Which AMD Threadripper Pro Workstation is Better?

We answer who makes the better MEGA workstation between the Lenovo ThinkStation P620 and the Supermicro AS-5014A-TT. Both are equipped with the AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX, so it is time to see which one offers the better platform and which is the better value. The results may surprise you.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:11 The Huge Price Gap
04:44 Hardware Overview External
09:12 Internal Hardware Overview
13:52 Performance Comparison
16:22 Lenovo Uses AMD PSB to Vendor Lock CPUs
18:43 Key Lessons Learned
20:37 Wrap-Up
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Other STH Content Mentioned in this Video
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- AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 5995WX Review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKWxh32tabmHfpY
- AMD Ryzen Threadripper Pro 3995WX Review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIevdZ-or5VshdU
- Lenovo ThinkStation P620 Review - www.servethehome.com/lenovo-thinkstation-p620-review-first-amd-threadripper-pro-workstation/
- ASUS WRX80 Motherboard Review - www.servethehome.com/asus-pro-ws-wrx80e-sage-se-wifi-review-amd-threadripper-pro/
- HighPoint SSD7540: www.servethehome.com/highpoint-ssd7540-8x-m-2-nvme-ssd-card-review-sabrent/
- Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 2TB: www.servethehome.com/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-1tb-m-2-nvme-ssd-review-this-is-fast/
- NVIDIA RTX A4500: www.servethehome.com/pny-nvidia-rtx-a4500-20gb-gpu-review/
- Lenovo PSB Lock in P620 (2021) - www.servethehome.com/lenovo-is-using-amd-psb-to-vendor-lock-amd-cpus/
- Lenovo PSB Ryzen CPUs (2022) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXK5nXuvZZqLsK8
- Dell AMD PSB Lock EPYC (2020) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX-5pod3i76rpq8
- AMD EPYC Milan Review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGPFdqKNa6uWeKM
- AMD EPYC Milan-X Review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYbYmJ5mfrOHiLc
- AMD EPYC 7003 Milan Launch - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGPFdqKNa6uWeKM
- AMD Announces Bergamo Milan-X and MI250X - kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHanfIGqqZKYqM0
- GB era of Server CPUs - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYjLo36El7ClgZI
- AMD Technology Roadmap - www.servethehome.com/amd-technology-roadmap-from-amd-financial-analyst-day-2022/

[@GeekProdigyGuy]

No PSB alone means the CPU can have a second life, and if you don't want it, you still get 2x the resale value... Saving $6000 on top? Easiest choice I've ever seen.

[@stuartlunsford7556]

I would have considered buying Lenovo in the past, but not anymore, especially when they enable hardware lock by default

[@Felix-ve9hs]

Agree, this is just another form of DRM/vendor lock-in, complete no-go

[@Hogdriva]

Yep. Supermicro fan club

[@Felix-ve9hs]

@@Hogdriva I simply like to buy cheap second hand server hardware, without finding out that I cannot use X component because X vendor doesnt allow it, imagine your car wouldnt start because you put refurbished tires on it...

[@Marin3r101]

@@Felix-ve9hs bruh read between the lines....why you targeting hogdriva with your comment like theirs was directed at you?

[@javiej]

Hi Patrick, awsome video. One comment about the size, the Supermicro is not neccesarily bigger than the Lenovo. The Supermicro can do a weird hat trick that passed unnoticed in your review, wich is that the the top part is fully removable / disposable !. Supermicro have different cooling options for this case, with some of them using air cooling and not requiring the top part. They even have an optional rack kit with rails that you can install after removing the top.

[@tmoney1876]

And now I just wait 6 years for them to start turning up on ebay cheap enough for me to buy one...

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

So close, yet so far :-/

[@bradlytillmann8329]

Ah PSB, it sounds like something that would come up in a meeting the Monday after a report on the negative impact of used components on this quarter's company growth.

[@pcislocked]

this channel is actually addicting, love the work. keep it up

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Thanks, will do!

