fractal Designs 140mm fans 4 Nactua 140mm fans 1 AMD Threadripper 5975WX CPU 1 Windows 11 Pro key 1 APC Back-UPS Pro 1500S Battery backup I would love to find the instructions to tune the 5975 with the WRX80 ver 1.

[@lyndajones1133]

would you be available for a consult? have the 5975x getting to 96 c and shutting down my system. first custom water loop...and its jacked up probably. not great and thermal throttling, in the red and whatnot...for somehow i feel like ek block is not doing its job and their fittings are coming out and it leaks a lot bc of the overheating im fucked. lol halp?

[@Level1Techs]

Hello, Editor Autumn here. This seems like a good question for our forum forum.level1techs.com/ Lots of people over there who can help you troubleshoot.

[@lyndajones1133]

awesome thanks!

[@cracklingice]

Still waiting for 12 to 24 core HEDT. Fek 20 lanes. 40 lanes and quad channel memory or there is literally nothing for me to buy.

[@Level1Techs]

I'd be okay with muxing 16 lanes of pcie5 into 32 lanes of pcie4 or even better 24 by 4.0 and 16 by 3.0 would make a great platform

[@cracklingice]

@@Level1Techs Honestly, when I first heard of W680, I was hoping it was a sister chipset to Z690 that was basically just a 16 gen 5 to 32 gen 4 switch. I too would be OK with 4x4 gen 4 and 4x4 gen 3 over 4 physical slots capable of dual 16 lane or quad 8 lane assignments to reduce cost. I am still unsure as to if the switch would be a reasonable way to go about it though. I have never used one, but I would imagine it would add a bit of latency for all and also complicate IOMMU for those looking to virtualize. Ultimately, I don't forsee Intel doing it because they gave us the bonus 4 lanes for an NMVE, but also did it by taking away 8+4+4 bifurcation of the 16 lanes. It's pretty clear they want to provide the minimum possible. AMD, well, they just want to double the prices of everything so even if they did release a Threadripper non pro - it would be priced out of enthusiast territory as Threadripper 3000 was. It's just so frustrating as an enthusiast that doesn't want to compromise on IO to have the Intel haters tell me that I should be happy that AMD released 16 cores on the consumer socket and Intel isn't releasing quad cores anymore. Well, when Intel was only providing quad cores on consumer socket, there was still something I could buy and at a reasonable price. That simply doesn't exist today.

[@erkinalp]

@@Level1Techs I am surprised why there is no ITX to ATX extender board that has such a mux&switch arrangement.

[@eldibs]

"That's a bit of a dealbreaker for some..." That should be a huge dealbreaker for everyone. It's corporate anti-consumer garbage nearly on the level of Apple, and Lenovo deserves to go out of business over it. At the very least, it results in an increase in e-waste.

[@MultiKokonutz]

There is a sound technical reason for it to exist... But there also NO REASON that PSB cannot be disabled. All that woul be needed would be a jumper on the mobo, blowing an e-fuse to disable PSB permanently, always display a splash screen with "WARNING: Platform integrity not guaranteed!" and an some secure way to tell from the OS that is is permanently off. An engineer could implement this in a week.

[@pessimism056]

@@MultiKokonutz There is no sound reason for vendor DRM to exist on a CPU. This is anticompetitive lock-in, plain and simple.

[@MultiKokonutz]

@@pessimism056 PSB verifies that the firmware was not tampered with (think UEFI malware). This is desirable by datacenter customers. The key cannot be changed for security reasons, which is understandable. The problem is it cannot be reverted back to an "unsecured" state.

[@eldibs]

This is in what appears to be a desktop workstation. It could easily be offered as an optional selection for those who want the extra security, but I'm pretty sure if someone has physical access to your primary workstation's CPU, you have bigger security concerns to worry about.

[@Marin3r101]

Not really... seems like you are a little too emotional El dad. [Anyone even get this reference]. Sony does it with games. Microsoft does it. No reason a system integrator like Lenovo cant purchase 5000 series chips for specific applications and lock them to their systems.... I never understood why people get so emotional about these things. No one is forcing you to buy it, nor are "AMD" saying you can't have it.

[@prep0wer]

If you want fast rendering just use 4 $100 AMD GPUs in Crossfire.

