Elon Musk on war with China | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips

[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH-WfIN8l7x2r5o Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Elon Musk is CEO of X, xAI, SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink, and The Boring Company.

[@dtsai]

China has great skylines because we choose to buy their toys and sell our money to them. If that were to reverse or the West stopped buying from them, they would no longer be in their position. You cannot sell to yourself. If you don't believe it, have your wife make 1 million of cookies per day and be her only customer and buy them all every day. You will discover, your family has nothing except way too many cookies because it still cost money to buy the ingredients for 1 million cookies.

[@dtsai]

If they want to peacefully get Taiwan Island, let the country move it's Chip Factories out. Carve land out in USA and Mars and the Moon for Taiwan, let the people move to the new country who want to. Problem solved. However, if they want show they have the biggest military to take over the world, then you have to figure that out.

[@reincarnatedmosquito]

Who built china ? USA Bankers. They moved all factories to china. They provided all technologies. They also gave money by buying all chinese made products. China is flush with money and built train bridges roads and cities in no time. Why no one blaming zionist bankers? They want to destroy america to make china as only super power. No one dare to mention this. Their goal as far as i see is Population reduction using china. BRI is scheme every country industry will be destroyed. Everyone will depend on chinese products. Without local industries every one will be kidnapped victim who survived on sperm of kidnapper. its just that They will issue order to china dont supply any more goods to this country as they dont follow LGBQT+ laws. Bam that country is ruined .. no food ..famine and pandemic Rinse and repeat for Global south countries. Anyone with common sense and vision see where the Power is moving towards.

[@reincarnatedmosquito]

Elon musk is simply superior conman

[@dtsai]

Musk and everyone else is getting part of their false info from the CCP Communist AI Bot. He drank the false cool aid about China not being expansionist. If you compare historic China with present day, you will see that China is almost double it's historic size because it has 3 huge countries that are not Chinas. China likes to use the strategy where they put a turtle in a pot of water and slowly boil it so that the turtle doesn't know it's dead. I bet according to the Communist AI, history will be rewritten to say Mongolia, Tibet & Xinjiang were always part of China. BTW, you can already see the news feed saying the American Indians have Chinese DNA, so that means... go back to Europe, North America belongs to China!

[@andrewferguson6901]

Really appreciate the topic focused cuts from a big interview, the whole piece can be hard to watch but 15 minutes at a time and i end up catching most of it anyway

[@almightydiaz]

Low attention span

[@GoldKunai]

Bruh attention spans can’t be this cooked already 😭

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

They were that cooked ages ago. To be fair it IS a straight up information overload. Ive watched the full interview. @@GoldKunai

[@FreekFreeksma]

@@frostysixyou don’t watch a podcast by itself. Only psychopaths do that. Play it in the background while you’re driving, doing dishes, chores etc

[@billymadison8574]

​@@frostysix Dialogue heavy movies or any Tarantino film & college lectures must be nightmares huh..?

[@tye829]

Used to live in China (I'm American, moved back to the US about 7 years ago). Have lots of Chinese friends. They see things relatively the similarly to Americans, in my experience. They don't hate Americans -- they do think our govt. is wrong just like we think theirs is wrong -- but the younger generation especially actually thinks Americans are sort of "cool" ... Like they listen to stuff like Britney Spears, watch NBA, wear American-style fashion, watch American movies (Marvel is really big)... It's interesting the youth culture of China is very similar to the American pop culture, but from 10 years ago. It's like they are just 10 years behind us pop culture wise. Also, you factor in that the US-China economic relationship is. the largest the world has ever known. Neither country will jeopardize that, the relationship would have to get a lot worse than it is now.. A lot worse. Right now it is in both countries' best interest to get along and it's really not a question. It's pretty clear. I just bring this up because we so often hear about all the negative US-China stuff -- all the stuff that points to impending war and gets people scared -- but we seldom hear about all the positive things about the US-China relationship, and the indicators that there will not be war. You have to weigh both of these things together, weigh the + and - ... I think war with China is much much further off than people would suggest.

[@mickmack8999]

Let’s hope so 🤞

[@bibekjung7404]

ALMIGHTY GOD KABIR is the father of all souls that JESUS, MOHAMMAD, GURU NANAK, VEDH was telling in BIBLE, QURAN, GURU GRANTHA SAHEB😊😊

[@Thelarrymuscle]

🙏🏽

[@tyrone_shoelace_says]

There’s a very small group of people who desire conflict and not a single one from that group ever engages in the conflict directly

[@DeeJayRocha]

All this stuff is cool to think about until you remember the older generations are still in power & the older generations of China want Taiwan.

[@kylorenkardashian79]

People love criticizing China while in line at Walmart

[@QQ-qz5ft]

I’d go a step further and say people like criticizing China in their homeless tents. Even homeless, alcoholic, drug addicts know dictatorial racist governments are garbage. We don’t even need to go up the smart chain to people in line at Walmart. The dredges of society know China sucks. But, lululul you’re clever right cause people at Walmart are dumbz0rs lul. Chinese people know China sucks. They move en masse to America, Canada, Europe, Australia etc. Chinese people are even moving in large groups to Taiwan. Anywhere but China. See ya on that line, most likely freely, and not in China.

[@TLiu-1b]

The government needs an enemy to keep the low intelligence, high energy Americans busy.

[@kingiam9271]

Elon won't dare criticize China

[@spudwesth]

I never shop there.

[@rhymeswithteeth]

@@RockBrentwood Musk totally danced around Lex's question about China. It was quite humourous and very telling.

[@J-Ernie]

Completely agree, During my two trips to China, I had the opportunity to explore both urban and rural areas. Everywhere I went, I witnessed remarkable beauty and advancements.

[@ivonnatrolue6747]

I saw people shitting in the streets.

[@LordJagd]

@@ivonnatrolue6747 Happens in the middle of what are supposed to be the most advanced cities in the USA too, not to mention all the tent cities of drug addicted and mentally broken homeless people.

[@Realcolby954]

@@ivonnatrolue6747😂😂😂😂

[@josiekaposie5783]

compare it to US cities on the decline and your government is more interested in foreign power .

[@AirRider44]

@@ivonnatrolue6747there’s people shitting in the streets here…

[@SeanKubin]

Most people will want to be left alone. The idea that your enemy will seek revenge creates a cycle of violence. The fear of retribution prevents acts of kindness.

[@zollen123]

A lesson Russians will learn the hard way.

[@TheRealUsername]

​@@zollen123Ukraine violated Minsk agreements, Russia just responded

[@zollen123]

@@TheRealUsername So therefore a correct response would be to invade and annex Ukraine, correct?

[@kimhoalethi4430]

Vì

[@zollen123]

@@TheRealUsername Russia has long since become a weak inferior country ruled by inferior people.

[@fibonaccifanzeroviews7839]

I like that elon's not afraid to ask questions or further a conversation about stuff he doesn't know.

[@will201084]

Elon knows all about China.. so he won't say chit and bow

[@Chris-es3wf]

He sure likes talking about things he doesn't know.... he kind of embarrassed himself here.