[@jgxvx]

Thank you for pointing out the PSB thing. I watched a couple of P620 reviews before placing an order with Lenovo and nobody had mentioned it. Fortunately saw your review just in time to still be able to click the „cancel order“ button. 😅

[@digitalintellect9870]

The SuperMicro wins it for me More expandable, no PSB, faster and cooler...what there not to like? Oh I forgot IPMI.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

And less expensive

[@TCGView]

When I found out Lenovo enables PSB several months back, I knew then and there that I would NEVER buy any of their hardware ever again. It's such a dumb thing to enable.

[@cernejr]

Nice video. There are not enough videos about SuperMicro.

[@jeremybarber2837]

Man, both of those systems are absolute tanks. If I had ANY need for a pre-build rig of that caliber I would hands-down buy the SMC over Lenovo. Such a great piece of investigation/comparison work, thanks for all the time put into these.

[@ion337]

Cool stuff, glad you cover all the small (but important) details, thanks!

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Glad you liked it!

[@danielbeddows2089]

Great review, exactly the review I was looking for. Thanks.

[@Ojref1]

Unless Lenovo can commit to stop vendor locking AMD CPUs, they've been removed from my vendor list, unfortunately. Its a damn shame.

[@tswiftsbf]

what company is taking the cpu out after the computer is out of service though?

[@christopherjackson2157]

Oh nice I like the compare and contrast reviews.

[@b127_1]

Supermicro might not be saints, but at least they are very good at using industry standard connectors and the like. Lenovo has a 3 year warranty, but if anything breaks after that, youre completely screwed, whereas with the supermicro could be fixed with off the shelf parts. Im a broke student, so my server has a xeon e5 v1, but having the ability to run whatever cpu (my hp didnt support v2, thanks guys...), cooler and case i want makes a massive difference.

[@osoriony]

I actually have last year's Lenovo P620. You have the option of extending the warranty to 5 years. They even provide on-site service and they will replace anything that breaks within those 5 years.

[@blender_wiki]

Who buy this kind of WS Payback the machine in 18max max then he double the investment in other 18months and they don't give a s...t what append after 36month because they will buy a new WS. You have very naïf (amateurish) vision of the world

[@StaK_1980]

PSB is an absolute deal-braker.

[@tswiftsbf]

for consumers not for businesses that are probably going to upgrade to another lenovo

[@StaK_1980]

@@tswiftsbf ... we are here, consumers. We are talking about the second hand market. So it is still a deal-breaker for me.

[@nahmannothanks]

Excellent breakdown Patrick. Thank you for this review.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Thank you!

[@aarch64]

super micro uses more standardized parts, that’s a clear win in my book.

[@esotericjahanism5251]

Super micro doesn't vendor lock the CPU either so you can carry over the CPU if you upgrade it later. I love supermicro's products for this, getting used dell and HP server systems is pretty cheap but not being able to repurpose half the parts in them once I decommission them is such a deal breaker. I have this old Sandy Bridge Poweredge T110 II system and the motherboard is so jank, its some weird inverted form factor where it is bolted to the left hand side of the chassis when viewing it from the front while literally every other chassis in existance the motherboard mounts on the right hand side. so any expansion card I put in it was also upside down in order to fit in it. not to mention it was some weird dimension being like 11" tall and 14" wide

[@GeoffSeeley]

Supermicro FTW! Lenovo is selling their service with their design. I think the SM designer took inspiration from the HP Z840 for that internal cover 🙂

[@Fay7666]

Started out with a Microserver G8, the presentable front cover did help in making my decision family-friendly. I've also seen some SilverStone cases using that design as well.

[@benjamintrathen6119]

Great review Patrick.

[@hernanrojas8393]

Interesante análisis, Supermicro siempre entregando grandes productos, saludos !!

[@starwolf7365]

Great video. Thank you for this.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Thank you! Have a great day.

