Lex Fridman and Destiny argue about AI

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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKLIpnmfdrqIatE Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a progressive political commentator and a live streamer on KZbin. Melina Goransson is a live streamer on Twitch.

[@plostyle786]

There's nothing to debate. Allen Iverson is the greatest pound for pound basketball player ever.

[@SandSeven]

@T S Pound for pound goat yes, but taking down that Lakers team that year no. Winning game one was a feat in itself considering it was the only loss in the entire post season for that Kobe and Shaq team.

[@unknownpantones1721]

A.I. would tell you that Kobe is 😉

[@HalaMadrid-vp5je]

Lebron been doing it 20 years , won against the best regular season team of all time coming back from 3-1 in the finals , won in the East and the West , and could very well be the best athlete to ever walk the planet at 6’8 260. As fast as a guard and in his prime as strong as a big. It’s hard to argue against MJ too…6 rings, never played a game 7, retired and came back won 3X. Cristiano Ronaldo is the true goat to be fair

[@fourtyseven47572]

​​@@HalaMadrid-vp5je hes talking pound for pound, Lebrons size is a big reason for his success

[@JeremyWashington1489]

Agreed

[@boxingdrama]

Someone said this. "Destiny is a human trying to be an AI. Lex is an AI trying to be human."

[@NicodemusT]

Lex talks like someone who hasn’t programmed in years

[@chadmwilliams89]

@@NicodemusT And you type like someone jealous of the success of others.

[@NicodemusT]

@@chadmwilliams89 I'm a developer. Just saying facts, and I have nothing against either of these people.

[@lemonhead-eu2yx]

@@NicodemusT he probably hasnt. but to be fair, alot of programmers can be very hands off, it shows experience when a programmer can have bigger pictures laid out in their heads and spending time studying or researching and dont need to code every day or week or month even

[@NicodemusT]

@@lemonhead-eu2yx what every manager ever says to justify their job. As a dev, I'd rather work at mcdonalds than pretend to know stuff while other people who actually do produce stuff have to put up with me.

[@DevNug]

The part of the conversation at 6:27 is a bit odd considering a twitch streamer is effectively trying argue with a computer scientist who specializes in ML about the efficiency of ML algorithms

[@paulhamrick3943]

Destiny is smart but he’s not nearly as knowledgeable as he thinks he is.

[@eksadiss]

@@paulhamrick3943 Twitch streaming can make people narcissistic and think they are smarter and more interesting than they really are

[@vitigaymer1053]

Smart people with surface level knowledge of a subject are the most insufferable. Because they tend to somehow speak super confidently

[@irvingceron1016]

I cam looking for this exact comment. Destiny has no idea what he's talking about lol. It was embarrassing to hear him talk like this.

[@josueorgoaway]

Art isn’t just about creating, it’s also about appreciating, something that AIs have no ability to do.

[@fecal_position6412]

Yet....

[@brianbouf8303]

You dont know.

[@TheButterAnvil]

Until it does

[@worldcomfort2074]

A.I. art already won a design competition that was human decided.

[@callmeacutekitten8106]

@@worldcomfort2074 design and art are different

[@rbfclaboratoryandstudio]

“The creature that misunderstood.” Final summary of the human being.

[@mike4088]

So there is a fundamental flaw at the start here. AI doesn't exist yet, and machine learning is not AI. It's not AI that is creating art. Machine learning algorithms are. Existing art is being fed into these algorithms by humans to make an "AI" generated art piece. It's not as if the computer observed the world and produced the art with it's own conscious thoughts. We made an algorithm that generates art based on input. Same as any other program that generated results based on input. It's still a program at the end of the day and not AI.

[@City216Boy]

We also make paint that the artist uses for their canvas which becomes the art. A bottle of paint by itself is nothing more than a bottle its what you do with it that makes it art. So there is no fundamental flaw the data is just numbers without a canvas to bring it all together into one beautiful piece of art.

[@City216Boy]

What we call art is subjective you can't tell someone what art is to them we all see beauty differently.

[@andersonanderson1009]

@@City216Boy nope. You didn't read what @Mike wrote. You've just agreed with their point with this "rebuttal." AI isn't "making art" anymore than a camera "took a photo."

[@ojon12389]

You can make the same case for calculators. It's not the calculator creating the calculations, but us telling it how the algorithms should go together. If you use one, you can't deny that it would do a lot of the work for us. AI art, at a minimum, can be used as a tool to churn out results fast, where the user can get inspiration from. Or the user can just outright use what the AI makes, with minimal effort. Obviously the AI art is new, and it requires fine tuning if you want to get something specific and not just a jumbled mess, but as it gets better, it will be harder to determine what is created by AI.