[@fibonaccifanzeroviews7839]

@@Chris-es3wf who cares that's how you learn by making an ass out of yourself most of the time. I'm not afraid to look stupid if the knowledge is profiting me.

[@zachdave2994]

@@shiroi5672Man lives in a factory and has 12 children living in his company town made of Lego bricks. I’d say he’s adopted a few of their traits.

[@GoodLordandGod]

Which part isn't incorrect or wrong. All he said is true but I am happy to enlighten you.

[@opencurtin]

The British and the USA wanted Germany to be treated easier after the end of WW1 but the French wanted to stop the Germans from attacking again especially after they were made pay war indemnities after the 1870 war which the french third republic had to pay to the German Empire to get land back .

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

It wasn’t out of some sort of kindness. American policy after WW2 was very clear: keep Germany down, Russia out and America in. It’s still working out very well for America. The situation that the Americans doctored in Russia has made sure that Europe will remain a backwater for the coming century and that America will be the boss. Well played, Americans.

[@opencurtin]

@@mithrandirthegrey7644 Europe got addicted to Putins oil .a self inflicted wound depending on a Mafia gangster for you energy .

[@frannsh5100]

Hitler wanted to negotiate. It was the war mongering Churchill who refused… if that fat idiot had been on the front line I’m sure he wouldn't have been so quick to refuse… instead of sending millions of german and english young people to their deaths… fat old farts killing young people is never a good look…

[@jfkst1]

Europe will remain a backwater because of EU immigration policies.

[@sl66ggehrubt]

Britain banned Germany from developing airplanes. Britain and USA were building up airports while German engineers had to flee the country to keep up with new technologies. Britain did it purely to gain competitive economic advantage against the superior industrial base in Germany.

[@doobiescoobie]

We need politicians who are able to extend an olive branch in this world. People willing to help others, sit and listen, collaborate and work towards a human goal to progress human knowledge and the global society.

[@jared1750]

Just so long as we don't have a global government, I'm game.

[@dapperbunch5029]

We already had that. It’s killed us.

[@VeniVidiVid]

“When goods and services don’t cross borders, soldiers will.“ An apocryphal quote, often attributed to Bastiat (but apparently better attributed to Otto T. Mallery). Regardless of the sourcing, the sentiment is probably correct. Going to war with your customer or your supplier carries the disincentive of interfering with your own flourishing. It may not be sufficient enough to prevent other reasons for war, but it certainly works against it. The best way for America and China to avoid war with each other is to continue trading with each other.

[@henrylicious]

Here's the issue. The trade between the west and China has been to the detriment of the U.S. save the portfolios of certain elites. Engagement with China has been a failure.

[@Shep720]

That's not always the case. As a capitalist I like the sentiment. The UK and Germany where very economically integrated before WWI. It was for not.

[@VeniVidiVid]

@@Shep720 Agreed. And though it may not have been sufficient enough to prevent other reasons for that war, it’s still an incentive for peace.

[@RobertKing-oq4fq]

@@VeniVidiVid also the US and Germany after WWI. US loaned out funds to cover French reparations, GM and Ford had German Divisions, Standard Oil stayed long enough to almost be tried for treason.

[@ryanclark3967]

Well that's ending. The US's biggest trading partners are now it's neighbors, Canada and Mexico. No longer China, and the trend is firmly away from China and back to US and it's trading partners/allies. Democrats and Republicans both compete to show who can be more anti-China. China's wolf warrior policy has cost them dearly.

[@boydwhite3708]

A cool thing was relayed in "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"...when Alaric the Goth conquered the Greeks his Generals asked whether all the books should be burned...but Alaric was quoted as saying, "No, as long as they are reading and writing books they won't be preparing for battle." That adds dimensions to the phrase, "If you want peace prepare for war." And, similar to libraries being destroyed around the world like the the Emporer Chin's destruction, the destruction of the Inca and Aztec string and codex's, Al Saladin's final destruction of the Library of Alexandria...the Greeks were lucky their books were not destroyed.

[@trvst5938]

You can’t take Elons word for any of what he says. The Greeks didn’t have a written history for centuries but they remember entire plays. Powerful minds. Intelligence in a different manner. So it’s not a simple concept, but it is a loss of intricate expressions of our humanity. These were all huge losses but much of it was lost to mercenary violence. And mercenary groups are making a comeback. Billionaires like Elon having their own private armies is the last thing we need. Wagner trained the Hamas troops involved in Oct. 7th. It’s a force of destabilization and that’s only ever brought instability to the state/ ruler in the territory they operate. Africa has been in constant wars since Britain left because of this. Opportunistic mercenary groups. 🫴

[@boydwhite3708]

@@trvst5938 Interesting insight. People did rely on memory and rote a lot before written languages...songs and chants included. Old Greek does stretch back a ways though...part of the Bible's New Testament was written in it. John Adam's learned it and said it was the purest language he knew.

[@freneticness6927]

@@trvst5938 Well he comes from africa where nothing was written down and so therefore there is no written history.

[@kouzelisantonios]

⁠​⁠@@trvst5938 Homer, whoever they were, wrote the epics Iliad and Odyssey around 800 BC. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle wrote a bunch on philosophy between 500 and 323 BC. So Elon is right saying that the Greeks wrote a lot, especially compared to other ancient civilizations

[@MusicismoreImportant]

​@@trvst5938Africa always were in wars South Africa zimbabwe Kenya Nigeria Egypt are the best African countries for education GDP per capita The french and German not so good African people sold their own people to Arabs first

[@addisontaylor5979]

Being a government of the people, arrogance need not be a factor in the international relations.

[@tillschoeber4126]

I am thrilled by this Interview. I am German and I did Not expect Elon Musk to have that much historical Insight into European history. I am mainly thrilled by his Christian concept of "conspicuous acts of kindness". This ist the way forward. Many thanks

[@g0inturbo]

Acts of kindness wasn't invented by Christians

[@tillschoeber4126]

@@g0inturbo I did not want to say that. I only meant that it is Christian teaching at its core. Also other religions advocate "acts of kindness" even though one may argue that they are not so central.

[@g0inturbo]

@@tillschoeber4126 100% agree 👍

[@OzayCardenas]

He’s a European.

[@tillschoeber4126]

@@OzayCardenas no, South-African

[@aperson7754]

My grandpa served for over 30 years in WW2, Korea and Vietnam. He was in the Berlin airlift as well for over 6 months. My favorite/proudest ribbon he has

[@screamingatthesky1878]

Respect to your grandpa dude, those Americans saved us Brits, when I was a kid we had the oldest UK poppy seller come to our school, he was a 94 year old Welshman who survived Aushwitz, he played as a Goalie in the camps British football team and explained when they were marched from Aushwitz towards the east in the snow becuase they had word the allies were closing in, he said they were all huddled into a barn together when at 2am they heard shouting and shooting, thinking they were going to get shot they cowered in the group praying and hoping the Germans didnt just lose their minds and want to kill them, when the barn door opened, a man shouted in "This is the American army, come out with your hands up" the moment the GI saw Roy the welshman he was stick and bone and couldnt feel his legs due to the cold, he used his last ounce of energy to hug the American GI and told him "God bless you for not giving up on us, I thought we were dead" the story still makes me feel a certain way and thats why Ill always back my American brothers and sisters to the end! Came to the other end of the world and survived hell all to help an old friend, we wont ever forget that. Semper Fi to you and your grandfather!