[@sirusvirtus5885]

Supermicro🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@OLDUSAFMedic]

I just ordered the WX3945 model for $1500 from Lenovo on sale. They have all the models on sale. This is still head or heels better than any AMD 7000 series machine for about the same money. And still has 128 lanes.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We will have a Xeon W-3400 video in the next week as well. 3 different builds with it

[@thatLion01]

Supermicro all the way. Nice video

[@DmnkRocks]

currently phasing out lenovo for desktop - for this "feature" alone (PSB that is). - as soon as we find an replacement for their Laptops, they're gone too.

[@TomekSw]

I have Dell AMD workstation and I'm very happy.

[@AOTanoos22]

Really appreciate the video and the insights, im always baffled how Lenovo manages to cool this workstation with seemingly only 1? air intake, could you make a video on the air cooling aspect of the Lenovo and maybe explain how they manage to cool all their components? Would be really appreciated !

[@crimsionCoder42]

You just helped me avoid a HUGE blunder. I want to go with the 32 core, upgrade to the 64 down the line, and do a new build on the 32 core. If I had gone with Lenovo I would have been MFing like no tomorrow. The nails in the coffin were the added features for use as a server and the price, I could care less about the onsite service, at this price gap you can get a barebones 32 core Supermicro for $5,300.00.

[@meneer13muts]

Hi Patrick, love these kinda videos!!! You just made one tiny mistake, in the lenovo configurator you added the Nvidia A6000 (price 8k usd) while in the supermicro you didn't add it. As a result you did get a difference, but on 15k price range, a grand more or less doesn't really matter. For me searching, I see the Supermicro coming up about 1k more expensive. Since I am a 'fan' of both, I couldn't say really which is better since both seem to be superb. Personally I would build these myself if I got the chance to shop them. (or at least buy ram/drives/gpu at third party) Because yes the vendor lock of the big 4 is the one thing that really turned me off most pre-builds. (3x markup on ram and drives comes to mind) Anyway another great video, thank you, keep up the good work!

[@FPA4]

One of the great features of the Thinkstation is Lenovo Performance Tuner, which I have found really powerful on my Intel-based Thinkstation, as it allows extracting untapped performance from my older system when running specific apps, and allows me to save templates so I don't have to retune if I want to run something different. Did you try tuning the system this way for your 24 hour test?

[@osoriony]

I bought Lenovo's last year's model. It has 5, no 4 PCIE expansion slots (1 is in the front) so it can be configured to have 5 HDDs. I imagine it is possible to do the same in this unit.

[@marcfruchtman9473]

Great Review... 1 small question: How loud was the SuperMicro Workstation? (I am trying to get away from jet engine server fans) Thanks!

[@Sevapcici]

I have the P620 at work and I am really surprised it costs that much more in the US? We paid 12.000€ for it (with 5995WX. 512GiB RAM, the small AMD GPU)

[@sbeve7445]

If the Supermicro system have a decent air cooling system I'm sold.

[@rrodriguesv2]

very good thank you !!! make the same review with a HP workstation vs supermicro if possible.... on threadripper and include a epyc machine together....!!! thanks

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I also want to look at the Dell version.

[@EriksRemess]

That SuperMicro box is awesome

[@NESMASTER14]

SGI, Sun Microsystems, HP Unix 🧙‍♂

[@jannegrey593]

With Genoa 280 W will be "just the beginning" ;) Though I did hear that Workstations (Threadripper) aren't scheduled for release for another year, which is a bit sad. And in this case: 6000$ less for something that doesn't vendor lock your CPU, has much more room to upgrade and better cooling (that depends on preferences) is sort of no-brainer. Though I'm amazed at how good P620 actually is. I was worried we would get something much, much worse, more akin to what you can buy in Walmart for Desktop PC's. But both are well made and Lenovo system has some things going for it. But not worth additional 6000$.