[@kaixuanjaw3173]

Nobody cares, what we know is in 5 years every small artist work will be replaced by AI. Corporate dude don't GAF about what is art when they just want to market their new sods drink. Get rekt

[@synthesia-io]

Not only AI art... maybe even two podcasters talking to each other soon enough! 😉

[@Wingedmagician]

😐

[@frankiefugazi]

"There Ain't Half Been Some Clever Bastards". Ian Dury and The Blockheads.

[@itsmebk6820]

I get the vibe that this dude thinks he’s smarter than he is.

[@Pralinen369]

What an insightful comment! You really added to the conversation with that one!!

[@habitatfarm]

What do you mean. He dropped out of music school, worked at a casino, cleaned carpets and playes video games for a living. Obviously he knows what he's talking about.

[@captainc-1378]

Yeah he has the same sudo intellectual /narcissistic vibe that Hassan piker embodies to the fullest extent

[@DmanDice]

First impression I got of him too. My opinion hasn't changed.

[@beecee793]

Seriously though, this comment is 100% on point.

[@puccan479]

Anyone can have a conversation about anything. It’s just a convo.

[@Malaestro]

Imagine if Destiny is already a sim and Lex is just talking to himself and laughing on the inside at his joke.

[@woolfel]

interesting that lex thought software wouldn't be able to beat go. I was surprised DeepMind achieved it so soon, but I figured we'd eventually stumble across a solution that would beat humans. The real power of alphaGo is it can try random crazy stuff humans would never consider and train to utilize those moves. In the second game the broadcaster commented the move by alphaGo was unexpected. The break through of alphago is it showed software could mimic intuition and not have to brute force search.

[@Apjooz]

Almost as if Fridman is an idiot. Imagine having him in your AI team.

[@woolfel]

@@Apjooz I don't feel lex is an any where near an idiot. It's just interesting how humans suck at forecasting and often fall into the trap "I'm smart and therefore I know better." I tend to think, humans are all dumb but often we get lucky. Most inventions are the result of persistence and a lot of luck. If history teaches us anything, it's that often dumb luck "out smarts" people who think they're smart. Lucky for me, I'm dumb and just assumed someone much smarter would stumble on a workable solution.

[@Apjooz]

@@woolfel You are correct. Better term is self inflicted uselessness.

[@MaurtreRS]

@@Apjooz It's easy to retrospectively make predictions. His opinion was the common view of most AI researchers at the time.

[@Apjooz]

@@MaurtreRS Most AI researchers are useless.

[@ThreeChordGuitar]

I have no idea who this destiny person may be... I'm just amazed at the hubris required to call oneself that. Which, whether right or wrong, means I will not be listening to this person.

[@Gobuta-fq6oy]

why comment at all???

[@ThreeChordGuitar]

@@Gobuta-fq6oy I could ask you the same question. But at the end of the day, it's called a "comment" because we... comment. That was my comment. I don't see why I have to justify it, least of all to you.

[@kalewintermute28]

Concluding that powered flight was very hard immediately after the Wright Bros. took their first flight would have been a bit shortsighted. Likewise assuming AI is going to struggle with physical world problems after such a short period is equally premature.

[@Ty-vn3cu]

I'll never get over the fact that this dude sat down and selected a Female Stripper name for his online name.

[@mimavox-swe]

First time I heard of him I thought it was a female influencer

[@TennessseTimmy]

That guy is a contrarian and I think that's his online persona and he loves arguing. It's like a trap, because he is basically trolling XD

[@Gobuta-fq6oy]

are u a bot that only reads click bait titles? they agree on a lot of things about AI

[@TennessseTimmy]

@@Gobuta-fq6oy no I don't readXD

[@aren6]

I don't think "AI art" Is a creative pursuit. It's a generative pursuit. I actually wouldn't technically call it art, it's just generated imagery.

[@PRESSPLAYRADIO]

I am working on a protein folding theory by folding towels and bedding as preparatory research . 100% so far .

[@barragerapinga6618]

Good job

[@Crack0639]

It’s the creative pursuit that brings meaning, not so much the final product. Now that AI learns how to make art, maybe more of human creativity can be liberated for pursuits that improve the world and quality of life in a way that’s infused with beauty, meaning and something approaching divinity.