[@KolyaBennett]

​@@screamingatthesky1878Incredible story. God bless you and your family.

[@thegreatestkhan]

Mad respect. “We fought the wrong enemy” - General Patton

[@davidworede9754]

Cap rap

[@弗拉基米爾弗拉基米爾]

@@thegreatestkhanfollow your leader

[@ReginaJune]

A- culture difference B- unrealistic expectations C- perception D- all of the above

[@zhli4238]

There, Elon said it. Although it's true America can invade any country after WWII, but colonial conquering "uncivilized continents" Australia, American Continent, Africa is unlikely. There was a US-China war, the Korean War, that ended along 38th parallel to this date. Taiwan is a must to China because that's the old China's government that fled there.

[@chokwoo5720]

For the past few decades, US only fought with flip flop soldiers, arm only with AK and RPG, and still cried baby with PTSD, imagine war with China, missiles launched hundreds of miles away, bees swarm drones attack.....😅😂🤣

[@JT-sr2pl]

​@@chokwoo5720but that's the sort of war the US army is designed to fight. Not long drawn out insurgencies.

[@chokwoo5720]

​@@JT-sr2plBased on your logic, US is preparing for big war😅😂, so should avoid being drag into small battle, remember Fullujah, 15000 US force with full aerial and space support, against 3000 fighters, still suffered 700 casualties, and 1000+ fighters escaped, while US still suffered from PTSD Fullujah, what a bunch of wimps 🐣🐣🐣😅😂🤣

[@Peter.Joe.39]

​@@chokwoo5720 Isn't this the absurd logic of wanting to win but not wanting to pay the corresponding price?

[@hetaeramancer]

no he's wrong, USSR would've gone to war with USA had the US started colonialism, colonizing africa for example would've been costly and difficult logistically, much less another superpower going to war with you. despite US's immense wealth and power, she could not have afforded that.

[@zztissue8159]

In my opinion Elon didn't actually give any opinions about China. All he stated were facts: - China is an inwardly focused, and historically noninquisitive country - China has more modern infrastructure than much of the US (ie. high speed rail) - China has committed to reunite with Taiwan (ideally peacefully or through force if necessary) - Taiwan/Formosa is considered an internal issue to China, 100% non-negotiable, and that they have made this clear for decades. Basically, I don't see how anyone can claim he's biased, as he hasn't provided any opinions.

[@jared1750]

Sadly, the statements only lead to more questions. Taiwan will be resolved some day because China will not allow it to fall outside their realm of influence.

[@garymcaleer6112]

Reminds me of Brian Regan's humor: "In 142 A.D., Wei Boyang of China invented gun power. One thing led to another, and in 1945, America dropped two atomic bombs on the sovereign nation of Japan."

[@sleepkeeper42069]

Sovereign nation? Think the small and kind of important part omitted was "evil sadistic empire that raped, killed, pillage, and terrorized most of Asia".

[@mighty-roman]

China did invent gunpowder. But because of their internal fights they didn't get to use/improve it much. Whereas, Britain ruled the world with the same gunpowder.

[@ExplosiveLandmine]

@@mighty-roman it's much more nuanced than that, i'd argue that they had gained the status of being an overseas empire with multiple factors, being lucky in it's battles, having invested in its navy immensely, prioritized colonisation to secure it's resources, having reliable allies and continually improving its military strategy.

[@Gongolongo]

​@@mighty-romanthat's completely wrong. Have you seen the insane gunpowder weaponry from 700-1400? They had MLRS, multi stage rockets, grenades, shotgun spears and etc. They didn't move to bigger rifle because of the way warfare was conducted. China mostly fought nomads where guns were not suitable on each other where armor (iron pagoda armor) and city walls were impervious to guns and cannons (at their core, their walls were stamped dirt making them incredibly strong). In Europe, warfare were stagnant sieges and castle walls really pale in comparison to Chinese walls.

[@imurpapa8120]

@@mighty-roman Gun tech improved over time and it took constant war from neighbors for Brits to be so united and eventually Napoleon for Europe to be united enough to collaborate on dominating the world. So in the past if there was no outside threat humans would forge an inward one, and the definition of outside would change.

[@SicMundus24]

Very fascinating and eye opening interview. Thanks Lex

[@Thawhid]

_🤗_

[@NikolaTeslaIQ200]

If you find this fascinating and eye opening you are either very young or stupid.

[@StudioLu]

Eye opening about Chinese, come on

[@kingiam9271]

This conversation provided no new information smh

[@SicMundus24]

@@kingiam9271 it did

[@budaraivoso]

stop supposing that governments represent the people and these conversation change a lot

[@alamgirslic292]

The Americans claimed that Iraq🇮🇶 had the weapons of mass destruction and invaded it. After bombing it's capital Baghdad for years they just washed their hands by saying sorry and admitted that they were unable to find any such weapons. Millions of people died in the name of war on terror. Counties like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Lebanon were destroyed and unstablized. Yeah, Americans are quite amazing.

[@Joshua-tl6od]

This conversation is way better then the one he had with joe Rogan recently

[@kstokman]

Lexi is slightly more versed on world politics/history 😅

[@HollyQUin-iu4kk]

It was just boring enough to make me tired.

[@HamhocksUnlimited]

These are Jonny come lately slowpokes who just now barely woke up, but instead of admitting they were wrong, they continue acting pompous amd shunning the people who were right all along. Can't stand the pompous act when they did alot to bring in and cause everything they now complain about, they should be profusely apologizing amd taking leads from people like Alex Jones instead they say everything he said 20 yrs ago as if it's brand new amd they're the only ones who thought of it, infuriating

[@marcanderson6034]

This is an appeasement to leftists.

[@questonthomas]

Bc Lex didn't go off topic to talk about bears and DMT

[@georgecatterton3514]

I can listen to these two together every day.

[@Hmez]

And listen to Elon the biggest idiot there is ?

[@onlyiforgive5083]

Elon saying all the blame was put on germany after world war 1 when there was loads of blame to go around and was the seeds to world war 2 is the biggest breath of fresh air iv had in a while

[@tommydennen9563]

Almost everyone agrees on this as far as Ive encountered. I was taught “The Treaty of Versailles” was what triggered the economic ruin of Germany and thus its desire for revenge.

[@MikeyPBR]

@@tommydennen9563 I was taught this in High School like 20 years ago.

[@Skyl3t0n]

@@tommydennen9563 And there comes this one guy who believes he can solve everything, a beacon of hope when people were burning stacks of paper cash cause it was worth less than the heat it provded. So many people were betting on him. Why not bet on him as well, what is there to lose? That was the mindset of the average german. Overwhelming majority was far from being nazis. The communist party was the biggest rival of the NSDAP before Hitler became chancelor

[@sugarcrane5885]

I am a Vietnamese and according to what I learnt at school regarding history, China is extremely inquisitive (at least toward us Vietnamese).