[@VirendraBG]

You are the only daredevil to review High End workstation. Everyone else is obsessed with gaming computers. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Lukas_Miglioranza]

Mh... So my 5950x should be third, right? 😃 Awesome, great great video. I have on my PC a 1080 external radiator nexXxos xt45 with 9 120mm fans, and it's incredible how much potential is hidden in a good CPU if you only create the conditions to use it. You can work in a stable environment every day, every hour, in situations that others can reach only for some seconds, firsts of the benchmark end. A good well though liquid cooling system can make the difference in long heavy loads. Really thanks for all these opportunities of looking at the most powerfull workstations of hour times.

[@Sevapcici]

The Supermicro has a BMC which is a great advantage if you want to use it as a "cheapo" server. I find it a bit odd that you say "has IPMI" instead of "has a BMC" since IPMI is just one of the common interfaces for a BMC. But IPMI is outdated and was replaced by Redfish, which is a more modern and simpler interface (using HTTP and JSON). Would have liked to see a bit more about the SuperMicro BMC. Otherwise great review, thanks. :)

[@classicpcgaming4194]

40%+ premium AND they PSB you! Just amazing, Lenovo.

[@tommihommi1]

I wonder if the side panel window makes a measurable EMI difference, I should stick some PCs in our test chamber :D

[@justjoeblow420]

I've actually been looking around at high end workstation for my own needs and I keep ending up at the idea for my needs where it's going to be running in a home work environment that SuperMicro keeps ending up the better buy overall. In my case the machine will be being used for scientific compute needs for astronomy and astrophysics research and that price difference can't be ignored as I'll probably be paying out of pocket for the machine or via grant money. There's reasons to go this route too as a researcher as once I'm out of school chances are I'll end up having to move around for a while ever year or two and I'd rather be in the situation where taking my own research data with me is just simply packing up a tower and a NAS or two than trying to deal with moving larger amounts of data ever few years when I end up inevitably moving because I can't get a contract extension or tenure. So for me if I get around 4-5 years out running the machine hard it's payed for itself and I'd be probably looking to upgrade by then anyways.

[@longnamedude3947]

Wow, you get about a bit! I never realised that you needed a machine this powerful, the Supermicro is the clear choice for sure for your needs, and the resale value in 5+ Years time make it a no brainer VS Lenovo Systems with PSB Enabled!

[@darkphotographer]

nice to know , so in 5-6 years when thows will pop on ebay wee go get the supermicro rigs , still using my x99 from 2015 .got with i7 recenty upgrade to the 12c xeon . still got one upgrade to that machine the 22core .

[@benjaminlynch9958]

SuperMicro should partner with GeekSquad or someone similar for certified on site service. Same day or next day service is a killer feature for those using these machines in their business to generate revenue.

[@hypercube33]

Idk, geek squad had trouble telling that my DOA tv was indeed dead...

[@g.paudra8942]

Thank you for this review, can you also review the gigabyte workstation? on the paper it seems like it's between lenovo and supermicro

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We are probably not going to get to the Gigabyte workstation since we already did the motherboard review for it on the STH main site: www.servethehome.com/gigabyte-mc62-g40-amd-ryzen-threadripper-pro-motherboard-review/

[@FueledbyJohn]

Supermicro ftw that is of course unless several years down the road you can snag either kicking down the road cheap ex corporate style.

[@felicytatomaszewska2934]

I think supermicro is a clear winner for me by a large margin....

[@mranthony1886]

Vendor locked CPU's only a thing because SUN died - Open Hardware Specifications - Go super micro take that place

[@cldpt]

Lenovo makes great machines... But PBS and that price goes to show what happens when you give exclusivity to a company that is solely focused on major profits. AMD, please don't allow this to happen again. Some people have been waiting over 2 years for these CPUs to open up to consumers and we are barely getting a shot at them at street price for self-built options.

[@logskidder5655]

The shorter Lenovo seems to be one of their rackable cases. Although I can not find a rack mount option for the P620 case many of their other pedestal systems have 4U options.