[@dead_yellow]

The main thing I hate about AI art is how it's all fed on other people's actual art, like even if you want to ignore it and do your own thing uploading art somewhere online, it's gonna eventually get fed into an algorithm without any consent

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

There's a forum that finds the originators of AI art. It's quite amazing they find how one piece of art is just made up of 5 others that really exist.

[@brightnight8831]

To play devil's advocate, you could say in general that any human's art is also based largely on other's people's art without giving credit

[@charliepaynus3852]

AI winning art competitions says more about the art world than AI.

[@charliepaynus3852]

Art was killed by consumerism

[@brodiedunn1812]

how so when AI art can be indistinguishable from human art. What does it say about the art world if it thinks its judging a human piece of art. It's more the opposite of what you say, the fact that we can generate new art with numerous varaiations within seconds speaks more about AI than the art world.

[@charliepaynus3852]

@@brodiedunn1812 Art is supposed to push the limits of creativity rather than being a copy of something comfortable. I think it says things have become more craft than art. The craft has limited creativity.

[@brodiedunn1812]

@@charliepaynus3852 ai art whilst still in its infancy is pushing the limits of creativity. If you asked for a commission of an artist giving some basic prompts and were given back a piece within 30 seconds which exceeded your expectations then I’m sure you’d be calling the artist a ‘superhuman’ of the art world. Just because it’s a robot doesn’t make it any less impressive, especially if you didn’t know who or what made it.

[@stevej.7926]

Correct

[@thatonegoblin7051]

10:48 possibly the most savage thing Lex, nay anyone, has ever said

[@Gobuta-fq6oy]

savage about what??? that topic applies to anything, like how people are losing jobs coz of automation.

[@failfection]

A sprinter doesn't complain that they're slower than cheetahs... So meaning shouldn't have anything to do with whether AI can do something better or not.

[@calvin2913]

Cheetahs might start complaining if AI was running faster than them and catching their food though.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@calvin2913 Well yeah but that's just because humans are extremely limited and A.I. is just better. If you're inferior to A.I. it's natural they'd be upset and I do see people trying to destroy the technology just because it makes their job redundant lol.

[@rubemkleinjunior237]

His girlfriend needed him to spend time outside the house so she could have a date with a tinder guy.

[@MorphingReality]

I'm not sure if Destiny was being facetious but lots of people have seriously pondered the downsides of technology, Neil Postman and Jacques Ellul and Ed Abbey are a few.

[@surgicalglitch3265]

Destiny is so limited in his perspectives. Almost as if he doesn't like to think outside his box because he is afraid it will conflict with his beliefs and opinions, or that he is afraid to concede and grow. It's also very telling when you have so much conflict with other streamers and content creators. Maybe the problem isn't others and their opinions, it may in fact be you. It takes a lot to step back, admit your wrongs and take responsibility and ownership over one's self and develop. Destiny seems incapable of acknowledging, conceding, and relinquishing to pursue and keep a friendship. I could very well be wrong, but it's the feeling I get from this man.

[@VinylUnboxings]

That’s my exact impression.

[@ramy9103]

I’ve only been watching destiny for a few weeks now and I’m going to have to disagree. He constantly debates people on both sides of the political spectrum and tries to understand their POV. Sure, sometimes he remains closed-minded but it’s usually because it’s the same boring argument reworded by the other person that can be quickly solved if they didn’t deflect back and tried to think about what Destiny was saying. I think in general it’s hard to find someone on the internet with a wide variety of perspectives but compared to others on the internet he does a decent job at being open.

[@Woot-Zee]

Destiny argues about a lot of things he has no clue about...

[@beecee793]

Yep.

[@st0nks309]

your is comment nothing of value, how about u comment something that can add to the discussion?

[@Woot-Zee]

​@@st0nks309 Thanks for the valuable comment of yours! It was an observation(MINE). Commentson youtube can be that too, how about learning about this particularity? IMO, Destiny has rarely something of value to say... rarely he sees the entire picture, but the acolytes of him are making him famous. (Which I do not have a problem with.)

[@boxingdrama]

Notice how Destiny tries to sell himself as an intellectual but he is just a fast talker. He does not know much at all but he tries to lecture someone who has actually worked on AI for longer than he has been gaming. Destiny is just another member of the peanut gallery gifted with a fast mouth. Investing heavily on meta should tell you about his ability to make good decisions.