[@MasonPhonesa]

U are right

[@sugarcrane5885]

@@MasonPhonesa heard story from my mate in the VN Army (border guard division), he told me that CN Army regularly harass him and his men. But CN Army and Border Patrol still ask for assistant when CN criminal cross our border. Talk about ridiculousness.

[@adamxycore]

My great grand father at some point during the ending phase of WWII was in a bridge reconstructing platoon and it looked like they were going to become POWs. They had calculated that if they will have moved further south through or around the Alps a bit they could have ended up as american prisoners of war as opposed to russian pows. Fortunately for them the war had ended but they had been on the move out of the occupation zone of the soviet army...

[@BigStar1972]

Well, they had probably committed atrocities in Russia that Americans would have also brutally sought revenge for were it done in our country.

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

It should be remembered that the Germans refused to afford Soviets the Geneva Convention. Russia had signed it but Soviets were technically not signatories at the time, even though they thought it applied to them. So Soviet POWs were executed on the spot, used as forced labour where they were worked to death, or were sent to concentration camps. Thus ~3.5M Soviet soldiers were killed cruelly by the Axis forces, thus indeed you did not want to be captured by the Soviets.

[@davidoconnell3069]

They listened to the propaganda. You probably think Ukraine is winning now

[@trogdortpennypacker6160]

@@tomw6947 I'm aware of allied forces raping soldiers. US forces were known for even raping French women along the way. Soviets statistically were the worst, US were also known to be very bad but not as bad as Soviets, and as a Brit our troops raped but were known to be much better than Soviets or Americans.

[@Valdlex]

@@tomw6947 stop lying. America, by the way, is still occupying its vassals and has hooked the whole world on its dollar as a drug...

[@duinay3]

the US after WW2 was not yet completely consumed by the military industrial complex - and as time passed they have been increasingly involved in wars all over the world

[@michaelh13]

The US was compromised by that complex well before ww2, just look at Smedley Butler

[@Lootcifer96]

involved...

[@ruiqianren9405]

Lex and Rogan should both take a detailed trip to China so they can better understand the subject matter

[@BatuSmoka808]

I agree. Joe only spews negative rhetoric about China. I guarantee his mind would be blown if he actually went there and saw things for himself. The future is in China. And I'm American saying that.

[@Roberto-de8xv]

China has never done anytning to you or me. Our leaders have sold out the labor force to China & now want a war with them which is hilarious.

[@EffectiveMuscle]

Elon has spent a LOT of time in China and with their leadership. He just talked at length about it 🤨

[@Peepleportaits]

Rogan for sure, Rogan is a lost midget with no sense of the world.

[@ricetea1]

And become victim of hostage diplomacy.

[@xPirus26]

Thanks for posting these great clips about important topics. ❤🙏

[@wilg9400]

When both sides realize there won’t be a winner from the war, then there won’t be a war, at least not a hot one.

[@erictschroeder1064]

What if its a win on both sides, hot or cold?

[@wilg9400]

@@erictschroeder1064 then that’s peace.

[@docf3605]

Depends on what it takes for both sides to realize there will be no winner.

[@Albert_Einstein_not]

Not true, throughout history people have been prosecuting wars despite or regardless of their perceived ability to win or lose it.

[@kindcanadian5825]

so wrong. You probably believe the typical dogma that nuclear war will wipe out humanity as well 😂

[@Moon-lt1dl]

“Hardly a battle I haven’t read about” 🤣🤣🤣

[@LWRC]

Homeboy Elon is talking about how China stole his battery car technology and are now beating him at his own game in China!!😂😂🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍 Now, that's a real battle!!!!

[@tabansteintv]

It didn’t strike me that Elon understands much about how geo politics changed after WW2. The US is inquisitive by imposing its economic system on world resource trading and its military alliances

[@richardacevedo280]

Elon Said: The United States has been benevolent. That is, of not taking all over the World. The question is: What side would one like to be captured as a POW, the commie side or the American side. There are things that can be axiomatically settled. People just tend to ingore the plain intrinsic value of the elements being weighed and considered.

[@joejudy1]

Surprised Elon said US was generous when help rebuilding Europe and Japan! This wasn’t kindness this was investment, big difference.

[@motofishinph4138]

Its called double edge sword!

[@millabasset1710]

Japan suffered more humiliation after WW2 than Germany in my opinion. The US was quick to forgive Germany because they were white people, the Japanese were viewed as lesser.

[@akarki3007]

I listen to Lex and Elon as my daily feed, enriches my brain vs mainstream

[@mrbonanza2606]

keep in mind just being against the mainstream does not mean correct. Elon has not shown to be the genius he portrays himself as. Yea the mainstream has issues, but being against it just to be against it is in itself unwise.

[@keviniverson2835]

That last little bit was precious

[@stevencole7331]

Elon has to walk the tightrope of 2 different worlds . He can only give praise in one world the other he is allowed to be confrontational .

[@rbb.828]

💯 spot on

[@Aldarion65]

so he is a coward in one world and honest in another? and his talk about the infrastructure of China is odd being that in the past decade they have had so many problems with recent buildings, dams and railways, falling apart within a couple years of construction and killing hundred or even thousands of its residents due to the corruption of government

[@kingiam9271]

Exactly. If he talks negatively about China, his money goes 📉

[@Anton-tf9iw]

That is THE huge hammer above Elon's head. He can't speak freely so don't kid yourselves.

[@solotraveller888]

@@kingiam9271 I live in London but then went to Shanghai and Chongqing and was shocked and impressed by their infrastructure and driverless taxi. After that,I can personally say that NYC,London and LA are just some backwater and medieval cities in comparison!!

[@KevinXu-mg5sd]

Elon Musk read up on Chinese history I see. He really does care about the truth. He gets Chinese culture and people. I say this as someone who heavily studies geopolitics. China was number one for over 2000 years and invaded 0 countries outside its borders. Then they got colonized by western countries and Japan for 150 years. Now they're back as number one in economics, technology and military defense, with soon to be number one in all aspects. Meanwhile USA has only been number one for 70 years, after WW2. Which they nonstop invaded, imperialised and bombed majority of the human world in the marketing scheme of Democracy, human rights and freedoms.

[@pengzhang5081]

很抱歉 没有殖民过 只是占领了一段时间 大陆这边占领了一段 但是台湾省和香港被占领的时间比较长

[@pengzhang5081]

@adolft_official印度🇮🇳不是一个国家 是 英国殖民主义统治下强行组成的国家 因此 很多都不是印度领土 印度 🇮🇳也不可能 有所表现在历史舞台

[@kenlewis2253]

He’s got an awesome memory. He must remember everything he reads and hears. Imagine the power of that!

[@TommyBlanton]

I can't even remember the name of the movie I'm trying to explain to someone because I enjoyed it! LOL. I'm like an ape... I can't remember the movie, or the actors' names, or the plot... but I really enjoyed it and you should check it out!