[@hypercube33]

There is a rack mount kit for the Lenovo - we've got one at work. Here are the part numbers we ordered CDW Part: 3851698 Lenovo: 4XF0k29048

[@TheKorgborg]

i think the locked procesor is the reason advising against the lenovo

[@soju506]

The cover is for airflow.

[@garbarmihail]

very cool

[@michaelcharissis3208]

Look here now. In real world production facilities Lenovo provides a great product. The ThinkStation P620 sells for a discounted price to research organizations, and then Lenovo Certifies Red Hat Linux on the platform. In a production environment, on site support and 24 hour response is critical. In research every hour counts and the majority of workloads run on Linux! Our reality is that we will run these systems until the end of the warranty, we normally purchase a 5 year plan. At that point technology has moved forward and resale value is not really a consideration.

[@nahimgudfam]

Imagine how many more views this video would have if they were $40-$50 thousand dollar sports cars.

[@paulwhite5066]

Thelio is great with their Mega and Massive both using Threadripper

[@TheTrulyInsane]

I honestly had to check my settings to make sure I didn't have playback speed turned up, holy crap it's like listening to tech from the Micro Machine guy lol

[@slithery9291]

Was that a creators edition LTT screwdriver in the STH colours that I saw?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

That is! Linus and Jake sent me one in STH blue. kzbin.infoNFQgDTcqLxQ?feature=share

[@davebing11]

as a power user, how manytimes a year do you need to remove panels to access cards? 4 times a year is much more likely than weekly

[@michaelharbuck3314]

sure... let me write a check for that....

[@ayumuaikawa]

Funny watching this video after gamerNexus did the review on the stadia devkit which use the same base as the Lenovo showed in this video

[@starwolf7365]

PSB was a mistake. It's terrible.

[@marksapollo]

Well looks wise the Supermicro runs away with it.

[@BloodyIron]

As someone working in ITSec I don't see the value in locking the CPU to the OEM vendor. I am really not seeing the security advantage there and see the eWaste problem being actually substantial.

[@OVERKILL_PINBALL]

Lenovo is such a tough sell... it reminds me of a 90's e-machine compared to the SuperMicro.

[@h.b.5577]

I like the fact that it's more compact and has ps2, but pretty much everything else seems inferior...

[@DoObs]

What ever suits your budget Its not always about whats better. About what works for what it needs to do.

[@xpez9694]

Do you you think using the liquid cooling on the Supermicro is the better option vs the Fan? What are the drawbacks of the fan? Will it just a be louder? or is it considerably cooler than the FAN therefore offering higher consistent peak turbo performance?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We went into the performance differences of the heatsink/fan versus liquid cooling in the video.

[@xpez9694]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo yeah I saw that I was hoping you would say which you would rather buy...but it looks like there is minimal gain only in extended peak usage. not going to worry about the liquid cooling option. the cooling extension on top seems like it might be good to use to cool some graphics cards if you get a few packed in there tight..

[@Jack-qj2pr]

The motherboard in the Lenovo system is sorta pathetic in my mind. 128 PCI-E lanes and it has THAT PCI-E slot layout. The Lenovo has proprietary parts too, so it's destine for a landfill.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

What is interesting is I heard that was co-developed with AMD

[@Jack-qj2pr]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Now I question if AMD staff were a little high that day. That or they intentionally made it that way to maximize profit margins. Who knows. Mind boggling either way.

[@bits-bytes]

What about noise, energy consumption and DPC latencies?

[@mikebruzzone9570]

Lenovo said, TR 64C 1P "killed their Xeon 2P workstation sales" I'll keep that observation in mind I have the 1P v 2P supply data for many quarters back and looking forward to report on it. mb

[@mikebruzzone9570]

Lenovo ala IBM way back modular subsystem design in relation Supermicro DIY model. mb

[@mikebruzzone9570]

Yea modular can mean locked in with less or no component / subsystem salvage value. mb

[@mikebruzzone9570]

good report. mb

[@seitenryu6844]

That saved $6000 can go towards a heap of storage or pcie expansion.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

With the TR or EPYC CPU mounting, how easy is it to get the mount pressure wrong and have it lead to issues with the system memory or PCIe links?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

SP5 for Genoa is different (you can see the latest video). On SP3 it was reasonably easy to get right, but it could happen if you did not follow specs.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo So SP5 is a little more bullet proof with only the single screw. I guess that hard to mess up?