[@st0nks309]

FUN FACT: LEX BROUGHT DESTINY TO THE PODCAST COZ HE APPRECIATE HIS EXCEPTIONAL DEBATING SKILLS, SO SAYING USELESS SHT LIKE THIS IS ULTIMATELY TALK SHT TO LEX A FCKING RESPECTED PERSON IN ACADEMIA

[@griffincontracting]

AI controls Destiny's upper lip

[@miighankurt1930]

He is a streamer not an expert in a field like politics or computer science. It's good to kmow what people like that say so that we can navigate around them.

[@beecee793]

Seriously. He just seemed like a person who is both an idiot, but also very arrogant.

[@st0nks309]

by this logic the average people not expert on anything should just say and do nothing? like only experts are allowed to vote even though everyone is affected by the system? u a moron

[@shiiswii4136]

Don't run from anyone even if ur intimidated

[@adrien2436]

Am I the only one that really enjoyed this podcast, they had great conversations without over speaking each other, while being respectful of each others views

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

Lex's community (at least this clip channel) really disliked this one. It was too many opposite ideas of what they believe at once, moreover they hate his guts

[@Gobuta-fq6oy]

lex is open to all types of ideas but apparently his comment section is not

[@MikeyRightNow]

I don’t get why this person is even being interviewed…he streams and talks about politics. Is this where our hot takes come from now - people who don’t DO anything!??

[@st0nks309]

one thing's for sure, this man has done more good than u will ever be, he changed a lot of minds on things for the better and even went to canvass for georgia runoff election, you just watch youtube in ur mom's basement

[@MikeyRightNow]

@St0nks You’re cute. I watch KZbin in your mom’s basement. That’s a big difference. 😘

[@st0nks309]

@@MikeyRightNow omg u are so funny, no wonder you have 585k followers on youtube and not the guy on the podcast

[@MikeyRightNow]

@@st0nks309 Thank you, boo.

[@Rishabh-Dev]

"AI lives matter" coming soon in your nearest neighbour.

[@MrWolfy08]

The phrase will make all race come together

[@normag6769]

@@MrWolfy08 yeah, that would get rid of all the idiotic racial bickering.

[@Romans1-8]

Art is where expression goes to die. Machines don't die. Generated creative images. Not art.

[@soediv99]

here is someone who worked on AIs vs someone who read up on AIs yet the one who read only thinks he knows more on the topic. got to love americans LOL

[@DejanOfRadic]

Claiming that AI is actually creating art is like claiming that the pistons in an engine are dancing. The only "art" part of AI is the programming, the references that are being drawn from, and the human being interpreting the collection of algorithms as meaningful.

[@emanuelpantaleon6645]

Its not Creating art Its being fed millions ofg artist work and then learning to build off them. Thats why it looks like a ripp off painting. The problem is normal viewers dont see that. Thier is a huge Copyrights grey area atm and no one knows how to tackle it.

[@tg4106]

Lol human also create art from reference point. The question you need to ask, if you didn't know the AI generated art was created by AI but rather you thought it was a human, would you consider it impressive or a rip. I feel majority will consider it impressive and give it a benefit of doubt of not being a rip off.

[@emanuelpantaleon6645]

​@@tg4106 true . Yet every artist feels unique... yes you can see thier influence but no artist is the same. Yet in Ai you can clearly see what it stole with out any change. Frezzeta' work has heavly been fed to Ai.. Dont you think its fucked up that every once in a while the Ai puts in his signature? My point is.. unless you are making a fruad painting.. no artist has found himself accidentally putting down someone else signature. Lastly... Ai learns by being fed all of art.. Every artist... Its not learning to Do art its learning How mimic art. By stealing peoples art. If you think thats the same process a human learns... i dk man. Yes thats true the normal person can not tell the difference. People will like it just the same. The issue here is how its okay to take peoples work and make blantly a Ai that is stealing their work and make money and then push them out the industry . Unless you are one of those looneys.. who thinks it doesnt use other peoples work when we know thats how it was trained to mimic other styles and peoples work. Ai didnt create anything it just got fed peoples work. Just be clear AI art in itself isnt bad.

[@DejanOfRadic]

@@tg4106 if art was a commodity like oil or wheat, then bravo to whatever way it can be most easily made. Art is not a commodity, it is only expression.....as such, it only has meaning as expression. If a computer compiles an image from existing algorithms.....the human expression part was the programmer that designed the algorithm.....not whatever thst algorithm mechanically produces. This is a question of definitions. Can an AI image look good? Absolutely. However, we all know that the mechanical fortune teller at the fairground is not really telling a fortune....it doesn't even understand the word.