[@Sammasambuddha]

It can be annoying. Especially when everyone who knows you have a photographic memory keeps asking you questions like you're Siri or something. 🤨

[@johnboy6594]

me too@@TommyBlanton

[@nimmha6708]

now imagine that while being stoned af all day ... where am I btw? @@TommyBlanton

[@gh4707]

The speech impediment is very strange. His r’s in some sentences are totally sharp and normal and then randomly with the repeating the same words and also when they are the last letter in a sentence he pronounces it as a w. It resembles a 5/6 year old child, but coming from grown man who is a genius

[@ChristopherGreenwell]

Glad I subscribed. These are great.

[@Sennrsup]

China devalued to a point where they would have a clear and unassailable advantage over the USD, then proceeded to pick off industry after industry, to the point where the US now has a total dependence on China for most of the basic items needed for Medical, Industrial and Consumer consumption. Meanwhile, our politicians still dither, as they have for the last 30 plus years.

[@gregh7457]

if you haven't noticed it, there is a massive shift out of china. we are setting up shop in more friendly countries

[@IpSyCo]

Except this is a completely untrue assessment. The U.S. is self reliant in terms of energy, food, and water. Our largest trading partners are Mexico and Canada now not China and the majority of goods we receive from China are cheap consumer goods and electronics. We’re also seeing the largest investment into U.S. factories since WW2 and that’s no exaggeration.

[@RonSkeez01]

Massive shift toward Vietnam, Mexico in terms of manufacturing.

[@nsbm159]

Imagine if China blocked US companies. How expensive would an iPhone be if it was made in the US 💀

[@IpSyCo]

@@nsbm159 They make them in India now

[@Rizzbulla]

With no politics involved, strictly survival mode, America would dog walk every Country on Earth.

[@krissroxxy]

I mean. I don't know. Dude is super intelligent and smart, no doubt. But a) why are we asking a rich entrepreneur about war with China and b) why do we think he understands China? Ok, he does business there, probably knows how to do business with them. But that's it. As someone who is a sinologist, lived and worked in China and Taiwan - what the hell? Dude read a couple of things about Chinese history and history in general and now just keeps saying those as an answer to any question. I am puzzled.

[@dunzhen]

Sadly enough, relative to other Westerners who speak on China, he's an unparalleled pundit expert genius. In reality he's got a pretty poor understanding of other countries. I other takes of his, they're not good. But America is the misinformation capital of the world, you can't expect him to be great

[@walterziegleder2237]

So....and i grew up in bavaria in the 70s and 80s and usa were always a bright star..and they will stay if wisdom takes over...for me as german the liberty lady is the greatest star....and the flame of freedom you brought to us isn't forgotten...

[@JoseTheRover]

Say what you want, but you cannot pay too close attention to what Elon says about China due to his involvement with the country. If he were to say anything negative publicly about China, he would get punished for it.

[@tannhaeuserx464]

Germany did not brutalize W. Europe the way it brutalized USSR. That was one reason Germans preferred to surrender to the West.

[@genxchas]

Elon is like a history teacher without trying

[@616CC]

I’m from Britain but when he talks about how America could have taken over the world and he’s right. You didn’t and you did rebuild it def fills me with pride it can’t be forgotten 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 ✊

[@genxchas]

@@616CC agreed & now it's being orchestrated INVADED what gov forgets is 🇺🇲 has the most guns and ammo known to man the current administration are Marxist their enemy - the American people! We are ready 💯

[@Hmez]

Nah is doesn't know nothing tbh, once you do your own research you will find out

[@Player-gx1eo]

​@@616CC He is not right. First of USA might not took any land, but for sure they installed their control almost everywhere. Made most of Europe their puppets. Second i would not call hia example quite fair. Ofc if you are nazi in ww2 you wouldn't want the russians to get you because Russia was the biggest enemy. USA almost didn't take any damage, GB also isn't comparable to Russia. Russia took 20 times more casualties than this 3 combined.

[@Player-gx1eo]

​@@616CC And they only rebuild part that they know for damn sure they will have control over it for a long time. You have no idea even till this day they are still telling the governmants what to do and what not to, especially the smallest countries can't do anything without US permission

[@alexlawcb]

He really understands China.

[@johnsmith-cw3wo]

You suck off someone enough, you start to really understand him.

[@rhymeswithteeth]

Maybe, but he didn't answer Lex's question. It was quite a dance he did.

[@clos397]

China owns him

[@MasonPhonesa]

Indeed

[@davidkelly9833]

The "Marshall Plan" was a sheer act of genius!

[@RobertKing-oq4fq]

Hoover did it first after WWI

[@tokesalotta1521]

This is the first time that I've heard Musk sound ignorant and misinformed. However, I think he knows repeating CCP talking points helps his business opportunities in China.

[@Andres-cq3ly]

He’s not wrong, the US is in massive decline

[@SaidThoughts]

Lex looks nervous when he interviews Elon. The twiddling of the pin, the pale worrisome expression on his face while asking, and hearing answers given. I could be wrong, but if this is the case? Don't be nervous talking to Elon. He's just a man who had ideas. I wouldn't mind learning some more of the things he knows to fill in some things I may not know myself or thought to think of knowing more of.

[@sl66ggehrubt]

I was nervous when Elon began saying ww2 wasn't all about the Jews. Some zionists really want the entire ww2 story to revolve around the treatment of prisoners.

[@slimguy94]

My boys voice got shaky as hell when he brought up Taiwan 😂

[@dillianwhyte443]

I don't think China has been trying to avoid war and invading countries. I do recall they tried to invade veitnam after helping them agaisnt US. And they have done some shady shot with India. I like Elon but China is defo a country you should be very careful with.

[@levelazn]

Taiwans aka. Republic of China.

[@zack2804]

@@levelazn Formally recognized by 2 countries.

[@levelazn]

​@@zack2804 yeah vatican and disneyland

[@kristineximeno6739]

China is doing really well developing. West criticism really helps. So US and China really should continue to push each other and work together

[@wei270]

it really does, but US should be prepared, no one can continuously performed badly as the leader and still expect to keep the position.

[@theobserver3753]

Comparing china and the USA in terms of moral standards is laughable. Yeah America has lots of pitfalls but compared to china it’s utopia.

[@sym8246-f5c]

The Spartans did understand the Athenians. The US doesn't understand China and China only understands our monied class.

[@rbb.828]

We definitely have experts that understand China. The problem is our political class.

[@Ateshtesh]

maybe but so far I see there are more chinese people than understand western countries and its culture than western people than understan China.

[@dunzhen]

@@rbb.828 No experts. The US never predicts China correctly because their superiority complexes doesn't allow it

[@levelazn]

more chinese speak english than ameicans speak chinese, so the misunderstanding is from one side

[@nothanks9503]

No sir you know nothing of China until you’ve spent some time in a casino the Chinese know about every kind of person you can meet in a US casino and that’s every type of person on earth

[@The3ART3]

Pretty much spot on. Conspicuous acts of kindness.