[@shiijei2638]

It's not so much the horsepower for me as it is the PCI-E lanes: Dual 6900 XTs + dual quad slot m.2 AICs

[@amateurwizard]

If you're a wizard you say...?

[@joshhardin666]

Why are they launching a new workstation cpu when they are releasing a whole new cpu architecture in 2 months? I want threadripper 7000 series with zen4 cores and ddr5 support to be released this fall, and I wanted the price to scale linearly with the price per core of the ryzen machines just like the first gen threadripper. this charging a kidney for LAST GENERATION (in 2 months) architecture is complete bull.

[@jairo8746]

Competition... or the lack thereof. AMD has no pressure to release anything now. And it is that expensive cause it is basically the same EPYC CPU that sells at the same price, they will not lower the price to sell you something that they can get more money from other costumers.

[@RobBCactive]

It was released in March but OEM only, it's an EPYC server clocked faster. The server/pro market values stability and validation and consumers being their guinea pigs.

[@Jimster481]

I'm really upset that AMD left us Threadripper customers in the dark.... I have a TRX40 system and I'm upset that AMD didn't deliver on their promises and we have no Zen3 on TRX40.... when they launched TRX40 it was "to make a new socket and chipset for the future". The future of what? They dropped support after that....

[@johndoh5182]

Zen 4 Ryzen is going to be a MONSTER product, ESPECIALLY the 2 chiplet parts. More L2, basically double the power capacity for the 2 chiplet parts but on a MORE efficient process node. The all-core sustained clocks on the 7950X vs. the 5950X along with other minor changes means an all-core boost close to 40%. That's basically what Robert said in an interview. Now throw in the added feature set and bandwidth handling. Your going from 24 PCIe gen4 lanes to 28 PCIe gen5 lanes. The X670E MBs have a lot more features with much higher speed devices such as USB4 or Thunderbolt, and not just one, but a few high speed ports. Threadripper is dead as HEDT. It was predictable a year ago. Ryzen is going to take its place at the high end of the core/MB stack. And while Zen4 is going to give the biggest boost for the 12 and 16 core parts, Zen 5 is going to add more cores, and this is why it's not really worth considering TR for HEDT. It's cost prohibitive and Zen 5 Ryzen is going to make you wish you didn't buy anything less than a 64 core Zen 3 TR Pro. But with the price you're going to pay for that 64 core TR Pro, it's going to look SO overpriced in about 2.5 years. I'd buy the 16 core Zen 4 Ryzen if I need HEDT along with the X670E MB that best fits my needs, and then upgrade the CPU with Zen 5 and sell off that 16 core Zen 4 part.

[@kevinerbs2778]

X670e isn't good at all From x370-x570 the majority of the mother board support one 16x and one x4 lane pci express slots and if you have M2 Nmve SSD plugged in your out a an x4 slot or drops to the chipset the next problem is the lack of boards that actually ever support x8 /x8 from the cpu, which almost non-existant with out a PLX chip spliting the 16x lanes appartin to two 8x lanes from the cpu Which it should be done by the cpu, but isn't I know of right now 5 boards out the x570 line that support 8x/8x this fact right here is why mian stream Ryzen board will never be good enough to ever be consider "high end desktop or work station"

[@siyoungnam1731]

Will Zen5-based CPU have more cores than 16? Is it guaranteed?

[@HoboVibingToMusic]

>13 seconds ago I think this is a sign for my wallet to cry. :)

[@Marin3r101]

Big ol' cry babies is this comments section... that should drive engagement!

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

"DIY" "For whose budget"? Lisa Su screwed us loyalists!

[@mrfilipelaureanoaguiar]

If AMD wants to look more serious, they should make some gigabit nics 1x to 16x at least start at pcie4 and do some pcie 5 too, its coming quick. Workstation or server, that pro can do security but AMD don't seem to be sold as firewalls and as I said, not working much on network devices mostly for those beasts.

[@johndoh5182]

It's not AMD's business to make add on NICs. AMD focuses on what they do now. That's CPUs, GPUs, acceleration.

[@erkinalp]

@@johndoh5182 What is AMD Pensando if not CPU+special purpose processor+NIC?

[@AzarelHoward]

Yeah... Being an enthusiast who missed out on the 1920x hurts because now if I want PCIe lanes with my 16 core processor I'm forced to buy Epyc... the in between doesn't exist now that Threadripper Pro has given the middle finger to enthusiasts and left the high end desk space empty. AMD had better be planning on filling this hole because the Ryzen 9 isn't an alternative due to the paltry number of PCIe lanes.