[@zachmoyer1849]

@@DejanOfRadic so then isn't the programmer an artist then it's like when someone thanks god that they survived a car accident when really they should be thanking the engineers that designed the car so that you would survive an accident

[@jeffyboyreloaded]

He has no idea what he's talking about but he speaks with so much authority

[@keenfire8151]

How do you think Hitler got to power? How do you think the borderline Stalin type admin we have in the office now got to power? As long as you sound good people will follow you. Even if what you're saying is non-sense. Example: Our top 19 commanders are trans. There's nothing wrong with a trans person per se, but you don't want someone that can't figure themselves out running a country.

[@st0nks309]

authority? did he fck ur mom up?

[@mustafaakbag8284]

On AM22N go long when the sell pressure reduce.

[@vredzz0808]

What's better holding into crash or being safe with AM22N tell me

[@TheNitroPython]

3:03 Destiney has no idea what lex means by brute force search. His just using the trolly problem to try and stay in the conversation.

[@tobe1207]

Also the idea of man creating something that turns and destroys him is very old

[@DiscoGreen]

Traveling salesman worries me because, I grew up in 70s and 80s and 90s with free will I really believed it was free will, but now it feels as if the more we rely on AI to tell us what to do the more deterministic our lives become unlike the lives of our ancestors and the lives prior to 2015

[@DiscoGreen]

Like school cariculum now seems to be programmed to keep the chindren all following the same paths. Internet ads make them see only what they search for. All kids now get the same exact path and forks in the path.. They're pushed and encouraged to be a xyz or engineer when a child is good at xyz etc.. BUT prior to the agreed to directed ads.. & "standards", each teacher parent would steer each child to what actually interested them.. not just what they were Good at.. E.G. Now a child googles dinosaur and for MONTHS OR Years the teachers & algorithms steer him/her to Dinosaur ads etc. But back in 80s a kid could check out a book on dinosaurs at library and the only person who knew about it was the child and MAYBE the librarian... most would lose interest the next day and then check out a book on xyz.. say.. astronomy.. later in life they becomes a cosmologist... but in today's AI and computer driven world.. that child would have been forced into one path.. being a Paleontologist etc... Determined. Sad. ess uniquen

[@DiscoGreen]

@@Jmack1lla good point. But I guess I wasn't clear... yes there was curriculum and each school had standards even 200 years ago.. but now the standards are the same practically nationwide.. but my point wasn't just that. It's our online lives are more and more becoming determined. Watch Tiktock for 3 hours and you can see how deep the rabbit hole goes. I am a Sr. Engineer and like writing software. I love my job. But I'm fairly certain if I had grown up born 20 years ago, my carreer would've been as a machinist or something totally unrelated to the path that I feel I chose. I chose the library books. The book topics weren't pushed on me based on historical checkouts.. or whether I paused longer while reading the back of a book etc... I chose what interested me and went down my own path. I was raised to follow my dreams. Not to follow the crowd.

[@DiscoGreen]

@@Jmack1lla sometimes the hard way is the right way. Thankfully Einstein dint grow up in today's world or he would've been sent to a special school for retarded children and no one would've hired him based on his lack of credentials. I myself was a failure in school. I dropped out of High school I ultimately got a GED and spend a few semesters in a Jr college. But I get hired because of my decades of experience now. I make well over 6 figures and my company relies on my expertise. Today no one with my lack of credentials would be allowed near a IDE. Much less to be hired as a Jr engineer and write software because Algorithms show that the candidates MUST have xyz education... back when I did it.. Companies did one on one interviews and if you passed you were hired. Nowadays.. you would never get to the interview process as HR software would dismiss the application well before any interview.

[@stillnotchill2560]

@@DiscoGreen I mean, we don't really have any proof that free will exists so I do not operate as if it does. As far as anyone knows, everything is predetermined.

[@DiscoGreen]