[@greghimm2753]

Takeaway from this clip: -China is twice the power of the US. -China has more hardworking people than in the US. -China’s architecture, city designs and technology are far superior than the US. -China’s history and language has been around far longer than the US and English. -There are two giants. US had a good run. Clashing is not avoidable. There will be a war. China will likely win. Get used to that.

[@AsifKhan-hf9zy]

depends. if US was defending mexico against chinese interference, US would win if China is defending taiwan against us interference, china would win

[@justinbusiere7354]

Sounds about right

[@williamding2910]

Good takeaway.

[@8218kelmo]

Increase number of Smart hardworking people, with alot of energy

[@Shirolicious]

Great subject, and good answers from Elon. I do agree with him and I also think that its brave to say these things when he is american, and from his position because he definitely gets some shit from this too. But I do agree with his points on China.

[@tariq9834]

It's hard to get truth without being diverted by political correctness out of Elon, whose in a fragile position due to finances and representation of multiple companies whom value will be directly affected based on what he says. In other words this interview was more about PR for Elon than it was about spreading vital information.

[@gedw99]

I also think he was skin in the game in China. Tesla was the first western company to be allowed self sovereignty in China. No idea how that happened. I don’t think Elon is lying but rather what he omits of obfuscates about China. I am going to China and looking forward to gaining my own point of view. Japan was amazing, but also a very lonely place for a Weaterner when I worked there.

[@wei270]

@@gedw99 the relationship between china and tesla is simple, tesla at the time was the leading ev builder, china wanted to be the leading ev country, so china give tesla more privilege's to operate in china, which greatly benefited china's ev development. it is all about what benefit you can bring and that translate in to bargaining power. i don't understand why you would imply obfuscation.

[@lastcolnew4520]

like Elon said. There's absolutely nothing that the US can do to stop it. At the end of the day, 2 people can do more than 1 person. There are more people in China. If Africa wasn't so divided. we would actually be the one's in charge

[@richardacevedo280]

Never possible. The potential to do such things, as achieving the necessary level of social, economic and industrial development, come from the culture that inculcates a set of values in people. From there comes, industriousness, morality, inquisitiveness, respect and many other factors that form the average person of a country providing the stock that ultimately produces the leaders of a country. In the case of the russi, it could be easily said that if the current leader were deposed, there would be a line of leaders with the same set of values ready to replace him because that is what the society of that country has the propensity to produce. Unfortunately, there is no way to dream up magical solutions.

[@TEST-ct9xf]

@@richardacevedo280 enlightening observation

[@alustin]

You can tell Elon is very careful with his words when describing China from an objective point of view. Because anything positive he says about China could make ppl accuse him as a CCP sympathizer.

[@armandoarratia5979]

Actually, it's really the other way around. China tends to come down hard on anyone who speaks out against them. Since Elon Musk has big business dealings over there, he'd probably want to avoid saying anything that could get him in trouble with the Chinese government. Some examples are NBA, Disney, Jack Ma, even entire countries like Canada or Australia.

[@drzhanga]

@@armandoarratia5979 no, it's both. having lived in US and China for extended periods in life, I'd say the US is equally f-ed up , if not worse. The only difference is that in China it's the government, and in the US, it's the corporations that controls the government. That's why westerners find it easy to point fingers at CCP, and they don't even know who to point fingers at to the US.

[@user-pz3to6ck1o]

@@armandoarratia5979 It is just your imagination.

[@mkyano516]

The insight is eye-opening. and thank you for uploading this clip.

[@jjjyli686]

Elo talking about how U.S didn’t take over the world🤔 yea they didn’t but how about putting U.S corporations in control of a lot of countries natural resources in Africa for example. And in many proxy wars just to get oil/natural gas. The whole war term changed after WW2 to be far more multifaceted

[@Guy22173]

At least some of the things Elon said made sense but you can see he doesn’t want to jeopardize his business relationship with China. He should have down it on his knees. It would have impressed Xi more

[@williss1192]

True, people can say he's for democracy but in the end a businessman, obviously he could only agree with China's narrative.

[@biswaroopmaiti2943]

Henry Ford had very nice things to say about Nazi Germany and Nazism before WWII. He even accepted the Grand Cross of the German Eagle in 1938. So did his personal assistant Ernest G. Liebold. Just saying.

[@kearnseth8980]

U clearly never travel the world 😂 U live in a bubble 😂

[@teacopem]

Good for him 👍

[@SigmaShorts911]

Hitler had a life size portrait of ford in his office

[@freeloader247]

Well, if we gonna cherry pick... Americans were very fond of Afghanistan mujahedeens? Does it make Ronald Reagan an islamits? U catch my drift?

[@AsifKhan-hf9zy]

was nt obama coddling up inside King Saud's large intestine a few years back, and trump was holding one of bonesaw's two x large sized glowing balls just the other day .................. biden is so up netanyahoo's digestive system, all you can see are the soles of his shoes sticking out the back of netanyahoo's pants............. one could go on and on.........

[@Ahkila_Reacts]

I disagree with Elon Musk, because the US has overthrown so many govts in countries all over the world.

[@presterjohn1697]

"We can coup whoever we want" ------ Elon Musk

[@MH-il1lk]

6:45 This proves how great America really is.

[@Ben-jd6mu]

Completely agree

[@creoken8772]

WAS

[@MH-il1lk]

@@creoken8772 What nation took its place?

[@JICKY2.0]

no nation but the globalism @@MH-il1lk

[@pirateradio00]

I have an idea . If these "man made islands " are possible . Why not just build and move the US assets to a near by "man made island " and then allow China to have Taiwan ?

[@will201084]

What about all those buildings that are falling that aint old?

[@Chris-es3wf]

TofuDreg construction is a hallmark of China. A country built on pillars of sand.

[@aj2228]

whataboutism

[@angrydad1907]

What about the 1000+ train derailments in the US every year. How about you fix your problems at home before pointing the finger. It’s like someone beating his wife everyday and bitching about the neighbours grass.

[@paulattaboyatreides6414]

Regarding Musk’s point on who would you rather be a POW to, US or Russia after WW2, the answer is simple, the US. However one must also take into context as to why. The Germans were extremely brutal and vicious to the Soviet population, so by the end of the war there was so much pent up hatred and vengeance for the Germans, that if you’re a POW it was a no brainer to surrender to the western allies to receive better treatment if you had the opportunity.

[@joseph2024]

Yes and no. Germany and Russia always hated one another. Stalin was no saint prior to WW2 either. Regardless of how the Germans treated the Russians Stalin would have still been as brutal as he ever. Just the way he ran things.

[@kevinhaggins9114]

He is a smart man, but not questioning his perspectice. The reason probably why the Russians were more ruthless, cause they got invaded by the germans which was the largest military operation on any country by germany.

[@philipbrister]

A discussion between Musk and Zeihan on this would be interesting.

[@jayline3606]

It wouldn't at all. Zeihan actually knows what he's talking about. Elon Musk is someone who is good at some things, so his little fanboys think he's a super genius at everything. He frequently exposes his ignorance publicly and nobody bats an eye.