[@MikeG-js1jt]

$4,658.00............ Holy Smokes!!!..... I'm Still running a 4 core 8 thread devils canyon cpu !!....... seems to run everything well, never once have I said to myself "gee, things seem to be slowing down a bit on this system"

[@marcogenovesi8570]

this is for people that need some serious power, probably for a job-related use. Not everyone does

[@TheAnoniemo]

I recently upgraded from a slow Haswell (Lot lower clocks than yours, but still) to 5600X and the difference is bigger than I thought. Everything feels faster, even browsing feels faster with loading pages and clicking around. It surprised me.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

@@TheAnoniemo I have 5600x also, well work its price!

[@h2oaddict28]

You're running a CPU that struggles with windows update...

[@TheAnoniemo]

@@h2oaddict28 everything struggles with windows update. Microsoft has a talent of making software run bad regardless of the hardware. Have you tried Teams desktop?

[@TechySpeaking]

First

[@repairman2be250]

Some more tech info please!

[@qazwsx000xswzaq]

AMD anti-consumer practice on vendor locking Zen 3 Threaddripper has literally forced me to build my workstation with one of those high frequency EPYCs. If Intel has not been dropping its balls with Sapphire Rapid, I would have moved to Intel outright.

[@MultiKokonutz]

Intel is no saint either. No ECC on desktop CPUs Locked multipliers everywhere 4 cores is all you need Vt-d on K SKUs? No way

[@qazwsx000xswzaq]

@@MultiKokonutz These companies are of course no saint. They are created and are expected to pursue profits. We customers are just trying to do the best to get a fair deal, to put them in line. Indeed that is getting harder and harder.

[@MultiKokonutz]

@@qazwsx000xswzaq At least, the future seems bright. Apple proved ARM computers are viable for the average user, Ampere has very competitive, high core count server chips, RISC-V is showing up in some SBCs, microsoft has windows on ARM, linux on desktop is in the best shape it has ever been, who knows where we will be in 10 years

[@dreamteamdidonethingwrong2499]

@@MultiKokonutz At the same time, many of those technologies sacrifice upgradability and customization, especially with apple's arm cpus, where the CPU, GPU, and RAM are all on one package. In exchange you get a system that while performant, can still be outperformed by a somewhat-similarly power-hungry AMD processor, and the minor benefits of whatever else the ARM architecture may bring

[@MultiKokonutz]

@@dreamteamdidonethingwrong2499 The integration Apple does is another thing altogether. There are potentially huge power savings at the PHY level by moving things closer together. That is the direction both Intel and AMD are going with Sapphire Rapids and 3D cache

[@EthelbertCoyote]

With the state of GPU rendering as a 3d/fx guy the bump in pricing hurts a tiny bit and worse make TR pro less relivant for a main user station but improves it's value as a send to renderbox. But with the options out there to send renders to cloud render this is also a muddied usecase. The lack of single thread punch also is a deterant as on a user focused WS a lot of my tasks are sadly still single thread dependant otherr than rendering. HEDT is yes, owned all by AMD now but frankly for 3d creators to me it seems like a value prop disaster space. Frankly the number of pci-e lanes and memory bandwidth/capacity is sort of more of a plaform draw than the core counts. Adding the bump to power of this round adding the new also more power hungy GPU's will mean not only a system upgrade but a electrical box upgrade potentially as well. I am also both happy and sad I can take along my current memory but will maybe wait for the next TR PRO platform. Confusing times.

[@visualiststudio6743]

you know that a 5995x renders nearly as fast as a 3090ti ?

[@stevieflyineasy]

its pronounced "assrock" ;)

[@goldmanstacks1445]

THATS ALOT OF MONEY haha

[@zodwraith5745]

Cool chip, horrible price. This is what an HEDT monopoly looks like.

[@desertfish74]

Wendel "it's actually cheaper than Intels offerings" so you may want to rethink your statement

[@zodwraith5745]

@@desertfish74 It's cheaper than an entire server platform?! Well, duh.

[@ouki4925]

AMD is now the one who's ridicuously overpriced. Oof

[@Mr11ESSE111]

Too expensive with not so great performance