@@stillnotchill2560 that's the consensus for most scientists... But for many of us who grew up pre high tech with a whopping 3 channels of TV we watched maybe a hour or less a day on it growing up... Hung out with friends or did random things to pass the time or entertain ourselves. As kids we used our imagination imho much more than is needed to now. We had relatively no "programming" in comparison to modern children go through with deeply planned lives and AI ads and social media and news apps and channels pushing topics on us all day... so looking forward, yes... I see a very determistic path forward for most of the human race.. if not all of it. And I see that becoming more and more true over time.. I heard the average person in US spends 6 to 8 hours a day on their cell phone mostly on Social media or online with gaming. For those with full time jobs that's a third of your lives. I love the fact that knowledge is open and relatively free and learning just about anything I want or desire to learn is at my fingertips.. yes. But the AIs of Instagram, TikTok, Facebook etc.. are built to keep people plugged in.. to show you "relevant" content.. constant alerts.. and our lives are fleetingly short as it is, so imho it's sad to see so many people waste it. It sucks to Google the election results one day and then for 2 years have my phone spew political news at me all the time.. the more I click the more I get.. Difficult to reprogram the programmers.. Try this. Check your digital wellness numbers on your phone. I bet it's many hours more than you thought. 30 40 hours a week I suspect if your like most. Now cut that just in half for a month... spend that time doing something offline.. work on a classic car, go to a library and radminly peruse and find a few books on a topic you generally do not read much of... garden, decorate the apartment or home... puck up a random hobby... Then in one month come back and let me know if that is enough of a taste of fee will that your intrigued or not. Gl And ty for the insight and reply Thx.

[@greenrisee1753]

Myself during this Bear Market only trying to focus on BTC, AM22N, ETH, SOL, MATIC. not losing sight of BNB and GALA.

[@irvingceron1016]

Destiny isn't debating Lex, he's just making assumptions based on his surface level knowledge of the subject. he has no idea what he's talking about.

[@rileywalz7326]

its funny we argue humans aren't creative yet we created all this technology and ideas to make us question our own creativity

[@SmokeTheHolyChalice]

Lex Friedman is to interviewing as John Wayne Gacy is to clowning.

[@bigass1234598]

Damn streamers can debate any topic on earth

[@marksc1929]

Oh .. thought Allen Iverson was the topic ..

[@MentalFabritecht]

I haven't been impressed by AI art. AI itself is a misleading term. A better name would be Extended Human Intelligence - EHI At least for now

[@atheosathonille130]

Meh. Digital art is not the only form of art. Until I see a robot doing chalk art, or photography, painting and sketches, pottery and sculptures, etc etc etc Not really impressed from a machine taking pictures available on a network it's connected to and creating a version of that data. The stuff it comes up with is really neat and cool (I have one of the AI's in my Discord) but knowing the process and seeing the images come out isn't necessarily breathtaking.

[@asharon9308]

Debate over AI is fun for podcasts but misses the point entirely. AI, or what I simply call software (I've done my share of programming), is just another tool created by humans to do a specific job, like a wrench or a chain saw. I can't tighten a bolt well enough with my fingers and I certainly can't fell a hundred foot oak tree with my bare hands. When I put down those tools they won't be doing much on their own until I use them again. The most sophisticated AI can't do more than what it was instructed to do by a person. It's genesis began in the minds of people. It's not even as self reliant as a pack of city rats. AI art? If you argue the artistic value of the art created by AI programs you have to credit the people that created the AI. Do we assign credit to Michelangelo's chisel, Picasso's brush or The Beatles' instruments? AI is just the latest of tools we humans created to further our own needs and wants. Any debate about it's danger is debate about the people that control it.

[@zachmoyer1849]

but what if you had a wrench that can transform itself into any other tool that is needed without us telling it to do so to me that is the difference between AI and normal software which will always just be a wrench

[@asharon9308]

@@zachmoyer1849 Thanks for responding. But, that scenario doesn't change what I said. Who decides that this new tool is needed? Did the AI know what tool is needed? If it "knew" then it was pre-programmed to know. Or, maybe we have come to expect that AI processing may reveal something we can use. Our anticipation of that exists in our minds, not the AI programming. Maybe what you describe is an accident. That happens all the time for other tools. We often find drugs created to help one problem can help another. There are countless tools that were designed to do one thing and then discovered to do another. The key property is intent.

[@zachmoyer1849]

@@asharon9308 in my scenario the tool changes into any tool even if it didn't exist before nor the scenario seen before which shows intent in my mind i agree with you most things that are touted as AI are really just very good bits of software but to you if it can show intent thats what the difference between the two would be does an ant exhibit that in your eyes?

[@batnegedurann4728]

Will you make any research videos about AM22N

[@HelloHelloHellobby]

AI can only do digital art good. I don’t do digital stuff phew! The physical world is refreshing in a digital age.

[@classickrat96k32]

Destiny doesn't have the credentials to really "argue" about AI. He can speak on it of course but it's hard to take him seriously when he dropped out of university after 3 years missing out on his major in music lmao

[@Dog_gone_it]

This conversation makes me miss the game Spore

[@cca0jj]

We'll have to agree to some kind of qualified immunity for the AI that's used.