[@TheRealIronMan]

​@@jayline3606 says the fanboy of someone's only achievement is being an internet influencer, at least Elon Musk is the CEO of multiple multi-billion dollar international companies.

[@jayline3606]

@@TheRealIronMan Did you know Zeihan is employed by actual institutions and governments for his expertise? No, you didn't. That's why you typed your stupid little ignorant comment anyway, isn't it 😁😁

[@VibeInnovator]

E.Musk: " ...for example how you treat your war prisoners..." Guantanamo Bay: o.O

[@hittman1412]

He was very specifically talking about world war 2.

[@RobertKing-oq4fq]

​@@hittman1412 read up on Okinawa

[@GTFO_0]

True and iraqi and afganis people who were klled by yankes and Americans

[@FloofyMinari]

Terrorists are not war prisoners.

[@angrydad1907]

@@FloofyMinarisimple people use “labels”. Terrorists, freedom fighters, moderate rebels. All the same depending on your perspective or how you want to use them.

[@litewavve]

Now I appreciate a lot more about Musk than a super sharp technologiest and entrepreneur.

[@Hmez]

He is just taking rubbish here, use your own brain

[@piaeichberg]

The argument is flawed - China has more people than the US, hence they win. According to this logic, India would become the the word leader

[@DucaTech]

India has a caste system, and only 37% of the women participate in labour. China's GDP is 6x that of India. Where India's politics is based on populism, China's system of government is based on meritocracy. The ordinary Indian will leave India to move to the US and never comes back, whereas an ordinary Chinese moves to the US but will eventually move back to China to help builds its economy. Some will stay in the US because they got married there and are comfortable, but those are mostly of the older generation. Newer generation see more opportunities back home and will return.

[@piaeichberg]

@@DucaTech - China's system of government is based on meritocracy? China is a dictatorship, which tightly controls its citizens. It has a lot of economic problems, is a third world country and declining aging population. Time will tell but I would not put my money on China - communist authoritarian regimes are never successful in the long run

[@jamesyoung401]

Strang time when a engineer is like a rock star! I'm glad im here to witness it. And thank god for long form interviews.

[@amandawhite9362]

No body can stop what’s coming nor can anyone save us

[@jared1750]

Agreed. I don't mind people raging against the inevitable but there's no chance that it'll change the outcome.

[@aga5109]

Acts of conspicuous kindness, goodness, reconciliation, and healing unimaginable traumas of people are not naive actions. They are the only actions. We try to do it through psychotherapy to stop trauma effects. It WORKS. It's so beautiful to see the effects! Everyone can do the work of good, every day. Starting from the simplest things. Dostoyevsky wrote about it in " The Brothers Karamazov." Maybe you can do a review of this book? That would be great. It is rich in profound insights. Thank you for the podcast & your hard work !

[@zzzzBadBoyzzzz]

Humanity has it's barbarians, showing kindness only emboldens them.

[@aga5109]

​@zzzzBadBoyzzzz Good point! Barbarian side is partly due to traumas, in my opinion & from my experience. It needs healing through psychotherapy work & prayer. Most of all by turning back to God - the Spirit of Truth. People who choose evil, destruction might be damaged beyond "repair"- in rare cases. We need to put boundaries and protect ourselves & the most vulnerable.

[@chrisc6015]

10:17 It's nothing like that. It would be like there was an insurrection in the United States, and the insurrectionists won, and formed a new country called The Peoples Republic of the United States. But Hawaii was able to hold out, and the US government moved to Hawaii and were able to be The United States of America, with their own military, government, money, and everything else that makes up a sovereign country, and it remained this way for the next 74 years and beyond. And 99.9% of the people living on Hawaii did not want to be a part of The People's Republic of the United States. They wanted to remain the USA. Taiwan is their own country and should always remain independent of China, if that is what the people there want, which they do

[@Wbliss]

The point here in regards to Taiwan, is whether the island declares independence unilaterally by the govt. of the day, remains to be seen. However, China has made its position clear with its policy on Taiwan, reunification is much more preferable than outright hostility but it could not be discounted if necessary. Taiwan is as important to China as Hawaii is to the U.S. That status quo would be difficult to change for either side, unless the world ends. Taiwan would need to reassess its relationship with China & the U.S. at the same time whenever a new govt. takes office in the island. A misalignment or even a miscalculation on China ‘s policy for cross straits relations, may prove to be disastrous for the island’s authority & its people.

[@knoxduder]

He loves himself some China… and perhaps CCCP too. He seemed very reserved, deliberate, and cautious with his statements. He did not come off as being genuine or forthright, IMHO.

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

Yea, I sure wouldn't give you my honest opinion of China with a camera in my face and nor would any other sensible person, it's just not worth the trouble. :)

[@knoxduder]

@@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV And unfortunately, that’s a big problem we have to contend with. Regression on a large scale.

[@david50665]

there is only 1 correct answer about china ....any other answer implies the person is suspect

[@dunzhen]

Westerners will never understand China due to the very real and widespread superiority complex we have. Any time you hear something you don't want to you refer back to this new, thinly veiled slur called "CCP bot" or whatever name you have. You don't understand your enemy and you lose.

[@geraldg350]

The Chinese facilitated his giga factories in record time faster than the slow ass Americans and Europeans why on earth would he say anything bad "genuinely " about practically his biggest "business" partner on camera?

[@KopiSusu545]

Fascinating interview from each other. They have broadly perspective

[@kunk9533]

it's insanely disturbing that the underlying suggestion here is that Taiwan should be given to the Chinese. Neither one of them says it and yet that is the continual undercurrent.

[@male19-ye9fg]

If it's not the US, they will return voluntarily

[@CKevni]

Spoken like a true time traveler (or alien)....💪💪💪💪 Hearing musk speak is like listening to very intelligent AI.

[@Viva_la_natura]

He must be an alien because his interpretation of US history is like he was living on another planet or alternative universe. You could ask anyone, an average person vacationing, who has traveled to China in the 21st century this question and get the same simplistic stock answer. It would be interesting to hear Noam Chomsky debate Musk on our post WW2 benevolence. It was all designed to reshape the world in the interest of western capital and to crush the other superpower, communism i.e. 2 million dead in Vietnam and Korea; countless puppet dictators installed and democratically elected governments overthrown in brutal fascistic fashion. What did the Bretton Woods agreement do? The IMF, World Bank, 200 military bases all over the world which allowed us to rule with puppets in the post colonial era; thus stuff is basic; a college kid would know this. We treat our prisoners well? What about Guantanamo bay or cia torture sites all over the world? What about our own prisons? We have been directly and indirectly ruling the world post WW2 and we acquired plenty of territories before that in the Spanish'American war, Mexico etc. Our whole country coast to coast was "acquired". Truthfully I think interviews like these do more harm than good because they reinvent history; You would have to know next to nothing not to ask him a follow up question. I'm not even arguing what we did is right or wrong, but this Musk is completely living in a fantasy world and Lex must be completely ignorant, living in it with him. As far was wanting to be an American POW post WW2 is concerned: if you were a member of the Axis powers aka a n . A z. ---i in Europe, then go with the US, because you'll be resettled in Argentina, Paraguay or Canada. However, Japan got the atomic bomb dropped on ot to show the Soviets we had it.