[@paulrickett7564]

You screwed up by not showing us the systems running and testing noise levels of the systems. Are they too noisy to place on a desk and be used as true workstations?

[@darcsentor]

How noisy where they? Stopped using my old HP workstation because it was unnecessary loud.

[@brandonj5557]

Is it possible to by the AIO standalone for the super micro machine?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Not sure. You would have to ask Supermicro, but many of their parts have orderable part numbers

[@p3chv0gel22]

The RAM cooling fan confused me a bit. It seems based on the plastic cover, that the fan is supposed to blow air towards the front of the Case, whilst the CPU cooler is drawing its air towards the back. Why not push both in the same direction Or it's supposed to pull air through the dimms, but that still seems a bit weird

[@hypercube33]

Yeah I saw this too. I'll pop the case on the one we've got and see if thats the airflow...makes no sense if it is that way - you'd think they'd eject all hot air out of the back asap

[@vinylSummer]

@@hypercube33 any uodates?

[@highe56]

I don't think you are including the price of the RTX A6000 (~$4,000) in your Supermicro specifications, while it seems included in the Lenovo price. From what I can tell in the video there is no GPU added on the Supermicro price breakdown. Adding in the RTX A6000 would make the prices about the same, no?

[@Smallshock]

Kinda feels outdated, I work at German engineering corporate, all new employees get basic laptop and only remote to a server. It's great for home office tho

[@Caleo996]

The Gigabyte W771-Z00 is a good alternative

[@Warrigt]

2 40k systems. 1 wobbly table. Who wins?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Table extended to max height worked!

[@johannweber5185]

Is there any kind of scenario where PSB is an advantage for the customer?

[@SuperSpecies]

Yeah if it is a rental or something or subsidised, though it clearly isn't.

[@shanedavenport734]

The b roll of the Lenovo looks like the crumb monster attacked? 😄

[@catsspat]

AVC fans on Lenovo. Sanyo fans on SuperMicro. SuperMicro wins.

[@estudiom142]

Love workstations!!! raw power, 3 screens ... full work power !! notebooks are children toys. Cheers!

[@XenonG]

What, never seen "Mobile" Workstations and "Mobile" Servers before? Yeah, full size workstation/server CPU and chipsets on very thick, portable chassis'.

[@morosis82]

To be fair, a fast laptop is fast enough for what I need at my fingertips (I have more power availble should I need it) and I can take it wherever I like.

[@BennyTygohome]

Easy choice. What the H was Lenovo thinking?

[@chaoticxie1425]

what do people need these kinds of work stations for?

[@Teluric2]

Design cars engines aircraft circuits factories.

[@TheRaizerx]

PSB on the Lenovo automatically removes them as an option for me….

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Very fair

[@davebing11]

When a supplier is trying to LOCK you into their system, (PSB), it implies that they dont feel that they can compete on a level field. so Watch out

[@IraQNid]

If you talked a bit slower it would give the audience a bit more time to digest what you're saying without having to pause the video every time you point to a feature.

[@Gersberms]

That Lenovo has so many strikes against it, it's not even funny. Of course I'm pretty much a Supermicro fan, they're quality all the way.

[@SB-qm5wg]

Jebus, 35k for a "workstation"

[@danielsnyder2288]

Easier, cheaper and better made to build your own.

[@michaelcosta2181]

Compared to HP's Z4/Z6/Z8 both systems look "home brew" and a bit unprofessional.

[@AndreiZamyatin-Svetovid]

Supermicro.

[@mz4637]

1

[@csaleman]

Unbelievable that a that price point they don't have ARGB. 😂

[@pbrigham]

10 year from now they will be on eBay for 500 dollars.