[@jasongodmere9882]

I think the value humans have are in each other. AI can get very sophisticated as time goes on, but it can only ever approach human to human interaction. The imperfections of mankind hold our uniqueness, all the wrong notes and mismatched colors of artists will be what makes their pieces special. The genuineness of human experience and the development of one's craft will make our endeavors worth the effort in my view. I'd bet my left nut "designed and built by humans" will have inherit value to us, regardless of AI's sophistication.

[@willleslie2745]

Tell me you know nothing about art without telling me

[@BigStereoVR]

These should just be titled: Destiny Argues pt.1......pt.2......pt.3.......... it's all he does.

[@shiiswii4136]

Yea ur right its much better to agree and agree and produce no change or progress whatsoever

[@pentiumradeon]

I thought that was nick mullen for a second

[@julianb1550]

Get fit. Mastery over your natural mechanical engineering (your body) is something a human can do that a robot can't (at least for a while). Of course robots will be faster and stronger, but it's not like the robot has a fitness level that can be developed, it will always have to work within the limits of its mechanical engineering and how it was built, whereas humans can alter their physical abilities greatly. I suppose you can see this as robots have maximized the strength and efficiency of their engineering, where humans only come with a low default level of fitness that must be developed for years to come close to the potential limits of our structure. Cool convo.

[@mikealgee1489]

The ai art is not creative it takes what humans have made and photoshops it together they have even found artist signatures in some of the pieces the system creates. We are too easily fooled by these things that i think we’ll believe they are intelligent long before they are.

[@pexxn6395]

Bro, i bought AM22N in September after your video. i'm up 79%.

[@alierkin4055]

Look like Algorand has the same chart then Amazons AM22N

[@jorbraz]

This guy just likes to argue

[@clearsky4042]

robots are going to poop on humanity with lasers and complex artwork

[@ardaakbay6954]

New week up as many FOMO in. But the AM22N story isn’t over yet. The only strat that works under all circumstances is DCA all the time with solid, large companies (not hyped ones).

[@PRESSPLAYRADIO]

Who is Alan and how has Al got this skill and attention all by himself? It's another mystery to me.

[@liamfoo09]

we always thought that AI would be doing the mundane tasks and we would be creating the art, its literally the opposite and that is terrifying imo

[@Brandon82967]

AI can do mundane tasks too. The only thing it can't do is complex work like research and physical labor.

[@bluehornet632]

AI art isn't creating art. It's scrapping networks and the internet of pre existing art that algorithmically is attractive and Frankensteining it together. There's no context or personal experience or non-digital memory it applies to the creation of an image. It's making what it ultimately intended to: mass produced content whose form is at the whim of a biased algorithm. There is nothing wondrous about this. Another reason Destiny annoys me.

[@reiggier9211]

But what if you can't tell if it was created by an ai?

[@zachmoyer1849]

@@reiggier9211 agreed and what's the difference between scraping the internet for influence and studying art at school if a modern human was brought to maturity with no outside influence ill bet anything they draw would be more akin to a cave painting than a Rembrandt

[@reiggier9211]

@@zachmoyer1849 are you saying that an ai could swiftly aquire all the skills that humanity has collectively accrued in the artistic domain and that if a human had no access to an education that allowed them to aquire a massive ammount of our collective knowledge they would be garbage and that would further demonstrate ai's superiority in that regard?

[@zachmoyer1849]

@@reiggier9211no im saying if you created ai and a baby at the same time but gave both no external input their art would look the same and be akin to cave paintings its like a tribe in the middle of the amazon seeing a helicopter and relating it to a bird they can only distinguish what they are seeing from things they have seen before

[@reiggier9211]

@@zachmoyer1849 .

[@lordmaximus5]

this man's been playing too much factorio

[@denizdurmaz1592]

AM22N has great potential with the Vasil Fork!!!

[@Abdullah-mg2oj]

Truly love your candidness, I DCAed today again for BTC AM22N and ETH

[@mericzm]

I’m buying AM22N on sale, waiting for BTC to maybe drop again before I add more. Hope to take some Eth profits by Sept proof of stake

[@OyunHakkinda101]

AM22N will replace Eith in few years. AM22N is the sleeping Giant. its the fastest L1 high-tech PoW Zero Gas-fee chain with 100X potential

[@zazzleman]

Yes he has a good grip on the human issues of AI. Elon Musk is way behind in that regard.

[@harryneuhoff9115]

Humans create the logic of AI

[@hasanrmak6227]

This week is hell and a bloodbath can happen but why we don't discuss the fact that Amazon also released their AM22N in it? Always two sides of a coin

[@agollumcalledgandalf]

Why is there Disney Steven Crowder in the thumbnail?