[@YYmmmYY]

😂😂😂 Elon is a like a vast puddle

[@taran5209]

Elon is a very heavy user coke head

[@samm5961]

For someone who claims to have studied all of military history to say that the US chose to rebuild germany and japan, when we could have just conquered everything instead, is absolutely foolish. Creating a global empire all at once, even with the advantages we had at the end of the war, would not be a walk in the park. Also we rebuilt those counrries and then occupied them and buolt a bunch of military bases in them. It's not like we just shook their hands and left them some shiny new infrastructure for free.

[@SlayerODragon]

@@samm5961it’s better than what 90% of countries would have done

[@Growthunlimited]

There are great differences between WW2 America and the present day America. After WW2, British, and France still controlled many countries as their colony where Soviet is the super power that can balance America might. Therefore, there're many reasons for America to act benevolent to win support from all over the world. However, after Soviet collapse and Europe influences slowly dismantled, America has become a different animal.

[@PerfectSense77]

“The foundation of war is economics” - Elon Musk.

[@mob-kw9hz]

More so industrial output which is something that America has lacked for a long time

[@conceptAIart]

And the foundation of economics is scarcity. Whoever can control the scarcity of resources controls the world, and people will kill each other to control their world.

[@dutchschultz3076]

Great interview 👍

[@mauritsmosterd5691]

60K views in 5 hours, the elite doesn't like something about this video :D. Any guesses?

[@glenh1369]

The question that should have been asked is who would you want to be a prisoner of war with, USA or China.

[@aj2228]

US doesn't take prisoners. how many dead Iraqi citizens? Also, how's Guantanamo this time of year?

[@stateofopportunity1286]

Neither. Both operate torture black sites.

[@c_m00]

@@stateofopportunity1286 In china you have to do much less to get thrown in to one. Comparing that to US soldiers in active warzones torturing high ranking terrorists, seems a bit intentionally dumb. None would be "perfect", but there are at least people that were captured as POW's by the US that are free, and were able to say what happened. Show me anyone that was in a Chinese camp that did the same. I don't think it exists.

[@Scribemo]

@@stateofopportunity1286 I mean, the entire Chinese penal system is a “black site” but sure, false equivalence away.

[@stateofopportunity1286]

@@c_m00 Our leased territory in Cuba is a warzone? Interesting framing. Seems a little bit like you're writing a comic book.

[@swampthing8277]

Now I really feel worried

[@marklelonde6684]

Musks eyes might be dazzled by the buildings in Shanghai and Beijing, but its a facade. Go into the interior, and smaller centers and its 3rd world.

[@AI-ih5or]

中国确实是一个发展中国家😊

[@alfrilysencarnacion2085]

Just like the US?

[@GTFO_0]

😂Lmao?which coubtry side???

[@Heegooat]

That means it has room to grow, move more rural folk to cities and mechanize farms

[@luzhiqing]

中国内陆也比美国好的多，至少哪里没有无家可归者，枪支暴力跟毒品交易，而中国还只是个发展中国家，还有很大的进步空间，让我们瞧瞧美国？作为世界唯一的超级大国，民主世界的领袖，在拜登政府的领导下甚至在基本安全方面远不如发展中国家，这是可耻的，在嘲笑批评别人之前最好先审视好自己

[@johnlucich5026]

IT SCARES ME THAT AS A COLLEGE Graduate I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO EVEN TALK TO ELON MUSK

[@PrometheusPixels]

meaningful discussions can occur between people of different backgrounds and qualifications when approached with curiosity and respect.

[@rcweed4820]

Respect Your self More he's only a human lol

[@serbianwarrior385]

​@@rcweed4820well said

[@MasonPhonesa]

​@rcweed4820 indeed

[@vvaitkev]

this guy should go for President

[@naturalLin]

He’s not born US citizen

[@angelgjr1999]

@@naturalLin Doesn’t matter. Mitt Romney was born in Mexico.

[@iamzid]

he literally can't.

[@bertchen323]

Elon has learned more about China than 99%+ of Westerners! Kudos to him! However, Elon has not studied thoroughly about the Chinese history or the rightful governance of Taiwan from a historical perspectives. China has not been inquisitive for most part of its history because it is composed of 57 groups of distinct cultures and beliefs. China has been entangled in wars internally for most part of its history. However, when it has control of its citizens, the table would turn outward like the Yuan Dynasty, which had conquered portions in both Europe and Africa.

[@burn435353]

The Chinese people are hard working, but they're governed by a vertically integrated authoritarian power structure. They're infrastructure is impressive, but it doesn't generate enough revenue to cover the cost of maintenance, the Chinese economy has been running on bad investments for over 10 years and now that model has reached its limit, add a demographic collapse and Chinas days are numbered.

[@AI-ih5or]

我就是中国人，似乎你的看法过于消极😂

[@bennywan4704]

Are you Gordan?

[@EveryoneWhoUsesThisTV]

Plus, a lot of their infrastructure is falling apart or made from fake parts... they often sell the rebar on the black market instead of installing it, so the concrete isn't reinforced....

[@serenachen9385]

Not in the west dreaming about when China is going to collapse as far as I know the western world is collapsing 😂😂😂😂

[@JackPullen-Paradox]

@@serenachen9385 但你会崩溃

[@wildmareproductions]

Just like with AI...we see it coming too

[@selfdefenceaustraliahandso9855]

Elon's sad and deep thought shows us we will always go back to war.

[@outdoorloser4340]

He's heavily funded by the MIC....

[@maxwella2200]

^good one 😂

[@oskarlarsson3695]

Unless we brake the wheel. Study Bitcoin

[@thomassites4774]

The US decline is structural. Completely redo the public education system (no teacher unions, allow school choice with gov. support). Refocus on support for trade schools (by industry, not the gov.), Stop allowing unfair trade and foreign exchange practices by our competition. Term limits, bar all political contributions by corporations and unions including to PACs. List goes on if we want to prosper.

[@Widdermaker]

I could listen to these guys for hours! Oh wait… I HAVE!!!

[@mandynam7581]

"China and the US are not acquisitive" yes but both seek to influence other nations aggressively via diplomacy, economic deals, arms deals, so yes it is equally if not more destructive, or constructive, in effect.

[@Timo-qb1gf]

Isn't that literally the purpose of foreign relations, politics and trade etc? Living in isolation wouldn't bring you much.

[@yehuihe1825]

Well, both country can nuke any others and take over yet they haven't done so.

[@DK-yz9xk]

He didn’t say US tho 😂. Y’all acquisitive af,

[@danieljong8442]

oh yeah...BRI is the shining example there. Debt trap diplomacy

[@AK-galil]

China aggressive to which country

[@alexanderm2220]

Shying from conflict is also the surest way to a bigger one down the line

[@levelazn]

That’s how losers think

[@clos397]

This is how you become enslaved

[@stephaniegrabreck7379]

His voice is so soothing. I love his voice