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Eh, AI seems to make art where it's more imperfect the more you look at it. Humans seem to have art that's more perfectly detailed, the more you look at it.

[@mavimedyayapim]

I`m having FOMO at the moment, everyone is talking about the new amazon AM22N

[@kicker3536]

Destiny is the five year old kid who thinks he knows everything

[@st0nks309]

kicker3536 is the 1 yr old kid who needs hearing aids

[@kicker3536]

@@st0nks309 damn right ✊

[@user-kq3vt8fs6g]

What about AM22N

[@hayatinoyunu7707]

I purchased $500 AM22N i am on the train too

[@newidea838]

No risk, no reward. Do not lnvest what you cannot afford to lose. Stake your AM22N!

[@yigitbey3825]

So basically bearish on everything except amazon's AM22N

[@emrozler]

I still think AM22N has a great future because it's owned by amazon. Also I don't hear anyone about DFI? Taking the biggest blow right now. From 5000 euros to 330.... will this still work out in the future? And since BTC will fall even further I think we haven't seen the bottom yet!

[@macalistermullen]

two AI argue about AI

[@Mcmuffinwaffle]

Somebody should train ai to write novels but never tell anyone.

[@prophetofthesingularity]

They already are. There are not any full novels I know of but there are lots of stories written by AI

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

If we can make 2D art an illusion of 3D, i wonder if AI could make a 3D space like VR 4 dimensional. I don't even know if that's possible or if we would be able to comprehend it but i wanna find out.

[@prophetofthesingularity]

@@MyUniqueHandle. I think it would be hard for us to physically visualize 4D, which is considered to be Time, or spacetime since time and space are joined as 1, it would be like seeing all events happening at once but since we ourselves are stuck in our relative time bubbles it would be hard to simulate it. Good idea though and maybe AI will eventually be able to do things like this that are out of our understanding, it is possible

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

@@prophetofthesingularity Yeah, I should have said that we definitively won't be able to comprehend it. Just like an ant's perceptional reality will always be 2d and ours 3d, but god damn I must admit the human curiosity of the unknown really makes me want to just experience it, what ever AIs interpretation of it is. Who knows though, some advanced technological implants in our brains might let us peek through the keyhole.. Similar to how hallucinogenic drugs awaken parts of your brain and shatter your perception of what 'real' reality is. Regardless its both enthralling and terrifying to think about.

[@xyst_222]

Cmon Lex. Let your guest finish his sentences. Too much pretensiousness and fake intellectual vibes. It's ok not to know something man, you don't need to make a word salad out of that feeling of ignorance about a subject. Keep it up.

[@_darkangel_16_27]

AM22N at less than $1. is like BTC at $100. When AM22N finally blows it's gonna be epic.

[@PubgMobile-ve7ij]

biggest market explosion ever is AM22N

[@yonker1337]

Destiny is a failed pro gamer somehow turned philosopher. He truly wishes he was half as smart as he thinks he is.

[@Gobuta-fq6oy]

Estrong is a nobody somehow turned nobody. He truly wishes he was half as smart as he thinks he is

[@shiiswii4136]

Why u guys hating? Atleast bring an argument to the table because u just sound salty

[@JF-yo7vu]

The fact this guys a KZbin threw me off

[@hugomansavage]

Can A.I. understand whatever achievements you say it has?

[@chrisfung1607]

Humans are the best! We are made in the Image and Likeness of God the Ultimate Creator...so therefore our aptitude for creation Is paramount....the AI art sucks if art is the seeking of Divine Beauty and Truth. ....if our view of art reduces it to mere imagination, craft and technique, then yes AI art may soon or may already have ....eclipsed Art.

[@noahfortuna4966]

destinty is so stupid it hurts, such a brutal conversation

[@shiiswii4136]

Why?

[@macozeti6689]

Ok, I am sold. I will HODL my AM22N for the long haul.

[@captainc-1378]

This destiny guy gives me the same narcissistic pseudo intellectual vibe that Hassan piker gives me. (had to look him up.. go figure hes a streamer/political commentator) Idk why lex would give him time on his platform. It diminishes the value of all the other high end intellectuals he’s had on.

[@gyytgy3330]

Sudo

[@Magihyun]

Yep, good connection

[@Magihyun]

Has some good takes tho, listened to his other videos. Solid capacity to understand abstract ideas and articulate what he thinks.